I started this thread because I want to hear people's opinions and views on Marijuana. I don't have any intentions to start talking about doing drugs or that sort of thing, I just want hear how it's viewed by other people and the laws against it in other areas.



My views on pot are that it should be not just decriminalized, but fully legalized. I have nothing against people who smoke pot, but it isn't my thing anymore - I gave it up a long time ago.



In my town, Marijuana laws are extremely lax and virtually nobody gets busted for it. Pretty much the only time there every is a bust is when kids are caught with it. Our local head shop sells weed and mushrooms over the counter and everybody knows that, plus BC Bud is world renowned I hear  8). In fact, one of British Columbia's main industries is Marijuana.



I find that odd considering everywhere I know of that has laws against possession has stricter laws against sale. I suppose you are talking about those less than 18 years old.

Marijuana is still Schedule 1 in the USA, which is the strictest DEA scheduling. Locally, getting caught with a small amount and having a clean record will more than likely result in a small fine and no felony conviction.


In my opinion Marijauna should be treated as Tobacco is. I mean after all, it's just a plant.


Well, I'd have to disagree with you there. First of all, tobacco kills more people a year than every other drug combined. The more important thing is that some of the nastiest drugs out there start life off as plants, including heroin and cocaine. Granted the plants are processed and refined extensively before one arrives with smack or crack. However, last time I picked up a High Times magazine, the THC in some varieties of pot was exceeding 30%. I can tell you those "kinds" of numbers aren't ever reached in nature.

I've found other ways (non-chemical) to deal with all the things that, at one time, I thought pot would solve.


....and at ~50$ a 1/4 oz, it's pretty damned expensive too.

My feelings on Mary Jane

A- Don't threaten, kill or hurt no one to get it

B- Don't steal from someone to get it

C- Don't sell items that mean a lot to you or someone else to get it

D- Don't drive a vehicle after using it

E- You follwed A-D...Have fun.

everyone who posted on this thread is coming with me for questioning.

Pot should be legal, no question. It has nothing to do with whether you smoke it, or whether you approve or not of other people smoking it. I'm with Willie Nelson on this one--marijuana prohibition is an enormous waste of law enforcement resources and tax dollars, and is horribly unfair to adults who smoke marijuana responsibily.

I do not believe it is a good idea for children and adolescents to smoke pot. Children for obvious reasons. Adolescents are generally much more vulnerable to negative consequences of consuming marijuana. You are still developing physically, mentally, emotionally, and psychologically in your teenage years. You are struggling with your identity, you are struggling with the authoritarian strictures society imposes on you as a minor. Social struggles, issues of emotional well-being, and issues of self-motivation are much more difficult than when you are older. I saw a lot of kids get hurt by pot. I was one of them. Smoking marijuana did not cause our problems, but it did exacerbate them.

The law does not stop people from using or buying pot. It just makes pot users more discreet. Our government still pushes this Joe Friday anti-pot message, which is full of lies. Kids don't buy the message. They do buy pot. I got busted for simple posession when I was 18. I went to court and got six months probation. Didn't stop me! The next weekend I went to a party and got high! What did stop me was the adverse effects of pot on my mental health. I had severe depression. Whatever the illness did to my brain chemistry made the marijuana experience much more psycnedelic and intense than it was for most. That's good? No, that's bad! About every third high produced unbearable paranoia and panic anxiety. One time I paced zig-zag fashion up and down a field for over an hour. I did it just to stay focused so I wouldn't thrash about and scream!

I quit until my early thirties. I resumed with no adverse affects, but only smoked sporadically. The only useful function pot has for me is in music appreciation. It helps me hear the music better--whether it's the Beatles, Arnold Schoenberg, John Cage, African drumming, or whatever. I retain the new perceptions subsequently in the absence of the marijuana influence. So that is, in fact, useful to me. The more I understand the music, the better I can produce my radio programs.

The counter culture promoted pot as "liberating." The myth persists today. Pot can be liberating, but like anything else, your liberator can become your jailer.

One of the most hypocritical positions in American conservatism is drug policy. The same conservatives who say they hate big government still want the government to tell people what substances they can and cannot ingest. Furthermore, they want the federal government to override state governments. They didn't want the federal government to tell the states they had to let blacks use the same drinking fountains as whites, but they sure want it to forbid states from even decriminalizing pot. Heck, they don't even think a doctor should be able to prescribe it to treat glaucoma. They say, "Oh well, there's Marinol."* That's not the point. At the roots of conservatism was the belief government should tell people what to do as little as possible. The same conservatives who deliver sermons on "personal responsibility" still want the government to decide for everybody when it comes to drugs. True libertarians agree here, but most libertarians are phonies. They're what I call "business libertarians." Freedom for capital, authoritarianism for people.  As John Dean points out in his new book "Conservatives Without Conscience," the Republican party has confused conservatism with authoritarianism.

A couple of other myths about pot--
1. Marijuana is not a "gateway drug" any more than alcohol is. Pot didn't make me say, "this is good, now let me try some of that crack!"
To be fair, pot did spawn an interest in stronger psychedelics. I eschewed them because of my psychiatric issues, one of the few intelligent choices I made in my youth!
2. Marijuana saps motivation. Again, young people are far more vulnerable to this than older people. However, there are some "adults" who would rather get high than work. There are some "adults" who would rather get drunk than work too! Either way, you either figure out you have a problem and deal with it, or your life goes to pieces. I've seen people ruin their lives with both substances, but it's the people no the substances.  One of my best friends tokes huuuge bong hits every day...after he's busted his butt for fourteen hours running his graphics business! Everybody's different, they've got to work it out for themselves as to what they can and cannot do regarding drugs. The cops and the courts pushing everybody around doesn't help this.
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The reason why marijuana is illegal is because of racism. Back in the 20s and 30s, users were mainly poor Hispanics and African-Americans. It was criminalize in 1937 for fear that the white middle class would use it. As several people have already pointed out, too much $$$$, manpower, etc. has been used to try to combat this "ill on society" when they could be focused on petty stuff, like murderers, rapists, and the like. Also, there is much in the way of medicinal properties in marijuana. I have known a diabetic who used to smoke pot all the time and never had a trace of glaucoma (which is one of the side effects of diabetes). It also helps people going through chemo because it stimulates hunger (which the chemo decreases). It also helps AIDS patients. It is a muscle relaxer which helps with pain from headaches and womanly cramps. There has never been a marijuana-related death (unlike tobacco and alcohol).

Yes, I think it should be legal. But, like several have already pointed out, I don't think it should be given to kids and one should use it responsably-such as, not driving while using it.




Cat

The reason why marijuana is illegal is because of racism.
i also think that a big part of the reason it's illegal is because the establishment isn't big on anything catching on that sparks spiritual expansion or alters the way you perceive reality. there's so much in the modern economy that's predicated on the idea that getting a big family and a big house and an SUV is the only way to live your life and marijuana shows you there's all sorts of different ways to live your life. as jimi says, i'm the one to die when it's time for me to die...

Pot should be legal, no question. It has nothing to do with whether you smoke it, or whether you approve or not of other people smoking it. I'm with Willie Nelson on this one--marijuana prohibition is an enormous waste of law enforcement resources and tax dollars, and is horribly unfair to adults who smoke marijuana responsibily.

I do not believe it is a good idea for children and adolescents to smoke pot. Children for obvious reasons. Adolescents are generally much more vulnerable to negative consequences of consuming marijuana. You are still developing physically, mentally, emotionally, and psychologically in your teenage years. You are struggling with your identity, you are struggling with the authoritarian strictures society imposes on you as a minor. Social struggles, issues of emotional well-being, and issues of self-motivation are much more difficult than when you are older. I saw a lot of kids get hurt by pot. I was one of them. Smoking marijuana did not cause our problems, but it did exacerbate them.

The law does not stop people from using or buying pot. It just makes pot users more discreet. Our government still pushes this Joe Friday anti-pot message, which is full of lies. Kids don't buy the message. They do buy pot. I got busted for simple posession when I was 18. I went to court and got six months probation. Didn't stop me! The next weekend I went to a party and got high! What did stop me was the adverse effects of pot on my mental health. I had severe depression. Whatever the illness did to my brain chemistry made the marijuana experience much more psycnedelic and intense than it was for most. That's good? No, that's bad! About every third high produced unbearable paranoia and panic anxiety. One time I paced zig-zag fashion up and down a field for over an hour. I did it just to stay focused so I wouldn't thrash about and scream!

I quit until my early thirties. I resumed with no adverse affects, but only smoked sporadically. The only useful function pot has for me is in music appreciation. It helps me hear the music better--whether it's the Beatles, Arnold Schoenberg, John Cage, African drumming, or whatever. I retain the new perceptions subsequently in the absence of the marijuana influence. So that is, in fact, useful to me. The more I understand the music, the better I can produce my radio programs.

The counter culture promoted pot as "liberating." The myth persists today. Pot can be liberating, but like anything else, your liberator can become your jailer.

One of the most hypocritical positions in American conservatism is drug policy. The same conservatives who say they hate big government still want the government to tell people what substances they can and cannot ingest. Furthermore, they want the federal government to override state governments. They didn't want the federal government to tell the states they had to let blacks use the same drinking fountains as whites, but they sure want it to forbid states from even decriminalizing pot. Heck, they don't even think a doctor should be able to prescribe it to treat glaucoma. They say, "Oh well, there's Marinol."* That's not the point. At the roots of conservatism was the belief government should tell people what to do as little as possible. The same conservatives who deliver sermons on "personal responsibility" still want the government to decide for everybody when it comes to drugs. True libertarians agree here, but most libertarians are phonies. They're what I call "business libertarians." Freedom for capital, authoritarianism for people.  As John Dean points out in his new book "Conservatives Without Conscience," the Republican party has confused conservatism with authoritarianism.

A couple of other myths about pot--
1. Marijuana is not a "gateway drug" any more than alcohol is. Pot didn't make me say, "this is good, now let me try some of that crack!"
To be fair, pot did spawn an interest in stronger psychedelics. I eschewed them because of my psychiatric issues, one of the few intelligent choices I made in my youth!
2. Marijuana saps motivation. Again, young people are far more vulnerable to this than older people. However, there are some "adults" who would rather get high than work. There are some "adults" who would rather get drunk than work too! Either way, you either figure out you have a problem and deal with it, or your life goes to pieces. I've seen people ruin their lives with both substances, but it's the people no the substances.  One of my best friends tokes huuuge bong hits every day...after he's busted his butt for fourteen hours running his graphics business! Everybody's different, they've got to work it out for themselves as to what they can and cannot do regarding drugs. The cops and the courts pushing everybody around doesn't help this.
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What do you think will happen with the possible legalization of Marijuana? Do you see anyone or any group fighting hard for more legalization.  Say of Heroin or Crack Cocaine?  Those too really don't hurt anyone but the people using it.  I mean A bad stomach ache from Marijuana is a lot different than near death hospital stay from an overdosage of crack but the slippery slope is hard to climb up.

The reason why marijuana is illegal is because of racism. Back in the 20s and 30s, users were mainly poor Hispanics and African-Americans. It was criminalize in 1937 for fear that the white middle class would use it. As several people have already pointed out, too much $$$$, manpower, etc. has been used to try to combat this "ill on society" when they could be focused on petty stuff, like murderers, rapists, and the like. Also, there is much in the way of medicinal properties in marijuana. I have known a diabetic who used to smoke pot all the time and never had a trace of glaucoma (which is one of the side effects of diabetes). It also helps people going through chemo because it stimulates hunger (which the chemo decreases). It also helps AIDS patients. It is a muscle relaxer which helps with pain from headaches and womanly cramps. There has never been a marijuana-related death (unlike tobacco and alcohol).

Yes, I think it should be legal. But, like several have already pointed out, I don't think it should be given to kids and one should use it responsably-such as, not driving while using it.




Cat


I too have seen Marijuana used for good reasons.  I had a teacher back in high school that for very specific reasons was buddy buddy with the junkies around Stillwater.  She had cancer and marijuana was used for a very good purpose.

Interesting you come back to discrimination as the source for Marijuana being illegal.  I wonder if alcohol wasn't such a white supremecy symbolism if it too would be illegal.  Drugs do seem to be in the hands of minorites more often than that of your everyday white suburbanite.  It seems to me that drugs have also really changed in there marketing of age groups.  Back when I was a kid, at least from where I paid attention it was mostly teenagers and young adults using the stuff.  Nowadays I see older and older people doing it.  Or maybe those are the same people still using it.  I don't know. 

Anyway I wonder if there was a vote on it, if blacks and latinos would in large numbers out vote in favor of legalizing marijuana.  I know Woody Harrelson for sure would be at least one white guy voting infavor.

Well, I'd have to disagree with you there. First of all, tobacco kills more people a year than every other drug combined. The more important thing is that some of the nastiest drugs out there start life off as plants, including heroin and cocaine. Granted the plants are processed and refined extensively before one arrives with smack or crack.




  You know, this is a sticking point with me on a couple of grounds:

  * Only anti-drug groups make this claim...
  * I have never seen the report demonstrating this claim...
  * Online links referring to this report result in a dead link representing an anti-drug organization...
  * The nearest thing to validation I've seen is a site at University of Indiana which mentions chemicals considered "potential" carcinogens...

  And once we answer these questions, we have a few others to answer.  For instance, if the report is demonstrated valid, we resolve nothing.  I'm quite sure that smoking any number of foods would be bad for you...


....and at ~50$ a 1/4 oz, it's pretty damned expensive too.



  As a friend pointed out to me a couple of weeks ago: "If pot was legal, I wouldn't smoke it; I could afford to eat it." :P  Right now smoking pot is the most economic use of a plant that, often, costs more than gold...

What do you think will happen with the possible legalization of Marijuana? Do you see anyone or any group fighting hard for more legalization.  Say of Heroin or Crack Cocaine?  Those too really don't hurt anyone but the people using it.  I mean A bad stomach ache from Marijuana is a lot different than near death hospital stay from an overdosage of crack but the slippery slope is hard to climb up.

Marijuana does not give you a stomach ache. Quite the reverse. Marijuana is an anti-emetic and anti-nausea agent. One caveat, it is possible to get stomach ache from smoking pot secondarily to an adverse psychological reaction to the drug. I suppose you could also get a stomach ace if you got the munchies and a a whole half gallon of ice cream!
;D

Cat is correct, Hearst the newspaper magnate wanted hemp banned because hemp was used to make paper products. Hearst wanted to sell his tracts of timber instead. Hemp makes far better paper than wood pulp, but when a rich man wants to get richer, America doesn't just say no! Only a few strands of cannibis possess psychoactive properties. If you smoked the hemp they used for paper, you'd sure cough, but you wouldn't get off. Thus the scare-mongers in the '30s blew the cannibis sativa problem out of proportion. You should see reefer madness, it's a scream! As usual, they used racism in the campaign, and at the core, the message was "Marihuana makes Negro and Mexican men horny for white woman." Rotten, but effective!

Tia may also have a point--the psychoactive effects of marijuana may contraindicate the psychactive effects of the ubiquitous soma known as advertising.  We can't take that chance now, can we? You might get men and women in beads and Indian garb grooving to the hydrogen jukebox out in the woods instead of shopping a the mall!
:P

  Don't forget the health benefits, Max.  Hempseed has an excellent omega-3 content, according to advocates... :P

Marijuana does not give you a stomach ache. Quite the reverse. Marijuana is an anti-emetic and anti-nausea agent. One caveat, it is possible to get stomach ache from smoking pot secondarily to an adverse psychological reaction to the drug. I suppose you could also get a stomach ace if you got the munchies and a a whole half gallon of ice cream!
;D

Cat is correct, Hearst the newspaper magnate wanted hemp banned because hemp was used to make paper products. Hearst wanted to sell his tracts of timber instead. Hemp makes far better paper than wood pulp, but when a rich man wants to get richer, America doesn't just say no! Only a few strands of cannibis possess psychoactive properties. If you smoked the hemp they used for paper, you'd sure cough, but you wouldn't get off. Thus the scare-mongers in the '30s blew the cannibis sativa problem out of proportion. You should see reefer madness, it's a scream! As usual, they used racism in the campaign, and at the core, the message was "Marihuana makes Negro and Mexican men horny for white woman." Rotten, but effective!

Tia may also have a point--the psychoactive effects of marijuana may contraindicate the psychactive effects of the ubiquitous soma known as advertising.  We can't take that chance now, can we? You might get men and women in beads and Indian garb grooving to the hydrogen jukebox out in the woods instead of shopping a the mall!
:P


You know they don't allow Mongooses in the United States either.  I like Mongooses and would vote in favor of them before I would Marijuana.  I think if the voting ever does come about, or if it's something that is voted on.  I personally wouldn't vote.  I don't care either way.  I'm happy with those that wanna get high and those who don't.

You know they don't allow Mongooses in the United States either.  I like Mongooses and would vote in favor of them before I would Marijuana.  I think if the voting ever does come about, or if it's something that is voted on.  I personally wouldn't vote.  I don't care either way.  I'm happy with those that wanna get high and those who don't.

Ever tried to smoke a mongoose? Well, they don't particularly like it.
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   You know, this is a sticking point with me on a couple of grounds:

   * Only anti-drug groups make this claim...



I am not anti drug, but I do not endorse using them either. I don't make this claim because I'm part of some anti-drug group, it's because I have entirely too much real, first hand information about things which I'd rather not, and definitely rather not see others go through.

I suppose quoting myself is in order since you apparently missed or skipped this:


My views on pot are that it should be not just decriminalized, but fully legalized. I have nothing against people who smoke pot, but it isn't my thing anymore - I gave it up a long time ago.



Yep, that sounds anti-drug to me.  ::)



   * I have never seen the report demonstrating this claim...
   * Online links referring to this report result in a dead link representing an anti-drug organization...
   * The nearest thing to validation I've seen is a site at University of Indiana which mentions chemicals considered "potential" carcinogens...



As for my claim that tobacco kills more people than all other drugs combined, here's your report:

http://www.a1b2c3.com/drugs/gen008.htm

You'll notice it is from a pro-drug website. You might also notice that the numbers are dated a bit and don't include all drugs, but even factoring in deaths from OC, Xanax, etc. they still don't add up to tobacco's figures.

As for my claim that heroin and cocaine are extensively processed and refined plant matter, well, read up on a few syntheses for them.


   And once we answer these questions, we have a few others to answer.  For instance, if the report is demonstrated valid, we resolve nothing.


This isn't a question, but a statement. But, if you have more questions, by all means, ask away.


I'm quite sure that smoking any number of foods would be bad for you...


We are not talking about food here. My original reply to Fred was based on him saying "after all, it's just a plant". Lots of things are plants or natural, but that doesn't make them safe by any means. Statistically, tobacco is the most dangerous plant known to man.

Ever tried to smoke a mongoose? Well, they don't particularly like it.
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No but I did once watch a Mongoose smoke a King Cobra, and I did very much particularly like seeing that.

I have to pipe in on this one.  ::)

When you compare the social ills of marijuana use to those of alcohol it is very apparent which is worse. Alcohol is not only physically addicting, it has been the downfall of many great lives and minds. It has almost killed me on a few occasions. How many of you have gone through hard-core alcohol withdrawal? I have- And let me tell you: It isn't pretty! Delirium Tremens is very real!

Marijuana is not physically addicting, and has never caused any deaths that I'm aware of. The opposite is true from my experience. When is the last time you heard of some guy getting really stoned and then beating his wife/girlfriend? Or getting into a bar fight?

In CA you can legally buy a bottle of whiskey at 5AM on a Sunday morning. In a grocery store!
Yet MJ remains a Class I drug according to the DEA.
It makes NO farking sense to me!?!

Marijuana is not physically addicting, and has never caused any deaths that I'm aware of. The opposite is true from my experience. When is the last time you heard of some guy getting really stoned and then beating his wife/girlfriend? Or getting into a bar fight?




Well, someone may die laughing under the influence.  ;)



Cat

I have to pipe in on this one.  ::)

When you compare the social ills of marijuana use to those of alcohol it is very apparent which is worse. Alcohol is not only physically addicting, it has been the downfall of many great lives and minds. It has almost killed me on a few occasions. How many of you have gone through hard-core alcohol withdrawal? I have- And let me tell you: It isn't pretty! Delirium Tremens is very real!

Marijuana is not physically addicting, and has never caused any deaths that I'm aware of. The opposite is true from my experience. When is the last time you heard of some guy getting really stoned and then beating his wife/girlfriend? Or getting into a bar fight?

In CA you can legally buy a bottle of whiskey at 5AM on a Sunday morning. In a grocery store!
Yet MJ remains a Class I drug according to the DEA.
It makes NO farking sense to me!?!


It may not be addicting as in the way nicotine is addicting but I know a lot of people who can't live without there weed.  They always gotta have it, if they don't they're depressed and or pissed or something.  So something about it must make them HAVE to have it. 

I think when you get stoned it makes you too out of it to really put up much of a fight, it makes you feel good.  I mean I've never gotten stoned but the pals I hanged with back in the day that did that stuff, I doubt they'd whip to many people doped up.

....and at ~50$ a 1/4 oz, it's pretty damned expensive too.

DAMN!!!  Sounds like your dealers are cashing in.....it's only about $20/ounce here.

Personally, I've tried it and it does nothing for me so I don't do it anymore.  I have (had) friends who do (have done) it and it doesn't bother me in the least.....then there are some that I'd rather see them do that than drink because they have (had) a tendency to get violent when they drink, but not when they were stoned.  I say to each his own.....

  Don't forget the health benefits, Max.  Hempseed has an excellent omega-3 content, according to advocates... :P
It also makes awesome hand lotion....
http://www.globalhempstore.com/body-care/hempz-moisturizer-18.html

It also makes awesome hand lotion....
http://www.globalhempstore.com/body-care/hempz-moisturizer-18.html



Really? I was unaware of that.




Cat

Omega-3's? If hemp seed sales ever get legalized, the first guy who patents a hemp seed nutrition bar is gonna make a king's ransom! Everyone will buy your bar 'coz they think it will get 'em high, and they really believe it will...it will!

Marijuana is definitely habituating. It is hard to parse physical addiction from psychological addiction. I have seen pot-heads quit after several years, or decades! Some of them go through physiolgocal withdrawal symptoms. The symptoms are not as acute as those of opiate withdrawal, but they're no joke!

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check you out, you're five digits.

with all that mary jane, it must have felt like it took FOREVER, dude...

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Congrats and applause. I look forward to reading the next 10,000.  :D ;D ;D

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Cat

Just as long as the people doing it are like the Doobie brothers, I always liked them.

Congrats and applause. I look forward to reading the next 10,000.  :D ;D ;D

(BTW, I'm getting close myself.)



Cat

When you do, Chucky will cut you a check for $10 grand! OK, not really. It's sort of like when you hit 100,000 miles on your odometer. There's a moment of "Hey, look at that!" And then everything goes on exactly as before!
;D

Actually, my true number of posts on "inthe00s" is about 12 thousand. My counter got set back to zero when Chucky switched the software a couple of years ago.


Just as long as the people doing it are like the Doobie brothers, I always liked them.

I assume you know doobie is an old slang word for a marijuana cigarette. They were all long-haired hippies in that band, they weren't brothers,  and none of them were named Doobie...but they didn't think of the name when they were passing a joint around down at the studio! They just didn't. One of them said out of the blue, "Hey, how about the Doobie Brothers?"
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Well, however they arrived at the name, it was better than their old one, "Pud."

If we ever called said green, leafy substance "Mary Jane," it's because it was listed as a euphemism on those Joe Friday drug awareness leaflets they passed out (uh, distributed) in the sixth grade!
Marijuana, also known as: pot, joint, reefer, grass, weed, stick, rope, tea, dope, spleef, squiff, spliff, bud, doobie, J, J-bar, jibber, bhang, hemp, herb, leaf, whacky tobacky, Mary Jane, Christopher Cannibus, columbine, smoke, incense, Puff-the-Magic-Dragon, hash, devil weed, white man's burden, garden of hedon, jazz salad, ring-around-the-rosie, Lucy in the Sky With Diamonds, Helter Skelter, Strawberry Fields Forever, Eleanor Rigby, Malcom X John Lennon, J. Edgar Hoover, Jim-Jimmie-and-Janis, Seasons in the Sun, Down-with-the-Establishment-man, our little secret, Nixon's Lovechild, whatever the hell else you wanna throw in there

I think when you get stoned it makes you too out of it to really put up much of a fight, it makes you feel good.  I mean I've never gotten stoned...

What?

What?



He said he's never gotten...uh, what did he say again, man? Oh, "stoned."
What?
Stoned.
Got any for me and my old lady?
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When you do, Chucky will cut you a check for $10 grand! OK, not really. It's sort of like when you hit 100,000 miles on your odometer. There's a moment of "Hey, look at that!" And then everything goes on exactly as before!
;D

Actually, my true number of posts on "inthe00s" is about 12 thousand. My counter got set back to zero when Chucky switched the software a couple of years ago.
I assume you know doobie is an old slang word for a marijuana cigarette. They were all long-haired hippies in that band, they weren't brothers,  and none of them were named Doobie...but they didn't think of the name when they were passing a joint around down at the studio! They just didn't. One of them said out of the blue, "Hey, how about the Doobie Brothers?"
http://www.inthe00s.com/smile/01/bandit.gif
Well, however they arrived at the name, it was better than their old one, "Pud."

If we ever called said green, leafy substance "Mary Jane," it's because it was listed as a euphemism on those Joe Friday drug awareness leaflets they passed out (uh, distributed) in the sixth grade!
Marijuana, also known as: pot, joint, reefer, grass, weed, stick, rope, tea, dope, spleef, squiff, spliff, bud, doobie, J, J-bar, jibber, bhang, hemp, herb, leaf, whacky tobacky, Mary Jane, Christopher Cannibus, columbine, smoke, incense, Puff-the-Magic-Dragon, hash, devil weed, white man's burden, garden of hedon, jazz salad, ring-around-the-rosie, Lucy in the Sky With Diamonds, Helter Skelter, Strawberry Fields Forever, Eleanor Rigby, Malcom X John Lennon, J. Edgar Hoover, Jim-Jimmie-and-Janis, Seasons in the Sun, Down-with-the-Establishment-man, our little secret, Nixon's Lovechild, whatever the hell else you wanna throw in there


Dude thanks for the little history story on the Doobie brothers, I sorta knew that like the back of my hand, but never the less I love listening to stories. 

You know that it's rumored that Kris Kristopherson's "Bobby McGee" is really a joint as well, but I never confirmed that.  Then again, other than Kristopherson who would know for sure?

Really? I was unaware of that.




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Yep.....there's actually a whole line of skin/hair care products called "Hempz".  It's AWESOME!!!!

Dude thanks for the little history story on the Doobie brothers, I sorta knew that like the back of my hand, but never the less I love listening to stories. 

You know that it's rumored that Kris Kristopherson's "Bobby McGee" is really a joint as well, but I never confirmed that.  Then again, other than Kristopherson who would know for sure?

That's why I threw in all those made-up slang words for marijuana with the ones I've actually heard. Nobody called it Mary Jane as a far as I know. I think there was a hipster in the office of drug control who put one over on the Joe Friday-types that worked there. In the late '60s/early '70s people were looking for clandestine drug references in every lyric. Seek and ye shall find!
Maybe Julian Lennon really did draw a picture of his schoolmate "Lucy" in the sky with diamonds. However, those lyrics are definitely descriptive of acid experience. John Lennon was dropping a lot of acid in 1967. Whether the acronym LSD was intentional is still questionable.
When Wagner and Ingber wrote the song "Don't Bogart that Joint,"(performed by Little Feat, Grateful Dead, etc), they were having a joke inserting a slang word into the pop culture as though it was actually something Greenwich Village Beatniks used to say. The "Bogart" theory says it referred to actor Humphrey Bogart who always kept a cigarette dangling from his lips. Thus, to "Bogart" a joint would be to keep it all to yourself.
Chorus
Don't bogart that joint my friend
Pass it over to me
Don't bogart that joint my friend
Pass it over to me

Roll another one
Just like the other one
You've been holding on to it
And I sure will like a hit



Roll another one
Just like the other one
That one's burned to the end
Come on and be a real friend


The theory was not confirmed by the songwriters. Of course, "bogart" for "not sharing a joint" never caught on. If anybody used the term, it was a jest referring to the song itself.

One of the best examples of pop culture influence was Frank Zappa's "Valley Girl." Moon Zappa, fourteen at the time, hipped her father to some of the slang words some of the teens were using around the Los Angeles San Fernando Valley. Frank thought they were so funny, he wrote a song about these "Valley Girls," and Moon provided the recitation of the phraseology. Of note, it was just another one of Zappa's songs. It was withering parody, like a lot of Zappa's songs. He did not intend listeners to see the "Valley Girl" as anything you'd want to imitate. They were vapid, oversexed, materialistic, catty, and dumb. I guess they had a hunch the song could go places, so the record company released it as a single. You know the rest. All the slang in the song* was sought after and imitated by teenage girls nationwide. You even had things like "The Official Valley Girl Handbook." Even deeper was the extent to which the "Valley" accent and speech cadence became a universal in adolescent speech. Kids spoke that way absent conscious influence of the "Valley Girl" song. Sean Penn's Jeff Spiccoli chacarter in Fast Times at Ridgemont High and the later film Valley Girl  contributed similarly.

*If you have "Valley Girl" on one of the "hits of the '80s" compilations, it's the radio edit, which leaves out much of Moon's Val rap. It is worth seeking out the full length version on Zappa's "Ship Arriving too Late to Save a Drowning Witch" album. I know the version on the Zappa collection "Specially Banded For Radio" is full length. The 12" single itself is a collectors item and will cost you more than either CD. For all its pop culture impact, "Valley Girl" only reached #32 on the Billboard Hot 100. On the other hand, a Zappa song making the Hot 100 at all was totally unexpected!