I of course read other online newspapers, but I love the Salt Lake Tribune cause I can get replies like this one.  Oh wonderful Red Utah.

http://www.sltrib.com/opinion/ci_5922427

Brigham Nephi Taft Benson: 5/18/2007 4:18:00 PM  0   

It'll be a sad day when GWB leaves office, and socialist Give-me-your-babies-so-I-can-abort-them Hillary or Iraq Hussein Osama becomes president. It doesn't matter what their qualifications or ideas are, the only thing that matters is if they love God. Our country has been floating on a cloud of happiness and cheer for 7 years, thanks to our president who talks with God. When he leaves, all of this wonderfulness is going to leave, and we're going to actually have problems and issues for a change.

;D>:( ;D


My Response:

Brigham, I hope you are being sarcastic.  But if not, I can call names too.  How about Fascist Bush and Cheney.  Does that work?  There is a big problem in America today where people can't discuss issues in a civil manner.  Its always about God, name calling, and im right and you are wrong.  Makes me feel so much safer that Bush's head has been in the clouds these past 7 years, while our country has very extensive problems that will probably take awhile to get under control.  You talk about qualifications?  What, if any, qualifications does Bush have?  As far as I have seen, he is an idiot.  Ranks up there with Ulysses S. Grant with his failure to control his administration, the scandals, and just plain stupidity.  If God is on his side, then I have serious doubts about religion in this country.

John McCain said it himself.  Bush is bad for the Republican Party.  This is not a partisan or Democrat thing anymore.  He has stepped on the U.S. Constitution numerous times.  Neo-Cons don't even want to be near him.  Last I heard Bush's approval rating was 22%  which means 88% now thinks the man sucks at his job.

John McCain said it himself.  Bush is bad for the Republican Party.  This is not a partisan or Democrat thing anymore.  He has stepped on the U.S. Constitution numerous times.  Neo-Cons don't even want to be near him.  Last I heard Bush's approval rating was 22%  which means 88% now thinks the man sucks at his job.


Thanks Kath.

I've been saying this for a long time. George W. Bush.. is not.. I repeat, loudly IS NOT! a Republican. In no way, shape or form does he support the ideals of the actual Republican party.

George W. Bush is the Christian Candidate and America will not be safe until the Christian voice is silenced.. by any.. means.. necessary.

Thanks Kath.

I've been saying this for a long time. George W. Bush.. is not.. I repeat, loudly IS NOT! a Republican. In no way, shape or form does he support the ideals of the actual Republican party.

George W. Bush is the Christian Candidate and America will not be safe until the Christian voice is silenced.. by any.. means.. necessary.


Did he ever really grasp the concept of the Republican Party?  He caters to the Religious Right and the Religious Right only.  Fiscal Conservatives are pretty much left out in the cold.

and yet something like two-thirds of the republican party still supports him, yes? how is someone not a republican if he says a republican, he gets republican money, and somewhere between a solid majority and a virtual unanimity of the party supports him? (i mean, when he was generally popular his support among republicans was 90+ percent!)

and yet something like two-thirds of the republican party still supports him, yes? how is someone not a republican if he says a republican, he gets republican money, and somewhere between a solid majority and a virtual unanimity of the party supports him? (i mean, when he was generally popular his support among republicans was 90+ percent!)


Then of course you have people switching parties.  Third party registration has gone up.  Could it possibly be the Republican Party is shrinking?

and yet something like two-thirds of the republican party still supports him, yes? how is someone not a republican if he says a republican, he gets republican money, and somewhere between a solid majority and a virtual unanimity of the party supports him? (i mean, when he was generally popular his support among republicans was 90+ percent!)


Cause he's still God's man?  


I think the party lines are so screwed up anyway.  Not sure anyone really knows where any issue falls.

and yet something like two-thirds of the republican party still supports him, yes? how is someone not a republican if he says a republican, he gets republican money, and somewhere between a solid majority and a virtual unanimity of the party supports him? (i mean, when he was generally popular his support among republicans was 90+ percent!)


I.. and most of the people I know.. are Republicans.. and his support is so low. I know one guy who's a big GW fan and that's it.. and consider where I live! Missouri is responsibly for John F**king Ashcroft!

When he was generally popular his support was up in the 50's nationally wasn't it? I don't pay attention to approval ratings, Clinton had s**t ones and I think he was the best President since Eisenhower.

Did he ever really grasp the concept of the Republican Party?  He caters to the Religious Right and the Religious Right only.  Fiscal Conservatives are pretty much left out in the cold.


Correct, Conservative means keeping the status quo, spending less, taxing less, generally letting people run their own lives, this administration has seen more Government intervention than just about any in history.

I.. and most of the people I know.. are Republicans.. and his support is so low. I know one guy who's a big GW fan and that's it.. and consider where I live! Missouri is responsibly for John F**king Ashcroft!

When he was generally popular his support was up in the 50's nationally wasn't it? I don't pay attention to approval ratings, Clinton had s**t ones and I think he was the best President since Eisenhower.


naw, he was 90% after 911 and then he seemed to hover around the 60s for a long time. but it's an average of two extremes, virtually no dems like him and virtually all repubs do. although to be fair to your point of view, it could be less liking bush on the repubs' part than it is hating liberals, much like how the rallying cry on the left was "anybody but bush." politics these days seems to be less about having ideas than about hating the other guy.

which would explain how dubya could be supported by the rank and file even if he doesn't subscribe to conservative ideals.

which would explain how dubya could be supported by the rank and file even if he doesn't subscribe to conservative ideals.


Feed em fish heads.

naw, he was 90% after 911 and then he seemed to hover around the 60s for a long time. but it's an average of two extremes, virtually no dems like him and virtually all repubs do. although to be fair to your point of view, it could be less liking bush on the repubs' part than it is hating liberals, much like how the rallying cry on the left was "anybody but bush." politics these days seems to be less about having ideas than about hating the other guy.


MmmHmm, which pisses me off. Either vote, or don't.. just write in or something. None of this "I'll vote for such and such simply because he/she isn't so and so." Nah, that's bulls**t. That's making a mockery of the Democratic process.

MmmHmm, which pisses me off. Either vote, or don't.. just write in or something. None of this "I'll vote for such and such simply because he/she isn't so and so." Nah, that's bulls**t. That's making a mockery of the Democratic process.


Im not too impressed with any of the candidates really, not anyone who really has stood out in front of the others anyway.  And im including Republican candidates.  Anyone who votes straight party line, without even trying to see what this candidate stands for, is really a detriment to our nation and not an asset.  A democracy requires people to know, to think for themselves, and be apart of the government.  I cant understand how someone can assume that just because they are in such and such party that the candidates will essentially be doing whats best for the country. 

Im not too impressed with any of the candidates really, not anyone who really has stood out in front of the others anyway.  And im including Republican candidates.  Anyone who votes straight party line, without even trying to see what this candidate stands for, is really a detriment to our nation and not an asset.  A democracy requires people to know, to think for themselves, and be apart of the government.  I cant understand how someone can assume that just because they are in such and such party that the candidates will essentially be doing whats best for the country. 


Funnily enough, I was out in West County St. Louis last night at a resteraunt with a buddy of mine, we'd gone out there because it was this brazilian resteraunt and I wanted to try it (I reccomend it) anyhow, we were laughing at the clones out there, they're just what you described.

"What do you mean you don't drive an SUV? Where's your Bush & Cheney 04 sticker? You don't appear to have a baseball cap on.. did you lose it?"

Kill them.

Funnily enough, I was out in West County St. Louis last night at a resteraunt with a buddy of mine, we'd gone out there because it was this brazilian resteraunt and I wanted to try it (I reccomend it) anyhow, we were laughing at the clones out there, they're just what you described.

"What do you mean you don't drive an SUV? Where's your Bush & Cheney 04 sticker? You don't appear to have a baseball cap on.. did you lose it?"

Kill them.


Actually, id rather put Got Jesus on my SUV.  ;D


I dont know when I'll be in St. Louis, but i'll try that restaurant out if I get a chance.  LoL. 

Actually, id rather put Got Jesus on my SUV.  ;D


I dont know when I'll be in St. Louis, but i'll try that restaurant out if I get a chance.  LoL. 


Oh come on through, it's not that bad, seriously.. we're that little dot of enlightenment in the great red expanse of the mid-west.  ;D

Oh come on through, it's not that bad, seriously.. we're that little dot of enlightenment in the great red expanse of the mid-west.  ;D


Im sure ill make it.  Its my goal to visit all 50 states and I haven't been to Missouri yet.

Actually, id rather put Got Jesus on my SUV.  ;D






I don't care if it rains of freezes
'Long as I got my Plastic Jesus
Riding on the dashboard of my car.
Through my trials and tribulations
And my travels through the nations
With my Plastic Jesus I'll go far.

  Plastic Jesus! Plastic Jesus,
  Riding on the dashboard of my car
  I'm afraid He'll have to go.
  His magnets ruin my radio
  And if I have a wreck He'll leave a scar.

Riding down a thoroughfare
With His nose up in the air,
A wreck may be ahead, but He don't mind.
Trouble coming He don't see,
He just keeps His eye on me
And any other thing that lies behind.

  Plastic Jesus! Plastic Jesus,
  Riding on the dashboard of my car ...
  Though the sunshine on His back
  Make Him peel, chip and crack,
  A little patching keeps Him up to par.

When I'm in a traffic jam
He don't care if I say "damn"
I can let all my curses roll
Plastic Jesus doesn't hear
'Cause he has a plastic ear
The man who invented plastic saved my soul.

  Plastic Jesus! Plastic Jesus,
  Riding on the dashboard of my car ...
  Once His robe was snowy white,
  Now it isn't quite so bright -
  Stained by the smoke of my cigar.

If I weave around at night,
And policemen think I'm tight,
They never find my bottle - though they ask.
Plastic Jesus shelters me,
For His head comes off, you see
He's hollow, and I use Him for a flask.

  Plastic Jesus! Plastic Jesus,
  Riding on the dashboard of my car ...
  Ride with me and have a dram
  Of the blood of the Lamb -
  Plastic Jesus is a holy bar.



Cat

Thanks Kath.

I've been saying this for a long time. George W. Bush.. is not.. I repeat, loudly IS NOT! a Republican. In no way, shape or form does he support the ideals of the actual Republican party.

George W. Bush is the Christian Candidate and America will not be safe until the Christian voice is silenced.. by any.. means.. necessary.

Davey, I've must disagree with you here.  The Republican Party is just a political organization.  Conservatism was the philosophy it embraced.  I think what you mean is: GWB is not a true conservative, ala Edmund Burke in the 18th century or Barry Goldwater in the 20th century.  What they are calling "conservatism" is fascism...not hyperbolic fascism, but literal fascism.  The scary thing is how deeply the fascism-masked-as-conservatism ideology is entrenched in the American psyche.  When Reagan came in, the true conservatives became the Libertarians, but even they got corrupted and the number true Libertarians shrank.  This shrinking accelerated after 9/11.  To my knowledge, racial hostility and belligerant nationalism have never been Libertarian principles.
The Christian Right was anathema to Libertarianism; however, self-proclaimed Libertarians were happy to join hands with the evangelical fruitcakes in a blind hatred for liberals. Certainly, low taxes is a tenet of Libertarian philosophy, but when the politicians cutting the taxes only cut them for the super-rich and raise taxes on everybody else (via higher payroll and consumption taxes), it's not really cutting taxes, merely shifting the burden.
To

I of course read other online newspapers, but I love the Salt Lake Tribune cause I can get replies like this one.  Oh wonderful Red Utah.

http://www.sltrib.com/opinion/ci_5922427

Brigham Nephi Taft Benson: 5/18/2007 4:18:00 PM  0   

It'll be a sad day when GWB leaves office, and socialist Give-me-your-babies-so-I-can-abort-them Hillary or Iraq Hussein Osama becomes president. It doesn't matter what their qualifications or ideas are, the only thing that matters is if they love God. Our country has been floating on a cloud of happiness and cheer for 7 years, thanks to our president who talks with God. When he leaves, all of this wonderfulness is going to leave, and we're going to actually have problems and issues for a change.

;D>:( ;D


My Response:

Brigham, I hope you are being sarcastic.  But if not, I can call names too.  How about Fascist Bush and Cheney.  Does that work?  There is a big problem in America today where people can't discuss issues in a civil manner.  Its always about God, name calling, and im right and you are wrong.  Makes me feel so much safer that Bush's head has been in the clouds these past 7 years, while our country has very extensive problems that will probably take awhile to get under control.  You talk about qualifications?  What, if any, qualifications does Bush have?  As far as I have seen, he is an idiot.  Ranks up there with Ulysses S. Grant with his failure to control his administration, the scandals, and just plain stupidity.  If God is on his side, then I have serious doubts about religion in this country.

SY, this kind of semi-psychotic rambling is everywhere in right-wing journalism.  I wouldn't let it get under your skin.
George W. Bush is the worst president bar none.

Davey, I've must disagree with you here.  The Republican Party is just a political organization.  Conservatism was the philosophy it embraced.  I think what you mean is: GWB is not a true conservative, ala Edmund Burke in the 18th century or Barry Goldwater in the 20th century.  What they are calling "conservatism" is fascism...not hyperbolic fascism, but literal fascism.  The scary thing is how deeply the fascism-masked-as-conservatism ideology is entrenched in the American psyche.  When Reagan came in, the true conservatives became the Libertarians, but even they got corrupted and the number true Libertarians shrank.  This shrinking accelerated after 9/11.  To my knowledge, racial hostility and belligerant nationalism have never been Libertarian principles.
The Christian Right was anathema to Libertarianism; however, self-proclaimed Libertarians were happy to join hands with the evangelical fruitcakes in a blind hatred for liberals. Certainly, low taxes is a tenet of Libertarian philosophy, but when the politicians cutting the taxes only cut them for the super-rich and raise taxes on everybody else (via higher payroll and consumption taxes), it's not really cutting taxes, merely shifting the burden.
ToSY, this kind of semi-psychotic rambling is everywhere in right-wing journalism.  I wouldn't let it get under your skin.
George W. Bush is the worst president bar none.


You have actually managed to say it better, that's a fair point. He dosen't represent the true ideals that the great republicans did.

...socialist Give-me-your-babies-so-I-can-abort-them Hillary or Iraq Hussein Osama becomes president. It doesn't matter what their qualifications or ideas are, the only thing that matters is if they love God.

I hope he's being a little sardonic... but the ad hominems and really nasty personal attacks really sicken me.  There hasn't been an election fought on policy or competence for years :(


If God is on his side, then I have serious doubts about religion in this country.

I've had serious doubts about religion in that country for a long time... but seriously, I have often argued that religion should never have any part in politics - and anyone who thinks he has a direct line to God should on no account be allowed into any position of power whatsoever.


Last I heard Bush's approval rating was 22%  which means 88% now thinks the man sucks at his job.

er...that's 78%, presumably ;)

I hope he's being a little sardonic... but the ad hominems and really nasty personal attacks really sicken me.  There hasn't been an election fought on policy or competence for years :(
I've had serious doubts about religion in that country for a long time... but seriously, I have often argued that religion should never have any part in politics - and anyone who thinks he has a direct line to God should on no account be allowed into any position of power whatsoever.
er...that's 78%, presumably ;)



*spaceace uses calculator*  well whaddaya know. 

P.S. karma for the correction.

I hope he's being a little sardonic... but the ad hominems and really nasty personal attacks really sicken me.  There hasn't been an election fought on policy or competence for years :(
I've had serious doubts about religion in that country for a long time... but seriously, I have often argued that religion should never have any part in politics - and anyone who thinks he has a direct line to God should on no account be allowed into any position of power whatsoever.
er...that's 78%, presumably ;)



Ya, the math is good.  I prefer 88 percent though.  Ha Ha.  Think that boggles my mind is that there are people that actually think he is doing a good job. 

Church and state should be seperated.  Your right, no one who says they have a direct line of God should not be in a position of power at all. 

Personal attacks I think are what the right wing do best.  They like to bully people.  Kind of like why they instill fear in us about terrorism and 9/11.  Crock of sheesh.  We would be better off if we would just realize that the bad people are out there, try to protect us the best we can, and stop living in fear.  None of these issues are really relevant though.  Abortion doesn't determine whether a country makes it or not.  Gay rights do not determine a successful country.  These are personal issues that really have no point being in politics. 

P.S. karma for the correction.

:)  Isn't that a song by Culture Club?


Gay rights do not determine a successful country.  These are personal issues that really have no point being in politics. 

I find it really quite amusing that some people really think that their omnipotent, omniscient creator of everything actually cares about sexual orientation - from a cosmic perspective, why on earth would he give a s**t?  It's one more thing of many that so obviously has its roots in human prejudice rather than deific abomination...

:)  Isn't that a song by Culture Club?
I find it really quite amusing that some people really think that their omnipotent, omniscient creator of everything actually cares about sexual orientation - from a cosmic perspective, why on earth would he give a s**t?  It's one more thing of many that so obviously has its roots in human prejudice rather than deific abomination...


Nope, that would be Karma Cameleon.

If they say we're all made in God's image wouldn't that also include gay people?  Being that if you believe the scientific evidence that sexual orientation is not a choice.

Nope, that would be Karma Cameleon.

If they say we're all made in God's image wouldn't that also include gay people?  Being that if you believe the scientific evidence that sexual orientation is not a choice.


Do you wanna be made in God's image?




I like to think i'm prettier than Him...

Do you wanna be made in God's image?

http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h277/pips24s/God3.jpg


I like to think i'm prettier than Him...


Of course you know that painting was done by a man.  ::)

Of course you know that painting was done by a man.  ::)


A GAY man ;)

A GAY man ;)


We didn't ask and I don't think he's telling.

Isn't that Osama Bin Laden up there?

Why don't we ever see a clean-shaven rendering of the Almighty.
The Bible says you're not supposed to trim the corners of your beard, Pat Robertson and James Dobson!

Davey, I've must disagree with you here.  The Republican Party is just a political organization.  Conservatism was the philosophy it embraced.  I think what you mean is: GWB is not a true conservative, ala Edmund Burke in the 18th century or Barry Goldwater in the 20th century.  What they are calling "conservatism" is fascism...not hyperbolic fascism, but literal fascism.  The scary thing is how deeply the fascism-masked-as-conservatism ideology is entrenched in the American psyche.  When Reagan came in, the true conservatives became the Libertarians, but even they got corrupted and the number true Libertarians shrank.  This shrinking accelerated after 9/11.  To my knowledge, racial hostility and belligerant nationalism have never been Libertarian principles.
The Christian Right was anathema to Libertarianism; however, self-proclaimed Libertarians were happy to join hands with the evangelical fruitcakes in a blind hatred for liberals. Certainly, low taxes is a tenet of Libertarian philosophy, but when the politicians cutting the taxes only cut them for the super-rich and raise taxes on everybody else (via higher payroll and consumption taxes), it's not really cutting taxes, merely shifting the burden.


Quoting you in full for truth, bolding the part I'm really talking about.

No, we didn't join hands with the fundies in a blind hatred for (fiscal liberals) socialists.  We joined hands with the fundies under Reagan because we knew damn well we could use the fundies' votes, even if we had no use for their policies.  The plan was to beat the commies by using the fundies' votes (against the "godless" commies) by promising them whatever they wanted, and then not passing the fundie legislation.  Vote for us!  We'll bring God to the Russian heathens and ban abortion!  (Actually, all we wanted to do was trade with the Russians and bring 'em capitalism, and to hell with the fundies.  We'll bring their bills to the floor, and then kill the bill in committee.  If we ever gave the fundies their theocracy, they'd lose any reason to vote for us!)

The genius of Karl Rove was that he realized this worked the other way around.  Karl realized that the fundies not only outnumbered us, but were much easier to manipulate.  Why not get the 30% of the fundies on board -- and only pay lip service to fiscal conservatism instead?  Cut, rather than eliminate, capital gains taxes, and  form a study group to recommend partial privatization, (rather than replacement with private accounts owned by the investor) of Socialist Insecurity. 

"If they ever gave the libertarians their economic freedoms, they'd lose any reason to vote for us!"

Hell, we duped the fundies into voting for the Elephant Party for 20 years, and gave them nothing.  It's only fair that the guys running the Elephant Party got to turn around and do the same to us for the past 5.  Turnabout is always fair play in politics :)

i dont get where people say this board is biased liberal. there seem to be a lot of conservatives here, and some, like the above, are actually pretty articulate.

i dont get where people say this board is biased liberal. there seem to be a lot of conservatives here, and some, like the above, are actually pretty articulate.


And it can be a civilized debate.  Who would have thought?  LoL.  I see so much hate on other forums that they fail to make any point at all inside all the rubbish.  Ive seen it on both sides. 

My favorite lately has been this one:

Crap, Iraq became the central point in the war on terrorist. We should have made our homeland the central point, just like previous administrations did.
  That lying Bush put a stop to attacks on us here at home! How dare he do that!
  What is he going to do next? Allow all peoples and nations to exercise freedom?
  One thing about it, you know where he stands and what he believes in - what Liberal Democrat can you say that about - NONE!
  Freedom is for eveyone, not just for the oppressed when it is convenient for Liberal Democrats who get outsmarted (in their words), tricked (in their words), lied to (Kerry was Chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee), brain washed (in their words) yet still believe they are capable of loving Muslim Terrorists into changing their beliefs and leaving the Free World alone.
  I was for the war before - o-o-o-h, never mind, lol!


Well, guess everyone is entitled to what they believe.

^why can't i read something like that without thinking of lterhune.

god i miss her. :(

^why can't i read something like that without thinking of lterhune.

god i miss her. :(


Oh beautiful,please come back!

I had to quote you,to get the truth :D

Quoting you in full for truth, bolding the part I'm really talking about.

No, we didn't join hands with the fundies in a blind hatred for (fiscal liberals) socialists.  We joined hands with the fundies under Reagan because we knew damn well we could use the fundies' votes, even if we had no use for their policies.  The plan was to beat the commies by using the fundies' votes (against the "godless" commies) by promising them whatever they wanted, and then not passing the fundie legislation.  Vote for us!  We'll bring God to the Russian heathens and ban abortion!  (Actually, all we wanted to do was trade with the Russians and bring 'em capitalism, and to hell with the fundies.  We'll bring their bills to the floor, and then kill the bill in committee.  If we ever gave the fundies their theocracy, they'd lose any reason to vote for us!)

The genius of Karl Rove was that he realized this worked the other way around.  Karl realized that the fundies not only outnumbered us, but were much easier to manipulate.  Why not get the 30% of the fundies on board -- and only pay lip service to fiscal conservatism instead?   Cut, rather than eliminate, capital gains taxes, and  form a study group to recommend partial privatization, (rather than replacement with private accounts owned by the investor) of Socialist Insecurity. 

"If they ever gave the libertarians their economic freedoms, they'd lose any reason to vote for us!"

Hell, we duped the fundies into voting for the Elephant Party for 20 years, and gave them nothing.  It's only fair that the guys running the Elephant Party got to turn around and do the same to us for the past 5.  Turnabout is always fair play in politics :)


What did the Libertarians get from the Republican party of Ronald Reagan and the Georges Bush?

To list a few:

Sky-high national debt, which compromises our very national sovereignty.
A secretive police state unaccountable to the people.
A meddlesome and belligerent foreign policy.
Federal bullying of state sovereignty with legislation such as "No Child Left Behind" and the universal drinking age of 21.
A cabal of crusty old politicians who think a woman's uterus is their business.
The federal government subsidizing mega-corporations and hanging the entrepeneur and the small farmer out to dry.

Sir, that is not Libertarianism, that is fascism.  OK, they cut your taxes in the short run, but sold your kids butts down the river to do it.

Frankly, you saying the Republican Party cynically played the Christian Right reminds of the time Pee-Wee Herman fell off his bike and said to the onlookers, "I meant to do that!"
:D

Oh beautiful,please come back!

I had to quote you,to get the truth :D


i dunno what to tell ya, i like getting berated. it's weird.

Frankly, you saying the Republican Party cynically played the Christian Right reminds of the time Pee-Wee Herman fell off his bike and said to the onlookers, "I meant to do that!" :D


Oh, to make no mistake, I'm laughing at myself when I point it out. 

Plain and simple, we screwed up.  Under Reagan, Bush I, and Clinton I, we really did sell those rubes down the river.  We got a lot more of our agenda accomplished than the fundies did.  We threw the fundies the occasional bone, but in general, the economy boomed,  taxes were still lower (even after Bush I and Clinton I's hikes) than they were under Carter, and entitlement spending was starting to shrink.

Under Bush II, we felt kinda weird as soon as we saw the farm subsidy bill, the steel tariff bill, and we'd figured we'd been snookered by the time we got to NCLB and Medicare.  I appreciate the tax cut, but it was just a fig leaf; by the time of the Schiavo debacle, it was perfectly clear that we economic conservatives were the ones being taken for a ride, and that the fundies were the ones who controlled policy.  Tax reform and Social Security privatization were dead in the water the day after the 2004 election, and we knew it.  But by then, it was too late.  At least we know what the fundies must have felt like from 1980-1999.  That's Karma :)

Oh, to make no mistake, I'm laughing at myself when I point it out. 

Plain and simple, we screwed up.  Under Reagan, Bush I, and Clinton I, we really did sell those rubes down the river.  We got a lot more of our agenda accomplished than the fundies did.  We threw the fundies the occasional bone, but in general, the economy boomed,   taxes were still lower (even after Bush I and Clinton I's hikes) than they were under Carter, and entitlement spending was starting to shrink.

Under Bush II, we felt kinda weird as soon as we saw the farm subsidy bill, the steel tariff bill, and we'd figured we'd been snookered by the time we got to NCLB and Medicare.  I appreciate the tax cut, but it was just a fig leaf; by the time of the Schiavo debacle, it was perfectly clear that we economic conservatives were the ones being taken for a ride, and that the fundies were the ones who controlled policy.  Tax reform and Social Security privatization were dead in the water the day after the 2004 election, and we knew it.  But by then, it was too late.  At least we know what the fundies must have felt like from 1980-1999.  That's Karma :)

I agree with you on some things here, I disagree with you some things here, but please don't say "Clinton I," that implies we're going to have "Clinton II," and that Clinton will be, you know, that Clinton!  Oh, the thought...it ain't a pretty sight to see a grown man cry!
http://www.inthe00s.com/smile/02/bluecry1.gif

I agree with you on some things here, I disagree with you some things here, but please don't say "Clinton I," that implies we're going to have "Clinton II," and that Clinton will be, you know, that Clinton!  Oh, the thought...it ain't a pretty sight to see a grown man cry!


Aaw, c'mon.  2016's a little too late for Bush III to be Jeb, but Jenna and Barbara will be 35 by then.  If they jello-wrestle to see who gets the first term, they can hand it over to Chelsea to be Clinton III in 2020, and the losing twin will be 48 - prime Presidential age - in 2028, to be Bush IV.  There's even enough wiggle room in there for all three to be two-term Presidents. 

That's 2008-2016 for Clinton II (and you'd better hope she gets both terms, or we'll need at least one term of Jeb!), 2016-2024 for Bush III, 2024-2032 for Chelsea, and 2032-2040 for Bush IV.  If Jeb subs in for a term, we might even get a Bush V out of it. 

No wonder so many of the Kennedys have drinking problems!

Aaw, c'mon.  2016's a little too late for Bush III to be Jeb, but Jenna and Barbara will be 35 by then.  If they jello-wrestle to see who gets the first term, they can hand it over to Chelsea to be Clinton III in 2020, and the losing twin will be 48 - prime Presidential age - in 2028, to be Bush IV.  There's even enough wiggle room in there for all three to be two-term Presidents. 

That's 2008-2016 for Clinton II (and you'd better hope she gets both terms, or we'll need at least one term of Jeb!), 2016-2024 for Bush III, 2024-2032 for Chelsea, and 2032-2040 for Bush IV.  If Jeb subs in for a term, we might even get a Bush V out of it. 

No wonder so many of the Kennedys have drinking problems!
and they say politics is boring. this would all make a brilliant made-for-t.v. movie.

and they say politics is boring. this would all make a brilliant made-for-t.v. movie.


I was kinda thinking of a soap opera.  You know, the one that began with "D" and wasn't "Dallas" :)

I was kinda thinking of a soap opera.  You know, the one that began with "D" and wasn't "Dallas" :)

Who shot JR?

Who shot JR?


It was a conspiracy, there were two shooters. 

Who shot JR?



;D  too funny.

First, Foo said it wasn't Dallas, so it must be Dynasty.

Second, contrary to what Scott thinks, there was no conspiracy and just one shooter  (Kristen)

But you and Scott gave more entertaining answers!  :D

Well, I guess there is nothing better than getting some popcorn and a soad, kicking back, and watching the political soap opera. 

Wonder what the theme music would sound like.  Nothing like T.V. theme music. 

However, I think some Bush twin's pornos would be better, but I guess we will have to make do with what we get.  :o    ;D

Well, I guess there is nothing better than getting some popcorn and a soad, kicking back, and watching the political soap opera. 

Wonder what the theme music would sound like.  Nothing like T.V. theme music. 

However, I think some Bush twin's pornos would be better, but I guess we will have to make do with what we get.   :o    ;D



I'm thinking the music they used in 1984 or One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest

Great!  There are some visuals that I didn't need before I go to bed!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Thanks, Scott!  :P  ;D

I'm thinking the music they used in 1984 or One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest



Eurythmics vs. Jack Nitzsche
Hell of a mash-up!
:D

Eurythmics vs. Jack Nitzsche
Hell of a mash-up!
:D


"Would I Lie, Cuckoo?"