Since we have a thread on the 90s forum about when it began, I figure I would make a thread about where it ended. For me I'm gonna have to say 2003, Early 2004 at a push.

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When I was young and foolish, I used to think the Y2K era extended somewhat until 2006 because of holdovers like Malcolm in the Middle and 6th gen gaming. But after researching it more, I'm pretty firm in the line in the sand ending it at 2003-Early 2004. Like it feels wrong to me calling 2005 stuff like D4L Laffy Taffy, Xbox 360, YouTube, Catscratch, Madagascar, Zack and Cody, Batman Begins, Hurricane Katrina, Web 2.0, and Ben 10 "Y2K era". That stuff is so not Y2K. ;D

Yet stuff from 2003, just two years earlier, like Kangaroo Jack, Return of the King, Freaky Friday remake, Chingy, Matrix Sequels, Bruce Almighty, The Cheetah Girls, Daredevil, Agent Cody Banks, The Core, Brother Bear, tail-end of the Cartoon Cartoons, tail-end of Web 1.0, Spy Kids 3, etc. feels so much more Y2Kish and dated than 2005 stuff, at least to me. Crazy how only two years can make a difference.

As JordanK1982 (our lord and savior) said before, 2003 felt like it was a million years ago by 2005.

For comparison.

In 2003, the stereotypical image of a "kid" in pop culture still looked like this.

https://i.imgur.com/acRT51U.jpg

But by 2005, the image of kids in pop culture (i.e. commercials) was starting to look more like this. I swear a lot of commercials from 2005-2009 had kids looking exactly like this, with this type of overlong black hair and whatnot. ;D

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/pYkJfAfn9Jg/hqdefault.jpg

Y2K era to me is August/September 1998 to around April 2000.

May/June 2000 to June 2001 was Y2K but starting to slowly transition towards the early 2000s.

June 2001 to April 2003 is the early 2000s.

May/June 2003 to April/May 2004 was the early 2000s but starting to slowly transition towards the mid 2000s.

There wasn’t this diving line between mid to late 2003 and early 2004.

Y2K era to me is August/September 1998 to around April 2000.

May/June 2000 to June 2001 was Y2K but starting to slowly transition towards the early 2000s.

June 2001 to April 2003 is the early 2000s.

May/June 2003 to April/May 2004 was the early 2000s but starting to slowly transition towards the mid 2000s.

There wasn’t this diving line between mid to late 2003 and early 2004.


To me, 1998-2003 combined is the Y2K era. I know this board likes to split up the "late 90s", "Y2K era", and "early 2000s" but to me, that's too redundant and splitting hairs. But everyone's entitled to their opinion.

I remember JordanK1982. Yeah, he always defined the Y2K era as 1998-2002, assuming that the late 90's and early 00's eras aren't separated and it's combined together. Now honestly I would pick 2001, however, if you believe that the Y2K era means late 90's and early 00's combined into one, then the latest it could go to is 2002, but no further than that. 2003 was the start of the core 00's, and mid 00's culture started later that year, although at the same time it was the final early 00's year, there was no Y2K vibe left by then whatsoever. 1997 could also be looked at as the first late 90's year that's not Y2K yet, and the final year of the core 90's.

2001, easy. Even as early as February/March 2001 the culture was dying.

I think mid 1997 - early 1999 was the first phase of the Y2K era and mid 1999 - mid 2001 was the second phase. I would say 9/11 was the final blow. 2002 and 2003 are definitely not in the Y2K era but, they do seem a bit different from the mid to late 2000s.

To me, 1998-2003 combined is the Y2K era. I know this board likes to split up the "late 90s", "Y2K era", and "early 2000s" but to me, that's too redundant and splitting hairs. But everyone's entitled to their opinion.


Why leave early 2004 out though. It was nearly identical to late 2003 and still early 2000s.

Oh. Noticed you mentioned it in your initial post.

2001, easy. Even as early as February/March 2001 the culture was dying.

I think mid 1997 - early 1999 was the first phase of the Y2K era and mid 1999 - mid 2001 was the second phase. I would say 9/11 was the final blow. 2002 and 2003 are definitely not in the Y2K era but, they do seem a bit different from the mid to late 2000s.


Mid 1997 was just when the late 90s identity just took shape. 

Late 90s had a few Y2K elements here and there but they weren’t substantial enough or identifiable yet until towards the end of the late 90s imo.

I would see it as August/September 98 to Spring 99 being the first phase.

Summer 1999 being like a midpoint or transition

Fall of 99 to spring 2000 last pure y2k era.

Final period was mid 2000 to mid 2001 being the transition to the early 2000s. Y2K era, but not pure. 

Ended in 2001. Y2K leftovers lingered on years later. Late 2003 was start of mid 2000s.

9/11 Changed the way everything went. If you were old enough to remember the atmosphere from 2000 to mid 2001 you would know how different it was in late 2001.

2001, easy. Even as early as February/March 2001 the culture was dying.

I think mid 1997 - early 1999 was the first phase of the Y2K era and mid 1999 - mid 2001 was the second phase. I would say 9/11 was the final blow. 2002 and 2003 are definitely not in the Y2K era but, they do seem a bit different from the mid to late 2000s.


I have to disagree a bit. 2002 still had tons of y2k elements/sounds and culture. Ashanti, Usher and a few other artists had a super y2k feel/sound. I feel like 1998-2002 was one small era.

These are a couple of music videos/r&b sounds of 2002 that sound super y2kish
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9/11 Changed the way everything went. If you were old enough to remember the atmosphere from 2000 to mid 2001 you would know how different it was in late 2001.


What about for those who lived on the west coast or in the UK were 9/11 had little to no impact nearly as big as on the east coast ? I remember 9/11 itself but I don’t remember it having much affect on pop culture. I do remember Aaliyah dying shortly before it too. Most of her music videos from her last album were released in 2002 and they look super y2kish. Here are some.

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9/11 Changed the way everything went. If you were old enough to remember the atmosphere from 2000 to mid 2001 you would know how different it was in late 2001.
But the changes were already evident by May 2001 with Pop punk from Sum 41, and Teen Pop was on its last legs

This one is hard to answer but I'm gonna have to go with May 2001, even though Y2K culture lasted until August/September. In 2002-2004, you had Y2K movies but they were either filmed in Early 2001 and delayed until 2002/03, or they are just sequels to movies, Men In Black 2 is an example, so is Spy Kids 2.

But the changes were already evident by May 2001 with Pop punk from Sum 41, and Teen Pop was on its last legs

Lol May ‘01? It still had felt the same as December ‘00.

What about for those who lived on the west coast or in the UK were 9/11 had little to no impact nearly as big as on the east coast ? I remember 9/11 itself but I don’t remember it having much affect on pop culture. I do remember Aaliyah dying shortly before it too. Most of her music videos from her last album were released in 2002 and they look super y2kish. Here are some.

3NLUthL6-BU

7sgajU9F2T0


Y2K was just a thing from 1999 but by January 2000 everyone found out that the world wasn’t gonna end. It had nothing to do with Pop Culture. Futurism was a thing that was common in the Late 90s and fizzled out in the second year of the ‘00s.

Lol May ‘01? It still had felt the same as December ‘00.
Not to sound rude or anything but it has been explained many times already, and I dont wanna be over repetitive about it again

Not to sound rude or anything but it has been explained many times already, and I dont wanna be over repetitive about it again

I don’t wanna sound rude but from someone who actually remembers it I should know. Plus weren’t you born years later?

If you're defining the 'Y2K era' as the era that encompasses both the Late 90s & Early 00s, then I would agree with you in that era ending in Early 2004. However, I personally describe 'Y2K' as a mini-era, between the cultural Late 90s and the cultural Early 00s. In that instance, it would be from roughly Autumn 1998 - Summer 2001 (or specifically September 10th, 2001, for dramatic effect).

If you're defining the 'Y2K era' as the era that encompasses both the Late 90s & Early 00s, then I would agree with you in that era ending in Early 2004.

I used to somewhat include 2005 in the Y2K era as well, but having looked more closely at pop culture and commercial breaks from that time, I would exclude 2005 nowadays. No way 2005 is Y2K era. In 2004 commercials, you can still see a little bit of the echo from the Y2K era still hanging around, but by 2005, it's completely gone.

I used to somewhat include 2005 in the Y2K era as well, but having looked more closely at pop culture and commercial breaks from that time, I would exclude 2005 nowadays. No way 2005 is Y2K era. In 2004 commercials, you can still see a little bit of the echo from the Y2K era still hanging around, but by 2005, it's completely gone.

Y2K is the shorthand term for "the year 2000" commonly used to refer to a widespread computer programming shortcut that was expected to cause extensive havoc as the year changed from 1999 to 2000. For those who were Adults back then they celebrated the new Millennium one year early. Futurism was common thing in the late 90s but by 2001 it had worn out its welcome but of course it didn’t disappear over night. 2002 would of been the last year of that Futurism vibe. Just like big hair died in 1992 but you still saw traces of it in ‘93. Same with that Futuristic style from ‘01 to ‘02.

This one is hard to answer but I'm gonna have to go with May 2001, even though Y2K culture lasted until August/September. In 2002-2004, you had Y2K movies but they were either filmed in Early 2001 and delayed until 2002/03, or they are just sequels to movies, Men In Black 2 is an example, so is Spy Kids 2.


EQUILIBRIUM, Resident Evil, Clockstoppers, Crossroads, Get A Clue, Big Fat Liar, Minority Report, Spider Man, etc. were all released in 2002 and those movies are all pretty futuristic and have y2k influences. Many of them were influenced by the Matrix.

EQUILIBRIUM, Resident Evil, Clockstoppers, Crossroads, Get A Clue, Big Fat Liar, Minority Report, Spider Man, etc. were all released in 2002 and those movies are all pretty futuristic and have y2k influences. Many of them were influenced by the Matrix.

It’s like saying the 80s were still around in ‘94

Y2K is the shorthand term for "the year 2000" commonly used to refer to a widespread computer programming shortcut that was expected to cause extensive havoc as the year changed from 1999 to 2000. For those who were Adults back then they celebrated the new Millennium one year early. Futurism was common thing in the late 90s but by 2001 it had worn out its welcome but of course it didn’t disappear over night. 2002 would of been the last year of that Futurism vibe. Just like big hair died in 1992 but you still saw traces of it in ‘93. Same with that Futuristic style from ‘01 to ‘02.


Yeah this makes the most sense to me. That is normally why I say the y2k era died in 2002. A lot of people intertwine kid culture with popular culture. I try to focus more so on popular culture (party scene and popular music) rather than just kid culture like pokemon and powerpuff girls when talking about an era. It encompasses the last two years of the 20th century and the first two years of the 21st century. From what I can remember 2001 was culturally no different than 2002. Politically of course with 9/11 hitting there was a difference. Teen pop started dying off summer of 2001 but that wasn’t the only thing that made up y2k culture.

It’s like me saying the 80s was still around in ‘94.


How when all of those movies were released not even two years after 2000 ? Those movies were released in early to mid 2002. 1989 was 5 years before 1994. 2002 was only a year and a half to two years after the year 2000 and still culturally significant as 2000 was not dated in 2002 the way 1989 may have started becoming dated by 1994.

If you're defining the 'Y2K era' as the era that encompasses both the Late 90s & Early 00s, then I would agree with you in that era ending in Early 2004. However, I personally describe 'Y2K' as a mini-era, between the cultural Late 90s and the cultural Early 00s. In that instance, it would be from roughly Autumn 1998 - Summer 2001 (or specifically September 10th, 2001, for dramatic effect).

Do you agree with my comparison pics of a 2003 kid and a 2005 kid? If you watch a 2003 commercial vs a 2005 commercial, you can see the shift right before your eyes, lol.

Do you agree with my comparison pics of a 2003 kid and a 2005 kid? If you watch a 2003 commercial vs a 2005 commercial, you can see the shift right before your eyes, lol.


I just can’t exclude early 2004

Y2K is the shorthand term for "the year 2000" commonly used to refer to a widespread computer programming shortcut that was expected to cause extensive havoc as the year changed from 1999 to 2000. For those who were Adults back then they celebrated the new Millennium one year early. Futurism was common thing in the late 90s but by 2001 it had worn out its welcome but of course it didn’t disappear over night. 2002 would of been the last year of that Futurism vibe. Just like big hair died in 1992 but you still saw traces of it in ‘93. Same with that Futuristic style from ‘01 to ‘02.


Wasn’t a kid back then. Here’s my take.

Y2K is term to describe that period encompassing the glossy, bubbly, techy, type of neo futurism in pop culture, alongside other things from the era regardless of the relevance to the literal definition of that term, as the aesthetic lasted after Jan 2000.

In the late 90s ( approx late 96- early 98) that aesthetic wasn’t as pronounced, developed or period defining as 1998-2001.

The term “Y2K era” has been used outside of forums in this definition.

Also stuff did change, influence and shape early 2000s pop culture after September 11  but the defining factors and shift and already happened earlier in 2001, around the summer imo/autumn, some feel it was the spring or earlier.

The entirety of mid 2000 to mid 2001, even though it is generally speaking within the same era was moving towards the early 2000s and felt a bit different.

What about for those who lived on the west coast or in the UK were 9/11 had little to no impact nearly as big as on the east coast ? I remember 9/11 itself but I don’t remember it having much affect on pop culture. I do remember Aaliyah dying shortly before it too. Most of her music videos from her last album were released in 2002 and they look super y2kish. Here are some.

3NLUthL6-BU

7sgajU9F2T0

Can we talk about your comment? 9/11 had little to no impact on the west coast? It was an attack on the whole United States. Late 90s babies were to young to remember 9/11 or remember how it affected the entire nation.

Late 90s babies were to young to remember 9/11 or remember how it affected the entire nation.


I agree, maybe the ones who were in New York when 9/11 happened, but I doubt late 90's babies were old enough to remember 9/11, and they definitely wouldn't remember how badly it affected the whole nation. I was only in Kindergarten when 9/11 happened and it was only vague for me, and I definitely didn't feel the emotions or was aware of how bad it was til I got older. You'd have to be in at least 1st/2nd grade or higher to really feel the bad emotions of 9/11 in your heart unless you were straight up from New York at the time. Like ZeldaFan for example was from New York so I can understand him.

Can we talk about your comment? 9/11 had little to no impact on the west coast? It was an attack on the whole United States. Late 90s babies were to young to remember 9/11 or remember how it affected the entire nation.


I didn’t say it didn’t have an impact on the west coast, I said the day itself had little to no impact on the west coast mainly because the attack was on the east coast, on the east coast there was law enforcement on every corner in New York  for months after 9/11. People had to walk in soot, and smell dead bodies burning miles away for months, the emotional impact it had on New york was something my mother couldn’t even comprehend. So no it didn’t impact the west coast the way it did New York. Also I remember 9/11 vividly I’m sure late 90’s babies born in late 1996-1997 can as well considering they were at the age when memories begin to progress and retain more vividly. I was at my mothers job the morning of. It affected the nation over the course of years not over night.

I was in elementary school when the Iraq War started up in 2003, when TSA intergraded into airports in February to October of 2002, When Homeland security became a thing in 2002, When airport security disabled liquids in 2006, I was in High School when the Afghan war ended and Osama Bin Laden was killed and my class rooted in victory for the justice of all the lives taken on 9/11. But please tell me, how did 9/11 impact the UK or the West coast personally if the attacks were on the opposite side of the country ? You were 10 or 11 right ? How did it impact you ? Did you know people who passed away ? Did you know anyone who went to war ? Living on the west coast, it was very unlikely any of these things applied to children and adults who lived on this side of the country. Did it affect your childhood in anyway ? (Researchers did a study on kids ages 4-15 in early 2002 who witnessed the attacks and it had little affect on their mental health).

The mood of pop culture didn’t really change after 9/11. Their were a few songs and performances by artists who payed tribute to the victims. I feel like 90’s kids exaggerate 9/11 because they want to secure their position as a 90’s kid and make it seem like the 2000’s sucked, as if they lived this peaceful magical era that they were totally politically aware of lol when in reality anyone born in the 90’s can’t even remember the events that led up to that tragic day in the first place. 9/11 happened due to a myriad of experiences that took place in the 80’s and early 90’s before you were even born or could understand the significance of politics so to say at ages 10-11 you fully understood the politics surrounding 9/11 is pretty shocking to hear.

I agree, maybe the ones who were in New York when 9/11 happened, but I doubt late 90's babies were old enough to remember 9/11, and they definitely wouldn't remember how badly it affected the whole nation. I was only in Kindergarten when 9/11 happened and it was only vague for me, and I definitely didn't feel the emotions or was aware of how bad it was til I got older. You'd have to be in at least 1st/2nd grade or higher to really feel the bad emotions of 9/11 in your heart unless you were straight up from New York at the time. Like ZeldaFan for example was from New York so I can understand him.


Well it’s kind of subjective to base your memory on the attacks and generalize for an entire cohort. Some people have better memories than others. My mother wasn't emotionally attached to 9/11, it was shocking and sad of course but we were so far away from the event. I remember 9/11 vividly and I’m a year (probably even less than a year) younger than you class of 2015. I also live in California. I remember when Aaliyah died in 2001 and watching that on the news as well my mom actually cried for that one. I knew how to comprehend death but at the same time, I lived on the opposite side of the country from where 9/11 happened. https://imgur.com/a/s7pZK1A  that’s me on August 29th 2001 13 days before 9/11 (in a pre 9/11 world) I was obviously old enough to retain memory by that point in my life. 9/11 was on the news and footage was being played all of late 2001-2002, it was hard to miss. It was a huge tragedy as exodus08 explained. We even talked about our 9/11 memories freshman year of high school and a lot of my class remembered it. I mean we were what 4-5 years old when it happened. It shouldn’t come off as a shock.

I usually think of the Y2K era as being 1998-2001, but I guess aspects of Y2K culture continued into 2002 and 2003 as well. 9/11 definitely shifted things in another direction but it’s not like popular culture reacted to the event overnight or anything.

As an aside, I was 6 when the attacks happened but I live in the UK so the impact wasn’t quite the same, nor are my memories of it very clear (mostly seeing it on TV but not really understanding what happened). I do remember reading about kids my age starting 1st grade in New York though and unsurprisingly they remember it very well.

2001 was actually very changeful for pop culture even before 9/11. We saw the start of the Harry Potter, Lord of the Rings, Shrek and the Fast & Furious film franchises. Shrek was also the film that truly made 3D computer animated films standard over the traditionally animated films at the time. Also, I remember the music going through quite a shift in 2001, as the year progressed, you heard less and less bubblegum pop and significantly more hip hop (and this change mainly happened in the first half of 2001).

In terms of technology though, video games saw a pretty dramatic shift in 2001, I remember the change and my gaming magazines really show it (when I compare my magazine from 2000 with my magazines from 2002). Even though, the PS2 came out in late 2000, there were not very much games out for it and most of the games coming out in late 2000 were still for the PS1 and N64. Late 2001 was a completely different story, the PS1 was history and the PS2 had a pretty huge line up of games that year such as, Gran Turismo 3 A-Spec, Grand Theft Auto III, Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty, Final Fantasy X, Jak & Daxter and so much more. The original Xbox also came out with Halo: Combat Evolved. Overall, video games were heading into a much more mature direction that year (and it has kind of been the same since). Also, High Speed Internet really took off in late 2000/Early 2001, because of this, the Internet was becoming a lot more advanced compared to the mid-late 90s.

Politically, 2001 was already not looking as optimistic after the election controversy in late 2000 but, it wasn't until 9/11 where the big final blow to the 90s optimism happened. 9/11 also had a pretty big affect on society too. Overall, 9/11 just seems like the most appropriate date to end the Y2K era, considering some of the cultural changes around that date too.

Some of the changes in 2001 actually have their roots as early as early/mid 2000 but, it wasn't until very late 2000/Early 2001 when the changes were really noticeable.

To me, 1999 and 2000 are true Y2K years. 1998 still had plenty of 90s trends floating around and 2001 was heading towards the 2000s. I will never include 1997 as part the Y2K era because that is a cultural 90s year, Spice Girls don't even sound Y2K, they are a late 90s group. Other teen pop acts like N-SYNC and BSB have songs in their 1997 catalog that sound more 90s. Usually Y2K sounding songs have digital beats, shuffling percussion, and a certain flow:

Bills, Bills, Bills(1999)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NiF6-0UTqtc

What a Girl Wants (1999)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpspGHeLOPE

These songs don't even sound 90s, closer to the 2000s. The Y2K songs are literally just proto-2000s music. They are not drastically different from early-mid 2000s music. Even some songs from the late 2000s(2007-08) have similar sounds to Y2K:

Sweetest Girl(2007)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXJXLq1lN7U

Hush Hush(2008)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BBsF7VIQyo

To me, 1999 and 2000 are true Y2K years. 1998 still had plenty of 90s trends floating around and 2001 was heading towards the 2000s. I will never include 1997 as part the Y2K era because that is a cultural 90s year, Spice Girls don't even sound Y2K, they are a late 90s group. Other teen pop acts like N-SYNC and BSB have songs in their 1997 catalog that sound more 90s. Usually Y2K sounding songs have digital beats, shuffling percussion, and a certain flow:

Bills, Bills, Bills(1999)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NiF6-0UTqtc

What a Girl Wants (1999)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpspGHeLOPE

These songs don't even sound 90s, closer to the 2000s. The Y2K songs are literally just proto-2000s music. They are not drastically different from early-mid 2000s music. Even some songs from the late 2000s(2007-08) have similar sounds to Y2K:

Sweetest Girl(2007)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXJXLq1lN7U

Hush Hush(2008)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BBsF7VIQyo


Yeah I agree, 1998 was transitional but for the most part had tons of 90’s elements. Especially the early to mid part.

Do you agree with my comparison pics of a 2003 kid and a 2005 kid? If you watch a 2003 commercial vs a 2005 commercial, you can see the shift right before your eyes, lol.


In a way, yeah. I think a better term for the Late 90s and Early 00s cultural era in a wholistic sense, would be the 'Millennium Era'. Y2K specifically in my mind is more so 1998-2001 or so. But yeah, 2003 was the last year as a whole that was part of the 'Millennium era', while 2005 was the first year as a whole that was part of the 'Modern' 2000s.

To me, 1999 and 2000 are true Y2K years. 1998 still had plenty of 90s trends floating around and 2001 was heading towards the 2000s. I will never include 1997 as part the Y2K era because that is a cultural 90s year, Spice Girls don't even sound Y2K, they are a late 90s group. Other teen pop acts like N-SYNC and BSB have songs in their 1997 catalog that sound more 90s. Usually Y2K sounding songs have digital beats, shuffling percussion, and a certain flow:

Bills, Bills, Bills(1999)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NiF6-0UTqtc

What a Girl Wants (1999)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpspGHeLOPE

These songs don't even sound 90s, closer to the 2000s. The Y2K songs are literally just proto-2000s music. They are not drastically different from early-mid 2000s music. Even some songs from the late 2000s(2007-08) have similar sounds to Y2K:

Sweetest Girl(2007)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXJXLq1lN7U

Hush Hush(2008)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BBsF7VIQyo


Yeah, I agree there actually, 1999 and 2000 are pretty much the proto 2000s/the only real Y2K years. Kind of 2000s but not quite there yet.

I usually think of the Y2K era as being 1998-2001, but I guess aspects of Y2K culture continued into 2002 and 2003 as well. 9/11 definitely shifted things in another direction but it’s not like popular culture reacted to the event overnight or anything.

As an aside, I was 6 when the attacks happened but I live in the UK so the impact wasn’t quite the same, nor are my memories of it very clear (mostly seeing it on TV but not really understanding what happened). I do remember reading about kids my age starting 1st grade in New York though and unsurprisingly they remember it very well.

I agree, maybe the ones who were in New York when 9/11 happened, but I doubt late 90's babies were old enough to remember 9/11, and they definitely wouldn't remember how badly it affected the whole nation. I was only in Kindergarten when 9/11 happened and it was only vague for me, and I definitely didn't feel the emotions or was aware of how bad it was til I got older. You'd have to be in at least 1st/2nd grade or higher to really feel the bad emotions of 9/11 in your heart unless you were straight up from New York at the time. Like ZeldaFan for example was from New York so I can understand him.


Yeah I agree, location is pretty important. Being that young and living relatively far away, I would imagine how the event didn't really effect you guys like it did with me (I vividly remember seeing the smoke from the towers for days after the attacks). However, I will say this though; I do think remembering a world before 9/11 (even if not fully understanding the context of the event itself as it was going on) is still equally important. From as dramatic as myself remembering seeing the Twin Towers, to as benign (at least, based on the context of a young child) boarding a plane before the immense TSA regulations took into effect post 9/11 or even spending innocent chidlike days in the summer.

I vividly remember Summer of 2001 like it was yesterday, and it just seems like a completely different world. I don't think my nostalgic connection to that summer would've been any different if I lived across the country (or even a completely different one), if provided that my memories of 9/11 were more vague. However, those two things together add a sort of dramatic effect to that time in my life that I vividly remember. Starting compulsory school, which is a big leap in life in itself, only for the entire world to change a week later. Like Exodus and others have said, you kind of had to have been there to understand what we're talking about, as to why 2001 was the finale of the 'Y2K era'. All of us over the age of 23 at the very least remember a pre 9/11 world, rather vividly, so that counts for something for both my book and the history books down the line. Think of the people whom were the last to remember where and what they were doing and or life before JFK was shot? That's the kind of eery significance 9/11 has with our age group.

Yeah I agree, location is pretty important. Being that young and living relatively far away, I would imagine how the event didn't really effect you guys like it did with me (I vividly remember seeing the smoke from the towers for days after the attacks). However, I will say this though; I do think remembering a world before 9/11 (even if not fully understanding the context of the event itself as it was going on) is still equally important. From as dramatic as myself remembering seeing the Twin Towers, to as benign (at least, based on the context of a young child) boarding a plane before the immense TSA regulations took into effect post 9/11 or even spending innocent chidlike days in the summer.

I vividly remember Summer of 2001 like it was yesterday, and it just seems like a completely different world. I don't think my nostalgic connection to that summer would've been any different if I lived across the country (or even a completely different one), if provided that my memories of 9/11 were more vague. However, those two things together add a sort of dramatic effect to that time in my life that I vividly remember. Starting compulsory school, which is a big leap in life in itself, only for the entire world to change a week later. Like Exodus and others have said, you kind of had to have been there to understand what we're talking about, as to why 2001 was the finale of the 'Y2K era'. All of us over the age of 23 at the very least remember a pre 9/11 world, rather vividly, so that counts for something for both my book and the history books down the line. Think of the people whom were the last to remember where and what they were doing and or life before JFK was shot? That's the kind of eery significance 9/11 has with our age group.


I have to agree, especially since you were so close to the attacks, you would have experienced it first hand. I’m sure people under 23 have vivid memories of a pre 9/11 America tho, 9/11 is more US centric than not. I mean I’m 23 and I remember a pre 9/11 world but those are personal memories (first day of preschool 2000, birthdays, vacations, movie theaters, amusement parks, etc) nothing much of politics and how the world actually worked tho.My first time traveling was in the summer of 2001 and I wasn’t paying attention to airport security or how different it was compared to my trip to El Salvador in 2003. I honestly don’t think anyone under 25 years old really understood the politics of a pre 9/11 world. They may have memories of their life before 9/11 but they would fail to remember the politics of a pre 9/11 world the way most millennials born in the late 80’s to early 90’s would remember.  I think you growing up in that vicinity enhances your ability to remember it, but I’m sure those born a grade or two below you who attended your elementary school would have remembered that day as well considering the proximity.

I have to agree, especially since you were so close to the attacks, you would have experienced it first hand. I’m sure people under 23 have vivid memories of a pre 9/11 America tho, 9/11 is more US centric than not. I mean I’m 23 and I remember a pre 9/11 world but those are personal memories (first day of preschool 2000, birthdays, vacations, movie theaters, amusement parks, etc) nothing much of politics and how the world actually worked tho.My first time traveling was in the summer of 2001 and I wasn’t paying attention to airport security or how different it was compared to my trip to El Salvador in 2003. I honestly don’t think anyone under 25 years old really understood the politics of a pre 9/11 world. They may have memories of their life before 9/11 but they would fail to remember the politics of a pre 9/11 world the way most millennials born in the late 80’s to early 90’s would remember.  I think you growing up in that vicinity enhances your ability to remember it, but I’m sure those born a grade or two below you who attended your elementary school would have remembered that day as well considering the proximity.


Yeah the 9/11 did not mark a new era or change all of pop culture imo. I wayy past a kid at that point lol.

It did have influence and change a number of things for sure in general but it didn’t radically shape pop culture.

Also, not sure why a lot of people are in denial about late 2003-early 2004 having traces of the Y2k era and it being the early 2000s.

Sure it was transitional to some extent but still early 2000s!  8)

Yeah the 9/11 did not mark a new era or change all of pop culture imo. I wayy past a kid at that point lol.

It did have influence and change a number of things for sure in general but it didn’t radically shape pop culture.

Also, not sure why a lot of people are in denial about late 2003-early 2004 having traces of the Y2k era and it being the early 2000s.

Sure it was transitional to some extent but still early 2000s!  8)

In the United States. Not sure about the rest of the world.

In the United States. Not sure about the rest of the world.


I was in the states at the time, having moved from Canada earlier.

I meant it didn’t start the early 2000s or define pop culture

It definitely and obviously had an impact and influence on it but wasn’t the defining marker or starting point of early 2000s.

One thing that sticks out for me as being very consistent is the prevalence of mainstream trance music in the late 90s and early 00s, at least in Europe. From about 1995 to 2005 I’d say trance hits were a very big part of the top 40.

I don’t think trance was ever as big in North America though.

2002.

Wasn’t a kid back then. Here’s my take.

Y2K is term to describe that period encompassing the glossy, bubbly, techy, type of neo futurism in pop culture, alongside other things from the era regardless of the relevance to the literal definition of that term, as the aesthetic lasted after Jan 2000.

In the late 90s ( approx late 96- early 98) that aesthetic wasn’t as pronounced, developed or period defining as 1998-2001.

The term “Y2K era” has been used outside of forums in this definition.

Also stuff did change, influence and shape early 2000s pop culture after September 11  but the defining factors and shift and already happened earlier in 2001, around the summer imo/autumn, some feel it was the spring or earlier.

The entirety of mid 2000 to mid 2001, even though it is generally speaking within the same era was moving towards the early 2000s and felt a bit different.



2001 was actually very changeful for pop culture even before 9/11. We saw the start of the Harry Potter, Lord of the Rings, Shrek and the Fast & Furious film franchises. Shrek was also the film that truly made 3D computer animated films standard over the traditionally animated films at the time. Also, I remember the music going through quite a shift in 2001, as the year progressed, you heard less and less bubblegum pop and significantly more hip hop (and this change mainly happened in the first half of 2001).

In terms of technology though, video games saw a pretty dramatic shift in 2001, I remember the change and my gaming magazines really show it (when I compare my magazine from 2000 with my magazines from 2002). Even though, the PS2 came out in late 2000, there were not very much games out for it and most of the games coming out in late 2000 were still for the PS1 and N64. Late 2001 was a completely different story, the PS1 was history and the PS2 had a pretty huge line up of games that year such as, Gran Turismo 3 A-Spec, Grand Theft Auto III, Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty, Final Fantasy X, Jak & Daxter and so much more. The original Xbox also came out with Halo: Combat Evolved. Overall, video games were heading into a much more mature direction that year (and it has kind of been the same since). Also, High Speed Internet really took off in late 2000/Early 2001, because of this, the Internet was becoming a lot more advanced compared to the mid-late 90s.

Politically, 2001 was already not looking as optimistic after the election controversy in late 2000 but, it wasn't until 9/11 where the big final blow to the 90s optimism happened. 9/11 also had a pretty big affect on society too. Overall, 9/11 just seems like the most appropriate date to end the Y2K era, considering some of the cultural changes around that date too.

Some of the changes in 2001 actually have their roots as early as early/mid 2000 but, it wasn't until very late 2000/Early 2001 when the changes were really noticeable.


I've always thought of the late 2000/early 2001 period to be similar to the late 2016/early 2017 period, especially with the elections. Only the latter period was much less optimistic and been that way for years, and there was no singular event like 9/11. Pop culturally it was a time when teen pop was fading and giving way to more trap.

I've always thought of the late 2000/early 2001 period to be similar to the late 2016/early 2017 period, especially with the elections. Only the latter period was much less optimistic and been that way for years, and there was no singular event like 9/11. Pop culturally it was a time when teen pop was fading and giving way to more trap.


Very true, you could argue that the Y2K era ended with the Election Controversy. That was the time when the PS2 also came out, the economy started slowing down and Hip Hop was becoming more popular. You can actually find roots back to early/mid 2000 with the dot com bubble burst, the Real Slim Shady, Survivor and so on. Overall, it seems like the Y2K era truly only consists of 1999 and 2000 (even the first couple of months of 1999 wasn't fully Y2K yet).

I have to agree, especially since you were so close to the attacks, you would have experienced it first hand. I’m sure people under 23 have vivid memories of a pre 9/11 America tho, 9/11 is more US centric than not. I mean I’m 23 and I remember a pre 9/11 world but those are personal memories (first day of preschool 2000, birthdays, vacations, movie theaters, amusement parks, etc) nothing much of politics and how the world actually worked tho.My first time traveling was in the summer of 2001 and I wasn’t paying attention to airport security or how different it was compared to my trip to El Salvador in 2003. I honestly don’t think anyone under 25 years old really understood the politics of a pre 9/11 world. They may have memories of their life before 9/11 but they would fail to remember the politics of a pre 9/11 world the way most millennials born in the late 80’s to early 90’s would remember.  I think you growing up in that vicinity enhances your ability to remember it, but I’m sure those born a grade or two below you who attended your elementary school would have remembered that day as well considering the proximity.


I agree. If you have any personal memories of prior to the attacks, that should matter just as much as remembering the attacks themselves. Also, assuming age 3 is when memories begin to form for most people, the absolute youngest of people that would have any memories prior to 9/11 would be those whom are turning 22 this year. However, it's more common for those in their mid 20s at the moment now to be of the last to easily have some vivid memories of life before the attacks (I would include a decent chunk of 97' borns in that category as well). Anybody turning 21 this year and or anybody whom is currently under 21 likely doesn't remember anything of 9/11 and especially of anything prior (including personal events).

I didn’t say it didn’t have an impact on the west coast, I said the day itself had little to no impact on the west coast mainly because the attack was on the east coast, on the east coast there was law enforcement on every corner in New York  for months after 9/11. People had to walk in soot, and smell dead bodies burning miles away for months, the emotional impact it had on New york was something my mother couldn’t even comprehend. So no it didn’t impact the west coast the way it did New York. Also I remember 9/11 vividly I’m sure late 90’s babies born in late 1996-1997 can as well considering they were at the age when memories begin to progress and retain more vividly. I was at my mothers job the morning of. It affected the nation over the course of years not over night.

I was in elementary school when the Iraq War started up in 2003, when TSA intergraded into airports in February to October of 2002, When Homeland security became a thing in 2002, When airport security disabled liquids in 2006, I was in High School when the Afghan war ended and Osama Bin Laden was killed and my class rooted in victory for the justice of all the lives taken on 9/11. But please tell me, how did 9/11 impact the UK or the West coast personally if the attacks were on the opposite side of the country ? You were 10 or 11 right ? How did it impact you ? Did you know people who passed away ? Did you know anyone who went to war ? Living on the west coast, it was very unlikely any of these things applied to children and adults who lived on this side of the country. Did it affect your childhood in anyway ? (Researchers did a study on kids ages 4-15 in early 2002 who witnessed the attacks and it had little affect on their mental health).

The mood of pop culture didn’t really change after 9/11. Their were a few songs and performances by artists who payed tribute to the victims. I feel like 90’s kids exaggerate 9/11 because they want to secure their position as a 90’s kid and make it seem like the 2000’s sucked, as if they lived this peaceful magical era that they were totally politically aware of lol when in reality anyone born in the 90’s can’t even remember the events that led up to that tragic day in the first place. 9/11 happened due to a myriad of experiences that took place in the 80’s and early 90’s before you were even born or could understand the significance of politics so to say at ages 10-11 you fully understood the politics surrounding 9/11 is pretty shocking to hear.


I was living on the West Coast on 9/11 and even though it wasn't the epicenter of the attack, it still impacted us the same way as if we were were living one state over in New Jersey or Connecticut. That time everywhere in America was the same, in a good way. We were all united as one, regardless of where we lived, what race, color, ethnic, or religious background, or political party we were. It impacted pop culture in a way that it started to have a more somber tone. One example is the song "No More Drama" by Mary J. Blige, the music video had scenes from 9/11. Also the music video for "The World's Greatest" by R. Kelly had FDNY, NYPD, and military members in the boxing ring (that song was for the "Ali" soundtrack).

Very true, you could argue that the Y2K era ended with the Election Controversy. That was the time when the PS2 also came out, the economy started slowing down and Hip Hop was becoming more popular. You can actually find roots back to early/mid 2000 with the dot com bubble burst, the Real Slim Shady, Survivor and so on. Overall, it seems like the Y2K era truly only consists of 1999 and 2000 (even the first couple of months of 1999 wasn't fully Y2K yet).


Sounds reasonable, would agree.

2000-2001 definitely felt like a break from the pure Y2K era.

Mid 2000 to Mid 2001 also :

- A lot less lingering 90s and very early Y2K influences in fashion, graphics etc. 90s are somewhat perceived as dated.

- Dvds start seriously getting popular with enough titles to choose from

- Pop hip hop and repetitive electronica dominate music more than before

- More hip hop influence in everything

-N64 is slowly dying

-Backlash against Pokémon and no longer as much of a craze like earlier

-Nu metal gets overplayed and new wave of more radio friendly hits and bands enter: Saliva, Linkin Park, Papa Roach, Adema etc

- Music Cds are beginning to be seen as a passé and unnecessary thing.

- Eminem Mania

- Everyone is excited about reality TV

- Peak of gelled up spiky hair styles. Almost every other person does it at this period. Starting to see faux hawks and other things.

- Skateboarding starting to get popular again with tony hawk games, jackass, etc

- Slow shift towards bush conservatism.

- More authentic alternative/metal etc  sort of hung around here and there in late 98-early 00 rock charts/music, but it didn’t have as much a presence on at this time even though you had bands like HIM and a few others around there was a lot of radio friendly rock.

- A lot more acceptable to have xenophobic, homophobic etc attitudes which is also reflected in social culture at the time.

- More emphasis on being part of the in crowd and cool/macho than earlier. People seemed more in-group focused or just more group minded generally speaking. 2000-2001 was generally less individualist and diverse in terms of groups/subcultures compared to a year like 1998 for sure.

I was living on the West Coast on 9/11 and even though it wasn't the epicenter of the attack, it still impacted us the same way as if we were were living one state over in New Jersey or Connecticut. That time everywhere in America was the same, in a good way. We were all united as one, regardless of where we lived, what race, color, ethnic, or religious background, or political party we were. It impacted pop culture in a way that it started to have a more somber tone. One example is the song "No More Drama" by Mary J. Blige, the music video had scenes from 9/11. Also the music video for "The World's Greatest" by R. Kelly had FDNY, NYPD, and military members in the boxing ring (that song was for the "Ali" soundtrack).


Yeah and I remember Alicia Keys “Fallen” was all over the radio during that time. Again not saying we didn’t feel an emotional impact. But I don’t think it impacted us the way it did the way it would have for those on the east coast.  I remember being at my moms job when it happened in a hospital waiting room in San Francisco. I remember people were like glued to the TV in amazement rather than fear. I remember seeing one of the WTC buildings on fire so I’m assuming this was before the second plane hit. I didn’t see the footage of the second plane hit till I got home. I don’t remember hearing about the other planes that hit the pentagon or the farm land either. I was in pre kindergarten at the time. A couple of artists made tribute songs/videos and I remember Mariah Carey and Boyz to Men performed One Sweet Day at a Christmas award show I believe for the victims. But it did not affect us the way it affected the East Coast. It was on the other side of the country and I don’t really remember it changing the atmosphere of my environment as a child, the adults around me persisted on with their normal lives. I do remember going with my Parents on a weekend in summer of 2003 to protest against war around San Francisco. I helped my mom make signs and everything. And after 9/11 we put the American Flag in front of our gate (which is still there nearly 20 years later). Little things like that are the things I remember about that time. Mary J’s No More Drama was recorded in 2000 before the attack but she did make the music video in tribute to the lives lost. My mom had that album back then haha. There was also that one song with a bunch of known artists in the music video ? The song is off the tip of my tongue and I remember seeing the music video around 2002ish. But as I said even my parents couldn’t really comprehend the emotional impact it had on New York. The summer of 2002 was pretty normal here. That summer was pretty care free. You had Ashanti and Ja Rule everywhere, J-Lo, Kelly and Nelly, Nsync, Usher, Eminem, etc. All over the radio. The vibe of pop culture was pretty care free and peaceful from what I remember. The amount of time it must’ve took that state to emotionally, financially and physically recover must’ve took months to a year then to top it off you had the Afghan/Iraq war. Here in San Francisco we went back to our everyday lives.

Sounds reasonable, would agree.

2000-2001 definitely felt like a break from the pure Y2K era.

Mid 2000 to Mid 2001 also :

- A lot less lingering 90s and very early Y2K influences in fashion, graphics etc. 90s are somewhat perceived as dated.

- Dvds start seriously getting popular with enough titles to choose from

- Pop hip hop and repetitive electronica dominate music more than before

- More hip hop influence in everything

-N64 is slowly dying

-Backlash against Pokémon and no longer as much of a craze like earlier

-Nu metal gets overplayed and new wave of more radio friendly hits and bands enter: Saliva, Linkin Park, Papa Roach, Adema etc

- Music Cds are beginning to be seen as a passé and unnecessary thing.

- Eminem Mania

- Everyone is excited about reality TV

- Peak of gelled up spiky hair styles. Almost every other person does it at this period. Starting to see faux hawks and other things.

- Skateboarding starting to get popular again with tony hawk games, jackass, etc

- Slow shift towards bush conservatism.

- More authentic alternative/metal etc  sort of hung around here and there in late 98-early 00 rock charts/music, but it didn’t have as much a presence on at this time even though you had bands like HIM and a few others around there was a lot of radio friendly rock.

- A lot more acceptable to have xenophobic, homophobic etc attitudes which is also reflected in social culture at the time.

- More emphasis on being part of the in crowd and cool/macho than earlier. People seemed more in-group focused or just more group minded generally speaking. 2000-2001 was generally less individualist and diverse in terms of groups/subcultures compared to a year like 1998 for sure.


100% agree, your last few points are quite interesting. I do remember 2000 feeling a lot more conservative compared to 1998 and even 1999 (mainly the first half). Everything already felt super conservative before 9/11. The early 2000s were just a very conservative and conformist time (I don't really know what triggered it) but, the era was such a far cry compared to how society was by 2010.

I would say we were purely in the Y2K era from July 1999 - March/April 2000.

100% agree, your last few points are quite interesting. I do remember 2000 feeling a lot more conservative compared to 1998 and even 1999 (mainly the first half). Everything already felt super conservative before 9/11. The early 2000s were just a very conservative and conformist time (I don't really know what triggered it) but, the era was such a far cry compared to how society was by 2010.

I would say we were purely in the Y2K era from July 1999 - March/April 2000.


Yes exactly. And totally agree as well.

I remember feeling like there was small break at some point between May-August 2000, and suddenly 98/99-early 2000 felt like a bit different.

There were definitely more curtained hairstyles and JNCOs jeans and fashion that still felt connected to 1997 back in mid to late 1999 and early 2000 that just vanished or grew dated throughout mid 2000-mid 2001.

It just felt like a lot of that energy and excitement was gone. Something felt blander.

Also Pokémon wasn’t just a kids thing in 1998, 1999, early 2000. The craze was in full effect actually during this exact time but you could be 16 and into trading cards or whatever and it was totally acceptable.

But 2000-2001 it was not only hated as marketing gimmick but a dorky or kids thing.

Eminem was also not this icon but just this edgy new artist. Not a jock icon.

Mainstream rock still had some edge to it in 1999-2000. With more organic songwriting. Think of primus, nine inch nails and stone temple pilots releases from that period.

To me rock didn’t fully pick back up until 2002-early 2004

Way I see it. The earliest substantial Y2K elements would be from mid to late 1994 and the last leftovers would be in mid to late 2004. Around a decade later.

You can even say there a lot of starting points and periods that line up in that period, even though it overlaps the mid 90s, late 90s, Y2K and early 2000s.

Ironically I can almost say the same about late 2004 to early 2014.. even though it might not be that exact. 

Late 2001. You had 9/11 (obviously), Y2K teen pop stars like Britney and Christina started to transition into mature R&B-pop, sixth gen gaming was in full force (GC and Xbox), and more music videos around the time left the futuristic trend ("I'm a Slave For You" and "Family Affair" for example).

December 31, 2000 11:59:59 PM.

December 31, 2000 11:59:59 PM.
That is what my calendar says too.

That is what my calendar says too.


Shouldn't it be January 1, 2001 00:00:00? For the last second is still part of the year 2000.

Shouldn't it be January 1, 2001 00:00:00? For the last second is still part of the year 2000.
I was busy celebrating the New Tear back then.

100% agree, your last few points are quite interesting. I do remember 2000 feeling a lot more conservative compared to 1998 and even 1999 (mainly the first half). Everything already felt super conservative before 9/11. The early 2000s were just a very conservative and conformist time (I don't really know what triggered it) but, the era was such a far cry compared to how society was by 2010.

I would say we were purely in the Y2K era from July 1999 - March/April 2000.


It could have been a reaction against the darker aspects of the 90s; Gen x cynicism, drug culture, controversial, dark and gritty themes in pop culture, deaths and negativity associated with rock/grunge/rave/gangsta rap etc

In the mid to late 90s things were already moving towards more of a homogenous and normal vibe but it was wasn’t entirely that way. People didn’t feel forced or pressured to be exactly like everyone else like in the early 2000s imo. There was more personality and style tolerance and you weren’t restricted to a narrow style.

You had multiple/groups co existing a lot more than the the early 2000s.

Not everyone had to fit into as much of a mold like later.

Some point in the Y2k and early 2000s a lot of the style, trends, music. fashion and attitude that went along sort of promoted a more bubblegum and cookie cutter image along with a more clean cut or macho image above the rest. A lot of that style fit into more of a group oriented mindset that in some cases could go along with right leaning or conservative viewpoints.

That coupled with the way politics were moving at the time and the disconnect from trends and awareness that promoted more individualism, tolerance/diversity etc earlier.

The 90s were not free of some similar things but not on the same level.

I would say 2000-2006 were most notable for this attitude.It was there in 1999 but probably the least bad. Late 1998 I can’t recall noticing it. The late 2000s/2010s it was mostly gone but it wasn’t until the mid or even late 2010s that it was completely gone I think.

doesn’t have to always mean bigotry or homophobia it’s more like a group minded mindset that’s opposed to difference whatever it is.

You even had chavs in England who kind of represent this type of early 2000s attitude but in a more juvenile/criminal  way.

I’m sure the 50s or some part of the 80s had a similar thing going.

Again not all of it was bad, depending on what you prefer and how you see it, was just attempting to explain some of it.

I know this is going to be a controversial pick, but I would say the Y2K era stretched from 1998 until specifically fall 2004. I know people note the striking change in pop culture and politics before and after 9/11, but I also see a great deal of continuity in terms of the retention of certain themes and aesthetics throughout the era.

Besides, I think things can change within a cultural period as long as things hold on to a certain degree of commonality; after all, I lump 2008 to 2016 together even though I think most people put a sharp dividing line at 2013. If you ask me, the Y2K era ended with the Bush v. Kerry election and the release of the album American Idiot, especially the latter.

Here's what I think we'll all agree on, the difference between post-COVID-19 world and pre-COVID-19 world will be more drastic and catastrophic than post-9/11 world and pre-9/11 world. Nothing will ever compare, and if anyone disagrees, then you've been under a rock the past few months.

Here's what I think we'll all agree on, the difference between post-COVID-19 world and pre-COVID-19 world will be more drastic and catastrophic than post-9/11 world and pre-9/11 world. Nothing will ever compare, and if anyone disagrees, then you've been under a rock the past few months.

I suppose that depends on how many long-lasting changes there are as a result.

I know this is going to be a controversial pick, but I would say the Y2K era stretched from 1998 until specifically fall 2004. I know people note the striking change in pop culture and politics before and after 9/11, but I also see a great deal of continuity in terms of the retention of certain themes and aesthetics throughout the era.

Besides, I think things can change within a cultural period as long as things hold on to a certain degree of commonality; after all, I lump 2008 to 2016 together even though I think most people put a sharp dividing line at 2013. If you ask me, the Y2K era ended with the Bush v. Kerry election and the release of the album American Idiot, especially the latter.


The early 00's era, which was from 2001-2004 was a separate era from the Y2K era.

2001 was a transitional year anyway even before 9/11. 9/11 just accelerated the transition, and made the vibe more pessimistic with the feeling of uncertainty and vulnerability mixed with patriotism and conservatism. 2001 without 9/11 would pretty much have been similar to 2017, a year that was gradually transitioning and you barely noticed it until afterwards. Also the inaugural year for a Republican president.


Here's what I think we'll all agree on, the difference between post-COVID-19 world and pre-COVID-19 world will be more drastic and catastrophic than post-9/11 world and pre-9/11 world. Nothing will ever compare, and if anyone disagrees, then you've been under a rock the past few months.


Yeah, wearing facemasks, not going to restaurants, cinemas, sporting events, or anything involving large groups in full capacity is a much more drastic change then going through the TSA checkpoints (pretty much air travel is the only thing that really changed after 9/11 compared with before). One thing that was different in the pre-9/11 world was being able to meet someone/see someone off at the gate.

I think the Y2K Era ended completely by Early 2003, so I think 2002 was the last year that still mostly felt like the Y2K Era because as someone who remembers 2002 very well, it felt WAY MORE like 1999 than 2004...

I agree. If you have any personal memories of prior to the attacks, that should matter just as much as remembering the attacks themselves. Also, assuming age 3 is when memories begin to form for most people, the absolute youngest of people that would have any memories prior to 9/11 would be those whom are turning 22 this year. However, it's more common for those in their mid 20s at the moment now to be of the last to easily have some vivid memories of life before the attacks (I would include a decent chunk of 97' borns in that category as well). Anybody turning 21 this year and or anybody whom is currently under 21 likely doesn't remember anything of 9/11 and especially of anything prior (including personal events).


Yeah honestly it’s something I can’t really forget. I remember summer of 2001 pretty well. That was a really great summer, I went to Disneyland (first time on a airplane) for the first time and to this amazing waterpark for my birthday. We went camping a lot during the summer of 2000-2001. It is kind of strange that a group of people only 2-3 years younger than me have no memories of that year or a time surrounding the attacks.

I agree. If you have any personal memories of prior to the attacks, that should matter just as much as remembering the attacks themselves. Also, assuming age 3 is when memories begin to form for most people, the absolute youngest of people that would have any memories prior to 9/11 would be those whom are turning 22 this year. However, it's more common for those in their mid 20s at the moment now to be of the last to easily have some vivid memories of life before the attacks (I would include a decent chunk of 97' borns in that category as well). Anybody turning 21 this year and or anybody whom is currently under 21 likely doesn't remember anything of 9/11 and especially of anything prior (including personal events).

Not really because you can have personal memories related to your family and friends, but not any related to pop culture. Majority of people can't tell you what the world was like at 3 years old, they can only recite things they did with their peers. However, those memories don't hold any real significance in these discussions.

Not really because you can have personal memories related to your family and friends, but not any related to pop culture. Majority of people can't tell you what the world was like at 3 years old, they can only recite things they did with their peers. However, those memories don't hold any real significance in these discussions.


True and false to an extent. Children begin developing cultural awareness by age 2 1/2 to 3 years old which has been researched (bilingual children can speak/retain two languages interchangeably by age 2). https://child.unl.edu/cultural-diversity  This is also around the time children begin forming memories. I’m sure if you listen to music from 1996-1997 (when you were ages 3-4) you will remember some of the music or your brain might attach itself to a distant memory/feeling you felt during the popularity of that song. That happens to me all the time.

For those of us who were young during the millennium, it was a different era for pop culture. SUPER manufactured, in fact Nsync was on sesame street in 2000 and Nickelodeon would play TLC and Britney Spears Music Videos back then. It’s easy for a 3 year old to retain music a memorize it as music is incessantly played, and during a highly manufactured pop era, it was almost hard to escape. Like children were digesting pop culture back then. Unless you were raised with parents who were of an older cohort and despised pop music of that time, it would also depends on the geopolitics, race and age demographics you grew up with, etc. Both of my parents had me at 23-24 years old and were still young enough to enjoy pop music during the time of my childhood.

^ Sure, I can remember songs and other things from '96, but under no circumstance can I describe to anyone what the world was like in significant detail. I would've had to been an older kid at the very least in order to do that. I can only recite minor details of daily living not a coherent or encapsulating picture of how the world was or what events shifted our culture. So those memories don't hold any real significance in these types of discussions.

So if we were discussing a similar topic, such as, "Was '96 mid or late 90s," I wouldn't be able to depend on my memory to formulate an argument for or against any particular stance. I'd have to research instead. It just is what it is. 3 year olds mostly have memories that are very personal and unique.

^ Sure, I can remember songs and other things from '96, but under no circumstance can I describe to anyone what the world was like in significant detail. I would've had to been an older kid at the very least in order to do that. I can only recite minor details of daily living not a coherent or encapsulating picture of how the world was or what events shifted our culture. So those memories don't hold any real significance in these types of discussions.

So if we were discussing a similar topic, such as, "Was '96 mid or late 90s," I wouldn't be able to depend on my memory to formulate an argument for or against any particular stance. I'd have to research instead. It just is what it is. 3 year olds mostly have memories that are very personal and unique.


Oh yeah I totally agree. That’s why it was hard for me to believe that most people born in the mid 90’s understood the political difference between a pre 9/11 and a post 9/11 world because we were under 6 for a majority of that time with no understanding of politics and why the world was the way the world was. We may remember personal memories but not much of anything outside our daily personal little bubble. Heck even people born in the early 90’s can’t fully comprehend a pre 9/11 world because they were kids with little to know understanding of social studies and sociology of how the world worked in the 90’s. This is why these discussions never work because on one end you have adults looking back on their childhoods (a rapidly developing period) rather than at a time when they were teens/adults and comprehensive of what was going on outside their own bubble.

The early 00's era, which was from 2001-2004 was a separate era from the Y2K era.

2001 was a transitional year anyway even before 9/11. 9/11 just accelerated the transition, and made the vibe more pessimistic with the feeling of uncertainty and vulnerability mixed with patriotism and conservatism. 2001 without 9/11 would pretty much have been similar to 2017, a year that was gradually transitioning and you barely noticed it until afterwards. Also the inaugural year for a Republican president.



I heartily disagree. But this is why I prefaced my post with saying it was a controversial pick.

It could have been a reaction against the darker aspects of the 90s; Gen x cynicism, drug culture, controversial, dark and gritty themes in pop culture, deaths and negativity associated with rock/grunge/rave/gangsta rap etc

In the mid to late 90s things were already moving towards more of a homogenous and normal vibe but it was wasn’t entirely that way. People didn’t feel forced or pressured to be exactly like everyone else like in the early 2000s imo. There was more personality and style tolerance and you weren’t restricted to a narrow style.

You had multiple/groups co existing a lot more than the the early 2000s.

Not everyone had to fit into as much of a mold like later.

Some point in the Y2k and early 2000s a lot of the style, trends, music. fashion and attitude that went along sort of promoted a more bubblegum and cookie cutter image along with a more clean cut or macho image above the rest. A lot of that style fit into more of a group oriented mindset that in some cases could go along with right leaning or conservative viewpoints.

That coupled with the way politics were moving at the time and the disconnect from trends and awareness that promoted more individualism, tolerance/diversity etc earlier.

The 90s were not free of some similar things but not on the same level.

I would say 2000-2006 were most notable for this attitude.It was there in 1999 but probably the least bad. Late 1998 I can’t recall noticing it. The late 2000s/2010s it was mostly gone but it wasn’t until the mid or even late 2010s that it was completely gone I think.

doesn’t have to always mean bigotry or homophobia it’s more like a group minded mindset that’s opposed to difference whatever it is.

You even had chavs in England who kind of represent this type of early 2000s attitude but in a more juvenile/criminal  way.

I’m sure the 50s or some part of the 80s had a similar thing going.

Again not all of it was bad, depending on what you prefer and how you see it, was just attempting to explain some of it.


Definitely agree, I remember the 1990s looked quite left wing in the early 2000s. I remember back in say 2002 you would be made fun of if you liked Pokémon, Bubblegum Pop, owned a Nintendo Gamecube and so on. People also had the habit in the early 2000s to call everything 'gay'. I think that the early 2000s kind of reflects the 1980s in a way, according to my uncle, young people/teens were all very conservative in the early - mid 80s (especially compared to the 1970s), I think it was maybe caused out of nostalgia for the 50s (people wanted to go back).

For the 90s, I would say 1990 - 1994 was quite individualistic/Left Leaning (the late 80s were already starting to be more liberal), 1995 - 1998 were more moderate, 1999 was only slightly leaning conservative and for 2000 - 2006 everything was very right winged/comformist.

By 2007 things were starting to change and by 2010, the early 2000s seemed like a very different era. I could never imagine someone like Lady Gaga being taken seriously in 2002.

Definitely agree, I remember the 1990s looked quite left wing in the early 2000s. I remember back in say 2002 you would be made fun of if you liked Pokémon, Bubblegum Pop, owned a Nintendo Gamecube and so on. People also had the habit in the early 2000s to call everything 'gay'. I think that the early 2000s kind of reflects the 1980s in a way, according to my uncle, young people/teens were all very conservative in the early - mid 80s (especially compared to the 1970s), I think it was maybe caused out of nostalgia for the 50s (people wanted to go back).

For the 90s, I would say 1990 - 1994 was quite individualistic/Left Leaning (the late 80s were already starting to be more liberal), 1995 - 1998 were more moderate, 1999 was only slightly leaning conservative and for 2000 - 2006 everything was very right winged/comformist.

By 2007 things were starting to change and by 2010, the early 2000s seemed like a very different era. I could never imagine someone like Lady Gaga being taken seriously in 2002.


That’s very true.

Weird thing was it was so extreme like everything was gay. It could be anything and everything.

If deviated from norm just by a tiny tiny bit, it was perceived as weird.

You did have a lot of stand up comics, South Park and other shows pushing politically incorrect and or right leaning libertarian views, that teens were really into. Not sure if that contributed.

It’s was also like I said a reaction to the decadence and extremes in the 90s. People just wanted to be more normal I'm guessing as well.

Like even in 1997 or 1998 you could be a outcast, geek, skater, or someone wearing crow make up, a mohawk or multiple piercings or whatever to school.

and you wouldn't be constantly bullied like you would have been in 2001-2006.

It was definitely a good time to be a sort of narcissistic or pseudo alpha male/female personality, the culture ( outside of kids world) seemed to favor that kind of personality in many ways.

In the early to mid 90s the culture seemed to celebrate being a rebel or an outsider. Jocks and preppy kids were sort of dressing grunge and like hard rockers.

Maybe my local circumstances differed from the rest of yours, but I think the reason I lump 2002-2004 in with all the rest of the Y2K era is because there seemed to be some "last holdouts of the liberal era" thing going. Like with 2017 and the Resistance, #metoo and whatnot, it seemed like there were pockets of anti-Bush liberalism trying to cling to relevancy and survival that were promptly snuffed out by the 2004 re-election...until they sprung up again in the mid- to late 2000s with Hurricane Katrina and the rest.

Definitely agree, I remember the 1990s looked quite left wing in the early 2000s. I remember back in say 2002 you would be made fun of if you liked Pokémon, Bubblegum Pop, owned a Nintendo Gamecube and so on. People also had the habit in the early 2000s to call everything 'gay'. I think that the early 2000s kind of reflects the 1980s in a way, according to my uncle, young people/teens were all very conservative in the early - mid 80s (especially compared to the 1970s), I think it was maybe caused out of nostalgia for the 50s (people wanted to go back).

For the 90s, I would say 1990 - 1994 was quite individualistic/Left Leaning (the late 80s were already starting to be more liberal), 1995 - 1998 were more moderate, 1999 was only slightly leaning conservative and for 2000 - 2006 everything was very right winged/comformist.

By 2007 things were starting to change and by 2010, the early 2000s seemed like a very different era. I could never imagine someone like Lady Gaga being taken seriously in 2002.

People called everything "gay" in the late 2000s/early 2010s too. Whether it was to call someone gay for dressing a certain way or just calling something dumb. They even had to put out commercials encouraging people to stop using the word so much. I feel like in the late 2000s, celebs could get away with being quirky but not necessarily the general public.

People called everything "gay" in the late 2000s/early 2010s too. Whether it was to call someone gay for dressing a certain way or just calling something dumb. They even had to put out commercials encouraging people to stop using the word so much. I feel like in the late 2000s, celebs could get away with being quirky but not necessarily the general public.
Some people still use gay as an insult, especially in dank meme culture...

People called everything "gay" in the late 2000s/early 2010s too. Whether it was to call someone gay for dressing a certain way or just calling something dumb. They even had to put out commercials encouraging people to stop using the word so much. I feel like in the late 2000s, celebs could get away with being quirky but not necessarily the general public.


Around that time I remember people saying "no homo" immediately after saying something that could be perceived as being homosexual, just to clarify that they are not.

SIGH... this is kinda getting old for me. But here it goes!!

It ended summer/fall of 2001 for a bunch of reasons I could get into,(but I'm working on final exams so I can't go into ful details until I'm done.) But you could argue that it's influences lasted till 2003. Heck you could even say SOME of them lasted till 05. But since the era wasn't really cultural 90s or 2000s to me, just it's own in between time period. That's what I stand by...

People called everything "gay" in the late 2000s/early 2010s too. Whether it was to call someone gay for dressing a certain way or just calling something dumb. They even had to put out commercials encouraging people to stop using the word so much. I feel like in the late 2000s, celebs could get away with being quirky but not necessarily the general public.



Around that time I remember people saying "no homo" immediately after saying something that could be perceived as being homosexual, just to clarify that they are not.



Some people still use gay as an insult, especially in dank meme culture...


Yeah and that's kind of always been around but I don't think it was on the same level as during the early 2000s.

I think there was a bit of that left, especially in film and comedy in the early 2010s before it became unacceptable. Again, not all of it was necessarily intentionally homophobic but sometimes more of a way to ridicule difference.

It doesn't mean either period was instantly bad just because of this. Also nobody is talking about kid/childhood culture here.

Also early to mid 2010s had some degree of similar conformist attitudes but more on the opposite end of the spectrum. The look at some point became very uniform; excessive facial hair/beards, ironic t-shirts etc and in some social circles if you weren't on board with a particular set of interests or viewpoints this could be frowned upon, that could be anything. Still it was a very open period, and regardless of trump it still is a very open period, and generally wasn't that really conformist at all like before.

Left leaning/Generally more open periods: ( In order of)

Again these are subjective. Just generally speaking.

2010s- Present

1.2013- 2016/early 2017
2.2010-2012
3. Mid 2017-2020 (almost the same as 2)

2000s

1.2008-2009
2.Early 2000
3.2007-2008
4.2003-2004
5.2005-2006
6.2000-2003

90s:

1.1992-1996
2.1990-1992
3.1996-1998
4.1998-1999

1980s:

1.1988-1989
2.1987-1988
3.1984-1987
4.1980-1983 (Or I could lump 1980 to 1987/early 88 but thats too much)

People called everything "gay" in the late 2000s/early 2010s too. Whether it was to call someone gay for dressing a certain way or just calling something dumb. They even had to put out commercials encouraging people to stop using the word so much. I feel like in the late 2000s, celebs could get away with being quirky but not necessarily the general public.


Omg yes. Do you remember the Hillary Duff Commercial back then ? Where she was advocating against the “that’s so gay term” ? It used to come on teen nick, VH1 and Disney Channel I believe.

I voted 2003 but that's more from a pop culture standpoint, because I would say that the Y2K era was over after 9/11 happened. With that being said I would say there was still a lot of pop culture that came out as late as early 2004 that could pass for Y2K era. A lot of Radio Disney music from 2003 could pass for being Y2K era songs (Cheetah Girls, Nikki Cleary, and Hilary Duff all come to mind). I was in Grade 4 during the 03/04 school year and that would be about when any Y2K influence took its last breath IMO.

Of course this is from a kid's point of view, and also this is more of an exception considering teen pop fell out of mainstream popularity pretty fast after the summer of 2001. Of course there were some acts that held on like Nsync and Britney Spears, however their sound also changed with the times. NSYNC released one last single before breaking up and that song was very early 00s and did not sound Y2K at all. However it seems like pop culture that was aimed at kids in junior high and younger still held onto a lot of late 90's influence even as late as 2004.

I wonder when the “McBling” era began? I know the recession in 2008/09 killed it. But this was prominent look during the Bush/Iraq years. (I probably already answered my question  :P)

https://aesthetics.fandom.com/wiki/McBling


https://www.facebook.com/groups/1770963079856555/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KH1XLDSWomU

2003 was the start of the core 00's, and mid 00's culture started later that year, although at the same time it was the final early 00's year, there was no Y2K vibe left by then whatsoever.

C'mon man, really? In 2003 you still had stuff like this:

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This stuff was still pretty similar to 1998-2002, in terms of its Y2K campiness.

I would say 2002, based on things I read in this forum's archives when I was a lurker to the site.

Some people in the thread I lurked said that "2003 was the start of the mid-2000s" while other people were saying "Actually it was 2004" (I'm actually paraphrasing, but it really did have a sort of back-and-forth feel to it).

From what I understand, the late '90s and early '00s immediately following were the larger areas of time that the Y2K era resided within. Part of my vote has to do with my thinking that 2003 is either a transitional year, or the whole of it was the conclusion of the early 2000s. The reason I say this is mainly due to there being many more vibrant color-schemed PS2 games released in '03 compared to just a year later... Think Sonic Heroes v. Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas -- or, excluding M-rated games, Shadow the Hedgehog ('05).

And also, I would say that the Y2K era ended in 2002 because of one particular video game regarded to be a gem of the early 2000s... I'm talking, of course, about Grand Theft Auto: Vice City. The game, despite being one of the GTAs, has a much more carefree vibe compared to that of GTA: SA, and the reason I say that is because despite a mob boss being on your case, Tommy himself doesn't really... Care that much, in the sense that you can tell from the falling out between him and the boss over the phone that Tommy was pissed to the point he'd sooner die than do anything else for his boss. This means that rather than the extreme loyalty to the gang CJ felt for the Grove, Tommy was more like 'screw that noise'. I know I'm probably focusing on this one game too much, but I remember reading that by the mid-2000s, it became the most widely-sold game in the world.

Compare to GTA III: the very atmosphere of the game is depressing and enough to give you the creeps when you just walk Claude around for a long enough time. The color scheme IS dull and grayish, but also this was at a time when just about everything else in pop culture wasn't.. So at the time, playing the game all day was not as emotionally draining as it would be to play the game all day, today.

I don't think, from what the archives showed me, that 9/11 could have ended the Y2K era, and that's simply because other countries had their own mega-tragedies. A poster from the UK, case in point, who was born in the early '90s told of a tragic event that may have happened as early as 1999. I may be paraphrasing, but what they essentially said was, "the London Bridge bombings were so vicious as to end the lives of babies. Just nearing my preteen years at the time, I wasn't quite prepared for when the news reached me - although I was old enough to know that the world was generally bad - and it really messed with my head."

The UK had the IRA bombing campaign from the 1960s to 1990s. Terrorism was nothing new for us. In 1988 some Islamic extremist blew up a plane over Scotland, killing over 200 people in the process. Dead bodies literally fell down into people’s gardens.

9/11 was on a different level of course, but we had our fair share of tragedies before then.

The UK had the IRA bombing campaign from the 1960s to 1990s. Terrorism was nothing new for us. In 1988 some Islamic extremist blew up a plane over Scotland, killing over 200 people in the process. Dead bodies literally fell down into people’s gardens.

9/11 was on a different level of course, but we had our fair share of tragedies before then.


I added 'IRA' to my Ecosia searches... I was brought to cait.ulster.ac.uk/sutton/  -- the person I quoted from the archives might have said this attack in which babies were killed happened at any point in the 1990s.

The link I got to listed deaths chronologically when clicking certain tabs, and I might have found the specific bombing that was mentioned... August 15, 1998?

I would say 2002, based on things I read in this forum's archives when I was a lurker to the site.

Some people in the thread I lurked said that "2003 was the start of the mid-2000s" while other people were saying "Actually it was 2004" (I'm actually paraphrasing, but it really did have a sort of back-and-forth feel to it).

From what I understand, the late '90s and early '00s immediately following were the larger areas of time that the Y2K era resided within. Part of my vote has to do with my thinking that 2003 is either a transitional year, or the whole of it was the conclusion of the early 2000s. The reason I say this is mainly due to there being many more vibrant color-schemed PS2 games released in '03 compared to just a year later... Think Sonic Heroes v. Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas -- or, excluding M-rated games, Shadow the Hedgehog ('05).

And also, I would say that the Y2K era ended in 2002 because of one particular video game regarded to be a gem of the early 2000s... I'm talking, of course, about Grand Theft Auto: Vice City. The game, despite being one of the GTAs, has a much more carefree vibe compared to that of GTA: SA, and the reason I say that is because despite a mob boss being on your case, Tommy himself doesn't really... Care that much, in the sense that you can tell from the falling out between him and the boss over the phone that Tommy was pissed to the point he'd sooner die than do anything else for his boss. This means that rather than the extreme loyalty to the gang CJ felt for the Grove, Tommy was more like 'screw that noise'. I know I'm probably focusing on this one game too much, but I remember reading that by the mid-2000s, it became the most widely-sold game in the world.

Compare to GTA III: the very atmosphere of the game is depressing and enough to give you the creeps when you just walk Claude around for a long enough time. The color scheme IS dull and grayish, but also this was at a time when just about everything else in pop culture wasn't.. So at the time, playing the game all day was not as emotionally draining as it would be to play the game all day, today.

I don't think, from what the archives showed me, that 9/11 could have ended the Y2K era, and that's simply because other countries had their own mega-tragedies. A poster from the UK, case in point, who was born in the early '90s told of a tragic event that may have happened as early as 1999. I may be paraphrasing, but what they essentially said was, "the London Bridge bombings were so vicious as to end the lives of babies. Just nearing my preteen years at the time, I wasn't quite prepared for when the news reached me - although I was old enough to know that the world was generally bad - and it really messed with my head."


I don't remember any attacks in the UK in the late '90s. Seeing as he was a preteen, could it be the 2005 London bombings?

I don't remember any attacks in the UK in the late '90s. Seeing as he was a preteen, could it be the 2005 London bombings?


Possibly because if they didn't say it happened before 9/11, then they may have said that they didn't feel what Americans felt during 9/11 until the attack on the London bridge.

Swayzak from Toonami was a great example of the Y2K aesthetic, and he debuted in September 2002. So early 2003, maybe?

The Y2K era ended squarely on September 11th, 2001. It was during that same time that TRL pop happened to decline, the sixth generation of gaming really took off, DVDs became more widespread, and Google became more mainstream.

The Y2K era ended squarely on September 11th, 2001. It was during that same time that TRL pop happened to decline, the sixth generation of gaming really took off, DVDs became more widespread, and Google became more mainstream.


Yeah, I think the era ended by the end of 2001. The final months of that year after 9/11 maybe don't fit neatly into Y2K or the new early 2000s culture. FF10 came out in December 2001 in North America, and that was a big boost for the new generation of systems and for the PS2. The buildup to the Iraq War didn't start until 2002, and that's where I think 2000s politics took off in the U.S. Afghanistan was a natural target after 9/11 and not controversial, but politics had to get really slimy in a noticeably more severe way than what had been normal in recent years in order to get the Iraq War off the ground.

So I'd say 2002 is definitely post-Y2K era but late 2001 is like a strange twilight phrase.

FWIW a lot of songs from 2003 could easily pass for Y2K pop songs.

1-2-3 by Nikki Cleary and Girl Power by The Cheetah Girls are great examples

The Y2K era ended squarely on September 11th, 2001. It was during that same time that TRL pop happened to decline, the sixth generation of gaming really took off, DVDs became more widespread, and Google became more mainstream.
Those things started happening in May 2001 though, Idk...

The Y2K era ended squarely on September 11th, 2001. It was during that same time that TRL pop happened to decline, the sixth generation of gaming really took off, DVDs became more widespread, and Google became more mainstream.

We'll have to agree to disagree there. Late 2001-2003, even parts of 2004, still had a lot of stuff that could pass as Y2K to me like old Adult Swim, Freaky Friday, Spy Kids 3, Kangaroo Jack, Daredevil (it's got the campiness of the Y2K era, but some of the music is more core 00s like Evanesence), Scooby Doo movie, Treasure Planet, Matrix sequels, Nellyville, The Core, Attack of the Clones, Wrath of Cortex, Kim Possible, etc.

I feel like either companies ran out of stuff made pre-9/11 by 2004-2005 which ended the Y2K vibes, OR Bush's re-election as well as Hurricane Katrina ended the Y2K vibes and not 9/11. I tend to think of the Y2K era as being around 1998-2003, which I think differs from the rest of this board's viewpoint. The rest of this board seems to think the Y2K era was only 1999-2001 or so.

Spring 2003.

The Iraq War started to bitterly divide people and changed the mood drastically and maybe that unintentionally had an effect on people's habits and choices in leisure and entertainment.

2002 I do recall felt like the twilight of the Y2K era and still had the shiny visuals and outfits not just in music videos but real life too.