I know it's not really a political/religious topic, probably more a social one...but we all no that more people are coming out as 'gay', and 'bi-sexual', but do you feel there's a certain fashionability about being bi-sexual in today's society? In most cases, the stigma of being bi-sexual is nowhere near that of a 100% homosexual person. Girls especially often flippantly  claim to be bisexual (many stars have claimed to be bi-sexual)...though I suspect alot of this is to titilate male fantasies. What do you think?

I have known a few trisexuals. They will try anything.  ;D ;D ;D




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I have known a few trisexuals. They will try anything.  ;D ;D ;D




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I call them Uni-sexuals...or Hyper-sexuals...lmao

I have known a few trisexuals. They will try anything.  ;D ;D ;D




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Myself included  ;D. If I like it, I become a re-trisexual!  ;)

Myself included  ;D. If I like it, I become a re-trisexual!  ;)
and retri....and retri.....and retri....

I have known a few trisexuals. They will try anything.  ;D ;D ;D




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I'm a trisexual...I like men, mermen, and male Great Plains Antelope.

and retri....and retri.....and retri....


You know me. Practice makes perfect.  ;)

I know it's not really a political/religious topic, probably more a social one...but we all no that more people are coming out as 'gay', and 'bi-sexual', but do you feel there's a certain fashionability about being bi-sexual in today's society? In most cases, the stigma of being bi-sexual is nowhere near that of a 100% homosexual person. Girls especially often flippantly  claim to be bisexual (many stars have claimed to be bi-sexual)...though I suspect alot of this is to titilate male fantasies. What do you think?


Oh yeah. If a woman comes out as bisexual it makes her even hotter.  It is probably because guys subconsciously fantasize that she'll bring her girlfriend in on a menage a trois, which of course is the ultimate male fantasy.  ;D

Oh yeah. If a woman comes out as bisexual it makes her even hotter.  It is probably because guys subconsciously fantasize that she'll bring her girlfriend in on a menage a trois, which of course is the ultimate male fantasy.  ;D


What if her girlfriend upstages the guy?  ;)

What if her girlfriend upstages the guy?  ;)


Tough poop, then.  :D

It seems like, oh, circa 1985--1995 it was very trendy for young women to declare themselves "bisexual." One of my girlfriends in said she was bisexual.* She asked me if I was OK with that and I said it was fine. I never had a problem with gays, lesbians, or bisexuals until I met her friends...and I have never had a problem since. In the early '90s political correctness was at the height of its martial law on college campuses. If you were not gay or bi, you had to be an "ally," or reckon with PC ouster. I thought, "gee, of course I'm an ally. I have gay friends. I don't like to see them mistreated. I respect their sexuality. They respect mine. We don't have a problem." Ah, but like all PC militants on campus, the GLBT's did not want equality, they wanted deference. They were raging, they wanted to turn the tables on the straights. I didn't get along with her friends because they were obnoxious to me, not because of some sexual identity. If she and I met after college, I think we would have lasted longer.

All I know is her "bi" thing went by the wayside, she married a nice guy, moved to the suburbs, became a librarian and started a family.

I hope sexual preference will become so accepted there won't be a need for homophobia or "heterophobia," if you will. If being "bisexual" was not an act of controversy or rebellion, angry young people would not adopt it for contrarian social statement.

I also did not like the way it was "sexy" for women to be "bi" for the reasons Lyricboy expressed. I don't think the phenomenon of girls making out at parties is even bisexuality. I think it is adjunct to the utter pornographing of young women in the past fifteen years. They do the making out thing to get the attention of the males at the party. Girl/girl action and slut strut sold by the Annie Sprinkles and Camile Paglias of the world is not empowering to women. Neo-feminists such as Sprinkle and Paglia give men waaaay too much credit. The "own your sexuality," "Sluts and Goddesses" stuff has served to make women even less sexually powerful than they were prior to the "sexual revolution" of the '60s and '70s. If you say you're an exotic dancer because you want to be in charge of your sexuality a man will have one of three reactions:
a. You've been conned, you're in the wrong business for being in charge anything (which would be my reaction because of the following other two reactions):
b. Oh you disgusting little tramp!
c. Yeah, shaddap and get to work (unzips his fly).
Not to cast aspersions, but if his reaction is "you go, honey!," he is probably not heterosexual!
I hate to admit it because Andrea Dworkin and company were a total drag (no pun intended), but the man-hating militants in the '80s had a better grip on the reality of the situation. The legitimizing of porn star, stripper, and prostitute as career completes the subjection of women and undermines the equality women fought for in previous decades.

Let bisexuality among women not be confused with the titillation of men. What happens if two guys take their shirts off and start necking at a party? Dunno. Never seen it.

*the answer to that question is no.

It seems like, oh, circa 1985--1995 it was very trendy for young women to declare themselves "bisexual." , etc.....


It's fairly unusual for me to say this but, Max, I completely agree with all of your comments in this post.  Thanks for taking the time and speaking so clearly about it because it's one of those things I would have tried three times to write (over three hours) and still not quite said it clearly enough.

Had someone in my life once who told me that if I was really comfortable with my own sexuality, I'd be comfortable with all types of porn.  The message:  porn = sexual freedom.  NOT.

But on the topic at hand....yes, I think the whole bi- thing has become a status symbol, at least among the young.  (I speak from what I've seen and heard working in a high school and attending poetry/artist events w/ the younger generations recently).

I'm a heterosexual male, I like women.  I understand that

There are homosexual males, they like men. I understand that.

There are homosexual females, they like women. I understand that.

There are bisexual males, they like men and women.  To each his own I guess.
There are bisexual females, they like men and women. To each her own I guess.

Heterosexuals, homosexuals, bisexuals...everyone seems to say a lot about these guys.  Whatever happened to Asexuals?  Do they even exist anymore?

It's fairly unusual for me to say this but, Max, I completely agree with all of your comments in this post.  Thanks for taking the time and speaking so clearly about it because it's one of those things I would have tried three times to write (over three hours) and still not quite said it clearly enough.

Had someone in my life once who told me that if I was really comfortable with my own sexuality, I'd be comfortable with all types of porn.  The message:  porn = sexual freedom.  NOT.

But on the topic at hand....yes, I think the whole bi- thing has become a status symbol, at least among the young.  (I speak from what I've seen and heard working in a high school and attending poetry/artist events w/ the younger generations recently).


In what way is bisexuality a 'status symbol?' I'd be curious to know...

Yeah, I agree with MaxWell as well. In most cases if a girl says she is 'bi' it's often purely to titilate males (well as I said earlier) and/or attract attention. Most bi-sexual girls (I stress MOST) are not the hot 'goddesses' you see in porn films.etc. They are often pretty ordinary people. And it goes without saying why bi-sexual males don't turn on females in quite the same way as bi-sexual females do.

I'm a heterosexual male, I like women.  I understand that

There are homosexual males, they like men. I understand that.

There are homosexual females, they like women. I understand that.

There are bisexual males, they like men and women.  To each his own I guess.
There are bisexual females, they like men and women. To each her own I guess.

Heterosexuals, homosexuals, bisexuals...everyone seems to say a lot about these guys.  Whatever happened to Asexuals?  Do they even exist anymore?


Since they don't care for or like sex, their existence doesn't matter I guess in many conversations.

I'm a heterosexual male, I like women.  I understand that

There are homosexual males, they like men. I understand that.

There are homosexual females, they like women. I understand that.

There are bisexual males, they like men and women.  To each his own I guess.
There are bisexual females, they like men and women. To each her own I guess.

Heterosexuals, homosexuals, bisexuals...everyone seems to say a lot about these guys.  Whatever happened to Asexuals?  Do they even exist anymore?


Asexuals do exist; they just don't generate any press or draw attention to themselves; and other people don't find them offensive enough to draw attention to them from that aspect.

In what way is bisexuality a 'status symbol?' I'd be curious to know...



Just meant that in some circles, it's "cool" to say you're bi.

 Whatever happened to Asexuals?  Do they even exist anymore?

Yes. There are just very few of them. I think this has always been the case. Perhaps 0.5% of the population is truly "asexual," a differentiated from people will not or cannot get involved in sex or intimate relationships.

Repressed homosexuality among either sex is probably much less common nowadays than in generations past. However, there are some gay people who cannot come to terms with their sexuality so they bury it. It's still there, just repressed. There are some people who are so terrified of sexuality owing to abuse they suffered early in life that they must avoid sex altogether so they don't flip out. Occasionally this occurs after a person suffers sexual assault in adulthood, but usually it's because the psychological injuries of child abuse never healed. Then there are people who would be quite eager to have sex but nobody wants to have sex with them for whatever reason. Then there's the "Heaven's Gate" cult phenomenon. Just because you snipped 'em doesn't make you asexual from the start!

True asexuality is different. The primal sex drive most of us are born with is congenitally absent in asexual individuals. There are a few people I've known whom I suspect were asexual. You might know the type. Never been married, no one's ever seen them with a girlfriend or a boyfriend. They never talk about sex, you never see them "check out" anybody. They give off no sexual vibes or signals, explicit or implicit.  The few people I have personally known like this have a kind of peace of mind I've always envied. Sometimes I think it would be a whole lot easier!
::)

The only famous person who I think could be asexual is Ralph Nader. I was at a reception after one of his speeches and he seemed to be as I described above. I even got to shake his hand. He seemed at first like one of those awkward tall guys that don't quite know what to do with themselves, but closer observation revealed not awkwardness, just a different comportment from what we're used to.

I'm a heterosexual male, I like women.  I understand that

There are homosexual males, they like men. I understand that.

There are homosexual females, they like women. I understand that.

There are bisexual males, they like men and women.  To each his own I guess.
There are bisexual females, they like men and women. To each her own I guess.

Heterosexuals, homosexuals, bisexuals...everyone seems to say a lot about these guys.  Whatever happened to Asexuals?  Do they even exist anymore?


A couple of weeks ago I was watching some show about an asexual group started by some woman, who met a man at the asexual group, they ended up falling in love and having sex and had to quit the group  ;D

Since they don't care for or like sex, their existence doesn't matter I guess in many conversations.


Especially those started by song writers of Marvin Gay songs.

Asexuals do exist; they just don't generate any press or draw attention to themselves; and other people don't find them offensive enough to draw attention to them from that aspect.


Oh I'm sure someone somewhere hates them. Probably going on and on right now about "lonliness" aspect or the "reproduction" aspect or the "love" aspect of it all and how's it's so death definely wrong not to want these things.

and I better believe that there is someone else somewhere going on and on and on about how asexuals are the best kinda people.  I will tell you I admire asexuals.  I see hot women all the time and one of the first thoughts in my mind is how I'd like to be her boyfriend, the thought of fighting that urge or making it go away, I don't think I could do it.

Yes. There are just very few of them. I think this has always been the case. Perhaps 0.5% of the population is truly "asexual," a differentiated from people will not or cannot get involved in sex or intimate relationships.

Repressed homosexuality among either sex is probably much less common nowadays than in generations past. However, there are some gay people who cannot come to terms with their sexuality so they bury it. It's still there, just repressed. There are some people who are so terrified of sexuality owing to abuse they suffered early in life that they must avoid sex altogether so they don't flip out. Occasionally this occurs after a person suffers sexual assault in adulthood, but usually it's because the psychological injuries of child abuse never healed. Then there are people who would be quite eager to have sex but nobody wants to have sex with them for whatever reason. Then there's the "Heaven's Gate" cult phenomenon. Just because you snipped 'em doesn't make you asexual from the start!

True asexuality is different. The primal sex drive most of us are born with is congenitally absent in asexual individuals. There are a few people I've known whom I suspect were asexual. You might know the type. Never been married, no one's ever seen them with a girlfriend or a boyfriend. They never talk about sex, you never see them "check out" anybody. They give off no sexual vibes or signals, explicit or implicit.  The few people I have personally known like this have a kind of peace of mind I've always envied. Sometimes I think it would be a whole lot easier!
::)

The only famous person who I think could be asexual is Ralph Nader. I was at a reception after one of his speeches and he seemed to be as I described above. I even got to shake his hand. He seemed at first like one of those awkward tall guys that don't quite know what to do with themselves, but closer observation revealed not awkwardness, just a different comportment from what we're used to.


Quite an observator.  Nice to see open eyes take a look at things. 

you know the way you described a "True Asexual" is sorta desribing me.  I've never been married, never had many girlfriends,  but like I tell my friends.  Me not liking girls would make me gay or asexual.  Girls not liking me, just makes me unlucky with women. 

A couple of weeks ago I was watching some show about an asexual group started by some woman, who met a man at the asexual group, they ended up falling in love and having sex and had to quit the group   ;D


I saw that too.  It was an interesting show.  Some of the group had a hard time with the fact that two of their own began experimenting with sex.  It's interesting how we relate and how sexuality becomes such an issue.  I met a woman recently who identified herself as bi-sexual, or...she had another term (I can't think of it right now) that she thought was more inclusive somehow.  Anyway, she said it's hard to be someone who feels open to having sex with people of any gender i.d.  She said the straight people find it too weird or the lesbians are afraid some man will challenge the relationship, the men think some woman will get in the way....  It's a tricky life.

Just as Max said ~0.5% of the population is truly asexual, I think very few people are truly bisexual. Bi-curious, on the other hand, is a different matter.

I'm a heterosexual male, I like women.  I understand that

There are homosexual males, they like men. I understand that.

There are homosexual females, they like women. I understand that.

There are bisexual males, they like men and women.  To each his own I guess.
There are bisexual females, they like men and women. To each her own I guess.

Heterosexuals, homosexuals, bisexuals...everyone seems to say a lot about these guys.  Whatever happened to Asexuals?  Do they even exist anymore?

I like the views here in this post. Quick and get to the point. But I definatly agree that young girls say that they're bisexual to add popularity status or to attract guys. Most of the young girls in high school who say they're bi, probably aren't, I think it's a fad.

A couple of my guy friends are bisexual and came out with that to my friends and I a few months ago. At first I was surprised and didn't know what to think, but eventually I realised that they're the same people I met in the fourth grade and there sexual preference doesn't change that. Well, they're more mature than they were in the grade 4.

I think for some people, it's a fad.  Something they do when they have too much to drink or because they were dared.  Have you seen the Real World?  Yeah, that kind of crap.  I think that it's legitimately possible to be attracted to and be in love with members of both sexes.  People who say otherwise don't understand the nature of love. 

I like the views here in this post. Quick and get to the point. But I definatly agree that young girls say that they're bisexual to add popularity status or to attract guys. Most of the young girls in high school who say they're bi, probably aren't, I think it's a fad.

A couple of my guy friends are bisexual and came out with that to my friends and I a few months ago. At first I was surprised and didn't know what to think, but eventually I realised that they're the same people I met in the fourth grade and there sexual preference doesn't change that. Well, they're more mature than they were in the grade 4.




When I was in high school it wasn't cool to be "bisexual".  I see all these young men nowaday's 7 to 11 years younger than me that get so turned on by lesbians.  I don't really get it myself.  I'm not turned on by lesbians but neither were most people who graduated in 1995, at least in my part of Oklahoma. 

I don't hold much against people who are different than me.  I mean I don't agree with everything I hear and see but I hear you on the they're the same people they were back when we were little.

When I was in high school it wasn't cool to be "bisexual".  I see all these young men nowaday's 7 to 11 years younger than me that get so turned on by lesbians.  I don't really get it myself.  I'm not turned on by lesbians but neither were most people who graduated in 1995, at least in my part of Oklahoma. 

I don't hold much against people who are different than me.  I mean I don't agree with everything I hear and see but I hear you on the they're the same people they were back when we were little.


I think now it's more acceptable to be 'turned-on' by lesbians than in the past. Just look at internet porn - I'd say at least 50% of it involves lesbians or 'girl on girl' action in some way.

I think now it's more acceptable to be 'turned-on' by lesbians than in the past. Just look at internet porn - I'd say at least 50% of it involves lesbians or 'girl on girl' action in some way.


You sure know your porn stats. This from personal experience and observation?  I'm just giving you a bag of crap,  I know what you're saying.  Anyway I'd rather not look at porn these days,  the real thing does more for me.

Hmm...I'm an ex-bisexual...

I was bisexual from the time I was 12 to the time I was 14. I came out of the closet as liking guys after realizing the reason that I was totally emotionally incapacitated when my best friend was out of school while adjusting to his new manic-depression medication, and made a big deal out of it as part of my efforts to come out of my shell and draw attention to myself. Of course, people suspected I was lying about being gay since I relished in the opportunity to get close to girls in terms of friendship, and experimented with how far I could go with it at parties (like sitting in their laps.) Somebody started the rumor I wasn't really gay to sabotage me, probably...and it still goes on in my incestuous, rumor-fueled school. Before I came out, everybody said I was gay, and then when I DID come out, everyone said I wasn't gay. Who gives a crap what people think, I know, but it still bothers you if you're in that situation.

I said I was bisexual to leave an option in, because I was still pretty deeply afraid of being gay, in a way, and was unready to except that "station in life", as I perceived it. It's easier to say that you're bisexual than gay, and hipper; no guy wants to have a gay friend at 14, but having a bisexual friend is sort of cool. Also, I have an issue whereas I'm not sexually attracted at all to women, I can be romantically attracted to them. I've been in love with women since then without a sexual component; I want to marry them, they're my soulmate, and I want to have their babies...part of it is that it's been drummed into me since I was like, 4, that my station in life is to marry a nice Jewish girl (who this one girl I'm in love with is), go to an Ivy League college like my parents, and become a professional or academic of some sort, and have lots of babies. I suppose part of this is that I still am not comfortable with being gay and came out too quickly, as a rash decision, though it's not like preparing for it will make it any better. I was so hurt in my "relationship" with that straight guy that I was totally unable to fathom having a boyfriend, and after going to camp and being sexually rejected I got even LESS interested in having a gay romantic/sexual life.

So, I stopped being bisexual around 2004. I've come to terms with that, while I'm gay, I have to deal with it. Around 75% of "bisexual guys" later become gay, though there is a 25-30% who actually are bisexuals.

You sure know your porn stats. This from personal experience and observation?  I'm just giving you a bag of crap,  I know what you're saying.  Anyway I'd rather not look at porn these days,  the real thing does more for me.


Many couples use pornography to spice up their love life...

That's quite a story, relationships can be complex, I know...

So romantically and platonically speaking, do you think you would still be more attracted to girls than boys? Is your attraction to men more than just sexual?

Many couples use pornography to spice up their love life...


then there are those of us who already have one hell of an imagination.  ;)

That's quite a story, relationships can be complex, I know...

So romantically and platonically speaking, do you think you would still be more attracted to girls than boys? Is your attraction to men more than just sexual?


I'm 80% attracted to males.

Hey I thought I'd bring this up.

Straight girls pretending to be either homosexual or bisexual in order to get a lesbian scholarship towards college?  Wrong or Right or grey?

Hey I thought I'd bring this up.

Straight girls pretending to be either homosexual or bisexual in order to get a lesbian scholarship towards college?  Wrong or Right or grey?


There are lesbian scholarships to college??

Well, to weigh in on this, I think lying is wrong to get a scholarship, whatever the issue.

There are lesbian scholarships to college??


Sounds like something Sen. Tom Coburn (R. OK) would go nuts about. Coburn was the one who said lesbianism was so prevalent in the junior high schools they could send only one girl to the bathroom at a time!
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(If Coburn is indicative of the male population of Oklahoma, then maybe...)

Straight girls pretending to be either homosexual or bisexual in order to get a lesbian scholarship towards college?  Wrong or Right or grey?


Right, as long they're over 18 and I can get hired as a college admissions officer.

Hey I thought I'd bring this up.

Straight girls pretending to be either homosexual or bisexual in order to get a lesbian scholarship towards college?  Wrong or Right or grey?




Stupid. 

Sounds like something Sen. Tom Coburn (R. OK) would go nuts about. Coburn was the one who said lesbianism was so prevalent in the junior high schools they could send only one girl to the bathroom at a time!
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(If Coburn is indicative of the male population of Oklahoma, then maybe...)



HEY!  I'M FROM OKLAHOMA!

Ok you have a point I'm not the best looking guy in the world, so I'm not stealing any girls from other girls.

HEY!   I'M FROM OKLAHOMA!

Ok you have a point I'm not the best looking guy in the world, so I'm not stealing any girls from other girls.

Oh, sorry, I thought the chances of an Oklahoman on this board were slim enough to crack jokes about Oklahomans...guess I really stepped in dogcrap on that one!
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Oh, sorry, I thought the chances of an Oklahoman on this board were slim enough to crack jokes about Oklahomans...guess I really stepped in dogcrap on that one!
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Ah, it wasn't really a joke anyway. You said most of us guys in Oklahoma are so ugly that it turns the girls gay, I can't say I'm not one of them, can't say that at all.

Sounds like something Sen. Tom Coburn (R. OK) would go nuts about. Coburn was the one who said lesbianism was so prevalent in the junior high schools they could send only one girl to the bathroom at a time!
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(If Coburn is indicative of the male population of Oklahoma, then maybe...)


lol, he's probably been secretly looking up naughty things on his home pc in the interest of 'research.' Yeah, he probably wishes that was the case... ::)

lol, he's probably been secretly looking up naughty things on his home pc in the interest of 'research.' Yeah, he probably wishes that was the case... ::)

Methinks the man protesteth too much!
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I always kinda figured that a bisexual person was sort of handy to have around, adaptable to whatever situation may arise.  ;)

I always kinda figured that a bisexual person was sort of handy to have around, adaptable to whatever situation may arise.  ;)


Well they do have more options, but not as many as an all-sexual.  An All-sexual will have sex with whatever,whenever.  lol, I heard that one the other night, I thought it was good.