This just occured to me right now while replying in the Who's a Liberal thread...and it's a perfect example actually, of my personal views on it and my general pro-First Amendmant beliefs kinda clashing. In a way that's what makes it interesting to debate and think about.


Anyway I'm personally opposed to it, and in fact have never wanted to look at it myself (despite having lots of chances in my teen and now-early adult years, I've turned it down). It just seems trashy and I think it's degrading to women in general, just because it tends to portray them as mere sexual objects. Guys are looking at that stuff only thinking about these young women's bodies for their own pleasure, and forgetting they're also human beings with feelings, not to mention someone's sister, daughter or even mother. We'd think differently about it if one of OUR female relatives or friends did it. I'm sure lots of the girls only do it for money and not for pleasure...and if they do, then THEY'RE trashy too. Which kinda gives the message that it's okay for women to do that, and that enables horndog guys to treat women that way, and the cycle gets worse.

It has far-reaching effects too because when we PURELY think sexually and cut out any romantic or frienship feelings, not only is that limiting in general, but it usually damages personal relationships too. It makes you feel the same way about girlfriends, wives and other women in general. I could never think of any girls like that. Even celebrities or people on tv who I like (that I don't know personally), it was always from knowing stuff about them or liking their personality, etc. I might be attracted to them later, but that's only AFTER I feel like I "know them" first - not literally but you know what I'm saying, lol. ;)



Point being, I think people do have a right to look at porn, but that doesn't mean they should do it. Just because it's legal doesn't mean it's morally right either.

"I do have a cause, though, it is obscenity.  I'm for it."
  - Tom Lehrer, 1965

I've stated my viewpoints on it before. I am against it, mainly due to personal reasons. It's fine and dandy whenever you are able to shut off your yearning for it...but try being in relationships, yes..more than 1...that consist of people being so addicted that they place it before their spouse. Yep..that sucks. And before anyone says anything like, "oh maybe you needed to spice things up..maybe you are just a prude, etc"....I will say that I have never given ANYONE reason to HAVE to turn to that or another human being. I do well..what I do. ;)

Depends on what you mean by "views."
:P

Depends on the type of pornography and if it becomes an addiction or not. There is a lot of kinky porn out there that can be very degrading and/or morally wrong, I don't think ALL porn is immoral necessarily though.

I wouldn't want any woman I cared for to get mixed up in it.

It really depends. Good pornography is when both parties consent and when either party can pull out at anytime. Bad pornography is what I despise: rape, child pornography, or anything else in which there is hurt or no consent by all parties involved.

I don't consider nudity to be pornography. Even if the image/video is for arousal purposes.

It really depends. Good pornography is when both parties consent and when either party can pull out at anytime. Bad pornography is what I despise: rape, child pornography, or anything else in which there is hurt or no consent by all parties involved.

I don't consider nudity to be pornography. Even if the image/video is for arousal purposes.


Yeah, the first part is actually a fair enough point. I don't think there's ANY "good" porn, but at least the first example you described in consentual. As repulsive as I find it, people still have the right to watch or perform in that. The second kind on the other hand, I wouldn't even call porn, it's basically a crime.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWEjvCRPrCo

I actually own about 2 dozen VHS Video Playboy Centerfolds, but honestly, the only two I ever watched were the 'Jenny McCarthy' and 'Victoria Silvstedt' ones.  

Pornography really isn't my thing.  I'd rather have the real thing.  But if anything, alot of pornography movie titles really make me laugh ...


A Clockwork Orgy
First Slut
Bimbo: First Slut Part II
Indiana Bone and the Temple of Poon
Fart Wars Episode 1: Phan Your Anus

;D

Luke's definition of good porn is right on.  And that being the parameter, I have no objection, and believe it is covered by the first amendment.  I've read some interviews with female porn stars who seem to enjoy their work. 

This has been a debate since the beginning of time-and it boils down to the question of "What is porn?" What someone may define as porn, someone else may define as art. Yes, even the most raunchy sex flick someone will consider as art. There was a time when showing a woman's ankle was considered porn. Today, you see women wearing very little and most think nothing of it. So, who is to say what is porn and what is art. And this debates falls within human sexuality. There are a lot of people (usually male but females as well) who are voyeuristic. Is there anything wrong with that? Some may say yes-that is not "normal". However, it seems like that IS normal because you can get sex flicks, magazines and/or anything else you can think of to satisfy your voyeuristic tendencies. I would much rather have someone watching a video of two (or more) consenting adults then having them peek in someone's bedroom without their knowledge. As long as the people in the films, magazines or whatever are consenting adults, I don't have a problem with it.



Cat

I'm in the Tom Lehrer camp...

To clarify, I don't think it should be illegal to view pictures/videos of any legal act (I also think it strange that, this side of the pond anyway, it is legal to have sex at 16 but not see pictures of it for another two years).

This is not to say that I like or approve of the exploitation in the porn industry.. which is not a given: there are plenty of porn stars who are most definitely not exploited (anyone seen Ali G's porn star interviews?) - also there's been a huge explosion in DIY, what with cheap, decent quality cameras, web2 and broadband: it's hard to think of something that consensual as exploitative.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWEjvCRPrCo


I've seen that before.  :D ;D :D ;D

My view is that it's the person's business. I'm perverted and have abit of voyeuristic nature(not enough to be a peeping tom and get arrested though) and kinky nature(although somewhat tame compared to what else I've seen on the net). Fortunately, my willpower is pretty good as well and I've avoided getting an addiction to it.

I own alot of images, most are mainly in the nudity/lingerie/swimwear department.

One thing I will say, which is obvious, is that is not for everybody.

I'm 100% pro-porn (as long as it's legal porn).  I don't have a Dell, but I agree with this guy...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8Q8IyPE2aY

I have a buddy who I guess you would call a porn addict.  He has a reserved table every Friday and Saturday night at a strip club.  Weird part of this is that the strip club is 250 miles away.  Friday night after work he beelines it to his car and hauls azz to the shake shack. 250 miles, geez...  ::)

I've known the guy for 20 years, he's never told me about all this.  I'm told that he usually drops $500 a night at those boobie bars.  :o

I have a buddy who I guess you would call a porn addict.  He has a reserved table every Friday and Saturday night at a strip club.  Weird part of this is that the strip club is 250 miles away.  Friday night after work he beelines it to his car and hauls azz to the shake shack. 250 miles, geez...  ::)

I've known the guy for 20 years, he's never told me about all this.  I'm told that he usually drops $500 a night at those boobie bars.  :o


Well, there are some strip joints where they'll actually...or so I've heard!  So your buddy could be driving 500 miles round trip for a reason. 

My views on pornography .....




You can't have a view on it ... till you've viewed it. At which time, you can take the appropriate action !    :-X




















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Well, there are some strip joints where they'll actually...or so I've heard!  So your buddy could be driving 500 miles round trip for a reason. 


Well a month or so ago he took some coworkers out to see the Cubbies play at Wrigley.  On the way back, they stopped to get dinner and he was visibly agitated because the gang were eating to slowly, he wanted to get to the nooky bar.  The guys who were with him did not really want to see a strip club and asked him if they had a TV there where they could watch a ball game.  He said "I don;t know if there are any TVs there or not" and again was ticked off that these guys were not in on the action.

Anyway, they get to the booby bar and lo & behold, there are like 50 TV's in the place.  :o  My buddy never paid attention to that at all.  One track mind, I guess.

My coworkers said that my buddy retired to the "special room" a couple of times that night.  ::)

So yes, I think my buddy is getting more than a back rub at the joint.  :-\\

I'm in the Tom Lehrer camp...

To clarify, I don't think it should be illegal to view pictures/videos of any legal act (I also think it strange that, this side of the pond anyway, it is legal to have sex at 16 but not see pictures of it for another two years).

I admit yeah, that does seem a little off. They should probably make the minor/adult line at 18 everywhere, that way it would make things like this less confusing. As much as I detest porn, looking at stuff isn't nearly as consequential as actually HAVING sex.


Luke's definition of good porn is right on.  And that being the parameter, I have no objection, and believe it is covered by the first amendment.  I've read some interviews with female porn stars who seem to enjoy their work. 

Well yeah, you could argue the point too that it's self expression. As long as they're 18+ they have a right to do it, just as people have the right to buy it, but that doesn't mean it's a moral or good influence either. And if they enjoy it, what does that say about those women? A life like that doesn't come without consequences...I mean how could you be PROUD of that? It alienates family and friends, and it's not like you can do it when you're 60 or 70.


This has been a debate since the beginning of time-and it boils down to the question of "What is porn?" What someone may define as porn, someone else may define as art. Yes, even the most raunchy sex flick someone will consider as art. There was a time when showing a woman's ankle was considered porn. Today, you see women wearing very little and most think nothing of it. So, who is to say what is porn and what is art. And this debates falls within human sexuality. There are a lot of people (usually male but females as well) who are voyeuristic. Is there anything wrong with that? Some may say yes-that is not "normal". However, it seems like that IS normal because you can get sex flicks, magazines and/or anything else you can think of to satisfy your voyeuristic tendencies. I would much rather have someone watching a video of two (or more) consenting adults then having them peek in someone's bedroom without their knowledge. As long as the people in the films, magazines or whatever are consenting adults, I don't have a problem with it.



Cat


That's true, I mean prostitution is "the world's oldest profession", so no matter what any of us think, it's probably not gonna go away. I also agree that what counted as porn in the 1950s and even '60s certainly wouldn't by today's standards, so that changes too.

Oh yeah, it's certainly normal for just about everyone in the world to think about sex and stuff to an extent...from like age 12 throughout the rest of their lives. I'm not condemning that part 'cause it's human...but I don't think there's a need for hardcore porn either. Then again I guess I was the 1 out of 100 who never really wanted to look at that (I've of course seen sexy stuff for a long time, but never wanted to see explicit stuff). Like I said it just always seemed trashy and non-romantic to me. I've always liked girls as far back as my memory goes lol, but my attractions have always been more peripheral. Or mildly sexy at the most. ;)

Then again most people DO want to see stuff like that, and I admit magazines and videos are probably the easiest and safest way to do so.

I would much rather have someone watching a video of two (or more) consenting adults then having them peek in someone's bedroom without their knowledge. As long as the people in the films, magazines or whatever are consenting adults, I don't have a problem with it.


This is the only reason I would ever say it's "okay", though I still don't approve of porn in general (but don't mind "artistic" nudity).  

(This is not directed towards you btw Cat, just anyone)---I get kind of annoyed when people have a "boys will be boys" attitude about it.  Think about if it was your mother or sister in the pics/videos, really--think about it.  You'd probably want to throw up.  

Instead of thinking about it as "Boys will be boys", it might help you to know that many women enjoy porn too.  I think it's human nature to be interested in sex and that's not a bad a thing. 

And to Quirk, I'm sure you've figured out that a pornography addiction (or any addiction for that matter), has absolutely nothing to do with you or what you are or aren't doing! 

Instead of thinking about it as "Boys will be boys", it might help you to know that many women enjoy porn too.  I think it's human nature to be interested in sex and that's not a bad a thing. 

And to Quirk, I'm sure you've figured out that a pornography addiction (or any addiction for that matter), has absolutely nothing to do with you or what you are or aren't doing! 


that's for sure. :) ;)

I'm 100% pro-porn (as long as it's legal porn).  I don't have a Dell, but I agree with this guy...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8Q8IyPE2aY


I love it when people tell it like it is.  ;D ;D ;D

I love it when people tell it like it is.  ;D ;D ;D
















I just KNEW we had more in common than the 'Al' name ! ..............................  :D

I just KNEW we had more in common than the 'Al' name ! ..............................  :D


Als will be Als.  ;)

 Think about if it was your mother or sister in the pics/videos, really--think about it.  You'd probably want to throw up.  


There is a genre of porn called "gonzo porn"... the big name in gonzo is some guy named "Max Hardcore" and apparently vomiting during sex is part of the "entertainment".  ::)  Who would want to watch that?  8-P

Think about if it was your mother or sister in the pics/videos, really--think about it.  You'd probably want to throw up.  


I don't know...  If I was thinking about my mother or sister while watching porn, I'd probably have some serious issues unrelated to porn in general.

I don't know...  If I was thinking about my mother or sister while watching porn, I'd probably have some serious issues unrelated to porn in general.


I was thinking the same thing, lol.

I think Luke summed it up for me. Pornography can, in some ways, enhance a couple's sex life if approached with maturity in the right manner, for a single person it's just a means to an end.

I'm sure there is such a thing as 'porn addiction' but I believe that is something the person has to address within themselves and therefore may need to seek help for it as there may be other factors involved.

Another point is that these women get paid well for being porn stars. I'm sure if they didn't want to do it they wouldn't. There are women that say; 'I went into porn so I could get into college' or something like that but they still made a choice to get involved.

There is a genre of porn called "gonzo porn"... the big name in gonzo is some guy named "Max Hardcore" and apparently vomiting during sex is part of the "entertainment".   ::)  Who would want to watch that?  8-P


Let's make the differentiation clear about 'gonzo porn' and vomiting. Gonzo porn is merely the style of the film:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gonzo_pornography

There may be extreme versions of gonzo pornography out there. I have never watched a person vomit while having sex and don't particularly consider that entertainment - it's pretty sick . . . literally, lol.

Max Hardcore has been taken to court because he portrays women over the age of 18 to look like girls under the age of consent. I don't agree with that because, in my eyes, if a person is fantasing that a girl is younger than she is then surely the desire for a girl under the age of consent is evident.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Hardcore

Let's make the differentiation clear about 'gonzo porn' and vomiting. Gonzo porn is merely the style of the film:


Thankfully it wasn't sex with a Muppet  :o  ;)

http://re3.yt-thm-a01.yimg.com/image/25/f11/195938642

If it WERE with this Muppet, it might induce vomiting on my part, because I love the Muppets...I just don't LOVE the Muppets.  ;) ;D

Instead of thinking about it as "Boys will be boys", it might help you to know that many women enjoy porn too.  I think it's human nature to be interested in sex and that's not a bad a thing. 

And to Quirk, I'm sure you've figured out that a pornography addiction (or any addiction for that matter), has absolutely nothing to do with you or what you are or aren't doing! 


Which is why there is now porn directed towards women directed and produced by women.  Some of it is just as hardcore as anything a guy can come up with. 

Instead of thinking about it as "Boys will be boys", it might help you to know that many women enjoy porn too.  I think it's human nature to be interested in sex and that's not a bad a thing. 

And to Quirk, I'm sure you've figured out that a pornography addiction (or any addiction for that matter), has absolutely nothing to do with you or what you are or aren't doing! 


Hmmm, I see what you're saying and I half agree. I guess all I'm wondering is how does it necesarilly go right from casually thinking about sex or the opposite gender (which is totally normal) to watching porn/seeing naked women? I guess it's just that I've always done the former without wanting to do the latter. ;)

I know I'm probably outnumbered on that though, especially considering I'm a straight guy.


This is the only reason I would ever say it's "okay", though I still don't approve of porn in general (but don't mind "artistic" nudity).  

(This is not directed towards you btw Cat, just anyone)---I get kind of annoyed when people have a "boys will be boys" attitude about it.  Think about if it was your mother or sister in the pics/videos, really--think about it.  You'd probably want to throw up.  

Even though I agree with you on alot of things, I'll never agree any more than on this. :) I've always tried to make both those points - just because you're a guy doesn't mean it's some rite of passage or necesitty. Just because it might "not hurt" (I know not every male on Earth is a pig), doesn't mean it's GOOD either. Yeah it totally would change anyone's mind if it was a loved one doing it.

Yeah, I think stuff like modeling is okay. Even sexy pictures are fine, but it's like why do something that's TOTALLY for the purpose of tons of people looking at it sexually? I would ask any of the women who do that, how can you not feel degraded?

There is a genre of porn called "gonzo porn"... the big name in gonzo is some guy named "Max Hardcore" and apparently vomiting during sex is part of the "entertainment".  ::)  Who would want to watch that?  8-P


From what I've heard that guy is a complete jerk on and off camera.  He does it for shock value he has no interest in any sort of sexual fantasy.  You're right though seeing some ugly jerk puking really doesn't do it for most people.

Some of it is just as hardcore as anything a guy can come up with. 


::)

Hmpph !  >:(    If only THIS guy <  was a 'director'  !    :-X














:D

This is the only reason I would ever say it's "okay", though I still don't approve of porn in general (but don't mind "artistic" nudity). 

(This is not directed towards you btw Cat, just anyone)---I get kind of annoyed when people have a "boys will be boys" attitude about it.  Think about if it was your mother or sister in the pics/videos, really--think about it.  You'd probably want to throw up. 


Define "artistic" nudity.  To someone who's done hardcore porn artistic nudity may simply be downgrading an image to mainstream Penthouse Magazine.

Also I had a friend back in Junior High who's mother was a stripper and did some photos.  It didn't bother my friend one bit.  In fact she was quite proud that her Mom was attractive.

Thankfully it wasn't sex with a Muppet  :o  ;)

http://re3.yt-thm-a01.yimg.com/image/25/f11/195938642

If it WERE with this Muppet, it might induce vomiting on my part, because I love the Muppets...I just don't LOVE the Muppets.  ;) ;D


http://img76.imageshack.us/img76/695/630pxrule34ux9.jpg

If you doubt Rule 34, turn SafeSearch off and do a Google Image Search on "muppet" and "sex".  Last week's proof was a guy who had sex with cars (yes, "sex" as in "inserted his penis into the exhaust pipe of", and "cars" as in "automobiles") in the 'blogs last week.

The best Rule 34 I've ever seen was a guy whose fetish was dragons (as in "fire-breathing reptilian mythical things") having sex with cars (as previously defined), and I'm pretty sure it wasn't the same guy who made the rounds last week.

"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, then are dreamt of in your philoso-whoa, dude, WTF!?"
  - With apologies to Shakespeare

http://img76.imageshack.us/img76/695/630pxrule34ux9.jpg

If you doubt Rule 34, turn SafeSearch off and do a Google Image Search on "muppet" and "sex".  Last week's proof was a guy who had sex with cars (yes, "sex" as in "inserted his penis into the exhaust pipe of", and "cars" as in "automobiles") in the 'blogs last week.

The best Rule 34 I've ever seen was a guy whose fetish was dragons (as in "fire-breathing reptilian mythical things") having sex with cars (as previously defined), and I'm pretty sure it wasn't the same guy who made the rounds last week.

"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, then are dreamt of in your philoso-whoa, dude, WTF!?"
  - With apologies to Shakespeare


Did you catch the story about the fifty something year old woman who claimed to be married the to Berlin Wall? She also had sex with it. Google "Woman and Berlin Wall".

Thankfully it wasn't sex with a Muppet   :o  ;)

http://re3.yt-thm-a01.yimg.com/image/25/f11/195938642

If it WERE with this Muppet, it might induce vomiting on my part, because I love the Muppets...I just don't LOVE the Muppets.  ;) ;D


Ha ha, karma there . . .  ;D

http://img76.imageshack.us/img76/695/630pxrule34ux9.jpg

If you doubt Rule 34, turn SafeSearch off and do a Google Image Search on "muppet" and "sex".  Last week's proof was a guy who had sex with cars (yes, "sex" as in "inserted his penis into the exhaust pipe of", and "cars" as in "automobiles") in the 'blogs last week.

The best Rule 34 I've ever seen was a guy whose fetish was dragons (as in "fire-breathing reptilian mythical things") having sex with cars (as previously defined), and I'm pretty sure it wasn't the same guy who made the rounds last week.

"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, then are dreamt of in your philoso-whoa, dude, WTF!?"
  - With apologies to Shakespeare


Funny, I did see some Calvin and Hobbes porn on the net before.(On one of the chan sites) :P :D

Define "artistic" nudity.  To someone who's done hardcore porn artistic nudity may simply be downgrading an image to mainstream Penthouse Magazine.

Also I had a friend back in Junior High who's mother was a stripper and did some photos.  It didn't bother my friend one bit.  In fact she was quite proud that her Mom was attractive.


Pictures that show skin but don't really show everything, and also do it in a manner that's not meant to be arousing (although I know this can be different for a lot of people).  But I would give the Miley Cyrus in Vanity Fair pic as an example.

Good for your friend but I hope that didn't teach her that women are just pieces of meat that men can access whenever they want.


Even though I agree with you on alot of things, I'll never agree any more than on this. :) I've always tried to make both those points - just because you're a guy doesn't mean it's some rite of passage or necesitty. Just because it might "not hurt" (I know not every male on Earth is a pig), doesn't mean it's GOOD either. Yeah it totally would change anyone's mind if it was a loved one doing it.

Yeah, I think stuff like modeling is okay. Even sexy pictures are fine, but it's like why do something that's TOTALLY for the purpose of tons of people looking at it sexually? I would ask any of the women who do that, how can you not feel degraded?


EXACTLY the point I'm trying to get across, Karma to you.  :)

Did you catch the story about the fifty something year old woman who claimed to be married the to Berlin Wall? She also had sex with it. Google "Woman and Berlin Wall".


Win!  Like the rule says:  No exceptions.

(I've seen your namesake drawn naughtily, but Who Framed Roger Rabbit had a pretty big head start.  Which reminds me, the funniest animation laugh I've had in recent memory was when someone in the office was looking for car insurance and accidentally discovered Rule 34 on Erin the Esurance girl.)

Pictures that show skin but don't really show everything, and also do it in a manner that's not meant to be arousing (although I know this can be different for a lot of people).  But I would give the Miley Cyrus in Vanity Fair pic as an example.

Good for your friend but I hope that didn't teach her that women are just pieces of meat that men can access whenever they want.

EXACTLY the point I'm trying to get across, Karma to you.  :)


Oh, you mean like pictures of Betty Grable that type?  Coincidentally there were a few airplanes during WW2 with her figure painted on it.

Neh, my friend is a feminist and an accountant.  However she is the most nonjudgmental person you'll ever meet.

Yeah, I think stuff like modeling is okay. Even sexy pictures are fine, but it's like why do something that's TOTALLY for the purpose of tons of people looking at it sexually? I would ask any of the women who do that, how can you not feel degraded?

I think that may be your projection onto them: if a woman (or a man, for that matter) was filmed doing something they enjoyed doing in a manner that would cause anyone watching to think "gee, I wish I was with her(or him)".. why on earth should they feel degraded?

Oh, you mean like pictures of Betty Grable that type?  Coincidentally there were a few airplanes during WW2 with her figure painted on it.


Yeah that's a good example too.

my view on pornography? depends on how big a hat the guy sitting in front of me in the theater is wearing.

my view on pornography? depends on how big a hat the guy sitting in front of me in the theater is wearing.


Private booth! Dur!

Speaking of porn, we visited the porn shop in Salinas the other night. They've cleaned it up quite a bit since the last time I was there (10 years ago).

my view on pornography? depends on how big a hat the guy sitting in front of me in the theater is wearing.


That might not be a hat...

That might not be a hat...

Is that a 10-gallon hat on your lap, or are you just enjoying the flick?
8-P

I only went to a porno theater once.  It was a straight theater, but that didn't mean the patrons were.  I was 18, fresh meat.  So there was this horrible ugly disgusting pervert sitting there besides me, uh, beside me.  I'll give you three guesses as to what he started doing to himself.  I bolted.  The dude followed me, prolly hoping I was going to the latrine.  I was blinking in the sunshine on Washington Street and saying to myself, "Well, now I know what it's like at the Pilgrim!"
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That was the notorious Boston "Combat Zone," adjacent to Chinatown; the adult businesses started dying out in the '80s because of home video and skyrocketing real estate prices.

i love porn that isn't kinky

my view on pornography? depends on how big a hat the guy sitting in front of me in the theater is wearing.


Hey, at least he wasn't sitting BEHIND you.  :o :o :o

my view on pornography? depends on how big a hat the guy sitting in front of me in the theater is wearing.


Ok, who goes to theaters to watch porn anymore? You have your choice between VCRs and DVDs. I'm sure PeeWee Herman wished that he just stayed home and watched it on his VCR.



Cat

Ok, who goes to theaters to watch porn anymore? You have your choice between VCRs and DVDs.


I would imagine that people who want to be part of "audience participation" are the ones who go to the peep shows.

Ok, who goes to theaters to watch porn anymore? You have your choice between VCRs and DVDs. I'm sure PeeWee Herman wished that he just stayed home and watched it on his VCR.



Cat


Quite a few people still do around here. I know that when we go to the porn store in Monterey, the theater is usually hopping. And this isn't late at night, either.

Quite a few people still do around here. I know that when we go to the porn store in Monterey, the theater is usually hopping. And this isn't late at night, either.

What's it called "Monterey Jacks"?
:P

What's it called "Monterey Jacks"?
:P


;D

Nah, it's actually called "Nu-Art". :P

;D

Nah, it's actually called "Nu-Art". :P

Boston used to have a gay theater, the Art Cinemas I & II. 
(Why, this ain't no Fellini picture!)
:D

My hubby told me a story once of his one and only trip to a porn theater in Pittsburgh when he was a young teenager.  He and his friend had fake I.D.s or they were let in (cause nobody cared back in the 70s)...  As luck would have it, it happened to be gay day at the theater where they play gay porn (usually it was straight porn). they hightailed it out of there after they found out what kind of film it was gonna be.  ;D

My one and only trip to a straight strip club was on the night of my first husband and I's wedding reception.  His friends came down from Pittsburgh to the wedding reception (I lived in a very rural area) about an hour from there.  We had already been married about 3 months by then (we had eloped.)  Anyways, his friends wanted to give him a bachelor party and I had heard about their tradition for those.  That was not gonna happen if I'm around.  ;D  So I went along with them.  I watched the Pirates baseball game on a t.v. at the bar while they guys all ogled the dancing ladies.  I watched the game at least until another girl started dancing on the bar (blocking my view!.)  ;D  I don't recall if it was a full nudie bar or not, I'm guessing not.  I really didn't look around too much.  ;D  Although I was impressed when they flipped upside down on the pole. 

What's it called "Monterey Jacks"?
:P

Cheesy... but funny :)

About 10+ years ago in Brattleboro, VT, one of the local theatres burnt down. They had an article in the local paper where people told their memories of the theatre. The one that stuck out in my mind (and cracked me up when I read it) was about the projectionist when they were showing porn flicks. He created a loop in the film so it would just play over and over and over again. He went outside while this maybe a 5-10 minute segment was being played (that went on for probably about a half hour or so) and this one old guy came out and the projectionist heard him saying, "Man, that guy has a lot of stamina." I guess the guy didn't realize that he was watching the same scene over and over again.  :D ;D ;D ;D



Cat

About 10+ years ago in Brattleboro, VT, one of the local theatres burnt down. They had an article in the local paper where people told their memories of the theatre. The one that stuck out in my mind (and cracked me up when I read it) was about the projectionist when they were showing porn flicks. He created a loop in the film so it would just play over and over and over again. He went outside while this maybe a 5-10 minute segment was being played (that went on for probably about a half hour or so) and this one old guy came out and the projectionist heard him saying, "Man, that guy has a lot of stamina." I guess the guy didn't realize that he was watching the same scene over and over again.  :D ;D ;D ;D



Cat



they do that with most porn movies...you can tell....the same exact "motions" are shown over and over again. Lame.

they do that with most porn movies...you can tell....the same exact "motions" are shown over and over again. Lame.



That's what makes the story so funny because the guy didn't realize that it was the same "motions" being shown over and over again.



Cat

That's what makes the story so funny because the guy didn't realize that it was the same "motions" being shown over and over again.



Cat
which means the old man had no technique  :D ;D

I like oranginas.

I like oranginas.



an orange vagina? ??? :D

an orange vagina? ??? :D





















http://www.spock.com/i/mZ1lA8SR/O.-J.-Simpson.jpg

"You RANG ? "





http://www.spock.com/i/mZ1lA8SR/O.-J.-Simpson.jpg
Hey ... if it's 'juice' you want .... I'm THE man !  >:(








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;D

http://www.spock.com/i/mZ1lA8SR/O.-J.-Simpson.jpg

"You RANG ? "

http://www.spock.com/i/mZ1lA8SR/O.-J.-Simpson.jpg
Hey ... if it's 'juice' you want .... I'm THE man !   >:(

:D

;D


OJ would get the juice by stabbing the oranges, lol.

Pornography is fantasy. And not all porn is equal but as long as everyone involved is of age and willing then is only a matter of taste,isn't it?
I might not like money shots,atm or dp but i sure can find porn that works for me, something's out there for everyone. I don't see much difference between looking at sexy photos,reading erotica or watching porn movies, in my opinion the reason we do it is the same…we want to fantasize,to relish in these intense sexual scenarios that we can choose to bring into our own sex life or not. So i don't think pornography is wrong at all as it can help us get in tune with what we like sexually and allows us to keep up the hotness during our dry spells :P

And there's something to be said about the role of women in porn because as much as it true that a lot of porn treats women as toys it's also true that this is one of the only industries where women are really on top. And if there's such a big market for the violence against women porn i believe that has more to do with the way both genders feel so inadequate when it comes to sex,porn is not the reason behind it but a consequence of how our society went from women who were treated like properties to women who destroy men's confidence just because they can.

My only worry when it comes to porn is that by watching some of the porn that exists young people can mix up the real thing with what they see on screen but i feel that before you start your sex life that always happens anyway. The other thing is the addiction,too much of anything can harm you so if you're the type of person who gets addicted easily porn can be problematic,if you only engage in the fantasy world instead of being close to the people around you. But that's also true for everything else we do with our time.

an orange vagina? ??? :D


Tangy.

Tangy.


mmm boy! ;)

Pornography is fantasy. And not all porn is equal but as long as everyone involved is of age and willing then is only a matter of taste,isn't it?
I might not like money shots,atm or dp but i sure can find porn that works for me, something's out there for everyone. I don't see much difference between looking at sexy photos,reading erotica or watching porn movies, in my opinion the reason we do it is the same…we want to fantasize,to relish in these intense sexual scenarios that we can choose to bring into our own sex life or not. So i don't think pornography is wrong at all as it can help us get in tune with what we like sexually and allows us to keep up the hotness during our dry spells :P

And there's something to be said about the role of women in porn because as much as it true that a lot of porn treats women as toys it's also true that this is one of the only industries where women are really on top. And if there's such a big market for the violence against women porn i believe that has more to do with the way both genders feel so inadequate when it comes to sex,porn is not the reason behind it but a consequence of how our society went from women who were treated like properties to women who destroy men's confidence just because they can.

My only worry when it comes to porn is that by watching some of the porn that exists young people can mix up the real thing with what they see on screen but i feel that before you start your sex life that always happens anyway. The other thing is the addiction,too much of anything can harm you so if you're the type of person who gets addicted easily porn can be problematic,if you only engage in the fantasy world instead of being close to the people around you. But that's also true for everything else we do with our time.



Couldn't have said it better myself.    :)

Couldn't have said it better myself.    :)


PORN LOVERS UNITE!!!  ;)

What kind of respectable person could really call themselves a "porn lover"?

Really, I'm not being smart or anything, I'm seriously just curious as to why. How could anyone possibly get enjoyment out of something that (1) tends to destroy or at least be harmful to personal relationships; and (2) degrades women in general by treating them as objects? And if the girls actually LIKE doing it, then they're equally trashy as the fans and I feel sorry for them. By doing it and being okay with (or even encouraging) it, they're just enabling perverts to keep consuming that, which is why there's a whole huge industry for it in the first place.

Like I said before, just because maybe it "doesn't hurt" some people, doesn't make it GOOD either.

Name ONE positive influence it has.

PORN LOVERS UNITE!!!  ;)


Celebrate your inner ero-sennin. ;D

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What kind of respectable person could really call themselves a "porn lover"?

Really, I'm not being smart or anything, I'm seriously just curious as to why. How could anyone possibly get enjoyment out of something that (1) tends to destroy or at least be harmful to personal relationships; and (2) degrades women in general by treating them as objects? And if the girls actually LIKE doing it, then they're equally trashy as the fans and I feel sorry for them. By doing it and being okay with (or even encouraging) it, they're just enabling perverts to keep consuming that, which is why there's a whole huge industry for it in the first place.

Like I said before, just because maybe it "doesn't hurt" some people, doesn't make it GOOD either.

Name ONE positive influence it has.


First of all not all porn is degrading to women that is so passe  Have you seen how much S&M stuff is out there where the dominatrix (female) is beating the crap out of a man.  What about gay porn, not exactly geared towards degrading women.  As for your insistence that the girls don't like doing it.  A big part of porn is computer generated, therefore the poor computer is being degraded.  I like how you throw everyone from a 19 year old who's read a playboy magazine or two and some guy spending 8 hours a day in an adult book store together.

What kind of respectable person could really call themselves a "porn lover"?

Really, I'm not being smart or anything, I'm seriously just curious as to why. How could anyone possibly get enjoyment out of something that (1) tends to destroy or at least be harmful to personal relationships; and (2) degrades women in general by treating them as objects? And if the girls actually LIKE doing it, then they're equally trashy as the fans and I feel sorry for them. By doing it and being okay with (or even encouraging) it, they're just enabling perverts to keep consuming that, which is why there's a whole huge industry for it in the first place.

Like I said before, just because maybe it "doesn't hurt" some people, doesn't make it GOOD either.

Name ONE positive influence it has.


I'm not respectable now? Watch your mouth,boy >:(
I've explained why porn is not the monster you paint it to be and for someone who claims never to have watched it you sure have a lot of inputs,porn is people having sex nothing more nothing less if you have a problem with watching it...then don't but from your posts i get your biggest problem is with sex itself,again don't want to do it? Don't! Just don't try to sell your living in a bubble mentality to the rest of us. Your vision of what's respectable and morally right is laughable to me ::)

What kind of respectable person could really call themselves a "porn lover"?

Me. I love porn, and I won't deny it. When I come to California, I make it a habit to hit the porn shops with my male friend, MY SISTER, her gay friend, and if he's around, my husband. We all love porn, and I hate to break it to you, but we're all respectable, too.

BTW, your assumption is pretty rude.

Name ONE positive influence it has.

Let's see, it taught me a lot of things. It taught my husband a lot of things. When you incorporate those things into an already loving marriage, you get a very happy and very positive marriage.

What kind of respectable person could really call themselves a "porn lover"?

Really, I'm not being smart or anything, I'm seriously just curious as to why. How could anyone possibly get enjoyment out of something that (1) tends to destroy or at least be harmful to personal relationships; and (2) degrades women in general by treating them as objects? And if the girls actually LIKE doing it, then they're equally trashy as the fans and I feel sorry for them. By doing it and being okay with (or even encouraging) it, they're just enabling perverts to keep consuming that, which is why there's a whole huge industry for it in the first place.

Like I said before, just because maybe it "doesn't hurt" some people, doesn't make it GOOD either.

Name ONE positive influence it has.


Prohibitionists made cogent cases against alcohol causing moral depravity, social decay, and insult upon public health.  
However, used by adults in moderation, porn, like alcohol is not harmful.

Pornography can and does hurt the following:
Minors who view it or participate in it.
Adults who are coerced into participating in it or viewing it.
Adults who participate in it out of desperation for money or drugs.
Adults who participate in it because their cognitive or psychiatric condition negates ability to fully consent.  
Men (and it's mostly men) who get addicted to viewing it so that it intrudes the other things in their lives.

If your social or religious values instruct you not to view or participate in pornography, but you want to anyway, then you have some choices to make.  Provided you're of the age of majority and of sound mind, you make your decisions out of free will.  Some of them you may regret.

Many governments--including the U.S. up until the late 1960s--determine pornography is unhealthy for the populace and prohibits it to some degree.  Some ban everything from nudies to hardcore, others just hardcore, but that does not stop there being a market for it.  There was money to be made in French postcards and blue movies 100+ years ago.  I've seen pornographic photographs from 1855!  

I suppose if you laid down a Draconian prohibition of porn, you could make a big dent in the market, but it's never going to go away.  How long has it been since prostitution's been illegal in New York City?  How long has it been since there's been no prostitution in New York City?  That's how I think of it.

As for pornography involving rape, assault, coercion, blackmail, extortion, homicide, kidnapping, unwilling restraint, or involvment of minors: These acts caught on camera all involve behavior already encoded as unlawful or criminal.  

Some women and men who are in the biz seem of sound mind and claim to enjoy what they do.  Who are we in a free society to say, "No you don't"?  They make their money and the fans get their jollies.  I do agree a lot of the messages in porn are angry, misogynistic, juvenile, mean-spirited, and vacuous, but if we punish media for being any of those things, Comedy Central goes off the air tonight!
::)

I do agree a lot of the messages in porn are angry, misogynistic, juvenile, mean-spirited, and vacuous, but if we punish media for being any of those things, Comedy Central goes off the air tonight!
::)



You've never watched good lesbian porn, have you? ;D

Thank you for the educated post Maxwell, karma to you.

You've never watched good lesbian porn, have you? ;D

Oh, I've seen just about everything 'cept for a few things I find too repulsive...at risk of violating the rules, I won't list my "won't watch list" here!
;)

If it's gonna be lesbian porn, I like it to be real lesbian porn, not just "girl-on-girl."

http://www.inthe00s.com/smile/15/smileinbox.gif

Oh, I've seen just about everything 'cept for a few things I find too repulsive...at risk of violating the rules, I won't list my "won't watch list" here!
;)

If it's gonna be lesbian porn, I like it to be real lesbian porn, not just "girl-on-girl."

http://www.inthe00s.com/smile/15/smileinbox.gif



Oh yeah, I know what you're getting at re: repulsive. In my previous post, I was referring to the more tamer porn. I just find it highly offensive though that some people are narrow minded enough to think that ALL porn is bad and that ALL people who watch it or love it are not respectable.

Oh yeah, I know what you're getting at re: repulsive. In my previous post, I was referring to the more tamer porn. I just find it highly offensive though that some people are narrow minded enough to think that ALL porn is bad and that ALL people who watch it or love it are not respectable.

Turns out many of those who claim to hate it the most are some of porn's most avid fans!

There was one anti-porn crusader who took out her laptop on FOX and claimed she could find hardcore CP in under five minutes.

You and I might not know where to begin...

But she knows...it's her job to know!
::)

Turns out many of those who claim to hate it the most are some of porn's most avid fans!

There was one anti-porn crusader who took out her laptop on FOX and claimed she could find hardcore CP in under five minutes.

You and I might not know where to begin...

But she knows...it's her job to know!
::)


Any vacancies going ?  ???  Hey .... I might just have to jump on the 'Anti-porn' bandwagon !  8)





Hey you dirty pigs out there  ... who love porn ... you should all be thoroughly ashamed of yourselves !


Just LOOK at what they're doing  (Ooh I don't think I can look anymore !    :o    >:(    :o  ).



Btw .... can anyone tell me where I can invest in a box of kleenex ? 



???






:P





:D



;D

What kind of respectable person could really call themselves a "porn lover"?

Really, I'm not being smart or anything, I'm seriously just curious as to why. How could anyone possibly get enjoyment out of something that (1) tends to destroy or at least be harmful to personal relationships; and (2) degrades women in general by treating them as objects? And if the girls actually LIKE doing it, then they're equally trashy as the fans and I feel sorry for them. By doing it and being okay with (or even encouraging) it, they're just enabling perverts to keep consuming that, which is why there's a whole huge industry for it in the first place.

Like I said before, just because maybe it "doesn't hurt" some people, doesn't make it GOOD either.

Name ONE positive influence it has.
Marty, I believe you have said that you're a virgin, correct?  I think Thereshegoes is right when she says you might have issues with sex in general.
SEX IS AWESOME!  Having sex is awesome!  Watching sex is awesome.  

Sorry, Gotta go find my husband....

Any vacancies going ?  ???   Hey .... I might just have to jump on the 'Anti-porn' bandwagon !  8)





Hey you dirty pigs out there  ... who love porn ... you should all be thoroughly ashamed of yourselves !


Just LOOK at what they're doing  (Ooh I don't think I can look anymore !    :o    >:(    :o  ).



Btw .... can anyone tell me where I can invest in a box of kleenex ? 



???






:P





:D



;D
Hey, keep your hands where we can see 'em, Mister. :D

Marty, I believe you have said that you're a virgin, correct?  I think Thereshegoes is right when she says you might have issues with sex in general.
SEX IS AWESOME!  Having sex is awesome!  Watching sex is awesome.  

Sorry, Gotta go find my husband....



I have issues and hang-ups on the subject myself.  A team of Clydesdales couldn't drag me to see the "Sex and the City" movie (a show I personally thought was more denigrating to women than hardcore porn) but I'm not going to finger-wag others if they disagree and enjoy it.
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Hey, keep your hands where we can see 'em, Mister. :D


No problema, Shannon !  8)

















I'll just use my 'Strap-on-vibrator' !

:P







:D


;D

How is telling him that sex is awesome finger-wagging?  I meant it more as a wink-wink kinda thing.
He wants to know how respectable people can love porn - what the hell is that?  I mentioned his virginity because it's (seemingly) a self-imposed abstinence and gives some insight into his point of view.  On a different thread both of you were bashing tattoos and I didn't give you the wagging finger of self-righteousness.

I love that my wife loves porn.  I too love porn.

I have to defend Jesse,TO A POINT. I think ONE of the reasons why he is so against it is because he saw how damaging it was to me and my relationship. Jesse has been by my side as a friend throughout this whole ordeal and he knows the effects it has on someone who is with a man who is totally addicted to it. I think that is why he is so adamant about being against it. I will say, however, that does not mean that ALL people who are into porn are pigs. A lot of people know how to say, "ok, I had my fun...but I will never let it take over my life, family, responsibilities, etc." It's very sad and pathetic when you have someone who is married with a child and responsibilities...but instead they choose to run up cable bills, phone bills, buying porn, etc.. to the point that they go in debt all because of it. That is where I totally draw the line.

I do agree with some though that make the point that sex is fun and good..and I believe if it is something that both people are okay with..then so be it. It becomes bad when one person sneaks to do it and is obsessed with it, etc. I also agree that it is kind of difficult to have opinions on things regarding to sex...whenever one has not had any sexual experiences yet. Things DO change once that actually happens. ;)

I love that my wife loves porn.  I too love porn.

Well, ain't that just sweet!
:-*

Marty, I believe you have said that you're a virgin, correct?  I think Thereshegoes is right when she says you might have issues with sex in general.
SEX IS AWESOME!  Having sex is awesome!  Watching sex is awesome. 

Sorry, Gotta go find my husband....




Now that you mention it his post did reek of virgin knowledge or lack of.  I sense he may have issues with sex in general, however he doesn't have to take it out on us.

I have to defend Jesse,TO A POINT. I think ONE of the reasons why he is so against it is because he saw how damaging it was to me and my relationship. Jesse has been by my side as a friend throughout this whole ordeal and he knows the effects it has on someone who is with a man who is totally addicted to it. I think that is why he is so adamant about being against it. I will say, however, that does not mean that ALL people who are into porn are pigs. A lot of people know how to say, "ok, I had my fun...but I will never let it take over my life, family, responsibilities, etc." It's very sad and pathetic when you have someone who is married with a child and responsibilities...but instead they choose to run up cable bills, phone bills, buying porn, etc.. to the point that they go in debt all because of it. That is where I totally draw the line.

I do agree with some though that make the point that sex is fun and good..and I believe if it is something that both people are okay with..then so be it. It becomes bad when one person sneaks to do it and is obsessed with it, etc. I also agree that it is kind of difficult to have opinions on things regarding to sex...whenever one has not had any sexual experiences yet. Things DO change once that actually happens. ;)


I get what you're saying and I'm fine with McFly not liking the pr0n, especially if he knew what had happened in your situation. I just can't get over the fact that he put his views in such terms. Me loving porn doesn't make me any less respectable than he is. I think that one sentence is what is raising my hackles so much. It sounded so........smug and rude.

I get what you're saying and I'm fine with McFly not liking the pr0n, especially if he knew what had happened in your situation. I just can't get over the fact that he put his views in such terms. Me loving porn doesn't make me any less respectable than he is. I think that one sentence is what is raising my hackles so much. It sounded so........smug and rude.



I agree....that was not the best way of putting it.

Let me first apologize for how I came across earlier, because I know how that probably sounds harsh on the receiving end of it. I didn't mean to lump a casual Playboy reader or something (who lives just as respectable of a life as anyone) in with some Al Bundy-type pigs. That was overboard, and I'm sorry if I offended anyone.

Even though it was never something I wanted to look at and I always thought it was kinda trashy (not the people per se, but porn itself), I'll admit for personal reasons I despise it even more nowadays. I guess I also hate the idea that just because I'm a younger guy that society kinda expects me to be into that.

My own philosophy generally is that you have a right to do whatever you want, so long as you're not hurting anyone or breaking the law (even if other people find it sickening or unpopular). And I also think everything affects each person differently. It might not make everyone pigs, but it doesn't contribute anything good either. You can be sexual without that stuff IMO.

P.S. On a lighter note....don't get me wrong I've always really liked girls since I was a kid, so it's not like I'm asexual or anything lol. Far from it. ;) I suppose I've always CASUALLY thought about this stuff, just more on an "I'd love to have them as a girlfriend" level, as opposed to "oh they're so hot, I wanna" (fill in the rest of that sentence with something pervy).

Let me first apologize for how I came across earlier, because I know how that probably sounds harsh on the receiving end of it. I didn't mean to lump a casual Playboy reader or something (who lives just as respectable of a life as anyone) in with some Al Bundy-type pigs. That was overboard, and I'm sorry if I offended anyone.

Even though it was never something I wanted to look at and I always thought it was kinda trashy (not the people per se, but porn itself), I'll admit for personal reasons I despise it even more nowadays. I guess I also hate the idea that just because I'm a younger guy that society kinda expects me to be into that.

My own philosophy generally is that you have a right to do whatever you want, so long as you're not hurting anyone or breaking the law (even if other people find it sickening or unpopular). And I also think everything affects each person differently. It might not make everyone pigs, but it doesn't contribute anything good either. You can be sexual without that stuff IMO.

P.S. On a lighter note....don't get me wrong I've always really liked girls since I was a kid, so it's not like I'm asexual or anything lol. Far from it. ;) I suppose I've always CASUALLY thought about this stuff, just more on an "I'd love to have them as a girlfriend" level, as opposed to "oh they're so hot, I wanna" (fill in the rest of that sentence with something pervy).



what some of the others are trying to say though Jesse is....not really regarding porn but sex in general, it is difficult to say what you would or wouldn't do beings that you have never experienced things in a sexual manner. Believe me...before I had sex, I had different standards and stuff (I won't do this, I won't do that, etc)....but honestly...there's probably not much that I haven't tried or done. When you are actually IN a situation like that, things DO change. You become open to different things that you may have thought that you would have never done before. You can't say that you wouldn't EVER do certain things...because you really don't know that..ya know?

I have to defend Jesse,TO A POINT. I think ONE of the reasons why he is so against it is because he saw how damaging it was to me and my relationship. Jesse has been by my side as a friend throughout this whole ordeal and he knows the effects it has on someone who is with a man who is totally addicted to it. I think that is why he is so adamant about being against it. I will say, however, that does not mean that ALL people who are into porn are pigs. A lot of people know how to say, "ok, I had my fun...but I will never let it take over my life, family, responsibilities, etc." It's very sad and pathetic when you have someone who is married with a child and responsibilities...but instead they choose to run up cable bills, phone bills, buying porn, etc.. to the point that they go in debt all because of it. That is where I totally draw the line.

I do agree with some though that make the point that sex is fun and good..and I believe if it is something that both people are okay with..then so be it. It becomes bad when one person sneaks to do it and is obsessed with it, etc. I also agree that it is kind of difficult to have opinions on things regarding to sex...whenever one has not had any sexual experiences yet. Things DO change once that actually happens. ;)

And I indeed I don't used the word "addictive" lightly.  Pornography is a bona-fide addiction as is gambling, booze, cigarettes, and opiates!

There is still stigma around porn, even though most of us look at it at sometime or another or both.  That is why a lot of guys who get hit with the addiction feel helpless because they believe they will be sexually ridiculed.  Other guys have a similar syndrom alcoholics-in-denial do:  "I just like it.  It's not a problem, I can quit whenever I want, I just don't want to."  

But, I mean, to suggest a person has not had sexual experiences is not to deny his right to an opinion.  Suppose somebody gets interested in Tibet, so they dowload pictures of Tibet, read books about Tibet, cook Tibetan food, study Tibetan philosophy and spirituality, and shop for Tibetan clothes.  They've never been to Tibet even though they might be experts on every facet of Tibetan life...and still never have been to Tibet.

Do you know, do you know, do you know?
;)

And I indeed I don't used the word "addictive" lightly.  Pornography is a bona-fide addiction as is gambling, booze, cigarettes, and opiates!

There is still stigma around porn, even though most of us look at it at sometime or another or both.  That is why a lot of guys who get hit with the addiction feel helpless because they believe they will be sexually ridiculed.  Other guys have a similar syndrom alcoholics-in-denial do:  "I just like it.  It's not a problem, I can quit whenever I want, I just don't want to."  

But, I mean, to suggest a person has not had sexual experiences is not to deny his right to an opinion.  Suppose somebody gets interested in Tibet, so they dowload pictures of Tibet, read books about Tibet, cook Tibetan food, study Tibetan philosophy and spirituality, and shop for Tibetan clothes.  They've never been to Tibet even though they might be experts on every facet of Tibetan life...and still never have been to Tibet.

Do you know, do you know, do you know?
;)



yes, I do know. ;)

Just for a final bit here...I don't mind if people watch porn behind closed doors if that's what they like. I may not agree with or approve of it, but in a free society it's their choice and I respect that. That wasn't the point of contention, and again I totally apologize if I came off like a jerk before.

What I was referring to was that "Porn lovers unite" comment. I have no problem with people liking it (within reason), but something about it being glorified or bragged about kinda rubs me wrong.

Just for a final bit here...I don't mind if people watch porn behind closed doors if that's what they like. I may not agree with or approve of it, but in a free society it's their choice and I respect that. That wasn't the point of contention, and again I totally apologize if I came off like a jerk before.

What I was referring to was that "Porn lovers unite" comment. I have no problem with people liking it (within reason), but something about it being glorified or bragged about kinda rubs me wrong.


I mean, the porn industry exploded when you could view porn in a place not full of other guys who like to view porn!: home video media and later the Internet! It was different in the days off phonesex.  On 'net, you don't know who you're really talking to, put  he might look a lot like you!
:o

something about it being glorified or bragged about kinda rubs me wrong.
it's not really your place to approve or disapprove of it. somebody else wants to say "porn lovers unite" that's their business. so what if it rubs you wrong? a lot of things rub me wrong, if it's somebody else making a decision about their personal life that doesn't harm other people i keep it to myself. if i may, you really sound kinda puritanical, like you're trying to control people's opinions. that aint cool. i dont wanna feel the need to do certain things "behind closed doors" because it rubs you the wrong way. bag that, i'm going to live my life the way i want to.

I wanna" (fill in the rest of that sentence with something pervy).




















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"Where ... where .... where's that pervert ?"  ???








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I love that my wife loves porn.  I too love porn.


I respect you both.



You've never watched good lesbian porn, have you? ;D


Yeah we did.  8) :o :D

it's not really your place to approve or disapprove of it. somebody else wants to say "porn lovers unite" that's their business. so what if it rubs you wrong? a lot of things rub me wrong, if it's somebody else making a decision about their personal life that doesn't harm other people i keep it to myself. if i may, you really sound kinda puritanical, like you're trying to control people's opinions. that aint cool. i dont wanna feel the need to do certain things "behind closed doors" because it rubs you the wrong way. bag that, i'm going to live my life the way i want to.

I suppose it's up to what side of the door you're on!
:-[

The whole controversy of whether or not to censor the Internet in public libraries left me asking,
"People are looking at porn in public libraries?!?  Ewwwww!  Is that an inkstamp or are you just happy to see me?
8)
"No, this is a major civil rights issue, you see...."
"But people are dowloading pornography in public libararies!  WTF?"

I suppose it's up to what side of the door you're on!
:-[

The whole controversy of whether or not to censor the Internet in public libraries left me asking,
"People are looking at porn in public libraries?!?  Ewwwww!  Is that an inkstamp or are you just happy to see me?
8)
"No, this is a major civil rights issue, you see...."
"But people are dowloading pornography in public libararies!  WTF?"

i actually think downloading smut in public libraries is pretty creepy too. folks gotta have self-respect, plus, there are kids there.

it's not really your place to approve or disapprove of it. somebody else wants to say "porn lovers unite" that's their business. so what if it rubs you wrong? a lot of things rub me wrong, if it's somebody else making a decision about their personal life that doesn't harm other people i keep it to myself. if i may, you really sound kinda puritanical, like you're trying to control people's opinions. that aint cool. i dont wanna feel the need to do certain things "behind closed doors" because it rubs you the wrong way. bag that, i'm going to live my life the way i want to.


...if rubbing you is wrong, I don't wanna be right!

Sorry, that song was just on the radio :D 

Porn shouldn't be public, that's why they're stored in shady nondescript little porn huts along the railroad tracks.

And I indeed I don't used the word "addictive" lightly.  Pornography is a bona-fide addiction as is gambling, booze, cigarettes, and opiates!

There is still stigma around porn, even though most of us look at it at sometime or another or both.  That is why a lot of guys who get hit with the addiction feel helpless because they believe they will be sexually ridiculed.  Other guys have a similar syndrom alcoholics-in-denial do:  "I just like it.  It's not a problem, I can quit whenever I want, I just don't want to."  

But, I mean, to suggest a person has not had sexual experiences is not to deny his right to an opinion.  Suppose somebody gets interested in Tibet, so they dowload pictures of Tibet, read books about Tibet, cook Tibetan food, study Tibetan philosophy and spirituality, and shop for Tibetan clothes.  They've never been to Tibet even though they might be experts on every facet of Tibetan life...and still never have been to Tibet.

Do you know, do you know, do you know?
;)
Really now Max, I didn't deny his right to an opinion because of his lack of experience.  I said it could give us some insight into his opinion. ::)

Just for a final bit here...I don't mind if people watch porn behind closed doors if that's what they like. I may not agree with or approve of it, but in a free society it's their choice and I respect that. That wasn't the point of contention, and again I totally apologize if I came off like a jerk before.

What I was referring to was that "Porn lovers unite" comment. I have no problem with people liking it (within reason), but something about it being glorified or bragged about kinda rubs me wrong.
I know you're not in the habit of stepping on toes - it's fine.  My problem with the whole thing is that it seems lilke you're drawing your opinion from opposite ends of the spectrum - your, um lack of "hands-on" experience and the fact that someone close to you has been hurt by a pornography addiction.  There is a healthy grey area that I don't think you've been exposed to (pardon the pun).

What kind of respectable person could really call themselves a "porn lover"?

And if the girls actually LIKE doing it, then they're equally trashy as the fans and I feel sorry for them. By doing it and being okay with (or even encouraging) it, they're just enabling perverts to keep consuming that, which is why there's a whole huge industry for it in the first place.


I should get the license plate "PR0N LVR": I bet DMV would let it be issued.

Marty, you already clarified yourself somewhat on what you meant, so I'm not going to beat it into the ground. I have to say though that the best porn is when the people are enjoying it. If they are not, then it's pointless to me: at that point I'm watching two people do their jobs. I might as well rent a video of someone paving a road or mopping a floor to get aroused. Boring with a capital "B".

Some porn is trashy and raunchy, and that's not entirely a bad thing: sometimes Nicole and I aren't looking to make love, we just want to ****. Do we still love each other? Yes, of course.

I think your objections to porn might also stem from the fact that filmed lovemaking is extremely rare. I've seen some actresses that will allow nearly any act, but they will not kiss the actor. Why? I surmise it's because kissing is, in many ways, more intimate than an act of sex.

As was mentioned earlier, not all porn is degrading to women: some porn lacks females entirely, while other stuff, such as femdom, features the women in a dominant role. Women in porn typically make much more than their male counterparts, too.

Ant

First off, I wanna applaud MaxwellSmart's posts. He seems to really know what he's talking about in a sensible, diplomatic and entertaining way.



it's not really your place to approve or disapprove of it. somebody else wants to say "porn lovers unite" that's their business. so what if it rubs you wrong? a lot of things rub me wrong, if it's somebody else making a decision about their personal life that doesn't harm other people i keep it to myself. if i may, you really sound kinda puritanical, like you're trying to control people's opinions. that aint cool. i dont wanna feel the need to do certain things "behind closed doors" because it rubs you the wrong way. bag that, i'm going to live my life the way i want to.

Okay, fair enough man, I can at least agree with you that people have freedom of speech and the right to express themselves, whether it's popular or if people agree with it or not. That's part of a free society we live in. Although even that works both ways, because those who disagree have the right to say so too. You have to understand that even though I was never crazy about it to begin with, it's much more personal now. Like Erin said, it's hard ever to tolerate it after witnessing the kind of pain it can put someone through, no matter what the context is or who's doing it.

Let me just ask you a serious question though. How would YOU feel if one of your female relatives that you loved were in a Playboy magazine or a porno movie where a bunch of random guys were looking at it for sexual reasons? You can't possibly tell me you'd feel okay with that. As the consumer, I guess it's easy to not think about it from the other side of the fence, since they can be just faceless, nameless objects. But hey THOSE women are somebody's daugher, sister, mother or friend too.




I also wanna dispel the idea that watching porn and being sexual go hand in hand. Like I said, thinking about sex and stuff is normal.....but you can do that WITHOUT looking at naked pictures of people you don't even know. That's the point i've been trying to make all along. ;)

Just personally I find it hard to look at any women sexually before I know them enough. I might think they're cute and stuff (okay I've thought that way about LOTS of girls before :D ), but what attracts me to them the most is what they're like inside or how I relate to them. Even if they're a celebrity or someone on tv that I don't know personally, I feel the same way. Maybe because they kinda remind me of someone I actually know, I'll find myself liking them, but it's never JUST about looks. I always wanted to "be someone's boyfriend" and I finally feel like I've not only done that, but it's like something so much more special that I couldn't possibly describe. :)

The point is, feeling sexual about women tends to come later once I'm comfortable enough. It can be a PART of a relationship (it's even healthy and normal probably), but it shouldn't be the WHOLE relationship.

Yes, I've had chances to look at naked women or porn before, lots of times really (and hey I've been old enough to legally buy it for almost 9 years now), but I never did. Frankly I'd feel like such a pervert. Now I'm not saying anyone who is into that stuff IS one (the majority of people do watch it at some point, and yet most are law abiding citizens who aren't necesarilly pigs), I just said it wouldn't feel right to ME.

I know you're not in the habit of stepping on toes - it's fine.  My problem with the whole thing is that it seems lilke you're drawing your opinion from opposite ends of the spectrum - your, um lack of "hands-on" experience and the fact that someone close to you has been hurt by a pornography addiction.  There is a healthy grey area that I don't think you've been exposed to (pardon the pun).

Oh that's cool, and I do get what you're saying. ;) You've got some good points, and it's probably true that one extreme isn't the best way to get a full view of something. To be honest I actually enjoy discussing this stuff and getting people's different opinions, even if I don't agree with all of them.

I guess i'll just say from personal experience, I've had dates and a few "sorta girlfriends" but those usually were formed out of friendships or people I kinda knew anyway (which I think is important too, but that's another story lol). There were times something came up, but I got really shy because I didn't know what to do. I guess I'm just such a feminist that I cared so much about not offending them, that I went the "safe" route.

They probably either thought I was gay (which I probably am in every way except romantically/sexually ;D ) or not interested. And on a serious note, I felt really bad about that, especially because I liked them so much and wished I could've had a more serious relationship with them. It's just hard because I was always feeling like I was walking a really thin line. It's like I'm risking either making them think I'm uninterested (which will hurt their feelings) or that I'm just a hornball who is more concerned with getting laid than having their companionship (which will also hurt their feelings).


To be honest though, even if I know I might come across like a prude (and in some ways maybe I kinda am), but you might be surprised how much I've always liked girls and stuff. It's just that in order to be able to express it, I have to REALLY feel comfortable enough with them, and I also guess I have to feel attractive myself. I want them to like me too, whereas some guys might not care as much about that. I'm like a woman in so many ways it's not even funny. ;)

I guess also, that I felt like it has to go in stages. Like first be friends, then feel romantic, then feel sexual.

I guess also, that I felt like it has to go in stages. Like first be friends, then feel romantic, then feel sexual.


You can do that and still like the pr0n.

You can do that and still like the pr0n.


Well yeah, I'm sure some people can and I don't deny that. Certainly not everyone who looks at it is a pig or disrespectful or treats women badly. But all I'm saying is that it doesn't feel right TO ME. I would feel like a pervert if I looked at a naked woman that I didn't know. Even if it's someone I haven't personally met and I only know on tv, my feelings are the same as if it were a girlfriend in real life. Their personality is what draws me in, maybe because they remind me of someone I know. That's what made me like Paula Abdul when I was 9 lol...or any other female celeb for that matter.

In essence, if you're looking at porn you ARE starting off viewing someone sexually without gradually building up.

You can do that and still like the pr0n.

pr0n is fantasy.  People who try to do things like that in real life often end up embittered!

pr0n is fantasy.  People who try to do things like that in real life often end up embittered!
Maybe they're not doing it right.  ;D

pr0n is fantasy.  People who try to do things like that in real life often end up embittered!



maybe they forgot to put on the ugly high heels. :D

Porn is freedom of speech, of course the exception being child porn which should be punishable by horrible torture, or maybe death to the people who produce it. Consumers who view and buy it should have thier  external sexual organs removed and  piss having to usie some sort of internal catheter. And no not just men I'm talking both sexes.
Adult porn is freedom of expression, if these people decide to debase themselves this way, it is thier choice. It is also the choice of the viewer to watch it. Bottom line if you don't want to see it don't look at it. Simple as that.

But that is just my opinion.

Maybe they're not doing it right.  ;D


Karamel! :D ;D


I guess i'll just say from personal experience, I've had dates and a few "sorta girlfriends" but those usually were formed out of friendships or people I kinda knew anyway (which I think is important too, but that's another story lol). There were times something came up, but I got really shy because I didn't know what to do. I guess I'm just such a feminist that I cared so much about not offending them, that I went the "safe" route.

They probably either thought I was gay (which I probably am in every way except romantically/sexually ;D ) or not interested. And on a serious note, I felt really bad about that, especially because I liked them so much and wished I could've had a more serious relationship with them. It's just hard because I was always feeling like I was walking a really thin line. It's like I'm risking either making them think I'm uninterested (which will hurt their feelings) or that I'm just a hornball who is more concerned with getting laid than having their companionship (which will also hurt their feelings).


What "things" would come up?  You say you liked these girls/women so much.  Did you tell them?  There's nothing wrong we being up front and setting the parameters for a relationship.  I was pretty shy in high school and didn't date much, but got more comfortable about disclosing my feelings as I got older.  Women seemed to respect me for it, whether it went like, "I like you/I'd like to see you again/I don't want to date other people" or "You seem nice, but I just don't feel a connection romantically; I'd like to be your friend" or whatever...
























...unless they were psycho like my ex-wife :D

I certainly wouldn't want any woman I cared about getting into the porn biz.  Then how can I look at porn when there's somebody who cares about every one of those people?  If that makes me a bit hypocritical, I can life with it.
::)

I certainly wouldn't want any woman I cared about getting into the porn biz.  Then how can I look at porn when there's somebody who cares about every one of those people?  If that makes me a bit hypocritical, I can life with it.
::)


It makes you normal.

I know a girl who was the girlfriend of an extremely famous porno star.  To say it screwed up her life is an understatement.

Fortunately she eventually turned her life around after she got away from the porn dude.

I know a girl who was the girlfriend of an extremely famous porno star.  To say it screwed up her life is an understatement.

Fortunately she eventually turned her life around after she got away from the porn dude.


Ron Jeremy?  :o

Ron Jeremy?  :o


No, this guy was before The Hedgehog...

Actually, for the most part, at least from what I have seen in interviews, Ron Jeremy seems like a nice guy.  Only difference is that he's boinked more women than Wilt Chamberlain.

Actually, for the most part, at least from what I have seen in interviews, Ron Jeremy seems like a nice guy.  Only difference is that he's boinked more women than Wilt Chamberlain.


More than Wilt?  :o  Damn. 

O'l Chamberlain laid claim to 20,000 conquests.  He had to have done them all so quickly, no wonder they called him "Wilt".  ;D

Yeah, well there's a couple of guys who don't put the pussy on a pedestal :D

Not that you shouldn't respect the ladies, mind you...

Porn is good if it's straight, non-kinky, and not done in excess. I'm sure some women do it and enjoy it/feel empowered and others do it out of low self esteem, like anything it's a mixed bag as to the good and evil it causes.


Well, I suppose "excess" is a relative term.  Would you consider the "The Houston 62 Gang B*ng" excessive?

Ron Jeremy?  :o


I love Ron Jeremy, hedgehog or no.
He used to be the only porn star I would watch, he was always funny and his porns had a plot.
I don't watch porn anymore haven't for a long time. It got boring, you know guy does girl girl does girl and in the end everyone does everyone. Too sleezy for me.
But to all you porn lovers enjoy.

It's very sad and pathetic when you have someone who is married with a child and responsibilities...but instead they choose to run up cable bills, phone bills, buying porn, etc.. to the point that they go in debt all because of it. That is where I totally draw the line.


Wait, what, you mean people pay for pr0n? :)  Not paying for pr0n is What the Internet is for (safe for work, it's just a link to a Broadway musical!)

P.S.  The reason the actresses always wear high heels, even in bed?  Well, because the floors of any film/video studio tend to be pretty filthy.  Would you rather look at someone whose feet are blackened with dirt?  (Wait, don't answer that.  You probably don't, but by Rule 34, I'm sure there's a website that caters to people who do...)

Pr0n is to sex, as GTA4 is to driving.  There's nothing wrong with either, but if you confuse the two, you're doing both of them wrong.

Karma in passing to everyone who said it better than I did.

Well, I suppose "excess" is a relative term.  Would you consider the "The Houston 62 Gang B*ng" excessive?


I thought it was s'posed to be "The Houston 500" outdoing Annabelle Chong's 351 record*
Thanks to pr0n Jeremy.
:P

Wait, what, you mean people pay for pr0n? :)  Not paying for pr0n is What the Internet is for (safe for work, it's just a link to a Broadway musical!)

P.S.  The reason the actresses always wear high heels, even in bed?  Well, because the floors of any film/video studio tend to be pretty filthy.  Would you rather look at someone whose feet are blackened with dirt?  (Wait, don't answer that.  You probably don't, but by Rule 34, I'm sure there's a website that caters to people who do...)




well then...why don't the guys wear heels? Do they not care about getting their feet filthy dirty too? ::)

well then...why don't the guys wear heels? Do they not care about getting their feet filthy dirty too? ::)

google: "GUYS IN HEELS," might help figure out a thing or two about a thing or two in that field!
8)

google: "GUYS IN HEELS," might help a figure out a thing or two about a thing or two in that field!
8)


no thanks Max...I've seen my share of freaks in my lifetime. :D

I have to defend Jesse,TO A POINT. I think ONE of the reasons why he is so against it is because he saw how damaging it was to me and my relationship. Jesse has been by my side as a friend throughout this whole ordeal and he knows the effects it has on someone who is with a man who is totally addicted to it. I think that is why he is so adamant about being against it. I will say, however, that does not mean that ALL people who are into porn are pigs. A lot of people know how to say, "ok, I had my fun...but I will never let it take over my life, family, responsibilities, etc." It's very sad and pathetic when you have someone who is married with a child and responsibilities...but instead they choose to run up cable bills, phone bills, buying porn, etc.. to the point that they go in debt all because of it. That is where I totally draw the line.
I do agree with some though that make the point that sex is fun and good..and I believe if it is something that both people are okay with..then so be it. It becomes bad when one person sneaks to do it and is obsessed with it, etc. I also agree that it is kind of difficult to have opinions on things regarding to sex...whenever one has not had any sexual experiences yet. Things DO change once that actually happens. ;)


I get your point of view but i have to ask...was it really the porn? Because i can see videogames,internet addiction and an array of other things doing that to people. Relationships are hard even when both parts have no addictions (and to be real is there anyone anywhere who isn't addicted to at least one thing?) but when problems you can't or don't want to resolve happen then maybe it's just not meant to me. It hurts a lot to admit it but you can't blame just one thing for ruining a relationship,it doesn't work like that.
Oh and Erin i'm truly sorry for what happened to you,me defending porn doesn't mean i think what he done to you is right. And Mcfly i understand your point of view is biased by Erin's story but if you really are as open minded as you claim to be then it's important to educate yourself about something you hate.

I get your point of view but i have to ask...was it really the porn? Because i can see videogames,internet addiction and an array of other things doing that to people. Relationships are hard even when both parts have no addictions (and to be real is there anyone anywhere who isn't addicted to at least one thing?) but when problems you can't or don't want to resolve happen then maybe it's just not meant to me. It hurts a lot to admit it but you can't blame just one thing for ruining a relationship,it doesn't work like that.
Oh and Erin i'm truly sorry for what happened to you,me defending porn doesn't mean i think what he done to you is right. And Mcfly i understand your point of view is biased by Erin's story but if you really are as open minded as you claim to be then it's important to educate yourself about something you hate.


you're right Isabel..addictions of ANY kind aren't good. I would be equally as upset if he would have been addicted to drugs, gambling, etc. The thing is though...that a porn addiction is not only upsetting (about it being an addiction)...it's also upsetting because I can't help but to take it personally. I mean...if he would have been addicted to gambling or drugs...I would have been upset BUT, I wouldn't have had thoughts like, "am I doing something wrong?", "is he not attracted to me anymore?", etc..like I do with the porn thing. Another thing is...it's one thing if someone is JUST viewing porn and is still faithful to his/her significant other....HOWEVER, in my case...it led to worse things. The porn addiction wasn't strong enough and he ended up cheating on me. So..you can see why I have such negative views on porn itself. Like I stated before...if it is something that BOTH people in a relationship can enjoy and it doesn't lead to ONE of them doing things behind the other person's back and/or getting SO involved in it that it ends up to the point that they can't even have cable TV, or cell phones, or anything (like it is in my home) due to jacking up the bills and not being able to pay them....then so be it. I am not about telling other people how to live....I am merely stating as to why it offends me, beings that it hit home personally with me..in such a negative kind of way.

you're right Isabel..addictions of ANY kind aren't good. I would be equally as upset if he would have been addicted to drugs, gambling, etc. The thing is though...that a porn addiction is not only upsetting (about it being an addiction)...it's also upsetting because I can't help but to take it personally. I mean...if he would have been addicted to gambling or drugs...I would have been upset BUT, I wouldn't have had thoughts like, "am I doing something wrong?", "is he not attracted to me anymore?", etc..like I do with the porn thing. Another thing is...it's one thing if someone is JUST viewing porn and is still faithful to his/her significant other....HOWEVER, in my case...it led to worse things. The porn addiction wasn't strong enough and he ended up cheating on me. So..you can see why I have such negative views on porn itself. Like I stated before...if it is something that BOTH people in a relationship can enjoy and it doesn't lead to ONE of them doing things behind the other person's back and/or getting SO involved in it that it ends up to the point that they can't even have cable TV, or cell phones, or anything (like it is in my home) due to jacking up the bills and not being able to pay them....then so be it. I am not about telling other people how to live....I am merely stating as to why it offends me, beings that it hit home personally with me..in such a negative kind of way.


Yeah i get you,if it was me i would kill him so you're a better person than i am ;)
But what was your opinion on porn before this happened?

Yeah i get you,if it was me i would kill him so you're a better person than i am ;)
But what was your opinion on porn before this happened?



well before it happened with him...I was with another person who was also addicted to it. I know how to pick em, huh? ::)  I've never been what you would call a "fan" of it...but I could tolerate a lot more before I went though all of this stupid crap.

well before it happened with him...I was with another person who was also addicted to it. I know how to pick em, huh? ::)  I've never been what you would call a "fan" of it...but I could tolerate a lot more before I went though all of this stupid crap.


Well don't ever think it's your fault they're addicted to it 'cause it isn't.

I was thinking how my love for porn was never a problem to any guy i've been with,not saying that i'm addicted 'cause i'm not,ok? :-[
But it is another double standard...men who watch porn are perverts,women liking porn? awesome :D

Well don't ever think it's your fault they're addicted to it 'cause it isn't.

I was thinking how my love for porn was never a problem to any guy i've been with,not saying that i'm addicted 'cause i'm not,ok? :-[
But it is another double standard...men who watch porn are perverts,women liking porn? awesome :D


I mean..don't get me wrong..I am by no means..a prude. I have just calmed down a lot since I have started raising Vaughn. It's not like I am some old maid or something....just less crazy! :D ;D

no thanks Max...I've seen my share of freaks in my lifetime. :D


What is your share of "freaks seen"?  I've seen quite a few, but I don't know what my share is either.  Maybe I should call the Freak-Seeing Bureau and find out!
:D

well then...why don't the guys wear heels? Do they not care about getting their feet filthy dirty too? ::)


If you're (a) male, (b) watching straight pr0n, and (c) are spending enough time watching the male actor's feet to notice whether they're clean or not (or even if the guy has feet, come to think of it), then You're Doing It Wrong!

Of course, now I'm wondering if the actors in gay pr0n wear socks during their film shoots.  Not that there's anything wrong with that, but I'm still not wondering enough to bother doing the research.  Lemme know whatcha find out :)

What is your share of "freaks seen"?  I've seen quite a few, but I don't know what my share is either.  Maybe I should call the Freak-Seeing Bureau and find out!
:D


Oh, enough to know that I've seen/experienced enough. ;)


If you're (a) male, (b) watching straight pr0n, and (c) are spending enough time watching the male actor's feet to notice whether they're clean or not (or even if the guy has feet, come to think of it), then You're Doing It Wrong!

Of course, now I'm wondering if the actors in gay pr0n wear socks during their film shoots.  Not that there's anything wrong with that, but I'm still not wondering enough to bother doing the research.  Lemme know whatcha find out :)


meh, I'm not in the mood to research.

If you're (a) male, (b) watching straight pr0n, and (c) are spending enough time watching the male actor's feet to notice whether they're clean or not (or even if the guy has feet, come to think of it), then You're Doing It Wrong!

Of course, now I'm wondering if the actors in gay pr0n wear socks during their film shoots.  Not that there's anything wrong with that, but I'm still not wondering enough to bother doing the research.  Lemme know whatcha find out :)


But isn't all straight porn a little gay? I mean how many male member camera shots are necessary for a straight guy to start to wonder if he likes the guy body more than the girls?

But isn't all straight porn a little gay? I mean how many male member camera shots are necessary for a straight guy to start to wonder if he likes the guy body more than the girls?
they did a study and heterosexual porn is like 85% hard large penis. it's always in the center of the screen. i thought that was pretty funny.

they did a study and heterosexual porn is like 85% hard large penis. it's always in the center of the screen. i thought that was pretty funny.


See? see? So why do straight guys want to see it? Is it because they want to feel inadequate and depressed?