Inspired from my last post. It seems like people often get the late 00’s and early 10’s mixed up but I feel like there’s this one year in the early 10s that felt different from the so called “late 00’s-early 10’s hybrid” and that was in 2012 (late 2011) to be exact because I feel like that’s when mid-10’s influences had started coming in. What are your opinions about this topic?

Well....2010 is really a 2000s year. Because, the years begin with "1" as it did in 1 AD which is when the first decade started. It didn't begin with "0". So it goes like this:

2000s:

2001
2002
2003
2004
2005
2006
2007
2008
2009
2010

It's accurately counting from 1 to 10. I learned this when I use to study archaeology years ago. BC was before AD, and the first modern year was 1AD, not 0AD. AD means year 1 after the birth of Christ. Like this(again):

2010s

2011
2012
2013
2014
2015
2016
2017
2018
2019
2020


We are in the year 2018 AD. So the next decade actually begins with year "1"...2021. Our culture has made it so that every decade begins with "0". Which is fine with me. But, it's not accurate.

Well....2010 is really a 2000s year. Because, the years begin with "1" as it did in 1 AD which is when the first decade started. It didn't begin with "0". So it goes like this:

2000s:

2001
2002
2003
2004
2005
2006
2007
2008
2009
2010

It's accurately counting from 1 to 10. I learned this when I use to study archaeology years ago. BC was before AD, and the first modern year was 1AD, not 0AD. AD means year 1 after the birth of Christ. Like this(again):

2010s

2011
2012
2013
2014
2015
2016
2017
2018
2019
2020


We are in the year 2018 AD. So the next decade actually begins with year "1"...2021. Our culture has made it so that every decade begins with "0". Which is fine with me. But, it's not accurate.

Yeah it makes sense that 2010 is the last year of the 2000’s considering the fact there’s no year 0. I don’t know why a “decade” is commonly defined from 0-9 instead of 1-10

2010 had some 2000s fashions

Inspired from my last post. It seems like people often get the late 00’s and early 10’s mixed up but I feel like there’s this one year in the early 10s that felt different from the so called “late 00’s-early 10’s hybrid” and that was in 2012 (late 2011) to be exact because I feel like that’s when mid-10’s influences had started coming in. What are your opinions about this topic?


I agree with 2012.  The end of 2008 through the beginning of 2012 had a similar feel.  Things started to shift some in 2012.  By the end of that year we weren't quite mid '10s yet but there was more and more mid '10s culture coming in.

I always considered the last "late '00s" style song to be popular to be Ludacris - Rest Of My Life.  This song could have come out at any point between 2008 and 2012 and probably would have been more popular had it come out a year or so earlier.

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I agree with 2012.  The end of 2008 through the beginning of 2012 had a similar feel.  Things started to shift some in 2012.  By the end of that year we weren't quite mid '10s yet but there was more and more mid '10s culture coming in.

I always considered the last "late '00s" style song to be popular to be Ludacris - Rest Of My Life.  This song could have come out at any point between 2008 and 2012 and probably would have been more popular had it come out a year or so earlier.

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I saw a post that you made in 2011 saying that it still felt like the late 00’s, how ironic  ;D

I saw a post that you made in 2011 saying that it still felt like the late 00’s, how ironic  ;D


I have a feeling that my opinion is unpopular and may be shut off real quick, but I think that 2012 was the first year that leaned 2010's overall.

Politically, it was when racial tensions (Trayvon Martin) and mass shootings (Chardon High School, Batman theater, Wisconsin Sikh Temple, Sandy Hook) started to become even more of an issue. Not to mention, it was also when Marijuana became legal in Colorado and Washington.

Culturally, indie folk and neo-teen pop started to rise. As of 2018, indie folk is basically an SJW equivalent of NSBM or fashwave.

I agree with 2012.  The end of 2008 through the beginning of 2012 had a similar feel.  Things started to shift some in 2012.  By the end of that year we weren't quite mid '10s yet but there was more and more mid '10s culture coming in.

I always considered the last "late '00s" style song to be popular to be Ludacris - Rest Of My Life.  This song could have come out at any point between 2008 and 2012 and probably would have been more popular had it come out a year or so earlier.

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It sounds early 2010s, but not late 2000s at all since 2008-2009 were still heavily influenced by the R'n'B domination in good 2000s fashion despite the electronized sound progressivily being applied aka what I like to call "Electro-R'n'B" that was more or less out by 2010.
https://youtu.be/5sMKX22BHeE
https://youtu.be/4m48GqaOz90
https://youtu.be/z_aC5xPQ2f4
https://youtu.be/pBI3lc18k8Q

Also, do I have to remind y'all that one of the biggest hits of 2008 was a freaking CRUNK song?
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How more 2000s can you get :D?

I still don't understand how 2010 is a "2000s" year. I mean sure, the early part does have many late 2000s leftovers but when summer came, it was more 2010s than 2000s. Even in late 2009, it didn't felt very 2000s. You got stuff like Adventure Time, Ipads, Justin Bieber, The Walking Dead, The death of Emo, Bruno Mars, Glee, and Drake. These completely overshadowed the late 2000s trends. Racial tensions and shootings were always an issue for a long time, it didn't suddenly appeared in the 2010s. I saw undercuts in 2010, not a lot but I saw a couple. 2011 is 100% 2010s.

Well....2010 is really a 2000s year. Because, the years begin with "1" as it did in 1 AD which is when the first decade started. It didn't begin with "0". So it goes like this:

2000s:

2001
2002
2003
2004
2005
2006
2007
2008
2009
2010

It's accurately counting from 1 to 10. I learned this when I use to study archaeology years ago. BC was before AD, and the first modern year was 1AD, not 0AD. AD means year 1 after the birth of Christ. Like this(again):

2010s

2011
2012
2013
2014
2015
2016
2017
2018
2019
2020


We are in the year 2018 AD. So the next decade actually begins with year "1"...2021. Our culture has made it so that every decade begins with "0". Which is fine with me. But, it's not accurate.

It has to do with the way we name our decades than really any historical accuracy. It's kind of silly to consider 2020 part of the twenty-tens, just how it will be to consider 1990 part of the eighties.

It has to do with the way we name our decades than really any historical accuracy. It's kind of silly to consider 2020 part of the twenty-tens, just how it will be to consider 1990 part of the eighties.

That would technically be the "199th Decade", which is not necessarily the same period as the nineteen eighties. They just have nine calendar years in common (1981 through 1989).

It has to do with the way we name our decades than really any historical accuracy. It's kind of silly to consider 2020 part of the twenty-tens, just how it will be to consider 1990 part of the eighties.


Yeah lol ;D. Only historians and archaeologists use the "10 year" decades  calendar. But, it IS accurate though. Just thought I'd share.

It sounds early 2010s, but not late 2000s at all since 2008-2009 were still heavily influenced by the R'n'B domination in good 2000s fashion despite the electronized sound progressivily being applied aka what I like to call "Electro-R'n'B" that was more or less out by 2010.
https://youtu.be/5sMKX22BHeE
https://youtu.be/4m48GqaOz90
https://youtu.be/z_aC5xPQ2f4
https://youtu.be/pBI3lc18k8Q

Also, do I have to remind y'all that one of the biggest hits of 2008 was a freaking CRUNK song?
dq6Q_uaJF4k
How more 2000s can you get :D?


I guess I can see what you are saying here.  However, "Flo Rida - Low" was a 2007 holdover that was popular early in 2008 and is about as 2000s as it gets.  It isn't part of the electropop era which began at the very end of 2008.  Most of 2008 was more similar to 2005 than 2011.

I have a feeling that my opinion is unpopular and may be shut off real quick, but I think that 2012 was the first year that leaned 2010's overall.

Politically, it was when racial tensions (Trayvon Martin) and mass shootings (Chardon High School, Batman theater, Wisconsin Sikh Temple, Sandy Hook) started to become even more of an issue. Not to mention, it was also when Marijuana became legal in Colorado and Washington.

Culturally, indie folk and neo-teen pop started to rise. As of 2018, indie folk is basically an SJW equivalent of NSBM or fashwave.

I agree 2012 was the first year that leaned 2010’s overall. People can say whatever about 2009 being the first year that felt more like the 10’s but sometimes it seems like people get early 10’s and core 10’s mixed up. In terms of pop culture, early 10’s and core 10’s are noticeably different but not too different.

I agree 2012 was the first year that leaned 2010’s overall. People can say whatever about 2009 being the first year that felt more like the 10’s but sometimes it seems like people get early 10’s and core 10’s differently. In terms of pop culture, early 10’s and core 10’s are noticeably different but not too different.


Early 2010's: 2009-2015 (in its entirety)

Core 2010's: 2013-2017 - these years are basically this decade's version of 1983-1987 as well as 1992-1996

I agree 2012 was the first year that leaned 2010’s overall. People can say whatever about 2009 being the first year that felt more like the 10’s but sometimes it seems like people get early 10’s and core 10’s differently. In terms of pop culture, early 10’s and core 10’s are noticeably different but not too different.


I would say 2011 was the first year that leaned toward the 2010s culturally, but not so sure politically. I view 2011-2016 as classic 2010s.

I would say 2011 was the first year that leaned toward the 2010s culturally, but not so sure politically. I view 2011-2016 as classic 2010s.


Politically, it leaned towards the 2000's.

The Trayvon Martin incident and the Chardon school shooting, both of which took place in February of 2012, basically started the fundamental problems we would have to face throughout this decade - increased racial tensions and the escalation of mass shootings.

Additionally, in November of 2012, marijuana was declared in Colorado and Washington (recreational sales weren't legal until January 1, 2014 in Colorado and sometime in mid-2014 in Washington though).

Culturally, it was more like the late 2000's than 2013 - electropop was still popular, though a little bit past its peak.

If I had to choose, 2011 leaned a little more 2000's.

2011.

I would say 2011 was the first year that leaned toward the 2010s culturally, but not so sure politically. I view 2011-2016 as classic 2010s.


I would say that the core 2010's were 2013-2017.

2013 was core 2010's culturally, but not really core 2010's politically - 2013 was the last year before SJWs, the alt-right, ISIS, "incels", and Gamergate.

2014-2016 were core 2010's culturally and politically. 2016 is the definitive year of this decade politically and probably even culturally; it seemed to be the year where 2010's fashion trends peaked.

2017 was core 2010's politically (The Berkeley incident, the Portland train incident, and the Charlottesville riots were all incidents that were rooted from the problems people faced politically in 2014-2016) but a little bit less core 2010's culturally than 2014-2016 (hipster glasses were still popular in 2017 but they were declining; undercuts were a lot rarer in the end of 2017 than they were just a year and a half ago)

Politically, it leaned towards the 2000's.

The Trayvon Martin incident and the Chardon school shooting, both of which took place in February of 2012, basically started the fundamental problems we would have to face throughout this decade - increased racial tensions and the escalation of mass shootings.

Additionally, in November of 2012, marijuana was declared in Colorado and Washington (recreational sales weren't legal until January 1, 2014 in Colorado and sometime in mid-2014 in Washington though).

Culturally, it was more like the late 2000's than 2013 - electropop was still popular, though a little bit past its peak.

If I had to choose, 2011 leaned a little more 2000's.

When you’re talking about 2011, are you talking about the whole year still feeling like late 00’s culturally or do you think they’re a certain point in 2011 where things started to lean more to the 10’s? I’m asking you this question because I’m such a curious person.

I would say that the core 2010's were 2013-2017.

2013 was core 2010's culturally, but not really core 2010's politically - 2013 was the last year before SJWs, the alt-right, ISIS, "incels", and Gamergate.

2014-2016 were core 2010's culturally and politically. 2016 is the definitive year of this decade politically and probably even culturally; it seemed to be the year where 2010's fashion trends peaked.

2017 was core 2010's politically (The Berkeley incident, the Portland train incident, and the Charlottesville riots were all incidents that were rooted from the problems people faced politically in 2014-2016) but a little bit less core 2010's culturally than 2014-2016 (hipster glasses were still popular in 2017 but they were declining; undercuts were a lot rarer in the end of 2017 than they were just a year and a half ago)

When you mentioned about the Portland train incident that happened in 2017, I was shooked about what could’ve happened to me that day. I live in Portland and I was planning to take the max train to the mall on the same day the stabbing happened but luckily I ended up not going that day. I still imagined what could’ve happened to me tho

When you’re talking about 2011, are you talking about the whole year still feeling like late 00’s culturally or do you think they’re a certain point in 2011 where things started to lean more to the 10’s? I’m asking you this question because I’m such a curious person.


I was talking about the year as a whole.

When you mentioned about the Portland train incident that happened in 2017, I was shooked about what could’ve happened to me that day. I live in Portland and I was planning to take the max train to the mall on the same day the stabbing happened but luckily I ended up not going that day. I still imagined what could’ve happened to me tho


The guy who did it (Jeremy Joseph Christian) was a full-blown neo-Nazi Odinist.

If you don't know what an Odinist is, they are these "Norse pagans" that worship their race.

Another example is Varg Vikernes; his religion is not the religion of pre-Christian Northern Europeans - his religion, in fact, is the pre-Christian Northern Europeans.

The guy who did it (Jeremy Joseph Christian) was a full-blown neo-Nazi Odinist.

If you don't know what an Odinist is, they are these "Norse pagans" that worship their race.

Another example is Varg Vikernes; his religion is not the religion of pre-Christian Northern Europeans - his religion, in fact, is the pre-Christian Northern Europeans.

I know it was him, I don’t know him personally but I’ve seen him around from time to time but luckily he never gave me any sort of eye contact but I’ve seen him protesting at these random places a lot along with all these other patriots. They’re always protesting in Portland.

I know it was him, I don’t know him personally but I’ve seen him around from time to time but luckily he never gave me any sort of eye contact but I’ve seen him protesting at these random places a lot along with all these other patriots. They’re always protesting in Portland.


Jeremy Joseph Christian's ideology is closer to that of your average Red Ice subscriber than your average 2016 Trump voter - he self-identifies as a white nationalist, he is a Volkisch Heathen (a lot of alt-righters like Lana Lokteff and Weev are volkisch pagans), he is anti-Semitic (he called Eastern European Jews "AshkeNAZIS" and said that he will defend the Nazis if he took part in the Nuremberg Trials. Additionally, he posted anti-Semitic material on social media), and calls for violence against Muslims.

I also believe that he was kicked out of at least one of those rallies because of his views.

Someone like him would have definitely attended the Charlottesville rally.

I was talking about the year as a whole.


Even if 2011 wasn't 2010s politically, the music certainly didn't sound 2000s. I just don't see how songs like We Found Love, Titanium, and Good Feeling can be lumped into the late 2000s. Most 2008 songs sound dated compared to 2011. Even most songs from late 2009 don't even sound like typical 2000s songs.

Even if 2011 wasn't 2010s politically, the music certainly didn't sound 2000s. I just don't see how songs like We Found Love, Titanium, and Good Feeling can be lumped into the late 2000s. Most 2008 songs sound dated compared to 2011. Even most songs from late 2009 don't even sound like typical 2000s songs.

Agreed 100%.

Even if 2011 wasn't 2010s politically, the music certainly didn't sound 2000s. I just don't see how songs like We Found Love, Titanium, and Good Feeling can be lumped into the late 2000s. Most 2008 songs sound dated compared to 2011. Even most songs from late 2009 don't even sound like typical 2000s songs.


I said that electropop was still popular but past its peak.

I can't really see how those songs will fit in 2008 as well.

Jeremy Joseph Christian's ideology is closer to that of your average Red Ice subscriber than your average 2016 Trump voter - he self-identifies as a white nationalist, he is a Volkisch Heathen (a lot of alt-righters like Lana Lokteff and Weev are volkisch pagans), he is anti-Semitic (he called Eastern European Jews "AshkeNAZIS" and said that he will defend the Nazis if he took part in the Nuremberg Trials. Additionally, he posted anti-Semitic material on social media), and calls for violence against Muslims.

I also believe that he was kicked out of at least one of those rallies because of his views.

Someone like him would have definitely attended the Charlottesville rally.

Wow I didn’t even know he was someone who was identified as a white nationalist,I’ve always thought of him as a patriot. With all the information you’ve said about him, it makes a whole lot of sense for what he had did in those railes and his involvement in the max train incident.

Even if 2011 wasn't 2010s politically, the music certainly didn't sound 2000s. I just don't see how songs like We Found Love, Titanium, and Good Feeling can be lumped into the late 2000s. Most 2008 songs sound dated compared to 2011. Even most songs from late 2009 don't even sound like typical 2000s songs.

It’s funny that you mentioned good feeling, that song sounds like it would’ve came out between 2011-early 2014 rather than the late 00’s

When you mentioned about the Portland train incident that happened in 2017, I was shooked about what could’ve happened to me that day. I live in Portland and I was planning to take the max train to the mall on the same day the stabbing happened but luckily I ended up not going that day. I still imagined what could’ve happened to me tho


I didn't know you live in Portland! I'm in Seattle. Its nice to have another northwest friendo around ;)

It’s funny that you mentioned good feeling, that song sounds like it would’ve came out between 2011-early 2014 rather than the late 00’s


We Found Love, Titanium, Someone Like You, Good Feeling and other songs released in 2011 sound like they would came out in the 2011- early 2014 era. They would sound out of place in the late 2000s. Even late 2009 songs such as Sexy Chick, Fireflies, Bad Romance and Whatcha Say would sound out of place in 2007-early 2009

Wow I didn’t even know he was someone who was identified as a white nationalist,I’ve always thought of him as a patriot. With all the information you’ve said about him, it makes a whole lot of sense for what he had did in those railes and his involvement in the max train incident.


Regarding the alt-right, you either have Internet tough guys like Mike Enoch (The Right Stuff), Scott Spencer (Smoloko), and the anonymous guys with frog avatars (these guys are definitely horrible and nasty, but they are less dangerous than the latter because people know that they are losers) or the real legit criminals like Jeremy Joseph Christian, Nathan Damigo, and basically anyone on Red Ice.

Additionally, Mike Enoch looks like your stereotypical Internet tough guy as well - he's very overweight and is very odd looking. Ironically, as one of the most notorious anti-Semites on the Internet, he is married to a Jewish woman.

I am not defending people like Mike Enoch but he is absolutely harmless in comparison with a guy like Nathan Damigo.

We Found Love, Titanium, Someone Like You, Good Feeling and other songs released in 2011 sound like they would came out in the 2011- early 2014 era. They would sound out of place in the late 2000s. Even late 2009 songs such as Sexy Chick, Fireflies, Bad Romance and Whatcha Say would sound out of place in 2007-early 2009


"Sexy Chick" is one of those songs that aren't really late 2000's but at the same time not really early 2010's either.

"Sexy Chick" is one of those songs that aren't really late 2000's but at the same time not really early 2010's either.


Yeah, late 2009-early 2010 is like a special era. Not 2000s enough but not 2010s enough either.

I didn't know you live in Portland! I'm in Seattle. Its nice to have another northwest friendo around ;)

Oh cool. I’ve been to Seattle once and the city itself is pretty unique.

Regarding the alt-right, you either have Internet tough guys like Mike Enoch (The Right Stuff), Scott Spencer (Smoloko), and the anonymous guys with frog avatars (these guys are definitely horrible and nasty, but they are less dangerous than the latter because people know that they are losers) or the real legit criminals like Jeremy Joseph Christian, Nathan Damigo, and basically anyone on Red Ice.

Additionally, Mike Enoch looks like your stereotypical Internet tough guy as well - he's very overweight and is very odd looking. Ironically, as one of the most notorious anti-Semites on the Internet, he is married to a Jewish woman.

I am not defending people like Mike Enoch but he is absolutely harmless in comparison with a guy like Nathan Damigo.


People like Mike Enoch will just whine, complain, and act like racist jerks on the Internet, whereas people like Nathan Damigo try to make their ideology more fashionable and acceptable by putting posters of members wearing preppy clothes and by identifying as a "fraternal organization for European Americans" (for those that do not know the name of the group I am talking about, it is called Identity Evropa).

It should be pretty obvious which one is the scarier of the two.

Depends. Music-wise, there weren't really any holdovers past mid 2010 imo. Songs like "LMFAO" and the whole dubstep craze of 2011-2012 is extremely 2010s to me.

Depends. Music-wise, there weren't really any holdovers past mid 2010 imo. Songs like "LMFAO" and the whole dubstep craze of 2011-2012 is extremely 2010s to me.


I hated dubstep. It was kind of like a precursor to the EDM age that lasted from around 2013 to 2017 (the core 2010's).

LMFAO was the group that did "Party Rock Anthem" and "I'm Sexy and I Know It"; it was not a song.

fAVORITE Song from the 2010's, LMFAO.  It was catchy, but held over until 2011 or 2012.

I hated dubstep. It was kind of like a precursor to the EDM age that lasted from around 2013 to 2017 (the core 2010's).

LMFAO was the group that did "Party Rock Anthem" and "I'm Sexy and I Know It"; it was not a song.

Oh, right ;D.

Depends. Music-wise, there weren't really any holdovers past mid 2010 imo. Songs like "LMFAO" and the whole dubstep craze of 2011-2012 is extremely 2010s to me.

I agree. Musicwise, any songs past 2009 sound like they’re from the 2010’s

While music-wise early-mid 2009 was definitely more rooted into 2000s trends, I would agree that late 2009 kind of started to set off the flavor of the next decade (although agreeably only the first half really). For example "Fireflies" kind of sounds like one of those Indie hits that were huge in 2012-2013, especially in 2013 or 2014 when EDM itself adopted a more quirky or empowering approach.

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The fact that it pre-dated most of the Electropop era amuses me.

While music-wise early-mid 2009 was definitely more rooted into 2000s trends, late 2009 kind of started to set off the flavor of the next decade (although agreeably only the first half really). For example "Fireflies" kind of sounds like one of those Indie hits that were huge in 2012-2013, especially in 2013 or 2014 when EDM itself adopted a more quirky or empowering approach.

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The fact that it pre-dated most of the Electropop era amuses me.


I agree with you but I don't agree with "Fireflies" as being a good example.  While that was his first mainstream song, Owl City was pretty well known in the indietronica scene for a while before that and his album Ocean Eyes was very similar in sound and style to his earlier albums.  He changed up his style quite a bit for his 2011 album All Things Bright and Beautiful which is more commercial and more pop radio friendly than his earlier stuff.  Because of this, I associate Ocean Eyes more with the 2000s.  I can definitely see how those who had not heard of Owl City before "Fireflies" might see it differently though.

2011

2011 to early 2012.

2012 for sure

2011 to early 2012.

How small were the influences in 2011-early 2012 do you think?

2011 was very much a 10's year, however I would say that it was the last year with late 00s holdovers. Artists like Lady Gaga were still in their peak, however core 10s artists like Adele and One Direction became popular this year. I would also say that 2011 along with 2012 were the transition years into the smartphone era. From memory, almost everyone in 2010 still had feature phones but by 2013 they were just a thing of the past.

2011 was very much a 10's year, however I would say that it was the last year with late 00s holdovers. Artists like Lady Gaga were still in their peak, however core 10s artists like Adele and One Direction became popular this year. I would also say that 2011 along with 2012 were the transition years into the smartphone era. From memory, almost everyone in 2010 still had feature phones but by 2013 they were just a thing of the past.


It really depends on your location.

Where I live, I still saw most people with flip phones even in 2011.
2012 was like a bridge year between the flip phone and the smartphone era, but by 2013 basically everyone had a smartphone.

It really depends on your location.

Where I live, I still saw most people with flip phones even in 2011.
2012 was like a bridge year between the flip phone and the smartphone era, but by 2013 basically everyone had a smartphone.


The flip phone era was the mid to late 2000's. The late 2000's to early 2010's was the Blackberry, sliding phone, and early smartphone/iPhone era. Late 2012-present has been the full blown smartphone era. Some people still had flip phones through the mid 2010's, but the era was already over by then.

Decadeology.

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