Recently I heard of a new movie that is coming out soon, and it stars Dakota Fanning. It is called, "Hound Dogs"...and in it, there is an explicit rape scene involving 12 year old Dakota's character. Of course the scene is simulated, however, she appears nude, and apparently then again, in only underwear.  IMO, there would be NO amount of money or fame to which I would allow my child to participate in that kind of act.  I understand that she is very mature (intelligent) for her age....but nevertheless, she is still a child.


Here's an article that I found regarding this movie, it was written by Paul Petersen, President & Founder, AMC (he also was a child star when he was younger).


http://www.minorcon.org/dakota_fanning1.html

I've often wondered what these parents think. I wouldn't even be allowed in a film where I have to swear, much less one where I'm being raped. :o

I've often wondered what these parents think. I wouldn't even be allowed in a film where I have to swear, much less one where I'm being raped. :o



I know what you mean. Could you imagine being the parent, sitting there, watching your child act that out? :o

It's a movie. No biggie. If somebody came along and said "Yo, we're gonna give you a couple million to do a scene where your daughter is nude." I'd be all - 'Sweet, sign my ass up.'

It's a movie. No biggie. If somebody came along and said "Yo, we're gonna give you a couple million to do a scene where your daughter is nude." I'd be all - 'Sweet, sign my ass up.'



12 year olds should not be nude...in any movie.

12 year olds should not be nude...in any movie.


Well, I don't get my kicks off naked 12 year olds. But it really dosen't bother me. Anyway can be naked if they wanna in my opinion. At least she's getting a ton of cash for it instead of being paid $20 to sit in front of a camera and frig herself then have it posted on the Internet.

Sounds repulsive. I won't see the movie.  I wouldn't see it anyway.  

What is more unhealthy is the way the christofascists will use this issue to push their own regressive agenda.  We have very powerful people who want to restrict entertainment even adults can consume to a G-rated Hayes Commission era level.  

I can see Bill O'Reilly and Wendy Murphy bawling about Dakota Fanny on FOX News while that very night millions of American children will be hungry, homeless, and living in fear.  

Is it really any worse then a 12 year old Brooke Shields in Pretty Baby?

In that movie, she was raised in a brothel, and her virginity was auctioned off to the highest bidder.  It seems that every few years, a movie like this comes out.  I find it distastefull myself, but I doubt it will ever be stopped.

It's a movie. No biggie. If somebody came along and said "Yo, we're gonna give you a couple million to do a scene where your daughter is nude." I'd be all - 'Sweet, sign my ass up.'


I think if it were your child you would feel differently.

Well, I don't get my kicks off naked 12 year olds. But it really dosen't bother me. Anyway can be naked if they wanna in my opinion. At least she's getting a ton of cash for it instead of being paid $20 to sit in front of a camera and frig herself then have it posted on the Internet.



but what I am saying is, how can a mother sit there and watch a simulated rape scene, involving her 12 year old daughter...and think there is nothing wrong with that?  It's quite apparent that money/fame is the only reason behind her being ok with this...and to me, that is just sick.

Is it really any worse then a 12 year old Brooke Shields in Pretty Baby?

In that movie, she was raised in a brothel, and her virginity was auctioned off to the highest bidder.  It seems that every few years, a movie like this comes out.  I find it distastefull myself, but I doubt it will ever be stopped.


Pretty Baby was bad enough.  Yes she was nude (topless?) and yes she was sold to the highest bidder, but did we see the man brutalize her?

Pretty Baby was bad enough.  Yes she was nude (topless?) and yes she was sold to the highest bidder, but did we see the man brutalize her?

Don't forget Jodie Foster in "Taxi Driver."  At leas TD was a great movie, "Pretty Baby" was a piece of garbage.  Critics called Larry Clark a pedophile for his movie "Kids," but if you watch that movie, it's really muckraking against adolescent promiscuity.  Larry Clark isn't a pedophile, I do think he's an ephebophile--attraction to postpubescent youth.

Anyway, you don't like what you hear, don't go see the film.  Let the free market decide!

It's a movie. No biggie. If somebody came along and said "Yo, we're gonna give you a couple million to do a scene where your daughter is nude." I'd be all - 'Sweet, sign my ass up.'
er, i mean, sign HER ass up. i'll be here ordering easy chairs and sports cars on amazon!

can you imagine what jodie foster's parents were thinking letting her play that role in taxi driver at 13 or whatever she was? society is a lot more strict about that now than it was even in the 1970s, i'm surprised this is happening with dakota fanning at all.

i mean, would you ever see a picture like THIS today?

http://kimrichards.net/Kim/clippings/gmbc-Richards(TigerBeatAug79)-01.jpg

shocking! :o

i mean, would you ever see a picture like THIS today?

http://kimrichards.net/Kim/clippings/gmbc-Richards(TigerBeatAug79)-01.jpg



No way!  Rollerskates have been out of style for 20 years!
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I may be heartless or something, but it doesn't sound like a big thing to me. I'm sure she'll have a body-double.

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No way!  Rollerskates have been out of style for 20 years!
:-\\
true, it was irresponsible for me to post that. i've edited it for safe family viewing.

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I may be heartless or something, but it doesn't sound like a big thing to me. I'm sure she'll have a body-double.

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I don't think she will. Every account I read of it says that she will be clad only in her underwear or less.

Well, I don't get my kicks off naked 12 year olds. But it really dosen't bother me. Anyway can be naked if they wanna in my opinion. At least she's getting a ton of cash for it instead of being paid $20 to sit in front of a camera and frig herself then have it posted on the Internet.



here's the thing though....YOU certainly don't get your kicks off of naked 12 year olds...BUT, there are MANY of sickos that do. I am sure there are many pervs out there who are excited about seeing some of Dakota's skin...and that's what makes it so sick. I can't imagine knowing that people like that are tuning in to watch my 12 year old kid. ::)

I with Andy and Erin on this.  I'm not into 12 year old girls, so this is not something that will be even remotely arousing, sexual, exciting or any other adjective like that to me.  It's an actor, playing a role, in a movie.  However....she is 12 years old and if that was my kid, you better believe there'd be a body double and mucho mucho editing.  I know that younger actors want to make a name for themselves in this business and I think it's great she wants to take on more mature roles and do more than just kiddie movies, but this is too adult for a 12 year old.

Now, from what little I do know about children in the movie industry, there will a sh*tload of child labor representives on the set, her parents will be there, and probably some kiddy counselors or something.  So like Andy said, she's not going to be in a dark room with shady adults and a video camera. 

One has to wonder if this is legalized child molestation.  Since she is 12, she would have to have a parent or guardians consent to do anything.  There are cases were someone accused of a sexual crime against a minor has done less than what this movie is depicting.  The nude scene, if the normal Joe schmo would have had he daughter pose nude he'd be jailed for child pornography.  But then again this is Hollywood, norms have never really applied.

I read about how that was done and apparently she is practically alone when that stuff is done.
so sh'es not really involved in that.
i'm sure it will leave some scars, but it's highly possible she's smart enough to know the difference between reality and what is fake.

i know there are morons out there that believe movies. but you can't think of eveyone.

we'll have to wait till itcomes out to judge.

Big budget cinematic technology is key here. What you may be seeing is a pubescent-appearing 20-year-old, not little Ms. Fanning.

There was a disturbing scene in the film "Traffic" depicting a 16-year-old character having sex with a drug dealer.  Erika Christensen was 18 years old at that time, and no sex act took place.  Opponents of "virtual child pornography" prohibition cite that scene in their arguments. 

Whether or not the makers of "Traffic" intended the scene to be arousing is another question.  They could have conveyed the message that Caroline Wakefield was coerced into sex to get her fix without simulating the actual sex.  I found this scene upsetting because female drug addicts (some of them in their teens) are routinely obliged to service their dealers. In that context, I did not find the scene arousing, I found it nauseating.  I'm sure millions of viewers felt tingly instead!
:P

As for the phenomenon of "fake" underage pornography, it may disgust you, but if no minors are being violated, you don't have a crime.  If you start punishing people for theater and thought....
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I may be heartless or something, but it doesn't sound like a big thing to me. I'm sure she'll have a body-double.

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  However....she is 12 years old and if that was my kid, you better believe there'd be a body double and mucho mucho editing.


So, it would be better if some other 12 year girl was acting in this simulated rape scene? Forgive me, I don't see the logic...

This schit happens in every day life all the time, are we so blind now that we have to hide the problems in society and not let them be aired at all?
Reminds me of the documentary the BBC did on homelessness 'Cathy Come Home'. It was watched by 12,000,000 people the first time it aired, a vast percentage of whom refused to believe that the scenes in it could happen in real life.
I'm certain that the young girl in this scene won't be subjected to ANY sort of sexual act, it's a movie folks, there's nothing real going on.

I wonder how many people in here were opponants of the Child Online Protection Act.

This 1996 law was the object of a lot of attacks, including the ACLU.  One of the things that this outlawed was the depiction of sex acts "either real or imaginary" between adults and minors, or between minors and minors.  The law was in effect less then a year before it was overturned.

And some of the opponants of attempts ro revive this bill point to popular movies and books, that would be impossible to remake if this law was put into effect.  Lolita, Children In The Attic, Go Ask Alice, The Mary Kay Laturno Story, and a great many more books and movies (ranging from chapters of The Bible, to an accurate depiction of Romeo & Juliet) could never be filmed if this was brought back.

In the end, the only way to show opposition to this kind of movie is to vote with your pocketbook.  Simply refuse to ever watch-rent-buy this movie.  Because making a movie to outlaw this kind of thing will simply prevent a lot of other movie makers from making movies with a similar story, that people do not object to.

Get a freaking clue. If your all gonna cry over this then get yer buts out to LA county where on any given week there are 50 to 200 hookers all under  the age of 18.....Do something about them. This country is such a farce. Cry about a little 12 year old doing a movie. Where were you all when Linda Blair was doing her thing?
How many underage kids wind up in La on a yearly basis? The numbers are staggering. How do we as a country cry about this, then do nothing about the runaway problem in which 75% of the girls either wind up dead or junkies. They say that on a yearly basis thousands of runaways hit Cal every year.  20% of them wind up in the porn or sleaze smut films.

I don't have a problem with someone like her doing a movie as it is all under strict codes for a named film and company.  But there are much more major issues to be dealt with then getting up in arms over this.

Where were you all when Linda Blair was doing her thing?
i for one was about eight years old myself! ;D
actually i largely agree with you but there's something about the way you phrase you argument that makes me not WANT to agree with you!

Where were you all when Linda Blair was doing her thing?

How many underage kids wind up in La on a yearly basis? The numbers are staggering.


SO true, I forgot about Linda and her Cross in The Exorcist.  Yet another thing that could not be remade if strict "child censorship" were enacted.

And it is not just LA.  San Francisco has long been a haven for teenage runaways.  As well as New York, Florida, Las Vegas, New Orleans, Texas, Portland, Seattle, Anchorage, and a great many other cities.  But the numbers in LA really are staggering.  IN my months living in LA homeless shelters, I knew dozens of teenage runaways, from all areas of the country.  Most were actually trying to raise money to return home (so they claimed).  A lot of others were simply trying to raise money to go "elsewhere".

I remember one group (in 2002) that finally raised enough money to buy a van.  They all loaded into it one morning (about 8 of them), and headed off to Nebraska.  Why Nebraska?  Well, one of them heard about a logging camp that would hire people and provide room & board, no questions asked.  Most of them were probably 15-17, with a few being 18 or 19.

Odds are, they got half-way across the country before the van died.  Or if they did make it to Nebraska, they found that the "logging camp" was just another fantasy.  I know that in Panama City Florida, there are large numbers of runaways and homeless that flock there in the summer.  The same is seen all around the Gulf Coast.

And most are addicts of one sort or another.  Quite a few resort to either prostitution or theft to support themselves.  And they live in almost every city in the country with a population over 200,000 people.

And the sad thing, is that they will always be there.  You will always have people either running away from something, or running to something.  And the vast majority either never escape what they are running from, and never find what they are running to.

Recently I heard of a new movie that is coming out soon, and it stars Dakota Fanning. It is called, "Hound Dogs"...and in it, there is an explicit rape scene involving 12 year old Dakota's character. Of course the scene is simulated, however, she appears nude, and apparently then again, in only underwear.  IMO, there would be NO amount of money or fame to which I would allow my child to participate in that kind of act.  I understand that she is very mature (intelligent) for her age....but nevertheless, she is still a child.


Here's an article that I found regarding this movie, it was written by Paul Petersen, President & Founder, AMC (he also was a child star when he was younger).


http://www.minorcon.org/dakota_fanning1.html


Maybe you wouldn't, but she and her parents can work it out in family therapy at the rehab center in 2017. As people have said, noooobooodyyy should care about this millionaire, spoiled-brat 12-year old. It sounds gross, but we live in a country where DYFS, meant to protect children, is so incompetent, it leads them to be starved and tortured.

As people have said, noooobooodyyy should care about this millionaire, spoiled-brat 12-year old.


She's a spoiled brat?  Everything I've read about her has been to the contrary.

Maybe you wouldn't, but she and her parents can work it out in family therapy at the rehab center in 2017. As people have said, noooobooodyyy should care about this millionaire, spoiled-brat 12-year old. It sounds gross, but we live in a country where DYFS, meant to protect children, is so incompetent, it leads them to be starved and tortured.


Just because she has grown up as an actress doesn't make her a spoiled brat.

She's a spoiled brat?  Everything I've read about her has been to the contrary.


Okay, I rescind that. I honestly don't give a f*ck about her, though. CELEBRITIES ARE JUST PEOPLE, PEOPLE. However, I also strongly believe if you become famous too young, you f*ck yourself up 99% of the time. I happen to have issues with ANYBODY's parents who lets them professionally perform to the extent that they let Dakota Fanning perform. She would've been just as talented if she'd waited until she was 18, and she'd probably have had a better life, too. Jodie Foster is like, the exception to the rule.

I happen to have issues with ANYBODY's parents who lets them professionally perform to the extent that they let Dakota Fanning perform. She would've been just as talented if she'd waited until she was 18, and she'd probably have had a better life, too.


Did it ever occur to you that this is something she might want to do?  Not all 12 year olds have a firm grip on what they want to do with their lives when they're older, but she seems to, and everything I've read about her tells me she's handling her fame maturely and her parents aren't your prototypical "stage parents" that everyone loves to hate.  Not all parents look at their children's talents as ways to vicariously live through them because of something they missed out on.  Maybe she would be where she is now if she had waited until she was 18, but maybe she wouldn't be.  Not all actors get to work with Robert DeNiro and she wanted to and she got to.  I wasn't living out my dreams at the age of 12, that's for damn sure. 

And you can add Brooke Shields, Melissa Gilbert, pretty much all the Cosby kids and about a dozen other names to Jodie Foster's.

This schit happens in every day life all the time, are we so blind now that we have to hide the problems in society and not let them be aired at all?

That is exactly what I was going to say. Sorry, folks- Twelve year olds get raped every day and if a movie depicts it in that context I don't see a problem with it.
It might even do society some good to see just how evil a human soul can be.
It doesn't make it child pron, and it doesn't make it a bad film.

All the sickos and pervs can find that "schit" pretty much anywhere anyways...

Okay, I rescind that. I honestly don't give a f*ck about her, though. CELEBRITIES ARE JUST PEOPLE, PEOPLE. However, I also strongly believe if you become famous too young, you f*ck yourself up 99% of the time. I happen to have issues with ANYBODY's parents who lets them professionally perform to the extent that they let Dakota Fanning perform. She would've been just as talented if she'd waited until she was 18, and she'd probably have had a better life, too. Jodie Foster is like, the exception to the rule.



When I was 6 years old, I had a chance become a professional actress. I remember going to NYC for an interview with an agent (I remember the trip but don't remember the interview). They wanted to sign me right away. After my parents talked it over, they decided that it wasn't the best for me they knew what kind of a life it could lead to. For the longest time I was mad at my parents for not allowing me to do it but over the years I realized that they did what they thought was right. Do I reget not being allow to have "my chance"? Not really but there is that little voice inside of me that wonders, "What if?"



Cat

Did it ever occur to you that this is something she might want to do?  Not all 12 year olds have a firm grip on what they want to do with their lives when they're older, but she seems to, and everything I've read about her tells me she's handling her fame maturely and her parents aren't your prototypical "stage parents" that everyone loves to hate.  Not all parents look at their children's talents as ways to vicariously live through them because of something they missed out on.  Maybe she would be where she is now if she had waited until she was 18, but maybe she wouldn't be.  Not all actors get to work with Robert DeNiro and she wanted to and she got to.  I wasn't living out my dreams at the age of 12, that's for damn sure. 

And you can add Brooke Shields, Melissa Gilbert, pretty much all the Cosby kids and about a dozen other names to Jodie Foster's.
warning! this is a tad shocking!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9VqlvPT640

i was always wondering if that scene was traumatizing to do, but apparently it was actually quite hilarious.

warning! this is a tad shocking!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9VqlvPT640

i was always wondering if that scene was traumatizing to do, but apparently it was actually quite hilarious.



The line "Did it ever occur to you that this is something she might want to do?" wasn't in reference to the rape scene, but to acting in general. 


Just wanted to get that out there.

warning! this is a tad shocking!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9VqlvPT640

i was always wondering if that scene was traumatizing to do, but apparently it was actually quite hilarious.


That.. is.. so.. freakin..cool!

That.. is.. so.. freakin..cool!
aint it effin' hard rock?

if she hadn't broken his bals over getting regular vanilla, all of this could have been avoided.

warning! this is a tad shocking!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9VqlvPT640

i was always wondering if that scene was traumatizing to do, but apparently it was actually quite hilarious.




Wow....

aint it effin' hard rock?

if she hadn't broken his bals over getting regular vanilla, all of this could have been avoided.


When little girls hassle me about my ice cream choices.. I wanna do just that.

When little girls hassle me about my ice cream choices.. I wanna do just that.
i'd go for the kneecaps first. bro in that clip was being merciful.

i'd go for the kneecaps first. bro in that clip was being merciful.


Exactly. How come killers always get a bad rap. I for one would much prefer to be blown away than die of cancer.

Exactly. How come killers always get a bad rap. I for one would much prefer to be blown away than die of cancer.
when my time comes, i wanna get it right through the cone and die a hero. fast and clean.

when my time comes, i wanna get it right through the cone and die a hero. fast and clean.



Depends where in the cone you get hit.

When I was 6 years old, I had a chance become a professional actress. I remember going to NYC for an interview with an agent (I remember the trip but don't remember the interview). They wanted to sign me right away. After my parents talked it over, they decided that it wasn't the best for me they knew what kind of a life it could lead to. For the longest time I was mad at my parents for not allowing me to do it but over the years I realized that they did what they thought was right. Do I reget not being allow to have "my chance"? Not really but there is that little voice inside of me that wonders, "What if?"



Cat

What if you became Dana Plato?
:P


That is exactly what I was going to say. Sorry, folks- Twelve year olds get raped every day and if a movie depicts it in that context I don't see a problem with it.
It might even do society some good to see just how evil a human soul can be.


Oh, for that all you have to do is watch C-SPAN!  There you will see the men and women I do not want having any say over MY entertainment choices!

What if you became Dana Plato?
:P




What if I became Jodie Foster?  :o :o  We are the same age-Dana was just a bit younger than me.




Cat

What if I became Jodie Foster?  :o :o  We are the same age-Dana was just a bit younger than me.




Cat



A 2-time Oscar winning Yale grad.  I think you'd manage.  ;D

I'm with you, Quirk.  There is no way in hell I would let my child act out a rape scene in a movie.  12 is just way too young.

I'm with you, Quirk.  There is no way in hell I would let my child act out a rape scene in a movie.  12 is just way too young.


I don't have children and I agree. I just can't imagine how the hell I'd explain that one. I can't see this happening (13+ years down the road):

Katherine Elizabeth (my would-be daughter's name):  So, dad, what is the next scene about?
Me: Well, you are going to act in a brutal and graphic rape of a girl your age.
K.E.: Why would anyone want to see that?
Me: Uh, uh, because I said so, and, uh, it'll make us, err, you, rich.
KE: Dad, that lame ass excuse stopped working on me when I was 8. Why would anyone want to see a 12 year old girl defiled in that fashion?
Me: Well, it is considered "art", and you are depicting what happens in the real world on a daily basis.
K.E.: The real world is effed up. Why are there so many damned losers on this planet?
Me: Uh, uh .....

Yeah, I'd like to be Dakota Fanning's mom on that set... not.

I'm with you, Quirk.  There is no way in hell I would let my child act out a rape scene in a movie.  12 is just way too young.

Perhaps, but it is not real.  A good director can take extrodinary measures to protect child actors, even in sick and frightening movies.  For instance, Stanley Kubrick was very protective of the actor who played "Danny" in "The Shining."  That kid did not even know he was acting in a horror movie while it was being filmed!

Here's what really grosses me out.  The number of 18 and 19 year old young women who now go into stripping, prostitution, and pornography, not out of indigence, but because they're taught to be 'hoes from the time they're in grade school.  The one porn star I read about was 19 and participating in the most loathsome and sordid pornography allowed under the law.  She admitted to carrying half a dozen STDs that she knew of.  Who was managing her career?  Her parents.  But, hey, she's of legal age, so who am I to judge?  I'm sure her parents love her dearly and only want whats best for her, right? 

This is not an isolated incidence.

Our society is not sexually liberated, but sexually commodified.

The whole idea of the film and scene sounds sick and revolting....

Excuse me while I go vomit......

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What if you became Dana Plato?
:P




You know, I could really freak Tia out because I could have become Kim Richards.  :D ;D ;D ;D




Cat

You know, I could really freak Tia out because I could have become Kim Richards.  :D ;D ;D ;D




Cat
kim turned out pretty good though. never mind her various nieces.

you could have had the misfortune of being in a movie like THIS...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVTsLWhjmmo

gawd i love me some devil dog. i've watched this thing a million times, typically while wacky-backin'. it's the perfect made-for-t.v. horror movie omen knockoff about adorable german shepherds possessed by the devil.