This just end

"Everybody makes mistakes!"

Stunning News update

"Even people who believe in God sometimes do bad things, Webster defined it as sinning"

It maybe the end of the world as we know it

"Nobody's perfect, Nobody, I repeat absoultely no one!"

Ah!!!!! I don't believe it, I just don't believe it.

I will see a Mel Gibson movie again, infact I think I'll put Lethal Weapon in here in a minute.

Mel Gibson is another case for "money doesn't buy you happiness."  He's battling some serious inner demons. 

Good thing he got in good with the Christian Right with Passion before DUI and cursing out the Jews.  The Christian Right, joined by Jewish peers on the Right, such as Dennis Prager, will make excuses for Mel high and low, day in day out.  Whatever the Christian Right does, the corporate Right endorses, and it is the corporate Right that controls the mainstream media.

Mel Gibson cannot be anti-Semitic.  Why?  Because the Christian Right likes him.  The Christian Right cannot be anti-Semitic.  Why? Because they support Israel.  You can say this is illogical, but we are talking about the an apocalyptic cult.  That's what the American Evangelical movement is, and that is all it is.  The Evangelical movement's motivations are financial greed and their own eternal righteousness.  One or both of these arguments will always override logic.  Again, the corporate media, enlaved to the Evangelical's political party for the impending apocalypse, the Republican party, will ape the behavior of the Christian Right.

As talk show host Dennis Prager put it, Gibson is as Paul on the road to Damascus because Gibson got drunk, cursed out the yids, and said he was sorry the next day.  Stone cold logic!

You can say you hate Jews, just as long as you apologise.  You cannot say you hate the policies of the state of Israel.  Then you really are anti-Semite!

The Right was talking about a political career for Mel.  Perhaps he could take over in Sacramento after the reign of Ahhhnold.  I don't think Mel could win an election in California after this scandal, but if he runs as a Republican, he can not win and still take office!

How many 50-year-old alcoholics get apprehended for DUI, make bigoted remarks, and menace a female officer with lewd suggestions? Lots.  Mel represents his demographic well.  The other guys get to just sleep it off.  Mel doesn't.  Not fair.

What if Michael Moore got pulled over for drunk driving and repeated Gibson's behavior measure-for-measure?  The media pundits would be saying, "Awww, Mike's a good old boy who just made a mistake.  He said he was sorry."  NOT!
:P

Actually, right-winger Bernard Goldberg says conservatives oughta nail Gibson's hide to the wall, but as Mel would slur,
"Goldberg, eh? Your people killed Jesus!"

Mel Gibson is another case for "money doesn't buy you happiness."  He's battling some serious inner demons. 

Good thing he got in good with the Christian Right with Passion before DUI and cursing out the Jews.  The Christian Right, joined by Jewish peers on the Right, such as Dennis Prager, will make excuses for Mel high and low, day in day out.  Whatever the Christian Right does, the corporate Right endorses, and it is the corporate Right that controls the mainstream media.

Mel Gibson cannot be anti-Semitic.  Why?  Because the Christian Right likes him.  The Christian Right cannot be anti-Semitic.  Why? Because they support Israel.  You can say this is illogical, but we are talking about the an apocalyptic cult.  That's what the American Evangelical movement is, and that is all it is.  The Evangelical movement's motivations are financial greed and their own eternal righteousness.  One or both of these arguments will always override logic.  Again, the corporate media, enlaved to the Evangelical's political party for the impending apocalypse, the Republican party, will ape the behavior of the Christian Right.

As talk show host Dennis Prager put it, Gibson is as Paul on the road to Damascus because Gibson got drunk, cursed out the yids, and said he was sorry the next day.  Stone cold logic!

You can say you hate Jews, just as long as you apologise.  You cannot say you hate the policies of the state of Israel.  Then you really are anti-Semite!

The Right was talking about a political career for Mel.  Perhaps he could take over in Sacramento after the reign of Ahhhnold.  I don't think Mel could win an election in California after this scandal, but if he runs as a Republican, he can not win and still take office!

How many 50-year-old alcoholics get apprehended for DUI, make bigoted remarks, and menace a female officer with lewd suggestions? Lots.  Mel represents his demographic well.  The other guys get to just sleep it off.  Mel doesn't.  Not fair.

What if Michael Moore got pulled over for drunk driving and repeated Gibson's behavior measure-for-measure?  The media pundits would be saying, "Awww, Mike's a good old boy who just made a mistake.  He said he was sorry."  NOT!
:P

Actually, right-winger Bernard Goldberg says conservatives oughta nail Gibson's hide to the wall, but as Mel would slur,
"Goldberg, eh? Your people killed Jesus!"


I agree with how you represented this paradox, about how you can say you hate Jews and apologize, but if you insult Israel you're an anti-Semite. However, the only reason the Christian Right likes Jews (and only marginally) is that we "have" Israel. And it fits into the apocalyptic cult worldview that you mentioned.

It was the worst thing that ever happened to us that we got a nation. I would've been glad not to have a "homeland." My homeland isn't Israel. It's the US, and beyond that, it's Germany, Poland, Lithuania, and the Russian and Austro-Hungarian empires, all of which sort of screwed us over, even more than their own "native peoples." 

my astonishingly acute intuition tells me mel probably IS an antisemite. passion of the christ made me REALLY nervous, i've heard interviews with his dad talking about "the so-called 'holocaust'", and somehow i've managed to get drunk many many times throughout life without ever launching into a jewhating tirade. did a lot of other embarrassing stuff, much of which is in writing on this message board, but never did that.

i'm just sayin'...

I'm amazed at all the media finger pointing throughout this. As if their hands are clean as well.

Excuse me while I just pick myself up off the floor and stop laughing. 'hatred of any kind etc' from the man who has made no effort to show how much he hates the British...................he's just a sad sack.

Being drunk is no excuse for saying or doing something stupid, I don't care how much cash you have.

my astonishingly acute intuition tells me mel probably IS an antisemite. passion of the christ made me REALLY nervous, i've heard interviews with his dad talking about "the so-called 'holocaust'", and somehow i've managed to get drunk many many times throughout life without ever launching into a jewhating tirade. did a lot of other embarrassing stuff, much of which is in writing on this message board, but never did that.

i'm just sayin'...

Ain't that puzzlin'?  I've said and done numerous embarrassing things inebriated.  Somehow I never got around to "the effin' Jews this, and the effin' Jews that," but I'm not quite as old as Mel, and haven't been sh#tfaced nearly so many times!

Ain't that puzzlin'?  I've said and done numerous embarrassing things inebriated.  Somehow I never got around to "the effin' Jews this, and the effin' Jews that," but I'm not quite as old as Mel, and haven't been sh#tfaced nearly so many times!


Didn't Elvis Costello say something about "n*ggers" once while inebriated? Or something? One thing I've always wondered is the truth of vino es veritae...which is the reason I keep my drinking to wine, at a minimum.

Didn't Elvis Costello say something about "n*ggers" once while inebriated? Or something? One thing I've always wondered is the truth of vino es veritae...which is the reason I keep my drinking to wine, at a minimum.


I am not forgiving Elvis COstello for anyhting he may or may not have said, I have never heard of this before now.

However, you do have to realize that Elvis Costello was not born in America.  England does not quite have the same issues with the word then we do here in the US.  In fact, until the late 1960's, "N Word" was a common name for black dogs in England.  Anybody who has seen the movie "The Dam Busters", or clips of that movie in "Pink FLoyd - The Wall" will hear it used there, and nobody thought anything of it.

In a similar way, my Ex knew nothing of American Culture when she moved here from Argentina when she was 17.  She has told me of many faux paux she did when she first moved here.  Even all these years later, she still makes them on occasion, simply because she was raised in a different culture.

This does not excuse their actions, but it does give some mediating circumstances to what they did.

Didn't Elvis Costello say something about "n*ggers" once while inebriated? Or something? One thing I've always wondered is the truth of vino es veritae...which is the reason I keep my drinking to wine, at a minimum.



Manachevitz?  ;D ;D ;D  Going off topic here-when I was kid, I hated wine because the only wine that was in the house was Manachevitz. As I got older, I discovered there was something called "white wine" and "blush".


I must admit that I am very torn with this topic. I have been a major Mel fan for years (what can I say, the guy is very yummy). But with this lastest bit, it really is hard to ignore. Being of Jewish descent myself, I find it really disturbing. I have always felt that alcohol is a bit of a "truth serum". How a person acts or what they say under the influences, says what kind of person they really are. So, I am having this inner battle about a guy that I have admired for years and who he may truly be.



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Didn't Elvis Costello say something about "n*ggers" once while inebriated? Or something? One thing I've always wondered is the truth of vino es veritae...which is the reason I keep my drinking to wine, at a minimum.

I can't remember what it was he said, but he offended Latin-Americans in the late '70s.  He then apologised and declared he was "not a racist."  I don't think he was drunk, he was just being the dick he often was in his early career.

There was also the line from one of my favorite EC songs, "Oliver's Army"
"It only takes one itchy trigger,
One more widow,
One less white n*gg*r!"

The "Oliver" in the song referred to Oliver Cromwell, British Head of State (1653-1658), and what EC saw as a modern version of Cromwell's New Model Army (not to be confused with the band).  
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Model_Army
In other words, EC saw the British military taking advantage of the poverty and idleness among young men in Northern Ireland and recruiting them into an imperialist campaign that would serve to kill other poor people.  Fellow Irish were foremost, but the song also includes the line,
"If you're out of luck or out of work,
We could send you to Johannesburg!"
South Africa at the time (1978) was suffering the worst civil violence the apartheid state had ever seen.  Now, "white n*gg*rs" had long refered to the Irish as a slam against the British.  The British empire had persecuted the Irish as much as it had the peoples of color around the world, hence "white n*gg*r."  This also implies some kinship between the Irish and the indigenous people of South Africa.  So you can see, "Oliver's Army" is clearly an anti-imperialist and anti-racist song.

Don't start that talking
I could talk all night
My mind is sleepwalking
While I'm putting the world to right

Call careers information
Have you got yourself an occupation?

Oliver's army is here to stay
Oliver's army are on their way
And I would rather be anywhere else
But here today

There was a checkpoint Charlie
He didn't crack a smile
But it's no laughing party
When you've been on the murder mile

Only takes one itchy trigger
One more widow, one less white n/gg/r

Oliver's army is here to stay
Oliver's army are on their way
And I would rather be anywhere else
But here today

Hong Kong is up for grabs
London is full of Arabs
We could be in Palestine
Overrun by a Chinese line
With the boys from the Mersey and the Thames and the Tyne

But there's no danger
It's a professional career
Though it could be arranged
With just a word in Mr. Churchill's ear

If you're out of luck or out of work
We could send you to Johannesburg


Oliver's army is here to stay,
Oliver's army are on their way,
And I would rather be anywhere else
But here today,
And I would rather be anywhere else
But here today,
And I would rather be anywhere else
But here today,
oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh ......

I can't remember what it was he said, but he offended Latin-Americans in the late '70s.  He then apologised and declared he was "not a racist."  I don't think he was drunk, he was just being the dick he often was in his early career.

There was also the line from one of my favorite EC songs, "Oliver's Army"
"It only takes one itchy trigger,
One more widow,
One less white n*gg*r!"

The "Oliver" in the song referred to Oliver Cromwell, British Head of State (1653-1658), and what EC saw as a modern version of Cromwell's New Model Army (not to be confused with the band).  
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Model_Army
In other words, EC saw the British military taking advantage of the poverty and idleness among young men in Northern Ireland and recruiting them into an imperialist campaign that would serve to kill other poor people.  Fellow Irish were foremost, but the song also includes the line,
"If you're out of luck or out of work,
We could send you to Johannesburg!"
South Africa at the time (1978) was suffering the worst civil violence the apartheid state had ever seen.  Now, "white n*gg*rs" had long refered to the Irish as a slam against the British.  The British empire had persecuted the Irish as much as it had the peoples of color around the world, hence "white n*gg*r."  This also implies some kinship between the Irish and the indigenous people of South Africa.  So you can see, "Oliver's Army" is clearly an anti-imperialist and anti-racist song.

Don't start that talking
I could talk all night
My mind is sleepwalking
While I'm putting the world to right

Call careers information
Have you got yourself an occupation?

Oliver's army is here to stay
Oliver's army are on their way
And I would rather be anywhere else
But here today

There was a checkpoint Charlie
He didn't crack a smile
But it's no laughing party
When you've been on the murder mile

Only takes one itchy trigger
One more widow, one less white n/gg/r

Oliver's army is here to stay
Oliver's army are on their way
And I would rather be anywhere else
But here today

Hong Kong is up for grabs
London is full of Arabs
We could be in Palestine
Overrun by a Chinese line
With the boys from the Mersey and the Thames and the Tyne

But there's no danger
It's a professional career
Though it could be arranged
With just a word in Mr. Churchill's ear

If you're out of luck or out of work
We could send you to Johannesburg


Oliver's army is here to stay,
Oliver's army are on their way,
And I would rather be anywhere else
But here today,
And I would rather be anywhere else
But here today,
And I would rather be anywhere else
But here today,
oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh ......






There was also something said about Morrissey's "hating Pakistanis and West Indians" and the Cure's "anti-Arabic tendencies", both of which were either misperceptions, or in the case of Morrissey, just Morrissey speaking without thinking, as he oftentimes seems to do.

Here's a wikipedia entry on the incident which I referred to:

His success in the US was severely bruised when, during a drunken argument with Stephen Stills and Bonnie Bramlett in a Columbus, Ohio Holiday Inn hotel bar, Costello referred to James Brown as a "jive-ass ******", then upped the ante by pronouncing Ray Charles a "blind, ignorant ******".

Bramlett and friends had evidently been baiting Costello with derisive comments about British rock music in general and "sawed-off Limey"-type comments aimed at him in particular.

A contrite Costello apologised at a New York City press conference a few days later, claiming that he had been drunk and had been attempting to be obnoxious in order to bring the conversation to a swift conclusion, not anticipating that Bramlett would bring his comments to the press.

According to Costello, "it became necessary for me to outrage these people with about the most obnoxious and offensive remarks that I could muster". In his liner notes for the expanded version of Get Happy!!, Costello writes that some time after the incident he had declined an offer to meet Charles out of guilt and embarrassment, though Charles himself had graciously forgiven Costello ("Drunken talk isn't meant to be printed in the paper").

It is notable that Costello worked extensively in Britain's Rock Against Racism campaign both before and after this interlude. This incident specifically inspired his Get Happy! song (see) Riot Act.

I don't hold it against Elvis Costello, though. I think he sincerely isn't racist, and I can trust him on that...and even if he were, he wouldn't have enough power to sway people and whatnot. Ditto with Eduard Degas, a famous anti-Semite who was also one of my favorite painters. T.S. Eliot is another "renowned anti-Semite", though I think he may have mended his ways in the 1940s.