While some people have told me that this isn't really happening anymore, I recently came across someone who was born in 1997. He told me that he is similar to those born in 1993, but he can't relate to those born in 2000 and said they had the same life experiences as someone born in 2005.

Plus many people i've seen on Reddit have put 2000 borns in with 2004 borns, even though they are quite different from each other.

While I think the 1st guy was a troll (saw him on PersonalityCafe) i've come across many posts that do stuff like this, group those born in 1999 in with 1995 babies and 2000 in with 2004 instead. Any thoughts?

Firstly, can you please explain what 'gatekept' is?

When you block anyone from being able to enjoy something, even if it's something they could remember

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fl5SbA-jzoc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fl5SbA-jzoc


Wow, you must be pleasant to be around.

If it's a late 90s baby acting snobbish against an early 00s baby, then I completely understand where you are coming from. But late 90s babies and mid-late 00s babies are in two different generations (arguably), had two completely different upbringings, and are in two completely different life stages.

If it's a late 90s baby acting snobbish against an early 00s baby, then I completely understand where you are coming from. But late 90s babies and mid-late 00s babies are in two different generations (arguably), had two completely different upbringings, and are in two completely different life stages.


Well yeah, but the oldest late 90s baby is only 3 years older than a 2000 baby. And I wasn't even talking about mid-2000s babies, of course they're a different breed.

Well yeah, but the oldest late 90s baby is only 3 years older than a 2000 baby. And I wasn't even talking about mid-2000s babies, of course they're a different breed.


Well not to be 'that guy', but you'd definitely be able to remove the confusion if you just narrowed it down to simply 'early 2000s' babies, instead of all '2000s babies'. Cause no offense, it just comes off a bit petty. I don't think it is fair to lump someone born in 1997 & someone born in 2005 and pass it off as one, they seemed to had grown up in two completely different worlds.

Well not to be 'that guy', but you'd definitely be able to remove the confusion if you just narrowed it down to simply 'early 2000s' babies, instead of all '2000s babies'. Cause no offense, it just comes off a bit petty. I don't think it is fair to lump someone born in 1997 & someone born in 2005 and pass it off as one, they seemed to had grown up in two completely different worlds.


That's what I was saying. They both grew up in two different worlds. One, the 1997 born, grew up when social media wasn't as big and when YouTube was just getting popular or not even a thing, and when HDTV was still uncommon, while the 2005 born grew up in a time when social media was very big and when most people had stopped using flip phones. It's an 8 year gap, of course it's gonna be huge.

There is a huge difference between someone born in 1996 and 2002, and the same goes with those born in 2002 and 2008.

That's what I was saying. They both grew up in two different worlds. One, the 1997 born, grew up when social media wasn't as big and when YouTube was just getting popular or not even a thing, and when HDTV was still uncommon, while the 2005 born grew up in a time when social media was very big and when most people had stopped using flip phones. It's an 8 year gap, of course it's gonna be huge.

There is a huge difference between someone born in 1996 and 2002, and the same goes with those born in 2002 and 2008.


I agree. So what exactly are you arguing then? ???

I agree. So what exactly are you arguing then? ???


But I never was. You said that mid-2000s babies had different childhoods, and you acted like I said 90s babies relate to mid-2000s babies.

I still think there's a stigma of people considering themselves as anything but early 2000s if they happened to be born in the late 90s. I've heard someone mention Skins was an early 2000s show (wrong!), but I guess people prefer to say it than 2000s, because the 2000s still seems like crap to many people. I think it's because of how emo and iPhones came to be as we know them almost then.

If it's a late 90s baby acting snobbish against an early 00s baby, then I completely understand where you are coming from. But late 90s babies and mid-late 00s babies are in two different generations (arguably), had two completely different upbringings, and are in two completely different life stages.

Yes, I agree. I'd say the similarities with us end at 1997 maybe 1998. But 1999 and after I find completely different like I'm talking to another generation even if they are only 4 years younger than me. And like I have more in common with someone who is 6 or 7 years older than me than them. Technically they are still part of Gen Y though because Gen Z starts in 2000, but that's a whole other topic. I'm just talking about how I feel like upbringing and general differences.

I still think there's a stigma of people considering themselves as anything but early 2000s if they happened to be born in the late 90s. I've heard someone mention Skins was an early 2000s show (wrong!), but I guess people prefer to say it than 2000s, because the 2000s still seems like crap to many people. I think it's because of how emo and iPhones came to be as we know them almost then.

Those of us who are born in 1995 are always seen as awkward by other people and I don't know why, but whatever.  :P

Yes, I agree. I'd say the similarities with us end at 1997 maybe 1998. But 1999 and after I find completely different like I'm talking to another generation even if they are only 4 years younger than me. And like I have more in common with someone who is 6 or 7 years older than me than them. Technically they are still part of Gen Y though because Gen Z starts in 2000, but that's a whole other topic. I'm just talking about how I feel like upbringing and general differences.


Honestly, I can't relate to those born in 2006. I'd say my age group is 1999-2005.

I was born in 1997 and I notice little differences between me and people born in 2000 but they are so subtle and arbitrary. I’ll kind of explain my gist of things more fairly and rationally. First the 2000’s as a whole was a decade that kind of brought about technology and social media platforms  at such a fast rate. Internet grew faster than ever before as well. Those born in the mid to late 90’s were able to see these changes throughout their childhood in such a short period of time. This is kind of why I feel like generations will become shorter and shorter as time goes on since technology is growing and rapidly increasing.

As someone who was born in 1997, we entered childhood and started preschool during the turn of the millennium and started elementary during the 9/11 era in 2002 and the start if the Iraq war. We witnessed so much change in our little lifetime that some people born in 2000 wouldn’t have yet been cognizant for. Again these changes are subtle and barely noticeable. We grew up with dial up Internet for half of our childhood and then broadband, youtube, myspace, etc during the second half.  We were in 5th grade going into middle school when the iPhone was released where as those born in 2000 were 7 years old. I was 7 in 2004 and the hottest phone of that time was the Motorola razor, not to mention that many people still used pagers in 2003/2004. Compare that to 2007/2008 and you’d see a major shift in technology in which was brought on by the mid 2000’s.

I feel like I share equal commonalities with people born in 1993 and 2000.

I was born in 1997 and I notice little differences between me and people born in 2000 but they are so subtle and arbitrary. I’ll kind of explain my gist of things more fairly and rationally. First the 2000’s as a whole was a decade that kind of brought about technology and social media platforms  at such a fast rate. Internet grew faster than ever before as well. Those born in the mid to late 90’s were able to see these changes throughout their childhood in such a short period of time. This is kind of why I feel like generations will become shorter and shorter as time goes on since technology is growing and rapidly increasing.

As someone who was born in 1997, we entered childhood and started preschool during the turn of the millennium and started elementary during the 9/11 era in 2002 and the start if the Iraq war. We witnessed so much change in our little lifetime that some people born in 2000 wouldn’t have yet been cognizant for. Again these changes are subtle and barely noticeable. We grew up with dial up Internet for half of our childhood and then broadband, youtube, myspace, etc during the second half.  We were in 5th grade going into middle school when the iPhone was released where as those born in 2000 were 7 years old. I was 7 in 2004 and the hottest phone of that time was the Motorola razor, not to mention that many people still used pagers in 2003/2004. Compare that to 2007/2008 and you’d see a major shift in technology in which was brought on by the mid 2000’s.

I feel like I share equal commonalities with people born in 1993 and 2000.


I feel like I have seen you on Personality Cafe. I may be wrong, though.

One user there said 2000-2005 babies all had the same life experiences.

I feel like I have seen you on Personality Cafe. I may be wrong, though.

One user there said 2000-2005 babies all had the same life experiences.


Oh no I only use reddit and I just signed up for this because I was referred to by a reddit friend. Mainly post on millennial and gen z sub when I talk about culture. I believe people born in 2000 will differ from 2005 a bit, that’s like a 5 year stretch. Like seriously by the time the Wii or iPhone came out 2005 kids (babies ?) were like 1 or 2 years old. Of course they’re some differences there.

I’m just accentuating the little arbitrary differences from a general/ generational stand point. If generations are shared experiences I feel like 1997ers would have more in common with mid 90’s babies as they were all children at some point during Clinton’s last term and spent all of their primary  school years in Bush’s term. We were all in our adolescence, either middle school or high school when Obama was elected in 2008 and the recession went global in September of that year. Early 2000’s babies were still in their early childhoods when a lot of this stuff took place and were probably to you g to understand the Geopolitics of the recession or even care as they were to busy enjoying childhood.

Oh no I only use reddit and I just signed up for this because I was referred to by a reddit friend. Mainly post on millennial and gen z sub when I talk about culture. I believe people born in 2000 will differ from 2005 a bit, that’s like a 5 year stretch. Like seriously by the time the Wii or iPhone came out 2005 kids (babies ?) were like 1 or 2 years old. Of course they’re some differences there.

I’m just accentuating the little arbitrary differences from a general/ generational stand point. If generations are shared experiences I feel like 1997ers would have more in common with mid 90’s babies as they were all children at some point during Clinton’s last term and spent all of their primary  school years in Bush’s term. We were all in our adolescence, either middle school or high school when Obama was elected in 2008 and the recession went global in September of that year. Early 2000’s babies were still in their early childhoods when a lot of this stuff took place and were probably to you g to understand the Geopolitics of the recession or even care as they were to busy enjoying childhood.


Honestly 2000 babies have more in common with 1997 babies than 2004-2005 babies, even if you could say the same about 1997 babies to 1995 babies and 2000 babies.

Honestly 2000 babies have more in common with 1997 babies than 2004-2005 babies, even if you could say the same about 1997 babies to 1995 babies and 2000 babies.


For me all of my friends were born from 1993-1998 so that’s generally who I consider my main age group. As far as politics and pop culture we relate a lot. I’m pretty sure I would relate to those born in 2000 as well. Me and someone born in 1993 are at similar points in our lives. We’ve both graduated college, in the work force, or getting MA degrees. Someone born in 2000 is a sophomore in college right now but in 3 more years they’ll be were I’m at right now. You guys were shaped by Donald Trump’s election, The mass shootings, gun control laws, etc. where as I graduated before LGBT marriage was even legalized and during Obamas second term so like I said they’re minor differences that start to shift around those born in the very late 90’s and early 2000’s

2000 borns are more like late 90s borns. A 2000 born would spend most of their childhood in the late 00s while enter their preteens in the early 10s. 97 borns can relate to a 00 born just like they can relate to a 94 born because a 97 born are perfect 00s kids, meaning they childhood was in the entity of the 00s.

I was born in 1997 and I notice little differences between me and people born in 2000 but they are so subtle and arbitrary. I’ll kind of explain my gist of things more fairly and rationally. First the 2000’s as a whole was a decade that kind of brought about technology and social media platforms  at such a fast rate. Internet grew faster than ever before as well. Those born in the mid to late 90’s were able to see these changes throughout their childhood in such a short period of time. This is kind of why I feel like generations will become shorter and shorter as time goes on since technology is growing and rapidly increasing.

As someone who was born in 1997, we entered childhood and started preschool during the turn of the millennium and started elementary during the 9/11 era in 2002 and the start if the Iraq war. We witnessed so much change in our little lifetime that some people born in 2000 wouldn’t have yet been cognizant for. Again these changes are subtle and barely noticeable. We grew up with dial up Internet for half of our childhood and then broadband, youtube, myspace, etc during the second half.  We were in 5th grade going into middle school when the iPhone was released where as those born in 2000 were 7 years old. I was 7 in 2004 and the hottest phone of that time was the Motorola razor, not to mention that many people still used pagers in 2003/2004. Compare that to 2007/2008 and you’d see a major shift in technology in which was brought on by the mid 2000’s.

I feel like I share equal commonalities with people born in 1993 and 2000.


I think for the most part 1997 are a lot closer to 2000 than 1993. Kids born in 1993 might actually remember a small part the 90s and they remember the early 2000s vividly, but someone born in 1997 won’t be able to remember the 90s at all, they are one of the earliest to have an entirely 21st century consciousness. I think that is a pretty good way of defining Gen Z.

When it comes to childhood use of internet, 1997 is closer to 2000 again. Broadband was mainstream by 2001 and by 2003, it had completely eclipsed dual-up. With that being said, dial-up’s death was a lot slower than thought, especially in poorer/older households, many still would hold on to it til the late 2000s. This means that a people born in 1996-2001 might remember dial-up too, but the bulk of their youth was in a post-dial up world.

An underrated difference between 1997 and 1993 is ‘97 liners were on YouTube  during their core childhood, but ‘93 liners were already teenagers by the time youtube took off. 1993 actively used MySpace but i think most 1997 were far too young for it, bar a few adventurous kids. At that time most 97 kids were occupied with the release of the Nintendo DS, Wii, Club Penguin, etc. The first Social media 1997 would use is Youtube/Facebook imo

96/early 97 babies started elementary in 2002, mid-late 97 babies wouldn’t start until around 2003.

I would list a few differences between 2000 and 1997 but you listed most of them lol

I think for the most part 1997 are a lot closer to 2000 than 1993. Kids born in 1993 might actually remember a small part the 90s and they remember the early 2000s vividly, but someone born in 1997 won’t be able to remember the 90s at all, they are one of the earliest to have an entirely 21st century consciousness. I think that is a pretty good way of defining Gen Z.

When it comes to childhood use of internet, 1997 is closer to 2000 again. Broadband was mainstream by 2001 and by 2003, it had completely eclipsed dual-up. With that being said, dial-up’s death was a lot slower than thought, especially in poorer/older households, many still would hold on to it til the late 2000s. This means that a people born in 1996-2001 might remember dial-up too, but the bulk of their youth was in a post-dial up world.

An underrated difference between 1997 and 1993 is ‘97 liners were on YouTube  during their core childhood, but ‘93 liners were already teenagers by the time youtube took off. 1993 actively used MySpace but i think most 1997 were far too young for it, bar a few adventurous kids. At that time most 97 kids were occupied with the release of the Nintendo DS, Wii, Club Penguin, etc. The first Social media 1997 would use is Youtube/Facebook imo

96/early 97 babies started elementary in 2002, mid-late 97 babies wouldn’t start until around 2003.

I would list a few differences between 2000 and 1997 but you listed most of them lol


There’s some incorrect information you’re providing here. First off, let me just address the elephant in the room that 97ers are obviously closer in age and relation to 2000 babies than 1993 babies. 93’ & 97’ are a 4 year age gap, while 97’ & 00’ are a 3 year age gap. So I agree with you on that aspect, that it’s silly for a 97er to act snobbish to a 00’ baby, but then try to pass off as more similar to 93’ baby.

Culturally though, I can empathize with why a 97er May feel more in the middle of things, rather than slightly leaning towards one or the other, regardless of mathematical differences. Like @DisneyRetro said, but the 2000s were a relatively fast-moving decade; culturally, technologically, politically, spiritually. A 93er’s relation to the 2000s decade is going to be considerably different to a 97er’s, and the same could be said with a 97er’s experience in comparison to a 00er’s. Yes, 97ers may not remember much (if anything) of the 90s, but they also still have very vivid memories of much of the early 2000s and or the first half of the 2000s decade (pre 2005), something that your average 00’ baby doesn’t really have. The early 2000s in kid culture was a continuation of the late 90s kid culture (Bop Its, Gushers, ‘Pokemania’, Hit Clips, etc.), so a 97er’s childhood (especially it’s first half of childhood) is a lot closer in relation to a 93er than a 00er.

Dial-up hadn't been overtaken by broadband till mid 2004, 97ers we’re already 7 by then, roughly at the half point of their childhoods (3-12). I was born in early 96’, and MySpace was definitely a part of my youth in Middle School, so I wouldn’t expect there to be a significant difference in relation to that popular social media site in just a 1 year age difference. Also, YouTube launched in 2005, once again 97ers spent a significant time of their childhood prior. And even then, the site didn’t really explode in popularity till the late 2000s anyway, when they were in middle school. 00’ babies, on the other hand, were still in their core childhoods when YouTube was exploding in popularity, so they would probably relate more to it in their childhood nostalgia than 97ers would.

Finally, where did you get the idea that most 96ers started school in 2002???. Did you mean Late 96’-97’ started school in 2002, cause that would be accurate. However, even if you lived in a district where the academic calendar enrollment period had a December 31st cutoff, rather than a October 1st cutoff, all 96ers would’ve still started school in 2001, not 2002.

Anyways, I do agree with you on the general gist of your argument, that 97ers acting high and mighty with 00ers is a bit obtuse. However, I just wanted to clarify on some of your main points, as they’re a bit inaccurate. The 2000s were a very fast pace decade. Those that spent most of their childhoods in the first half had a completely different experience from those that spent most of their childhood in the second half. 97ers were the ‘ultimate’ 2000s kids by many metrics (ages 3-12 spent in 2000-2009 in its entirety), so it adds more to their confusion, hence why I emphasize with it.

Anyways I made a thread on PersonalityCafe a few years back discussing this particular issue of generational relations for people born in the mid-late 90s and early 00s, the supposed cusp of Gen Y and Gen Z (I like the term, ‘Zillennial’ ;D):

https://www.personalitycafe.com/generation-z-forum/895994-between-generation-y-generation-z-take-test-youll-see.html

This is especially true for Late 90s babies. Look at the responses and poll results, and you’ll see exactly what I mean. If you have any concerns or issues with the terminology or logic, please let me know.

As we get older, all of this will matter less. Pretty soon everyone born in the 20th century will be on the same "team". Old ancient people lol.

While some people have told me that this isn't really happening anymore, I recently came across someone who was born in 1997. He told me that he is similar to those born in 1993, but he can't relate to those born in 2000 and said they had the same life experiences as someone born in 2005.

Plus many people i've seen on Reddit have put 2000 borns in with 2004 borns, even though they are quite different from each other.

While I think the 1st guy was a troll (saw him on PersonalityCafe) i've come across many posts that do stuff like this, group those born in 1999 in with 1995 babies and 2000 in with 2004 instead. Any thoughts?


95-99 should be grouped together since they were born in the second half of the 90s, if you were born in 2000 you are a 00s baby.....sorry

95-99 should be grouped together since they were born in the second half of the 90s, if you were born in 2000 you are a 00s baby.....sorry


Being born in the 00s has nothing to do with relating to late 90s babies. Someone born in 2000 grew up with many of the things that 1998 babies did, even if there are some differences.

95-99 should be grouped together since they were born in the second half of the 90s, if you were born in 2000 you are a 00s baby.....sorry

Nope

Being born in the 00s has nothing to do with relating to late 90s babies. Someone born in 2000 grew up with many of the things that 1998 babies did, even if there are some differences.


yeah but people from 2000 and 2004 are only 4 years apart so its not wrong to group them together

thats how you see the majority of demographists do, they group people in depending on what "half" of the decade they are from

95-99 are always grouped together in academical publications

yeah but people from 2000 and 2004 are only 4 years apart so its not wrong to group them together

thats how you see the majority of demographists do, they group people in depending on what "half" of the decade they are from

95-99 are always grouped together in academical publications


2000 is closer to 1998 than 2004. The 2000 baby would have more in common with the 1998 baby than the 2004 baby.

yeah but people from 2000 and 2004 are only 4 years apart so its not wrong to group them together

thats how you see the majority of demographists do, they group people in depending on what "half" of the decade they are from

95-99 are always grouped together in academical publications


That’s for ease of data collection though, it has nothing to do with cultural similarities.

That’s for ease of data collection though, it has nothing to do with cultural similarities.


2000 and 2004 borns have alot of cultural similarities since theyre only 4 years apart

2000 and 2004 borns have alot of cultural similarities since theyre only 4 years apart

And I’m sure 2000 babies have plenty of cultural similarities with 1996 babies. Which is kind of my point.

People will obviously relate strongly to people closest in age to them.

2000 and 2004 borns have alot of cultural similarities since theyre only 4 years apart


"Only" 4 years apart?

They really don't. 2000 babies have more similarities to 1998 and even 1997 babies than 2004 babies.

I think for the most part 1997 are a lot closer to 2000 than 1993. Kids born in 1993 might actually remember a small part the 90s and they remember the early 2000s vividly, but someone born in 1997 won’t be able to remember the 90s at all, they are one of the earliest to have an entirely 21st century consciousness. I think that is a pretty good way of defining Gen Z.

When it comes to childhood use of internet, 1997 is closer to 2000 again. Broadband was mainstream by 2001 and by 2003, it had completely eclipsed dual-up. With that being said, dial-up’s death was a lot slower than thought, especially in poorer/older households, many still would hold on to it til the late 2000s. This means that a people born in 1996-2001 might remember dial-up too, but the bulk of their youth was in a post-dial up world.

An underrated difference between 1997 and 1993 is ‘97 liners were on YouTube  during their core childhood, but ‘93 liners were already teenagers by the time youtube took off. 1993 actively used MySpace but i think most 1997 were far too young for it, bar a few adventurous kids. At that time most 97 kids were occupied with the release of the Nintendo DS, Wii, Club Penguin, etc. The first Social media 1997 would use is Youtube/Facebook imo

96/early 97 babies started elementary in 2002, mid-late 97 babies wouldn’t start until around 2003.

I would list a few differences between 2000 and 1997 but you listed most of



A lot of this is false and stereotypical in fact what you mentioned doesn’t reside with my childhood in the least. My era was the gameboy advance and gameboy advance sp, Ps2 and gamecube. The Wii and DS came out in my late childhood and became really popular when I was in middle school.

I was in middle school in 2008 and joined myspace  in 2008. It declined in 2010 when I was 13.

Broadband surpassed dial up in 2004 not 2001 btw... if we’re talking about home computers then the statistic for that was in 2001 more than 50% Americans owned a home computer but majority used dial up. Web 1.0 was still common till 2005 after the release of YouTube.

Youtube started in 2005 and was for college students to broadcast their day. Wasn’t until 2006 when Youtube started to gain traction for individual content. I spent more than half of my childhood YouTube free

Club penguin started when I was 9 and by the time it gained a lot if traction I was in 5th grade. My era was more so neopets and Meze on Myspace...

A lot of your info applies to 2000’s babies not 1997 babies. I started childhood and preschool in the 20th century (y2k) which is when my memories started to become more vivid.

A lot of this is false and stereotypical in fact what you mentioned doesn’t reside with my childhood in the least. My era was the gameboy advance and gameboy advance sp, Ps2 and gamecube. The Wii and DS came out in my late childhood and became really popular when I was in middle school.

If you were born in 1997, the Nintendo DS came out when you were 6-7 which no way in hell is "later childhood". The Wii came out in 2005, so 1997 kids would be 7-8 years old. I forgot to mention sixth generation consoles but yes they were popular for most of the 2000s.

I was in middle school in 2008 and joined myspace  in 2008. It declined in 2010 when I was 13.

Broadband surpassed dial up in 2004 not 2001 btw... if we’re talking about home computers then the statistic for that was in 2001 more than 50% Americans owned a home computer but majority used dial up. Web 1.0 was still common till 2005 after the release of YouTube.

Like I said a few outliers means nothing when statically 10/11 year olds simply weren't on Myspace. It's the collective experience that matters, and Myspace was already rapidly declining by the Spring of 2008.

As for broadband vs dial up, going mainstream is not the same as eclipsing, go read that bit again. I meant to type 2004 instead of 2003, but my point still stands.

Youtube started in 2005 and was for college students to broadcast their day. Wasn’t until 2006 when Youtube started to gain traction for individual content. I spent more than half of my childhood YouTube free
YA lot of your info applies to 2000’s babies not 1997 babies. I started childhood and preschool in the 20th century (y2k) which is when my memories started to become more vivid.


But somehow being 3 for a few months in the "20th century" is more significant than spending 4-5 years of childhood growing up on YouTube?

yeah but people from 2000 and 2004 are only 4 years apart so its not wrong to group them together

thats how you see the majority of demographists do, they group people in depending on what "half" of the decade they are from

95-99 are always grouped together in academical publications

Not true at all. If someone can show me this magical difference between 1995 borns and 1994 borns I'd love to see. I'd love to see this imaginary line dividing 1994 and 1995, so strange to me.

Anyways, I do agree with you on the general gist of your argument, that 97ers acting high and mighty with 00ers is a bit obtuse. However, I just wanted to clarify on some of your main points, as they’re a bit inaccurate. The 2000s were a very fast pace decade. Those that spent most of their childhoods in the first half had a completely different experience from those that spent most of their childhood in the second half. 97ers were the ‘ultimate’ 2000s kids by many metrics (ages 3-12 spent in 2000-2009 in its entirety), so it adds more to their confusion, hence why I emphasize with it.


I was on my phone typing on my way to work so I didn't have time to proofread or check dates are any of that lol

If you were born in 1997, the Nintendo DS came out when you were 6-7 which no way in hell is "later childhood". The Wii came out in 2005, so 1997 kids would be 7-8 years old. I forgot to mention sixth generation consoles but yes they were popular for most of the 2000s.

Like I said a few outliers means nothing when statically 10/11 year olds simply weren't on Myspace. It's the collective experience that matters, and Myspace was already rapidly declining by the Spring of 2008.

As for broadband vs dial up, going mainstream is not the same as eclipsing, go read that bit again. I meant to type 2004 instead of 2003, but my point still stands.

But somehow being 3 for a few months in the "20th century" is more significant than spending 4-5 years of childhood growing up on YouTube?


The original DS came out when I was 7 but  the lite came out in 2006 and the Wii came out in 2006 when I was in 4th grade.

As for Myspace, If you look at the statistics Myspace started to rapidly decline in the fall of 2009. Also it is statistically proven that the average kid registers for social media by age 11 (AKA 6th grade) and has been increasing since the late 90’s. The same logic applies to someone born in 1990 registering for AOL back in 2001.

And the only reason I incorporated being 3 for practically half of the year 2000 (not just a few months) is because you said 1997 babies were the first to start their childhood in the 21st century in which I debunked as false, that would have been people born in 1998.

I spent all of my early childhood and even some of my mid childhood when dial up was still commonly used throughout the US nation.

If youtube cane out when I was 8 and didn’t become a source of entertainment until I was 9 or 10 then you are again false about spending 4-5 years of my childhood in that era. I spent my middle school years going on youtube but elementary school was mostly youtube free until about 4th or 5th grade.

This has nothing to do with me relating to a 2000 baby. I was a preteen when most of what you declared as my childhood were integrated into childhood culture. Those born in 2000 were still in their early childhoods.

I was a preteen when most of what you declared as my childhood were integrated into childhood culture. Those born in 2000 were still in their early childhoods.


Uh, when you were a preteen 2000 babies were already 6 years old. You would've gone to high school with them as well, and 2000 babies spent at least half of their K-5 years with 1997 babies (abeit in different grades).

Uh, when you were a preteen 2000 babies were already 6 years old. You would've gone to high school with them as well, and 2000 babies spent at least half of their K-5 years with 1997 babies (abeit in different grades).

Exactly you were in your early childhood (3-8 years old according to most studies) when I was a preteen. I’m not differentiating myself from you but they’re small differences in our childhoods due to cultural and technological shifts throughout the 2000’s.

We were in high school for one year but that has nothing to do with much. I was in high school with 1993/1994 kids (babies?) as well. I lived all of my teen years by the time you were a freshman and became an adult when you were still a freshman. The culture of the early 2010’s was completely different than 2016 onwards in which you would’ve spent your formative teen years in.

You spent two years (kindergarten and first grade) with 1997 babies in elementary school and in two completely different cultures compared to when I started elementary school. Like I said they’re minor differences that don’t really matter at all.

"Only" 4 years apart?

They really don't. 2000 babies have more similarities to 1998 and even 1997 babies than 2004 babies.


LOL 4 year is NOTHING (how old are you really?)

besides what are these "similarities" you are talking about then?........

LOL 4 year is NOTHING (how old are you really?)

besides what are these "similarities" you are talking about then?........


Both are 2000s kids
They were both in elementary and high school with each other at some point
Both were never in elementary school during 9/11
They are mid-2010s teens
Both graduated high school and became adults in the 2010s
They both spent most of their K-5 school years during Bush's time in office
Will be able to vote in the 2020 election
Both were in school before the launch of the iPhone

Not a single one of those things apply to those born in 2004, do they?

Both are 2000s kids
They were both in elementary and high school with each other at some point
Both were never in elementary school during 9/11
They are mid-2010s teens
Both graduated high school and became adults in the 2010s
They both spent most of their K-5 school years during Bush's time in office
Will be able to vote in the 2020 election
Both were in school before the launch of the iPhone

Not a single one of those things apply to those born in 2004, do they?


Of course as a person born in 2000 you will have similarities, but you will also have commonalities with some born in the early 2000’s as well. When it comes to politics and culture you guys will have similarities and differences like everyone else.

The thing with 9/11 is is some people born in 1997 remember it very vividly while others may not as we were all 4 years old on that day. The same can apply to 1998 babies since they were 3 and memories usually become more vivid and retrievable by age 3 but its a 50/50 chance that they will or won’t remember, and even if we did I doubt anyone under 10 was old enough to really understand everything including the geopolitics of that day. Those born in the early 2000’s were either 1, an infant or not even born yet so they wouldn’t remember that day in the least.

If we talk about minor differences (especially generational) there will be minor differences amongst every 3 year age gap that are highly unnoticeable and irrelevant.

Pop culturally, I don’t see 2000 babies being that different from 1997 babies, especially considering 2000 babies remember more than 70% of the 2000’s decade from age 3 in 2003 to age 9 in 2006.

What does being gatekept mean?  ???

Why does any of this even matter?

Why does any of this even matter?

In the end of the day, all of us born in the 20th century will be looked as very old ancient people in the future.

Of course as a person born in 2000 you will have similarities, but you will also have commonalities with some born in the early 2000’s as well. When it comes to politics and culture you guys will have similarities and differences like everyone else.

The thing with 9/11 is is some people born in 1997 remember it very vividly while others may not as we were all 4 years old on that day. The same can apply to 1998 babies since they were 3 and memories usually become more vivid and retrievable by age 3 but its a 50/50 chance that they will or won’t remember, and even if we did I doubt anyone under 10 was old enough to really understand everything including the geopolitics of that day. Those born in the early 2000’s were either 1, and infant or not even born yet so they wouldn’t remember that day in the least.

If we talk about minor differences (especially generational) there will be minor differences amongst every 3 year age gap that are highly unnoticeable and irrelevant.

Pop culturally I don’t see how 2000 babies being different from 1997 babies, especially considering 2000 babies remember more than 70% of the decade from age 3 in 2003 to age 9 in 2006.

this guy knows what hes talking about

In the end of the day, all of us born in the 20th century will be looked as very old ancient people in the future.
Not just the 20th century, everyone will be looked as very old ancient people in the future.

Not just the 20th century, everyone will be looked as very old ancient people in the future.

Haha well think about how those born in the 19th century. They just seem a lot more ancient, this will especially be true for people born in another millennium.

this guy knows what hes talking about

Thank you, like I’m not trying to differentiate myself from someone born in 2000 but due to the technological and cultural shifts in the mid to late 2000’s, there’s gonna be some cultural differences in how we perceived the 2000’s decade, same goes for me and someone born in 1994.

Thank you, like I’m not trying to differentiate myself from someone born in 2000 but due to the technological and cultural shifts in the mid to late 2000’s, there’s gonna be some cultural differences in how we perceived the 2000’s decade, same goes for me and someone born in 1994.

But it's not the same at all though.... There is very little difference between 1994 and 1995. It doesn't work that way. These imaginary lines make no sense at all. How can someone say 1999 is completely different from someone born in 2000? Makes no sense.

But it's not the same at all though.... There is very little difference between 1994 and 1995. It doesn't work that way. These imaginary lines make no sense at all. How can someone say 1999 is completely different from someone born in 2000? Makes no sense.


I think we’re talking about 2 different things here. The OP stated that they relate to 1997 babies while they cannot relate to 2004 babies. Me as a 1997 baby just stated why we may have seen the 2000’s decade in a different way compared to a 2000 baby. The differences are minor but they are there. As for a 1995 and 1994 baby, there’s no difference at all lmao and who ever say there is has a theory of logic that I have never seen before.

I think when most people cut gen y off at 1994 it’s because of the release of win 95, which doesn’t make any sense because even people born as early as 1992 wouldn’t remember a time before the release of win 95.

Not true at all. If someone can show me this magical difference between 1995 borns and 1994 borns I'd love to see. I'd love to see this imaginary line dividing 1994 and 1995, so strange to me.

I was born in 1994 and this is a bunch of bullsheesh. I have plenty in common with people your age. LMFAO people born in 1992 want to act like they have nothing in common with me, even though they are only being 2 years older than me. People always want to act superior even if they're only a few years older than you.  ::)

I think we’re talking about 2 different things here. The OP stated that they relate to 1997 babies while they cannot relate to 2004 babies. Me as a 1997 baby just stated why we may have seen the 2000’s decade in a different way compared to a 2000 baby. The differences are minor but they are there. As for a 1995 and 1994 baby, there’s no difference at all lmao and who ever say there is has a theory of logic that I have never seen before.

I think when most people cut gen y off at 1994 it’s because of the release of win 95, which doesn’t make any sense because even people born as early as 1992 wouldn’t remember a time before the release of win 95.

I feel like they need to come up with a name for younger millennials. Younger baby boomers are called generation Jones. It's awkward being born in 1994, because a lot of millennials want nothing to do with you, if you were born after the early 90s. To all the mid 90s babies out there, we need to stick together. ❤︎

LMFAO people born in 1992 want to act like they have nothing in common with me, even though they are only being 2 years older than me. People always want to act superior even if they're only a few years older than you.  ::)


The reason for that is because of the people you are hanging around, not the fact that they were born in 1992. You could speak to someone else born in 1992 and they could have a totally different perception of people two years younger than them. Shouldn't paint everyone under the one brush.

The reason for that is because of the people you are hanging around, not the fact that they were born in 1992. You could speak to someone else born in 1992 and they could have a totally different perception of people two years younger than them. Shouldn't paint everyone under the one brush.


Honestly, your age grouo should be a 2 year gap.

I've met someone that said that 2000 babies have a 50-50 similarity between 1999 and 2005 babies. No joke.

The reason for that is because of the people you are hanging around, not the fact that they were born in 1992. You could speak to someone else born in 1992 and they could have a totally different perception of people two years younger than them. Shouldn't paint everyone under the one brush.


people always distance themselves from people born 2 years after them on forums like this, they usually claim to have the most in common with people as much as 4 years older and 1 year younger

I use the rule of 3, equally. So 1992  - 1998 all had relatively similar childhoods to me (born in '95). The older I get, the broader it is, and the less it matters. I would date a girl born in 2000 no problem.

I use the rule of 3, equally. So 1992  - 1998 all had relatively similar childhoods to me (born in '95). The older I get, the broader it is, and the less it matters. I would date a girl born in 2000 no problem.


depends on what part of the year you were born in too though

Haha well think about how those born in the 19th century. They just seem a lot more ancient, this will especially be true for people born in another millennium.


Yeah, I can’t wait for the day when just having your birth year start with “19” no matter what year in the 20th century you were born, becomes code for “WOW! This guy is really OLD!”  :o

As for the whole “gatekeeping” issue. This is nothing new. I remember in the mid-late 2000s late 80s babies acted the same way towards early 90s babies.  ::)

And in the early/mid 2010s, early 90s babies acted the same way towards mid/late 90s babies.

Remember those dumb memes such as “Like if you were born between 1980-1993 the last generation with sense!” Or whatever.  ::)

Or those “90s kids vs 2000s kids” videos on YouTube.

And I’m sure the same thing will happen in 10 years. Late 2000s babies will act the same towards early 2010s babies and so on...

Yeah, I can’t wait for the day when just having your birth year start with “19” no matter what year in the 20th century you were born, becomes code for “WOW! This guy is really OLD!”  :o

As for the whole “gatekeeping” issue. This is nothing new. I remember in the mid-late 2000s late 80s babies acted the same way towards early 90s babies.  ::)

And in the early/mid 2010s, early 90s babies acted the same way towards mid/late 90s babies.

Remember those dumb memes such as “Like if you were born between 1980-1993 the last generation with sense!” Or whatever.  ::)

Or those “90s kids vs 2000s kids” videos on YouTube.

And I’m sure the same thing will happen in 10 years. Late 2000s babies will act the same towards early 2010s babies and so on...

I don't think 2000s kids are going to be as bad as the 90s kids were. The way those 90s kids acted towards us was not normal in my opinion. I still can't figure out why some 90s kids are so mean spirited.

I don't think 2000s kids are going to be as bad as the 90s kids were. The way those 90s kids acted towards us was not normal in my opinion. I still can't figure out why some 90s kids are so mean spirited.


Funny thing is, I remember in the mid/late 2000s my birth year (1990) used to be the year that got a lot of hate online and when “spoiled brats” started to be born. Then in the early 2010s it became 1995 that got a lot of hate. Now it’s 2000 or so. I think the reason some 90s kids acted the way they did is because how we were told a decade earlier by 80s kids on how we “missed out” for not being alive in the 80s. And how “everything went downhill” after 1994 or whatever.  So monkey see, monkey do I guess.  :P

Funny thing is, I remember in the mid/late 2000s my birth year (1990) used to be the year that got a lot of hate online and when “spoiled brats” started to be born. Then in the early 2010s it became 1995 that got a lot of hate. Now it’s 2000 or so. I think the reason some 90s kids acted the way they did is because how we were told a decade earlier by 80s kids on how we “missed out” for not being alive in the 80s. And how “everything went downhill” after 1994 or whatever.  So monkey see, monkey do I guess.  :P

I hope this cycle ends. No one deserves to be hated on because of the year they were born. People also need to recognize that every generation has good and bad things.

Hell, I was born in the early 90s and I've been called a "90s kid" in a derogatory way by 80s babies who aren't much older than me, though it doesn't really happen now that we're all old.  ;D

Funny thing is, I remember in the mid/late 2000s my birth year (1990) used to be the year that got a lot of hate online and when “spoiled brats” started to be born. Then in the early 2010s it became 1995 that got a lot of hate. Now it’s 2000 or so. I think the reason some 90s kids acted the way they did is because how we were told a decade earlier by 80s kids on how we “missed out” for not being alive in the 80s. And how “everything went downhill” after 1994 or whatever.  So monkey see, monkey do I guess.  :P


Hell, people have been hating on the younger generation since Socrates. There is nothing new under the sun.

I don't think 2000s kids are going to be as bad as the 90s kids were. The way those 90s kids acted towards us was not normal in my opinion. I still can't figure out why some 90s kids are so mean spirited.

I actually met worse 00s kids got harassed by three of them just for defending the 2010s for about half a year. Though on other occasions i did meet uptight or plain egotistical 00s kids in the comment sections of YouTube though most of them were only 7 by the end of the 2000s. But yeah I agree, 90s kids did act like that. I was only in kindergarten and what not when that occurred so I can’t really say anything but all I can say is the only behavior of that kind will always be similar to the 90s kids.

I actually met worse 00s kids got harassed by three of them just for defending the 2010s for about half a year. Though on other occasions i did meet uptight or plain egotistical 00s kids in the comment sections of YouTube though most of them were only 7 by the end of the 2000s. But yeah I agree, 90s kids did act like that. I was only in kindergarten and what not when that occurred so I can’t really say anything but all I can say is the only behavior of that kind will always be similar to the 90s kids.


everyone thinks their childhood and teenage decades are superior to the predecessing ones

ageism happened to the 90s kids too, i myself remember how much older people complained about that decade when i was a kid living it

Firstly, can you please explain what 'gatekept' is?


It is when people say you're not a real fan or a real member of the group, unless you meet certain ridiculous conditions.

Usually it's when people say you're not a real fan of a band or a TV show unless you were following them before they got popular or released a certain album.

It's also used as political jargon e.g. when people say someone is not black enough to have an opinion on a black issue.

It is when people say you're not a real fan or a real member of the group, unless you meet certain ridiculous conditions.

Usually it's when people say you're not a real fan of a band or a TV show unless you were following them before they got popular or released a certain album.

It's also used as political jargon e.g. when people say someone is not black enough to have an opinion on a black issue.

It's kind of true on some things. Gen Z hates Millennials but Gen Z loves things Millennials grew up on. Example: The Tv show Friends (1994-2004) It's becoming popular among 2000s borns.

It's kind of true on some things. Gen Z hates Millennials but Gen Z loves things Millennials grew up on. Example: The Tv show Friends (1994-2004) It's becoming popular among 2000s borns.


Gen Z seems to accentuate gen x culture rather than millennial culture. Most millennials would have been under 13 when friends aired. Not saying they didn’t watch it but it was more so apart of the gen x audience.

Gen Z seems to accentuate gen x culture rather than millennial culture. Most millennials would have been under 13 when friends aired. Not saying they didn’t watch it but it was more so apart of the gen x audience.

Those born in 1981 would of watched it. If you're talking about those born between 1982-1996. We would of watched the later seasons.

When exactly does gen z start?

Those born in 1981 would of watched it. If you're talking about those born between 1982-1996. We would of watched the later seasons.


1981 is culturally gen x, they graduated in the 90’s and spent all of there teen years in the 90’s. Anyone who was an adult in the 20th century will always be culturally gen x. The only reason pew states them to be a millennial is because they weren’t in kindergarten during the 1986 Challenger explosion in January. Same with 1997 Babies and 9/11. 1996 babies would have been 8 in 2004 and still under the age  demographic for the show. Not saying they didn’t watch it because I remember watching friends in first grade (2003) but I wasn’t in the age demographic.

When exactly does gen z start?

Pew uses 1981-1996 when talking about political aspects. I go by the US census bureau’s definition  (1982-2000) when talking about cultural aspects

It is when people say you're not a real fan or a real member of the group, unless you meet certain ridiculous conditions.

Usually it's when people say you're not a real fan of a band or a TV show unless you were following them before they got popular or released a certain album.

It's also used as political jargon e.g. when people say someone is not black enough to have an opinion on a black issue.
Thanks for the info.

Gen Z seems to accentuate gen x culture rather than millennial culture. Most millennials would have been under 13 when friends aired. Not saying they didn’t watch it but it was more so apart of the gen x audience.

My sister was born in 1986 and was 18 when it ended. I’d say she was definitely in the target audience for most of it.

My sister was born in 1986 and was 18 when it ended. I’d say she was definitely in the target audience for most of it.


Didn’t say she didn’t but she was only 8 when the show aired in 1994 and wasn’t in the age demographic of that show. When friends first started it was geared towards Gen X and the times of living in New York for that age cohort. I’m sure she watched it tho, but it wasn’t a show for an 8 year old in 1994.

Didn’t say she didn’t but she was only 8 when the show aired in 1994 and wasn’t in the age demographic of that show. When friends first started it was geared towards Gen X and the times of living in New York for that age cohort. I’m sure she watched it tho, but it wasn’t a show for an 8 year old in 1994.


i watched various "teen-adult targeted" shows everyday after school when i was 8

Gen Z seems to accentuate gen x culture rather than millennial culture. Most millennials would have been under 13 when friends aired. Not saying they didn’t watch it but it was more so apart of the gen x audience.


FRIENDS was both Gen X and Millennial, in all honesty. It's target demographic (not to mention the ages of the main cast/characters) was Gen X, but Millennials still grew up watching it alongside their older siblings/parental figures in the late 90s/early 00s. However, I would definitely say that shows like New Girl, How I Met Your Mother, and Broad City (among others) were much more directly targeted to the Millennial demographic.

i watched various "teen-adult targeted" shows everyday after school when i was 8


Not saying anyone didn’t, I did too but the demographic of the show was to gain traction of the teen cohort. I used to watch Flavor of Love when I was 9 in 2006 but I wasn’t apart of that demographic.

FRIENDS was both Gen X and Millennial, in all honesty. It's target demographic (not to mention the ages of the main cast/characters) was Gen X, but Millennials still grew up watching it alongside their older siblings/parental figures in the late 90s/early 00s. However, I would definitely say that shows like New Girl, How I Met Your Mother, and Broad City (among others) were much more directly targeted to the Millennial demographic.


Agreed and same with Degrassi: The next generation, Sabrina the Teenage witch (the sitcom) and Buffy were all xennial/ millennial shows.

Agreed and same with Degrassi: The next generation, Sabrina the Teenage witch (the sitcom) and Buffy were all xennial/ millennial shows.


Disagree actually with that statement as well. Unless you're referring to Xennials that lean more on the Millennial side of things (so those born in 1981-1983/1984), all of those shows are iconic Millennial shows, that were particularly popular exclusively to our generation, despite actors/actresses being born in that general Xennial cusp range. I don't think many Late 70s babies (or any 70s babies in that manner) were that invested in shows like Sabrina and Buffy in the late 90s/early 00s, but surely many late 90s/early 00s teens (along with even the kids of that era, aka the younger siblings of late 90s/early 00s teens) were.

Degrassi: The Next Generation is as 'core' Millennial as you can get, to the point that it wouldn't even resonate that much to the Y Leaning/Xennial demographic. The show aired from 2001-2015, and was at its peak in popularity from 2003-2008/2009, which was both the 'core' 2000s and the 'core' of Millennial youth culture, nothing remotely 'Xennial' about it.

Disagree actually with that statement as well. Unless you're referring to Xennials that lean more on the Millennial side of things (so those born in 1981-1983/1984), all of those shows are iconic Millennial shows, that were particularly popular exclusively to our generation, despite actors/actresses being born in that general Xennial cusp range. I don't think many Late 70s babies (or any 70s babies in that manner) were that invested in shows like Sabrina and Buffy in the late 90s/early 00s, but surely many late 90s/early 00s teens (along with even the kids of that era, aka the younger siblings of late 90s/early 00s teens) were.

Degrassi: The Next Generation is as 'core' Millennial as you can get, to the point that it wouldn't even resonate that much to the Y Leaning/Xennial demographic. The show aired from 2001-2015, and was at its peak in popularity from 2003-2008/2009, which was both the 'core' 2000s and the 'core' of Millennial youth culture, nothing remotely 'Xennial' about it.


Which is why I said xennial/millennial shows. Buffy the Vampire slayer is definitely a xennial show a long with charmed, bewitched and dawsons creek. Hell Sarah Michell Gellar was still in high school while filming the show.They were marketed and produced towards that cohort. Buffy the vampire slayer was popular when I was in elementary school and I remember watching it with my older cousin (1984/xennial) and being scared out of my wits lol. Degrassi: The next generation started in late 2001 when many xennials were still in high school although it was more of a millennial show of course considering most middle schoolers watched he show.  I started watching Degrassi in 5th grade (2007). But the first season of degrassi and buffy were targeted towards xennials. The youngest millennials were only 4-5 when degrassi aired and 6-7 when Buffy was canceled in 2003. The show gravitated towards the pre teen/ teenage audience. Meanwhile most 90’s babies (Especially mid to late) were watching Nick, Disney and CN in the early 2000’s.

Also I was born in 1997 and if I remember you were born in 96 ? Saying that xennials weren’t interested in those shows in the late 90’s would be like me saying our age group wasn’t interested in 13 reasons why or stranger things when they first aired.

Which is why I said xennial/millennial shows. Buffy the Vampire slayer is definitely a xennial show a long with charmed, bewitched and dawsons creek. Hell Sarah Michell Gellar was still in high school while filming the show.They were marketed and produced towards that cohort. Buffy the vampire slayer was popular when I was in elementary school and I remember watching it with my older cousin (1984/xennial) and being scared out of my wits lol. Degrassi: The next generation started in late 2001 when many xennials were still in high school although it was more of a millennial show of course considering most middle schoolers watched he show.  I started watching Degrassi in 5th grade (2007). But the first season of degrassi and buffy were targeted towards xennials. The youngest millennials were only 4-5 when degrassi aired and 6-7 when Buffy was canceled in 2003. The show gravitated towards the pre teen/ teenage audience. Meanwhile most 90’s babies (Especially mid to late) were watching Nick, Disney and CN in the early 2000’s.

Also I was born in 1997 and if I remember you were born in 96 ? Saying that xennials weren’t interested in those shows in the late 90’s would be like me saying our age group wasn’t interested in 13 reasons why or stranger things when they first aired.


No dude, no. Those simply are not Xennial shows, you don't even know what you're talking about. Shows like My So Called Life or movies like Clueless, come off to my mind as being more Xennial. Buffy though? That's Millennial. I'll give you that maybe SOME Late 70s babies could've been into those shows, but the target audience was by and large 80s babies and (arguably) some early-mid 90s babies.

Also, no offense dude but I also don't really know that many people our age that were really that invested in 13 Reasons Why either, so ironically it further proves my point. Maybe VERY Late 90s babies were/are into it, because they were technically still in high school when the show began to air. I'll admit that I know that one of my good friends had seen the first season, but only because he was interested in the suicidal/mental illness aspect of the show (he read the book when he was younger). However, for what the show has become, aka another mundane teen drama, it's a shame that this show came into existence in the first place, hence why I am glad I never really had gotten into it 8-P. Thus, a potentially dynamic show about mental illness with a potentially wide ranging audience, ended up being just another typical teen drama show with a target audience mainly 2000s babies, aka current teens, whom would be the only ones to be remotely interested in this garbage.

Stranger Things is a show not exclusively popular with the youth, but rather with all generations. Horrible example to use.

There are some shows that are targetted at (pre)teens, but the vast majority of shows are targetted at all (adult/teen) ages. I don't think it's weird for a Boomer or Millennial or even Silent/Greatest Gen to be into Friends and be influenced by it even if they aren't the same age as the characters, and the same can be said for the vast majority of TV shows. I've never heard of a show laser targeted at the 25-34 demographic, that's not a thing.

Even though we were 11/12 at the time, most people in my class watched Friends while it was still airing new episodes. I don't think it mattered that we weren't the same age as the characters, it was the most popular show at the time so we watched it.

No dude, no. Those simply are not Xennial shows, you don't even know what you're talking about. Shows like My So Called Life or movies like Clueless, come off to my mind as being more Xennial. Buffy though? That's Millennial. I'll give you that maybe SOME Late 70s babies could've been into those shows, but the target audience was by and large 80s babies and (arguably) some early-mid 90s babies.

Also, no offense dude but I also don't really know that many people our age that were really that invested in 13 Reasons Why either, so ironically it further proves my point. Maybe VERY Late 90s babies were/are into it, because they were technically still in high school when the show began to air. I'll admit that I know that one of my good friends had seen the first season, but only because he was interested in the suicidal/mental illness aspect of the show (he read the book when he was younger). However, for what the show has become, aka another mundane teen drama, it's a shame that this show came into existence in the first place, hence why I am glad I never really had gotten into it 8-P. Thus, a potentially dynamic show about mental illness with a potentially wide ranging audience, ended up being just another typical teen drama show with a target audience mainly 2000s babies, aka current teens, whom would be the only ones to be remotely interested in this garbage.

Stranger Things is a show not exclusively popular with the youth, but rather with all generations. Horrible example to use.


You seem to be getting kid culture intertwined with teen culture. Most millennials were kids when Buffy came out.  Many late 80’s and early 90’s babies (Core Millennials) weren’t  in that age demographic yet, they were in the age demographic for All That, The Amanda Show, Clarissa explains it all, Ren and Stimpy, etc.  Xennials were born late 70’s to early 80’s right ? My so called life came out in 1994 and lasted a season but ok ? Anything from 1994-1997 could be claimed by a xxennial in that regard. Buffy the vampire slayer came out in 1997 when the youngest xennial was like 13. It was rated TV 14 at the time so the geared audience was towards them I would assume?  the late 70’s and early 80’s babies(at the time). The show was on for 6 years so I’m not saying it wasn’t a millennial show. That would be like me saying Spongebob is strictly a millennial cartoon because it came out in 1999.The humor, pop culture and fashion the show depicted had many gen x influences to it. Gen X also had shows like Law and  oreder, x-files, etc. It was definitely a xennial/millennial show. Clueless is straight up Gen X as well as The Craft, Scream, etc. Xennial/ millennial movies to me were apart of the late 90’s and early 2000’s era when they were teens and college aged students such as American Pie, Scary Movie, The Matrix, Blade, American Beauty, etc. Movies like Bring it on, Dodgeball, John Tucker Must Die, Mean girls, White chicks, etc are quintessential millennial movies. Shows like Degrassi, One tree hill, The OC, Skins, Laguna Beach, Flavor of Love, etc. are millennial shows no doubt.

I mean I could use other examples as well other than stranger things, but it is mostly popularized by today’s teens.

There are some shows that are targetted at (pre)teens, but the vast majority of shows are targetted at all (adult/teen) ages. I don't think it's weird for a Boomer or Millennial or even Silent/Greatest Gen to be into Friends and be influenced by it even if they aren't the same age as the characters, and the same can be said for the vast majority of TV shows. I've never heard of a show laser targeted at the 25-34 demographic, that's not a thing.

Even though we were 11/12 at the time, most people in my class watched Friends while it was still airing new episodes. I don't think it mattered that we weren't the same age as the characters, it was the most popular show at the time so we watched it.


Again I’m not saying that you or any other millennials didn’t watch the show, I’m saying that friends was originally apart of Gen X culture not millennial culture (the fashion, humor, lifestyle, etc)I was watching Flavor of love at 9 and Jersey shore when I was like 12/13 even tho I wasn’t apart of the core age demographic for those shows. Some would say I’m gen z others would say I’m a millennial. I watched friends when I was a kid as well as full house. 

1981 is culturally gen x, they graduated in the ’90s and spent all of there teen years in the ’90s. Anyone who was an adult in the 20th century will always be culturally gen x. The only reason pew states them to be a millennial is because they weren’t in kindergarten during the 1986 Challenger explosion in January. Same with 1997 Babies and 9/11.
No, they aren't. I disagree with that first statement. 1981 is more Millennial than people believe. Are you seriously saying that celebrities such as Phillip Rivers, Eli Manning, Paris Hilton, Nicole Richie, Justin Timberlake, Britney Spears, Beyonce, etc. are culturally Gen Xers?

I think having to be in a specific school stage for events is BS. I say its more about remembering and understanding the occurrence. I mean, 1997 folks on average don't remember 9/11 nor do those a few years older. If they did, they still wouldn't understand the symbolism behind the event. 9/11 is more significant for Gen Xers than it ever was for Millennials. As for the 1986 Challenger explosion, they certainly don't remember that event. They would have been four at best. I even highly doubt that 1979-80 would also recall that tragedy.


Which is why I said xennial/millennial shows. Buffy, the Vampire slayer, is a xennial show along with charmed, bewitched, and Dawsons Creek. Hell Sarah Michelle Gellar was still in high school while filming the show. They were marketed and produced towards that cohort. Buffy, the vampire slayer, was popular when I was in elementary school, and I remember watching it with my older cousin (1984/xennial) and being scared out of my wits lol. Degrassi: The next generation started in late 2001 when many xennials were still in high school, although it was more of a millennial show, of course, considering most middle schoolers watched the show.  I started watching Degrassi in 5th grade (2007). But the first season of Degrassi and buffy was targeted towards xennials. The youngest millennials were only 4-5 when Degrassi aired and 6-7 when Buffy was canceled in 2003. The show gravitated towards the pre-teen/ teenage audience. Meanwhile, most 90’s babies (Especially mid to late) were watching Nick, Disney, and CN in the early 2000s.
She was? I thought she finished HS long before she was on the hit show.

Buffy was a Millennial show. The show started as Millennial youth culture became mainstream in the late 90s, and it ended in 2003. There's nothing Xennial about it.


Buffy, the vampire slayer, came out in 1997 when the youngest xennial was like 13. It was rated TV 14 at the time, so the geared audience was towards them, I would assume? The late 70’s and early 80’s babies(at the time). The show was on for six years, so I’m not saying it wasn’t a millennial show. That would be like me saying Spongebob is strictly a millennial cartoon because it came out in 1999. The humor, pop culture, and fashion the show depicted had many gen x influences to it. Gen X also had shows like Law and order, x-files, etc. It was a xennial/millennial show. Clueless is straight-up Gen X as well as The Craft, Scream, etc. Xennial/ millennial movies to me were apart of the late 90’s and early 2000’s era when they were teens and college-aged students such as American Pie, Scary Movie, The Matrix, Blade, American Beauty, etc. Movies like Bring it on, Dodgeball, John Tucker, Must Die, Mean girls, White chicks, etc. are quintessential millennial movies. Shows like Degrassi, One tree hill, The OC, Skins, Laguna Beach, Flavor of Love, etc. are millennial shows, no doubt.
All the high school and college films of the late ’90s and early 2000s were Millennial at best. By then, the older group of them were at these stages, so they were the target audience to watch them. Plus, the features of the characters were different from those that were shown in the Gen X ones. I have watched American Pie and the other movies from that time, and there is nothing Xennial about them. Here are two clips down below.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OQl89ewXvc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgXTRSSX3cc

To me, generations go by a 20 year rule. So Gen X is 1960 to 1980. Gen Y is 1980 to 2000. Gen Z is 2000 to 2020. For this reason, I do not believe Gen Alpha has been born yet. I don't why people don't make it simple and stick with the 20 year rule, give or take a few years.

There would be a lot less debate this way... Heck it even makes sense biologically, usually after 20 years. So a 20 year old woman usually bears a child around this age and starts a new generation. Every 20 years a new generation appears.

Am I the only one who sees this as logical?  ;D

Gen Y ends in 1994 and not 2000

No, they aren't. I disagree with that first statement. 1981 is more Millennial than people believe. Are you seriously saying that celebrities such as Phillip Rivers, Eli Manning, Paris Hilton, Nicole Richie, Justin Timberlake, Britney Spears, Beyonce, etc. are culturally Gen Xers?

I think having to be in a specific school stage for events is BS. I say its more about remembering and understanding the occurrence. I mean, 1997 folks on average don't remember 9/11 nor do those a few years older. If they did, they still wouldn't understand the symbolism behind the event. 9/11 is more significant for Gen Xers than it ever was for Millennials. As for the 1986 Challenger explosion, they certainly don't remember that event. They would have been four at best. I even highly doubt that 1979-80 would also recall that tragedy.
She was? I thought she finished HS long before she was on the hit show.

Buffy was a Millennial show. The show started as Millennial youth culture became mainstream in the late 90s, and it ended in 2003. There's nothing Xennial about it.
All the high school and college films of the late ’90s and early 2000s were Millennial at best. By then, the older group of them were at these stages, so they were the target audience to watch them. Plus, the features of the characters were different from those that were shown in the Gen X ones. I have watched American Pie and the other movies from that time, and there is nothing Xennial about them. Here are two clips down below.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OQl89ewXvc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgXTRSSX3cc


I think many 1997 babies remember 9/11 I mean they were 4 by late 2001 and in 2002 it was all over the news, it was pretty hard to miss. Also by age 4 a child is fully aware of what death is and by age 3 they already have a concept of what death is, that is scientifically proven. When I was in 1st grade we had to write pen pal letters to soldiers in the Iraq war (2003). I definitely did understand 9/11 at a young age (partially) and the school system tried their best to help us understand it as kid friendly as possible, for an ex: having to write letters and having a brief moment of silence every year. Now understanding it is totally different from remembering it I agree. I highly doubt anyone under 10 years old is really gonna understand the full implications/geopolitics of that day as most of what happened on 9/11 happened due to a plethora of events that took place before anyone born in the 1990’s were even thought of. Hell even high schoolers didn’t know what was going on let alone an 8 years old millennial.

As for Buffy, I consider the first season apart of Xennial (1977-1984) youth culture! But overall it is a millennial show and i believe Xennials and millennials enjoyed it equally, even I enjoyed watching it when I was 5/ 6 years old with my cousin (Xennial). To me the core of millennials are late 80’s early 90’s babies so I always consider the time of their preteen/ teen years apart of the late 90’s early 2000’s as well.

1981 is definitely culturally gen X, are you kidding me ? https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4UmbOy9c91s This is Beyonce in 1992, you should see her home videos from 1994. Here is teenage Justin Timberlake and Ryan Gosling with Xscape (Gen X/90’s girl group) on the mickey mouse club https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VZMEJ4v2flI. This is definitely Gen X culture. Nothing millennial about it. Even this video of Kim K in 1994 screams Gen X https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=s_enm5TBKSA and  https://akns-images.eonline.com/eol_images/Entire_Site/2018911/rs_600x600-181011132836-TBT.jpg .When I think of millennials I think of Mary Kate and Ashley and Lindsey lohan circa 1998 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2QD80Rz54w8

American Pie is definitely Xennial/late gen x culture in every which way. Most millennials werent even in the age demographic for that movie in 1999 almost a majority of them were under 15-17 when it came out (not saying teens under 17 didn’t watch it or enjoy it). Theres no way I see someone who spent all of their teen years and even became an adult before 2000 as a millennial. 1981 babies would have been in their adolescence  during Grunge, New Jack Swing and other late 80’s/early 90’s pop. All of the influencers you noted definitely grew up culturally gen X, they were however the influencers of millennial pop culture and the millennial generation, however they weren’t millennials and didn’t grow up as such. None of them were even in high school in the 2000’s. Paris Hilton was also born in 1980 she is gen x by most consensus.

LMFAOO late 90’s babies be desperate af to fit into millennials it’s insane.

“lAtE 90S bAbIeS aRe NoT iN tHe SaMe gEnErAtIoN aS mId-lAte 2000s bAbIes bEcAusE wE gREW Up dIfFeReNtlY! iT’S nOT fAir tO gRoUp uS tOGeTher!!”

A 1982 and a 1994 baby also grew up differently and yet they’re both still considered Gen Y. 🤷🏽‍♀️

I think what a lot of late 90’s babies keep on forgetting is that growing up isn’t just limited to childhood. It’s the teenaged years as well. Smartphones were already very popular by the time those born between 1997-1999 were all teens. So technically late 90’s babies did grow up with smartphones. Literally the only difference is that y’all had them later on, which just makes you more like an older member of Gen Z than a late millennial or whatever.

Actual millennials grew up with flip phones for most if not all of their teenaged years when they were popular. They used MySpace, vividly remember 9/11 (which I doubt the majority of late 90’s babies can remember) and likely even remember a pre-9/11 world (very much doubt late 90’s babies can remember, and remembering your preschool teacher singing the ABCs in March 2000 doesn’t count) entered high school in the 2000’s, old enough to understand and care about the Great Recession, old enough to vote in 2012. I just have to laugh at anyone who actually believes someone born in like 1999 is legit Gen Y.  ;D ::)

I think what a lot of late 90’s babies keep on forgetting is that growing up isn’t just limited to childhood. It’s the teenaged years as well. Smartphones were already very popular by the time those born between 1997-1999 were all teens. So technically late 90’s babies did grow up with smartphones. Literally the only difference is that y’all had them later on, which just makes you more like an older member of Gen Z than a late millennial or whatever.


Smartphones were popular by the time someone born in 1993 were teens too tho ? Were blackberries not smartphones ? The highest grossing phone in 2008 was the blackberry. In 2009 it was the 3gs. Most 90’s babies would have all been in high school or middle school (some point of their adolescence). Also most mid 90’s babies (1994-1996) spent their teen/adolescent years in the same era as me as we were all in high school/college at some point together. I don’t get why they are easily accepted as apart of a generation that I clearly am culturally apart of. You are basing your consensus off of numerics and not culture. I understand  Why you don’t want to be in a generation with late 90’s babies, I get itZ we aren’t 90’s kids but neither are mid 90’s babies. As someone who experienced and remembers the early 2000’s vividly I wouldn’t say im detached from someone born in 1994.

Actual millennials grew up with flip phones for most if not all of their teenaged years when they were popular. They used MySpace, vividly remember 9/11 (which I doubt the majority of late 90’s babies can remember) and likely even remember a pre-9/11 world (very much doubt late 90’s babies can remember, and remembering your preschool teacher singing the ABCs in March 2000 doesn’t count) entered high school in the 2000’s, old enough to understand and care about the Great Recession, old enough to vote in 2012. I just have to laugh at anyone who actually believes someone born in like 1999 is legit Gen Y.  ;D ::)


I don’t believe anyone born in 1999 is gen y but I wouldn’t say their experiences are too detached from the later portion of the generation. You said remembering a pre 9/11 world, let’s switch that to a pre 9/11 America. 9/11 did not really affect the west coast as much as it did for the east coast. It had little effect on pop culture and practically no effect in places like Central America. Also I highly doubt anyone born after 1991 is going to politically understand a pre 9/11 United States. Sure they will remember a good portion of their childhood, vivid memories, music, toys, elementary school etc. but politics are fleeting amongst children at that age as they don’t have the full knowledge capacity to totally understand how “fortunate” America was before and after 9/11, especially since most of their formative development occurred post 9/11 (adolescence).

Technically someone born in July of 1997 would have memories of a pre 9/11 world. Hell here’s a photo https://imgur.com/a/sF607SJ of me and my best friend on August 27 2001 (2weeks before 9/11). I remember this day vividly as well as 9/11 ! I was not singing the ABC’s at preschool, I was simply enjoying a childhood experience outside of pre k at an amusement park. Also if you want me to pull up my MySpace account from 2008 I can totally do that too since “millennials used MySpace” but I’m technically Gen Z according to you and the Pew research center. Also I’m not desperate to fit into the millennial generation, with all the slack that generation gets no way jose, although my life experiences aren’t drastically different from someone born in 1992. This is not a 90’s kid vs 2000’s kid debate, this is a generational one. Placing someone like me in a generation with someone born in 2005 seems ridiculous. The 2000’s was a decade of technological and political evolution. The decade was so fast paste in technology that someone born in 2003 won’t even remember a time when we used dial up Internet where as I do.

I was in 6th grade during the recession (junior high) and I remember seeing my teacher cry when she came into our room with a pink slip. I live in Marin CA and witnessed the prices inflate like a wildfire.  I remember many parents losing their homes and many people started carpooling with other kids in the neighborhood on our way to school in order to help save gas since the prices were ridiculous. Someone born in 2003 (Gen Z) will never share the same experience as me in that regard, someone born in 1992 would. Generations are shared experiences not rocket science. I don’t understand why people get so defensive and gatekeepy with this kinda stuff. It’s weird. I relate more so to later millennials, sorry if that offends you or anyone else :/.

Gen Y ends in 1994 and not 2000

Uh what? You're in La La Land...

LMFAOO late 90’s babies be desperate af to fit into millennials it’s insane.

“lAtE 90S bAbIeS aRe NoT iN tHe SaMe gEnErAtIoN aS mId-lAte 2000s bAbIes bEcAusE wE gREW Up dIfFeReNtlY! iT’S nOT fAir tO gRoUp uS tOGeTher!!”

A 1982 and a 1994 baby also grew up differently and yet they’re both still considered Gen Y. 🤷🏽‍♀️

What are you even talking about? 2000 is the cutoff for Gen Y.

Why would people say someone born in 1999 isn't Gen Y? Very strange.

I think what a lot of late 90’s babies keep on forgetting is that growing up isn’t just limited to childhood. It’s the teenaged years as well. Smartphones were already very popular by the time those born between 1997-1999 were all teens. So technically late 90’s babies did grow up with smartphones. Literally the only difference is that y’all had them later on, which just makes you more like an older member of Gen Z than a late millennial or whatever.

I guess late 90s borns could be considered the oldest Z. 1995-1996 borns however, are too early to be considered Gen Z.

Some people are so weird in that they get so angry that late '90s borns are considered Gen Y even though that makes sense logically. And yes I am a mid '90s born defending a late '90s born! I'm not ageist, I am logical.

Actual millennials grew up with flip phones for most if not all of their teenaged years when they were popular. They used MySpace, vividly remember 9/11 (which I doubt the majority of late 90’s babies can remember) and likely even remember a pre-9/11 world (very much doubt late 90’s babies can remember, and remembering your preschool teacher singing the ABCs in March 2000 doesn’t count) entered high school in the 2000’s, old enough to understand and care about the Great Recession, old enough to vote in 2012. I just have to laugh at anyone who actually believes someone born in like 1999 is legit Gen Y.  ;D ::)

Firstly, since when is remembering 9/11 a must for being a part of a generation? That is not at all what it is about... Generations have nothing to do with "memories" of tragic events like 9/11, that is so random. There criteria is simple and logical and the cutoff for the generation is 2000, 9/11 has nothing to do with that. Not to mention not everyone lives in the US. Bit even if they did, remembering 9/11 is not a criteria at all.

Secondly, why are you so interested and concerned with 1990s borns being part of Gen Y when you were born well into the 2000s? I'm just curious why it's a concern to you if you weren't even born in the 1990s.

Ok I'm no longer gonna reply to this forum. It's silly to get worked up over these topics.

I guess late 90s borns could be considered the oldest Z. 1995-1996 borns however, are too early to be considered Gen Z.


I have to disagree. I don’t see how that is possible. As a 1997 baby I feel more aligned with mid 90’s babies. That’s practically a given considering I was born at the edge of the mid 90’s and the beginning of the late 90’s. I don’t think generations are numerical but more so cultural. Someone born in 1995-1996 is only a year to two year age gap. 1996 babies were in my class and I went to middle school/high school with anyone born from 1993-1997 so I definitely don’t feel too young to be a millennial considering everyone in my immediate age group is a millennial. The only reason 1997 is excluded is because they weren’t in elementary school (kindergarten)on 9/11. Other than that 1997 is culturally a late millennial in my opinion.

I think many 1997 babies remember 9/11. I mean, they were four by late 2001 and in 2002, it was all over the news; it was pretty hard to miss. Also, by age four, a child is fully aware of what death is, and by age three, they already have a concept of what death is, that is, scientifically proven. When I was in 1st grade, we had to write pen pal letters to soldiers in the Iraq war (2003). I did understand 9/11 at a young age (partially). The school system tried their best to help us understand it as kid-friendly as possible. For an ex: having to write letters and having a brief moment of silence every year. Now understanding it is different from remembering it, I agree. I highly doubt anyone under ten years old is going to understand the full implications/geopolitics of that day. Most of  9/11 happened due to a plethora of events that took place before anyone born in the 1990s was even thoughts. Hell, even high schoolers didn’t know what was going on, let alone an eight years old millennial.

As for Buffy, I consider the first season apart of Xennial (1977-1984) youth culture! But overall, it is a millennial show, and i believe Xennials and millennials enjoyed it equally. Even I enjoyed watching it when I was 5/ 6 years old with my cousin (Xennial). To me, the core of millennials is the late 80’s early 90’s babies. I always consider the time of their preteen/ teen years apart of the late 90’s early 2000’s as well.

1981 is culturally gen X, are you kidding me? https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4UmbOy9c91s This is Beyonce in 1992, you should see her home videos from 1994. Here are teenage Justin Timberlake and Ryan Gosling with Xscape (Gen X/90’s girl group) on the mickey mouse club https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VZMEJ4v2flI. This video is Gen X culture. Nothing millennial about it. Even this video of Kim K in 1994 screams Gen X https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=s_enm5TBKSA and https://akns-images.eonline.com/eol_images/Entire_Site/2018911/rs_600x600-181011132836-TBT.jpg. When I think of millennials, I think of Mary Kate and Ashley and Lindsey lohan circa 1998 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2QD80Rz54w8.

American Pie is Xennial/late gen x culture in every which way. Most millennials weren't even in the age demographic for that movie in 1999. Almost a majority of them were under 15-17 when it came out (not saying teens under 17 didn’t watch it or enjoy it). There's no way I see someone who spent all of their teen years and even became an adult before 2000 as a millennial. The 1981 babies would have been in their adolescence during Grunge, New Jack Swing, and other late ’ the 80s/early 90’s pop. All of the influencers you noted grew up culturally gen X; they were, however, the influencers of millennial pop culture and the millennial generation. However, they weren’t millennials and didn’t grow up as such. None of them were even in high school in the 2000s. Paris Hilton was also born in 1980. She is gen x by most consensus.
Most don't honestly since it was a political event, and even if they did, they still wouldn't have grasped the outcome of that tragedy. As I mentioned before, 9/11 impacted Gen Xers on average than Millennials than we ever thought.

How though? The late 90s is when the Millennial youth culture became mainstream, with some details starting as early as 1994/95. I mean come on, in 1996 the median high schooler was 1980/81. Is that not Millennial (although the very, very first) for you? As for the core, the center would be a little older than that. You have to remember that the 2000s are the central youth for Millennials. I suggest you look at photos of young people from that time (including the early 00s). It captures the era very well. The mid-80s folks are just as much a millennial as their younger counterparts. The first half of the 90’s babies would generally be considered the last rather than the pivot while the first half of the 80s people are universally the oldest. Where do you start the Millennial generation? That could make this discussion more clear.

No, not really. They are culturally Millennial. The celebrities I mentioned scream the generation more than Gen X. They would have been in high school in the second half of the 90s, and they would have used the early social media sites during that time too. The first election they voted in was in 2000, which is then seen as the start of Millennial voters. Plus, the Columbine massacre was a significant event to them as it happened before they graduated.

I disagree. It is one of the first few Millennial films. Most Millennials may have been too young to watch the movie at first hand, but the oldest (who it was targeted at) saw it in theaters. No, they weren't in their adolescence during those musical trends. Grunge was an early 90s thing and was an adult craze that they were too young to participate in back then. Same with NJS, they were children during the prime of that era. Paris Hilton is clearly a Millennial. Her image comes off as one.

Most don't honestly since it was a political event, and even if they did, they still wouldn't have grasped the outcome of that tragedy. As I mentioned before, 9/11 impacted Gen Xers on average than Millennials than we ever thought.

How though? The late 90s is when the Millennial youth culture became mainstream, with some details starting as early as 1994/95. I mean come on, in 1996 the median high schooler was 1980/81. Is that not Millennial (although the very, very first) for you? As for the core, the center would be a little older than that. You have to remember that the 2000s are the central youth for Millennials. I suggest you look at photos of young people from that time (including the early 00s). It captures the era very well. The mid-80s folks are just as much a millennial as their younger counterparts. The first half of the 90’s babies would generally be considered the last rather than the pivot while the first half of the 80s people are universally the oldest. Where do you start the Millennial generation? That could make this discussion more clear.

No, not really. They are culturally Millennial. The celebrities I mentioned scream the generation more than Gen X. They would have been in high school in the second half of the 90s, and they would have used the early social media sites during that time too. The first election they voted in was in 2000, which is then seen as the start of Millennial voters. Plus, the Columbine massacre was a significant event to them as it happened before they graduated.

I disagree. It is one of the first few Millennial films. Most Millennials may have been too young to watch the movie at first hand, but the oldest (who it was targeted at) saw it in theaters. No, they weren't in their adolescence during those musical trends. Grunge was an early 90s thing and was an adult craze that they were too young to participate in back then. Same with NJS, they were children during the prime of that era. Paris Hilton is clearly a Millennial. Her image comes off as one.


I agree, with the exception with the points in bold.

1. Just because those born in 1980/1981 (which btw, I don't think are necessarily hard core X nor Millennial anyways, so not really representative of neither generations, but I digress) were in high school in the mid 90s, doesn't automatically make those years 'the start of Millennial culture'. In all honesty, there is nothing remotely 'Millennial' about the mid 90s, especially when youth culture is under concern. It was the peak in popularity for Grunge/Post Grunge, 'East v. West Coast' Hip Hop, and Rave music. Hell, Beavis & Butthead was popular on MTV and films like Clerks, Silent Jay & Bob, and Mallrats were popular with teens and young adults. More accurately, the debut of The Spice Girls and The Backstreet Boys internationally during the 1996-1997 school year could be attributed as some of the earliest Millennial/Y influences.

2. I don't think what a celebrity comes off of as 'culturally' really matters in the grand scheme of things. In fact, it's actually quite normal for the youngest of members of a previous generation to be culturally relevant to the oldest (and at many times, to even core members) to those in the subsequent generation. Like in all honesty, do you genuinely believe that just 1981 born celebrities had Millennial characteristics? What about Tom Brady, whom was born in 77'? Zoey Deschanel, born in 80'? The 'Property Brothers' Twins, born in 78'? I could go on and on. But the point is, I don't think that really matters, at all, because (most people, that is) are not going to say that Late 70s babies are Millennials, because some famous celebrities happen to had mainly Millennial fans, you catch my drift? I look at members individually about their life experiences, not celebrities that happen to had been born the same year as them. Even then, you're looking at a public image at the end of the day, the image a celebrity wants you to see, not for who that person really is and the experiences that person actually went through.

3. Finally, that's neither here nor there. 2004 (and especially) 2008, sure, especially since Gen Y/Millennials were much more known by that point and were defined by their political views (their anti-war stance against the Iraq War for 04' and 'Obamania' in 08'). But 2000? That's a bit of a stretch. Unless you meant in retrospect, that 2000 was the first 'Millennial election', then I (although would still disagree with you) could see where you're coming from. However, it seems to me that you're suggesting that, even in 2000, that most people in the media were already talking about 'Millennials voting', as some of the oldest members (early 80s babies) were voting age at that point, but no offense I find that hard to believe.

But overall though, I agree. Idk about DisneyRetro, but he just comes off as being too insecure about this sh!t.

I have to disagree. I don’t see how that is possible. As a 1997 baby I feel more aligned with mid 90’s babies. That’s practically a given considering I was born at the edge of the mid 90’s and the beginning of the late 90’s. I don’t think generations are numerical but more so cultural. Someone born in 1995-1996 is only a year to two year age gap. 1996 babies were in my class and I went to middle school/high school with anyone born from 1993-1997 so I definitely don’t feel too young to be a millennial considering everyone in my immediate age group is a millennial. The only reason 1997 is excluded is because they weren’t in elementary school (kindergarten)on 9/11. Other than that 1997 is culturally a late millennial in my opinion.


You are wrong as usual. 9/11 is far from the only reason why 1997 babies are considered as Gen Z. If 9/11 was the only thing that separate 1997 babies from millennials,then I could see 1997 babies as Y/Z cusper,however, that's obviously not the case. There's many reasons why 1997 babies are fully early Gen Z. For example,they have no real memories of Web 1.0 contrary that to what you believe.They also had vague or even no memories of pre YouTube. They were still Elementary after the release of the iphone,so again contrary to what you said,1997 babies did grew up during the iphone era,just as older children They also spent the Electropop era during their later childhood instead of their teenage years. They Graduated High School after Donald Trump became poplar,solidifying people your age/class as the oldest pure/non cusp Gen Zers. How can 1997 even be a cusper between millennial and Gen Z,let alone a millennial when 1997 babies on average had strictly Gen Z experiences?Also 1997 babies being mathematically closer to mid 90s babies mean nothing. Late 90s babies on average are more related to early 2000s babies than they are related to mid 90s babies.

Why would people say someone born in 1999 isn't Gen Y? Very strange.

The cut off is 96 tbh.

1999 as a birth year is pretty Gen Z to me. Very few people born in that year seem millennial to at all, and nearly everyone i’ve met born in that year knows Gen Z trends/culture deeper than people born just a few years ago do. There are a few people that slip through the cracks but this is just something i noticed in general. I mean my brother (late 99) was in middle school when the iPhone 6 came out.

The cut off is 96 tbh.


I beg to differ. But since everyone agrees on that year (mainly because of Pew research center which is a skewed definition) I’ll let it be. All I can say is that if 1996 babies are millennials than so are 1997 babies

You are wrong as usual. 9/11 is far from the only reason why 1997 babies are considered as Gen Z. If 9/11 was the only thing that separate 1997 babies from millennials,then I could see 1997 babies as Y/Z cusper,however, that's obviously not the case. There's many reasons why 1997 babies are fully early Gen Z. For example,they have no real memories of Web 1.0 contrary that to what you believe.They also had vague or even no memories of pre YouTube. They were still Elementary after the release of the iphone,so again contrary to what you said,1997 babies did grew up during the iphone era,just as older children They also spent the Electropop era during their later childhood instead of their teenage years. They Graduated High School after Donald Trump became poplar,solidifying people your age/class as the oldest pure/non cusp Gen Zers. How can 1997 even be a cusper between millennial and Gen Z,let alone a millennial when 1997 babies on average had strictly Gen Z experiences?Also 1997 babies being mathematically closer to mid 90s babies mean nothing. Late 90s babies on average are more related to early 2000s babies than they are related to mid 90s babies.


Michael let this fight go, you aren’t getting paid enough hun.

Most don't honestly since it was a political event, and even if they did, they still wouldn't have grasped the outcome of that tragedy. As I mentioned before, 9/11 impacted Gen Xers on average than Millennials than we ever thought.

How though? The late 90s is when the Millennial youth culture became mainstream, with some details starting as early as 1994/95. I mean come on, in 1996 the median high schooler was 1980/81. Is that not Millennial (although the very, very first) for you? As for the core, the center would be a little older than that. You have to remember that the 2000s are the central youth for Millennials. I suggest you look at photos of young people from that time (including the early 00s). It captures the era very well. The mid-80s folks are just as much a millennial as their younger counterparts. The first half of the 90’s babies would generally be considered the last rather than the pivot while the first half of the 80s people are universally the oldest. Where do you start the Millennial generation? That could make this discussion more clear.

No, not really. They are culturally Millennial. The celebrities I mentioned scream the generation more than Gen X. They would have been in high school in the second half of the 90s, and they would have used the early social media sites during that time too. The first election they voted in was in 2000, which is then seen as the start of Millennial voters. Plus, the Columbine massacre was a significant event to them as it happened before they graduated.

I disagree. It is one of the first few Millennial films. Most Millennials may have been too young to watch the movie at first hand, but the oldest (who it was targeted at) saw it in theaters. No, they weren't in their adolescence during those musical trends. Grunge was an early 90s thing and was an adult craze that they were too young to participate in back then. Same with NJS, they were children during the prime of that era. Paris Hilton is clearly a Millennial. Her image comes off as one.


Honestly a lot of my high school class remembered where we were on that day. 9/11 was more than a political event. I’m sure a 4 years old watching the news that day or better yet living in NYC on 9/11 will remember what they seen that morning. I mean it’s something that you can’t forget, the adults panicking, the screaming and crying, seeing all that smoke fuming through the buildings and seeing the second plane crash. I remember it vividly and I’m sure others who were exposed to it do as well.Like I said we’re talking about remembering 9/11 not necessarily understanding it. A 4 years ild would still be capable of understanding 9/11 partially.  Also I agree that gen x was affected by 9/11 way more.

1996 is like a core Gen X year. Movies like Scream, The Craft, Birdcage, etc is apart of gen X culture. You are intertwining kid culture with pop culture. Millennial culture in 1996 would have been Matilda, Space Jam, The macarena, etc. you keep saying that the 2000’s was the youth culture of the millennials in which I agree, however people born in the late 70’s and very early 80’s were adults for all of the 2000’s. They were the entrepreneurs if the decade (Britney, Xtina, Nsync, BSB, Beyonce, etc.) but that doesn’t mean they are millennials. Michael Jackson, Whitney Huston and Madonna were all boomers yet they are glorified as the epitome of gen X culture. Just because the artists of the late 90’s/early 2000’s were famous during the youth era of the millennium doesn't qualify them as millennials. Paris Hilton’s image as a 24 year old in 2004 was glorified by millennials but that doesn’t make her a millennial just like Madonnas image didnt make her gen x.

Also American Pie definitely portrays Gen X/Xennial culture more so than millennial culture. The purpose of the film was supposed to depict what high school was like in the late 90’s during the evolution of internet technology, pornography and culture of the new millennium. Compare American Pie to Mean Girls or even Bring it on.

Adolescence begins at age 10 anyone born from 1980-1981 would have been in their adolescence m/ preteen years in 1991 and would have been a teenager when Gringe peaked in 1994. Jessica_Ann is a prime example. She even posted photos of herself from that time frame. Purely a gen x woman right there. Grunge was glorified by high school and college students and started off in the early 90’s and then post grunge became a thing.
Personally I think the millennial gen starts in 1982/1983. They were the first to graduate in the new millennium. Also columbine was significant that is true, but it did not affect an entire generation. I highly doubt high schools in cali were affected by it.

@Disney

All I have to say is, define yourself for who you see yourself as. Instead of getting flustered when people have certain opinion of you that differs from how you see yourself, just simply don't allow anyone to define you. Once you stop giving a damn, you'd have much more confidence in who you are. In other words, if you want to consider yourself a Millennial, then just call yourself a Millennial, and stop spamming old ass threads (here and on other sites) trying to prove that to be the case. Because, at the end of the day, this generational crap doesn't really matter in real-life dude (or hun.... idk :-\\). It just comes off to me (and others) that you're insecure with yourself, so you seek others for acceptance and for confirmation bias for your personal ideas. It overall comes off as petty and childish.

@Disney

All I have to say is, define yourself for who you see yourself as. Instead of getting flustered when people have certain opinion of you that differs from how you see yourself, just simply don't allow anyone to define you. Once you stop giving a damn, you'd have much more confidence in who you are. In other words, if you want to consider yourself a Millennial, then just call yourself a Millennial, and stop spamming old ass threads (here and on other sites) trying to prove that to be the case. Because, at the end of the day, this generational crap doesn't really matter in real-life dude (or hun.... idk :-\\). It just comes off to me (and others) that you're insecure with yourself, so you seek others for acceptance and for confirmation bias for your personal ideas. It overall comes off as petty and childish.


Lol so because I’m defending my opinions and debating about pop culture as everyone else is doing here I’m insecure about my identity? Also I’m not seeking validation or confirmation bias, I simply state my personal experiences within an era and people will comment and I respond back. And when ever someone challenges my ideas about a generation, I always provide a link to stats. I never debate unless I know I can back my claims up. This is what this forum is about, to talk about pop culture and debate about it. If I’m childish you are even more childish to respond to something you find “petty”. It’s ironic how we were debating about Xennial culture and when I disagreed with you, you got flustered and invalidated my response by stating “You don’t know what you’re talking about” and then try to reverse the card on me for stating my own opinions. I never once invalidated your ideas or opinions which sucks because you were the one poster I agreed with the most on this site and related to in terms of experiences.

People have different opinions and that’s fine, we should all have the opportunity to share them. I’m not flustered, I just get very annoyed and agitated when people turn their opinions into an attack. My last post was locked because there were a few gatekeepers trying to invalidate a few people within my age bracket. Take that discussion up with Xenue (if that’s how you spell it), dj, and xodus. You should tell the others on here that too if that’s the case. Every time I make a point people come at me with that same rhetoric. Whenever I question their reasoning or show different cultural references as to why I feel a certain way, they either A) never respond or B) tell me I’m invalid without stating why or providing facts...

I kinda don’t care how I come off to you or anyone else tbh, in fact the only reason I may come off that way to you or others on here is because I stand my ground and bring up points that people may disagree with and when I share my side it probably comes off as being a “know it all”.What pisses me off is how people try to invalidate others on here and that’s not right. I consider myself a millennial sure. But when I do people will be quick to tell me I’m not which ends up turning into a 90’s kid vs 2000’s kid debate. Whatever I’ll delete my account and I won’t post on this site anymore. Take care to everyone. It was fun while it lasted :)

I don't think I have anything in common with those born in '99. Those born in '97 are a little iffy to me.

Lol so because I’m defending my opinions and debating about pop culture as everyone else is doing here I’m insecure about my identity? Also I’m not seeking validation or confirmation bias, I simply state my personal experiences within an era and people will comment and I respond back. And when ever someone challenges my ideas about a generation, I always provide a link to stats. I never debate unless I know I can back my claims up. This is what this forum is about, to talk about pop culture and debate about it. If I’m childish you are even more childish to respond to something you find “petty”. It’s ironic how we were debating about Xennial culture and when I disagreed with you, you got flustered and invalidated my response by stating “You don’t know what you’re talking about” and then try to reverse the card on me for stating my own opinions. I never once invalidated your ideas or opinions which sucks because you were the one poster I agreed with the most on this site and related to in terms of experiences.

People have different opinions and that’s fine, we should all have the opportunity to share them. I’m not flustered, I just get very annoyed and agitated when people turn their opinions into an attack. My last post was locked because there were a few gatekeepers trying to invalidate a few people within my age bracket. Take that discussion up with Xenue (if that’s how you spell it), dj, and xodus. You should tell the others on here that too if that’s the case. Every time I make a point people come at me with that same rhetoric. Whenever I question their reasoning or show different cultural references as to why I feel a certain way, they either A) never respond or B) tell me I’m invalid without stating why or providing facts...

I kinda don’t care how I come off to you or anyone else tbh, in fact the only reason I may come off that way to you or others on here is because I stand my ground and bring up points that people may disagree with and when I share my side it probably comes off as being a “know it all”.What pisses me off is how people try to invalidate others on here and that’s not right. I consider myself a millennial sure. But when I do people will be quick to tell me I’m not which ends up turning into a 90’s kid vs 2000’s kid debate. Whatever I’ll delete my account and I won’t post on this site anymore. Take care to everyone. It was fun while it lasted :)

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I agree, with the exception with the points in bold.

1. Just because those born in 1980/1981 (which btw, I don't think are necessarily hardcore X nor Millennial anyways, so not representative of neither generations, but I digress) were in high school in the mid-90s, doesn't automatically make those years 'the start of Millennial culture.' In all honesty, there is nothing remotely 'Millennial' about the mid-90s, especially when youth culture is under concern. It was the peak in popularity for Grunge/Post Grunge, 'East v. West Coast' Hip Hop, and Rave music. Hell, Beavis & Butthead was popular on MTV and films like Clerks, Silent Jay & Bob, and Mallrats were popular with teens and young adults. More accurately, the debut of The Spice Girls and The Backstreet Boys internationally during the 1996-1997 school year could be attributed as some of the earliest Millennial/Y influences.

2. I don't think what a celebrity comes off of as 'culturally' really matters in the grand scheme of things. It's entirely reasonable for the youngest of members of a previous generation to be culturally relevant to the oldest (and at many times, to even core members) to those in the subsequent generation. Like in all honesty, do you genuinely believe that just 1981 born celebrities had Millennial characteristics? What about Tom Brady, who was born in 77'? Zooey Deschanel, born in 80'? The 'Property Brothers' Twins, born in 78'? I could go on and on. But the point is, I don't think that matters, at all, because (most people, that is) are not going to say that Late 70s babies are Millennials, because some celebrities happen to had mainly Millennials fans, you catch my drift? I look at members individually about their life experiences, not celebrities that happen to had been born the same year as them. Even then, you're looking at a public image at the end of the day, the image a celebrity wants you to see, not for who that person is, and the experiences that person went through.

3. Finally, that's neither here nor there. 2004 (and especially) 2008, sure, especially since Gen Y/Millennials were much more known by that point and were defined by their political views (their anti-war stance against the Iraq War for 04' and 'Obamania' in 08'). But in 2000? That's a bit of a stretch. Unless you meant, in retrospect, that 2000 was the first 'Millennial election,' then I (although would still disagree with you) could see where you're coming from. However, it seems to me that you're suggesting that, even in 2000, that most people in the media were already talking about 'Millennials voting,' as some of the oldest members (early 80s babies) were voting age at that point, but no offense I find that hard to believe.

But overall, though, I agree. Idk about DisneyRetro, but he comes off as being too insecure about this sh!t.
I apologize if my point was confusing. Yeah, that's what I meant. There was barely any Millennial youth culture in the mid-90s. It began during that time, but it was in tiny quantities since some of the older Millennials were in their adolescence stage. The main one was still Gen X for a few more years. Then, it would transition to Millennials. However, the purpose I noted is that's when teen films targeted Millennials. Yes, Clueless, Empire Records, and Hackers were definitely for Gen Xers. However, Casper, Now & Then, MMPR Movie, and Babysitters Club were clearly for the Millennials. In 1996, there was Wish Upon a Star, Sabrina the Teenage Witch, and possibly Romeo and Juliet. 1997 had Good Burger and the Turbo Power Rangers movie. So, while the youth era in the mid-90s was primarily Gen X, quite a few films were creeping in for Millennials. I agree that Spice Girls and Backstreet Boys were the earliest Millennial musical prominences, though. Plus, there were the singers, Brandy and Aaliyah, during that time as well, who had a few tracks when the oldest Millennials were adolescents.

No. Not at all. I believe there are celebrities older than them who have Millennial traits as well, and quite a decent amount show them. It's just that it's puzzling when some people place them as Gen X, (although the very last) when their character doesn't match that generation. If anything, if we were to use a generational cusp, I would put it with those who were born during the Carter era. Those are the folks who would have used the early social media either in high school or college. They (as well as some of the oldest Millennials) were the target audience for films such as American Pie, "Can't Hardly Wait," Get Real, Varsity Blues, She's All That, Cruel Intentions and "10 things I Hate About You". Their prime clubbing days were in the 2000s, and they were the main participants in the various dating reality shows (Blind Date, 5th Wheel, Elimidate, Temptation Island and EX-treme Dating).

Yeah, that's what I meant. Sorry for the confusion. The 2000 presidential election was the first where Millennials were eligible to vote, although they were small quantities. This was predominantly the last one where Gen Xers still had a fair shot at changing the direction of the country as the next two would not only have more Millennial eligible voters, they would have their voices heard due to the unfortunate circumstances that took place later.

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Honestly, a lot of my high school class remembered where we were on that day. 9/11 was more than a political event. I’m sure four-year-olds watching the news that day or better yet living in NYC on 9/11 will remember what they saw that morning. I mean, it’s something that you can’t forget. The adults were panicking, screaming, and crying, seeing all that smoke fuming through the buildings and seeing the second plane crash. I remember it vividly, and I’m sure others who were exposed to it do as well. As I said, we’re talking about remembering 9/11, not necessarily understanding it. Four-year-olds would still be capable of understanding 9/11 partially.  Also, I agree that gen x was affected by 9/11 way more.

1996 is like a core Gen X year. Movies like Scream, The Craft, Birdcage, etc. are apart of gen X culture. You are intertwining kid culture with pop culture. Millennial culture in 1996 would have been Matilda, Space Jam, The macarena, etc. You keep saying that the 2000s was the youth culture of the millennials in which I agree, however people born in the late ’70s and very early ’80s were adults for all of the 2000s. They were the entrepreneurs if the decade (Britney, Xtina, Nsync, BSB, Beyonce, etc.), but that doesn’t mean they are millennials. Michael Jackson, Whitney Huston, and Madonna were all boomers, yet they are glorified as the epitome of gen X culture. Just because the artists of the late 90’s/the early 2000s were famous during the youth era of the millennium doesn't qualify them as millennials. Millennials glorified Paris Hilton's image as she was a 23-year-old in 2004. However, that doesn’t make her a millennial, just like Madonna's facade didn't make her Gen X.

Also, American Pie portrays Gen X/Xennial culture more so than millennial culture. The purpose of the film was supposed to depict what high school was like in the late ’90s during the evolution of internet technology, pornography, and culture of the new millennium. Compare American Pie to Mean Girls or even Bring it on.

Adolescence begins at age 10. Anyone born from 1980-1981 would have their youth m/ preteen years in 1991 and would have been a teenager when Grunge peaked in 1994. Jessica_Ann is a prime example. She even posted photos of herself from that time frame. Purely a gen x woman right there. Grunge was glorified by high school and college students and started in the early ’90s, and then posted grunge became a thing.
I think the millennial gen starts in 1982/1983. They were the first to graduate in the new millennium. Also, columbine was significant. That is true, but it did not affect an entire generation. I highly doubt high schools in Cali were affected by it.
Well, you're right. Four-year-olds (mainly if they lived in NY, Virginia, and Pennsylvania) did witness the attacks and that it hit them directly. There is a chance the rest outside those states saw it live on TV and a likelihood they all remember 9/11. However, I still disagree they had capabilities to even partially understood the event.

Yeah, 1996 is part of the primary Gen X era; however, you can't deny there were small traces of Millennial culture creeping in that year too (and even in 1995). If you're placing 1982/83 as the start, they already would have been in their adolescent stage by then. I mean, do you consider the groups' Spice Girls and Backstreet Boys to be part of the end of Gen X culture? Which, in turn, I have a question. What year do you end Gen X culture?

Yeah, the 2000s were the crucial youth period for Millennials; however, they weren't just teens during that time; they were adults as well. They made headlines in the 2004 and '08 elections, and there were books based on them throughout the decade too.

As I mentioned before, the film portrays more of a Millennial (although the older ones) culture. The movies that described Gen Xers in the late 90s were Nowhere, Chasing Amy, There's Something About Mary, The Big Lebowski, and Fight Club.

Yeah, I've seen her photos and all, but that doesn't mean she is a pure Gen Xer. She has some Millennial traits. As for the rest of 1980/81, their prime adolescence took place in the Clinton years and during the emerging of the internet and Web. Plus, they would have had certain musical groups during their HS era, and they couldn't even vote for Bill Clinton either. Their first presidential election to vote in was 2000.

Columbine did change the country. I think you're underestimating how much that incident caused. After the shooting, there was security placed at most schools, and weapons were banned from being on campus. Zero tolerance had more restrictions. Encouragement for mental health and violence prevention increased. Pranks pretty much were outlawed in schools. Altercations, as well as teasing others, equaled a suspension.

Well, you're right. Four-year-olds (mainly if they lived in NY, Virginia, and Pennsylvania) did witness the attacks and that it hit them directly. There is a chance the rest outside those states saw it live on TV and a likelihood they all remember 9/11. However, I still disagree they had capabilities to even partially understood the event.

Yeah, 1996 is part of the primary Gen X era; however, you can't deny there were small traces of Millennial culture creeping in that year too (and even in 1995). If you're placing 1982/83 as the start, they already would have been in their adolescent stage by then. I mean, do you consider the groups' Spice Girls and Backstreet Boys to be part of the end of Gen X culture? Which, in turn, I have a question. What year do you end Gen X culture?

Yeah, the 2000s were the crucial youth period for Millennials; however, they weren't just teens during that time; they were adults as well. They made headlines in the 2004 and '08 elections, and there were books based on them throughout the decade too.

As I mentioned before, the film portrays more of a Millennial (although the older ones) culture. The movies that described Gen Xers in the late 90s were Nowhere, Chasing Amy, There's Something About Mary, The Big Lebowski, and Fight Club.

Yeah, I've seen her photos and all, but that doesn't mean she is a pure Gen Xer. She has some Millennial traits. As for the rest of 1980/81, their prime adolescence took place in the Clinton years and during the emerging of the internet and Web. Plus, they would have had certain musical groups during their HS era, and they couldn't even vote for Bill Clinton either. Their first presidential election to vote in was 2000.

Columbine did change the country. I think you're underestimating how much that incident caused. After the shooting, there was security placed at most schools, and weapons were banned from being on campus. Zero tolerance had more restrictions. Encouragement for mental health and violence prevention increased. Pranks pretty much were outlawed in schools. Altercations, as well as teasing others, equaled a suspension.


I mean I understood 9/11 to a point where I knew someone was doing something bad on purpose and i knew people died. 4 years olds understand death. If a 4 year old can count to 100 and is bilingual I’m sure telling them “these were the two largest buildings in the world, bad people attacked them with planes and tons of ppl died” I’m sure they would understand. But i’m not gonna defend that argument because it’s like beating a dead horse. All I can say is that I live in CA and remember that day vividly. Rather that places me in a generation or not ? Who cares at this point.

In the states Spice girls and the Backstreet boys didn’t come out till 1997 and even BSB’s first album sounds a little Gen x if you listen to the entire album. also every member in BSB is gen x.  Nsync and Britney came out in 1998 here in the US. I say 2000 is when Gen X/xennial culture ended, xennials and Gen X were the entrepreneurs of Y2k fashion and party/club culture not millennials. Millennials were kids and teens in 2000 Where as the oldest millennal (A Xennial) was already an adult.

Also I truly believe that the millennials that voted in 2000 were still largely influenced by Gen X similar to Gen Z in 2016. Most of Gen Z is more  conservative than Gen Y however most of 1997/1998 who voted were all democratic. We really cant say till 2020 when those born in 1999-2002 vote. Also generations are more cultural than political.

As for Columbine i’m not invalidating how big it was but I feel that when columbine  happened it opened up a new era in our country. People were worried about school shootings and bombings way more than ever before. But most of everyone born in 1980/1981 had lived all of their high school years before it and graduated a month after it happened before any type of change you listed occurred.

In the states, Spice Girls and the Backstreet Boys didn’t come out till 1997. Even BSB’s first album sounds a little Gen x if you listen to the entire collection. Also, every member of the BSB is gen x.  Nsync and Britney came out in 1998 here in the US. I say 2000 was when Gen X/xennial culture ended, xennials and Gen X were the entrepreneurs of Y2k fashion and party/club culture, not millennials. Millennials were kids and teens in 2000 Whereas the oldest millennials (A Xennial) was already an adult.

Also, I genuinely believe that the millennials that voted in 2000 were still primarily influenced by Gen X, similar to Gen Z in 2016. Most of Gen Z is more conservative than Gen Y; however, most of 1997/1998 who voted were all democratic. We really can't say till 2020 when those born in 1999-2002 vote. Also, generations are more cultural than political.

As for Columbine, I’m not invalidating how big it was, but I feel that when Columbine happened, it opened up a new era in our country. People were worried about school shootings and bombings way more than ever before. But most of everyone born in 1980/1981 had lived all of their high school years before it and graduated a month after it happened before any change you listed occurred.
Right they are Gen Xers, but you can't deny both groups ushered in the Millennial youth culture around that time. I mean, the oldest Millennials were in high school by that point. Besides, it wasn't just music that started the Millennial culture. Even films such as Casper, Now & Then, Wish Upon a Star, Sabrina, the Teenage Witch, and Good Burger brought in a new era too.

If 2000 is the end of Gen X/xennial culture, where do you begin the Millennial culture? It would be strange if it began anytime later since I mentioned before that decade was the main period for them.

I read that's false about Gen Z being more conservative. They're possibly more split in political views than anything. I also disagree with your last statement of that paragraph. Politics plays a role in shaping generations. It's why the 1960s and '70s are seen as the period where Boomers made significant progress.

It did kick off a new period, but at the time, they were still rare. There weren't a lot of notable bombings and shootings in the 2000s, aside from a few. They didn't return with a vengeance until the one in the Colorado theater occurred.

Right they are Gen Xers, but you can't deny both groups ushered in the Millennial youth culture around that time. I mean, the oldest Millennials were in high school by that point. Besides, it wasn't just music that started the Millennial culture. Even films such as Casper, Now & Then, Wish Upon a Star, Sabrina, the Teenage Witch, and Good Burger brought in a new era too.

If 2000 is the end of Gen X/xennial culture, where do you begin the Millennial culture? It would be strange if it began anytime later since I mentioned before that decade was the main period for them.

I read that's false about Gen Z being more conservative. They're possibly more split in political views than anything. I also disagree with your last statement of that paragraph. Politics plays a role in shaping generations. It's why the 1960s and '70s are seen as the period where Boomers made significant progress.

It did kick off a new period, but at the time, they were still rare. There weren't a lot of notable bombings and shootings in the 2000s, aside from a few. They didn't return with a vengeance until the one in the Colorado theater occurred.


Yes but casper and good burger were kid cultured show not youth/adolescent culture. Which is what you are intertwining. Millennials KID culture started as early as the late 80’s and early 90’s with Rugrats, Rocko’s Modern life, All that, etc.

I place Millennial culture in the very late 90’s. Around 1998/1999. However two cultures can co-exist especially in a transitional phase.Y2k era/culture was the xennial youth period. Millennials were kids on average.

As for columbine, your original statement was that it changed our country’s school system and I agree.

Yes but casper and good burger were kid cultured show not youth/adolescent culture. Which is what you are intertwining. Millennials KID culture started as early as the late 80’s and early 90’s with Rugrats, Rocko’s Modern life, All that, etc.

I place Millennial culture in the very late 90’s. Around 1998/1999. However two cultures can co-exist especially in a transitional phase.Y2k era/culture was the xennial youth period. Millennials were kids on average.

As for columbine, your original statement was that it changed our country’s school system and I agree.


I think what NerdyGamer is trying to insinuate is that, the late 90s in youth culture (especially late 1998/1999) were not X in the slightest. Hence why it wouldn't be considered 'Xennial' anymore, and I happen to agree with that.

I think what NerdyGamer is trying to insinuate is that, the late 90s in youth culture (especially late 1998/1999) were not X in the slightest. Hence why it wouldn't be considered 'Xennial' anymore, and I happen to agree with that.


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Yes, but Casper and good burger were cultured kid shows, not youth/adolescent culture. Which is what you are intertwining. Millennials KID culture started as early as the late ’80s and early ’90s with Rugrats, Rocko’s Modern Life, All that, etc.

I place Millennial culture in the very late ’90s around 1998/1999. However, two pop cultures can co-exist, especially in a transitional phase. Y2k era/culture was the xennial youth period. Millennials were kids on average.

As for columbine, your original statement was that it changed our country’s school system, and I agree.
Well, both co-existed at the same time. Yes, you're right that Millennials' childhood culture was still at large during the second half of the '90s. However, remember that Millennials' youth culture rose during that time, too. The oldest of the generation was already in their adolescent stage.

I disagree. Millennials weren't typically children anymore by the time the Y2K age hit. The 1990 folks and before were all ten and above during that time. That is why the Y2K period is considered to be part of the millennial youth era rather than the Xennial one.


I think what NerdyGamer is trying to mention is that the late 90s in youth culture (especially late 1998/1999) were not X in the slightest. Hence why it wouldn't be considered 'Xennial' anymore, and I happen to agree with that.
Yes, that's what I was saying. I couldn't imagine Millennial youth culture becoming mainstream anytime later than that. The name of the generation refers to growing up in the New Millennium. And that the late 90s were all about the excitement and preparation for that period.

Millennials in the year 2000 were not the influencers of y2k culture is what I’m trying to tell you,late Gen X and Xennials were hence youth culture! Millennials were the audience/ demographic of what late gen x’era and Xennials were producing. Millennial kid culture is more accentuated in the y2k era amongst millennials such as gameboy color, pokemon, hit clips, britney, nsync, etc. You mean to tell me Dr. Dre’s 2001 album (1999) is millennial culture? Also I keep adding in Xennials for a reason mainly because Y2k was peak late gen x and early millennial youth culture. The bulk of millennials were either in elementary school, middle school or In high school by 2000 which was the core age demographic for teen pop, and teenage trends which progressed in the early to mid 2000’’s. Meanwhile gen x and Xennials partied like it was 1999. Millennial youth culture began to integrate into pop culture in 1998 but that doesn’t mean Gen X culture was completely wiped off the map in 1998. The youth culture for millennials took place more so in the 2000’s tan in the 90’s.

It's weird that this is a thing now because I remember back in 2015, everyone on the internet was like "If you were born after 97, I can't relate to you, you're alien" or "Oh god, imagine nostalgia for Minecraft, iCarly, and Adventure Time years from now, ugghhhh."

But now you've got people saying "Born 1998-2003 gang RISE UP" and "Minecraft, iCarly, and Adventure Time were my childhood" in memes. Which I guess shows this is all an endless cycle of age-gatekeeping, and getting up the metaphorical nostalgia staircase then sealing it off to people down lower, lol.

I hope this cycle ends. No one deserves to be hated on because of the year they were born. People also need to recognize that every generation has good and bad things.

It's a neverending cycle because now you've got older zoomers who grew up on Minecraft hating younger Zoomers who play Fortnite, lol.

Millennials in the year 2000 were not the influencers of y2k culture is what I’m trying to tell you, late Gen X and Xennials were hence youth culture! Millennials were the audience/ demographic of what late gen x’s era and Xennials were producing. Millennial kid culture is more accentuated in the y2k era amongst millennials such as GameBoy color, pokemon, hit clips, Britney, Nsync, etc. Do you mean to tell me Dr. Dre’s 2001 album (1999) is a millennial culture? Also, I keep adding in Xennials for a reason mainly because Y2k was peak late gen x and early millennial youth culture. The bulk of millennials were either in elementary school, middle school, or high school by 2000, which was the core age demographic for teen pop and teenage trends, which progressed in the early to mid 2000’’s.
Meanwhile, gen x and Xennials partied like it was 1999. Millennial youth culture began to integrate into pop culture in 1998, but that doesn’t mean Gen X culture was utterly wiped off the map in 1998. The youth culture for millennials took place more so in the 2000’s tan in the ’90s.
No. It isn't. Millennials' childhood culture was more prevalent in the '90s, as that's when all of them were kids at one time. As Y2K came, they were primarily teens with some as adults and the rest still children.

No, and it never was. That album was definitely for Gen Xers even if Millennials listened to it when it was popular. I admit there was some music targeted at Xers during that period, but it wasn't much as you think. Same with movies and TV shows. The Y2K era was more Millennial based.

I think Millennial youth culture integrated in the mid-90s, although again, it was in minimal amounts. I agree the culture of that period was still predominantly Gen X.
The late 90s was when it was modestly increased to where the generational youth culture was mixed. However, it would become more Millennial overtime as Gen Xers aged out of the audience. The 2000s was the central period for Millennials, and the early 10s would be the end.

Millennials in the year 2000 were not the influencers of y2k culture is what I’m trying to tell you,late Gen X and Xennials were hence youth culture! Millennials were the audience/ demographic of what late gen x’era and Xennials were producing. Millennial kid culture is more accentuated in the y2k era amongst millennials such as gameboy color, pokemon, hit clips, britney, nsync, etc. You mean to tell me Dr. Dre’s 2001 album (1999) is millennial culture? Also I keep adding in Xennials for a reason mainly because Y2k was peak late gen x and early millennial youth culture. The bulk of millennials were either in elementary school, middle school or In high school by 2000 which was the core age demographic for teen pop, and teenage trends which progressed in the early to mid 2000’’s. Meanwhile gen x and Xennials partied like it was 1999. Millennial youth culture began to integrate into pop culture in 1998 but that doesn’t mean Gen X culture was completely wiped off the map in 1998. The youth culture for millennials took place more so in the 2000’s tan in the 90’s.


Both the pop and rock were geared towards Millennials. Millennials listened to it. I remember the late 90s era and Millennials were listening to rock bands from Gen X. It's like how 80s music was geared towards Gen X but groups like Duran Duran were Boomers. It's like saying Gen X never listened to Styx or David Bowie. They did. It's stupid to deny it.

Both the pop and rock were geared towards Millennials. Millennials listened to it. I remember the late 90s era and Millennials were listening to rock bands from Gen X. It's like how 80s music was geared towards Gen X but groups like Duran Duran were Boomers. It's like saying Gen X never listened to Styx or David Bowie. They did. It's stupid to deny it.


Long time no see, welcome back!

No. It isn't. Millennials' childhood culture was more prevalent in the '90s, as that's when all of them were kids at one time. As Y2K came, they were primarily teens with some as adults and the rest still children.

No, and it never was. That album was definitely for Gen Xers even if Millennials listened to it when it was popular. I admit there was some music targeted at Xers during that period, but it wasn't much as you think. Same with movies and TV shows. The Y2K era was more Millennial based.

I think Millennial youth culture integrated in the mid-90s, although again, it was in minimal amounts. I agree the culture of that period was still predominantly Gen X.
The late 90s was when it was modestly increased to where the generational youth culture was mixed. However, it would become more Millennial overtime as Gen Xers aged out of the audience. The 2000s was the central period for Millennials, and the early 10s would be the end.


Is the y2k era not apart of the 90’s, I think many people on here agree that Y2k culture started to integrate into US culture by 1997 right ?  You’re not reading my post so this is my last comment. I said that the Y2k era was Xennial (late Gen X early MILLENNIAL) dominated when it comes to the transition of culture during that time. I understand that it wasn’t a gen x period and I agree. I said and I’ll say it again, late gen x and EARLY millennial. You keep disregarding me out of defense, you do realize that you just disagreed with me to agree with everything I had already stated previously right ?

Millennial kid culture was very much glorified in the late 90’s/y2k era as well especially with shows like catdog, hey arnold, The amanda show, the good burger movie , sponge bob, rocket power, dexters lab, johnny bravo, the angry beavers, Powerpuff girls, Pokemon, SailorMoon, etc. all ranging from 1996-2004 also the Most prevalent millennial was under 13 in 1998. If we talk about the heart of the millennial generation (late 80’s and early 90’s babies) most of them were pre teens when the Y2k era started. Most Xennials were already in high school by this time frame

The typical millennial childhood was glorified all throughout the 90’s and even later parts of the 80’s, but specifically in the  Y2K era with the shows that I mentioned and game consoles such as dreamcast, gameboy color, N64, PS1, tamagotchi’s, etc. Yes many 80’s babies were teens in the late 90’s but you are also not mentioning the rest of the cohort who are STRICTLY millennial. There is a reason the term “Xennial” exists. Also there was a lot of gen x culture geared to Gen x in the late 90’s which is why I said the y2k era was the XENNIALS youth period because it was the last era to contain any gen x culture geared to those who were teens and early adults of that time.

Both the pop and rock were geared towards Millennials. Millennials listened to it. I remember the late 90s era and Millennials were listening to rock bands from Gen X. It's like how 80s music was geared towards Gen X but groups like Duran Duran were Boomers. It's like saying Gen X never listened to Styx or David Bowie. They did. It's stupid to deny it.


Never denied that they didn’t listen to it.

Is the y2k era not apart of the ’90s? I think many people here agree that Y2k culture started to integrate into US culture by 1997.  You’re not reading my post, so this is my last comment. I said that the Y2k era was Xennial (late Gen X early MILLENNIAL) dominated when it comes to the transition of culture during that time. I understand that it wasn’t a gen x period, and I agree. I said, and I’ll repeat it, late gen x and EARLY millennial. You keep disregarding me out of defense. You do realize that you just disagreed with me to agree with everything I had already stated previously, right?

Millennial kid culture was very much glorified in the late 90’s/y2k era as well especially with shows like Catdog, Hey Arnold, The Amanda Show, Good Burger, sponge bob, rocket power, dexters lab, johnny bravo, the angry beavers, Powerpuff Girls, Pokemon, SailorMoon, etc. all ranging from 1996-2004 also the Most prevalent millennial was under 13 in 1998. If we talk about the heart of the millennial generation (late 80’s and early 90’s babies), most of them were pre-teens when the Y2k era started. Most Xennials were already in high school by this time frame.

The typical millennial childhood was glorified throughout the 90’s and even later parts of the ’80s, but specifically in the  Y2K era with the shows that I mentioned and game consoles such as Dreamcast, GameBoy Color, N64, PS1, Tamagotchi’s, etc. Yes, many 80’s babies were teens in the late ’90s, but you are also not mentioning the rest of the cohort who are STRICTLY Millennial. There is a reason the term “Xennial” exists. Also, there was a lot of gen x culture geared to Gen x in the late ’90s which is why I said the y2k era was the XENNIALS youth period because it was the last era to contain any gen x culture geared to those who were teens and early adults of that time.
No, not really. The Y2K period was smaller than most people believe. The late 90s were separated from the era.

Well, my bad. I just kept thinking that you considered the Y2K era to be mainly Gen X based on your wording. I already admitted that the period was Xennial anyway. (although more Millennial rooted)

If we are going by the center of the Millennials, then the entire '90s would have explicitly been praised, not the Y2K era. Those shows you mentioned aren't the only ones that Millennials worshipped. They romanticized Ren & Stimpy, Doug, Rugrats, Rocko's Modern Life, TMNT, Batman: TAS, Power Rangers, Dinosaurs, Captain Planet, 2 Stupid Dogs, Spiderman: TAS, Animaniacs, Pinky and the Brain, etc. too.

Where do you start the Millennial childhood era? I ask because the SNES, Sega Genesis, Gamegear, OG GameBoy, Sega CD, Beanie Babies, Pogs, Sega Saturn, TMNT toys, Power Ranger toys, etc. were significant in that period as well.

Yes, there was still Gen X culture during the late 90s, but again it was declining slowly as the Millennial one took it over throughout the period. Here some artifacts that were for Gen Xers at that time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRYZijLZR-Q

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQjKgqg7CnM

https://shotonwhat.com/images/0119809-med.jpg

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1148/8924/products/MPW-113527-a_1024x1024.jpg?v=1556255359

Firstly, can you please explain what 'gatekept' is?
At the beginning of this topic, this image below was what my first thought was.

https://mondrian.mashable.com/wp-content%252Fuploads%252F2015%252F09%252Fbabycages-2.jpg%252Foriginal.jpg

In the end it matters little. Those who worry about gate keeping are just as bad as actual gate keepers. Gate kept or not it doesn't change anything about your age or experience, right? You know and remember what you know and remember. If someone has a problem with you and are trying to act as gate keepers then it's them who are the problem and not you and your birth year.

It's amazing how we were arguing about this stuff 10 years ago with '80s and '90s babies, and these days it's '90s and '00s arguing. There are already arguments about who qualifies as an '00s kid like the '90s kid arguments of the old days.

It's amazing how we were arguing about this stuff 10 years ago with '80s and '90s babies, and these days it's '90s and '00s arguing. There are already arguments about who qualifies as an '00s kid like the '90s kid arguments of the old days.


I wonder what 1983 borns felt about the debate. As a 1993 kid I do count myself as a 2000s kid, but I don't feel I have much in common with a lot of "2000s kid" stuff especially from 2004+. Things changed a lot after 2003/2004, and things changed a lot after 1993/1994 as well.

I wonder what 1983 borns felt about the debate. As a 1993 kid I do count myself as a 2000s kid, but I don't feel I have much in common with a lot of "2000s kid" stuff especially from 2004+. Things changed a lot after 2003/2004, and things changed a lot after 1993/1994 as well.


Yeah, the decade kid debate has gotten so ridiculous to me because of exactly that. There isn't anybody that is only a kid of a particular decade. Like you say, as a 1993 born, you would've obviously have been a kid during the early part of the decade, but by the late '00s you would've been a teen and wouldn't have cared about kid stuff as much. On the other hand, you would've also been a kid during the late '90s too, so you would be at least somewhat a '90s kid.

Even for me, basically a peak '90s kid, I still consider myself to have been a kid during the early '00s. I mean, I was still a junior high school kid for part of that era, and still watching cartoons and kids shows, so it's part of my kid era. And, even though I'm obviously not an '80s kid, I grew up with a lot of '80s stuff during the early years of the '90s too, so that stuff is an important part of my childhood.

It's truly a ridiculous argument because your childhood lasts for more than 10 years, so there's no way that anybody regardless of when they were born can have their childhood be completely part of any single decade.

Yeah, the decade kid debate has gotten so ridiculous to me because of exactly that. There isn't anybody that is only a kid of a particular decade. Like you say, as a 1993 born, you would've obviously have been a kid during the early part of the decade, but by the late '00s you would've been a teen and wouldn't have cared about kid stuff as much. On the other hand, you would've also been a kid during the late '90s too, so you would be at least somewhat a '90s kid.

Even for me, basically a peak '90s kid, I still consider myself to have been a kid during the early '00s. I mean, I was still a junior high school kid for part of that era, and still watching cartoons and kids shows, so it's part of my kid era. And, even though I'm obviously not an '80s kid, I grew up with a lot of '80s stuff during the early years of the '90s too, so that stuff is an important part of my childhood.

It's truly a ridiculous argument because your childhood lasts for more than 10 years, so there's no way that anybody regardless of when they were born can have their childhood be completely part of any single decade.
It's nice to see someone who has a proper perspective on this stuff.

I don't use the " kid" term to describe myself, since it's blurry and means different things to everyone. Rather I look at the years I was 5-10 and say "- was my childhood". Keeps it simpler and more accurate.