why dont we just nuke north korea. it's not like anyone would get mad. nobody cares for nk. right now were relying on our missile defense system (which has never worked when tested except when the tests were highly rigged) to save us from their nukes. lets just nuke the bastards befor they nuke us!

why dont we just nuke north korea. it's not like anyone would get mad. nobody cares for nk. right now were relying on our missile defense system (which has never worked when tested except when the tests were highly rigged) to save us from their nukes. lets just nuke the bastards befor they nuke us!


You are a moron.

why dont we just nuke north korea. it's not like anyone would get mad. nobody cares for nk. right now were relying on our missile defense system (which has never worked when tested except when the tests were highly rigged) to save us from their nukes. lets just nuke the bastards befor they nuke us!



You can't be serious.  I mean, you just can't be serious.  There's no way in hell you are serious.

Because about 22 million unique individuals live there... including men, women, and children.... families and friends... But you've probably never met any of these people and you know nothing about them, which is why you can be so crude and so flippant about their lives. I'll give you a little bit of a break because of your youth... But I mean, c'mon. It's obviously unethical to "just nuke" North Korea, say, later this evening or tomorrow morning.

   Easy James, he's only 13 y/o...


Sadly many adults in this country think we should just "nuke em" too.

Because then South Korea would become simply the Island of Korea.

we should just nuke the planet until every living thing is vaporized and the earth looks like the surface of the moon. it's the only way to really guarantee we won't be attacked.

  Easy James, he's only 13 y/o...


Well, I'm 16 and a high school junior...and I was much smarter and more aware when I was 13, though I had my own particular stupidities. I also didn't use crappy IM speak and talk about nuking everyone.

  Then, James, perhaps you should enlighten the lad...

  Calling him a "moron" here is a no-no...

  What do mean by the "crappy IM speak"..?

 



Anyone who advocates the nuclear annihilation of a people who've not attacked us is a moron.  Sorry.  I don't care if you're 13 or 63.  If North Korea nuked one of our cities and killed our people, I might be inclined to agree on retaliation of some kind but at this point, they've done nothing to us.  We're hated enough in the international community as it is, we don't need something like this to occur.

Anyone who advocates the nuclear annihilation of a people who've not attacked us is a moron.


  The insulter can think the insulted a moronic, an idiot, a dolt-- it does not imply they ought to utter it.


Sorry.


  No need to apologize... 


I don't care if you're 13 or 63.  If North Korea nuked one of our cities and killed our people, I might be inclined to agree on retaliation of some kind but at this point, they've done nothing to us.  We're hated enough in the international community as it is, we don't need something like this to occur.


  And the moral of the story is..?  Nuclear war=BAD...

  Are you reading this, This Kid..?

everybody's so kneejerk against nuking innocent people without provocation! i mean it's like you haven't even given it fair consideration. y'all so nukist it's not even funny.

nuclear war could be good for us. might clear our sinuses. you know, toughen us up a bit.

Safety Tips for the Post-Nuclear Existence:

1.  Never use an elevator in a building that has been hit by a nuclear
    bomb; use the stairs.

2.  When you're flying through the air, remember to roll when you hit
    the ground.

3.  If you're on fire, avoid gasoline and other flammable materials.

4.  Don't attempt communication with dead people; it will only lead to
    psychological problems.

5.  Food will be scarce; you will have to scavenge.  Learn to recognize
    foods that will be available after the bomb: mashed potatoes,
    shredded wheat, tossed salad, ground beef, etc.

6.  Put your hand over your mouth when you sneeze; internal organs will
    be scarce in the post-nuclear age.

7.  Try to be neat; fall only in designated piles.

8.  Drive carefully in "Heavy Fallout" areas; people could be
    staggering illegally.

9.  Nutritionally, hundred dollar bills are equal to ones, but more
    sanitary due to limited circulation.

10. Accumulate mannequins now; spare parts will be in short supply on
    D-Day.

^now you're talking! i'm not saying we wouldn't get our hair mussed. but we're talking ten, twenty million dead tops. depending on the breaks.

http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2005/09/07/strangelove_wideweb__430x284.jpg

And the moral of the story is..?  Nuclear war=BAD...

  Are you reading this, This Kid..?




Way to not read what I said.  Do you agree with him?  You think it would be acceptable for us to just destroy the entire country without provocation?

Way to not read what I said.  Do you agree with him?  You think it would be acceptable for us to just destroy the entire country without provocation?
davester was agreeing with you. so, in my own way, was i. way to attack preemptively, morphie... :)

davester was agreeing with you. so, in my own way, was i. way to attack preemptively, morphie... :)



Morphie?  My name is Beth.


And I couldn't tell if he was agreeing with me or not.

Morphie?  My name is Beth.


And I couldn't tell if he was agreeing with me or not.


  Yes, I was...

  It's funny because I get the feeling "This Kid"'s intent was merely to make a statement, not necessarily discuss it.  Viewing another of his posts, seems like he's hell bent on frying North Korea, anyway...

  Maybe that's the subject of another topic...

  Eh...*shrugs*

  "I can no longer sit back and allow Communist infiltration, Communist indoctrination, Communist subversion, and the international  Communist conspiracy to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids..."
                                            http://img.coxnewsweb.com/B/08/89/16/image_1316898.jpg

Just look in your heart -- what you find there is NOBODY ELSE'S BUSINESS -- but please, do have a look.


  What in the world are you talking about, Johnny D..?

  What in the world are you talking about, Johnny D..?
it's like a guru thing, i'm guessing.

i had my heart nuked years ago. it's currently a superfund site.

Just look in your heart -- what you find there is NOBODY ELSE'S BUSINESS -- but please, do have a look.



Blood is in my heart.  What about yours?

Blood is in my heart.  What about yours?


Blood is in my heart, too.  Unconditional love for my enemies is in my spiritual heart, although I usually fail to live up to its full expression, since I am an imperfect human being, full of neuroses, flaws, ego-games, and stupidity.

Blood is in my heart, too.  Unconditional love for my enemies is in my spiritual heart, although I usually fail to live up to its full expression, since I am an imperfect human being, full of neuroses, flaws, ego-games, and stupidity.



I'm not spiritual, so that's where you lost me.

I'm not spiritual, so that's where you lost me.


Fair enough. I meant no offense, Sister ● Morphine -- if I came across as offensive in any way, I sincerely apologize and I ask you for your forgiveness. 

I like talking with people who speak bluntly and honestly the way you do.  I wish there was more blunt honesty in the world, don't you?

Fair enough. I meant no offense, Sister ● Morphine -- if I came across as offensive in any way, I sincerely apologize and I ask you for your forgiveness. 

I like talking with people who speak bluntly and honestly the way you do.  I wish there was more blunt honesty in the world, don't you?




You didn't offend me.  If you had, I would have said something.  ;)


And blunt honesty is much like alcohol or chocolate; good only in moderation.

And blunt honesty is much like alcohol or chocolate; good only in moderation.



You are correct.  A person whose opinion I have come to respect once said, "Speak the truth in a pleasing way."  Not always easy to do -- but for the sake of civility and common courtesy, always worth the effort.

   You know, I was thinking the same thing...

   Sister ● Morphine -*wink-wink-nudge-nudge...*
   


What's it like?  :D

Wasn't the Taepodong-2 determined to be aimed at Hawaii? Or was that media spin?

More importantly to me, was the missile carrying a nuke? I haven't heard anything regarding the payload, or lack of one.

why dont we just nuke north korea. it's not like anyone would get mad. nobody cares for nk. right now were relying on our missile defense system (which has never worked when tested except when the tests were highly rigged) to save us from their nukes. lets just nuke the bastards befor they nuke us!


Are you the bastard offspring of Michael Savage and Ann Coulter or something?

There's a big future awaiting you in the Republican party, son!

   Hey, I thought I removed that post..!

   What's what like, man..?


Oops, sorry, I thought you were referring to the old Monty Python sketch where Eric Idle was nudge-nudging Terry Jones about what it's like to ... well ... feel free to ignore all of this nonsense!  ;D

Well, I've been to one world fair, a picnic, and a rodeo, and that's the stupidest thing I ever heard come over a set of earphones. You sure you got today's codes?
--Major Kong

http://www.library.csi.cuny.edu/dept/history/lavender/graphics/majrkong.jpg

And thanks for the Dr. Strangelove references, made my night!
:)

Oops, sorry, I thought you were referring to the old Monty Python sketch where Eric Idle was nudge-nudging Terry Jones about what it's like to ... well ... feel free to ignore all of this nonsense!   ;D

I know, I know.
A nudge is as good as a wink to a blind bat!
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I know, I know.
A nudge is as good as a wink to a blind bat!
http://www.inthe00s.com/smile/12/evil6.gif


Hey Max, I just want to say thank you for your always-entertaining & thought-provoking posts!  Keep it up!  :)

Oops, sorry, I thought you were referring to the old Monty Python sketch where Eric Idle was nudge-nudging Terry Jones about what it's like to ... well ... feel free to ignore all of this nonsense!   ;D


  Oh sheeit..!  Sorry man...I wasn't paying attention...LOL..!

  http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2006-6/1193336/_463071_nudge.jpg

 

 

 

   Oh sheeit..!  Sorry man...I wasn't paying attention...LOL..!

   http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2006-6/1193336/_463071_nudge.jpg



No problem, Guv'nor!  Know what I mean, know what I mean, say no more, say no more, eh?  ;)  :D  ;D

Hey Max, I just want to say thank you for your always-entertaining & thought-provoking posts!  Keep it up!   :)

Nice to hear, Johnny. I've been getting dumped on quite a bit lately. No just here. Even on "YouTube." I recommended in the comments on Paul Hardcastle's "19" that people see "Winter Soldier," and John Kerry was in it. So this a-hole goes, "Would that be the same John Kerry who lied out of his @ss about what he personally saw and participated in Vietnam?"
I mean, the creeps are everywhere! Even watching cheesy '80s videos on YouTube!
:P

Nice to hear, Johnny. I've been getting dumped on quite a bit lately. No just here. Even on "YouTube." I recommended in the comments on Paul Hardcastle's "19" that people see "Winter Soldier," and John Kerry was in it. So this a-hole goes, "Would that be the same John Kerry who lied out of his @ss about what he personally saw and participated in Vietnam?"
I mean, the creeps are everywhere! Even watching cheesy '80s videos on YouTube!
:P



Hang in there, Max, don't give up the ship!  ;)

Wasn't the Taepodong-2 determined to be aimed at Hawaii? Or was that media spin?

More importantly to me, was the missile carrying a nuke? I haven't heard anything regarding the payload, or lack of one.



  Just pray Korea's missles don't wipe us out with loads of sumyungai...

  I had considered driving to Kansas and painting a huge bullseye on Fred Phelps' house, but whats the point?  Nothing would've happened... 

 

Hang in there, Max, don't give up the ship!   ;)

I quote Patrick Swayze's bouncer/philospher character in Roadhouse:
"It'll get worse before it gets better."
:o
That is, over the next couple of years, more and more of the neocon-Bush-Cheney schemes will come undone. All the fascists, all the Christian righties, all the talk radio fratboy screwballs, all the greedy old men, all the GOP strategists, and all of all who have hitched their wagons to the evil troop of baboons running amok in DC will fight like wolverines on crack to maintain their hegemony--ideological, social, political, and otherwise! My friend, it's gonna be ugly! You can see the premonitions right on this board!

Or as The Beatles put it back in 1968:
Have you see the little piggies
crawling in the dirt?
And for all the little piggies
Life is getting worse
Always having dirt
to play around in!

Have you see the bigger piggies
In their starched white shirts?
You will find the bigger piggies
Stirring up the dirt
Always have clean shirts
to play around in...

In the sties with all their barking
They don't care what goes on around
In their lives there's something lacking
What they need's a damn good whacking!

Everywhere there's lots of piggies
Living piggy lives
You can see them out for dinner
With their piggy wives
Clutching forks and knives
to eat their bacon!

One more time...

OINK OINK OINK!!!
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   Just pray Korea's missles don't wipe us out with loads of sumyungai...



lol.

I suppose it's just me, but the Taepodong sounds like the make of a Korean strap-on.



   I had considered driving to Kansas and painting a huge bullseye on Fred Phelps' house, but whats the point?  Nothing would've happened... 
 


A high altitude detonation over Kansas with a large enough warhead would do way more damage than hitting even the most populated US city.

Safety Tips for the Post-Nuclear Existence:

1.  Never use an elevator in a building that has been hit by a nuclear
    bomb; use the stairs.

2.  When you're flying through the air, remember to roll when you hit
    the ground.

3.  If you're on fire, avoid gasoline and other flammable materials.

4.  Don't attempt communication with dead people; it will only lead to
    psychological problems.

5.  Food will be scarce; you will have to scavenge.  Learn to recognize
    foods that will be available after the bomb: mashed potatoes,
    shredded wheat, tossed salad, ground beef, etc.

6.  Put your hand over your mouth when you sneeze; internal organs will
    be scarce in the post-nuclear age.

7.  Try to be neat; fall only in designated piles.

8.  Drive carefully in "Heavy Fallout" areas; people could be
    staggering illegally.

9.  Nutritionally, hundred dollar bills are equal to ones, but more
    sanitary due to limited circulation.

10. Accumulate mannequins now; spare parts will be in short supply on
    D-Day.



You forgot about the safety tips DURING a nuclear attack:

1. Keep away from windows and doors.

2. Keep clothing loose.

3. Keep away from objects that could become projectiles.

4. Go into the basement or the inner most part of your house.

5. Put your head between your knees and kiss your ass good-bye.



Cat

^ Ever see "The Atomic Cafe"?  It's documentary from the early '80s compiling a lot of the post-war "Duck and Cover" propaganda newsreels.  Relevant phrase, "How I learned to stop worrying and love the bomb." One of my favorite clips is little Jimmy riding his bicycle home in a lead-lined suit! You watch the way they treated the nuclear threat in the '50s and what patent BS it was and realize the government is saying the same kind of crapola about current events today! "The Atomic Cafe" was probably a big inspiration to Michael Moore. The film also plays on the positive adoption of the word "atomic" in the pop culture, hence "The Atomic Cafe." There were still holdovers of this well into the '70s. When I was a kid our town had a pizzaria/sandwich shop called "Atomic Subs"!
;D :-\\

why dont we just nuke north korea.


OK, we've all had our fun ragging on the kid. I'm gonna go out on a limb and take him seriously for a few seconds.

Because the reason is prestty simple, and it's as follows:  NK is widely believed to have something like 10000 artillery pieces within firing range of Seoul.  Without going into detail, it's likely that many of these pieces are dug in deep into the surrounding terrain.  We drop a tac-nuke on the (static) launch sites for the long-range ballistic miissle "Taepodong-2", and the artillery opens up on Seoul, and any (mobile) launch sites for NK's short-(and/or  intermediate?)-range ballistic missiles get activated and start lobbing stuff at South Korea and Japan. 

But let's assume we can magically take out all the missiles, leaving only the artillery.  That's still 10,000 targets.  And that's a problem. 

Airstrikes won't work, because we don't have the capability of bringing enough cruise missiles, strategic bombers, and fighter-bombers, and other assets to drop enough precision-guided munitions on enough of the targets  in the required timeframe to prevent the destruction of Seoul.  Short of dumping the entire stockpile on the DMZ (a waste of good nukes, to say nothing of the fact that it would likely produce more collateral damage through fallout than the NK artillery barrage it's trying to prevent!), there's no presently-known way to eliminate enough of these artillery pieces to prevent Seoul from being seriously hit hard within the first hour (or sooner!) of hostilities.  And I haven't even asked the really interesting question - namely how many of Korea's chip fabs and other bits of the US economy's electronics supply chain  also happens to be within the range of NK artillery.

He's got deterrence that prevents us from making a first strike in the form of holding Seoul hostage, but unlike the old USSR, Kim's not capable of wiping out America.  We won't attempt a first strike on him; and whether he attempts a first strike on Seoul or on the US, Kim is finished.  So for now, both sides sit and wait.

In the only sense that matters - the military sense - Kim Jong-Be-Illin' has achieved the deterrent effect mutual assured destruction even without a nuclear arsenal.  He's nuts, but he's a smart kind of nuts, which is the most dangerous kind of nuts to deal with.

If you're open to speculation, I think you're underestimating our missile defense capabilities - I think what's been publicly released is actually a very good start, and I think our real capability is better than what's been publicly released.  Of course, neither of us has a need to know whether I'm right or not. 

And if we're speculating, I can also think of a few space-based technologies that would alter the balance in our favor.  A few thousand Rods From God, if you will, would be an interesting first-strike weapon for us to use -- but again, we don't have a need to know when/if such a system has been deployed.

Problem here is that the only way any of us (myself included) will ever find out exactly how cool our tech is... is if Kim decides to try something.  I admit on my more misanthropic days... that I wish he'd try something.  Even if the missile gets through (And I live in one of his more likely targets), all I have to do is get 5-10 minutes of network connectivity to find out how cool our retaliatory tech was, even if our defense failed.  He'll probably get more casualties out of the rioting/looting during the week that follows the attack than he will with the actual nuke.

^ Ever see "The Atomic Cafe"?  It's documentary from the early '80s compiling a lot of the post-war "Duck and Cover" propaganda newsreels.  Relevant phrase, "How I learned to stop worrying and love the bomb." One of my favorite clips is little Jimmy riding his bicycle home in a lead-lined suit! You watch the way they treated the nuclear threat in the '50s and what patent BS it was and realize the government is saying the same kind of crapola about current events today! "The Atomic Cafe" was probably a big inspiration to Michael Moore. The film also plays on the positive adoption of the word "atomic" in the pop culture, hence "The Atomic Cafe." There were still holdovers of this well into the '70s. When I was a kid our town had a pizzaria/sandwich shop called "Atomic Subs"!
;D :-\\


My mom spent her childhood in the 1950s and 1960s terrified of a nuclear attack by Russia...they had atomic bomb drills frequently, and oftentimes their teachers would lecture them on the evils of Russia and the dangers of the atomic bomb and how to survive a fallout...once, there was a joke in Life is Hell by Matt Groening about his elementary school years in the '50s and '60s, and mentioning how his grandmother was from Russia during one of these lectures, and his teacher saying: "Your grandmother is evil. Does she celebrate Christmas? They don't celebrate Christmas in Russia."

My mom spent her childhood in the 1950s and 1960s terrified of a nuclear attack by Russia...they had atomic bomb drills frequently, and oftentimes their teachers would lecture them on the evils of Russia and the dangers of the atomic bomb and how to survive a fallout...once, there was a joke in Life is Hell by Matt Groening about his elementary school years in the '50s and '60s, and mentioning how his grandmother was from Russia during one of these lectures, and his teacher saying: "Your grandmother is evil. Does she celebrate Christmas? They don't celebrate Christmas in Russia."

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Uh, yyyeah, I remember that very Matt Groening cartoon! I think it was in the School is Hell book.  Actually, I was a Matt Groening fan even before I heard of the Simpsons. Must have been 1988, I got the book Work is Hell. Laughed so hard I couldn't breathe, couldn't even stand up! He said the key to pronouncing his name was, "rhymes with complaining."
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My eldest sister was plagued by chronic nuclear holocaust nightmares. She was among the last of the baby-boomers, so she got more of the post-war Big Fear than an X-er like me. I did used to wonder as a child what would happen if the Russkies started nuking us. I decided when I was ten the nearest direct target would be Boston, so the best place to be at the top of the John Hancock building so I'd just get vaporized instead of dying an excruciating death of radiation poisoning. Nice thoughts to have when you're ten. Real nice! Of course, back then you could get killed just walking near the John Hancock building because the giant windows kept popping out of the upper stories and shattering on the side walk thirty stories below!
I remember a moment of panic in '83 when the Russkies shot down that civilian jet airliner over Sakhalin and the U.S. Congressman got blown to bits. I thought for an afternoon Reagan and Andropov were gonna start shooting it out!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_Air_Flight_KAL-007
BTW, Reagan wouldn't have had such an easy time with the Evil Empire if Andropov hadn't, uh, dropped off in '84!

^ Ever see "The Atomic Cafe"?  It's documentary from the early '80s compiling a lot of the post-war "Duck and Cover" propaganda newsreels.  Relevant phrase, "How I learned to stop worrying and love the bomb." One of my favorite clips is little Jimmy riding his bicycle home in a lead-lined suit! You watch the way they treated the nuclear threat in the '50s and what patent BS it was and realize the government is saying the same kind of crapola about current events today! "The Atomic Cafe" was probably a big inspiration to Michael Moore. The film also plays on the positive adoption of the word "atomic" in the pop culture, hence "The Atomic Cafe." There were still holdovers of this well into the '70s. When I was a kid our town had a pizzaria/sandwich shop called "Atomic Subs"!
;D :-\\



Never saw it. I did TRY to watch Dr. Strangelove but never could get into it.




Cat

i believe i was asking you all about your opinions on the subject. not your opinions about me. but thanks anyways.

          ps: thankyou foo bar for taking me seriously

Well, I'm 16 and a high school junior...and I was much smarter and more aware when I was 13, though I had my own particular stupidities. I also didn't use crappy IM speak and talk about nuking everyone.


i don't think substituting north korea with NK qualifies as IM talk. however i did mispell the word "before"
  sorry about that.

i believe i was asking you all about your opinions on the subject. not your opinions about me. but thanks anyways.

          ps: thankyou foo bar for taking me seriously


Don't take offence at what anyone says on any message board.  We're all bozos on this bus.

As for taking you seriously - the long and short of it is that there are good reasons and bad reasons for not nuking folks who annoy you.

Bad reasons are "because it'll hurt someone's feelings".  Good reasons are "because it won't accomplish the West's political/economic objectives" - and in the case of North Korea, the Western political/economic objective is the continued economic well-being (particularly in semiconductors) of South Korea.

Your first homework assignment is to grok, in its fullness, (your zeroth assignment is to understand, fully, the word "grok", coined by author Robert Heinlein in 1961's Stranger in a Strange Land :-) the term Realpolitik.  If you haven't heard of the word (or the concept), your world is about to get more interesting.  You can start here. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Realpolitik

In a perfect world, we'd nuke everyone who opposed us, and there'd be eternal peace.  Or we'd  give the North Koreans (and the Islamic dudes, and anyone else who opposes us) everything they ask for, and there'd be eternal peace.  The concept of realpolitik is what derives from the observation that (unfortunately for everyone) it is an imperfect world.

The world would be a better place without Kim Jong-Il in power.  The world would be a suckier place without the semiconductor fabs and motherboard, LCD, and video card assembly lilnes of South Korea being shut.  A world without either of these things (Kim's dead, but Seoul's a smoking crater) is suckier than a world with both these things (Kim's butchering his people, but you can still get a Dell-badged laptop for $399.99 and free shipping).  Therefore, we permit Kim to remain in power until he is removed from power by... other means.

Your second homework assignment is to apply what you learn in the next few hours of googling to the current unpleasantness on the Israeli/Lebanon border.  (Hint:  If you were the PM of Lebanon, would you try to crush these Hezbollah nutjobs yourself, or would you scream bloody murder to the UN while grinning to yourself as Israel bombs your opposition off your political map for you? :^)