It's funny how the gay men who do get involved with the GOP become its staunchest allies, in spite of all the GOP gay-bashing!
::)




You should read Blinded by the Right by David Brock (if you haven't already).




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You should read Blinded by the Right by David Brock (if you haven't already).




Cat

I use the term "The Republican Noise Machine," which is the title of his follow-up book.  "Blinded by the Right" was great too.  Brock was the one who trashed Anita Hill, as you know, and came up with the sophomoric put-down, "a little bit nutty, a little bit slutty."  Brock knew he had much to atone for. 

What I observed, and I think Brock would agree, is two discrete sides to the Right regarding gay issues.  You have right-wingers who really, really, really hate gays.  You know, your Pat Robertsons, Pat Buchanans, and Michael Savages.  These guys are the true social reactonaries.  They are a minority in right-wing power circles.  The Right uses them to whip up social hysteria as a smokescreen for the real driving force behind the Right--GREED!  I couldn't believe how naive the Left was for making a big deal about Cheney's daughter being gay.  "A-ha, you're a hypocrite, Mr. Cheney!" Do you really think Dick and Lynn Cheney care if their daughter likes to go canyon yodeling?  I'll bet the average weekend soiree at the Cheney home would make Caligula blush.  People on the Left get the idea Republicans are like the people  in "Footloose."  HA! No way!  The GOP is about netting more money and power for themselves and their business partners.  Gay-bashing helps keep them in power.  If balancing eggs on their noses and juggling flaming knives helped keep them in power, they'd be very good at that too!
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Just caught on the news that now he's being treated for alcoholism. Why do I get the feeling he'll try to blame his perversion on de booze?
Because you have women's intuition.....imagine that, he IS.  Sorry, I've been pretty wasted in my life and it's never turned me into a homosexual pedophile....

Heh heh, this guy's name is "John Boehner."  Now, the keep trying to pronounce his name as "Beaner" (no offense, Mexicans), but they taught us in elementary English, "when two vowels go walking, the first one does the talking!"
:P

Of course, the German pronounciation is in between.  For instance, Schoenberg is pronounced more like "Shurn-berg" than "Shown-berg," but oh well...
It actually should be "Bay-ner".....http://johnboehner.house.gov/bio.asp








Of course, I still prefer Bo-ner ;D

There's now evidence the Republicans knew about him fooling around with teenage boys back in 1995.  Too bad they were distracted by something else in 1995, I wonder what that could have been?

There's now evidence the Republicans knew about him fooling around with teenage boys back in 1995.  Too bad they were distracted by something else in 1995, I wonder what that could have been?


Newt Gingrichs affair(leading to divorce #2 and wife #3)  no...that wasn't it.... 

Newt Gingrichs affair(leading to divorce #2 and wife #3)  no...that wasn't it.... 


I think it had something to do with consenual sex between two adults... no wait, why would that be a problem worthy of congress?

Please this joker is blaming it on everything but himself. God I wish it was 1880 then we could hang the bast@#$.
Just another repug whitewash.

Please this joker is blaming it on everything but himself. God I wish it was 1880 then we could hang the bast@#$.
Just another repug whitewash.

Erm, I'd have to re-check the history books, but you couldn't "just hang the bastid" in 1880.  You still had to to have a trial, a verdict, and a death sentence.  In the year 1880 in Florida there were indeed plenty of people who were hanged without due process.  It was called a "lynching," and most of time John Law just looked the other way.  This crap continued for another 80 years!  It didn't happen much to congressmen. 
::)

I was thinking, what if the Drudge/Limbaugh fantasy is true.  What if these pages were wicked little scoundrels trying to set the congressman up?  Then what happened to "personal responsibility"?  Didn't Foley have a "personal responsibility" to fire them and not flirt with them?
Oh yeah, in the GOP world, "personal responsibility" only applies to poor people.

Oh yeah, in the GOP world, "personal responsibility" only applies to poor people.




It applies to poor people AND Democrats.




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It applies to poor people AND Democrats.




Cat

Oh yeah, them too...and 16-year-old congressional pages!

But speaking of personal responsibility, that was my genuine gripe about Bill Clinton.  As mentioned above with Foley, it was Clinton's "personal responsibility" not to diddle around with a 22-year-old Pentagon staffer in the Oval Office.  I think infidelity leads to trouble in any marriage.  Besides, Clinton had to know the "vast right wing conspiracy" was gunning for him.  He had to know the reactionary temper of the country when it comes to sex.  Less than a decade earlier, Sen. Gary Hart got crucified for forny-cation with Donna Rice.  Clinton himself barely survived the Gennifer Flowers scandal during his own Presidential campaign.  America is a funny country that way.  Marital infidelity is rampant among the general population, but we demand our politicians to be pure as the driven snow.  In a country like France, the Lewinsky affair would be greeted with a big so waht.   "So what?  That's what a man does.  Let him screw around while he runs the country.  If he's screwing around instead of running the country, only then do we have a problem."  Not here.  And Bill knew better.  If he had behaved responsibily, he would have made sure Monica's security clearance got revoked after she showed him her thong.  Not Clinton, it was "Yeeee-haw! Hot dayum!"  He was a sex addict.  That gave his political assassins all the ammo they needed.
Differences with Foley:
1. Lewinsky was in her twenties, not her teens.
2. Lewinsky did not work for  Clinton.  She was employed at the Pentagon.  You could say she technically did work for Clinton if she worked for the Pentagon, as Clinton is commander-in-chief.  What I mean is she was not his direct subordinate, she was not his intern, she was not on his staff (not what I meant, wiseguy).
3. Lewinsky, as a consenting adult, aggrassively pursued sexual liasons with Clinton.  She boasted about it.  She declared, "I'm getting my presidential knee-pads!"  What a gal!  That goes back to my original point, Clinton was obliged to prevent Lewinsky from ever returning to the White House.  If these pages were trying to lure Foley, Foley was obliged to discharge them.  I don't believe they were.  I believe Foley was chasing them, and discharged on them!
:P

I live in WNY. Yesterday Congressman Tom Reynolds (R) started airing ads stating that he had no idea of the contents of the alleged emails sent by Foley.
He even went so far as to apologize for the ba$tard's actions!

http://www.wnymedia.net/

This is going to be very interesting...

I live in WNY. Yesterday Congressman Tom Reynolds (R) started airing ads stating that he had no idea of the contents of the alleged emails sent by Foley.
He even went so far as to apologize for the ba$tard's actions!

http://www.wnymedia.net/

This is going to be very interesting...


Already trying to distance himself, especially since there's already ample evidence he did know, and knew for quite some time. 

the lessons of Watergate are soon forgotten.  It's not the crime, it's the coverup

3. Lewinsky, as a consenting adult, aggrassively pursued sexual liasons with Clinton.  She boasted about it.  She declared, "I'm getting my presidential knee-pads!"  What a gal! 

Now we know why so many people want to be POTUS.  ;D

Already trying to distance himself, especially since there's already ample evidence he did know, and knew for quite some time. 

the lessons of Watergate are soon forgotten.  It's not the crime, it's the coverup
Of course they are.....and it's ALL Hastert's fault ;)


BTW, I gotta' give props to my man Hastert for not giving in and resigning (yet?) like everyone's calling for him to do.....it should make the elections next month VERY interesting.....

Which brings me to my next question....isn't it funny how this has been going on for YEARS and it's just coming out RIGHT BEFORE AN ELECTION ???

Already trying to distance himself, especially since there's already ample evidence he did know, and knew for quite some time.

Exactly! I think his opponent has the upper hand now.  8)

FOX News booked all the Rightie pundits who have been trying to say it's all a "Democrat" set up, and it's a "Democrat" scandal.  Then they did something I never saw them do before.  I've eyeballing those creeps since the network debuted almost a decade ago.  FNC posted a "D" instead of an "R" after Foley's name.  They did this several times.  Preying on the ignorance of the public as usal.
"Yeah, Foley, I seen him on the teevee, ain't he a Democrat?"
Please.
The Right can't get its story, uh, straight here, and it doesn't want to.  Those guys are desperate!

Don't worry, they're still gonna retain both Houses of Congress next month.  Uncle Karl's making sure of that!
::)

http://sweetjesusihatebilloreilly.com/images/Oreilly_Foley.jpg
http://sweetjesusihatebilloreilly.com/archive/100306B.html

I wonder what the guy behind Foley is thinking,
"Jeez, I let this guy pick up my kid at school, thought congressmen were too busy for that, what was I, nuts?"


Exactly! I think his opponent has the upper hand now.  8)

Heh!  Foley used to be the one with the "upper hand."  Just ask them kids.  Turns out Foley had more pages than the Webster's unabridged!

FOX News booked all the Rightie pundits who have been trying to say it's all a "Democrat" set up, and it's a "Democrat" scandal.  Then they did something I never saw them do before.  I've eyeballing those creeps since the network debuted almost a decade ago.  FNC posted a "D" instead of an "R" after Foley's name.  They did this several times.  Preying on the ignorance of the public as usal.
"Yeah, Foley, I seen him on the teevee, ain't he a Democrat?"
Please.
The Right can't get its story, uh, straight here, and it doesn't want to.  Those guys are desperate!

Don't worry, they're still gonna retain both Houses of Congress next month.  Uncle Karl's making sure of that!
::)

http://sweetjesusihatebilloreilly.com/images/Oreilly_Foley.jpg
http://sweetjesusihatebilloreilly.com/archive/100306B.html

I wonder what the guy behind Foley is thinking,
"Jeez, I let this guy pick up my kid at school, thought congressmen were too busy for that, what was I, nuts?"



Yeah, we have been watching Fox, too. What a joke. There was one day (I think two days ago) O'Reilly didn't say ONE WORD about it (or at least we didn't notice). Also, he was interviewing some repub. last night (can't remember who) who was calling for Nancy Polosi and some other dem to take a lie detector test!! He wants to know when they knew about it (but said nothing about Hastert taking one.  ::)  )Yeah, we know all about this being a dem scandal.

FYI: I don't know if people have heard that the e-mails in question were brought to the FBI MONTHS ago and they didn't act on it and now that it is out in the open, they have no choice but to act on it.



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What REALLY blows my mind is the republicans who say things like, "16 is actually the age of consent" and "It's all right for a 52-year-old dude to be asking a 16-year-old boy who's essentially his subordinate what he would like for his birthday and when they can hook up."

OR the guys who say, well, this isn't 'pedophilia' per se, which is a sexual attraction to children who haven't yet undergone puberty. that's the first time i heard that one. most adults arrested for sex with 16-year-olds aren't even shameless enough to trot that argument out.

somebody said the republicans are more interested in keeping their hold on power than protecting the pages in washington. now they're pretty much apologizing for pedophile predatory behavior straight out. it's like they found another rock under the rock they'd already crawled under and crawled under THAT one.

Yeah, we have been watching Fox, too. What a joke. There was one day (I think two days ago) O'Reilly didn't say ONE WORD about it (or at least we didn't notice). Also, he was interviewing some repub. last night (can't remember who) who was calling for Nancy Polosi and some other dem to take a lie detector test!! He wants to know when they knew about it (but said nothing about Hastert taking one.  ::)  )Yeah, we know all about this being a dem scandal.

FYI: I don't know if people have heard that the e-mails in question were brought to the FBI MONTHS ago and they didn't act on it and now that it is out in the open, they have no choice but to act on it.

Well, they call Speaker Dennis Hastert "Denny," and you can't spell Denny without D-E-N-Y!
A "lie detector test" for Pelosi?  The Republicans are just mad because one of their own got them in a sex scandal they can't blame on the Dems.  They're trying, but it doesn't work.  David Bossie of Citizens United, a guy I can't stand, who was gunning for Clinton until the day he left office, and then some, one of those obnoxious right-wing nutjobs, has called for Hastert to step down.  Bossie's not the only one.  It's one thing when the Repugs lose the support of the conservative intellectual elite, such as George Will and William F. Buckley, it's quite another when knuckle-draggers like Bossie start disapproving!  


What REALLY blows my mind is the republicans who say things like, "16 is actually the age of consent" and "It's all right for a 52-year-old dude to be asking a 16-year-old boy who's essentially his subordinate what he would like for his birthday and when they can hook up."

OR the guys who say, well, this isn't 'pedophilia' per se, which is a sexual attraction to children who haven't yet undergone puberty. that's the first time i heard that one. most adults arrested for sex with 16-year-olds aren't even shameless enough to trot that argument out.

somebody said the republicans are more interested in keeping their hold on power than protecting the pages in washington. now they're pretty much apologizing for pedophile predatory behavior straight out. it's like they found another rock under the rock they'd already crawled under and crawled under THAT one.

I think "pedophilia" is a misnomer for what Foley's got.  Foley has "ephobophilia," an attraction to post-pubescent adolescents.  I think that's an important distinction to make because I don't see 16-year-olds as "children."  They're not full-fledge adults, but they're not little kids.  When a person becomes a full-fledged adult is rather subjective.  It depends on the individual.  However--
a. these pages were still under the age of 18.  The law doesn't say "it depends on the individual."
b. Foley was still abusing his power to take advantage of subordinates.  If these were 25-year-old staffers, Foley would still be committing sexual harrassment.  The fact that the pages were under 18 adds a discrete element of illegality.

I love how "Denny" says, "The buck stops here but it is your fault".





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I love how "Denny" says, "The buck stops here but it is your fault".





Cat

Eh, we're dealing with clowns who don't know how to govern.  The Republican party is a criminal enterprise.

I think "pedophilia" is a misnomer for what Foley's got.  Foley has "ephobophilia," an attraction to post-pubescent adolescents.  I think that's an important distinction to make because I don't see 16-year-olds as "children."  They're not full-fledge adults, but they're not little kids.  When a person becomes a full-fledged adult is rather subjective.  It depends on the individual. 
yeah. that's what i told the judge, too, but he didn't go for it.

even if technically there's some accuracy to that using it to try and mitigate what foley did just comes off kinda low and wormy on the part of hastert and the rest of them ding-dongs.

anyway, what's gotta hurt is that most of the anger the repubs are getting is coming from the right! obviously they're not so into the way the "Family values" party loves their children. adolescents, whatever.

anyway, looks like this is a lesson we have to keep learning. check out what was on progressive review today...

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The thing that gets me here...

Is that when Bill Clinton got his cock sucked by a consenting adult in the privacy of his own office, he was in fact 'The great Satan'. But, when some two bit Florida crook (and let's face it, everyone in Florida is a crook of some degree) wants to see what a 15-16 year old kid had for dinner the night before.. the hard way.. He's just a mistaken individual. Forgotten, cast aside.

Please, give me a break here.

i always thought the monica thing was pretty grody, and a total abuse of power on clinton's part. but all in all, it doesn't compare to unwanted advances toward a minor! monica was all dancing around flashing her thong and whatnot. and let's be realistic, when it's gettin' all dangled in your face that's totally different than just pestering teenagers outta the blue.

anyway, the repubs went after clinton with such zeal i always say their fanaticism to nail clinton to the wall was the only thing that saved him. he went from being a creepy adulterous lech to being a martyr and the republicans looked like they were trying to destroy his marriage and intrude on his personal life. i get the impression the demos are being uncharacteristically wise on this, holding back and letting the republicans take their hit from their core constituency, the religious right, which is fighting mad about this. (and i think there's an undercurrent of loathing foley's gayness involved with that at least as much as the issue of the pages being minors...)

Somehow people think Clinton "got away with it."  He didn't.  He was impeached.  He was the first President in U.S. history to endure the complete process of impeachment.  Then he lost his license to practice law for five years following his presidency.  That's not what I call "getting away with it."

Vince Foster, Travelgate, and Whitewater got the vast right-wing conspiracy nowhere.  Clinton's dalliance got them everything they wanted.  Well, not quite everything.  The senate did not vote to remove Clinton from office.  The Ted Olsons and the Ken Starrs are still bitter.  And in spite of all Limbaugh's yacking, Clinton remained a popular president.  His rating remained in the 60s throughout the impeachment (Bush has been below 40 for more than a year).  On top of that, Gore won the 2000 election!  Democracy's cute and all, but there's a time to say enough is enough!

Oh yeah, and the Righties always say it wasn't about sex. It was about "lying under oath" and "suborning perjury."  Feh, Sean Hannity didn't even know what "suborning perjury" means, prolly still doesn't!   Believe me, it's always about sex with those guys.  It was all made possible by Monica Lewinsky, the face that launched a thousand sh*ts!

Anyway, I detailed earlier why there is no comparison to Clinton with Foley.  Some people around here wouldn't hear it, that's all.

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Well, they call Speaker Dennis Hastert "Denny," and you can't spell Denny without D-E-N-Y!
A "lie detector test" for Pelosi?  The Republicans are just mad because one of their own got them in a sex scandal they can't blame on the Dems.  They're trying, but it doesn't work.  David Bossie of Citizens United, a guy I can't stand, who was gunning for Clinton until the day he left office, and then some, one of those obnoxious right-wing nutjobs, has called for Hastert to step down.  Bossie's not the only one.  It's one thing when the Repugs lose the support of the conservative intellectual elite, such as George Will and William F. Buckley, it's quite another when knuckle-draggers like Bossie start disapproving!  
I think "pedophilia" is a misnomer for what Foley's got.  Foley has "ephobophilia," an attraction to post-pubescent adolescents.  I think that's an important distinction to make because I don't see 16-year-olds as "children."  They're not full-fledge adults, but they're not little kids.  When a person becomes a full-fledged adult is rather subjective.  It depends on the individual.  However--
a. these pages were still under the age of 18.  The law doesn't say "it depends on the individual."
b. Foley was still abusing his power to take advantage of subordinates.  If these were 25-year-old staffers, Foley would still be committing sexual harrassment.  The fact that the pages were under 18 adds a discrete element of illegality.

It's still pedophilia. Let's say  Foley, age 52, is propositioning his 16 yr old grand daughter's friends.  or worse.. his 16 yr old grand daughter? Is it still considered age of consent? NO! It's pedophilia.  The law specifically states, if there is > 5 yrs difference in a person's age,  and the perpetrator's target is 16 or under,consent does not apply.  It's not like he's 22 yrs old and thought she was 18.  Plus it's just creepy to think about.

It's still pedophilia. Let's say  Foley, age 52, is propositioning his 16 yr old grand daughter's friends.  or worse.. his 16 yr old grand daughter? Is it still considered age of consent? NO! It's pedophilia.  The law specifically states, if there is > 5 yrs difference in a person's age,  and the perpetrator's target is 16 or under,consent does not apply.  It's not like he's 22 yrs old and thought she was 18.  Plus it's just creepy to think about.
sure, but according to republicans, pedophilia is now okay.

sure, but according to republicans, pedophilia is now okay.

Partisan pundits like Drudge are trying to call Foley the victim of scheming youths.  It's not going to work.  The consensus in the media formed over the past 20 years rules out any such idea.  I've been excoriated just for suggesting a 16-year-old having a sexual liason with an adult just might NOT ruin the kid's life forever.  People treated me like a pedophile just for saying so. 

"What are you some kind of a sick-o?  I wouldn't trust you around my kid!"
"No, wait, I only said at the age of sixteen, I mean depending on the individuals and the circumstances involved, and I'm not saying it's ever the right thing to do but, but the encounter might not...."
"NO, I DON'T WANT TO HEAR IT, YOU'RE DISGUSTING!"

Thus you cannot have a society that conditions everyone to believe all sexual contact between adults and under-eighteens is sick, wrong, and 100% vorboten, and then pull a switcharoo for partisan convenience.  Sorry Messrs. Drudge and Gingrich, this sh*t ain't gonna fly!
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Partisan pundits like Drudge are trying to call Foley the victim of scheming youths. 


Please tell me you're joking.  No one with 1 brain cell to spare would think that.......right?

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Somehow people think Clinton "got away with it."  He didn't.  He was impeached.  He was the first President in U.S. history to endure the complete process of impeachment. 
Actually, you're 1/2 right, he was the first elected president in U.S. history to endure the complete process.....Andrew Johnson was the first, but he wasn't elected ;)

Actually, you're 1/2 right, he was the first elected president in U.S. history to endure the complete process.....Andrew Johnson was the first, but he wasn't elected ;)

Oh, that's right.  Andrew Johnson was impeached the whole way through.  Like wich Clinton, the senate didn't reach the 2/3 majority vote required for removal from office.

Oh, that's right.  Andrew Johnson was impeached the whole way through.  Like wich Clinton, the senate didn't reach the 2/3 majority vote required for removal from office.
which congressional page did andrew johnson hit on?

and people say history is boring.

which congressional page did andrew johnson hit on?

and people say history is boring.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Johnson

Read the section about the "unconstitutional" thing Johnson did to get impeached.  Think about all the "unconstitutional" things Bush has done just this year.  He's lucky we don't have the congress we had in 1867!  Compare it also to the reason Clinton got impeached!
:P

http://www.armchairsubversive.com/

this is good clean fun. those wacky republicans sure know how to live!

http://www.armchairsubversive.com/

this is good clean fun. those wacky republicans sure know how to live!

I only got half way throught that list before I felt queeezy and stopped reading!
:P
Mind you, I'll bet you could assemble a similar rogue's gallery of dirty Dems.  And it's not just politicos.  It might be John Q. Public nextdoor.  You kow that nice old man you wave to every morning on your way to work while he's walking his dog?  Maybe you don't really want to know what he has in his basement!
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Memo from the Great-Choice-of-Words dept.

Rep. Mark Foley to Gov. Jeb Bush:

"Sorry to trouble you ... and I wouldn't if this wasn't so frequent," Foley wrote. "Have I done something to offend the White House? I am always getting the shaft."

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http://www.bradenton.com/mld/bradenton/news/breaking_news/15742155.htm

Foley, the good Conservative Repulican busted for pedophillia.  It's the page's fault.  He should have been a few years older.  OR maybe it was the demon alcohol. OR the Catholic preist that molested Foley when he was a kid.  My opinion, he's your typical CREEPY,creep!! :P

Foley, the good Conservative Repulican busted for pedophillia.  It's the page's fault.  He should have been a few years older.  OR maybe it was the demon alcohol. OR the Catholic preist that molested Foley when he was a kid.  My opinion, he's your typical CREEPY,creep!! :P



Don't you know it is the Democrats fault along with the "Liberal" media.




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Oh, how could I have forgotten.  It's those gosh darn liberals fault too.  Thank you for correcting me Cat!!! :)

Oh, how could I have forgotten.  It's those gosh darn liberals fault too.  Thank you for correcting me Cat!!! :)



No prob.  ;D ;D




Cat