I don\'t like the idea of a prison building. It\'s expensive, dangerous, and the only way to make it not cruel is to allow cable TV in there, which is stupid.  I think we should choose an island in the Pacific somewhere and build a Crook City for criminals to live in, instead of putting them in prisons. The only way they could come back is by swimming or building a boat.

There are three ways to achieve greatness: some are born Australian, some immigrate to Australia, and some have Australian residency thrust upon them.

Personally, I have long supported the idea of building a penal facility in Central Alaska.  Make it at least 100 miles from the nearest settlement, and have the only access be by rail or air.

And I have also long thought that the world needs a "non-country", where everybody that is not welcome elsewhere can be sent.  A good example of what I mean is the 600 detainees in GitMo, where neither their home country or the country they are captured in wants them.  These people are stuck, and there is simply no place that they can be sent.  This way there is a place to send people like this.  Simply give it a "Government" and police force supplied by the UN, and give them
"subsistance" supplies.  Allow the construction of light industries, and a way for the people there to request entry into other countries.

What in God's name gives you the delusion it is cheap to run a "penal colony"?
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Personally, I have long supported the idea of building a penal facility in Central Alaska.  Make it at least 100 miles from the nearest settlement, and have the only access be by rail or air.
Bill O'Reilly supports the same thing.  It's an attractive idea...like any new idea...until you get bogged down in all the unexpected details and expenses.  You know who would run it, of course, Blackwater Security.  There would be homicide, suicide, rape, torture, slave labor, and bilking billions out of the taxpayers...all a thousand miles from any prying eyes.  Swell idea.  Just dandy.

And I have also long thought that the world needs a "non-country", where everybody that is not welcome elsewhere can be sent.
Create the non-country and the non-people will follow.  Some people around here think seem to think Kafka is an instruction manual!

There would be homicide, suicide, rape, torture, slave labor


.. and it's bad that the criminals are eradicating themselves because.. why exactly?

I'm all for putting them all in together and letting nature take it's course.

It could be cheap to run a penal colony. It would be an anarchic society, we wouldn\\\'t pay to supply it, we\\\'d just pay to build it. It would be like any other country except there were no rules, so the people there would always fight with each other. It\\\'s a good idea for a book.

It could be cheap to run a penal colony. It would be an anarchic society, we wouldn\\\'t pay to supply it, we\\\'d just pay to build it. It would be like any other country except there were no rules, so the people there would always fight with each other. It\\\'s a good idea for a book.


what's up with the \\\? Makes it hard to read what you're saying.

what's up with the \\\? Makes it hard to read what you're saying.


I know someone else who does that. Can't be the same person though, since they were BANNED.

I know someone else who does that. Can't be the same person though, since they were BANNED.


I wonder if they've got 30 bucks???

I wonder if they've got 30 bucks???


*snort*

Wrong member, but they're both equally.............................amusing.

What in God's name gives you the delusion it is cheap to run a "penal colony"?
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Bill O'Reilly supports the same thing.  It's an attractive idea...like any new idea...until you get bogged down in all the unexpected details and expenses.  You know who would run it, of course, Blackwater Security.  There would be homicide, suicide, rape, torture, slave labor, and bilking billions out of the taxpayers...all a thousand miles from any prying eyes.  Swell idea.  Just dandy.



All you've got to do is not allow yourself to be bogged down...

Let 'em kill each other off, if they're enough of a menace to society to be sent there...why bother with any more security than a few roving patrol boats and a few machine guns??  If they're swimming more than 100 yards off shore, they're trying to escape...simple enough solution for that problem......

Only one rule would apply...don't be more than 100 yards off shore or suffer the consequences....

No billions needed....no real expense at all after the initial "building" if you can call straw huts building....

All you've got to do is not allow yourself to be bogged down...

Let 'em kill each other off, if they're enough of a menace to society to be sent there...why bother with any more security than a few roving patrol boats and a few machine guns??  If they're swimming more than 100 yards off shore, they're trying to escape...simple enough solution for that problem......

Only one rule would apply...don't be more than 100 yards off shore or suffer the consequences....

No billions needed....no real expense at all after the initial "building" if you can call straw huts building....


We should take over the prison system!

Great points. Yeah, it's simple. Co-Exist, or don't exist. Simple, very simple. Let the scum get rid of themselves.

Youse guys are just tryin' to get a rise outta me!
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Why did they close Alcatraz?  Because it wasn't cost effective.  Too expensive.

As for put 'em all together and let nature take its course, that's a joke you may share amongst yourselves.  I mean....you can't be serious!
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What in God's name gives you the delusion it is cheap to run a "penal colony"?
:D
Bill O'Reilly supports the same thing. 

I honestly never knew that.  I actually got the idea from the Gulags in the old Soviet Union.  They were put up in the middle of nowhere, where escape was largely impossible because of the remoteness of the camp.  Plus I have been to Alaska several times, and it truely is "The Last Frontier".

But I would not support any kind of torture, abuse, or anything like that.  And with train access, you could rotate personel in to serve 2 week shifts.  Oil platform workers normally spend more time in much more remote conditions then that all the time.

I honestly never knew that.  I actually got the idea from the Gulags in the old Soviet Union.  They were put up in the middle of nowhere, where escape was largely impossible because of the remoteness of the camp.  Plus I have been to Alaska several times, and it truely is "The Last Frontier".

But I would not support any kind of torture, abuse, or anything like that.  And with train access, you could rotate personel in to serve 2 week shifts.  Oil platform workers normally spend more time in much more remote conditions then that all the time.

Yes, comrade, the Politburo did not support the use of torture, abuse, or anything like that either.  If you asked that's what they'd say.  The Soviet Union, in her great love for her people, assigned those infected by imperialist propaganda to re-education facilities where they would be rehabilitated.  The "gulags" provided badly needed labor for the growing socialist republics while protecting the salt-of-the-erth proletariat from the corrupting influences of running dogs of imperialism, intellectual eggheads, and those Jews.

....And so, my comrades, we find ourselves four thousand miles into the Siberian tundra where we join Sasha and Nikolai digging trenches in the permafrost on 100 calories a day, all the while saying, "What a great mistake the Kremlin has made,  if only Comrade Stalin new of the slanderous charges against us, if only Comrade Stalin new of this atrocious place!" 

You cannot trust our government to manage a halfway decent healthcare delivery system for the innocent, and yet the same government would develop for the guilty a humane and uncorruptible....gulag archipelago...huh?  Say what?  Come again?
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Well, you'll have to take this matter up with old Alexandr Solzhenitsyn, he knows a thing or two about a thing or two when it comes to penal colonies!

Penal Colonies???  :o
Isn't that what the british did in North America ?
You put a bunch of criminals in one place and they build the land of the free and the home of the brave,you gotta thank them for their great vision ;D

Penal Colonies???  :o
Isn't that what the british did in North America ?
You put a bunch of criminals in one place and they build the land of the free and the home of the brave,you gotta thank them for their great vision ;D


Prior to the colonial era, the Britsh just strung everybody up.  In the colonial era, they either hanged criminals or transported them.
Hanging: death now.
Transport: death in a little while.

Transport: death in a little while.


Well, it sure did not work that way, did it?

But that's OK, because they got their revenge.  Becasue a few decades ago, Australia struck back by exporting Paul Hogan back to the UK (and the rest of the world).

As for put 'em all together and let nature take its course, that's a joke you may share amongst yourselves.  I mean....you can't be serious!
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Why not?

Should we be protecting these poor little darlings?  ::) Theyr'e scum. Let them kill each other.

Well, it sure did not work that way, did it?

But that's OK, because they got their revenge.  Becasue a few decades ago, Australia struck back by exporting Paul Hogan back to the UK (and the rest of the world).



Most convicts transported to the colonies and most poor people who came over as indentured servants died within a few years.  Disease was the biggest culprit.  Enough of these populations did survive for their descendents to live all over Australia and all over America, but the death rate in colonial times was so high it's almost unfathomable to us int the 21st century!
Slaves had a better shot at survival than indentured servants/convicts.
(Now, boys and girls, this is not a green light for a pro-slavery argument one of you is bound to make....)
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Huh huh huh... You said penal    :D