I can forgive no more.  The McCain-Feingold incumbent protection act, the medicare prescription drug bill, the spending, LOST, the fighting Iraq like Vietnam, Harriet Miers, No Child Left Behind and CAFTA were all bad enough.  But this amnesty bill for illegal aliens is the straw that broke the camel's back.  How Bush could just attempt to sell the country out like this is beyond me.  I hope there are 40 republicans and democrats (and Benard Sanders) to sucessfully filibuster and defeat the amnesty bill.

At this point I wish the democrats would just impeach him.

:o :o :o :o :o :o


WOW!!!! I am picking myself up off the floor. I never thought I would hear that from you.


BTW, it is good to see you back.



Cat

I can forgive no more.  The McCain-Feingold incumbent protection act, the medicare prescription drug bill, the spending, LOST, the fighting Iraq like Vietnam, Harriet Miers, No Child Left Behind and CAFTA were all bad enough.  But this amnesty bill for illegal aliens is the straw that broke the camel's back.  How Bush could just attempt to sell the country out like this is beyond me.  I hope there are 40 republicans and democrats (and Benard Sanders) to sucessfully filibuster and defeat the amnesty bill.

At this point I wish the democrats would just impeach him.

:o
Whoa, I don't believe what I'm reading. Has it come to this?
Never thought I'd see the day that you comment like this about Bush.

Well, nice to see you back.

So, are we to expect you'll be voting for Hillary after all? ;)

So, are we to expect you'll be voting for Hillary after all? ;)


I want Ron Paul, Tom Tancredo, Duncan Hunter or Fred Thompson.

I want Ron Paul, Tom Tancredo, Duncan Hunter or Fred Thompson.


I don't think the problem is the politician, the problem is the politics.  I like Ron Paul.  I agree with him about 3/4 of the time, but when I disagree with him I really disagree with him!  Paul will never get nominated because he's not going to kiss-azz to anybody's Big Government whether it's left-wing nanny state or right-wing military-industrial complex.

Tancredo and Hunter don't stand a chance either.  Thompson maybe.  However, if Thompson became president I'll bet he'd sell his campaign promises up the river in a New York minute.  Same thing with Romney and  Giuliani. 

I was so disgusted with Bill Clinton by '96, I wrote in Ralph Nader.  I expected Clinton to suck, but not suck as bad as George HW Bush!

I don't know who the GOP is going to go with.  Maybe Romney/Thompson.

The Republicans realize they cannot afford to alienate the Latino vote, hence the "amnesty" bill.  It's not about what's good for the country with these guys.  Power is all that matters. 
::)

I can forgive no more.  The McCain-Feingold incumbent protection act, the medicare prescription drug bill, the spending, LOST, the fighting Iraq like Vietnam, Harriet Miers, No Child Left Behind and CAFTA were all bad enough.  But this amnesty bill for illegal aliens is the straw that broke the camel's back.  How Bush could just attempt to sell the country out like this is beyond me.  I hope there are 40 republicans and democrats (and Benard Sanders) to sucessfully filibuster and defeat the amnesty bill.

At this point I wish the democrats would just impeach him.


You're probably about the millionth Republican who has mutter the words "just impeach him".  B.T. W. what do you think of Bill Richardson???

BTW, it is good to see you back.



Cat


Thanks.

B.T. W. what do you think of Bill Richardson???


I don't know anything about him other than he's a democrat, a governor and that he is from New Mexico.

I don't know anything about him other than he's a democrat, a governor and that he is from New Mexico.


A lot of Republicans say if they had to vote for a Democrat they'd vote for him.  He's pretty level headed and speaks his mind. :)

Hell has frozen over.

Welcome back.  I won't even so "told you so" because the situation has gone too far for that.  This administration is an American Tragedy.  I think (fear) that Mitt Romney will be next.  People will fall for his looks and his supposed "family values" but I consider him more dangerous than bushie.  Mitt is smart, but a self serving venture capitalist is just as bad as a cadre of selfserving oil men.

Hell has frozen over.


;D

Hi GWB, good to see you back.  We've missed you.  I am VERY surprised by this thread though, you were such an ardent supporter of the...President.  But, as they say, intelligence allows for a change.  Again, welcome back.  Hope you hang around for a bit, looks like an interesting political season. I look forward to our vigorous debates.

Polls say Dubya's approval rating is down to 26%.  That means one in four Americans STILL supports this man!  What does he care?  He's a lame duck prez with no successor in his cabinet.  Dubya's all bet said, "I'm leavin' this here big mess for the next guy to pick up.  So long suckers!"
:o

Sometimes I think they're doin' it on purpose! 
"Hey Karl, betcha I can beat Tricky Dick's 23%!"
;D

I can forgive no more.  The McCain-Feingold incumbent protection act, the medicare prescription drug bill, the spending, LOST, the fighting Iraq like Vietnam, Harriet Miers, No Child Left Behind and CAFTA were all bad enough.  But this amnesty bill for illegal aliens is the straw that broke the camel's back.  How Bush could just attempt to sell the country out like this is beyond me.  I hope there are 40 republicans and democrats (and Benard Sanders) to sucessfully filibuster and defeat the amnesty bill.

At this point I wish the democrats would just impeach him.


This has to be the forum quote of the day, if not maybe for the year.

I'm not going to get started on the amnesty issue...

I don't think the problem is the politician, the problem is the politics.  I like Ron Paul.  I agree with him about 3/4 of the time, but when I disagree with him I really disagree with him!  Paul will never get nominated because he's not going to kiss-azz to anybody's Big Government whether it's left-wing nanny state or right-wing military-industrial complex.

Tancredo and Hunter don't stand a chance either.  Thompson maybe.  However, if Thompson became president I'll bet he'd sell his campaign promises up the river in a New York minute.  Same thing with Romney and  Giuliani. 

The Republicans realize they cannot afford to alienate the Latino vote, hence the "amnesty" bill.  It's not about what's good for the country with these guys.  Power is all that matters. 
::)


But it's mostly the democrats pushing this bill.  The opposition to this McCain-Kennedy-Reid-Bush amnesty is from most republicans (aside from Graham, Martinez, McCain and Lott), a very few democrats and socialist Benard Sanders of Vermont.

Bernie's the one who knows what they're REALLY up to!

Bernie's the one who knows what they're REALLY up to!




Bernie is smart guy who unlike most in Washington can't be bought. A few months ago, we went to a reception for him and someone asked him about lobbyists (can't remember exactly what the question was) and his response was almost laughing that very few lobbyists are at his office door.


Cat

Bernie is smart guy who unlike most in Washington can't be bought. A few months ago, we went to a reception for him and someone asked him about lobbyists (can't remember exactly what the question was) and his response was almost laughing that very few lobbyists are at his office door.


Cat

Well I never give the Jehova's Witnesses diddleysquat and they keep coming back to my door! I guess the difference is the JWs merely have to try, the lobbyists have to succeed!

I can forgive no more.  The McCain-Feingold incumbent protection act, the medicare prescription drug bill, the spending, LOST, the fighting Iraq like Vietnam, Harriet Miers, No Child Left Behind and CAFTA were all bad enough.  But this amnesty bill for illegal aliens is the straw that broke the camel's back.  How Bush could just attempt to sell the country out like this is beyond me.  I hope there are 40 republicans and democrats (and Benard Sanders) to sucessfully filibuster and defeat the amnesty bill.

At this point I wish the democrats would just impeach him.


I can't believe my eyes. And what is more shocking to me is that even George W. Bush isn't conservative enough for your taste... I'd hate to think of the guy you'd have in power. Well, welcome to the light side of the force my friend, at least for a while.

George W. Bush isn't conservative enough for your taste


That's just is, George W. Bush isn't a Conservative. He's a reactionary.

Instead of using rational thought, logic and the will of the people, he makes knee jerk reactions based on the best interests of those who surround him.

That's just is, George W. Bush isn't a Conservative. He's a reactionary.

Instead of using rational thought, logic and the will of the people, he makes knee jerk reactions based on the best interests of those who surround him.


That's absolutely the truth, but therein lies what has become the popular American conservative (little C of course) movement and hence the definition of that word in that country.

That's absolutely the truth, but therein lies what has become the popular American conservative (little C of course) movement and hence the definition of that word in that country.


Glad you see that as well.

It's high time we took the Conservative belief back from the Christian Right and Corporate Behemoths.

Glad you see that as well.

It's high time we took the Conservative belief back from the Christian Right and Corporate Behemoths.

Bush is a corporatist above all else.  Corporatists are not conservatives per se.  They tend to espouse conservative ideology because conservative ideology espouses an executive-driven, authoritarian point of view.  Thus corporatist politicians make feints to the conservative base about their agenda (eg. outlawing abortion, stopping illegal immigration, banning pornography) but lose conservative support when they fail to deliver. 

Then the conservatives vote Republican again.  That's not because they're foolish but because the two-party system doesn't give the voter much choice.

Then the conservatives vote Republican again.  That's not because they're foolish but because the two-party system doesn't give the voter much choice.



Very true. You usually have Twiddle Dumb & Twiddle Dumber.



Cat

Bush is a corporatist above all else.  Corporatists are not conservatives per se.  They tend to espouse conservative ideology because conservative ideology espouses an executive-driven, authoritarian point of view.  Thus corporatist politicians make feints to the conservative base about their agenda (eg. outlawing abortion, stopping illegal immigration, banning pornography) but lose conservative support when they fail to deliver. 

Then the conservatives vote Republican again.  That's not because they're foolish but because the two-party system doesn't give the voter much choice.


Pretty much, I've found myself voting Democrat simply because I didn't want to vote for anybody who aligned themselves with the Evangelical community, not because I agreed with what the Democratic candidate had to say.

Pretty much, I've found myself voting Democrat simply because I didn't want to vote for anybody who aligned themselves with the Evangelical community, not because I agreed with what the Democratic candidate had to say.

Well, you know the SICK, SAD thing is the Dems grovel for the "Christian" vote, but they won't get it until they condemn abortion, homosexuality, and public education.

The first politician to make himself known as a born-again Christian was Jimmy Carter.  He wasn't the first born-again politician, but he's the one who made it a household word.  But then Jerry Falwell teamed up with Ronald Reagan and the rest is history.

At least Carter was sincere.  When Hillary starts talking about her "faith" I just want to gag.  Her supporters don't want to hear it, her opposition won't buy it, and everybody knows her faith talk is a sham. 

I hope the sun is going down on the Christian Right, but I'm not holding my breath.  Tim Lahaye and Jerry Jenkins' "Left Behind" series has sold more than "Harry Potter" and "Lord of the Rings" combined.  The difference is with those series the readers understand it's fiction.  "Left Behind" readers actually believe that crap.  Oh, and it is crap.   It's totally smug and mean-spirited!

I wish the word "conservative" could be reclaimed from the Religious Right, because honestly, even though I am personally quite liberal, there are some key issues where I fall a little more on the conservative side. But this conservative problem is not only in the US anymore, it has started to take root here as well.

In the US context I would never vote Republican as long as they remained to be the kind of party they are today. And the same goes for the Conservatives here in Canada. They're not just plain old fiscal conservatives anymore. They're pro-life, anti-gay, anti-social services, way too pro-American (I don't mean to cause offence here, but you really must understand the relationship between the US and Canada from a Canadian perspective to get what I mean by this), anti-environment etc...

The Prime Minister says a lot of things and tries to court the Canadian majority (which is centre/centre-left on the whole), but everyone knows that he'll say anything to get a majority government, and once he does we're stuck with him for five years and he can basically do whatever he wants. And we all know he's a right-wing religious nut on the inside. But he just keeps sweet talking everybody. There are, however, a few issues where I agree with what he says, but I can't vote for his party because I'm too afraid they might get a majority. It's like a trap.

So in many ways, Stephen Harper is the Dubya of Canada, only smarter.

Is left behind what the simpsons was making fun of with their apocalyptic "left below" episode?

Okay, who hacked into GWB2004's account? ;) ;D  You know, I think Chucky can change your username if you want ;)

Seriously, though.....it's good to see ya back :)

Okay, who hacked into GWB2004's account? ;) ;D  You know, I think Chucky can change your username if you want ;)

Seriously, though.....it's good to see ya back :)


Thanks.  But I must admit I don't remember you.  Are you 80's Cheerleader?

I can forgive no more.  The McCain-Feingold incumbent protection act, the medicare prescription drug bill, the spending, LOST, the fighting Iraq like Vietnam, Harriet Miers, No Child Left Behind and CAFTA were all bad enough.  But this amnesty bill for illegal aliens is the straw that broke the camel's back.  How Bush could just attempt to sell the country out like this is beyond me.  I hope there are 40 republicans and democrats (and Benard Sanders) to sucessfully filibuster and defeat the amnesty bill.

At this point I wish the democrats would just impeach him.


  This second and final term is nearly over, now...

  Let's see what #44 has in store...

  Howdy, GW... :)

 
That's just is, George W. Bush isn't a Conservative. He's a reactionary.

Instead of using rational thought, logic and the will of the people, he makes knee jerk reactions based on the best interests of those who surround him.


  I might say isolationist, as well, if a profit margin could be seen...

 

I was willing to embrace George W. despite Gore being robbed in 2000. I thought George Bush Senior was a good man, although I have lost a little respect for him too in these past 7 years.  The handling of 9/11 I felt was not strong enough, and the Iraq war mostly everyone feels was mismanaged and misguided. The patriot act was unconsitutional in my eyes, the handling of Katrina was poor, the immigration act was badly flawed and the commutation of Scooter Libby was just the last straw. I regret to say, this administration is corrupt to the core.

So I WANTED to like Dubya but I've lost all my objectivity now. This president really has no legacy, other than removing Saddam from power which has actually made the situation in Iraq more dangerous.

Its all been said before though, I think its just time to let this President serve out what little remains of his 2nd term and then, finally, turn the page.

I am happy that this year marks GWB's last term in office.  But who will be the next president?

I am happy that this year marks GWB's last term in office.  But who will be the next president?


I hope it's Bill Richardson!!!  It'll probably end up being Hillary Clinton or Mitt Romney. :-\\

I am happy that this year marks GWB's last term in office. 
Or is it?
:o

Or is it?
:o
http://www.inthe00s.com/smile/03/crap.gif20 more years of this crap.  he's too stupid to be dictator!!!

Personally I like Ron Paul alot but probably the most feasible match up will be Hillary and Romney. Guliani is leading the polls for GOP but he's :GASP: not really a conservative or even a republican for that matter. Ultimately I think the republicans will rally around Romney as Fred Thompson will prove himself to be a last ditch attempt among a desperate GOP to create another Reaganite

http://www.inthe00s.com/smile/03/crap.gif20 more years of this crap.  he's too stupid to be dictator!!!

But he's got some men on his staff who aren't!
:P

http://www.inthe00s.com/smile/03/crap.gif20 more years of this crap.  he's too stupid to be dictator!!!


I won't even entertain that idea as a joke. :-X

But he's got some men on his staff who aren't! :P


And I won't entertain that idea, even as a joke. (Although a Lewinski from Jeff Gannon during the State of the Union speech is probably about the only thing that could lead to an impeachment at this point :)

I was willing to embrace George W. despite Gore being robbed in 2000. I thought George Bush Senior was a good man, although I have lost a little respect for him too in these past 7 years.  The handling of 9/11 I felt was not strong enough, and the Iraq war mostly everyone feels was mismanaged and misguided. The patriot act was unconsitutional in my eyes, the handling of Katrina was poor, the immigration act was badly flawed and the commutation of Scooter Libby was just the last straw. I regret to say, this administration is corrupt to the core.

So I WANTED to like Dubya but I've lost all my objectivity now. This president really has no legacy, other than removing Saddam from power which has actually made the situation in Iraq more dangerous.

Its all been said before though, I think its just time to let this President serve out what little remains of his 2nd term and then, finally, turn the page.


  It's these two things that, I've noticed, did it for many of those who supported the president.  I mean, that's all I'm hearing about at work - immigration and Scooter, Scooter and immigration...

  I'm still in a state of shock...

But he's got some men on his staff who aren't!
:P
"Terrorist attack" right before the 2008 election? Declaration of a "state of emergency" (martial law)? I wouldn't put it past them.  :-\\

But he's got some men on his staff who aren't!
:P


You're right, Condi is a bit smarter than George. :-\\

I'm no republican (moderate democrat), but I was willing to support him even though I felt Gore got robbed. But yeah, the surge, immigration bill and Scooter Libby was a tripple whammy for me.

It turns out 2000 was a sad chapter in american history.  :(

You're right, Condi is a bit smarter than George. :-\\



Gomer Pyle is smarter than George.



Cat

Gomer Pyle is smarter than George.



Cat

Dubya's more of a Roscoe P. Coltrane character.
He's even got the stammer and the dumb dog riding shotgun!
;D

(In this episode, he's gotta go down to the county judge and get Scooter outta trouble.  Oh that Scooter, such a rascal!)

Dubya's more of a Roscoe P. Coltrane character.
He's even got the stammer and the dumb dog riding shotgun!
;D

(In this episode, he's gotta go down to the county judge and get Scooter outta trouble.  Oh that Scooter, such a rascal!)



So would that make Cheney or Rove Boss Hogg?  :D ;D ;D



Cat

Thanks.  But I must admit I don't remember you.  Are you 80's Cheerleader?
shhhh.....don't tell anyone ;)

Gomer Pyle is smarter than George.



Cat


WELL GOLLY!!!  SHAZAM!!! ;D