No poll here.  I'm just wondering what you think.  I've seen a sulky pessimism coming from the right-wing pundits over the past couple of weeks.  The liberals keep speculating on just how many seats the Dems will gain this midterm. 

I'm not sure.  It depends on the level of criminality the Republicans are willing to commit.  I don't count your chickens before they hatch.  The level of malfeasance committed by Republicans in the past six years is mind boggling.  Just as mind boggling is Democratic submission and complicity in said malfeasance. 

So I really don't know.  I have seen no credible polls predicting the GOP will retain both houses.  But the GOP has shown the don't have to win in order to "win."
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No poll here.  I'm just wondering what you think.  I've seen a sulky pessimism coming from the right-wing pundits over the past couple of weeks.  The liberals keep speculating on just how many seats the Dems will gain this midterm. 

I'm not sure.  It depends on the level of criminality the Republicans are willing to commit.  I don't count your chickens before they hatch.  The level of malfeasance committed by Republicans in the past six years is mind boggling.  Just as mind boggling is Democratic submission and complicity in said malfeasance. 

So I really don't know.  I have seen no credible polls predicting the GOP will retain both houses.  But the GOP has shown the don't have to win in order to "win."
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I am sure that if there is a paper trail it will go to the Dems, but if Diebold prevails then it wil go to the Repubs.  If Diebold is allowed to do what it does unchecked, then I will place that at the feet of the Democrats . We all know what is going on and it is up to the leaders of all the people to put  a stop to it.

I am sure that if there is a paper trail it will go to the Dems, but if Diebold prevails then it wil go to the Repubs.  If Diebold is allowed to do what it does unchecked, then I will place that at the feet of the Democrats . We all know what is going on and it is up to the leaders of all the people to put  a stop to it.



Or should that read "defeat"?  :-\\



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What if they cheat their way back in, but then it turns out even the knuckle draggers don't want them around anymore?  That could spell trouble!

Everyone says the repugs are losing ground so sorry. I'll believe it when I see it. All I can do for now is hope the Dem's take back the Senate and the House.

I don't think the Dems will take the Senate (But it is nice to see Bob CaseyJr kicking Santorum's butt.)  They have a better chance of taking Congress.  Unfortunatly my congressional district seat (Rep Joe Pitts) is concidered safe Republican territory.

I hope the Republicrats and Democans both lose.

Bring back the Whigs!

I hope the Republicrats and Democans both lose.

Bring back the Whigs!


Not if we Greenbackers can help it!
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I don't think the Dems will take the Senate (But it is nice to see Bob CaseyJr kicking Santorum's butt.)  They have a better chance of taking Congress.  Unfortunatly my congressional district seat (Rep Joe Pitts) is concidered safe Republican territory.

I don't see the Dems taking the Senate either, but I can dream, can't I? 
I'm no big fan of Bob Casey, Jr., but Rick "man-on-dog" Santorum has got to go!  I would have thought his friends, loved ones, and political party would have called for Santorum's resignation by now.  Don't they care about him?  Can't they see that man is sick?  He needs help.  He's a danger to himself and others.
(I'm not joking here.)

Remember how mentally unsound Hitler's cabinet turned out to be?  I think history will judge the post Gingrich GOP similarly!

I still think the Dems are chickensh*t, and after the last three bogus elections, all bets are off.  However, if the Dems do manage to take the House, Nancy Pelosi may find herself with no choice but to authorize major investigations if GOP malfeasance.  There is just too much of it to overlook.  John Conyers already has a dossier on these thugs like the Manhattan white pages! The Bushies have damaged the country far too much, and damaged it in every way, that there will be no way for the Dems to govern unless they conduct investigations.  These would, I hope, lead to impeachments, prison terms, and restitution.  The Democrats are not going to be able to just let bygones be bygones as they did with Iran-Contra.  In 1987 Ronald Reagan should have been impeached, removed from office, and tried for treason.  Then the dominoes would have toppled and a lot of these creeps now informing the Bushies would be in federal prison, then maybe we wouldn't be in the pickle we are all in now!
::)

I hope the Republicrats and Democans both lose.

Bring back the Whigs!


'Anarchy for me means Fascism for you!'

I see things the other way around, I believe the Dems will take the Senate and the Republicans will hold on to the house of representatives.

I see things the other way around, I believe the Dems will take the Senate and the Republicans will hold on to the house of representatives.



I'm thinking the other way around. 

I think both parties are functionally and ideologically inept.  'Twould be nice to have a strong "moderate" third party to scare the bejeezus out of the Republicrats :P  I too can dream.

I can't wait to see how the Dems will redistrict if they take the election.  A lot of state elections are going Dem that were "Publican".  So, I will watch with interest!! :)

I think the Dems are going to get the senate, at least I'm hopeful. DeWine is probably going to lose here in Ohio, he has been proven to be lying about his opponent (Sherrod Brown) in his commercials. So that's 1 seat anyway lol.

I'm thinking the other way around. 


I'm pretty sure the House has a higher incumbency rate, although I see how you could come to that conclusion, considering that most states tend to choose the same party in each election, whereas individual districts can be more diverse and go the other way.

On FOX News (which has turned into the right-wing "Onion") had the usual dumb blonde "Democratic Strategists" on the H&C tonight.  One was scolding CNN for showing that terrorist group's footage.  The other was saying the Dems have to take any talk of impeachment off the table if they are to have any chance in '08.  I so dearly wish Howard Dean could just say to this entire fifth column of DLC strategists, "You're fired!  Go work for Roger Ailes." 

It's like Mickey saying to Rocky, "O.K. Rock, when you get out there in the next round, start punching yourself in the face as hard as you can, that way the champ can't do it to you!"

This isn't about partisan strategy, you bimbos!  This about restoring our republic from the fascist state.  You can't strategise with fascists.  There are three ways it goes down with fascists. 
1. They rub you out.
2. You rub them out.
3. You submit to them completely.
The DLC has been bent on the third option ever since its foundation in 1985 in response to Reagan opening a can of whup azz on Mondale in 1985.  They made the Dems Republican-Lite.  It doesn't work, and it never has.  The DLC patted itself on the back for Clinton's victory in 1992, instead of giving the credit to the man deserving of it, H.Ross Perot!

(D)issolve the (L)osers (C)lub

I don't mean political victory.  I mean governing principles.  Government of the people, by the people, for the people works.  Government of the people by the corporations for the corporations does not.
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When in doubt, go with those who put their money where their mouths are:

http://tradesports.com/aav2/search.jsp?searchText=election

At present, 3:2 (~65%) odds say the Elephant half of the Party keeps the Senate, and 3:2 (~33%) odds also say the Donkey half of the Party takes the House. 

Of course, actually betting via Tradesports is probably illegal in Unistat, but that's another thread.  It's funny how a million monkeys banging on a million keyboards tends to produce something like AOL, but a million monkeys banging on a million keyboards where the monkeys' money is on the line is a pretty good indicator of the likelihood of future events. 

When in doubt, go with those who put their money where their mouths are:

http://tradesports.com/aav2/search.jsp?searchText=election

At present, 3:2 (~65%) odds say the Elephant half of the Party keeps the Senate, and 3:2 (~33%) odds also say the Donkey half of the Party takes the House. 

Of course, actually betting via Tradesports is probably illegal in Unistat, but that's another thread.  It's funny how a million monkeys banging on a million keyboards tends to produce something like AOL, but a million monkeys banging on a million keyboards where the monkeys' money is on the line is a pretty good indicator of the likelihood of future events. 

I wouldn't pay much attention to people so dumb they gamble online.

The Republicans can cheat, they do cheat, and they will cheat.  The question will be whether the American public can summon up the guts to do something other than lie down and take it as they have in the past three elections.

Every notice how so many Americans hype competition in everything, social Darwinism, and might makes right?  Ever notice how obsessed Americans are with dominance?  Punch out your kid's hockey coach, hog the road with your gas-guzzling SUV, watch Extreme Fighting, download vicious porn...but when it comes time to raise your fist to your government,* go all weak in the knees and hide behind the Bush family's skirts.  Jello Biafra was right when he called us "a sheepish nation of wollfish people." 

*No, b*tching with Rush about the death tax and the queers getting hitched does not qualify!

I have no clue.

I wouldn't pay much attention to people so dumb they gamble online.

The Republicans can cheat, they do cheat, and they will cheat.  The question will be whether the American public can summon up the guts to do something other than lie down and take it as they have in the past three elections.


Funny, that's why I pay more attention to market-based prediction indicators than I do to pollsters.

Participants in an electoral stock market don't make money by betting on who they want to win, they make money by betting on who they believe will win.  If the pollsters are calling dead heats in every state, and you happen believe the Elephant party is able to swing the vote by 0.5% in more swing states than the Jackass party, then you bet on the Elephants to win.

Market-based predictions aren't infallible, but by definition they take into account the factors that you cite.  A poll can't take into account anything other than the number of people, with telephones, who answer calls from polster, and who answer political questions posed by anonymous voices on the other end of the line.

(Personally, my answer to any pollster lucky enough to call my phone while it's plugged in is "None of your business.  Place this number on your firm's do-not-call-list".  My answer to every exit poller has been "I believe in the secret ballot", and when pressed on that point, "...but if you must know, I voted for Bugs Bunny as a write-in candidate.  Report that as you see fit.")

For a good time, dig up an intraday chart of the S&P 500 on the 2004 election day.

You can laugh at me, 'cuz I saw the exit polls predicting a Kerry win, the ensuing drop in the real markets, and it cost me around 2% on a defense stock that I sold that day due to fear that he'd win. Drank too much beer that night, ate way the hell too much pizza,  and bought it back the morning later at 4% higher than when I'd sold it. Up ~20% since then.  No complaints, the guy who bought my stock on election day earned every cent he made off of me.  (I don't play Tradesports, I play the stock market, but in some sectors, most notably defense, it's the same thing when election time rolls around :)

I ain't proud of the bucks I've made off this war.  It ain't capitalism.  But at least it pays the bills.  Between now and 2008, maybe something'll happen that'll convince me to sell my defense contractors and buy companies that do alternative energy and tax preparation software. Maybe it won't. Red vs. Blue? Who cares who wins.  It's all about green.

  Hey all...You'd think that we would have learned a lesson from the 2004 exit Presidential polls that poll numbers are NEVER accurate...

  Anyhoo, If Dems don't win BIG in this election:

    a) the public will know something is seriously wrong but will still do nothing...

    b) the public will know something is seriously wrong and will do something about it... :-\\

  I want to take this opportunity to remind my fellow boardies that voting for a third-party candidate is not a wasted vote.  Both Conferences of the Republocrat League pay very close attention to the growing strength of potential competitors for their power and make whatever concessions are necessary to keep them out of the mainstream...

  If enough people would vote for the Greens or Libertarians, for instance, who knows..?  The Democrats and Republicans might dig out and dust off their old copies of the Constitution and start abiding by a few of its provisions to keep us from siphoning off too many of their votes groove ;) on all...

 

Foo-Bar, you're just baiting me.  I ain't biting!
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In theory can we not just dump all the politicians on a island somewhere. Start over and tell the new jerks this is what you get if ye screw up. :D ;D Oh well only in theory I guess.