http://abcnews.go.com/


On the front page, there's a giant header saying that that an arrest had been made connected to the JonBenet Ramsey case.  I'm listening to WLS am in Chicago, and according to the story they aired, they arrested the suspect in Thailand. 


Has anyone else here heard anything connected to this today?




Edit: Later today, the Boulder County D.A. will be holding a press conference about this. 

http://abcnews.go.com/


On the front page, there's a giant header saying that that an arrest had been made connected to the JonBenet Ramsey case.  I'm listening to WLS am in Chicago, and according to the story they aired, the arrested in Thailand. 


Has anyone else here heard anything connected to this today?


Edit: Later today, the Boulder County D.A. will be holding a press conference about this. 


Here I am in Colorado and haven't heard anything yet but I'm sure I'll see it on the evening news.  Thanks for the heads up.

Here I am in Colorado and haven't heard anything yet but I'm sure I'll see it on the evening news.  Thanks for the heads up.



No problem.  Apparently this is someone that was considered a suspect 10 years ago and that this person confessed to aspects of the crime not known to the public. 

No problem.  Apparently this is someone that was considered a suspect 10 years ago and that this person confessed to aspects of the crime not known to the public. 


If this guy is the real perp, people will be standing in line to give him the electric chair.  Of course he would deserve worse.  >:(

Wow... after ten years, I never thought an arrest would be made in JonBenet's death... sad to think her mother died before hearing the news and that JonBenet would be sixteen-years-old had she lived...

Now I have the chance to be sick of JonBenet all over again!  Hooray hooray!

Now I have the chance to be sick of JonBenet all over again!  Hooray hooray!



If you didn't care, you shouldn't have posted.



http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060817/ap_on_re_us/jonbenet_ramsey


The suspect's name is John Mark Karr and he had confessed to certain aspects of the crime to authorities that were not made known to the general public.  It'll be interesting to see where this goes from here.

  Hadn't heard of this, untill I read it here...

  When I clicked on the link I honestly expected to learn of John and/or Patsy Ramsey's arrest...

  I'll just "WTF" and read on go ;) ...

 

I say, find out if this Karr guy did it. If he didn't let, him go.  If he did, give him life in prison, or the hot shot, or whatever they do out there Colorado. 

HERE'S WHAT MAKES ME SICK:
TELEVISION AND TABLOIDS PERPETUALLY RECIRCULATING THE PHOTOS OF THAT POOR LITTLE GIRL DEPRIVED OF HER CHILDHOOD AND MADE UP LIKE A CHEAP TART!  THE ONLY REASON THE MEDIA HYPED JBR'S MURDER WAS BECAUSE SHE WAS THE YOUNGEST BEAUTY QUEEN.  RATINGS RATINGS RATINGS---THAT'S ALL!

I THINK IT'S WRONG TO DOLL UP LITTLE GIRLS TO LOOK LIKE SEX OBJECTS. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH PEDOPHILES. IT HAS EVERYTHING TO DO WITH ALLOWING LITTLE GIRLS TO BE LITTLE GIRLS AT LEAST FOR THEIR FIRST DECADE OF LIFE (WHICH JBR DIDN'T EVEN GET TO COMPLETE)!

MMMMKAY?

HERE'S WHAT MAKES ME SICK:
TELEVISION AND TABLOIDS PERPETUALLY RECIRCULATING THE PHOTOS OF THAT POOR LITTLE GIRL DEPRIVED OF HER CHILDHOOD AND MADE UP LIKE A CHEAP TART!  THE ONLY REASON THE MEDIA HYPED JBR'S MURDER WAS BECAUSE SHE WAS THE YOUNGEST BEAUTY QUEEN.  RATINGS RATINGS RATINGS---THAT'S ALL!

I THINK IT'S WRONG TO DOLL UP LITTLE GIRLS TO LOOK LIKE SEX OBJECTS. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH PEDOPHILES. IT HAS EVERYTHING TO DO WITH ALLOWING LITTLE GIRLS TO BE LITTLE GIRLS AT LEAST FOR THEIR FIRST DECADE OF LIFE (WHICH JBR DIDN'T EVEN GET TO COMPLETE)!

MMMMKAY?






Calm down.  There's no need to scream.

Calm down.  There's no need to scream.

I AM CALM! I AM NOT SCREAMING!
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Oh, where are my pills?

   Hadn't heard of this, untill I read it here...

   When I clicked on the link I honestly expected to learn of John and/or Patsy Ramsey's arrest...

   I'll just "WTF" and read on go ;) ...

   


Well if they had arrested Patsy Ramsay yesterday, that really would be extending the long arm of the law.  She's considerably farther away than Thailand.

The suspect's name is John Mark Karr and he had confessed to certain aspects of the crime to authorities that were not made known to the general public.  It'll be interesting to see where this goes from here.


I just saw a clip of this guy on TV.  Now I am not so sure if he did it or not.  (a) it is a confession, and with this being a sensational crime he could be some sort of warped thrill seeker.  (b) I know it is just appearances, but he did not look all that "stable" on TV.

About 20 years ago a stupid kid named Rolando Cruz walked into a Chicago-area police station and started blathering unknown details about a young girl's murder.  Got convicted THREE TIMES for the murders until it was conclusively proven (and agreed to by the DA) that he could not have done the crime.  Moron just wanted to be a "celebrity" and his prank got out of hand and by then nobody would believe that he didn't do it.

Now if they come up with some DNA on this guy Carr, then I'll feel more comfortable that he's the evil doer.  :-\\

Well if they had arrested Patsy Ramsay yesterday, that really would be extending the long arm of the law.  She's considerably farther away than Thailand.


  Egh...

  I'm a doofus...

  She died of breast cancer this year...go ;) ...

I just saw a clip of this guy on TV.  Now I am not so sure if he did it or not.  (a) it is a confession, and with this being a sensational crime he could be some sort of warped thrill seeker.  (b) I know it is just appearances, but he did not look all that "stable" on TV.

Now if they come up with some DNA on this guy Carr, then I'll feel more comfortable that he's the evil doer.  :-\\


This is how I see it, too.  I want some evidence that this isn't a set up on either side.  Of course if it is true it could give hope to all the less wealthy, less politically connected people whose childrens murders have gone unsolved......not.

Oh yeah, what was with the press conference in Thailand who had an American female identified as a member of Homeland Security?  Homeland Security in the JonBenet case..... ???

According to the news, the Ramsey's gave the police this guy's name back when it first happened, but they never really followed up on it.  Later, John Ramsey was on another news program saying he didn't think he knew this guy.  Speculation is that he became obsessed with her after going to a pageant and followed them from Georgia to Colorado.  He actually was arrested on kiddie porn charges in Thailand.....I'm sure if they looked into it, he could be charged with ALOT more than that, being in Thailand >:(

If you didn't care, you shouldn't have posted.

if you didn't like his post, you shouldn't have replied!

I say, find out if this Karr guy did it. If he didn't let, him go.  If he did, give him life in prison, or the hot shot, or whatever they do out there Colorado. 

HERE'S WHAT MAKES ME SICK:
TELEVISION AND TABLOIDS PERPETUALLY RECIRCULATING THE PHOTOS OF THAT POOR LITTLE GIRL DEPRIVED OF HER CHILDHOOD AND MADE UP LIKE A CHEAP TART!  THE ONLY REASON THE MEDIA HYPED JBR'S MURDER WAS BECAUSE SHE WAS THE YOUNGEST BEAUTY QUEEN.  RATINGS RATINGS RATINGS---THAT'S ALL!

I THINK IT'S WRONG TO DOLL UP LITTLE GIRLS TO LOOK LIKE SEX OBJECTS. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH PEDOPHILES. IT HAS EVERYTHING TO DO WITH ALLOWING LITTLE GIRLS TO BE LITTLE GIRLS AT LEAST FOR THEIR FIRST DECADE OF LIFE (WHICH JBR DIDN'T EVEN GET TO COMPLETE)!


I'm in full agreement with you here, Max.  They print an article saying how horrible the exploitation of little girls is....how awful it is that there are men out there obsessed with little girls, etc.....and the very same Tabloids are the ones doing the exploitation.  BAD BAD BAD.

Wow... after ten years, I never thought an arrest would be made in JonBenet's death... sad to think her mother died before hearing the news and that JonBenet would be sixteen-years-old had she lived...
Her mother had found out about this new direction the investigation was going.

   Hadn't heard of this, untill I read it here...

   When I clicked on the link I honestly expected to learn of John and/or Patsy Ramsey's arrest...

   I'll just "WTF" and read on go ;) ...

   
Well<Patsy is gone,so they couldn't have arrested her.I was skeptical John could have done it.I once saw an interview with John walsh,whose own son disappeared.he said they shoulsd talk to the police,but he had apparently been poorly treated himself.At the time of the disappearance of his son,Adam,his then-wife was having an affair with one of John's friends.But John had told the police he didn't think the man took his son.The police had asked him why he doesn't think so,kind of badgered him about it.They felt he SHOULD have thought the man wass a suspect.I can understand why the ramsy's would want to be cautious about saying too much to the media.

Headline in the Rocky Mountain News (Denver) today says, "Do we have a whack-job or a murderer?"  Apparently, they're now thinking that this guy is just nuts and quite possibly did not actually commit the crime.  Some of the information he has given has been wrong (like that he picked her up from school that day -- it was Christmas vacation).  Anyway -- that's the latest.

so wait... anybody could have claimed guilt and then gotten all this free publicity? i coulda fessed up and used it to promote my new band.

it's bizarre but i hear this sorta thing happens all the time. in high profile cases the police always get dozens of people claiming to be guilty but it hardly ever gets this far. what the hell?

so wait... anybody could have claimed guilt and then gotten all this free publicity? i coulda fessed up and used it to promote my new band.

it's bizarre but i hear this sorta thing happens all the time. in high profile cases the police always get dozens of people claiming to be guilty but it hardly ever gets this far. what the hell?


The truth is that....we don't know what the truth is yet.  But they still need to investigate this guy.  They've arrested him.  He's confessed.  But he might not be the killer.  Still, he's wanted for child porn in California so....he ain't going free.

Still and all -- yeah -- a person's gotta be pretty whacky to confess to a crime like this if he didn't really do it.

i believe he actually already served a sentence for kiddie porn possession. which doesn't augur well for his claim that it was just an accident. i think he said he meant to kidnap her but not kill her? like, whatever, dude.

i believe he actually already served a sentence for kiddie porn possession. which doesn't augur well for his claim that it was just an accident. i think he said he meant to kidnap her but not kill her? like, whatever, dude.



What got me was when he said he "loved" her.  She's 6, you pervert.

What got me was when he said he "loved" her.  She's 6, you pervert.

Ever heard that Chuck Berry song, "Memphis, Tennessee"?
:-X


I just saw a clip of this guy on TV.  Now I am not so sure if he did it or not.  (a) it is a confession, and with this being a sensational crime he could be some sort of warped thrill seeker.  (b) I know it is just appearances, but he did not look all that "stable" on TV.

About 20 years ago a stupid kid named Rolando Cruz walked into a Chicago-area police station and started blathering unknown details about a young girl's murder.  Got convicted THREE TIMES for the murders until it was conclusively proven (and agreed to by the DA) that he could not have done the crime.  Moron just wanted to be a "celebrity" and his prank got out of hand and by then nobody would believe that he didn't do it.

Now if they come up with some DNA on this guy Carr, then I'll feel more comfortable that he's the evil doer.  :-\\

Karr may have pulled the stunt to get out of the Thai prison and into an American prison.  I wouldn't want to be in either, but if I had to choose...
I heard all about Mr. Cruz.  I figured he just wanted to go to prison because he loved big smelly guys named Bubba and Smiley, and he got tired of the nine-to-five girnd and  sick of the bar scene.  That way, Mr. Cruz could get a roof, three squares, and all the (censored) he wanted!
:P


I'm in full agreement with you here, Max.  They print an article saying how horrible the exploitation of little girls is....how awful it is that there are men out there obsessed with little girls, etc.....and the very same Tabloids are the ones doing the exploitation.  BAD BAD BAD.

I can't deny there's a pedophile element, but it's less of a problem than the press would have you think.  Those predatory pedophiles just reach for whatever they can grab.  Their pathology is much too savage for the child beauty pageants.  They are less likely to lurk in the audience there than they are to mill about the neighborhood for easier prey.  The JonBenet's of the world watched over constantly.  If she was molested, the perp was probably a parent or guardian.
The JBR "soap opera" never disappeared from the supermarket tabloids.  I think the people most obsessed with her are the same people who buy those awful sorts of dolls they hawk on the home shopping networks.  It was like JBR wasn't even a human being to these people!

Umm Memphis Tenessee is meant to be about his daughter. As Dee Snider said about all Tipper Gore she was  looking for was perverted stuff in their lyrics and so she found it..................

Umm Memphis Tenessee is meant to be about his daughter. As Dee Snider said about all Tipper Gore she was  looking for was perverted stuff in their lyrics and so she found it..................

Oh, I know, "Marie is only six years old, information please, try to get ahold of her in Memphis, Tennessee..."  That's the punchline.  Until then the listener assumes "Marie" is his ex-wife.  I don't believe there was a pedophiliac bluff in the lyrics, but some people speculated there was.  It didn't help that Chuck Berry turned out to be a dirty old man.  He never got busted with minors, like R. Kelly did, but he p...well, I won't go into details!
:-\\

According to the news, the Ramsey's gave the police this guy's name back when it first happened, but they never really followed up on it.  Later, John Ramsey was on another news program saying he didn't think he knew this guy.  Speculation is that he became obsessed with her after going to a pageant and followed them from Georgia to Colorado.  He actually was arrested on kiddie porn charges in Thailand.....I'm sure if they looked into it, he could be charged with ALOT more than that, being in Thailand >:(


Problem is, the Ramsays left Georgia in 1991 when JonB was but a year old.

I now have FIFTY BUCKS that says that this John Karr is a nut case who did NOT do the crime.

On TV he was all about "yeah I did it" and "i loved her" and "it was an accident".  But when they asked him "How did you gain entry to the house?" he said he could not go into that.  It is classic con-man behavior.

He also said that he raped JonB, but that is inconsistent with the evidence.  The cops never said she was raped, just had "vaginal abrasions".

If they do not have DNA on this doofus he'll be cut loose.  At least for the JohnB murder anyway.  :-\\

Problem is, the Ramsays left Georgia in 1991 when JonB was but a year old.

I now have FIFTY BUCKS that says that this John Karr is a nut case who did NOT do the crime.

On TV he was all about "yeah I did it" and "i loved her" and "it was an accident".  But when they asked him "How did you gain entry to the house?" he said he could not go into that.  It is classic con-man behavior.

He also said that he raped JonB, but that is inconsistent with the evidence.  The cops never said she was raped, just had "vaginal abrasions".

If they do not have DNA on this doofus he'll be cut loose.  At least for the JohnB murder anyway.  :-\\

If the DNA samples are viable, his con is up double quick!

Oh, I know, "Marie is only six years old, information please, try to get ahold of her in Memphis, Tennessee..."  That's the punchline.  Until then the listener assumes "Marie" is his ex-wife.  I don't believe there was a pedophiliac bluff in the lyrics, but some people speculated there was.  It didn't help that Chuck Berry turned out to be a dirty old man.  He never got busted with minors, like R. Kelly did, but he p...well, I won't go into details!
:-\\



If you listen to the lyrics of the song (the only version I've heard is the one performed by Johnny Rivers), it doesn't talk like someone trying to get in touch with his ex-wife.  The first time I ever heard the song, I thought it was Elvis singing about his daughter Lisa Marie.

"Help me, information, more than that I cannot add
Only that I miss her and all the fun we had
But we were pulled apart because her mom did not agree
And tore apart our happy home in Memphis Tennessee"


That was the verse before the lines that mentioned that Marie was 6 years old.



What sickens me the most is that this family will never have closure.  I'd hate to be the parent of a murdered child and know that her killer is still walking around somewhere. 

What sickens me the most is that this family will never have closure.  I'd hate to be the parent of a murdered child and know that her killer is still walking around somewhere. 

It is important to put these things in perspective.  The media runs a million human interest stories exposing a million family tragedies because the public laps them up.  In my family's past there is tragedy.  I hope there will be no more in the future.  In every town and every neighborhood there are families wtih agonizing events from which they will not recover for generations. It is part of the human condition.  I am not saying it is right.  I am not saying it is "wrong" either.  I am saying it "is."  The commonality of tragedy does not diminish the suffering of the Ramsey family.  I would not present it to them as a salve for their woes.  That would be crass.  Neither you, nor I, nor anybody we know is in the Ramsey family, nor were we directly affected by the events in the Ramsey home of December, 1996.  You can vicariously feel as though you are personally invested in the JBR case.  You vicariously feel as though you are personally invested in the goings-on about "General Hospital."  Beyond the following reaction, "A little girl was murdered in Boulder, and nobody knows who did it? How terrible! That poor family," you merely engage in voyeuristic infotainment soap opera.  Fine if that's your bag, but it really does no good to become distressed about it.

Closure?  Even if they find the sick bastard who murdered JBR and string him up by his toenails, the Ramseys will never find "closure."  That's a myth.  For instance, my paternal grandfather committed suicide in 1943.  He was bipolar (manic-depressive, they used to call it).  Discharged from the military and in a rut, the family was warding over him, trying to figure out what to do next.  They tried to keep him away from the guns on the farm, but he got ahold of one anyway.  One morning he absconded to an abandoned chicken coop and blew his brains out Ernest Hemingway style.  Believe me, there was no closure.  There was a lot of repressed grief and outrage, but no closure.  It is now 63 years later.  My grandfather's suicide has passed into family lore.  It is accepted as a terrible event from generations past.  But there really isn't "closure."  My father was three years old when his father took his own life.  That one fateful event blackened his psyche.  I was born decades after the event, but I would by lying if I denied my grandfather's suicide had a destructive influence on me for what it did to my father.  When it comes to terrible events in families, there is no "closure."  That's an Oprah-style myth. 

The Ramsey survivors will have to accept and live with what happened to JonBonet.  You can accept that which is unbearable on the terms of its unbearability...but "closure"?  I'm afraid not.

Your post completely overran and misinterpreted my comment.

Your post completely overran and misinterpreted my comment.
so what you're saying is, you're guilty. yes? ???

so what you're saying is, you're guilty. yes? ???



No.  He took my comment to mean that I was personally invested in what happened or personally affected.  I'm neither.  I would just like to see some kind of definitive answer given to the family, that's all. 

No.  He took my comment to mean that I was personally invested in what happened or personally affected.  I'm neither.  I would just like to see some kind of definitive answer given to the family, that's all. 


That makes sense to me.

The Ramsey survivors will have to accept and live with what happened to JonBonet.  You can accept that which is unbearable on the terms of its unbearability...but "closure"?  I'm afraid not.


I think there are different levels of closure in such an emotionally complex situation.  One of those is knowing that the perpetrator of the crime has been caught and is off the streets.  It doesn't close down all issues and all pains for the family, but it does give closure to that particular piece....to what I would guess would be a nagging in the back of a parent's mind ... a quiet little voice saying, "he's still out there somewhere...he's still out there somewhere..."

I think there are different levels of closure in such an emotionally complex situation.  One of those is knowing that the perpetrator of the crime has been caught and is off the streets.  It doesn't close down all issues and all pains for the family, but it does give closure to that particular piece....to what I would guess would be a nagging in the back of a parent's mind ... a quiet little voice saying, "he's still out there somewhere...he's still out there somewhere..."

In the case of JBR, I don't think he is still out there because he never was.  Dad will take the secret to his own grave.

It is important to put these things in perspective.  The media runs a million human interest stories exposing a million family tragedies because the public laps them up.  In my family's past there is tragedy.  I hope there will be no more in the future.  In every town and every neighborhood there are families wtih agonizing events from which they will not recover for generations. It is part of the human condition.  I am not saying it is right.  I am not saying it is "wrong" either.  I am saying it "is."  The commonality of tragedy does not diminish the suffering of the Ramsey family.  I would not present it to them as a salve for their woes.  That would be crass.  Neither you, nor I, nor anybody we know is in the Ramsey family, nor were we directly affected by the events in the Ramsey home of December, 1996.  You can vicariously feel as though you are personally invested in the JBR case.  You vicariously feel as though you are personally invested in the goings-on about "General Hospital."  Beyond the following reaction, "A little girl was murdered in Boulder, and nobody knows who did it? How terrible! That poor family," you merely engage in voyeuristic infotainment soap opera.  Fine if that's your bag, but it really does no good to become distressed about it.

Closure?  Even if they find the sick bastard who murdered JBR and string him up by his toenails, the Ramseys will never find "closure."  That's a myth.  For instance, my paternal grandfather committed suicide in 1943.  He was bipolar (manic-depressive, they used to call it).  Discharged from the military and in a rut, the family was warding over him, trying to figure out what to do next.  They tried to keep him away from the guns on the farm, but he got ahold of one anyway.  One morning he absconded to an abandoned chicken coop and blew his brains out Ernest Hemingway style.  Believe me, there was no closure.  There was a lot of repressed grief and outrage, but no closure.  It is now 63 years later.  My grandfather's suicide has passed into family lore.  It is accepted as a terrible event from generations past.  But there really isn't "closure."  My father was three years old when his father took his own life.  That one fateful event blackened his psyche.  I was born decades after the event, but I would by lying if I denied my grandfather's suicide had a destructive influence on me for what it did to my father.  When it comes to terrible events in families, there is no "closure."  That's an Oprah-style myth. 

The Ramsey survivors will have to accept and live with what happened to JonBonet.  You can accept that which is unbearable on the terms of its unbearability...but "closure"?  I'm afraid not.


Good point there, Max.

A friend of mine who lost his youngest son told me "You know LyricBoy, people ask me if I ever will get over it.  I don't think i will ever get over it, but I have managed to get around it."

An eloquent way of putting things. 

Good point there, Max.

A friend of mine who lost his youngest son told me "You know LyricBoy, people ask me if I ever will get over it.  I don't think i will ever get over it, but I have managed to get around it."

An eloquent way of putting things. 


I asked a friend of mine whose son committed suicide at the age of 25, "Paul, how do you deal with such a loss?" He said, "There was life before my son killed himself, and there is life after my son killed himself. No sense in pretending it will ever be the same."  He talked about battles with the booze, the marital problems, the therapy, and the antidepressants...and the whole series replaying over again! 
Losing a family member to suicide is in some ways worse than losing one to homicide.  Not hard to imagine why.  As for unsolved homicides, of course families of victims should pursue justice.

One question--
Did the cops pick up Mark Karr in an unmarked car?
:P

From what I've seen I don't think he killed JBR.  His past with underaged girls suggests he'd be happy in Utah with those polygamists who get expelled from LDS and shack up in shanty towns in the desert!

Tha saddest part of all of this is that for the next several months it is going to be JonBenet TV.  All JonBenet, all the time.

Tha saddest part of all of this is that for the next several months it is going to be JonBenet TV.  All JonBenet, all the time.

You know, JBR never really disappeared from the tabloids.  The stories grew sporadic in the past few years, but they never stopped exploiting JBR.  This throws a can of gasoline on a dying fire!
::)

You know, JBR never really disappeared from the tabloids.  The stories grew sporadic in the past few years, but they never stopped exploiting JBR.  This throws a can of gasoline on a dying fire!
::)


And even when the DNA results come in completely exonerating this doofus Karr, the tabliods and CourTV will be able to dredge the whole thang up, over and over, and talk about how the "real killer" went free.  "This guy even admitted that he did it, what more do they need" will be the cry.

What they ought to do is just have a JonB channel where anybody who wants to know about this can go get their fix.  Then leave the rest of us in peace.  Ditto for Natalee Holloway and whatever disappearee-of-the-week comes to be.

It still steams me that if a black or latina turns up missing, it is buried on page 3 of the sports section.  The whole "crime TV" genre is definitely racist.  >:(

...Just saw on the news wires that Mr. Karr is flying back to the U S of A in Business Class and is not even handcuffed.

He was sucking down champagne, chardonnay, and king prawns, clinking glasses with his federal agent escort.

This guy is going to make the Feds and the Colorado Authorities look like World Class schnooks.  ;D

...Just saw on the news wires that Mr. Karr is flying back to the U S of A in Business Class and is not even handcuffed.

He was sucking down champagne, chardonnay, and king prawns, clinking glasses with his federal agent escort.

nice! i'm in the wrong line of work, i tell ya.

And even when the DNA results come in completely exonerating this doofus Karr, the tabliods and CourTV will be able to dredge the whole thang up, over and over, and talk about how the "real killer" went free.  "This guy even admitted that he did it, what more do they need" will be the cry.

What they ought to do is just have a JonB channel where anybody who wants to know about this can go get their fix.  Then leave the rest of us in peace.  Ditto for Natalee Holloway and whatever disappearee-of-the-week comes to be.

It still steams me that if a black or latina turns up missing, it is buried on page 3 of the sports section.  The whole "crime TV" genre is definitely racist.  >:(

Sports section? More of a sport than a crime, eh?
:-X
Well, what about O.J.?  Oh, that was a famous black man killing two white people, including his white wife!  I always said, if O.J. Simpson had been Oscar Simpson, the bus driver from South Central, who killed his white GF and another white guy, he'd be sitting on death row right now!

IMO, Natalee Holloway was the first porn start never to be a porn star.  She eve hand a porn star-sounding name!  Yeah, I know what you're thinking Mr. Indignant Television Commentator!  Them Dutch boys done did what you wanted to do.  I thought some of that Holloway outrage was envy!  Right Sean Hannity?  I've see the same phenomenon regarding other missing May Queens, but none so prolonged as Holloway.

JonBonet redux also gave Mark Klass the opportunity to get on TV and yell about his daughter again!  I'm waiting for John Walsh.  These two guys are a couple of jerks.  Sorry, the worst thing in the world happening to your child does not give you a lifelong immunity from jerk-hood!  Klass was hollaring about how hurt and outraged he was that Karr had pictures of Polly in his cell.  Uh, Mark, you did start the Polly Klass Foundation.  We are all grateful for your actvism, but I'll bet dollars to doughnuts there are hundreds of pervos downloading Polly's pictures every chance they get.  It's one thing to take action on behalf of other victims, it's another to gratuitously promote hatred of a suspect.

Now I do notice similar stories involving poor black or latin kids.  Guys like Bill O'Reilly use them as excuses to call excoriate poor people as "bad parents," or  to indict government social service agencies.  I don't see the same kind of fetishism as there is for JBR or Natalee.

In this case who ever did it, should be treated like it was 1880. Get a rope and string the varmint up!!

...Just saw on the news wires that Mr. Karr is flying back to the U S of A in Business Class and is not even handcuffed.

He was sucking down champagne, chardonnay, and king prawns, clinking glasses with his federal agent escort.

This guy is going to make the Feds and the Colorado Authorities look like World Class schnooks.   ;D


Latest conspiracy theory:  Karl Rove is using JBR/Karr a distraction from this story:
http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/08/17/domesticspying.lawsuit/index.html
Granted the Judge Diggs Taylor decision is a great opportunity to talk about "judicial tyranny" and the "Dem agenda undermining the War on Terror," but what the Bushies are doing is unconstitutional, criminal, and eminently impeachable.  Better to push a red herring than let the public get too focused on your treason.  Not that there's anything the public can do about it!
Further conjecture: Neil Bush previously met Mark Karr in Thailand.  It's a stretch, but it wouldn't be the first time.  Neil Bush was a friend of Scott Hinckley, John Hinckley's older brother!

In this case who ever did it, should be treated like it was 1880. Get a rope and string the varmint up!!

The great thing about the Wild West justice system is you could just get a rope and string the varmint up.  You didn't have to prove the guy was guilty, the salt-of-the-earth homesteaders had just to point the finger, and the job was done!  Thus, the folks got justice in  emotion and spirit, which, it turns out, is more important to Americans than justice in fact.  Hence the frustration over the couldn't-possibly-have-done-it Mark Karr.  In 1880 Texas, he would have dangled in under 48 hours.  Too bad.  Karr's got such a nice pencil-neck for hangin'!

"You've got to remember that these are just simple farmers. These are people of the land. The common clay of the new West. You know... morons."

--Jim, the Waco Kid

The great thing about the Wild West justice system is you could just get a rope and string the varmint up.  You didn't have to prove the guy was guilty, the salt-of-the-earth homesteaders had just to point the finger, and the job was done! 
now, now, max! everybody's guilty of SOMEthing. why do you hate justice and america?

now, now, max! everybody's guilty of SOMEthing. why do you hate justice and america?


FOX News could use a man like you!

FOX News could use a man like you!
well, i'm actually being a bit fakey but at this point i really can't afford to be too picky, job wise.

er... i mean, are you insinuating that fox isn't fair and balanced? ya lib?

well, i'm actually being a bit fakey but at this point i really can't afford to be too picky, job wise.

er... i mean, are you insinuating that fox isn't fair and balanced? ya lib?

HOW TO GET A JOB AT FOX NEWS:

Start in college.  Join the campus Republican Club. Write for the right-wing Newspaper in campus.  If there isn't one, start one.  If you don't like the existing one, start another one.  Apply for grants for Mellon-Scaife, Olin, Bradley, Heritage, American Enterprise, and such foundations.  They're happy to bankroll "The Campus Conservative" for you, or whatever you wanna call it.  If you're trying to start a new one, no problem.  Two is better than one. They'll give you money all the same.  These same foundations will help you get your right wing pundits to speak on campus---Dinesh D'Souza, Ann Coulter, Laura Ingram, William Bennett, or whoever you want.  Again, money's no problem.  These foundations have plenty of dough.  It doesn't matter if 30 people or 3000 people show up.  The speakers get paid all the same.  The important thing is to get your name at the top of the lists of organizers.
The next thing you do, starting in your sophomore year, is apply for internships with Heritage, Competitive Enterprise, American Enterprise, Young America's, or whatever you like.  Just make sure it's not a think tank such as Brookings, that might red flag you as a closet liberal.
After you make your bones at one of the think tanks, then you can apply for an internship at FOX News.  Never take the American flag off your lapel, never stop smiling, never fail to congratulate the GOP on all their endeavors, and you will soon find yourself in an associate producer position....from there, who knows.
If your an extremely good-looking girl or boy, you can do certain special things to help expedite the process.  If you do enough of these certain special things, you might even get a job in front of the camera, and wouldn't that be exciting!
Remember, to work at FOX, you don't actually have to know anything about politics, history, current events, or economics.  In fact, it helps if you don't have any opinions of your own.  That way you can read the daily talking points without any annoying thoughts getting in the way!
Furthermore, beware it is extremely easy to be too liberal, but extremely difficult to be too conservative.  You can even advocate a governmental Office of Censorship and threaten to beat up Al Franken!  Just ask Brian Kilmeade, he did both!
:D

Problem is, the Ramsays left Georgia in 1991 when JonB was but a year old.

I now have FIFTY BUCKS that says that this John Karr is a nut case who did NOT do the crime.

On TV he was all about "yeah I did it" and "i loved her" and "it was an accident".  But when they asked him "How did you gain entry to the house?" he said he could not go into that.  It is classic con-man behavior.

He also said that he raped JonB, but that is inconsistent with the evidence.  The cops never said she was raped, just had "vaginal abrasions".

If they do not have DNA on this doofus he'll be cut loose.  At least for the JohnB murder anyway.  :-\\
Just because she only had "vaginal abrasions" does not necessarily mean she wasn't raped.  Trust me, my "first" probably wouldn't have left ANY marks....this guy doesn't look like he's packing a "python" if you get my drift ;)

Seriously, this guy needs to be locked away and the key conveniently "lost" (like NASA did with the "moon landing" tapes).  Like others have said, he's wanted for other charges and it looks like he's got quite a history of misbehavior with little girls >:(

Just because she only had "vaginal abrasions" does not necessarily mean she wasn't raped.  Trust me, my "first" probably wouldn't have left ANY marks....this guy doesn't look like he's packing a "python" if you get my drift ;)

Seriously, this guy needs to be locked away and the key conveniently "lost" (like NASA did with the "moon landing" tapes).  Like others have said, he's wanted for other charges and it looks like he's got quite a history of misbehavior with little girls >:(

He's got a long neck.  You know what they say about guys with long necks, doncha?
::)

Yes, he's got quite a history of misbehavior with little girls.  Better to have the folks focus on Mr. Karr and his history of misbehavior with little girls than on the Bush Administration and their history of fascistic, unconstitutional policy-making!
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060817/ap_on_go_pr_wh/warrantless_surveillance

i'm not sure i buy the diversion-from-unconstitutional-finding theory. isn't some court or another finding bush unconstitutional every day of the week?

i remember they found chandra levy's skeleton at some funny point, there was something funny going on and theories went around about how it was meant to divert us from it. and i don't even remember what it was so... mission accomplished!

i'm not sure i buy the diversion-from-unconstitutional-finding theory. isn't some court or another finding bush unconstitutional every day of the week?

i remember they found chandra levy's skeleton at some funny point, there was something funny going on and theories went around about how it was meant to divert us from it. and i don't even remember what it was so... mission accomplished!


(snaps his fingers)
I just figured it out! Rep. Gary Condit set up 9/11!

The two most insensitive remarks I heard on 9/11/01:

"I never liked those buildings anyway, they f**ked up the skyline."
--My friend Sam, a native New Yorker

"Great day for Gary Condit!"
--My dad, via email

;D

(snaps his fingers)
I just figured it out! Rep. Gary Condit set up 9/11!

The two most insensitive remarks I heard on 9/11/01:

"I never liked those buildings anyway, they f**ked up the skyline."
--My friend Sam, a native New Yorker

"Great day for Gary Condit!"
--My dad, via email

;D
most everybody hated the trade towers! my favorite story is how the 1974 movie "herbie rides again" is a harsh indictment of the trade towers. before they came to symbolize america besieged they were kinda an eyesore... :-[