If the issue of illegal immigration elimination is part of your goals, Mc Cain sounds like he has an idea to work on actually doing something about it,
Remember Obama and Clinton supporting those licenses for illegals....?

The Dems look to working with the health plan issue that has to get the money somehow..can you say 'Higher taxes'?

McCain is in the left corner from immigration, anwar, and global warming...good economic ideas...He does support amnesty but will secure the borders.

That is the first part I look at...

right now health care, economy and the war is first up to deal with THEN the illegals.

I feel Hillary will go soft if she gets in and give them amnesty as well..

I'm for the one politicians who will address that issue and don't hear it from the dems.

Enough for me to make my mind up!

I'm a conservative on illegal immigration, but the reason why I still support Obama is because I don't think he's going to be able to push much through when it comes to these amnesty schemes.  Even a good portion of the Democrats don't want to grant amnesty to illegals.  Obama is quite left-wing, especially on this issue, but I think he will end up doing much of what he's been talking about if he enters the presidency.  He'll have to compromise and come up with something a little more restrictive than his current plan, in order to get bipartisan support.

Every time I hear the right-wingers mention illegal aliens taking their jobs, I think to myself that If you're worried about illegal aliens taking your job, you must have a really crappy job.

I'd rather worry about the economy and a major drain on it, like the Iraq war.  Who is best to end the war and stop the waste of life and money?  McCain has pledged to stay in Iraq a hundred years. This pic says it all really.

http://z.about.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/R/e/1/mccain_bush_hug.jpg

McCain is a vote for four more years of this guy he's hugging.  The Republicans consider Romney to be two faced, yet here McCain is hugging someone who spread lies about him in the 2000 primary and pulled every dirty trick known in politics.  If it were me, and I had the opportunity to be this close to this jerk, I wouldn't be using my arms to hug him. Clearly McCain has drunk the neocon kool aid.

We need a change.  We need someone who's family hasn't been in the White House, and someone who isn't promising to continue the mistakes of the current administration.

Every time I hear the right-wingers mention illegal aliens taking their jobs, I think to myself that If you're worried about illegal aliens taking your job, you must have a really crappy job.
;D ;D ;D
Karma point, which makes 600 for you!

But seriously, I think there is a problem in some sectors, such as landscaping and construction, where the bosses are using migrant labor to drive down wages.  Then they can drive a wedge between worker and worker, which is always rewarding for fascists.
::)

Driver's licenses for illegals is just a red herring. 

Or else we get 'socialists' with Barack and Hillary..I would hold my nose and go for Mc Cain or maybe an indep....looking ahead, IF Mrs. Clinton gets in imagine the photo of certain country leaders who are against women of power either not in attendance or out to the back of the room....too much with the Clintons and Bushs'...also IF Mrs. C is there, that goes for 4-8 years, then Jeb will run then Chelsea, then the Bush twinss...now do you like the scenario?   

Or else we get 'socialists' with Barack and Hillary..I would hold my nose and go for Mc Cain or maybe an indep....looking ahead, IF Mrs. Clinton gets in imagine the photo of certain country leaders who are against women of power either not in attendance or out to the back of the room....too much with the Clintons and Bushs'...also IF Mrs. C is there, that goes for 4-8 years, then Jeb will run then Chelsea, then the Bush twinss...now do you like the scenario?     

My brain hurts!!!

Or else we get 'socialists' with Barack and Hillary..I would hold my nose and go for Mc Cain or maybe an indep....looking ahead, IF Mrs. Clinton gets in imagine the photo of certain country leaders who are against women of power either not in attendance or out to the back of the room....too much with the Clintons and Bushs'...also IF Mrs. C is there, that goes for 4-8 years, then Jeb will run then Chelsea, then the Bush twinss...now do you like the scenario?   


I wasn't aware that the Socialist Party was really participating in this election.  I doubt if you'll get Progressives (those people you call "Socialist" for some reason.)  We don't like either of them.  Doubt Chelsea would run.  She's not that politically inclined.  The Bush twins, pry the booze out of their hands and send them back to school.  I don't forsee any of your scenario.

Or else we get 'socialists' with Barack and Hillary..


Try telling true socialists that Barack and Hillary are members of their flock... if they aren't laughing so hard they can't move, they'd probably hit you for the insult.  Then offer you socialized hospital care to mend the bruises.

Barack is out fund raising Hillary by a mile right now, to the point where her staff is working unpaid.  I'm sure she will hang in until the caucus, but I doubt she's getting the nod.

Try telling true socialists that Barack and Hillary are members of their flock... if they aren't laughing so hard they can't move, they'd probably hit you for the insult.  Then offer you socialized hospital care to mend the bruises.

Barack is out fund raising Hillary by a mile right now, to the point where her staff is working unpaid.  I'm sure she will hang in until the caucus, but I doubt she's getting the nod.


Socialist is a catch all phrase for anyone who is not the "normal Liberal".  Actually to some it's a dirty word that is slightly less than Communist.  Barack and Hillary are no where near true Socialism.  To say they are is an insult to Socialist everywhere.

Socialist is a catch all phrase for anyone who is not the "normal Liberal".  Actually to some it's a dirty word that is slightly less than Communist.  Barack and Hillary are no where near true Socialism.  To say they are is an insult to Socialist everywhere.


Which is funny/sad, because the other bad word "liberal" the conservatives toss around applies to maybe 2% of the Democratic party.  The only one that was in the running for president this time around was Kucinich, and he's getting run out of his own district now by the big money folks in the DNC for making the other candidates look bad.

Try telling true socialists that Barack and Hillary are members of their flock... if they aren't laughing so hard they can't move, they'd probably hit you for the insult.  Then offer you socialized hospital care to mend the bruises.

Barack is out fund raising Hillary by a mile right now, to the point where her staff is working unpaid.  I'm sure she will hang in until the caucus, but I doubt she's getting the nod.


Seeing Hillary trying to get her 5 milion today... borrowing from her own...interesting move...but her boat is rocking...still seems a cold choice...

You have to admit that McCain is THE ONE who will not let Iran get the nukes...Hillary/Bill blinked when they could have gotten Osama...and blink and blink
 

Seeing Hillary trying to get her 5 milion today... borrowing from her own...interesting move...but her boat is rocking...still seems a cold choice...

You have to admit that McCain is THE ONE who will not let Iran get the nukes...Hillary/Bill blinked when they could have gotten Osama...and blink and blink
 




Bush could have gotten Osama, instead he went to Iraq which had nothing to do with 9/11.

Bush could have gotten Osama, instead he went to Iraq which had nothing to do with 9/11.


Probably because Osama had a better hole to hide in than Saddam did :D

Bush could have gotten Osama, instead he went to Iraq which had nothing to do with 9/11.


It was easier for Clinton as he was offered to be handed over..Bush would have to play hide and seek and the price and innocent lives lost would be have been worse....do you think the new pres has any plans to bring him to justice?

Like Hillary talks about, we'll take the terrorists through the 'legal' process to bring them to justice...

We need to eliminate the radicals, no questions or talking to...that's the president I wouldn't mind seeing in office..   

It was easier for Clinton as he was offered to be handed over..Bush would have to play hide and seek and the price and innocent lives lost would be have been worse....do you think the new pres has any plans to bring him to justice?

Like Hillary talks about, we'll take the terrorists through the 'legal' process to bring them to justice...

We need to eliminate the radicals, no questions or talking to...that's the president I wouldn't mind seeing in office..   


nonsense... utter rubbish really. 

http://mediamatters.org/items/200406220008

The Clinton was offered Osama lie is based on a NewsMax article and was debunked by the 9/11 commission.

    Former Sudanese officials claim that Sudan offered to expel Bin Ladin to the United States. Clinton administration officials deny ever receiving such an offer. We have not found any reliable evidence to support the Sudanese claim.

    Sudan did offer to expel Bin Ladin to Saudi Arabia and asked the Saudis to pardon him. U.S. officials became aware of these secret discussions, certainly by March 1996. The evidence suggests that the Saudi government wanted Bin Ladin expelled from Sudan, but would not agree to pardon him. The Saudis did not want Bin Ladin back in their country at all.


Iran offered Osama to Bush gift wrapped, and offered to work hand in hand with the US after 9/11.  Bush time and time again has proven he wants to be tough on Iran and play macho and has shown no interest in going after Osama.

nonsense... utter rubbish really. 

http://mediamatters.org/items/200406220008

The Clinton was offered Osama lie is based on a NewsMax article and was debunked by the 9/11 commission.

    Former Sudanese officials claim that Sudan offered to expel Bin Ladin to the United States. Clinton administration officials deny ever receiving such an offer. We have not found any reliable evidence to support the Sudanese claim.

    Sudan did offer to expel Bin Ladin to Saudi Arabia and asked the Saudis to pardon him. U.S. officials became aware of these secret discussions, certainly by March 1996. The evidence suggests that the Saudi government wanted Bin Ladin expelled from Sudan, but would not agree to pardon him. The Saudis did not want Bin Ladin back in their country at all.



That's interesting how NEWSMAX did not include CLINTONS' QUOTE when asked, that he didn't have enough to warrant holding him.
THE FOLLOWING gives testimonies of some politicians giving talks on how Clinton was 'in' with the Saudi's and there were SEVERAL offers..not sure but here's an excerpt of goings on:
(site was CLINTON AND BIN LADEN)...

Under Clinton, there were several opportunities to take out Bin Laden, but he refused to authorize them.

Shortly after September 11th, articles by the AP and the Philadelphia Inquirer charged that the Clinton administration had chances to take out bin Laden, but refused to authorize it.

In the waning days of the Clinton presidency, senior officials received specific intelligence about the whereabouts of Osama bin Laden and weighed a military plan to strike the suspected terrorist mastermind's location. The administration ultimately opted against an attack.

The information spurred a high-level debate inside the White House in December 2000 about whether the classified information provided the last best chance for President Clinton to punish bin Laden before he left office, the officials said.

"There were a couple of points, including in December, where there was intelligence indicative of bin Laden's whereabouts. But I can categorically tell you that at no point was it ripe enough to act," former National Security Adviser Sandy Berger told The Associated Press.

In May 1996, the Sudanese capitulated to U.S. pressure and asked Bin Laden to leave, despite their feeling that he could be monitored better in Sudan than elsewhere.

Another golden opportunity to eliminate Bin Laden was after he had been expelled from Sudan. He flew in a plane to Afghanistan and his plane could have easily been taken out.

Former Yugoslav President Slobodan Milosevic told the U.N. tribunal Tuesday that Osama bin Laden was in Albania in 2000 and that the Clinton Administration had discussed it with him.






And still, Clinton lies and says his 1998 'Wag the Dog' move firing cruise misiles at an aspirin factory and 14 dollar tents, was the "best chance" we had to get Bin Laden.

On Aug. 20, 1998, three days after half-confessing to lying about Monica Lewinsky and the day she testified before a federal grand jury, former President Clinton declared bin Laden the world's most dangerous terrorist.

Bill Clinton has made a series of public statements claiming his administration came close to killing bin Laden during a cruise-missile raid in 1998.
Touring the rubble of lower Manhattan on September 13, Clinton said, "The best shot we had at him was when I bombed his training camps in 1998. We just missed him by a matter of hours, maybe even less than an hour."

A few days later, on NBC, Clinton said, "We had quite good intelligence that he and his top lieutenants would be in his training camp. So I ordered the cruise-missile attacks, and we didn't tell anybody, including the Pakistanis, whose airspace we had to travel over, until the last minute. And unfortunately we missed them, apparently not by very long....We never had another chance where the intelligence was as reliable to justify military action."

But one of Clinton's top military commanders, who was deeply involved in the Afghanistan operation, has a different recollection. In an interview with National Review Online, retired general Anthony Zinni, commander of U.S. forces in the region at the time, described the 1998 cruise-missile raid as a "million-to-one-shot."

"There was a possibility could have been there," Zinni recalls. "My intelligence people did not put a lot of faith in that....As I was given this mission to do, I did not see that anyone had any degree of assurance or reliability that that was going to happen."

George W. Bush has made it clear he sees the action as a model of how not to strike back at terrorism. "When I take action, I'm not going to fire a $2 million missile at a $10 empty tent and hit a camel in the butt," Bush reportedly told a group of senators. "It's going to be decisive."

Refer to above for even more damaging facts that Clinton was offered Bin Laden on a platter silver platter at least three times and had several opportunities to take out Bin Laden and refused to do so.

Also, Clinton ordered the military to pump as many as 20 Tomahawk missiles into what he said was a chemical-weapons plant in Sudan financed by bin Laden. It turned out to be a pill plant owned by a Saudi businessman to whom the administration later had to pay $1 million in interest for seizing his plant.

Intelligence officials at the time expressed reservations about including the plant on the target list. Clinton picked the target himself.

"Clinton knew it wouldn't work in Afghanistan. It was a public-affairs move," the Pentagon official said, arguing that bombing is an extremely unreliable way to destroy a terrorist cell or assassinate its leader. "If he hit him , he would have been lucky."

The mission, which used some 80 missiles at a price of about $750,000 apiece.






Under Clinton, we found that he supported Bin Laden and his network.

Bill Clinton's IRS pursued his personal enemies with great enthusiasm - auditing Billy Dale, Gennifer Flowers, Paula Jones, Juanita Broaddrick and dozens more - America's enemies, it seems, got a free pass from the same agency.

At least 16 U.S.-based non-profit entities have been linked financially to bin Laden.

The Islamic African Relief Agency (IARA), has been directly linked to earlier attacks on U.S. interests by bin Laden.

IARA reportedly transferred money to Mercy International, another non-profit Muslim organization that purchased vehicles used by Osama bin Laden to bomb the U.S. embassies in both Kenya and Tanzania on August 8, 1998.

The Clinton State Department showered the IARA with $4.2 million in grants.

The Clinton administration shut down a 1995 investigation of Islamic charities, concerned that a public probe would expose Saudi Arabia's suspected ties to a global money-laundering operation that raised millions for anti-Israel terrorists, federal officials told The Washington Times.

Bill Clinton's abuse of the military that included bombing Yugoslavia to distract from the scandals, China-gate and the rape of Juanita Broaddrick, strengthened Bin Ladens terrorist movement and its position in the Balkans and actually involved the U.S. allying itself with Bin Laden's KLA, which is a faction of Al Qaeda.

A story by Jerry Seper in the Washington Times on May 4, 1999, reported, "Some members of the Kosovo Liberation Army, which has financed its war effort through the sale of heroin, were trained in terrorist camps run by international fugitive Osama bin Ladenwho is wanted in the 1998 bombing of two U.S. embassies in Africa that killed 224 persons, including 12 Americans."

Seper said that newly obtained intelligence reports showed that the KLA had enlisted Islamic terrorists in its conflict with Serbia and that bin Laden's organization, known as al-Qaeda, had both trained and financially supported the KLA, which had been labeled a terrorist group by a Clinton State Department official.

President Clinton incubated the Taliban regime in Afghanistan for at least three years, despite the fact that it was harboring Osama bin Laden, was responsible for growing 60 percent of the world's heroin and denied basic human rights to the nation.

Rep. Dana Rohrabacher, R-Calif., says he was belittled, stonewalled and ridiculed for three years for asserting the congressional oversight role in the formulation of foreign policy toward Afghanistan during the last term of the Clinton administration.

Using his seat on the House International Affairs Committee, Rohrabacher attempted, he says, for several years to secure communiqués, cables and other State Department documents that would reveal what was behind U.S. policy toward Kabul. He says he and his committee were "stonewalled" and "belittled" in all their attempts.

According to Rohrabacher, the Clinton administration played a role in creating the Taliban by giving a 'green light' to Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, and other gulf states to fund, direct, and organize the Taliban.

Rohrabacher said at one point on the house floor in a Sept. 17th speech that the Clinton administration promised Pakistan and Saudi Arabia that it wouldnt overthrow the Taliban according to the UPI.

Robin Raphel, Clinton's assistant secretary of state for south Asia affairs until mid-1997, is believed to be instrumental in the rise of the Taliban.

One report suggested that several Islamic states expressed the belief that Raphel and other U.S. officials along with Afghans in the U.S. were on the payroll of Unocal's payroll. They cite that she provided a fiery defense of Unocal and especially the Taliban in negotiations with the Afghanistan government.

During such an encounter, Raphel's words -- in effect asking the government to 'give it up."