I notice people are not trashing the decade like they did before, but I feel it's because people are even more unhappy with the way things are now. Back in the the late 2000s/early 2010s people had  some hope for this decade, but things haven't been very good during the second half of the 2010s.

I don't remember people having hope for the 2010s.

Does seem millennials don't hate the 2000s as much,however, with things such as 9/11,the Iraq war,The Great Recession,etc,the 2000s(atleast politically speaking) were terrible. Also the music is the early 2000s were also a lot better than the music from the late 2000s as well,and the  kids culture changed a lot during the mid 2000s and the shows that millennials grew up with during their childhood years no longer were airing. Unfortunately the 2010s haven't much better or maybe in some ways, maybe even worse,especially Politically speaking.

No. Now that it's firmly in the past, the rose coloured glasses are coming on and people are warming up to the 2000s. This happens to every decade and will happen to the 2010s too.

I'd say no. The early 2000s have been nostalgic for a few years now, and some could attribute that era as being one of the more darker times in recent history (the controversial 2000 Election, 9/11, early 00s recession, Invasion of Iraq, Enron scandal, etc). So if people were able to rehabilitate the early part of the decade, it will only be a matter of time when people will begin to rehabilitate the late part as well.

Does seem millennials don't hate the 2000s as much,however, with things such as 9/11,the Iraq war,The Great Recession,etc,the 2000s(atleast politically speaking) were terrible. Also the music is the early 2000s were also a lot better than the music from the late 2000s as well,and the  kids culture changed a lot during the mid 2000s and the shows that millennials grew up with during their childhood years no longer were airing. Unfortunately the 2010s haven't much better or maybe in some ways, maybe even worse,especially Politically speaking.


2000-2004 was still pretty good for kid culture in my opinion. 2005 was when Gen Z kid culture started taking over.

No. Now that it's firmly in the past, the rose coloured glasses are coming on and people are warming up to the 2000s. This happens to every decade and will happen to the 2010s too.

Some people are already nostalgic for the early 2010s.  ;D

I'm not a millennial (born in 1975) but the 21st century has been horrible overall.

Would give anything to go back to any previous decade. It was a completely different world back then.

I'm not a millennial (born in 1975) but the 21st century has been horrible overall.

Would give anything to go back to any previous decade. It was a completely different world back then.


The late 20th century feels like a golden age, at least in the first world, compared with this century so far

The way the internet was allowed to evolve was a huge mistake.

It led to hypernormalisation, the death of real journalism, people being nothing more than data to be exploited, and the mainstreaming of porn.

We're entering a dystopia that's a mix of Brave New World and 1984.

The cherry on top is we're currently in the sixth mass extinction and it's not even close to slowing down.

This isn't what the 21st century was supposed to be.

The way the internet was allowed to evolve was a huge mistake.

It led to hypernormalisation, the death of real journalism, people being nothing more than data to be exploited, and the mainstreaming of porn.

We're entering a dystopia that's a mix of Brave New World and 1984.

The cherry on top is we're currently in the sixth mass extinction and it's not even close to slowing down.

This isn't what the 21st century was supposed to be.


Oh no, not porn.

The early 2000s were great in the UK, it seems to be only the US where they are seen as ‘dark’.

The way the internet was allowed to evolve was a huge mistake.

It led to hypernormalisation, the death of real journalism, people being nothing more than data to be exploited, and the mainstreaming of porn.

We're entering a dystopia that's a mix of Brave New World and 1984.

The cherry on top is we're currently in the sixth mass extinction and it's not even close to slowing down.

This isn't what the 21st century was supposed to be.


I'm not a huge fan of social media either. I also have to admit music hasn't really been good since the mid 90s.

The way the internet was allowed to evolve was a huge mistake.

It led to hypernormalisation, the death of real journalism, people being nothing more than data to be exploited, and the mainstreaming of porn.

We're entering a dystopia that's a mix of Brave New World and 1984.

The cherry on top is we're currently in the sixth mass extinction and it's not even close to slowing down.

This isn't what the 21st century was supposed to be.

One thing I can't stand is when people use Social Media to complain about Social Media.

One thing I can't stand is when people use Social Media to complain about Social Media.


Facebook is overrun with miserable old Boomers who hate social media yet spend every waking moment on it.

Facebook is overrun with miserable old Boomers who hate social media yet spend every waking moment on it.
Not every waking moment...

Facebook is overrun with miserable old Boomers who hate social media yet spend every waking moment on it.

And this forum is still a form of social media...

And this forum is still a form of social media...


No it isn't.

You might as well just say the entire internet has always been social media if you're going to include 20 year old forums into the definition.

No it isn't.

You might as well just say the entire internet has always been social media if you're going to include 20 year old forums into the definition.

Pretty much it is and same with Youtube. A lot of older people are in denial about it.

It has nothing to do with denial and more to do with simple facts. Which generation comments on it is irrelevant.

So the internet was something before that something existed? Really?



The only thing in the pre-social media world that comes close is chat rooms....and even that is a massive stretch to label social media.

No it isn't.

It is. You can say it isn't to make yourself appear less contradicting or hypocritical, but that is a simple case of cognitive dissonance.

To me social media is sites like Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, and YouTube.

Definition of social media. : forms of electronic communication (such as websites for social networking and microblogging) through which users create online communities to share information, ideas, personal messages, and other content (such as videos). Example: We are communicating from either a Desktop Computer, Laptop, Phone or Ipad.ect We share videos and our Idea's on decades, generations or personal experinces.

Edit: TheGipper I respect your opinion but at the same time I'm just stating facts.

To me social media is sites like Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, and YouTube.
Not just to you....to the entire planet basically except for a handful here for whatever reason.

Maybe it's some trendy thing now to retcon the whole internet into social media...or it became a meme. I suppose the definition of what social media is has been broadened. Who knows.



The internet is now essentially just a giant monster whose tendrils have wrapped us all in its chaos. Hell, even the minority of people who don't actually use it are influenced by it, even if indirectly. Might as well place everything under one umbrella.

We're entering an Idiocracy so it probably helps in that regard to narrow things down...pretty much an "everything is everything" stance.

They should also retcon all TVs as YouTube, all music formats as mp3s, all phones as smartphones, list goes on and on.  :P


It is. You can say it isn't to make yourself appear less contradicting or hypocritical, but that is a simple case of cognitive dissonance.
This is quickly veering into idiocy.

There's nothing contradicting, hypocritical, or any cognitive dissonance in anything I've said.

Look up words in the dictionary before throwing them my way. Just because you disagree with something doesn't make it a contradiction, hypocritical, or drowning in cognitive dissonance.





Exodus...you posted as I hit submit.



Definition of social media.
As I suspected... we're now broadening the definition of social media.

So chat rooms, even in their 90s basic form, can apparently now be categorized as social media.

On music chat rooms during concerts for specific bands, tons of fans would meet in a chat room. Someone at the show would call a fan in the chat room with live updates and they would post as the info came in.

Pretty cool at the time yet very primitive in comparison to how fans would start to engage when actual social media came along.

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Millennial or not, I think the 2000s still generally has a bad rep ever since 9/11 and the politics that came ever since it. The pervasiveness of technology changed how people and society functioned significantly as well.


Culturally, I'm not sure if the 2000s had much of a cultural identity outside of its reputation for being a peak of alternative culture. I'm not sure about the 90s, but I feel like it's a mix of 70s progressivism and 80s prosperity (in the United States at least), while I believe the 2010s is a mix of progressive politics until 2016, a more conservative, gender conforming and bland aesthetic and more market fundamentalist tendencies with the likes of DRM-locked streaming services controlling the way we can consume media.

If anything, I feel like the 2000s is almost a rehash of the 80s, with the exception of more advanced technology and a somewhat less gender non-conforming look compared to the 80s, but still more gender non-conforming in some respects IMO compared to the 2010s.

I'm not a millennial (born in 1975) but the 21st century has been horrible overall.

Would give anything to go back to any previous decade. It was a completely different world back then.


As a member of the lgbt community I’d rather stay in the 21st century

One thing I can't stand is when people use Social Media to complain about Social Media.


I also agree - but this is a bit ironic! However, I'm taking it light heartedly because this forum dates back to before 'social media ' sites/apps as we know them now - but it still is a place where 'socially' people discuss things and are part of a community!


Facebook is overrun with miserable old Boomers who hate social media yet spend every waking moment on it.


And that's why I don't go on it regularly anymore! OK, well really I can't bear reading the cringey posts my mum makes and my uncle's constant (and I mean 10 posts a day) talk about Brexit. I much prefer the positivity on Instagram - even though I know a lot of it it fake influencer content.

I am not a fan of the early 00s fashion that has made a resurgence - mainly because it was the fashion of my late teenage years which I don't look all that fondly on. Give me 80s and 90s and then I'm happy.



The early 2000s were great in the UK, it seems to be only the US where they are seen as ‘dark’.


As for the politics/ post 9/11 discussion, I disagree - we were all shaked by 9/11 and then came the invasion of Iraq, then 7/7 - it was pretty terrifying really. But the 2010s more so - with smaller concentrated attacks targeting a variety of places. Do you mind me asking how old you are Shadowcookie? You might have a slightly rosier glow if you are at least 10 years younger than me (I'm 35 btw).

Millennials hate a time period that they grew up in? As overly nostalgia as they can be I'm surprised they're disappointed with the 2000s, however, I may just be missing something. I suppose not all millennials grew up in the 2000s as rather more so younger half that were in their kids-teen years by he end. 

Millennials hate a time period that they grew up in? As overly nostalgia as they can be I'm surprised they're disappointed with the 2000s, however, I may just be missing something. I suppose not all millennials grew up in the 2000s as rather more so younger half that were in their kids-teen years by he end.

Gen Z person here, I feel like almost no one wants to even acknowledge the 2000s. I think the 2000s had an alternative vibe that most people don't like, combined with the highly commercialized culture and certain cultural hangovers like homophobia and sexism, that seemed to take place. The internet perhaps also amplified the "good old days".


No one really likes the 2000s because it was the decade of 9/11, emo, crap rap and pop music that seemed far more derivative and formulaic than earlier iterations, and because everyone can have a phone or computer for almost free and use it anywhere and any time compared to the past.

I think people prefer the 2010s because of more acceptance of diversity and the environment and how streaming makes media consumption more convenient, even if they can't keep said content. Gender conforming (good in the eyes of some people) and more "positive" fashion cropped up too. This is despite technology being the norm and some of the awful politics in some cases too.

Gen Z person here, I feel like almost no one wants to even acknowledge the 2000s. I think the 2000s had an alternative vibe that most people don't like, combined with the highly commercialized culture and certain cultural hangovers like homophobia and sexism, that seemed to take place. The internet perhaps also amplified the "good old days".


No one really likes the 2000s because it was the decade of 9/11, emo, crap rap and pop music that seemed far more derivative and formulaic than earlier iterations, and because everyone can have a phone or computer for almost free and use it anywhere and any time compared to the past.

I think people prefer the 2010s because of more acceptance of diversity and the environment and how streaming makes media consumption more convenient, even if they can't keep said content. Gender conforming (good in the eyes of some people) and more "positive" fashion cropped up too. This is despite technology being the norm and some of the awful politics in some cases too.
It's sad no one has any respect for 2000s kids.

It's sad no one has any respect for 2000s kids.


Search up "Is 200X", where X is any number,  and look at the search suggestions that pop up. With the exception of 2000 and 2001 borns (The last true 2000s kids) all other 2000s borns (2010s kids) want to be 2000s kids pretty badly. I don't blame them.

Search up "Is 200X", where X is any number,  and look at the search suggestions that pop up. With the exception of 2000 and 2001 borns (The last true 2000s kids) all other 2000s borns (2010s kids) want to be 2000s kids pretty badly. I don't blame them.
I notice Generation Z kids seem to love the 2000s. However, millennials who came age during the 2000s, don't want to acknowledge the decade. And then you have a lot of 90s babies who call themselves 90s kids, because they were constantly being harassed for being 2000s kids.

I notice Generation Z kids seem to love the 2000s. However, millennials who came age during the 2000s, don't want to acknowledge the decade. And then you have a lot of 90s babies who call themselves 90s kids, because they were constantly being harassed for being 2000s kids.



This is true I believe. However, I am someone who thinks Gen Z kids have a wrong idea of the 2000s (calling stuff that wasn't from the early 2000s "from the early 2000s"), and I am technically a 90s baby too (turned 3 in late 2000).

I notice Generation Z kids seem to love the 2000s. However, millennials who came age during the 2000s, don't want to acknowledge the decade. And then you have a lot of 90s babies who call themselves 90s kids, because they were constantly being harassed for being 2000s kids.


Isn't it fitting that the ones who are most proud of the 2000s are the ones who can barely remember it? :P

I am a 2000s kid but I'm not rah rah about it. I don't want to repeat the same online mistakes of the '90s kids. But I'm afraid the late 2000s kids are starting to gatekeep (as if there is a huge difference in being a kid in 2009 and 2010). I actually think being a kid in the 2010s is great, the animation was spectacular and the music was better too (although a bit same-sounding throughout)

I notice Generation Z kids seem to love the 2000s. However, millennials who came age during the 2000s, don't want to acknowledge the decade. And then you have a lot of 90s babies who call themselves 90s kids, because they were constantly being harassed for being 2000s kids.

I see love for the 2000s from 2000s kids/teens. The internet is not always a reflection of real life, they are even at times different worlds lol.

I do not hate the 2000s. The 2000s was an amazing time. Early 2000s for me as a kid was really awesome it is sad kids today miss out on a great time to grow up. Everything was simple easy going, slower paced. A lot better than the constant fast space today and everything is boring now...Whereas in the early 2000s you always had something fresh come out.

I see love for the 2000s from 2000s kids/teens. The internet is not always a reflection of real life, they are even at times different worlds lol.


Yes, IRL I notice a lot of love for 2000s music like Usher, Kanye West, Akon, Eminem etc. but over here I tend to hear more about emo which I hear nobody caring about IRL. It's just like the real 2000s ;D

This is true I believe. However, I am someone who thinks Gen Z kids have a wrong idea of the 2000s (calling stuff that wasn't from the early 2000s "from the early 2000s"), and I am technically a 90s baby too (turned 3 in late 2000).

The thing that irritates me is how 90s kids gatekeep the cartoons and shows from 2000-2004. Whenever people talk about about 2000s kid culture, it's always things that were popular from 2006-2012. That stuff came out when my childhood was already over.

Isn't it fitting that the ones who are most proud of the 2000s are the ones who can barely remember it? :P

I am a 2000s kid but I'm not rah rah about it. I don't want to repeat the same online mistakes of the '90s kids. But I'm afraid the late 2000s kids are starting to gatekeep (as if there is a huge difference in being a kid in 2009 and 2010). I actually think being a kid in the 2010s is great, the animation was spectacular and the music was better too (although a bit same-sounding throughout)

Cartoons were still good from 2000-2004 and honestly music started going downhill in the 90s.

I do not hate the 2000s. The 2000s was an amazing time. Early 2000s for me as a kid was really awesome it is sad kids today miss out on a great time to grow up. Everything was simple easy going, slower paced. A lot better than the constant fast space today and everything is boring now...Whereas in the early 2000s you always had something fresh come out.

2000-2004 was great, but people seem to only acknowledge the second half of the decade. I notice the 90s gets all the credit for the early 2000s and it's really infuriating.

2000-2004 was great, but people seem to only acknowledge the second half of the decade. I notice the 90s gets all the credit for the early 2000s and it's really infuriating.
I feel like it's only the first half that gets credit and the second is often ignored.

I feel like it's only the first half that gets credit and the second is often ignored.
I guess it depends on who you talk to, but I notice people are always saying 2000s kids are the first generation to use smartphones and social media during their childhood. However, those things didn't really become a thing until the late 2000s. MySpace is the only site I remember people using during the mid 2000s.

Also, whenever people talk about 2000s kid culture they always talk about Hannah Montana, ICarly, Chowder, High School Musical, Miley Cyrus, Selena, and Demi. I never see people mention Lizzie McGuire, Even Stevens or the Silver Age of Nickelodeon and Cartoon Network. I also hate how people never acknowledge that the Powerpuff Girls and Ed Edd & Eddy were cartoons in the 2000s just because they came out during the late 90s.

Isn't it fitting that the ones who are most proud of the 2000s are the ones who can barely remember it? :P

I am a 2000s kid but I'm not rah rah about it. I don't want to repeat the same online mistakes of the '90s kids. But I'm afraid the late 2000s kids are starting to gatekeep (as if there is a huge difference in being a kid in 2009 and 2010). I actually think being a kid in the 2010s is great, the animation was spectacular and the music was better too (although a bit same-sounding throughout)

I remember it clearly and I am proud of the 2000s and think it is way superior to the 2010s in every way imaginable.

I guess it depends on who you talk to, but I notice people are always saying 2000s kids are the first generation to use smartphones and social media during their childhood. However, those things didn't really become a thing until the late 2000s. MySpace is the only site I remember people using during the mid 2000s.

Also, whenever people talk about 2000s kid culture they always talk about Hannah Montana, ICarly, Chowder, High School Musical, Miley Cyrus, Selena, and Demi. I never see people mention Lizzie McGuire, Even Stevens or the Silver Age of Nickelodeon and Cartoon Network. I also hate how people never acknowledge that the Powerpuff Girls and Ed Edd & Eddy were cartoons in the 2000s just because they came out during the late 90s.

Yes I am not talking about late 2000s I don't care about that. But early and mid 2000s were amazing and I will always be nostalgic for it and think those eras were awesome. The first era I really remember quite well was the Y2K era, it was the bomb. Feels old and retro like a long time ago now but I remember it well and it was awesome.

2000-2004 was great, but people seem to only acknowledge the second half of the decade. I notice the 90s gets all the credit for the early 2000s and it's really infuriating.

That's annoying. Real and true 2000s kids know the real 2000s were from 2000-2004, that's the true 2000s identity. We can add 2005 in there too as that year was still pretty bomb.

That's annoying. Real and true 2000s kids know the real 2000s were from 2000-2004, that's the true 2000s identity. We can add 2005 in there too as that year was still pretty bomb.


I used to hate 2004 but I've warmed up to it. I think it might be my favourite year in music. 2005 though... no. Never. ;D

I used to hate 2004 but I've warmed up to it. I think it might be my favourite year in music.

Glad to see you're coming to your senses!  :D

They do, but only regarding politics of that time, which, of course, was disastrous. Besides that, the majority of pop culture was fantastic. I appreciated how everything was different back compared to now. I hope that returns in the next decade.


Yes, IRL, I notice a lot of love for 2000s music like Usher, Kanye West, Akon, Eminem, etc. but over here, I tend to hear more about emo, which I hear nobody caring about IRL. It's just like the real 2000s ;D
Yes! This was the popular music of that era. Not the emo stuff that some people keep pulling out of their mind.

Don't get me wrong. I did hear some of the Emo songs during that time, but they weren't as popular as the tracks from Eminem, Usher, Mariah Carey, Gwen Stefani, Ludacris, etc.


That's annoying. Real and true 2000s kids know the real 2000s were from 2000-2004, that's the true 2000s identity. We can add 2005 in there too as that year was still pretty bomb.
The 2005-09 period was just as the 00s as the first half. There were a ton of details that didn't carry over to the 10s.

They do, but only regarding politics of that time, which, of course, was disastrous. Besides that, the majority of pop culture was fantastic. I appreciated how everything was different back compared to now. I hope that returns in the next decade.
Yes! This was the popular music of that era. Not the emo stuff that some people keep pulling out of their mind.

Don't get me wrong. I did hear some of the Emo songs during that time, but they weren't as popular as the tracks from Eminem, Usher, Mariah Carey, Gwen Stefani, Ludacris, etc.
The 2005-09 period was just as the 00s as the first half. There were a ton of details that didn't carry over to the 10s.

I think the late 2000s were too different and it really was a precursor to the next decade. Not the next decade itself culturally but the things that got set up paved the way for the next decade. While the true unadulterated 2000s identity was 2000 - 2005, and there were zero '90s stuff then I hate when people say that too. '90s culture ended in 1998.

The thing that irritates me is how 90s kids gatekeep the cartoons and shows from 2000-2004. Whenever people talk about about 2000s kid culture, it's always things that were popular from 2006-2012. That stuff came out when my childhood was already over.

There was a brief window in 2015-2018 where early 2000s nostalgia was popular online, but it's over now.

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Now in 2018-2019, the internet is on to late 2000s-early 2010s nostalgia.

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Feels weird to me, though I'm sure it felt equally weird to people who have early-mid 90s nostalgia when those with late 90s-early 00s nostalgia started overflooding them. Lol

Yeah, the nostalgia wave seems to have skipped a generation of kids. Bit annoying for those of us who were kids during the Mid 2000s.

There was a brief window in 2015-2018 where early 2000s nostalgia was popular online, but it's over now.

Now in 2018-2019, the internet is on to late 2000s-early 2010s nostalgia.

Feels weird to me, though I'm sure it felt equally weird to people who have early 90s nostalgia when those with late 90s-early 00s nostalgia started overflooding them. Lol

What happened with the mid 2000s?  ???

Yeah, the nostalgia wave seems to have skipped a generation of kids. Bit annoying for those of us who were kids during the Mid 2000s.

I appreciate the mid 2000s as well. I was an older kid than you in the mid 2000s, but I still very much enjoyed that era at least until '06. 2004 was especially "kick a**".

What happened with the mid 2000s?  ???

It either got roped in with the early 2000s nostalgia, or is currently being roped in with the late 2000s nostalgia.

If we're skipping mid-2000s nostalgia then my prayers have been answered. There is a God after all.

I loved the mid 00s

The mid 2000s were a great time. Honestly the first half of the 2000s including 2005 was really great overall from start to finish. It was the last time everything didn't suck.

The mid 2000s were a great time. Honestly the first half of the 2000s including 2005 was really great overall from start to finish. It was the last time everything didn't suck.


Is it just me or did the early to mid 2000’s especially 2002-2005 just have a laid back chill kind of vibe ? Like summer of 2004 and 2005 just feel so simple. I may be biased since I was a kid back then but when I listen to songs by Gwen Stefani such as Hollaback girl it just reminds me of summer 2005 and going camping with my cousins and family. The world was so different back then. I wished that we glorified that time period more. The aesthetics and cultural identity from 1999-2005 was bomb !

Is it just me or did the early to mid 2000’s especially 2002-2005 just have a laid back chill kind of vibe ? Like summer of 2004 and 2005 just feel so simple. I may be biased since I was a kid back then but when I listen to songs by Gwen Stefani such as Hollaback girl it just reminds me of summer 2005 and going camping with my cousins and family. The world was so different back then. I wished that we glorified that time period more. The aesthetics and cultural identity from 1999-2005 was bomb !

Yes it was very simple and laid back. It was the last time things were laid back. We have never returned to such a chill and laid back kind of vibe as then and I doubt we ever will. That's what the true 2000s were but so many people sadly say it was an extension of the '90s which is just so wrong. The vibe was so unique, you had new technology but it didn't take over yet and wasn't constantly in your face yet. Nothing like the 1990s and nothing like the 2010s either. It was simply true 2000s culture (which often gets ignored now unfortunately). And I am speaking of the year 2000 and 2001 when I say this as well.

Is it just me or did the early to mid 2000’s especially 2002-2005 just have a laid back chill kind of vibe ? Like summer of 2004 and 2005 just feel so simple. I may be biased since I was a kid back then but when I listen to songs by Gwen Stefani such as Hollaback girl it just reminds me of summer 2005 and going camping with my cousins and family. The world was so different back then. I wished that we glorified that time period more. The aesthetics and cultural identity from 1999-2005 was bomb !


Yes, it was because you were a kid. Not to invalidate your experiences but whether the year was laid back/chill is very subjective. There was a poster who said the late 2010s were chill until Trump got impeached. I disagree with him but just goes to show how much subjective experience matters.

Yes it was very simple and laid back. It was the last time things were laid back. We have never returned to such a chill and laid back kind of vibe as then and I doubt we ever will. That's what the true 2000s were but so many people sadly say it was an extension of the '90s which is just so wrong. The vibe was so unique, you had new technology but it didn't take over yet and wasn't constantly in your face yet. Nothing like the 1990s and nothing like the 2010s either. It was simply true 2000s culture (which often gets ignored now unfortunately). And I am speaking of the year 2000 and 2001 when I say this as well.


What is your definition of technology being "constantly in your face"? In 2005 I remember my school mandating students bring laptops to school, cafés started installing WiFi, social media exploded in popularity, everyone had a digital cable subscription, music piracy took off and CD sales plunetted, VHS was dead and buried, PSP and DS (video game systems) came WiFi enabled, children started carrying cellphones and debit cards when even most adults didn't have those in 2001 etc. It was a lot more high tech compared to the early 2000s.

Yes, it was because you were a kid. Not to invalidate your experiences but whether the year was laid back/chill is very subjective. There was a poster who said the late 2010s were chill until Trump got impeached. I disagree with him but just goes to show how much subjective experience matters.

Some of it is objective... Not having smartphones and social media around (besides MySpace) does cause a more laid back back vibe.

What is your definition of technology being "constantly in your face"? In 2005 I remember my school mandating students bring laptops to school, cafés started installing WiFi, social media exploded in popularity, everyone had a digital cable subscription, music piracy took off and CD sales plunetted, VHS was dead and buried, PSP and DS (video game systems) came WiFi enabled, children started carrying cellphones and debit cards when even most adults didn't have those in 2001 etc. It was a lot more high tech compared to the early 2000s.

Not even close. There is way more tech around today it's not even comparable.

^Oops didn't see you were comparing it to 2001. Well duh, obviously there is more new tech around as the years progress. Never denied that. I was comparing it to today and the eras right after and there is a huge difference. Like night and day. 2000-2005 was truly a different time.

^Oops didn't see you were comparing it to 2001. Well duh, obviously there is more new tech around as the years progress. Never denied that. I was comparing it to today and the eras right after and there is a huge difference. Like night and day. 2000-2005 was truly a different time.


I was just wondering what your tipping point was for too much tech. But I think I got my answer in your post about smartphones/social media.

I don't understand why Slim thinks 2005 is early 2000s. I remember most early 2000s influences ending by mid-2004.

Also the late 2006 shift is exaggerated (I promoted it, but feel foolish now for doing so).

I don't understand why Slim thinks 2005 is early 2000s. I remember most early 2000s influences ending by mid-2004.

Also the late 2006 shift is exaggerated (I promoted it, but feel foolish now for doing so).

What the heck... When did I say 2005 was early 2000s?  ??? ??? I'm one of the rare people on here who think 2003 was predominantly mid 2000s... The early 2000s ended in 2003. When the heck did I ever say 2005 was early 2000s? That statement is so wrong and I would come against that if anyone ever were to say that...

I am a fan of both the early 2000s and the mid 2000s. Is that why you got confused? I think both eras were a kick a** time, that was my entire point only. I am simply saying the true 2000s were before 2006 in my opinion. Never ever would I say they were all the early 2000s and that 2003 - 2005 was in any way a part of early 2000s culture. Definitely a different cultural era, it was mid 2000s not at all early 2000s. I was simply explaining both eras were still part of the true 2000s culture to me unlike the late 2000s which I do not believe were the true 2000s culture anymore with new tech advancements around 2006.

What is your definition of technology being "constantly in your face"? In 2005 I remember my school mandating students bring laptops to school, cafés started installing WiFi, social media exploded in popularity, everyone had a digital cable subscription, music piracy took off and CD sales plunetted, VHS was dead and buried, PSP and DS (video game systems) came WiFi enabled, children started carrying cellphones and debit cards when even most adults didn't have those in 2001 etc. It was a lot more high tech compared to the early 2000s.

I thinkn that's definitely your experience as a Canadian, especially the part about children carrying cellphones and debit cards. This wasn't the case in the states. I still don't see children carrying debit cards even today.

But I did point out to someone earlier that technology was still pretty prevalent in 2005. Of course not as much as today but there was still that stereotype of young people being too much into texting and other stuff. Back then you had to have 60 different gadgets to do all the things we can do on one cellphone now (A computer for the internet, a game console for gaming, a cellphone for texting, a portable game console if you wanted to travel, discman/mp3 player/boombox for music etc, etc, etc).

As far as being laid back. I get that vibe from the early 2000s to 2004 as well. That's why it's one of my favorite eras. The music and fashion is what made it seem laid back.

I thinkn that's definitely your experience as a Canadian, especially the part about children carrying cellphones and debit cards. This wasn't the case in the states. I still don't see children carrying debit cards even today.

But I did point out to someone earlier that technology was still pretty prevalent in 2005. Of course not as much as today but there was still that stereotype of young people being too much into texting and other stuff. Back then you had to have 60 different gadgets to do all the things we can do on one cellphone now (A computer for the internet, a game console for gaming, a cellphone for texting, a portable game console if you wanted to travel, discman/mp3 player/boombox for music etc, etc, etc).

As far as being laid back. I get that vibe from the early 2000s to 2004 as well. That's why it's one of my favorite eras. The music and fashion is what made it seem laid back.

Slowpoke is right. I am a Canadian and that is true we had all those things. But I obviously wasn't talking about that and it was still way different compared to today.

Obviously there was still technological gadgets around then. In 2005 my nieghbour kept showing off his new IPod nano and wouldn't stop talking about it. IPods were popular in '05, big whoop. We live in a time now where we have a computer with internet in our pocket and technology all around us where less people are socializing in person. This was not the same case in 2005.

Not even close. There is way more tech around today it's not even comparable.


And they're always coming out with something new each year.

Yes, it was because you were a kid. Not to invalidate your experiences but whether the year was laid back/chill is very subjective. There was a poster who said the late 2010s were chill until Trump got impeached. I disagree with him but just goes to show how much subjective experience matters.


I mean in terms of culture, movies, and music. Things were really laid back and the aesthetic of the early to mid 2000’s were “super kawaii” lmao. I mean yes the politics after 9/11 and for most of the decade was very hectic and dark but as far as culture goes, it was a pretty chill time. A lot of the upcoming artist today talk so much about being depressed (Billie Eilish, XXXtentacion, Mac Miller, etc). The aesthetic of today’s culture is very dark compared to the early-mid 2000’s.

Yes it was very simple and laid back. It was the last time things were laid back. We have never returned to such a chill and laid back kind of vibe as then and I doubt we ever will. That's what the true 2000s were but so many people sadly say it was an extension of the '90s which is just so wrong. The vibe was so unique, you had new technology but it didn't take over yet and wasn't constantly in your face yet. Nothing like the 1990s and nothing like the 2010s either. It was simply true 2000s culture (which often gets ignored now unfortunately). And I am speaking of the year 2000 and 2001 when I say this as well.


I agree, I remember 2000-2001 was a really fun laid back time too at least from a little kids perspective. I mainly didn’t include 2001 because of 9/11 but 2001 was a super fun and laid back year besides that tragedy. I mean I was a little kid but I remember most of the year. I was in Pre Kinder back in 2001 and I remember the music, toys and the feeling of that era, especially the summer of 2001 when I went to LA with my cousins and we all drove to Disneyland. It was a kickback time, no worries just simple living.

I agree, I remember 2000-2001 was a really fun laid back time too at least from a little kids perspective. I mainly didn’t include 2001 because of 9/11 but 2001 was a super fun and laid back year besides that tragedy. I mean I was a little kid but I remember most of the year. I was in Pre Kinder back in 2001 and I remember the music, toys and the feeling of that era, especially the summer of 2001 when I went to LA with my cousins and we all drove to Disneyland. It was a kickback time, no worries just simple living.

Yeah and things felt a lot more real and genuine. These days people try to put on a facade and are overly politically correct so everything feels fake. Like it feels like people are zombies to whatever agenda they wanna throw whereas before people were free thinkers. That's one of the reason parody culture is no more, everyone got so sensitive. Feels like we are in a weird fascist sort of time given all these new copyright laws and limitations to freedom of speech.

Yeah and things felt a lot more real and genuine. These days people try to put on a facade and are overly politically correct so everything feels fake. Like it feels like people are zombies to whatever agenda they wanna throw whereas before people were free thinkers. That's one of the reason parody culture is no more, everyone got so sensitive. Feels like we are in a weird fascist sort of time given all these new copyright laws and limitations to freedom of speech.

I see politically correct individuals either exploiting copyright law or not really opposing capitalism enough for the reason with it. But other than that, it's because they've identified a lot of mindsets as being inherently hateful or otherwise demeaning to certain groups of people. For instance, take Trump's recent (I think) comment regarding the Founding Fathers' role in establishing the US.