Title says it all. Some people say no because it began a lot of things we see in modern gaming, for example Halo, and increased focus on online multiplayer (Xbox Live). Others say yes because it was the last generation before HD, heavy DLC, microtransactions, etc. and the last one where there were a lot of cartoony platformers (though they're coming back). Some 6th gen games like Ty the Tasmanian Tiger, Pikmin, Pac Man World 2, Jet Set Radio Future do have a "late retro" kinda vibe, but others like Halo and Half Life 2 have more of an "early modern" vibe.

The Dreamcast is usually considered retro, but the question is of the other four consoles here.

Title says it all. Some people say no because it began a lot of things we see in modern gaming, for example Halo, and increased focus on online multiplayer (Xbox Live). Others say yes because it was the last generation before HD, heavy DLC, microtransactions, etc. and the last one where there were a lot of cartoony platformers (though they're coming back). Some 6th gen games like Ty the Tasmanian Tiger, Pikmin, Pac Man World 2, Jet Set Radio Future do have a "late retro" kinda vibe, but others like Halo and Half Life 2 have more of an "early modern" vibe.

The Dreamcast is usually considered retro, but the question is of the other four consoles here.



it is RETRO

it is RETRO

But what about Halo which people say changed the industry into more of a dudebro one? Is it retro?

But what about Halo which people say changed the industry into more of a dudebro one? Is it retro?


The first 2 halos are

Not yet, but they are getting there. When we get to 2020, then that's when the gen 6 gaming consoles will officially become retro. Well, I guess they could be considered retro now since hardly any of the big retailers sell them (Walmart, Target, Best Buy, etc.). Plus, PS2/Gamecube/Xbox are 2 generations behind the current gen of gaming. I mean, Gamecube and Xbox stopped making games for them in the late 2000s, which was 10 years ago, but PS2, they recently stopped making games for them 5 years ago. Hmm, I wonder why the PS2 had a longer life span?

Not yet, but they are getting there. When we get to 2020, then that's when the gen 6 gaming consoles will officially become retro. Well, I guess they could be considered retro now since hardly any of the big retailers sell them (Walmart, Target, Best Buy, etc.). Plus, PS2/Gamecube/Xbox are 2 generations behind the current gen of gaming. I mean, Gamecube and Xbox stopped making games for them in the late 2000s, which was 10 years ago, but PS2, they recently stopped making games for them 5 years ago. Hmm, I wonder why the PS2 had a longer life span?


6th gen kicked off (fully)
2 months after 9/11 so I would say yes its retro

I personally wouldn't consider them to be retro, but as Star Struck already mentioned, they are getting there. They'll likely be considered retro by the early 20's.

Well, the PS2 was in 2005/6 so I guess you consider it retro.

I would say it is. I remember in 2007 that 4th generation gaming was considerd retro. It had ended just 11 years prior. The same is now true for 6th gen gaming. And boy does it feel retro: talk to anybody about a 6th generation game, and it will feel as if you were speaking of a different era, because it was.

I would say it is. I remember in 2007 that 4th generation gaming was considerd retro. It had ended just 11 years prior. The same is now true for 6th gen gaming. And boy does it feel retro: talk to anybody about a 6th generation game, and it will feel as if you were speaking of a different era, because it was.


The Gamecube and Xbox launched 2 months after 9/11 100% is retro

It's been 17 years since the genre hit its peak in 2001 and 12 years since its peak ended in 2006. People considered the 5th gen retro by late 7th gen (which is odd now that I look back on it) and people considered the 4th gen retro by 6th gen (which again is odd since for example in 2004 the year of 1994 didn't seem so "retro" at the time to the mainstream crowd).

Nowadays everyone talks about the 6th gen with nothing but praise. Gaming was in a different state then it is now.
But what about Halo which people say changed the industry into more of a dudebro one? Is it retro?


I certainly wouldn't call something that looked like THIS as "modern".
https://content.halocdn.com/media/Default/games/halo-combat-evolved/media/hce_001-62d6aca5cf174b1f9921ecf8f1adac06.jpg

Also "dudebro" as nothing to do with "retro". Hell Halo isn't anymore dude bro than Doom was in the 1990s since both involved some dude in armor shooting at aliens/demon monsters. And people are loving the Doom remake despite it literally being just a reimagined Doom people say reminds them of playing the old Doom despite the controls being more modernized (with gameplay that takes some queues from Halo of course).

The Dreamcast is usually considered retro, but the question is of the other four consoles here.


Actually a few years back this wasn't the case. Most people still saw Dreamcast as a "modern-ish" console due to it being the reason the 6th gen started and having the (at the time) new online features that you'd see in consoles from that point onward.

Actually a few years back this wasn't the case. Most people still saw Dreamcast as a "modern-ish" console due to it being the reason the 6th gen started and having the (at the time) new online features that you'd see in consoles from that point onward.


people saw Dreamcast as retro since 2006 lmao

Actually a few years back this wasn't the case. Most people still saw Dreamcast as a "modern-ish" console due to it being the reason the 6th gen started and having the (at the time) new online features that you'd see in consoles from that point onward.

I don't think so. As John said, I remember people thinking the Dreamcast was retro for like the past 10 years. It had always been more associated with the 5th gen among gamers than 6th despite it technically being 6th. It was the last console to be released in the 20th century and the last one to have big emphasis on "arcadey" games, hence why it blended better into the retro scene than the rest of the 6th gen.

I guess it is retro since we are 2 generations (and going to be 3 soon) removed from them.

However, it is weird to consider the PS2 "retro" since I grew up playing it :P.

I guess it is retro since we are 2 generations (and going to be 3 soon) removed from them.

However, it is weird to consider the PS2 "retro" since I grew up playing it :P.
And the fact the ps2 was played well throughout the 7th genoration, so the ps2 feels more recent than the GameCube and Xbox despite being older than those 2 consoles.

And the fact the ps2 was played well throughout the 7th genoration, so the ps2 feels more recent than the GameCube and Xbox despite being older than those 2 consoles.

Yep, true.

people saw Dreamcast as retro since 2006 lmao


How could a console that was only 7 years old at the time be considered retro? ;D

I guess it is retro since we are 2 generations (and going to be 3 soon) removed from them.

However, it is weird to consider the PS2 "retro" since I grew up playing it :P.


If you compare the graphics from the PS2/Xbox/Gamecube era to this era, the graphics have improved a lot. Seriously, look at the first two Halo games. I wouldn't necessarily call them "modern".

Nah, I don't think they're retro yet. The last people who played with them a lot are still in high school, so I feel like they're too recent.

How could a console that was only 7 years old at the time be considered retro? ;D


There were already emulators of Dreamcast and everything by 2004 lmao
it aged really bad

btw I bought Dreamcast in 1999 and by the time Gta 3 came out everyone forgot about Sega Dreamcast,
I was more hype on my new ps2 DVD player than what new dreamcast games were left

There were already emulators of Dreamcast and everything by 2004 lmao
it aged really bad

btw I bought Dreamcast in 1999 and by the time Gta 3 came out everyone forgot about Sega Dreamcast,
I was more hype on my new ps2 DVD player than what new dreamcast games were left

PS2 killed the dreamcast and sega basically, i'm glad the gamecube survived though.

There were already emulators of Dreamcast and everything by 2004 lmao
it aged really bad

btw I bought Dreamcast in 1999 and by the time Gta 3 came out everyone forgot about Sega Dreamcast,
I was more hype on my new ps2 DVD player than what new dreamcast games were left


We also had Wii U emulators by 2015. So I guess by that definition the Wii U is also retro lmao.
Also, just because the console had a smaller user base that doesn't mean its retro. The Dreamcast actually had officially licensed games up until 2007.

We also had Wii U emulators by 2015. So I guess by that definition the Wii U is also retro lmao.
Also, just because the console had a smaller user base that doesn't mean its retro. The Dreamcast actually had officially licensed games up until 2007.


Its not that its the fact that Dreamcast is more looked on with the 5th gen, by late 2001 Dreamcast was a no n factor and no
one was talking about it, only PS2 GC and XBOX, there are also archived posts in here referring to the dreamcast as old school in 2006

Also added to the fact Dreamcast is more of a pre 9/11 tech fad

I guess it is retro since we are 2 generations (and going to be 3 soon) removed from them.

However, it is weird to consider the PS2 "retro" since I grew up playing it :P.


and what about The PS3? I don't think that's far from retro.

and what about The PS3? I don't think that's far from retro.

No, the PS3 isn't retro.

Nell no. The 6th gen will never be retro and is the perfect 3D. Retro is whatever number bits. Can you imagine games getting necessarily "more" 3D? That's not possible. 3D reached its height when characters started more resembling us, the current gen.

Nell no. The 6th gen will never be retro and is the perfect 3D. Retro is whatever number bits. Can you imagine games getting necessarily "more" 3D? That's not possible. 3D reached its height when characters started more resembling us, the current gen.
To most Millennials 6th Gen is seen as modern since most of that generation were teenagers at the time whereas Gen Z were either kids or wasn't born yet, so it depends on age. To me the 6th gen is pretty retro even tho I was at the perfect age to enjoy it since it almost perfectly correlates with my elementary school years.  I think it's going to take longer for the 7th gen to be considered retro since it was such a long generation.

To most Millennials 6th Gen is seen as modern since most of that generation were teenagers at the time whereas Gen Z were either kids or wasn't born yet, so it depends on age. To me the 6th gen is pretty retro even tho I was at the perfect age to enjoy it since it almost perfectly correlates with my elementary school years.  I think it's going to take longer for the 7th gen to be considered retro since it was such a long generation.


I was an early teenager when ps2 first come out and I see it as retro

I would say yeah. I understand this was the era where 3D was perfect, and all the consoles had CDs, but there are many things some people are forgetting. For one, this generation was the last where online gaming was not a thing. Two, the games themselves were the primary focus while music and movies were secondary. Three, the games were finished instead of being half-a*s to where one would have to buy DLC in the next generation to have 100%. Last, this is also arguably the last where a group of friends plays together in the same room since offline multiplayer has become less of a thing over the years. 

I would say yeah. I understand this was the era where 3D was perfect, and all the consoles had CDs, but there are many things some people are forgetting. For one, this generation was the last where online gaming was not a thing. Two, the games themselves were the primary focus while music and movies were secondary. Three, the games were finished instead of being half-a*s to where one would have to buy DLC in the next generation to have 100%. Last, this is also arguably the last where a group of friends plays together in the same room since offline multiplayer has become less of a thing over the years.

I mean it wasn't as popular as it would be from 7th onward, but to say online gaming wasn't a thing in the 6th gen is a lie. This gen had the Sega Channel and Xbox Live.

I mean it wasn't as popular as it would be from 7th onward, but to say online gaming wasn't a thing in the 6th gen is a lie. This gen had the Sega Channel and Xbox Live.
It did, but the only way to access them at that time was that one had to either have dial-up for Dreamcast and broadband for Xbox live. Besides, most games for both consoles (and the PS2 later on) didn't even have online capabilities anyway.

I would say yeah. I understand this was the era where 3D was perfect, and all the consoles had CDs, but there are many things some people are forgetting. For one, this generation was the last where online gaming was not a thing. Two, the games themselves were the primary focus while music and movies were secondary. Three, the games were finished instead of being half-a*s to where one would have to buy DLC in the next generation to have 100%. Last, this is also arguably the last where a group of friends plays together in the same room since offline multiplayer has become less of a thing over the years.
And the last generation were people used Memory Cards.

And the last generation were people used Memory Cards.
That too! I don't know how I forgot them since they were needed to conquer most games.

Interesting points. How do you feel though about people saying the 6th gen shouldn't be retro because Halo changed the game industry and made it more "casualized" and "dudebro" supposedly?

Interesting points. How do you feel though about people saying the 6th gen shouldn't be retro because Halo changed the game industry and made it more "casualized" and "dudebro" supposedly?
While Halo was a huge success and changed the format of the FPS genre, I disagree with those people who say that it changed the game industry. For one, even with Halo, there was still a massive variety of games from racing, puzzle, platformers, fighters, etc. For them to say that Halo changed the game industry and made it more "casualized" and "dudebro" is ignorant. In the gaming world, there has always been casual gamers and hardcore ones. It's just that it depends on the game series and the genre itself. Besides, dudebros are not the only ones who play games. Those you mentioned seeming to forget that nerds/geeks, ladies and those who love video games play them as well. If you think about it, if it weren't for the casual gamers, there most likely would be no Halo (which is a classic) today.

No, the PS3 isn't retro.


didn't it debut 10 years ago?

That too! I don't know how I forgot them since they were needed to conquer most games.



and I still have a couple of them in my draw.

didn't it debut 10 years ago?

The PS3 debuted almost 12 years ago (November 17, 2006 in North America).

However, because of it's technological features and it's only a generation ago, it's not retro. Not yet at least.

didn't it debut 10 years ago?

Yeah but it isn't retro, same with the Wii.

Modern
8th Gen (Switch, Xbox One, PS4, Wii U, Vita, 3DS)

Outmodded
7th Gen (Wii, PS3, Xbox 360, PSP, DS)

Classic
6th Gen (GameCube, Xbox, GBA, PS2, Dreamcast)

Retro
5th Gen (GBC, N64, PS1, Saturn)
4th Gen (Game Gear, SNES, Game Boy, Genesis)

Vintage
3rd Gen (Atari 7800, Master System, NES)
2nd Gen (ColecoVision, Intellivision, Odyssey 2, Atari 2600)
1st Gen (Pong Clones, Odyssey)

Modern
8th Gen (Switch, Xbox One, PS4, Wii U, Vita, 3DS)

Outmodded
7th Gen (Wii, PS3, Xbox 360, PSP, DS)

Classic
6th Gen (GameCube, Xbox, GBA, PS2, Dreamcast)

Retro
5th Gen (GBC, N64, PS1, Saturn)
4th Gen (Game Gear, SNES, Game Boy, Genesis)

Vintage
3rd Gen (Atari 7800, Master System, NES)
2nd Gen (ColecoVision, Intellivision, Odyssey 2, Atari 2600)
1st Gen (Pong Clones, Odyssey)

I feel like consoles released in the 80s aren't really vintage yet, just retro. This is how I would personally classify them:
Modern
8th Gen (Switch, Xbox One, PS4, Wii U, Vita, 3DS)

Outmodded
7th Gen (Wii, PS3, Xbox 360, PSP, DS)
6th Gen (GameCube, Xbox, GBA, PS2, Dreamcast)

Classic
5th Gen (GBC, N64, PS1, Saturn)

Retro
4th Gen (Game Gear, SNES, Game Boy, Genesis)
3rd Gen (Atari 7800, Master System, NES)

Vintage
2nd Gen (ColecoVision, Intellivision, Odyssey 2, Atari 2600)
1st Gen (Pong Clones, Odyssey)

The PS3 debuted almost 12 years ago (November 17, 2006 in North America).

However, because of it's technological features and it's only a generation ago, it's not retro. Not yet at least.


and I still own a PS3, I don't think I'll ever get rid of it.

Nah, I don't think they're retro yet. The last people who played with them a lot are still in high school, so I feel like they're too recent.


Bruh... kids born in the 2000s barely can get a pass growing up with PS2. Let alone Xbox & Gamecube, as they were already phased out in popularity by the late 2000s. You guys are modern era kids in the realm of gaming, and theres nothing wrong with that. People my age are sort of the crossroads between the retro/old school & modern crowd, and the fact that our core childhood years occurred during the 5th/6th generations, the crossroads between retro & modern gaming, is a testament to that.

Bruh... kids born in the 2000s barely can get a pass growing up with PS2. Let alone Xbox & Gamecube, as they were already phased out in popularity by the late 2000s. You guys are modern era kids in the realm of gaming, and theres nothing wrong with that. People my age are sort of the crossroads between the retro/old school & modern crowd, and the fact that our core childhood years occurred during the 5th/6th generations, the crossroads between retro & modern gaming, is a testament to that.


I agree.
To be fair though, if you're using elementary school (k-5) for "core childhood", then you as a 1996 born would've had your core childhood nearly exclusively in the 6th Gen, only with a minuscule 5th Gen underlap since the 6th Gen came into full swing in November 2001 when you would've been about three months into kindergarten, as well as with a bit of a 7th Gen overlap as well, since you would've been in grade 5 when the 7th Gen came into full swing in November 2006.
Sure, the 5th Gen consoles were still relevant and its games were still sold at game stores all throughout the 6th gen up until 2006, but they were well past their heyday by then.

Bruh... kids born in the 2000s barely can get a pass growing up with PS2. Let alone Xbox & Gamecube, as they were already phased out in popularity by the late 2000s. You guys are modern era kids in the realm of gaming, and theres nothing wrong with that. People my age are sort of the crossroads between the retro/old school & modern crowd, and the fact that our core childhood years occurred during the 5th/6th generations, the crossroads between retro & modern gaming, is a testament to that.

I've met a lot of people born in 2000-2003 who had the PS2 as their first console. It was produced till 2013.

Anyways, generally I agree with the general consensus; its retro in the sense that the consoles are already very dated. The Sega Dreamcast will be 19 this year & the PS2 had just turned 18. This was the last generation in which CD/DVD technology was utilized for game formats. Not to mention it was the last generation for proprietary formats found in the Dreamcast (GD-ROMs) & GameCube (Mini-DVDs). Even though online gaming became big & more accessible for most people in this generation, it was really only the Xbox that was truly utilizing it due to its Xbox Live service. This was mainly due because Xbox was the first to have modern internet capabilities with a broadband modem built in, that along with the first to have a HDD. The PS2 required a clunky Broadband adapter add on, along with the Dreamcast, which was via dial up connection (made sense for the time though), and Nintendo didn't even attempt to get with the times with the GameCube. Other technological trends that made it retro was the fact that it was the last generation of mainly wired controllers, memory cards/slots, more 'boxy' physical aesthetics, lack of DRM, lack of microtransactions in games, last generation to measure graphic capabilities with bits (the Dreamcast & to a lesser extent the PS2 & GameCube used bits, while Xbox was the only one to adopt polygons in its terminology fully), no elaborate HUDs for system menus, among other technological trends.

Thats just technology, gaming as a whole was a lot different back then. As some have already eluded, but there was a lot more diversity in genres. Platformers with cartoony characters were still big. Games like the Jak series, Ratchet & Clank series, Sly series, PacMan World 2, Pikmin, Jet Set Radio, The 'Adventure Era' Sonic games, etc. were big back then. Super Smash Bros Melee, while a fighting/party game, was the split screen multiplayer game of choice in the early-mid 00s. That game IMHO is pretty retro in its fighting mechanics & graphics, but ironically it had held up over time (Melee tournaments are still pretty big 17 years later). FPS also weren't the cookie cutter COD clones like they are now. In fact, most FPS titles were based off of WWI/WWII such as the first three CODs & Medal of Honor. Thats not to mention many other iconic FPS titles that pushed the boundaries & were relatively innovative/fun such as TimeSplitters, the Quake series, the first two Halo games (which I'll admit, are the most 'modern' FPS games of this era, but i'd still argue based solely on graphics alone that they're pretty different from recent games), 007, and of course the legendary Half Life 2.

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I could go on and on, but overall this era in gaming also did have many modern aesthetics that propelled gaming forward, which makes this generation not as clear cut into either category. You guys should check out this video I linked above from Adam Koralik, he does really insightful videos regarding video games & video game hardware. Anyways, I agree mostly with his analysis, which is that I think the best analogy for the 6th generation is that the 3-D version of the 4th generation. That in which the prior generations of the 3rd/5th being the ones that were immensely transformative; with the NES breaking into the US Market ending the post 83' video game crisis & 8-Bit getting during the 3rd and the rise of 3-D Gaming & CD technology being utilized in the 5th generation. The 4th generation refined the 2-D graphics of the 3rd generation with the increase to 16bit graphics which gave games a more cartoony feel (this was surprisingly a big deal back then ;D), while the 6th generation did the same with 3-D graphics as the prior generation of 32/64 bit graphics were known for being very blocky along with the visuals being very blurry, but the 6th generation had well detailed character models, more expansive environments, better sense of depth, & games having a better sense of graphical realism rather than the typical game from the prior generation feeling more like... well... a late 90s computer simulator.

Thus, due to how much the 6th generation refined the 5th generation through a graphic sense, along with online gaming getting big is why many people see it as technically modern. But I think just the mere fact that it still had enough of the 'old' as well as the 'new', as already highlighted above, is why I'd call the generation merely as 'dated', neither retro or modern. But as each year passes, the slowly the 6th generation has seemed to become more and more irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. By the time the 9th generation consoles (PS5 & Xbox Scarlett) launch in 2020, is when the 6th will officially become retro going by the traditional three generations prior method. However, even from societal & historical perspective, the mere fact that VR will likely become more integral in gaming next semester & the PS2 will be (wait for it) 20 years old is enough for reason as to why the consoles will be retro. As of now, its still cuspsy, but I see the 6th generation as mostly retro (especially the Dreamcast & GameCube, PS2 as well, Xbox... eh not so much, but still relatively old).

Probably.

Bruh... kids born in the 2000s barely can get a pass growing up with PS2. Let alone Xbox & Gamecube, as they were already phased out in popularity by the late 2000s. You guys are modern era kids in the realm of gaming, and theres nothing wrong with that. People my age are sort of the crossroads between the retro/old school & modern crowd, and the fact that our core childhood years occurred during the 5th/6th generations, the crossroads between retro & modern gaming, is a testament to that.


I've met a lot of people born in 2000-2003 who had the PS2 as their first console. It was produced till 2013.

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The ps2 was a HUGE part of my childhood. People don't just abandon consoles just because a new one came out ???.

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The ps2 was a HUGE part of my childhood. People don't just abandon consoles just because a new one came out ???.


I said that PS2 you could claim (but undeniably, your childhood was past its peak in popularity). But the rest of 6th generation consoles were quickly phased out in 2007. Hell, the Dreamcast was already relatively ancient in comparison to other modern consoles by 2007.

I've met a lot of people born in 2000-2003 who had the PS2 as their first console. It was produced till 2013.


The Atari 2600 was my first console but then I got a PS2 afterwards.

Why are people so obsessed with the consoles they grew up with? ???

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Why are people so obsessed with the consoles they grew up with? ???

Is capitalism ruining the internet?
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Wait what ???

I've met a lot of people born in 2000-2003 who had the PS2 as their first console. It was produced till 2013.

Yeah, same here.

I've met a lot of people born in 2000-2003 who had the PS2 as their first console. It was produced till 2013.

I was born in 2004 and I use to play Kingdom Hearts on the PS2.

The first console I had was a Wii which I got in 2012.

I said that PS2 you could claim (but undeniably, your childhood was past its peak in popularity). But the rest of 6th generation consoles were quickly phased out in 2007. Hell, the Dreamcast was already relatively ancient in comparison to other modern consoles by 2007.


Me and you know what really happened and we are old enough to remember how the 2000s really were lol
By 2006 Dreamcast was like an artifact, it was rarely ever talked about , by early 2007 6th gen got phasedout

I said that PS2 you could claim (but undeniably, your childhood was past its peak in popularity). But the rest of 6th generation consoles were quickly phased out in 2007. Hell, the Dreamcast was already relatively ancient in comparison to other modern consoles by 2007.


Exactly, No one was checking up on ps2 in 2007 or Xbox 1 in 2007 or even late 2006 lmao
People would buy FIFA and MADDEN updates for ps2 but thats about it really.

LMAO you can really tell some revisionist history on here, I remember as soon as xbox 360 hit in 2005
everyone was like...... XBOX 1 who?????? lol

Exactly, No one was checking up on ps2 in 2007 or Xbox 1 in 2007 or even late 2006 lmao
People would buy FIFA and MADDEN updates for ps2 but thats about it really.

LMAO you can really tell some revisionist history on here, I remember as soon as xbox 360 hit in 2005
everyone was like...... XBOX 1 who?????? lol


No. The PS2 at least, was still very popular past late 2006.

No. The PS2 at least, was still very popular past late 2006.


The PS2 sold more than the PS3 in 2007 and early 2008. Heck, the GameBoy Advance outsold the PS3 for much of 2007, much to every anti-Sony fan's delight LOL.

The PS2 outsold the Xbox 360 for much of 2007 as well right up until Halo 3's launch, and it outsold the Wii every now and then (although this was due to supply constraints).

That is what I remember off the top of my head, being a video game sales figures junkie in the late 2000s.

The PS2 sold more than the PS3 in 2007 and early 2008. Heck, the GameBoy Advance outsold the PS3 for much of 2007, much to every anti-Sony fan's delight LOL.

The PS2 outsold the Xbox 360 for much of 2007 as well right up until Halo 3's launch, and it outsold the Wii every now and then (although this was due to supply constraints).

That is what I remember off the top of my head, being a video game sales figures junkie in the late 2000s.

I never played the PS2, but I still remember it being quite popular in the late 2000's. I think I know someone born in late 2001 that had the PS2 as their very first console.