I think you two ought to hook up. You'd make such a lovely couple.  ;D

I think you two ought to hook up. You'd make such a lovely couple.  ;D


Nah, I want kids and don't agree with gay adoption.

Well fuuckin duuur, If they're sterile of course they can't produce children, I didn't think i'd need to spell this out for you.
...A gay couple DOES NOT HAVE THE ABILITY TO HAVE A CHILD.. this seems like a glaringly obvious reason for why they shouldn't have one.

What's the difference? Sterile or gay?
I know for a fact that a single parent can adopt. Do you honestly believe that none of them are gay?
If you're not a christian conservative you really should sign up. They could use your opinions to make themselves seem even more ridiculous. Strength in numbers...

One good reason. I believe the reasons I gave were good.

If it's not possible to create your own child, I think that's a pretty fuuckin big sign.


Okay. But adoption is about raising children that are not biologically related to you. That's why it's considered a viable alternative to creating your own child.

I know 3 kids in my sons' school who have either 2 dads or 2 moms and none of them are really picked on.  (Well, the one is but that's because he's a sh!thead, not because of his "parents".)  I think as long as they are in a loving, stable, relationship, why not?  For many lesbians, they are artificially inseminated and the children are their biological children.  In some cases, they take the egg of one, inseminate it, and implant it in the other.  Who's child would it be then?  The "biological" one or the "birth" one ???


See, this is fine. Your capable of rational discourse.
That interests me, I saw kids get beat up for that.
Is it a small school?

I think one of my main points is this.
Facts show that children in single parent familys often have major problems later on in life, this is due to the fact that they only have a male or female role model. Not both. Do you not think this would cause similar problems?


What's the difference? Sterile or gay?
I know for a fact that a single parent can adopt. Do you honestly believe that none of them are gay?
If you're not a christian conservative you really should sign up. They could use your opinions to make themselves seem even more ridiculous. Strength in numbers...


It's conceivable that some of them are Gay, and the same problems arise, the child only has a male or female role model.


Okay. But adoption is about raising children that are not biologically related to you. That's why it's considered a viable alternative to creating your own child.


In most cases those who adopt are capable of creating life though. If they're sterile that's one thing.. if they however are not technically capable of creating life as a couple then how exactly do they have a right to a child?

Any stable, responsible adult who wishes to have a child should have the right to adopt.
What is the problem?

That's the spirit! I'm all for it. I'm for gay marriage and for gay adoption. It is the integrity, stability, and love of the people adopting the child, not the sex of each adoptive parent--let alone what kind of, er, sex they may have.

As for whether or not it's "what God intended," I believe God created Adam and Eve...

and Adam and Steve

and Eve and Eva

And everybody and everybody and everybody!
:)

I think you two ought to hook up. You'd make such a lovely couple.  ;D


I agree. This is gettin' kinda hot! :o

A gay couple DOES NOT HAVE THE ABILITY TO HAVE A CHILD.. this seems like a glaringly obvious reason for why they shouldn't have one.



Bullsh*t.

There's a TON of reasons why people should not be parents.  Biology is not one of them.  Like I said, if you feel that the only people who can be parents are those can biologically produce them, what do you think of infertile or sterile couples?  You must not think they can't be parents either.  They're in the same boat as the homosexuals in that they can't have sex and produce a child.  If homosexuals can't adopt, then neither can the sterile......at least if we go buy your definition of a parent. 

That's the spirit! I'm all for it. I'm for gay marriage and for gay adoption. It is the integrity, stability, and love of the people adopting the child, not the sex of each adoptive parent--let alone what kind of, er, sex they may have.

As for whether or not it's "what God intended," I believe God created Adam and Eve...

and Adam and Steve

and Eve and Eva

And everybody and everybody and everybody!

Now HERE'S something intelligent.  Thank you. 

Actually, studies have shown that children raised in a homosexual household are no different developmentally than children raised in heterosexual households so I'd have to say no.  Most homosexual couples (and homosexual single parents) are aware of the need for an opposite sex role model and go to great strides to insure that their children have one.  A single, heterosexual parent may not do the same.


Another intelligent comment.  Karma points for you both.



And to the poster who thinks I should hook up with La Roche.......I'd rather swallow cyanide. 

This is the same as the gay marriage issue, who are you or I to tell gay couples how to live their lives? Why do you care if they get married or adopt kids? If a stable loving homosexual couple wants to adopt children they should be able to.

This is the same as the gay marriage issue, who are you or I to tell gay couples how to live their lives? Why do you care if they get married or adopt kids? If a stable loving homosexual couple wants to adopt children they should be able to.



Karma points for you, sir. 

Karma points for you, sir. 


I gave you some too you've made good points as well  ;). Are gay couples getting married or adopting kids hurting any of us, no not at all. They can be just as loving as a heterosexual couple. Has the world ended because Massachusetts and Canada have allowed gay marriage?, of course not.

And to the poster who thinks I should hook up with La Roche.......I'd rather swallow cyanide. 


But you're like opposites.. that's why it's so hawt.

But you're like opposites.. that's why it's so hawt.



It's not "hawt".  I could never be with someone that hateful and narrow-minded.

It's not "hawt".  I could never be with someone that hateful and narrow-minded.



I don't know.. I smell a connection!!1 ;)

In most cases those who adopt are capable of creating life though. If they're sterile that's one thing.. if they however are not technically capable of creating life as a couple then how exactly do they have a right to a child?


By adopting one.

I hope that the legal rights to adopt a child in a Western democratic society would be decided pragmatically on a case-by-case basis, addressing important questions such as whether the prospective parents are mentally fit or financially capable of raising a child. Any vague assumptions about a "natural" or pseudo-mystical connection between the ability to conceive a child and the right to raise one should be left completely outside the laws regulating adoption; these are theoretical concerns that do not directly address the needs of the child or the measurable capabilities of the prospective parents. The philosophically inclined, or the merely anti-homosexual, can of course debate such questions to their hearts content on Internet forums; I am too much of a pragmatist myself to be in the least bit interested in such spacey, speculative, and no doubt interminable debates.

I also think that, contrary to what has been asserted here, gays and lesbians are "technically" (to use your word) capable of creating life; it is sterile people -- gay or straight -- who technically cannot have children, at least not without medical assistance. Furthermore, some gays and lesbians do in fact have their own biological children, and -- Heaven forfend! -- later take a same-sex partner with whom they raise the kids themselves.

By adopting one.

I hope that the legal rights to adopt a child in a Western democratic society would be decided pragmatically on a case-by-case basis, addressing important questions such as whether the prospective parents are mentally fit or financially capable of raising a child. Any vague assumptions about a "natural" or pseudo-mystical connection between the ability to conceive a child and the right to raise one should be left completely outside the laws regulating adoption; these are theoretical concerns that do not directly address the needs of the child or the measurable capabilities of the prospective parents. The philosophically inclined, or the merely anti-homosexual, can of course debate such questions to their hearts content on Internet forums; I am too much of a pragmatist myself to be in the least bit interested in such spacey, speculative, and no doubt interminable debates.

I also think that, contrary to what has been asserted here, gays and lesbians are "technically" (to use your word) capable of creating life; it is sterile people -- gay or straight -- who technically cannot have children, at least not without medical assistance. Furthermore, some gays and lesbians do in fact have their own biological children, and -- Heaven forfend! -- later take a same-sex partner with whom they raise the kids themselves.



You get a karma point.  Why?  You're intelligent and you make sense. 

Any stable, responsible adult who wishes to have a child should have the right to adopt.
What is the problem?


What he said.

I gave you some too you've made good points as well  ;). Are gay couples getting married or adopting kids hurting any of us, no not at all. They can be just as loving as a heterosexual couple. Has the world ended because Massachusetts and Canada have allowed gay marriage?, of course not.


I live in Massachusetts and I have to say since the advent of marriage rights my life, and the lives of those in my community, hasn't changed.  It is
going to change for a lot of children who are looking to be adopted, though.  The Catholic Charities has decided to stop handling adoptions because
of the state law that says gay couples who want to adopt cannot be discriminated against. Rather than consider applications from gay couples, the Catholic Charities, one of the largest adoption agencies has decided to not place any children at all. The same people who still to this day harbor pedophile priests, giving them pensions, and recommendations, the absolute hypocrisy!

I think you two ought to hook up. You'd make such a lovely couple.  ;D


;D ;D ;D  You just made my evening :D

I think it's important for a child to be in a stable, loving home.  I don't care if it's a straight couple or gay couple, single parent or a married couple. 

It interests me that almost all of you are so 100% pro Gay Adoption.

I'm yet to meet many people who are for it (Must be one of those fat midwesterner things  ;)).

Once again, I will state my reasons clearly as to why I don't believe a Gay couple should be able to adopt a child.
Some of you have made excellent points and I'm not about to refute them all because I can see sense in some of them.

Firstly - If a couple is biologically incapable of having a child, would not both Religious thought and Evolutionist thought suggest that this is for a reason? After all, both sides of the camp can agree on survival of the fittest, if a Gay couple can't pass along their genetic material is that not a klaxon going off?

Secondly - You all seem to think that we live in a perfect world where there is no stigma attatched to this. Those of you who have gone to school's where kid's had gay parents have admitted they are small schools. In a small school I dare say there is a far closer kindship as most of the kids there know each other at least moderatly well.
I'm sure you probably think that back in school I'd be one of those beating up the kid with two dad's. Not so, it's nothing to do with them, even at that age I would be able to understand that. After all, my father was bald by the time I was about 3, did I have any bearing on that, of course not, It wouldn't bother me. That being said though.. I won't say the majority of kids are awful but I'm sure 99% of you have witnessed some poor little kid in tears because he was picked on. Having anything different about you is fuel for this. As a kid, all the way up until finishing High School, everyone called each other a 'Gay' 'Gaylord' '******' 'Queer' these are all generally regarded as insults in school, what happens if all of a sudden "HEY EVERYONE, TIMMY'S DAD'S A QUEER!".

I'm not saying this would happen in 100% of cases, I'm saying this is certainly something that would need to be looked in to before any sort of Large scale Gay adoption was to take place.

As I have stated before. If it worked, I wouldn't mind it. If it worked. This is because it would relieve the government sponsored adoption agency's and allow millions of dollars of Tax money to go elsewhere and obviously because, if it worked, it would give these kids a stable home.

I'm just not convinced it will work though.
If guidelines are bought in to place, such as ensuring the child has male and female role models. Ensuring that the child recives as normal a homelife as possible (Yes thanks, I am aware that no homelife is perfectly normal).
Ensuring the child is financially, emotionally and physiologically looked after properly.

If these were done I would have no major issue allowing gay couples to adopt, but, I don't believe this would work properly.

I'm down with it.  Sure, there's abusive gay couples, but there's abusive straight couples too.

It interests me that almost all of you are so 100% pro Gay Adoption.

I'm yet to meet many people who are for it (Must be one of those fat midwesterner things  ;)).

Once again, I will state my reasons clearly as to why I don't believe a Gay couple should be able to adopt a child.
Some of you have made excellent points and I'm not about to refute them all because I can see sense in some of them.

Firstly - If a couple is biologically incapable of having a child, would not both Religious thought and Evolutionist thought suggest that this is for a reason? After all, both sides of the camp can agree on survival of the fittest, if a Gay couple can't pass along their genetic material is that not a klaxon going off?

Secondly - You all seem to think that we live in a perfect world where there is no stigma attatched to this. Those of you who have gone to school's where kid's had gay parents have admitted they are small schools. In a small school I dare say there is a far closer kindship as most of the kids there know each other at least moderatly well.
I'm sure you probably think that back in school I'd be one of those beating up the kid with two dad's. Not so, it's nothing to do with them, even at that age I would be able to understand that. After all, my father was bald by the time I was about 3, did I have any bearing on that, of course not, It wouldn't bother me. That being said though.. I won't say the majority of kids are awful but I'm sure 99% of you have witnessed some poor little kid in tears because he was picked on. Having anything different about you is fuel for this. As a kid, all the way up until finishing High School, everyone called each other a 'Gay' 'Gaylord' '******' 'Queer' these are all generally regarded as insults in school, what happens if all of a sudden "HEY EVERYONE, TIMMY'S DAD'S A QUEER!".

I'm not saying this would happen in 100% of cases, I'm saying this is certainly something that would need to be looked in to before any sort of Large scale Gay adoption was to take place.

As I have stated before. If it worked, I wouldn't mind it. If it worked. This is because it would relieve the government sponsored adoption agency's and allow millions of dollars of Tax money to go elsewhere and obviously because, if it worked, it would give these kids a stable home.

I'm just not convinced it will work though.
If guidelines are bought in to place, such as ensuring the child has male and female role models. Ensuring that the child recives as normal a homelife as possible (Yes thanks, I am aware that no homelife is perfectly normal).
Ensuring the child is financially, emotionally and physiologically looked after properly.

If these were done I would have no major issue allowing gay couples to adopt, but, I don't believe this would work properly.



Once again, none of these are good reasons.  NOT A SINGLE F*CKING ONE.  You're saying that if a couple is biologically unable to have children, it means they should never have children.  You think gays shouldn't be parents because some kids might call that one kid a name and ridicule their home life.  You don't think gays should be parents because they don't have a male or female role model in the child's life, even though several people have stated that most gays who are parents make sure that the child has both a male and a female presence in their life.  You don't think gays should be parents because there aren't guidelines in place for it.

Your opinion is the most dangerous one out there.  Bigotry and homophobia disguised as "common sense".  It's nothing more than paranoid rhetoric that the religious right would have you believe is the way that things ought to be.  Who the f*ck are you to tell two stable, capable and able people they can't be parents?  Oh that's right, no one. 

I'll give you my cousin's phone number; why don't you call her and tell her that she shouldn't be a parent because since she's sterile, that's God's way or evolution's way of saying she can't be one and she shouldn't even bother adopting.  I'm sure she'll love that.  Then, I'll give you the phone number of my friend Justin, a gay man, and you can tell him that because he takes it up the ass and therefore can't impregnante someone, he can't be a parent one day either.  He can't even adopt.  Because God forbid some stupid kid tells his kid that his/her daddy's a queer.  I bet he'd love to know that too.  Then I'll give you the phone number of Shirley.  Now, she's a lesbian and she had been married previously, but a serious accident left her with scar tissue on her uterus and she can't conceive.  There's a double whammy.  A sterile lesbian.  I'm sure she's dying to hear about how she can't be a parent because she's not having sex with someone who has a penis.


Furthermore, what the hell do you think adoption is for?  Heterosexuals who want kids but don't want to have them naturally?  You'd limit adopting to only those who can have children but don't want to have them biologically.  Because so far you've excluded the sterile and infertile and homosexuals.  Anyone else you think shouldn't be a parent?  Maybe those with a low income......or maybe those that don't have college degrees.....where does it stop for you?

It interests me that almost all of you are so 100% pro Gay Adoption.

I'm yet to meet many people who are for it (Must be one of those fat midwesterner things  ;)).

Once again, I will state my reasons clearly as to why I don't believe a Gay couple should be able to adopt a child.
Some of you have made excellent points and I'm not about to refute them all because I can see sense in some of them.

Firstly - If a couple is biologically incapable of having a child, would not both Religious thought and Evolutionist thought suggest that this is for a reason? After all, both sides of the camp can agree on survival of the fittest, if a Gay couple can't pass along their genetic material is that not a klaxon going off?




Following that reasoning, straight couples who have problems concieving should not be allowed to have invitro, and should not be allowed to adopt. As for stigma, I went to  a school the was 99% white.  I actually had more problems with the teachers than the students. With a strong support system you can come out of this a much better person then the people who would stigmatize you.

So, I take it you would be against a single man or woman adopting as well regardless of sexual orientation?

AFA the "stigma" attached, I think it's just a matter of time until there is none.  Back when I was in school, there was a "stigma" attached to kids with divorced parents.  Again, it was a small school, but it was also a very conservative area.  I distinctly remember one of my friends being taunted when it became public knowledge that her dad had left her mom.  At the time, I was one of her only friends because noone wanted to be friends with the "girl with no dad".  Now, it's commonplace for kids to be raised by single or divorced parents.


This is where I become Mr. Homophobic. It's always been my opinion that If your gay, be gay, that's fine. Keep it in your own home though.
There should be a stimga attatched, it isn't normal, it certainly isn't the right way to do things.
Now, I've opened myself up for all sorts of abuse here, which is fine with me, at least I have the balls to say "Hey, this is my opinion, it's different to the Politically correct bullsheesh we have forced down our throats."

I live in Massachusetts and I have to say since the advent of marriage rights my life, and the lives of those in my community, hasn't changed.  It is
going to change for a lot of children who are looking to be adopted, though.  The Catholic Charities has decided to stop handling adoptions because
of the state law that says gay couples who want to adopt cannot be discriminated against. Rather than consider applications from gay couples, the Catholic Charities, one of the largest adoption agencies has decided to not place any children at all. The same people who still to this day harbor pedophile priests, giving them pensions, and recommendations, the absolute hypocrisy!

Edited.

Never a truer word spoken.  It's rife in the Church sadly

I have said this many times before (and will probably say it several times again), in my book, it is doesn't matter WHAT you are but WHO you are. If two men or two woman are capable and want to adopt, I don't have a problem with that. I don't have a problem with single people adopting either-again, if they are capable. I have known a few gays and lesbians who have had kids from previous relationships. One's sexual orientation does not determain whether you will or not be a good parent or not. One has nothing to do with the other.



Cat

This is where I become Mr. Homophobic. It's always been my opinion that If your gay, be gay, that's fine. Keep it in your own home though.
There should be a stimga attatched, it isn't normal, it certainly isn't the right way to do things.
Now, I've opened myself up for all sorts of abuse here, which is fine with me, at least I have the balls to say "Hey, this is my opinion, it's different to the Politically correct bullsheesh we have forced down our throats."



Says you.  People have the right to live their lives any way they want so long as they aren't breaking the law.  Who are you to say what's right?  Stop looking to the Bible for advice.

Hey, no knocking on the midwesterners....I've been one all my life.  Then again, I'm probably not your "typical" midwesterner....at least I'm not "typical" of the areas in which I've lived ;)


I'm a Farwesterner.  ;D

Karma for at least being honest (even though I disagree) ;)

So, what about a single person adopting?  Are you also against that?



Sometimes being honest isn't a good thing.  And didn't you know?  Adoption is only for heterosexual couples who can have children biologically.  Everyone else is not allowed.  No gays, no sterile people, no single people.  Single people can't get pregnant without another person, and if there's another person, why adopt?  Just get knocked up!

Now, I've opened myself up for all sorts of abuse here, which is fine with me, at least I have the balls to say "Hey, this is my opinion, it's different to the Politically correct bullsheesh we have forced down our throats."



Spoken like a true right winger who has run out of credible arguments.  If anyone disagrees with them the best thing to do is play the political victim, call them bleeding heart liberals, and accuse them of shoving political correctness down ones throat.  Whaa, whaa,
whaa...

Spoken like a true right winger who has run out of credible arguments.  If anyone disagrees with them the best thing to do is play the political victim, call them bleeding heart liberals, and accuse them of shoving political correctness down ones throat.  Whaa, whaa,
whaa...



I'm a bleeding heart liberal, or at least that's what he'd have you think.

This is where I become Mr. Homophobic. It's always been my opinion that If your gay, be gay, that's fine. Keep it in your own home though.
There should be a stimga attatched, it isn't normal, it certainly isn't the right way to do things.
Now, I've opened myself up for all sorts of abuse here, which is fine with me, at least I have the balls to say "Hey, this is my opinion, it's different to the Politically correct bullsheesh we have forced down our throats."


Hey there big fella.  How ya doin? ;)

Can I sit down?

It's not "hawt".  I could never be with someone that hateful and narrow-minded.
Just think of the fireworks in the bedroom!  ;D

Just think of the fireworks in the bedroom!  ;D



The joke is old now.

Just think of the fireworks in the bedroom!  ;D


Seriously.  Angry sex=good sex ;) ;D

The joke is old now.
Not for me!  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Not for me!  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D



Yeah well, I said it's old.  It's been discussed, both parties involved in the joke have spoken their piece on it, so now it's over.  There's no need to keep going over it.

Yeah well, I said it's old.  It's been discussed, both parties involved in the joke have spoken their piece on it, so now it's over.  There's no need to keep going over it.


You have no sense of humor.

You have no sense of humor.



Everyone who knows me would say you were full of sh*t.  Just because I don't find you funny doesn't mean I don't find anything funny. 

However, when someone jokes about you having herpes and then when you tell them to stop, they don't......and keep going at it even though you told them that you didn't like it.....you tend to not like a lot of what they have to say.  You tend to not think they're very funny. 

Seriously.  Angry sex=good sex ;) ;D


Hmm and you're the kid who's asking for romancing advice in another thread??  wtf?   :D

Substitute 'anger' with mad passion and lust but never anger...you sound weird.
..oh and stop hijacking discussions


BACK ON TOPIC

Everyone who knows me would say you were full of sh*t.  Just because I don't find you funny doesn't mean I don't find anything funny. 

However, when someone jokes about you having herpes and then when you tell them to stop, they don't......and keep going at it even though you told them that you didn't like it.....you tend to not like a lot of what they have to say.  You tend to not think they're very funny. 



Okay, and what are you referring to?  I don't remember saying you had herpes.

And I based my comment on your lack of humor in this thread and also your comments about George Carlin.



Hmm and you're the kid who's asking for romancing advice in another thread??  wtf?  :D

Substitute 'anger' with mad passion and lust but never anger...you sound weird.
..oh and stop hijacking discussions
BACK ON TOPIC


Oh come now Babooska.  Some people get hot when they have a very heated argument with their lover. Let's not get too uptight here shall we?

Moving on.

Says you.  People have the right to live their lives any way they want so long as they aren't breaking the law.  Who are you to say what's right?  Stop looking to the Bible for advice.


You seem to have a problem reading.

If I've said it once, I've said it a million times, I am no Christian Zealot. My opinions are my own, not some 2000 year old book's.

Karma for at least being honest (even though I disagree) ;)

So, what about a single person adopting?  Are you also against that?


I have some problems with single parents adopting yes. I'm of the opinion that it's VERY important to have both parents.

Yeah well, I said it's old.  It's been discussed, both parties involved in the joke have spoken their piece on it, so now it's over.  There's no need to keep going over it.


Right, but If I say something there is a need  ;D

You need to re-arrange your double standards so they make sense.

You seem to have a problem reading.

If I've said it once, I've said it a million times, I am no Christian Zealot. My opinions are my own, not some 2000 year old book's.


I respect that at least.

Oh, and she has no sense of humor so you can never be sure what to expect!

Spoken like a true right winger who has run out of credible arguments.  If anyone disagrees with them the best thing to do is play the political victim, call them bleeding heart liberals, and accuse them of shoving political correctness down ones throat.  Whaa, whaa,
whaa...


Yes of course, Political Correctness dosen't exist and people are never persecuted for telling the truth  ::)

I respect that at least.

Oh, and she has no sense of humor so you can never be sure what to expect!


Which is all I ask for.

I respect other people's opinions and do my best to debate them in a rational and calm manner. After all, none of us decide actually policy.

Yes, It's sad to say but I'd have to agree with you, less lack of humor and more just complete double standards though.

Oh, and she has no sense of humor so you can never be sure what to expect!



Keep saying what's not true.  Repeating it over and over and over again doesn't make it fact.  I find a lot of things funny, but my sense of humor obviously isn't as evolved as others, so what I find funny you won't think is funny and what you find funny I won't think is funny.  Saying I have no sense of humor is a outright lie.

Which is all I ask for.

I respect other people's opinions and do my best to debate them in a rational and calm manner. After all, none of us decide actually policy.

Yes, It's sad to say but I'd have to agree with you, less lack of humor and more just complete double standards though.



What double standards do you think I have?  Seriously, point them out for me.  I love having homophobes point out MY foibles.

I hate when people use rebelling against political correctness as an excuse to be prejudiced.

Keep saying what's not true.  Repeating it over and over and over again doesn't make it fact.  I find a lot of things funny, but my sense of humor obviously isn't as evolved as others, so what I find funny you won't think is funny and what you find funny I won't think is funny.  Saying I have no sense of humor is a outright lie.


Well it's just my observation.  ;)

Sister Morphine, I call a truce.  I'm sorry for not respecting the fact you don't think I'm funny.

I guess I'll go in the backyard now and eat dirt. ;D

Sister Morphine, I call a truce.  I'm sorry for not respecting the fact you don't think I'm funny.

I guess I'll go in the backyard now and eat dirt. ;D


;D ;D ;D 

I'd best not quote how I feel about the matter of gay adoption as I'm meant to be all for AOP!!

Yes of course, Political Correctness dosen't exist and people are never persecuted for telling the truth  ::)




Well I don't thind the opinions here are about being PC, they are how people truly believe, and I don't think that you are being persecuted, maybe a bit ruffled, but not persecuted. 

Sister Morphine, I call a truce.  I'm sorry for not respecting the fact you don't think I'm funny.



Fine.  A truce it is.  :)

Whether I agree with someone or not, I'd rather they speak their mind honestly than go along with the flock.  La Roche and I agree to disagree on a few things....this happens to be one of them.  And, knowing him like I do, I can say with 100% certainty that he is NOT a "religious zealot" or the "Christian right" as people have termed him....his beliefs are not based in biblical terms, they're based on what he feels is right and wrong.  I can't fault him for that.....at least he's making up his OWN mind and is willing to stand up for himself and what HE believes is right.


Thank ya.

Yes, my opinions may well be very different to other peoples. I don't like to follow the flock, the party line or the preacher in any way.
If somebody happens to disagree with me (which is fairly common) then I'm more than happy to at least hear them out. I'd much rather hear exactly what they think than what they think they ought to say.


Well I don't thind the opinions here are about being PC, they are how people truly believe, and I don't think that you are being persecuted, maybe a bit ruffled, but not persecuted. 


I don't think I personally am. It happens though.


I hate when people use rebelling against political correctness as an excuse to be prejudiced.



It's not an excuse. I didn't even mention it until just a few posts ago. I don't need an excuse for my opinions, they're my opinions because I believe them to be correct, that being said (and I think I said something along these lines before) none of us are policy makers, what we think is what we think, not what the country does.
For an example, I'm sure many of you would be against the use of Nuclear Weapons in the middle east, I am 100% for it. I think that would solve all manner of problems. Is my way of thinking different to the norm, yes, is it just my way of thinking, yes again.


What double standards do you think I have?  Seriously, point them out for me.  I love having homophobes point out MY foibles.


Well, for instance, when something you don't like is said we're all automatically told to drop it but you're perfectly happy to flog the horse after it's dead when anybody else would prefer something to be dropped.

Well, for instance, when something you don't like is said we're all automatically told to drop it but you're perfectly happy to flog the horse after it's dead when anybody else would prefer something to be dropped.



When people take a joke that I'm a part of too far, yes I'll tell them to quit.  You missed the thread where someone kept joking that I had herpes even after I asked them to quit. 

When people take a joke that I'm a part of too far, yes I'll tell them to quit.  You missed the thread where someone kept joking that I had herpes even after I asked them to quit. 


Actually I didn't. It was me and Al that were jokeing about it.. and.. unless all the blows to the head have caught up with me It was directed at Al and his comments were directed at me.
But that's inconsequential.

You stated in a thread Al made about a criminal cutting off his penis and throwing it at a cop that the hospital shouldn't have re-attatched it because somebody that stupid shouldn't have reproductive organs. This seems to go against what you said earlier.. you know, how everyone should be able to have kids.

Actually I didn't. It was me and Al that were jokeing about it.. and.. unless all the blows to the head have caught up with me It was directed at Al and his comments were directed at me.
But that's inconsequential.

You stated in a thread Al made about a criminal cutting off his penis and throwing it at a cop that the hospital shouldn't have re-attatched it because somebody that stupid shouldn't have reproductive organs. This seems to go against what you said earlier.. you know, how everyone should be able to have kids.




Hey, let him reproduce.  Everyone should be able to have kids, but if you cut your d*ck off.......and they can't reattach it, then what?

Hey, let him reproduce.  Everyone should be able to have kids, but if you cut your d*ck off.......and they can't reattach it, then what?


Then of course he would be wanting to adopt wouldn't he. But would he be fit to  ;)

I'm going to say this once more..

If it could be proven to me that a Gay couple could provide a stable home and give the child the right male and female role models etc then I would really have no major problem with them adopting, I don't think this is the case. Of course, I'll agree that there are a large number of heterosexual couples that can't do this either..

People who tell other people they can't get married or can't adopt because they're gay need THEIR asses kicked.  Who the f*ck are you to tell two grown men or women they can't adopt a child?

There are so many children out there that need stable, loving homes and if Alan and Jake or Betty and Rhonda can give them that, why shouldn't they be given the opportunity?  I'm so tired of these Christian Conservatives shoving their value system down other people's throats.  It's not very Christ-like to be so hateful, but don't tell them that.  You might annoy them. 

As for justifying it........until someone gives me clear, concrete, scientific evidence that gays who adopt children are unfit or otherwise not suitable, I will not change my opinion.


my thoughts exactly

That's like saying in the 1950s, why let black kids join white schools, they'd just get picked on or beat on. It has to start somewhere.

The more gay people that adopt the more in time it will become the norm.

yup!

I don't care if I annoy you.  That means I'm doing my job and frankly, I don't care whether you like that or not. 

You don't think gays should be able to adopt because of what kids MIGHT say?  You don't think they should be able to be parents because they lack the necessary equipment to MAKE children?

That's f*cked up.  Sorry.  You don't have to like that, but that's how it is.  You don't know what kids will say or do in any given situation.  Not all kids are neanderthals looking for the disenfranchised kids in the schoolyard to beat up.  Some of them, and I know this might strike you as odd, AREN'T VICIOUS ANIMALS. 

They should be able to have children because if they want them, and they have a stable home and they can provide for the child in a financial and emotional way, WHERE THE HELL IS THE F*CKING PROBLEM?  What, are you one of those homophobes who think that if two homosexuals have a child, they'll turn the kid gay?  Give me a damn break with that crap.


you go girl!!!!