A lot of people here say that the core 2000's were 2003-2007 and that 2002 was the quintessential early 2000's year culturally, but I've also seen a decent amount of people say 2002 is the first core 2000's year mainly due to it being the first full post-9/11 year and that the Y2K era of the late 90's was gone.

What do you think? Does 2002 belong to the core 2000's?

Yes i think its core 2000s and the songs that came out in 2002
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I'd say so. All 6th gen consoles (GameCube, Xbox, PS2, GBA) were out by late 2001. Windows XP and the first iPod already came out last year. This was Bush's second year. 2001 was his phase in year. 9/11 already happened and 9/11-patriotism was raging. I can't say a lot changed in terms of music from 2000 or 2001. Codename: Kids Next Door and The Grim Adventures of Billy & Mandy came out.

I'd say 2002 to 2007 are core 2000's years.

No, I don't think so. From what I can remember, the "core" 2000s started around Late 2003/Early 2004.

2008 being the last full year predominantly 00's culture and still being a year that impacted the 00's culturally (late 00's that is) doesn't make this year core 00's either. 2003 and 2007 are core 00's years as a whole, but if we want to go by seasons or school years, then 2003-04 was the first core 00's season while 2006-07 was the last core 00's season. The 2007-08 season isn't core 00's anymore, because a lot of major 00's pop cultural stuff that defined the core 00's ended throughout that time and a lot of early 2010's influences (NOT culture, but influences) started around 2007-08, such as Keeping Up with the Kardashians or Mad Men. 7th generation gaming being full force by the late 00's isn't core 00's either. 6th generation gaming in its prime is core 00's. However, at the same 2002 still isn't core because 5th generation games were still being sold (despite 6th gen being full force by then) and you didn't have the Iraq War yet. A lot of other stuff I won't get into detail about.

2002 belongs to the core 00s, but I'd split the core 00s into two halves; 2002-2004 and 2005-2007.

The core 00s really started coming in after 9/11.
By the summer of 2002, you had emo break out into the mainstream with Jimmy Eat World's "Bleed American" going platinum, as well as with the success of other emo bands such as Dashboard Confessional and Taking Back Sunday, as well as with non-emo acts commonly associated with the genre, such as Avril Lavigne and Simple Plan.

As stated before though, 2002-2004 was the first half of the core 00s. I've posted this on many comments before, but the vibe of 2002-2004 vs 2005-2007 does feel different.
Here's what I mean;

2002-2004 vibe;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NPBIwQyPWE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZLfasMPOU4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K38xNqZvBJI

2005-2007 vibe;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vc6vs-l5dkc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRKJiM9Njr8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lL2ZwXj1tXM

2008 being the last full year predominantly 00's culture and still being a year that impacted the 00's culturally (late 00's that is) doesn't make this year core 00's either. 2003 and 2007 are core 00's years as a whole, but if we want to go by seasons or school years, then 2003-04 was the first core 00's season while 2006-07 was the last core 00's season. The 2007-08 season isn't core 00's anymore, because a lot of major 00's pop cultural stuff that defined the core 00's ended throughout that time and a lot of early 2010's influences (NOT culture, but influences) started around 2007-08, such as Keeping Up with the Kardashians or Mad Men. 7th generation gaming being full force by the late 00's isn't core 00's either. 6th generation gaming in its prime is core 00's. However, at the same 2002 still isn't core because 5th generation games were still being sold (despite 6th gen being full force by then) and you didn't have the Iraq War yet. A lot of other stuff I won't get into detail about.

Didn't Mad Men come out during the 2006-2007 school year? Because it was first released in July 2007, the 2007-2008 school year didn't really start until late 2007 (depending on the district)
Also, just because 2008 wasn't core 2000's that doesn't necessarily mean 2002 wasn't either. There isn't really a set in stone formula for that. However, I do agree with the reasons you listed for it not being core 2000's.

2002 belongs to the core 00s, but I'd split the core 00s into two halves; 2002-2004 and 2005-2007.



From my experience living in the U.S. my whole life, 2002 feels NOTHING like 2004. Far from it actually. 2004 has way more in common with 2006 than 2002. Overall, 2004 still has its own separate feel and has a lot of differences compared to 2002 and 2006 (I've even said on another thread that 2004 doesn't deserve to be the most hated year of the 00's, I call 2004 the most balanced year pop culturally of all time, not too perfect but not too bad), but overall when you look at the pop culture that was relevant at the times, 2004 is a core 00's year, it's a mid 00's year just like 2006 as well. 2002 is still early 00's but it's not core 00's.

From my experience living in the U.S. my whole life, 2002 feels NOTHING like 2004. Far from it actually. 2004 has way more in common with 2006 than 2002. Overall, 2004 still has its own separate feel and has a lot of differences compared to 2002 and 2006 (I've even said on another thread that 2004 doesn't deserve to be the most hated year of the 00's, I call 2004 the most balanced year pop culturally of all time, not too perfect but not too bad), but overall when you look at the pop culture that was relevant at the times, 2004 is a core 00's year, it's a mid 00's year just like 2006 as well. 2002 is still early 00's but it's not core 00's.


"2004 has way more in common with 2006 than 2002"
Maybe Late 2004, but Early and Mid 2004, musically, has a much more similar sounding vibe to 2002 than 2006.
The vibe of songs such as Yellowcard's "Ocean Avenue", Bowling For Soup's "1985", Hoobastank's "The Reason", and Usher's "Yeah" feel closer in vibe to songs such as Avril Lavigne's "Complicated", Jimmy Eat World's "The Middle", Vanessa Carlton's "A Thousand Miles" and Nelly's "Hot in Herre" than they do songs such as Panic! At the Disco's "I Write Sins Not Tragedies", My Chemical Romance's "Welcome to the Black Parade", 30 Seconds to Mars "The Kill", or Chamillionaire's "Ridin Dirty".
Plus it wasn't until Late 2004 when the Razr came out, when MySpace started getting popular, and when the last PS1 game came out.
2002 was not only post-9/11, but was also when emo broke out into the mainstream. Y2K teen pop was definitely dead by that point.

Remember my time going back to school in Aug 2002,  ( Was the Tues after Summerslam 2002)

Had VERY y2k vibes, but they all dissipated when September hit ,  To be honest as soon as 9/11
hit is when the whole y2k vibe was already out but there was some hints and dashes of that y2k culture
that still lingered on a little bit in late 2002 but it was mostly at 20% at this point

Pop punk blew the hell up the first few months of the 2002-2003 year

Think of it like this in a nutshell. 2002 was no longer the Y2K era, but it still wasn't core 00's yet. Making 2002 the perfect early 00's year. 2008 (most of the year for sure) wasn't the electropop era yet, but it was no longer core 00's. Making 2008 the perfect late 00's year.

Think of it like this in a nutshell. 2002 was no longer the Y2K era, but it still wasn't core 00's yet. Making 2002 the perfect early 00's year. 2008 (most of the year for sure) wasn't the electropop era yet, but it was no longer core 00's. Making 2008 the perfect late 00's year.


2002 was no longer the y2k era, but did has some fashions of it

2002 was no longer the y2k era, but did has some fashions of it


Exactly, just like how 2008 had many influences of the early 2010's, but it was still not the electropop era/early 2010's era yet as a whole.

2002, isn't a core 2000s year. Nah. Haha Its just one of the most defining years of the decade like the CORE 2000s.

In my opinion, 2002 is not a core '00s year. The whole of 2002 is really just a continuation of Mid/Late 2001 really. You would have to wait until Late 2003 for the Core 2000s to really start, as SharksFan said.

No, it does not. I think the core 2000s started during Summer 2003. I do not think that we should classify everything post-9/11 as being core 2000s. The core 2000s was probably from 2003 to 2006.

No, it does not. I think the core 2000s started during Summer 2003. I do not think that we should classify everything post-9/11 as being core 2000s. The core 2000s was probably from 2003 to 2006.

How is 2007 not a core 2000s year? ???

How is 2007 not a core 2000s year? ???


You may be right, I might simply be confused between "core 2000s" and "mid 2000s".

You may be right, I might simply be confused between "core 2000s" and "mid 2000s".

Mid 2000s is May 2003 - August 2006. Core 2000s is the years 2000s culture was at its peak..

I don’t think 2002 is core 2000s. Emo wasn’t very big in 2002 yet. In my opinion, 2003 was the first core 2000s year because MySpace released and music was changing.. 2003 is the first mid 2000s year chronologically

I don’t think 2002 is core 2000s. Emo wasn’t very big in 2002 yet. In my opinion, 2003 was the first core 2000s year because MySpace released and music was changing.. 2003 is the first mid 2000s year chronologically


In 2002, Jimmy Eat World's "Bleed American" went platinum, and Dashboard Confessional reached #22 on the billboard with "Screaming Infidelities". Emo bands were also already selling out arenas by 2002.

2002 was to emo what 1992 was to grunge, it was its breakout year. (Nirvana's "Nevermind" was released in 1991, but "Smells Like Teen Spirit" didn't peak in the billboard until 1992)

In 2002, Jimmy Eat World's "Bleed American" went platinum, and Dashboard Confessional reached #22 on the billboard with "Screaming Infidelities". Emo bands were also already selling out arenas by 2002.

2002 was to emo what 1992 was to grunge, it was its breakout year. (Nirvana's "Nevermind" was released in 1991, but "Smells Like Teen Spirit" didn't peak in the billboard until 1992)


Didn't "Bleed American" become "Jimmy Eat World" because of 9/11?

Didn't "Bleed American" become "Jimmy Eat World" because of 9/11?
Yep, it was first released as "Bleed American", but re-released as a self titled album following 9/11.

In 2002, Jimmy Eat World's "Bleed American" went platinum, and Dashboard Confessional reached #22 on the billboard with "Screaming Infidelities". Emo bands were also already selling out arenas by 2002.

2002 was to emo what 1992 was to grunge, it was its breakout year. (Nirvana's "Nevermind" was released in 1991, but "Smells Like Teen Spirit" didn't peak in the billboard until 1992)


2002 was definitely when emo went mainstream, but I'd actually disagree with this.

Grunge peaked in 1993. Emo was definitely a significant part of pop culture in 2003, but it didn't peak that year.

1988-1990 I would cite as a "pre-grunge" era. Glam metal (which peaked in '87) is slowly declining as grunge (which peaked in '93) is slowly rising.
1991-1994 is the grunge era. I would say that 1993 is the peak year of the movement as a whole.
1995-1997 is the decline of grunge. The "death" of grunge would be the breakup of Soundgarden in April of 1997.

REM was pre-grunge. Green, which was released in late 1988, went double platinum in the US.
The Pixies' (a grunge band) second album, Doolittle, was released in April 1989. It went gold in the US and platinum in the UK.
They Might Be Giants (a pre-grunge band) released Flood in January 1990. It went platinum in the US.
Alice in Chains' (a grunge band) Facelift was released in August 1990 and was certified double platinum.

A lot of people here say that the core 2000's were 2003-2007 and that 2002 was the quintessential early 2000's year culturally, but I've also seen a decent amount of people say 2002 is the first core 2000's year mainly due to it being the first full post-9/11 year and that the Y2K era of the late 90's was gone.

What do you think? Does 2002 belong to the core 2000's?


I would say so.  It was post 9/11, Britney, Christina, NSync, Backstreet Boys, etc were past their peak or were changing their sound to be more mature, we had Nickelback and post-grunge, hip-hop already sounded mid '00s, emo was breaking out, we had Windows XP, high-speed Internet was starting to become more common, etc.  There were still echoes of the Y2K era in 2002 but for the most part that era was on its way out by late 2001.

I would say where you live and grew up has a strong influence on how you perceive pop culture from a specific year. For example, I’ve noticed that people, especially Americans, say that 2002 was the first core 2000’s year because it was the first full post-9/11 year. They would also say that the Y2K era died right when 9/11 happened as well as the cultural 90’s. But some people in different countries might disagree because 9/11 didn’t have much of a cultural affect on their country as it did in the U.S.

Just checked my calendar and ... yep ... 2002 is definitely a valid year in the 2000's. Please be inclusive and not offend 2002 by exclusive speech!  Years have feeling too...

Just checked my calendar and ... yep ... 2002 is definitely a valid year in the 2000's. Please be inclusive and not offend 2002 by exclusive speech!  Years have feeling too...


I think that you made me die of laughter.

Just checked my calendar and ... yep ... 2002 is definitely a valid year in the 2000's. Please be inclusive and not offend 2002 by exclusive speech!  Years have feeling too...


But does it have a pure 2000s feeling or a '90s kind of feeling?

But does it have a pure 2000s feeling or a '90s kind of feeling?


-Bush was well into his presidency.
-9/11 had already happened.
-The 6th Gaming Generation was already in full swing.
-Super Smash Bros Melee, Halo: Combat Evolved, and Grand Theft Auto III were already out.
-Y2K Teen Pop was no longer popular.
-Alt Rock was coming in strong with Linkin Park's "In The End" charting on the billboard.
-Emo broke into the mainstream.
-Avril Lavigne made her debut.
-00s Defining Film Series such as Harry Potter, Lord of the Rings, and Fast and the Furious had already started.
-Zoolander had already come out, starting the "Frat Pack" era of comedy movies.

-Bush was well into his presidency.
-9/11 had already happened.
-The 6th Gaming Generation was already in full swing.
-Super Smash Bros Melee, Halo: Combat Evolved, and Grand Theft Auto III were already out.
-Y2K Teen Pop was no longer popular.
-Alt Rock was coming in strong with Linkin Park's "In The End" charting on the billboard.
-Emo broke into the mainstream.
-Avril Lavigne made her debut.
-00s Defining Film Series such as Harry Potter, Lord of the Rings, and Fast and the Furious had already started.
-Zoolander had already come out, starting the "Frat Pack" era of comedy movies.


Wow so '90s.

2002 belongs to the core 00s, but I'd split the core 00s into two halves; 2002-2004 and 2005-2007.

The core 00s really started coming in after 9/11.
By the summer of 2002, you had emo break out into the mainstream with Jimmy Eat World's "Bleed American" going platinum, as well as with the success of other emo bands such as Dashboard Confessional and Taking Back Sunday, as well as with non-emo acts commonly associated with the genre, such as Avril Lavigne and Simple Plan.

As stated before though, 2002-2004 was the first half of the core 00s. I've posted this on many comments before, but the vibe of 2002-2004 vs 2005-2007 does feel different.
Here's what I mean;

2002-2004 vibe;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NPBIwQyPWE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZLfasMPOU4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K38xNqZvBJI

2005-2007 vibe;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vc6vs-l5dkc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRKJiM9Njr8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lL2ZwXj1tXM


I agree with this, except I believe it was the 2001-2004 period, and then the 2005-2008 period. There wasn't really a core in the center. More like two distinct halves.

2002 belongs to the core 00s, but I'd split the core 00s into two halves; 2002-2004 and 2005-2007.

The core 00s really started coming in after 9/11.
By the summer of 2002, you had emo break out into the mainstream with Jimmy Eat World's "Bleed American" going platinum, as well as with the success of other emo bands such as Dashboard Confessional and Taking Back Sunday, as well as with non-emo acts commonly associated with the genre, such as Avril Lavigne and Simple Plan.

As stated before though, 2002-2004 was the first half of the core 00s. I've posted this on many comments before, but the vibe of 2002-2004 vs 2005-2007 does feel different.
Here's what I mean;

2002-2004 vibe;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NPBIwQyPWE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZLfasMPOU4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K38xNqZvBJI

2005-2007 vibe;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vc6vs-l5dkc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRKJiM9Njr8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lL2ZwXj1tXM


I agree with this, except I believe it was the 2001-2004 period, and then the 2005-2008 period. There wasn't really a core in the center. More like two distinct halves.



From my experience living in the U.S. my whole life, 2002 feels NOTHING like 2004. Far from it actually. 2004 has way more in common with 2006 than 2002. Overall, 2004 still has its own separate feel and has a lot of differences compared to 2002 and 2006 (I've even said on another thread that 2004 doesn't deserve to be the most hated year of the 00's, I call 2004 the most balanced year pop culturally of all time, not too perfect but not too bad), but overall when you look at the pop culture that was relevant at the times, 2004 is a core 00's year, it's a mid 00's year just like 2006 as well. 2002 is still early 00's but it's not core 00's.


I disagree. 2004 may have been a little distant from 2002, but it was pretty much an improved version of 2003, and 2003 and 2002 were very similar. Most people on here even consider 2005 to be the same as 2002, but I think 2005 has more in common with 2008.

I agree with this, except I believe it was the 2001-2004 period, and then the 2005-2008 period. There wasn't really a core in the center. More like two distinct halves.

I disagree. 2004 may have been a little distant from 2002, but it was pretty much an improved version of 2003, and 2003 and 2002 were very similar. Most people on here even consider 2005 to be the same as 2002, but I think 2005 has more in common with 2008.


I agree with 2002 having in common with 2003 and being an improved version, but I would say 2002 through summer 2003 was similar but there were noticeable differences. Fall 2003 felt like 2004 and even 2005. As for what I have in bold, where the heck did you get that from? I've never heard of anybody on this site saying that 2005 was the same as 2002, it isn't even similar to 2004.

-Bush was well into his presidency.
-9/11 had already happened.
-The 6th Gaming Generation was already in full swing.
-Super Smash Bros Melee, Halo: Combat Evolved, and Grand Theft Auto III were already out.
-Y2K Teen Pop was no longer popular.
-Alt Rock was coming in strong with Linkin Park's "In The End" charting on the billboard.
-Emo broke into the mainstream.
-Avril Lavigne made her debut.
-00s Defining Film Series such as Harry Potter, Lord of the Rings, and Fast and the Furious had already started.
-Zoolander had already come out, starting the "Frat Pack" era of comedy movies.


Emo didn't break the mainstream until 2003. 2002 was just the transition. Harry Potter, Lord of the Rings, and Fast and Furious started in 2001, making those early 00's cultural things, not core. Lord of the Rings is an early 00's franchise and the first 2 Fast & Furious movies belong to the early 00's. Harry Potter lasted throughout the whole 00's, so it could be early, mid/core, or late. Bush's 1st term belongs to the early 00's. Even though Windows XP came out in 2001, the majority of households didn't have it until 2003. 2002 was really the transition year from people switching from Windows 98 to XP. 2002 was the transition year from VHS to DVD until DVD took over by 2003. MySpace didn't come out until 2003, and that was a huge part of the core 00's BTW. 2002 is a weird year just like 2008. 2002 was the perfect early 00's year, no longer Y2K but not core yet. 2008 was the perfect late 00's year, not electropop/early 10's yet but no longer core.

Emo didn't break the mainstream until 2003. 2002 was just the transition. Harry Potter, Lord of the Rings, and Fast and Furious started in 2001, making those early 00's cultural things, not core. Lord of the Rings is an early 00's franchise and the first 2 Fast & Furious movies belong to the early 00's. Harry Potter lasted throughout the whole 00's, so it could be early, mid/core, or late. Bush's 1st term belongs to the early 00's. Even though Windows XP came out in 2001, the majority of households didn't have it until 2003. 2002 was really the transition year from people switching from Windows 98 to XP. 2002 was the transition year from VHS to DVD until DVD took over by 2003. MySpace didn't come out until 2003, and that was a huge part of the core 00's BTW. 2002 is a weird year just like 2008. 2002 was the perfect early 00's year, no longer Y2K but not core yet. 2008 was the perfect late 00's year, not electropop/early 10's yet but no longer core.


The statement in red is not true.
Again, 2002 was the year Jimmy Eat World's "Bleed American"/Self Titled album (released 2001) went platinum, and the year Dashboard Confessional's "Screaming Infidelities" peaked on the billboard.
Hell even in the My Chemical Romance biography "Not the Life It Seems: The True Lives of My Chemical Romance", it's stated on page 185 that emo broke out into the mainstream in 2002 with Jimmy Eat World and Dashboard Confessional. I even remember my oldest sister being into emo bands all the way back in 2002, as well as her friends.

The statement bolded in black may be true, but at the same time, you could also make the case for 2007 not being a core 00s year either with that criteria.
Windows Vista was already out, and selling over 10,000 in unit sales weekly already in early 2007.
The 7th Gaming Generation was already in full swing, even in early 2007, the Wii was already outselling the PS2, and by mid 2007, so was the Xbox 360.
Not only that, but it was also in 2007 when LCD TVs outsold CRTs;
https://www.engadget.com/2008/02/19/worldwide-lcd-tv-shipments-surpass-crts-for-first-time-ever/

The statement in blue is true, but MySpace didn't explode until 2005, the same year it was acquired by News Corporation.
Social networking actually began in 2002, with a site called "Friendster", a lot of the users that made MySpace popular started out on Friendster.

It if makes you feel any better, I'd also refer to 2002-2007 as "prime" 00s instead of "core" 00s, with core being 2003-2006, and peak being 2004-2005.
Either way, 00s culture was already in its prime in 2002.
The vibe of songs that were popular in 2002 is much more similar to that of songs that were popular in 2004 than they are to 2000.
Listen to "The Middle", "Complicated", "All You Wanted", "A Thousand Miles", and "How You Remind Me", then listen to "Ocean Avenue", "Pieces of Me", "My Happy Ending", "The First Cut Is The Deepest", and "The Reason", the vibe of these songs is all very consistent.
Plus, even the vibe of Usher's "Yeah!" is very similar to the vibe from Nelly's "Hot in Herre".

2008's equivalent in this regard is 2001, not 2002, because 2001, even before but especially after, 9/11, was when Y2K culture was already on its way out, and prime 00s culture was already on its way in. 2008 is when prime 00s culture was on its way out, and electropop was on its way in with songs such as "Just Dance" and "Don't Trust Me".

It if makes you feel any better, I'd also refer to 2002-2007 as "prime" 00s instead of "core" 00s, with core being 2003-2006, and peak being 2004-2005.

Just out of curiosity, what’s the difference between “prime” and “core” and “peak” 2000’s?

Just out of curiosity, what’s the difference between “prime” and “core” and “peak” 2000’s?


Prime = when a decade's culture was at its prime.
Core = the most defining years of a decade's culture
Peak = the epicenter of a decade's culture.

Prime = when a decade's culture was at its prime.
Core = the most defining years of a decade's culture
Peak = the epicenter of a decade's culture.

I would add 2008 as prime 2000’s but late 2000’s because it was the quintessential late 2000’s year. However, this is about 2002 so I’ll just leave it at that.

I think Americans are a lot more likely to see 2002 as a core 2000’s year than some others who lived in a different country in which the Y2K lasted longer and 9/11 didn’t really have as big of an effect on the pop culture. Age also plays a bit a role as well. A person who was 7 in 2008 will probably think 2008 was a billion years ago and will talk about how core 2000’s it was, whereas someone who was say 13 will probably think 2008 was when early 2010’s culture arrived and probably won’t consider it the real 2000’s. There’s a lot of factors that can change how you view certain years culturally.

1991-1994 = Grunge Era (think Nirvana, Pearl Jam, Soundgarden, Alice In Chains, Stone Temple Pilots, Metallica, Smashing Pumpkins, Radiohead, Boyz II Men, Dr. Dre)

1995-1997 = Britpop Era (think Oasis, Blur, The Verve, Green Day, Sublime, No Doubt, Alanis Morisette, Sheryl Crow, 2Pac, Notorious BIG, Celine Dion)

1998-2001 = Y2K Era (think Backstreet Boys, Britney Spears, Christina Aguilera, NSYNC, Cher, Sugar Ray, Matchbox Twenty, Eminem, Jay Z)

2002-2004 = Punk-Emo Era (think Jimmy Eat World, Dashboard Confessional, Avril Lavigne, Simple Plan, Linkin Park, Yellowcard, Nelly, 50 Cent, Lil Jon, Usher)

2005-2007 = Goth-Emo Era (think Hawthorne Heights, My Chemical Romance, Fall Out Boy, Panic! At the Disco, 30 Seconds to Mars, Kelly Clarkson, Chamillionaire)

2008-2009 = Electro-Scene Era (think Paramore, Metro Station, 3OH!3, BrokeNCYDE, The Lonely Island, Lady Gaga, Katy Perry, Lil Wayne)

2010-2012 = EDM Era (think Taio Cruz, LMFAO, Skrillex, PSY, Drake, Nicki Minaj, CeeLo Green, Adele, Bruno Mars)

2013-2016 = Prime 10s Era (think Imagine Dragons, Miley Cyrus, Lorde, Pharrel Williams, Taylor Swift, Ed Sheeran, The Weeknd, Twenty One Pilots)

2017+ = Trump Era

The statement in red is not true.
Again, 2002 was the year Jimmy Eat World's "Bleed American"/Self Titled album (released 2001) went platinum, and the year Dashboard Confessional's "Screaming Infidelities" peaked on the billboard.
Hell even in the My Chemical Romance biography "Not the Life It Seems: The True Lives of My Chemical Romance", it's stated on page 185 that emo broke out into the mainstream in 2002 with Jimmy Eat World and Dashboard Confessional. I even remember my oldest sister being into emo bands all the way back in 2002, as well as her friends.


There are different types of emo. You got the millennial late 90's/early 00's emo then you got the core 00's emo. The core 00's emo didn't become mainstream until 2003. Talk to JordanK1982 about this or archive his posts. He's a big expert on it. You can tell there was a difference between 2002 emo and 2004 emo. Also, 2003 and 2007 are the opposite core 00's years. 2003 being the early 00's cultural year that's core while 2007 was the late 00's cultural year that's core. Anyways, we can agree to disagree. I feel like you're a good poster on here so I can't treat you this way or get too heated.

Yes.

1991-1994 = Grunge Era (think Nirvana, Pearl Jam, Soundgarden, Alice In Chains, Stone Temple Pilots, Metallica, Smashing Pumpkins, Radiohead, Boyz II Men, Dr. Dre)

1995-1997 = Britpop Era (think Oasis, Blur, The Verve, Green Day, Sublime, No Doubt, Alanis Morisette, Sheryl Crow, 2Pac, Notorious BIG, Celine Dion)

1998-2001 = Y2K Era (think Backstreet Boys, Britney Spears, Christina Aguilera, NSYNC, Cher, Sugar Ray, Matchbox Twenty, Eminem, Jay Z)

2002-2004 = Punk-Emo Era (think Jimmy Eat World, Dashboard Confessional, Avril Lavigne, Simple Plan, Linkin Park, Yellowcard, Nelly, 50 Cent, Lil Jon, Usher)

2005-2007 = Goth-Emo Era (think Hawthorne Heights, My Chemical Romance, Fall Out Boy, Panic! At the Disco, 30 Seconds to Mars, Kelly Clarkson, Chamillionaire)

2008-2009 = Electro-Scene Era (think Paramore, Metro Station, 3OH!3, BrokeNCYDE, The Lonely Island, Lady Gaga, Katy Perry, Lil Wayne)

2010-2012 = EDM Era (think Taio Cruz, LMFAO, Skrillex, PSY, Drake, Nicki Minaj, CeeLo Green, Adele, Bruno Mars)

2013-2016 = Prime 10s Era (think Imagine Dragons, Miley Cyrus, Lorde, Pharrel Williams, Taylor Swift, Ed Sheeran, The Weeknd, Twenty One Pilots)

2017+ = Trump Era


Metallica started to decline in 1991.

I agree with 2002 having in common with 2003 and being an improved version, but I would say 2002 through summer 2003 was similar but there were noticeable differences. Fall 2003 felt like 2004 and even 2005. As for what I have in bold, where the heck did you get that from? I've never heard of anybody on this site saying that 2005 was the same as 2002, it isn't even similar to 2004.


Many people on this site consider 2005 as part of the early 00's, which includes 2002. Meanwhile everything changed in 2006 and became the late 00's. I personally disagree because I felt the transition started in the summer of 2005.


1991-1994 = Grunge Era (think Nirvana, Pearl Jam, Soundgarden, Alice In Chains, Stone Temple Pilots, Metallica, Smashing Pumpkins, Radiohead, Boyz II Men, Dr. Dre)

1995-1997 = Britpop Era (think Oasis, Blur, The Verve, Green Day, Sublime, No Doubt, Alanis Morisette, Sheryl Crow, 2Pac, Notorious BIG, Celine Dion)

1998-2001 = Y2K Era (think Backstreet Boys, Britney Spears, Christina Aguilera, NSYNC, Cher, Sugar Ray, Matchbox Twenty, Eminem, Jay Z)

2002-2004 = Punk-Emo Era (think Jimmy Eat World, Dashboard Confessional, Avril Lavigne, Simple Plan, Linkin Park, Yellowcard, Nelly, 50 Cent, Lil Jon, Usher)

2005-2007 = Goth-Emo Era (think Hawthorne Heights, My Chemical Romance, Fall Out Boy, Panic! At the Disco, 30 Seconds to Mars, Kelly Clarkson, Chamillionaire)

2008-2009 = Electro-Scene Era (think Paramore, Metro Station, 3OH!3, BrokeNCYDE, The Lonely Island, Lady Gaga, Katy Perry, Lil Wayne)

2010-2012 = EDM Era (think Taio Cruz, LMFAO, Skrillex, PSY, Drake, Nicki Minaj, CeeLo Green, Adele, Bruno Mars)

2013-2016 = Prime 10s Era (think Imagine Dragons, Miley Cyrus, Lorde, Pharrel Williams, Taylor Swift, Ed Sheeran, The Weeknd, Twenty One Pilots)

2017+ = Trump Era


I would put Metro Station in the same category and same era as Fall Out Boy. Lady Gaga was more 2009 even though her album released in 2008. Overall, 2008 was in the same era with 2005-2007. I'm starting to think the 2017+ era can be associated with adult contemporary pop sounds, such as Ed Sheeran, Shawn Mendes, and Dua Lupa as well as the trap such as Migos, Cardi B, and Post Malone.

Many people on this site consider 2005 as part of the early 00's, which includes 2002. Meanwhile everything changed in 2006 and became the late 00's. I personally disagree because I felt the transition started in the summer of 2005.


"Everything changed in 2006" how so? 2006 doesn't feel very pivotal to me, the music scene especially.

"Everything changed in 2006" how so? 2006 doesn't feel very pivotal to me, especially compared to 2007, which felt far more eventful and memorable.

2008 was the transition year. Late 2006 was a small shift from mid 2000s to late 2000s. 2006 and 2007 are core 2000s but late 2000s especially 2007

"Everything changed in 2006" how so? 2006 doesn't feel very pivotal to me, the music scene especially.


He's saying that that's what people on here say, not that it's his opinion. I'm sure you heard about the "late 2006 shift" by now. ;D

He's saying that that's what people on here say, not that it's his opinion. I'm sure you heard about the "late 2006 shift" by now. ;D


Like, the 7th Gaming Gen coming in, and Vista being released?

Like, the 7th Gaming Gen coming in, and Vista being released?


-Vista pre release
-Malcolm Middle ending
-TRL's ratings start to plummet in December (Talk of cancellation starts in Jan 07)
- the WB becomes CW
-WWE changes RAW's theme music and logo
- Anticipation for ps3 and wii
-Blackberry pearl, first smartphone that becomes popular
-That 70's show no longer on the air
- Facebook debuts to the public without college e-mail
- Youtube gets huge
- Last year of full 6th gen consoles
-  Peak of pop punk
- Timbaland's dominance,  Timberlake, NElly

Like, the 7th Gaming Gen coming in, and Vista being released?


Yep and something about cartoons and That '70s Show ending.

-Vista pre release
-Malcolm Middle ending
-TRL's ratings start to plummet in December (Talk of cancellation starts in Jan 07)
- the WB becomes CW
-WWE changes RAW's theme music and logo
- Anticipation for ps3 and wii
-Blackberry pearl, first smartphone that becomes popular
-That 70's show no longer on the air
- Facebook debuts to the public without college e-mail
- Youtube gets huge
- Last year of full 6th gen consoles
-  Peak of pop punk
- Timbaland's dominance,  Timberlake, NElly


"Peak of pop punk" - don't you mean peak of emo, or are you including emo bands into the pop-punk category?
And Nelly, he didn't really make anything big in 2006, he's more 2002, or are you referring to Nelly Furtado, and not the male rapper?

Everything else I can agree with, though much of it I'd associate more in a way with 2007 than 2006. The Blackberry Pearl wasn't a touch-smartphone we're used to today, that didn't come out until 2007 with the iPhone. YouTube definitely did increase in popular in 2006, but it wasn't until 2007 when you had viral sensations on there such as Rick Roll, Chocolate Rain, Dramatic Look, and Charlie Bit My Finger.
As for gaming, 2006 was very eventful console-wise, but gaming wise, it was one of the least eventful years of the 00s, as there really weren't any noteworthy launch titles with the exception of Wii Sports. 2007 however, was a huge year for gaming, hands down the best year of the 00s for gaming, even Watchmojo listed it as such. With the debut of series such as Rock Band, Assasins Creed, Uncharted, Portal, Mass Effect, Crysis, and Bioshock, and the release of great games such as Super Mario Galaxy, Ratchet & Clank: Tools of Destruction, Halo 3, Guitar Hero III, World of Warcraft: The Burning Crusade, God of War II, and Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare, there's certainly no doubt that 2007 was one of the biggest years of gaming in history.

But I guess everything else is right...

"Peak of pop punk" - don't you mean peak of emo, or are you including emo bands into the pop-punk category?
And Nelly, he didn't really make anything big in 2006, he's more 2002, or are you referring to Nelly Furtado, and not the male rapper?

Everything else I can agree with, though much of it I'd associate more in a way with 2007 than 2006. The Blackberry Pearl wasn't a touch-smartphone we're used to today, that didn't come out until 2007 with the iPhone. YouTube definitely did increase in popular in 2006, but it wasn't until 2007 when you had viral sensations on there such as Rick Roll, Chocolate Rain, Dramatic Look, and Charlie Bit My Finger.
As for gaming, 2006 was very eventful console-wise, but gaming wise, it was one of the least eventful years of the 00s, as there really weren't any noteworthy launch titles with the exception of Wii Sports. 2007 however, was a huge year for gaming, hands down the best year of the 00s for gaming, even Watchmojo listed it as such. With the debut of series such as Rock Band, Assasins Creed, Uncharted, Portal, Mass Effect, Crysis, and Bioshock, and the release of great games such as Super Mario Galaxy, Ratchet & Clank: Tools of Destruction, Halo 3, Guitar Hero III, World of Warcraft: The Burning Crusade, God of War II, and Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare, there's certainly no doubt that 2007 was one of the biggest years of gaming in history.

But I guess everything else is right...


Nelly Furtado

He's saying that that's what people on here say, not that it's his opinion. I'm sure you heard about the "late 2006 shift" by now. ;D


Yeah, 2006 was such a pivotal change in history. Our lives have never been the same since that momentous "Late 2006 shift". Everything started to suck that year, apparently.  ::)

Yeah, 2006 was such a pivotal change in history. Everything started to suck that year, apparently.  ::)


2006 was the "change heard around the world".  ;D

Yeah, 2006 was such a pivotal change in history. Everything started to suck that year, apparently.  ::)

Yeah. By late 2006 everything changed completely. The change was even bigger than the changes from 9/11. Everything changed completely. By September 1st, 2006, we were 100% in early 2010's culture and we've been in one big era since late 2006 and not much has changed.

2006 was the "change heard around the world".  ;D


The earliest signs of the Late 2006 shift can be traced back to Hurricane Katrina. Since then, we have never been the same since.  ::)

The earliest signs of the Late 2006 shift can be traced back to Hurricane Katrina. Since then, we have never been the same since.  ::)

Actually, I'd say the earliest signs of the late 2006 shift was back in 1400 B.C. when this came out:
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Actually, I'd say the earliest signs of the late 2006 shift was back in 1400 B.C. when this came out:
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Pre-2006:

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Post-2006:

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Actually, I'd say the earliest signs of the late 2006 shift was back in 1400 B.C. when this came out:
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That was the sh!t back then only 1400 B.C. kids remember.

Pre-2006:

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Post-2006:

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Yeah, this definitely proves that late 2006 changed everything. August 31st, 2006 was a different world from September 1st, 2006. By then everyone had an iPhone and was on Snapchat, had Instagram, dressed hipster, went on Twitter, pop culture started to suck and it changed our lives forever. The 2000's were definitely a thing of the past.

That was the sh!t back then only 1400 B.C. kids remember.

Yeah, I remember 1400 B.C like yesterday. I used to play that song on my iStone all the time.

Yeah, this definitely proves that late 2006 changed everything. August 31st, 2006 was a different world from September 1st, 2006. By then everyone had an iPhone and was on Snapchat, had Instagram, dressed hipster, went on Twitter, pop culture started to suck and it changed our lives forever. The 2000's were definitely a thing of the past.


Yeah, I can also recall seeing Artie The Strongest Man In The World suddenly replaced with Jacob Sartorius at midnight on September 1, 2006.

I remember him telling me "farewell my little Viking" on that fateful night. Artie was very sad. That was 11:59 PM on August 31, 2006.

Then on September 1, 2006 at 12:00 AM, Jacob Sartorius made my ears bleed.

I also saw Little Pete crying in the grass.

I joined with him as soon as I found out my ears were bleeding.

Yeah, I can also recall seeing Artie The Strongest Man In The World suddenly replaced with Jacob Sartorius at midnight on September 1, 2006.

I remember him telling me "farewell my little Viking" on that fateful night. Artie was very sad. That was 11:59 PM on August 31, 2006.

Then on September 1, 2006 at 12:00 AM, Jacob Sartorius made my ears bleed.

I remember on August 31st, 2006 11:59 PM I walked to the laundry to clean my clothes. When I got there it was September 1st, 2006 12:00 AM and I saw my mom in the laundry room eating the tide pods. That proves that late 2006 was the start of today's era and we've been in the same world since then.

I remember on August 31st, 2006 11:59 PM I walked to the laundry to clean my clothes. When I got there it was September 1st, 2006 12:00 AM and I saw my mom in the laundry room eating the tide pods. That proves that late 2006 was the start of today's era and we've been in the same world since then.


06 'til Infinity

lol at the sarcastic dogmatism, my avatar is my reaction.

http://www.thecoli.com/media/bp-civil-war-in.16654/full

I will NEVER forget the late 2006 shift. I've had a lot of skress (stress) since thenhttp://www.thecoli.com/data/emoticons/1/ab909201de2ab68a1238776f331b0283.png?t=1454955385.

http://www.thecoli.com/media/bp-civil-war-in.16654/full

I will NEVER forget the late 2006 shift. I've had a lot of skress (stress) since thenhttp://www.thecoli.com/data/emoticons/1/ab909201de2ab68a1238776f331b0283.png?t=1454955385.

Same here. Humanity will never truly recover from the great shift in late 2006... 

Same here. Humanity will never truly recover from the great shift in late 2006...

:\'(

Once we hit September 2006, it felt like September never ended.

Once we hit September 2006, it felt like September never ended.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NU9JoFKlaZ0

Same here. Humanity will never truly recover from the great shift in late 2006...

Late 2006 shift is the reason why we have all these horrible mumbling rappers and the reason why everything is terrible and sucks today. When September 1st, 2006 hit, it was like a day/night change from August 31st, 2006. Everything went to hell and the world just wasn't the same anymore.

Of course it was the core '00s. I can't believe people are saying it isn't. It wasn't mid 2000s, but it was core 2000s in every way that mattered.

I have added a poll for people to vote if they think 2002 was core 2000's or not. It would be interesting to see the results.

The early 2000s were the best, I miss them so much.  :\'(

That and 2009 were the only good parts of the 2000s. To answer the OP, 2002 is just too good for the rest of the 2000s lol

The early 2000s were the best, I miss them so much.  :\'(

That and 2009 were the only good parts of the 2000s. To answer the OP, 2002 is just too good for the rest of the 2000s lol

¿Por qué lo dices?

¿Por qué lo dices?


Yeah I used to play a couple of board games back then on Yahoo! Games. So '90s.

Yeah I used to play a couple of board games back then on Yahoo! Games. So '90s.

:P

I remember the 2002-2003 school year being sooo boring compared to 2001-2002. The 2000s felt so new and invigorating during 99-spring 02 but by the fall semester, 2002 was transformed into a typical 2000 year, and probably the first.

Things I remember off the top of my head...lots of trucker hats...TONS AND TONS AND TONS of axe body spray...the clothing was noticeably more preppy but in a weirdly douchier looking way...Queen of the Damned soundtrack was kind of big in my alternative/goth circle...cardigans became a thing in the indie circles...the heavy nu-metal seemed to dissipate into Avril Lavigne-ish music.

Based on the poll, a lot of people seem to have mixed feelings about 2002 being a core 2000's year. Even though more people agree that it was a core 2000's year according to the poll it's not by a lot. Yesterday, it was 7 people who said yes and only 4 people who said no.

I’d say so. In 2002 6th generation gaming was in full swing, 90’s culture was gone, 9/11 already happened which marked a cultural shift. 2002 was early 2000s culturally but many core 2000s things were already present by that point.

Based on the poll, a lot of people seem to have mixed feelings about 2002 being a core 2000's year. Even though more people agree that it was a core 2000's year according to the poll it's not by a lot. Yesterday, it was 7 people who said yes and only 4 people who said no.


I'm gonna say

Spring 02 - Last season of Y2K era

Fall 02 - First season of core 2000s (October was the month that Congress passed authorized the Iraq War and the Beltway Sniper was a huge deal at this time. To me, this completely ended the "carefree" early 2000s)

A year that good? Core 00s!? Of course not! ;)

A year that good? Core 00s!? Of course not! ;)


I really don't care about voting. Haha 02 is just one of my favorite years of the 2000s alone.

A year that good? Core 00s!? Of course not! ;)


That was exactly my reasoning ;D

That was exactly my reasoning ;D


Yeah, I just skimmed through.


I really don't care about voting. Haha 02 is just one of my favorite years of the 2000s alone.


I like the entire early 00's. Was a good time.

Anyway, I've been skimming and just wanna make a point about emo music. I started going to shows in 1996 and stopped around Warped Tour 2005. I've been to more emo shows than I can count and in '02 emo still meant wearing sweater vests, thick framed glasses and vintage t-shirts like the modern hipster. Some guys involved in the emo scene back then like Chris Carrabba and Brett Detar even had long sideburns and Elvis hair. The jeans weren't even tight at this stage, they were ill-fitting/baggy and coupled with a pair of vans (the "old skool" variety). Early mainstream emo bands like Dashboard and Jimmy Eat World sound nothing their successors and shouldn't be viewed as such especially since Jimmy Eat World's sound borrows more from the style the Foo Fighters had on Color and The Shape and Dashboard is more akin to stuff like American Football and Get Up Kids played acoustically.

And I'm gonna nitpick even further since I saw something about grunge and REM. :P REM's first record, Murmur, came out in 1983 and was actually a moderate success that made a splash in both the mainstream and indie worlds (way earlier than Green, too) and I will argue that the earliest starting point for the grunge era dates back to 85 when Green River released the Come on Down EP.

LET'S GO NO OH LET'S GO!
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TBH, if 2002 belongs to the core 00's that means the core 00's starts in late 2001 after 9/11 and 2008 would still be included in the core 00's years. If all of those early 00's cultural stuff we say that was relevant in 2001 & 2002 belongs to the core 00's, then so do the late 00's cultural stuff from 2007 & 2008 belong to the core 00's as well. This is why I consider 2003-2007 the core 00's, or by seasons/school years it's Fall 2003 through Summer 2007. To me, late 2001-mid 2008 is the main 2000's period culturally, but the core 00's culturally is 2003-2007 (or late 2003-mid 2007). Core has to be EXTREME CORE. MySpace. Core 00's Television. Core 00's Music. Video Games (PEAK of 6th gen). Broadband Internet on XP. DVD's in its prime. All of it being relevant at once. That's what I mean by core. 2002 may have core pop culture (including 2001) but just not there yet. I think opposite when it comes to 2008.


Yeah, I just skimmed through.

I like the entire early 00's. Was a good time.

Anyway, I've been skimming and just wanna make a point about emo music. I started going to shows in 1996 and stopped around Warped Tour 2005. I've been to more emo shows than I can count and in '02 emo still meant wearing sweater vests, thick framed glasses and vintage t-shirts like the modern hipster.


That's my boi JordanK right here. Just like I explained earlier.

The early 2000s were the best, I miss them so much.  :\'(

That and 2009 were the only good parts of the 2000s. To answer the OP, 2002 is just too good for the rest of the 2000s lol


I agree. The 00s, by and large, sucked in my opinion. I do have warm memories of 08 although I was going through a lot of crap at that time.

But I see why so many late 90s and 00 kids loved the 00s...they didn't have to pay for gas.

LET'S GO NO OH LET'S GO!
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2000 up to 2005 are all core 2000s years. 2006 is on the border but wouldn't be core or classic anymore as so much changed and it became closer to a modern 2000s year. The year 2000 had nothing to do with the '90s and had strong 2000s identity. I wish more people would realize the early 2000s was the most definitive part of the decade by far. (Just like the early 2010s are the most definitive in the 2010s, even though I hate the early 2010s but love the early 2000s).

I started going to shows in 1996 and stopped around Warped Tour 2005. I've been to more emo shows than I can count and in '02 emo still meant wearing sweater vests, thick framed glasses and vintage t-shirts like the modern hipster.


Really? That's interesting. Have any photos from any of those events?

I've always associated the emo/pop-punk of 2002, as well as 2003 and 2004 more as "skater" than anything, which is what I stated in the first post I made on here. In fact, my sister and a lot of her friends were very big into a lot of emo/pop-punk music at the time, and even she remembers the fashion and culture of that era being that way, like small mohawks or pageboys, brand T-shirts, ripped jeans, etc. The girls fashion of the time tended to fall more in line with the preppy Avril Lavigne - esque style.

I still think 2002-2004, especially musically, is an era with its own unique vibe. A lot of songs and music videos that were released in or just before 2004, such as "Perfect", "Stacy's Mom", "Ocean Avenue", "Broken", "The Reason", "Cold", "1985", and "My Happy Ending" could easily pass for 2002, the vibe of those aforementioned songs is very consistent with songs such as "In The End", "The Middle", "A Thousand Miles", "Complicated", "All You Wanted", "Just Like A Pill", "Hero", and "Sk8er Boy".

But anyways, I do welcome your viewpoint, nonetheless.

I though of '02 as very beginner 00's, in that it was the first year of the 00's removed from the late 90s bubblegum pop and included some of what would become 00's musically. Pop music was getting more and more edgier. But it's hard to define it as "core" though.

Not really, 2002 seems too much like the late 90s, at least pop culturally speaking. Politically speaking however, 9/11 had just happened and we knew we really weren't in the 90s anymore.
I feel like core 00s is Late 2003 to Early 2008, but even 2004 still felt 90s-esque in some ways from what I remember.

As a teenager back then, I can say that 2002 still had a pretty big early '00s vibe. HDTV was still mostly for the rich, DVD was taking over VHS, but VHS was still pretty big, especially for recording stuff, pretty much everybody was still primarily going with Windows 98, and modern social media was a non factor. You could see many of the things that would make up the core '00s getting popular, but the year overall was still pretty early '00s.

As a teenager back then, I can say that 2002 still had a pretty big early '00s vibe. HDTV was still mostly for the rich, DVD was taking over VHS, but VHS was still pretty big, especially for recording stuff, pretty much everybody was still primarily going with Windows 98, and modern social media was a non factor. You could see many of the things that would make up the core '00s getting popular, but the year overall was still pretty early '00s.

A year can be early 2000s and core 2000s at the same time. Core 2000s is not the same as mid 2000s. Core is just a year where the decade's identity is strong. Has nothing to do with the early, mid, and late split.

Really? That's interesting. Have any photos from any of those events?

I've always associated the emo/pop-punk of 2002, as well as 2003 and 2004 more as "skater" than anything, which is what I stated in the first post I made on here. In fact, my sister and a lot of her friends were very big into a lot of emo/pop-punk music at the time, and even she remembers the fashion and culture of that era being that way, like small mohawks or pageboys, brand T-shirts, ripped jeans, etc. The girls fashion of the time tended to fall more in line with the preppy Avril Lavigne - esque style.

I still think 2002-2004, especially musically, is an era with its own unique vibe. A lot of songs and music videos that were released in or just before 2004, such as "Perfect", "Stacy's Mom", "Ocean Avenue", "Broken", "The Reason", "Cold", "1985", and "My Happy Ending" could easily pass for 2002, the vibe of those aforementioned songs is very consistent with songs such as "In The End", "The Middle", "A Thousand Miles", "Complicated", "All You Wanted", "Just Like A Pill", "Hero", and "Sk8er Boy".

But anyways, I do welcome your viewpoint, nonetheless.


Yeah, but those photos are in albums at my parent's house.

The new era of millennium "skater" pop punk began in '98 when Home Grown released Act Your Age and continued till 2003 when Fall Out Boy released Take This to Your Grave and the new era of faux-emo began. I fail to see how an album like Enema of the State is different from 2002 pop punk.

A lot of those songs are post-grunge and pop rock rather than explicitly pop punk and while some of the 02 songs could of made it into 2004, a lot of them could of easily come out in 99/00 as well. And In The End? That's nu metal, dude. It hit the top 40 in 2002 but Hybrid Theory already came out in 2000 along with a ton of other similar stuff that sounds exactly like it.

2000 up to 2005 are all core 2000s years. 2006 is on the border but wouldn't be core or classic anymore as so much changed and it became closer to a modern 2000s year. The year 2000 had nothing to do with the '90s and had strong 2000s identity. I wish more people would realize the early 2000s was the most definitive part of the decade by far. (Just like the early 2010s are the most definitive in the 2010s, even though I hate the early 2010s but love the early 2000s).


Now people this is an exception, if you go by SLIM'S definition of the core 2000's you know you had a great 2000's decade to enjoy!  :o

Now people this is an exception, if you go by SLIM'S definition of the core 2000's you know you had a great 2000's decade to enjoy!  :o


Yeah there was this giant shift on September 1, 2006 and the changes are so irreversible that we will never return to a time before the infamous late 2006 shift.

Yeah there was this giant shift on September 1, 2006 and the changes are so irreversible that we will never return to a time before the infamous late 2006 shift.

The world came to an end on September 1, 2006. The change was so huge that earth has never been the same beforehand.
Every September 1 is the anniversary of the late 2006 shift that changed culture, technology, politics, the radius of the earth, communication, good movies, etc. Humanity will never return to its happy and carefree days before the extreme late 2006 shift.

I've talked about this topic extensively, so I'm not gonna repeat myself too much. I'll just link you guys a post I made regarding the question of whether or not 2003 was early or mid 2000s culturally, as it sort of ties in to what we're talking about here:

http://www.inthe00s.com/index.php?topic=54964.45

Essentially, the early 2000s period from a cultural standpoint was from Late 2001 (particularly after 9/11) to around Late 2003/Early 2004 (One could put the Janet Jackson Wardrobe Malfunction or the release of Mean Girls as cultural ends of the early 00s). However, the core 2000s, aka a time when 2000s culture was at its peak, was from roughly Late 2003 to Mid 2008. The fall of 2003 was when modern emo, garage rock, and mid 2000s pop punk really started to take over from the more nu-metal and post grunge sounds of the late 90s/early 00s. Even though the Jimmy Eat The World album Bleed American came out in 2001, the overall aesthetic of the album was still a lot more Y2K era in lyrics and tone, rather than the core (let alone the mid) 00s. I do agree that it did set a precedent though for how core 2000s emo could replicated and sold to in popularity, but then that becomes a question of whether or not you think that either:

A. The quickly evolving and emerging trends are what define a certain era of pop culture

Or

B. The status quo of pop cultural trends is what define a certain era of pop culture


I typically stand towards the latter theory, however even if one were to use the first theory, 2002 still really wouldn't qualify much. I mean sure emo was gaining steam in 2002 (but like us older guys who actually remember how 2002 was actually like, the so called emo trends that year were still a far cry from what emo would of actually evolved into) but nu-metal and post grunge were still the biggest rock genres of 2002, that is just a fact. If you were to ask your average teen in 2002 who was immersed in rock culture what their favorite rock bands were, you'd probably expect a lot of answers like "Blink 182", "Puddle of Mud", "Creed", "Foo Fighters", heck even (I dare say it) "Nickelback". Barely any answers for "Jimmy Eat The World", or "Fall Out Boy", as good and rising in popularity as they were, they just we not on the same level as what was already standardized.

Now 2003, was when emo really started to take a big hold, especially with Evanescence changing their tune to a more emo style of music, as an example. 2002, IMHO, just seemed to be the last big hurrah for the Y2K era of music. While I agree, that main era of Y2K was mainly from 1999-2001, 2002 just had so much in common with 2001 and even 2000 to some extent, that It is hard for me to justifiably say that its core 2000s. Also keep in mind this is just the discussion of rock right now, as I haven't even delved into other genres of music like rap/hip hop, R&B (particularly the Neptunes era of R&B that just screams early 2000s, and not so much mid or core), or pop (one mentioned teen pop going downhill, which I agree for much of the year, but early 2002 was still a bit of a hangover era with NSYNC sort of on their last heels).

That's my two cents on the topic, take it or leave it.

I've talked about this topic extensively, so I'm not gonna repeat myself too much. I'll just link you guys a post I made regarding the question of whether or not 2003 was early or mid 2000s culturally, as it sort of ties in to what we're talking about here:

http://www.inthe00s.com/index.php?topic=54964.45

Essentially, the early 2000s period from a cultural standpoint was from Late 2001 (particularly after 9/11) to around Late 2003/Early 2004 (One could put the Janet Jackson Wardrobe Malfunction or the release of Mean Girls as cultural ends of the early 00s). However, the core 2000s, aka a time when 2000s culture was at its peak, was from roughly Late 2003 to Mid 2008. The fall of 2003 was when modern emo, garage rock, and mid 2000s pop punk really started to take over from the more nu-metal and post grunge sounds of the late 90s/early 00s. Even though the Jimmy Eat The World album Bleed American came out in 2001, the overall aesthetic of the album was still a lot more Y2K era in lyrics and tone, rather than the core (let alone the mid) 00s. I do agree that it did set a precedent though for how core 2000s emo could replicated and sold to in popularity, but then that becomes a question of whether or not you think that either:

A. The quickly evolving and emerging trends are what define a certain era of pop culture

Or

B. The status quo of pop cultural trends is what define a certain era of pop culture


I typically stand towards the latter theory, however even if one were to use the first theory, 2002 still really wouldn't qualify much. I mean sure emo was gaining steam in 2002 (but like us older guys who actually remember how 2002 was actually like, the so called emo trends that year were still a far cry from what emo would of actually evolved into) but nu-metal and post grunge were still the biggest rock genres of 2002, that is just a fact. If you were to ask your average teen in 2002 who was immersed in rock culture what their favorite rock bands were, you'd probably expect a lot of answers like "Blink 182", "Puddle of Mud", "Creed", "Foo Fighters", heck even (I dare say it) "Nickelback". Barely any answers for "Jimmy Eat The World", or "Fall Out Boy", as good and rising in popularity as they were, they just we not on the same level as what was already standardized.

Now 2003, was when emo really started to take a big hold, especially with Evanescence changing their tune to a more emo style of music, as an example. 2002, IMHO, just seemed to be the last big hurrah for the Y2K era of music. While I agree, that main era of Y2K was mainly from 1999-2001, 2002 just had so much in common with 2001 and even 2000 to some extent, that It is hard for me to justifiably say that its core 2000s. Also keep in mind this is just the discussion of rock right now, as I haven't even delved into other genres of music like rap/hip hop, R&B (particularly the Neptunes era of R&B that just screams early 2000s, and not so much mid or core), or pop (one mentioned teen pop going downhill, which I agree for much of the year, but early 2002 was still a bit of a hangover era with NSYNC sort of on their last heels).

That's my two cents on the topic, take it or leave it.



As someone who was a teen in 2002,  Late 2001/ Early 2002 felt exactly the same,  Even in the Fall of 2002 there were little drips of Y2k culture (abiet very small)  Nysncs popularity waned out before 2001 ended, Britney had already turned edgey by then as well.  90s staples such as AMES & Fox Kids closed down in late 2002, so I view 2002 as an extra extension of the late 2001 era.


Late 2002 things began changing slowly, but it was not until late 2003/mid summer 2004 we were FIRMLY secure in the mid 2000 culture.
July 2004 comes to mind, when it hit me the core classic 2000s were here.

I've talked about this topic extensively, so I'm not gonna repeat myself too much. I'll just link you guys a post I made regarding the question of whether or not 2003 was early or mid 2000s culturally, as it sort of ties in to what we're talking about here:

http://www.inthe00s.com/index.php?topic=54964.45

Essentially, the early 2000s period from a cultural standpoint was from Late 2001 (particularly after 9/11) to around Late 2003/Early 2004 (One could put the Janet Jackson Wardrobe Malfunction or the release of Mean Girls as cultural ends of the early 00s). However, the core 2000s, aka a time when 2000s culture was at its peak, was from roughly Late 2003 to Mid 2008. The fall of 2003 was when modern emo, garage rock, and mid 2000s pop punk really started to take over from the more nu-metal and post grunge sounds of the late 90s/early 00s. Even though the Jimmy Eat The World album Bleed American came out in 2001, the overall aesthetic of the album was still a lot more Y2K era in lyrics and tone, rather than the core (let alone the mid) 00s. I do agree that it did set a precedent though for how core 2000s emo could replicated and sold to in popularity, but then that becomes a question of whether or not you think that either:

A. The quickly evolving and emerging trends are what define a certain era of pop culture

Or

B. The status quo of pop cultural trends is what define a certain era of pop culture


I typically stand towards the latter theory, however even if one were to use the first theory, 2002 still really wouldn't qualify much. I mean sure emo was gaining steam in 2002 (but like us older guys who actually remember how 2002 was actually like, the so called emo trends that year were still a far cry from what emo would of actually evolved into) but nu-metal and post grunge were still the biggest rock genres of 2002, that is just a fact. If you were to ask your average teen in 2002 who was immersed in rock culture what their favorite rock bands were, you'd probably expect a lot of answers like "Blink 182", "Puddle of Mud", "Creed", "Foo Fighters", heck even (I dare say it) "Nickelback". Barely any answers for "Jimmy Eat The World", or "Fall Out Boy", as good and rising in popularity as they were, they just we not on the same level as what was already standardized.

Now 2003, was when emo really started to take a big hold, especially with Evanescence changing their tune to a more emo style of music, as an example. 2002, IMHO, just seemed to be the last big hurrah for the Y2K era of music. While I agree, that main era of Y2K was mainly from 1999-2001, 2002 just had so much in common with 2001 and even 2000 to some extent, that It is hard for me to justifiably say that its core 2000s. Also keep in mind this is just the discussion of rock right now, as I haven't even delved into other genres of music like rap/hip hop, R&B (particularly the Neptunes era of R&B that just screams early 2000s, and not so much mid or core), or pop (one mentioned teen pop going downhill, which I agree for much of the year, but early 2002 was still a bit of a hangover era with NSYNC sort of on their last heels).

That's my two cents on the topic, take it or leave it.


Yeah I agree. 2002 seemed like it was there to be there, lacking an identity. It wasn't as notable as 1999/2000 or what would come later in 03/04.

The world came to an end on September 1, 2006. The change was so huge that earth has never been the same beforehand.
Every September 1 is the anniversary of the late 2006 shift that changed culture, technology, politics, the radius of the earth, communication, good movies, etc. Humanity will never return to its happy and carefree days before the extreme late 2006 shift.

"Radius of the earth" lmaooo  ;D ;D ;D ;D

I've talked about this topic extensively, so I'm not gonna repeat myself too much. I'll just link you guys a post I made regarding the question of whether or not 2003 was early or mid 2000s culturally, as it sort of ties in to what we're talking about here:

http://www.inthe00s.com/index.php?topic=54964.45

Essentially, the early 2000s period from a cultural standpoint was from Late 2001 (particularly after 9/11) to around Late 2003/Early 2004 (One could put the Janet Jackson Wardrobe Malfunction or the release of Mean Girls as cultural ends of the early 00s). However, the core 2000s, aka a time when 2000s culture was at its peak, was from roughly Late 2003 to Mid 2008. The fall of 2003 was when modern emo, garage rock, and mid 2000s pop punk really started to take over from the more nu-metal and post grunge sounds of the late 90s/early 00s. Even though the Jimmy Eat The World album Bleed American came out in 2001, the overall aesthetic of the album was still a lot more Y2K era in lyrics and tone, rather than the core (let alone the mid) 00s. I do agree that it did set a precedent though for how core 2000s emo could replicated and sold to in popularity, but then that becomes a question of whether or not you think that either:

A. The quickly evolving and emerging trends are what define a certain era of pop culture

Or

B. The status quo of pop cultural trends is what define a certain era of pop culture


I typically stand towards the latter theory, however even if one were to use the first theory, 2002 still really wouldn't qualify much. I mean sure emo was gaining steam in 2002 (but like us older guys who actually remember how 2002 was actually like, the so called emo trends that year were still a far cry from what emo would of actually evolved into) but nu-metal and post grunge were still the biggest rock genres of 2002, that is just a fact. If you were to ask your average teen in 2002 who was immersed in rock culture what their favorite rock bands were, you'd probably expect a lot of answers like "Blink 182", "Puddle of Mud", "Creed", "Foo Fighters", heck even (I dare say it) "Nickelback". Barely any answers for "Jimmy Eat The World", or "Fall Out Boy", as good and rising in popularity as they were, they just we not on the same level as what was already standardized.

Now 2003, was when emo really started to take a big hold, especially with Evanescence changing their tune to a more emo style of music, as an example. 2002, IMHO, just seemed to be the last big hurrah for the Y2K era of music. While I agree, that main era of Y2K was mainly from 1999-2001, 2002 just had so much in common with 2001 and even 2000 to some extent, that It is hard for me to justifiably say that its core 2000s. Also keep in mind this is just the discussion of rock right now, as I haven't even delved into other genres of music like rap/hip hop, R&B (particularly the Neptunes era of R&B that just screams early 2000s, and not so much mid or core), or pop (one mentioned teen pop going downhill, which I agree for much of the year, but early 2002 was still a bit of a hangover era with NSYNC sort of on their last heels).

That's my two cents on the topic, take it or leave it.


You make a lot of good points and I mostly agree but I just want to point out that aside from a split EP they did (which only a small amount were pressed initially) Fall Out Boy didn't release any records until 2003 with both Evening Out With Your Girlfriend and Take This to Your Grave. :P It wasn't until Take This to Your Grave that they started gaining some buzz and began the new era of faux-emo.

It wasn't until Take This to Your Grave that they started gaining some buzz and began the new era of faux-emo.
Wasn't there anyone who was still emo after 2003, but didn't partake in all black clothing? I think the aspect where everyone dressed in black apparel as emo people seem to exaggerate that.

Wasn't there anyone who was still emo after 2003, but didn't partake in all black clothing? I think the aspect where everyone dressed in black apparel as emo people seem to exaggerate that.


Yeah, but due to faux-emo having a wider mainstream grasp the older scene pretty much ceased to exist. Even Jimmy Eat World and Dashboard Confessional. They were huge 2001/2002 but by 2005 they were replaced by Panic at the Disco and My Chemical Romance.

Yeah, but due to faux-emo having a wider mainstream grasp the older scene pretty much ceased to exist. Even Jimmy Eat World and Dashboard Confessional. They were huge 2001/2002 but by 2005 they were replaced by Panic at the Disco and My Chemical Romance.


Would you say it came in full swing with Green Day's "American Idiot"? From what I've heard, that album got people who would've otherwise not been into faux emo, into faux emo. It wasn't an emo album, but it did have a very emo appeal to it, and it was one of the best selling albums of the 00s.

Would you say it came in full swing with Green Day's "American Idiot"? From what I've heard, that album got people who would've otherwise not been into faux emo, into faux emo. It wasn't an emo album, but it did have a very emo appeal to it, and it was one of the best selling albums of the 00s.


I would say June 2004 because of these important releases:

MCR - Three Cheers for Sweet Revenge
From First to Last - Dear Diary, My Teen Angst Has a Bodycount
Hawthorne Heights - The Silence in Black and White
Aiden - Our Gangs Dark Oath

The rest of the summer was pretty much more of the same black eyeliner and tight pants faux-emo and it kept getting worse and worse as the 00's went on. American Idiot (my biggest musical disappointment ever) was a huge, huge faux-emo landmark but the scene was already a happening thing by that point.