I don't think this is as cut and dry with the '00s as it is the '10s.  It seems like the early '00s gradually became the mid '00s and it led to the darker, more turbulent second half of the decade, beginning around September 2005 after Hurricane Katrina.

If I do try to narrow it down, I would go with one of these moments.

Summer 2003 - Lil John's - Get Low ushers in the "crunk" era as well as the "ringtone rap" era.
MTV Awards 2003 - Britney and Christina kiss and shock the world.  This was the end of their innocent "teen pop" image.  They now had the slutty image that they were associated with in the mid '00s.
Super Bowl 2004 - The infamous "wardrobe malfunction" at the superbowl.  Britney also peaked at this time.  "Toxic", her current single, would be her last Top 10 hit until "Gimme More" in 2007.
Election 2004 - Bush re-elected; national focus shifts to issues like abortion and gay marriage to distract from the increasingly unpopular Iraq War and an economy that doesn't seem to be running on all cylinders.
September 2005 - Hurricane Katrina.  National mood in our country changes around this time.  Bush loses popularity, emo becomes a lot more mainstream, and it's the peak of the "crunk" and "ringtone rap" era of hip-hop. 7th generation consoles debut and PC gaming starts to decline.

If not one of these, where would you place the shift?

I think the shift occurred sometime in Late 2003. 2003 is the first year I can vividly remember and I remember that Early 2004 felt entirely different from 2003. They felt like two separate cultural eras.

Around Late 03/Early 04. I would say Early/Mid 03 was solidly early 00s and Mid/Late 04 was solidly mid 00s - the transition was inbetween.

When Saddam Hussein got captured.

srs. Around that time.

Socially: January 1, 2005
Culturally: January 3, 2005 (When The Late Late Show with Craig Ferguson premiered)
Politically: January 20, 2005 (George W. Bush is inaugurated for a second time)


When Saddam Hussein got captured.

srs. Around that time.


That happened in the mid 2000s. The mid 2000s (2005-2007) had developed its identity by then.

Late 2004
when Myspace became a Zeitgeist thing

Around Late 03/Early 04. I would say Early/Mid 03 was solidly early 00s and Mid/Late 04 was solidly mid 00s - the transition was inbetween.


2002: Solidly post-9/11 early 2000s at first/ early to mid '00s Transition starts
2003: Early to mid '00s transition takes hold
2004: Early to mid '00s transition is just about done
2005: Early to mid '00s transition is over/2002 is dated/ We're now living in the mid '00s

Mid 2003 I say is when the vibe changed

Late 2004 when Myspace was getting popular.

the transition really started in late 2002-mid 2003 with shows like THE OC, and Laguna Beach in development.
the mid 2000s had a california vibe to it.

It's really hard to say because there wasn't really a distinct "mid 00's" culture like there was in the 2010's or 1990's. The 00's can pretty much be split in half. 9/11/2001 to 2004 was the post 9/11 patriotic, conservative, pro-Bush, terrorism fears, hip-hop oriented, reality TV culture while 2005 to late 2008/early 2009 was the more liberal, GWB's lower popularity from post Katrina, MySpace/YouTube/Web 2.0, emo, less hip-hop and more dance pop/electro culture.

May 1, 2003

May 1, 2003


Numerically yes, culturally no.

Somewhere between October 2003-March 2004.

It's really hard to say because there wasn't really a distinct "mid 00's" culture like there was in the 2010's or 1990's.

The mid '00s were the time of Kelly Clarkson, Myspace, and  VH1 celebrity shows.

The 00's can pretty much be split in half. 9/11/2001 to 2004 was the post 9/11 patriotic, conservative, pro-Bush, terrorism fears, hip-hop oriented, reality TV culture while 2005 to late 2008/early 2009 was the more liberal, GWB's lower popularity from post Katrina, MySpace/YouTube/Web 2.0, emo, less hip-hop and more dance pop/electro culture.


Why no mention of the Clinton '00s?  ???

That happened in the mid 2000s. The mid 2000s (2005-2007) had developed its identity by then.


It happened in December 2003.

I'd say the 2003-2004 school year was the transition. I'd say the transition was complete by the Spring of 2004.

Gwen Stefani's "Hollaback Girl" was released in 2004 and it still sounded very early 00s IMO. I'd say 2005.

The mid '00s were the time of Kelly Clarkson, Myspace, and  VH1 celebrity shows.

Why no mention of the Clinton '00s?  ???


Becasue they aren't apart of the the transition to the mid 00s. Clinton was only President in 2000 which is obviosly not the mid 00s, as the peak period of 2000s culture began after 9/11 through to 2008 and there was only one President throughout that time.

Gwen Stefani's "Hollaback Girl" was released in 2004 and it still sounded very early 00s IMO. I'd say 2005.


"Hollaback Girl" was actually released in March 2005

"Hollaback Girl" was actually released in March 2005

Gwen Stefani's album "Love. Angel. Music. Baby.", which the song was part of, was released in November 12th 2004. It was released late 2004 though, so I guess it's more 2005.

Gwen Stefani's "Hollaback Girl" was released in 2004 and it still sounded very early 00s IMO. I'd say 2005.


That song gives me dark mid-2000s memories.  :-[

I felt like a few songs from 2003 like Crazy In Love or anything by 50 Cent already sounded very mid-2000s. Definitely by the Yeah! came out in early 2004, music was already 100% mid-2000s to my ears. Yeah! is like the anthem of the mid-2000s haha.

The 2003-2004 school year was the transformation

Summer 2004 was the fine tuning

and Fall 2004 was start

It happened in December 2003.


My mistake.


Because they aren't apart of the the transition to the mid 00s.


Did you read what Batfan2005 typed? ???

Batfan2005 presented what he believed to be the 2000s period: 9/11/01 to 2004 (part 1) and 2005 to late '08/early '09 (part 2)

However, the 2000s, as a whole, were a transition from the Clinton days to the Obama days. George W. Bush's term was only sandwiched between those two eras.

Clinton was only President in 2000

Clinton was president for one year and a few days in the Y2K era/ very early 2000s (1999-2001).

the peak period of 2000s culture began after 9/11 through to 2008 and there was only one President throughout that time.

I would to disagree, but everyone has their own opinions.

My full opinion (and obviously biased by my personal experiences) is that the early 2000s started fading away at the beginning of 2003 when the Iraq War got underway, the GBA SP came out (along with the dreaded Pokémon Ruby/Sapphire), stores started putting their old VHS on clearance, some 35-40% of the population owned cellphones, and 50 Cent's Get Rich or Die Tryin' came out. The transformation wasn't complete until the end of summer of 2004 when American Idiot came out, when Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas and Halo 2 came out, VHS was completely off the shelves, and 50%+ of the population had cellphones.

Tipping point was when Saddam Hussein got captured. Srs. Okay, but for simplicity's sake I consider the entire year of 2003 to be early 2000s and the entire year of 2004 to be mid-2000s. :P

Why no mention of the Clinton '00s?  ???


Same reason I didn't mention the Obama 00's (2009). The earlier was a continuation of the late 90's Y2K culture while the latter was the beginning of the early 10's culture.


Gwen Stefani's album "Love. Angel. Music. Baby.", which the song was part of, was released in November 12th 2004. It was released late 2004 though, so I guess it's more 2005.


The only song from that album that got airplay in (very late, December) 2004 is "Whatchu Waiting For?" Her following songs "Rich Girl" and then "Hollaback Girl" got popular in Spring of 2005. For the similar reason I associate Lady Gaga with 2009 more than 2008.

Same reason I didn't mention the Obama 00's (2009). The earlier was a continuation of the late 90's Y2K culture while the latter was the beginning of the early 10's culture.


They were still a part of 2000s duodecennium/"decade"(hate that word). George W. Bush was not "the president of the 2000s".

They were still a part of 2000s duodecennium/"decade"(hate that word). George W. Bush was not "the president of the 2000s".


But it's fairly obvious that people will relate him with the 2000s much more than Clinton & Obama who were only President for a year each.

But it's fairly obvious that people will relate him with the 2000s much more than Clinton & Obama who were only President for a year each.


That is very much true.

Roughly autumn 2003.

* Shows like Arrested Development, The Simple Life, Two and a Half Men, and Chapelle's Show debut on the airwaves.
* Crunk becomes a mainstream movement thanks to "Get Low." By this point, 50 Cent is also established as the major rap superstar of the time.
* The Hummer H2 takes off in popularity.
* MySpace is launched.
* Lindsay Lohan stars in the Freaky Friday remake.
* The WOMD controversy starts to really heat up.
* iTunes starts to become mainstream.

For me, culture-wise:

2000-Sept 10, 2001 = Really Early 2000s/Still 90s
Sept 11, 2001-Spring 2004 = Early 2000s
Summer 2004-Summer 2006 = Mid 2000s
Fall 2006-Summer 2008 = Late 2000s
Fall 2008-2012/2013 = Really Late 2000s/Early 2010s (hard for me to separate the late 2000s from the early 10s because I was in high school then and that whole time feels "connected" to me).


How could 2000 and most of '01 be a part of the 1990s when '90s TV shows like Roseanne were no longer on the air?

Numerically yes, culturally no.

Somewhere between October 2003-March 2004.

No, even culturally by summer 2003 it was mid 2000s. I would remember this more than you because you were only 3 and I was 8.

How could 2000 and most of '01 be a part of the 1990s when '90s TV shows like Roseanne were no longer on the air?

They're not. 2000 and 2001 are not 1990s at all, they are definitely 100% 2000s and part of the Y2K era.

For me, culture-wise:

2000-Sept 10, 2001 = Really Early 2000s/Still 90s
Sept 11, 2001-Spring 2004 = Early 2000s
Summer 2004-Summer 2006 = Mid 2000s
Fall 2006-Summer 2008 = Late 2000s
Fall 2008-2012/2013 = Really Late 2000s/Early 2010s (hard for me to separate the late 2000s from the early 10s because I was in high school then and that whole time feels "connected" to me).

It was not '90s anymore in 2000... the '90s culture ended in 1999.

They're not. 2000 and 2001 are not 1990s at all, they are definitely 100% 2000s and part of the Y2K era.


Yet you think late 2008 is 100% early 2010s.....something in your brain just isn't adding up is it :o ???

Yet you think late 2008 is 100% early 2010s.....something in your brain just isn't adding up is it :o ???


I wish this board had an ignore feature.  Slim95 would definitely be on it if it did.

Yet you think late 2008 is 100% early 2010s.....something in your brain just isn't adding up is it :o ???

No, I said late 2008 is the start of the 2010s. Why are you putting words in my mouth? Also I did admit there were a couple late 2000s leftovers up until around 2011. And 2000 is definitely 100% 2000s with no '90s leftovers at all. The '90s culture ended in 1999. The early 2000s are as 2000s as you can get and people who say it was an extension of the 1990s are wrong.

I wish this board had an ignore feature.  Slim95 would definitely be on it if it did.

That's just you not being able to handle varying opinions.  ;D I respect your opinions even if I disagree with them, why can't you do the same?

No, I said late 2008 is the start of the 2010s. Why are you putting words in my mouth? Also I did admit there were a couple late 2000s leftovers up until around 2011. And 2000 is definitely 100% 2000s with no '90s leftovers at all. The '90s culture ended in 1999. The early 2000s are as 2000s as you can get and people who say it was an extension of the 1990s are wrong.

Strange ??? - I would have thought the mid 2000s were as 2000s as you can get but each to their own I guess

Strange ??? - I would have thought the mid 2000s were as 2000s as you can get but each to their own I guess

Early 2000s defined the decade the most. That was the most definitive period of the 2000s.

I wish this board had an ignore feature.  Slim95 would definitely be on it if it did.


There actually is an ignore feature, but now that I know what you're going to use it for I can't tell you.  ;D  :(

Late 2003. The Gameboy SP changed things.

Early 2000s defined the decade the most. That was the most definitive period of the 2000s.


I've previosly seen you say 2005 was the definitive 2000s year, which also happens to be a mid 2000s year ;)

I've previosly seen you say 2005 was the definitive 2000s year, which also happens to be a mid 2000s year ;)

That's because it would make more sense for a mid '00s year to be the ultimate '00s year. The early '00s were still the most definitive. I think 2010 - 2013 defined the 2010s the most, but I still say 2014 is the qunessential year because it's closer to the middle so it makes a little more sense.

That's because it would make more sense for a mid '00s year to be the ultimate '00s year. The early '00s were still the most definitive. I think 2010 - 2013 defined the 2010s the most, but I still say 2014 is the qunessential year because it's closer to the middle so it makes a little more sense.


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I would say 2004 although there was still some early 00s aspects that year.

Oh, and no offense to Slim and Early90sGuy, but some of those ridiculous posts you're both making in several threads have me like:

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Hey UltraDog, offtopic but could you pitch in on my Evolution of Hip-Hop topic in the 2010s section? You might be interested in it.

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What? I explained myself clearly. The early '00s were the most definitive part of the decade.

I would say 2004 although there was still some early 00s aspects that year.

Oh, and no offense to Slim and Early90sGuy, but some of those ridiculous posts you're both making in several threads have me like:

Early '90s guy was right about the early '00s being the most definitive.

Early '90s guy was right about the early '00s being the most definitive.
No. He's wrong. The core 00s was the most definitive. There are things that were relevant in 2001 that were still there in 2009.

No. He's wrong. The core 00s was the most definitive. There are things that were relevant in 2001 that were still there in 2009.

No, he's right. The early 2000s defined the decade the most. Also, there is no rule for what "core 00s" is. You can say core starts and ends any time, nowhere is there a rule it started in 2001. 2000 - 2005 (both the early and mid '00s) were the most definitive parts, with 2000 - 2002 being even more definitive than the mid part. Late 2000s from 2006 onwards didn't feel truly 2000s anymore. Early '90s guy is absolutely right in this and I agree with him. However I would say the same for the 2010s too in that 2010 - 2012 defined the 2010s decade the most.

Oh, and no offense to Slim and Early90sGuy, but some of those ridiculous posts you're both making in several threads have me like:

I have to agree with this. The topic out of balance and everywhere where they shouldn't matter. Decadeology is starting to define InThe00s for me.

User Brian left for this reason, only to come back to it. Its messed up once you think about it.

No, he's right. The early 2000s defined the decade the most. Also, there is no rule for what "core 00s" is. You can say core starts and ends any time, nowhere is there a rule it started in 2001. 2000 - 2005 (both the early and mid-'00s) were the most definitive parts, with 2000 - 2002 being even more definitive than the mid part. The late 2000s from 2006 onwards didn't feel truly 2000s anymore. Early '90s guy is absolutely right in this and I agree with him. However I would say the same for the 2010s too in that 2010 - 2012 defined the 2010s decade the most.
You both are two peas in a pod aren't you? ::)

Again, you missed the point. There are things that were relevant in 2001 that were still there in 2009. That's why I said core 00s in the first place.


I have to agree with this. The topic out of balance and everywhere where they shouldn't matter. Decadeology is starting to define InThe00s for me.

User Brian left, for this reason, only to come back to it. Its messed up once you think about it.
It really is. There are way too many of these topics which is why I haven't responded to these posts all month. There are a few overestimating how transformative 2008 was, and then are posts where one portion of a decade defines the entire era. It's crazy I tell ya.

I don't blame him at all. There's not enough variety of topics like there used to be. However, though, this site will have a diverse range of range again one day even if it might take more time.

The topic out of balance and everywhere where they shouldn't matter.


What?  ???

It really is. There are way too many of these topics which is why I haven't responded to these posts all month. There are a few overestimating how transformative 2008 was, and then are posts where one portion of a decade defines the entire era. It's crazy I tell ya.

I don't blame him at all. There's not enough variety of topics like there used to be. However, though, this site will have a diverse range of range again one day even if it might take more time.


The thing that most annoys me, is how obsessed some people are with analysing insignificant, cultural shifts that occurred during the Late 2000s/Early 2010s. How many times do we have to hear that Late 2008 was supposedly when everything changed ?  ::) It's becoming a joke. Why can't we have more topics about music, movies etc. or about topics that relate to the 20th Century decades.

Why does every, single thread have to revolve around the exact same topics over and over again? Then during the rare time when someone actually creates a topic which is completely unrelated to the cultural shifts of the 2000s, you get one or two people who have to start a discussion about the same piece of crap which plagues ever single thread on this site.

To be honest, the ridiculous manner in which some people obsess over the exact same topics of discussion, is partly the reason why I decided to create my own forum, Popedia. I get so sick of coming on here and reading threads about the same meaningless garbage over and over again. I know some people say that you can ignore threads, but how can you, when the same crap is posted everywhere. Case in point, I created a thread expressing my concerns about inthe00s, and then Early '90s Guy had to turn it into a discussion about 2008 being the first Late 2000s year. It wasn't even necessary!

The forum isn't going to have a diverse range of topics again, if some people continue to keep posting the same dribble about insignificant, cultural shifts.

You both are two peas in a pod aren't you? ::)

Again, you missed the point. There are things that were relevant in 2001 that were still there in 2009. That's why I said core 00s in the first place.
It really is. There are way too many of these topics which is why I haven't responded to these posts all month. There are a few overestimating how transformative 2008 was, and then are posts where one portion of a decade defines the entire era. It's crazy I tell ya.

I don't blame him at all. There's not enough variety of topics like there used to be. However, though, this site will have a diverse range of range again one day even if it might take more time.

It's not an overestimation... 2008 was a huge transformation and the biggest one in my life so far. There hasn't been a greater cultural transformation since 1998, even 2008 may have been a bigger transformation than 1998.

Also you needing to point that out is also related to decadology because you can just ignore it if you'd like. Either way, I am just replying to the posts in these threads I never start these decadological discussions. All users on here talk about it, it's just they don't agree with each other but they are still participating including you. You don't believe 2008 was transitional, I do, both yours and mine opinion can be related to decadology, so almost everyone is participating in it. Everyone has different opinions on it and it is not fact. It is not decadology until people try to make it fact, that's why I always point out that all of this is opinion based on my posts when some people take things too far.

The thing that most annoys me, is how obsessed some people are with analysing insignificant, cultural shifts that occurred during the Late 2000s/Early 2010s. How many times do we have to hear that Late 2008 was supposedly when everything changed ?  ::) It's becoming a joke. Why can't we have more topics about music, movies etc. or about topics that relate to the 20th Century decades.

Why does every, single thread have to revolve around the exact same topics over and over again? Then during the rare time when someone actually creates a topic which is completely unrelated to the cultural shifts of the 2000s, you get one or two people who have to start a discussion about the same piece of crap which plagues ever single thread on this site.

To be honest, the ridiculous manner in which some people obsess over the exact same topics of discussion, is partly the reason why I decided to create my own forum, Popedia. I get so sick of coming on here and reading threads about the same meaningless garbage over and over again. I know some people say that you can ignore threads, but how can you, when the same crap is posted everywhere. Case in point, I created a thread expressing my concerns about inthe00s, and then Early '90s Guy had to turn it into a discussion about 2008 being the first Late 2000s year. It wasn't even necessary!

The forum isn't going to have a diverse range of topics again, if some people continue to keep posting the same dribble about insignificant, cultural shifts.

I think 2008 was a big transformative year. That's my opinion and I will never change it. But anyways, yes the original topics that get made should be more varied on this forum. But you can just ignore the threads you don't like if you want.

However, though, this site will have a diverse range of range again one day even if it might take more time.


At least the new users don't seem all that into it. I noticed their posting uniquely.
What?  ???




I made a typo. You should have been able to understand what I was trying to say though. Decadeology discussion is getting out of balance.

How many times do we have to hear that Late 2008 was supposedly when everything changed ?

I thought it was 2006, the year that the future began, lol.

The thing that most annoys me, is how obsessed some people are with analysing insignificant, cultural shifts that occurred during the Late 2000s/Early 2010s. How many times do we have to hear that Late 2008 was supposedly when everything changed ?  ::) It's becoming a joke. Why can't we have more topics about music, movies etc. or about topics that relate to the 20th Century decades.

Why does every, single thread have to revolve around the exact same topics over and over again? Then during the rare time when someone actually creates a topic which is completely unrelated to the cultural shifts of the 2000s, you get one or two people who have to start a discussion about the same piece of crap which plagues ever single thread on this site.

To be honest, the ridiculous manner in which some people obsess over the exact same topics of discussion, is partly the reason why I decided to create my own forum, Popedia. I get so sick of coming on here and reading threads about the same meaningless garbage over and over again. I know some people say that you can ignore threads, but how can you, when the same crap is posted everywhere. Case in point, I created a thread expressing my concerns about inthe00s, and then Early '90s Guy had to turn it into a discussion about 2008 being the first Late 2000s year. It wasn't even necessary!

The forum isn't going to have a diverse range of topics again, if some people continue to keep posting the same dribble about insignificant, cultural shifts.

I honestly love your forum Popedia and the work that you put into it. It’s very good.

I would say 2004 although there was still some early 00s aspects that year.

Oh, and no offense to Slim and Early90sGuy, but some of those ridiculous posts you're both making in several threads have me like:

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I honestly love your forum Popedia and the work that you put into it. It’s very good.


I agree :)

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I had to ;). Those two have had some of the unnecessary troll posts these last few weeks.

No. He's wrong. The core 00s was the most definitive. There are things that were relevant in 2001 that were still there in 2009.


That is why I say the early 2000s were the most definitive part of that time.

december 2003

That is why I say the early 2000s were the most definitive part of that time.
The early 00s being the definitive excludes the rest of the era. I'm telling you, there were things from the early 00s that were still relevant on 2009. That's why I said core 00s.

december 2003


That's actually quite accurate. Around the last two months of '03, first two months of '04 was when we entered the mid 00s.

That's actually quite accurate. Around the last two months of '03, first two months of '04 was when we entered the mid 00s.
I agree with both of you. 2003 including the end just seems more early 00s more the middle.

I had to ;). Those two have had some of the unnecessary troll posts these last few weeks.

I wasn't trolling... I am being serious in all my opinions. Why would you say I'm trolling? I'm not allowed to express my opinion, is that what you're saying?

I wasn't trolling... I am being serious in all my opinions. Why would you say I'm trolling? I'm not allowed to express my opinion, is that what you're saying?
Yeah, you are allowed to; however, sometimes and you and Early90sGuy come off as trolls and being d**ks when someone says something else other than your viewpoints.

The thing that most annoys me, is how obsessed some people are with analyzing insignificant, cultural shifts that occurred during the Late 2000s/Early 2010s. How many times do we have to hear that Late 2008 was supposedly when everything changed?  ::) It's becoming a joke. Why can't we have more topics about music, movies etc. or about topics that relate to the 20th Century decades.

Why does every, single thread have to revolve around the exact same topics over and over again? Then during the rare time when someone actually creates a topic which is completely unrelated to the cultural shifts of the 2000s, you get one or two people who have to start a discussion about the same piece of crap which plagues every single thread on this site.

To be honest, the ridiculous manner in which some people obsess over the exact same topics of discussion is partly the reason why I decided to create my own forum, Popedia. I get so sick of coming on here and reading threads about the same meaningless garbage over and over again. I know some people say that you can ignore threads, but how can you, when the same crap is posted everywhere. Case in point, I created a thread expressing my concerns about inthe00s, and then Early '90s Guy had to turn it into a discussion about 2008 being the first Late 2000s year. It wasn't even necessary!

The forum isn't going to have a diverse range of topics again if some people continue to keep posting the same dribble about insignificant, cultural shifts.
Agreed! We need to have those topics again. Everyone generated discussion when we talked about pop culture including users who don't come on here as much anymore.

I know! There are way too many discussions about the change of 2008, and it wasn't even that transformative from the start. Hopefully, those get put to rest soon.

Yeah, he did. I only mentioned the 2008 topics because that is what was heating at the moment, and then I suggested there are threads I made some time ago that you and others could check out; however, he unnecessarily brought that up.


It's not an overestimation... 2008 was a huge transformation and the biggest one in my life so far. There hasn't been a greater cultural transformation since 1998, even 2008 may have been a bigger transformation than 1998.

Also, you need to point that out is also related to decadology because you can just ignore it if you'd like. Either way, I am just replying to the posts in these threads I never start these decadological discussions. All users on here talk about it, it's just they don't agree with each other but they are still participating including you. You don't believe 2008 was transitional, I do, both yours and my opinion can be related to decadology, so almost everyone is participating in it. Everyone has different opinions on it and it is not fact. It is not decadology until people try to make it fact, that's why I always point out that all of this is opinion based on my posts when some people take things too far.
It is! You're leaving several other factors and cherry picking on why 2008 is the start of the 10s. It's bogus. You need to look at the year from an objective perspective, not a personal viewpoint.

I don't have a problem with these discussions either, but you have to understand the topics about a huge shift is getting tiring. We have been talking about the change of 2008 for the past several months and it's been nothing but endless hostile debates.

The early 00s being the definitive excludes the rest of the era. I'm telling you, there were things from the early 00s that were still relevant on 2009. That's why I said core 00s.

What sounds best to you: The 2000s being the period of Harry Potter books, Pokémon, and Britney Spears or the aughts being the age of Livestrong wristbands, High School Musical, and Kelly Clarkson?

What sounds best to you: The 2000s being the period of Harry Potterbooks, Pokémon, and Britney Spears or the aughts being the age of Livestrong wristbands, High School Musical, and Kelly Clarkson?
Both. I think of all those things when I think about the 00s except Pokémon which to me is more 90s.

Both. I think of all those things when I think about the 00s except Pokémon which to me is more 90s.


Pokémon was a Y2K era into the mid '00s thing. It was only around for one year of the '90s (1998).

Pokémon was a Y2K era into the mid '00s thing. It was only around for one year of the '90s (1998).
If you're talking about the fad, not really. It was a Y2K thing which is more 90s. If you're talking about the anime, then that will be early 00s. No one was really watching Pokémon after the first series.

If you're talking about the fad, not really. It was a Y2K thing which is more 90s. If you're talking about the anime, then that will be early 00s. No one was really watching Pokémon after the first series.


1999 is a part of the '90s "decade", but I don't count it as a '90s year.

Yeah, you are allowed to; however, sometimes and you and Early90sGuy come off as trolls and being d**ks when someone says something else other than your viewpoints.

I'm not trying to. I'm just expressing my viewpoints on these topics.

1999 is a part of the '90s "decade", but I don't count it as a '90s year.

Agreed. I see 1999 as a 2000s year culturally. 1998 is like the last cultural year of the '90s.

If you're talking about the fad, not really. It was a Y2K thing which is more 90s. If you're talking about the anime, then that will be early 00s. No one was really watching Pokémon after the first series.

Y2K isn't more '90s.  :o Y2K is a 2000s trend. It started in 1999, but it still a cultural 2000s trend. 1999 - 2001 was strong 2000s culture. When I think of the 2000s, I always think of Y2K first as it's part of '00s identity. When I think of '90s, I think of grunge and other early to mid '90s trends, not Y2K.

I see Y2K as belonging to both decades :P

I'm not trying to. I'm just expressing my viewpoints on these topics.
Well, you both are. There's nothing wrong with opinions, but don't come off as being an a**hole. It will turn people away.


Y2K isn't more '90s.  :o Y2K is a 2000s trend. It started in 1999, but it still a cultural 2000s trend. 1999 - 2001 was strong 2000s culture. When I think of the 2000s, I always think of Y2K first as it's part of '00s identity. When I think of the '90s, I think of grunge and other early to mid-'90s trends, not Y2K.
It's more 90s to me. I think about Y2K along with earlier portions of the decade when I I think of the 90s.

I see Y2K as belonging to both decades :P


It is both, but slightly more '90s. There were signs of it in 1996, and 1999 was the peak year.

It is both, but slightly more '90s. There were signs of it in 1996, and 1999 was the peak year.

I would say Y2K is 100% 2000s and started in 1999. The true '90s ended in 1998. The Y2K era (and the early 2000s when we're on that point) was not an extension of the '90s. This is the biggest myth ever told.

It is both, but slightly more '90s. There were signs of it in 1996, and 1999 was the peak year.


I would've said Y2K was just 1999-2001, or 1997-2003 as a whole

I would say Y2K is 100% 2000s and started in 1999. The true '90s ended in 1998. The Y2K era (and the early 2000s when we're on that point) was not an extension of the '90s. This is the biggest myth ever told.


It started in 1999? So what were Limp Bizkit, NSYNC, Backstreet Boys, Spice Girls, Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Nintendo 64/Playstation 1, Blink-182 all doing in 1997? :o

1999 was the peak of Y2K, it was when everything Y2K was on the table, but I wouldn't call it the start.


I would've said Y2K was just 1999-2001, or 1997-2003 as a whole


I would say 1996 is more Y2K than 2003. 1996 to 2003 is the extended Y2K, what people would mean when they say "late 1990s and early 2000s" (combined). When the 'peak' Y2K was is debateable, it seems everyone has their own opinion depending on what they focus on. To me it was 1997-2001 since I focus on video games mostly. I don't get how you get squarely 1999-2001?

It started in 1999? So what were Limp Bizkit, NSYNC, Backstreet Boys, Spice Girls, Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Nintendo 64/Playstation 1, Blink-182 all doing in 1997? :o

1999 was the peak of Y2K, it was when everything Y2K was on the table, but I wouldn't call it the start.

I would say 1996 is more Y2K than 2003. 1996 to 2003 is the extended Y2K, what people would mean when they say "late 1990s and early 2000s" (combined). When the 'peak' Y2K was is debateable, it seems everyone has their own opinion depending on what they focus on. To me it was 1997-2001 since I focus on video games mostly. I don't get how you get squarely 1999-2001?

What about them? Y2K is about the fears of the computer systems crashing which started late 1998 and 1999. Those groups aren't Y2K era groups, they are simply late '90s groups. Late '90s is 1997 and 1998, 1999 belongs to the '00sey Y2K era with the futuristic aesthetics and bubblegum pop. It started in 1999, not 1997. 1997 did not have the same futuristic Y2K vibe as 1999 did. A lot of people didn't even have the internet in 1997. It's totally different and seperate from the Y2K era (1999 - 2001)

What about them? Y2K is about the fears of the computer systems crashing which started late 1998 and 1999. Those groups aren't Y2K era groups, they are simply late '90s groups. Late '90s is 1997 and 1998, 1999 belongs to the '00sey Y2K era with the futuristic aesthetics and bubblegum pop. It started in 1999, not 1997. 1997 did not have the same futuristic Y2K vibe as 1999 did. A lot of people didn't even have the internet in 1997. It's totally different and seperate from the Y2K era (1999 - 2001)


I agree. I think a lot of the things listed were more late 90s, than Y2K specifically. 1999-2001 was the peak of the era.

I wouldn't even say 1999 - 2001 is the peak of the era, I would say it was the era. So the Y2K era literally started in 1999 (or late 1998) and ended in 2001 (9/11 marked the end). The peak would be New Years Day 2000 because technically that's when the Y2K concerns ended. The Y2K era is a short and seperate era from the late '90s and early 2000s. It was a unique era.

What about them? Y2K is about the fears of the computer systems crashing which started late 1998 and 1999. Those groups aren't Y2K era groups, they are simply late '90s groups. Late '90s is 1997 and 1998, 1999 belongs to the '00sey Y2K era with the futuristic aesthetics and bubblegum pop. It started in 1999, not 1997. 1997 did not have the same futuristic Y2K vibe as 1999 did. A lot of people didn't even have the internet in 1997. It's totally different and seperate from the Y2K era (1999 - 2001)


There were definitely Y2K fears in 1997. There were Y2K fears as early as the '80s. It's not just about computer bugs anyway, the vast majority of people did not believe in any apocalypse, there was optimism for the new millennium, that's what 2000 and Y2K represents. No intelligent person was concerning themselves over computer bugs. 1997 is when companies concerned themselves with trying to look futuristic in their aesthetics.

1997 is when the Internet got popular and an established part of pop culture, it was seen as the cool new thing. That's when 56k modems came out and the Internet was more bearable to browse. You'll never find anyone calling 1997 a "pre-Internet" year. That's when AOL started sending out their free dial-up CDs (Y2K as f*ck), and even people who didn't have Internet had an email address that they would access at work, school or Internet cafés. 1999 is simply when Internet became essential and was common to have in households, and people recognized it was here to stay.

Saying 1997 is a pre-Internet year is like saying 2010 is a pre-smartphone year.

I wouldn't even say 1999 - 2001 is the peak of the era, I would say it was the era. So the Y2K era literally started in 1999 (or late 1998) and ended in 2001 (9/11 marked the end). The peak would be New Years Day 2000 because technically that's when the Y2K concerns ended. The Y2K era is a short and seperate era from the late '90s and early 2000s. It was a unique era.


Isn't that a contradiction? If 1997 isn't Y2K because people didn't care about the Y2K bug, then how are 2000/2001 Y2K when that concern was passed us?

I forgot to mention that 1997 had Puff Daddy LOL.

Isn't that a contradiction? If 1997 isn't Y2K because people didn't care about the Y2K bug, then how are 2000/2001 Y2K when that concern was passed us?

I forgot to mention that 1997 had Puff Daddy LOL.


You do realise the Y2K era isn't based off some stupid people believing in a computer bug right? ???

You do realise the Y2K era isn't based off some stupid people believing in a computer bug right? ???


That's what I'm saying. You should direct that reply to Slim :P

That's what I'm saying. You should direct that reply to Slim :P


Lol ;D, I was kinda confused as to who I was actually agreeing with based on your posts ;D

Based on this poll, I would say Super Bowl XXXVIII (38) on February 1, 2004.

That Super Bowl win cemented the Patriots dominance for the rest of the 2000s and present.

Also, the whole Nipplegate fiasco with Janet Jackson and Justin Timberlake symbolized the end of the early '00s. That fiasco was the MAIN reason why YouTube was invented a year later in 2005.

You do realise the Y2K era isn't based off some stupid people believing in a computer bug right? ???

Yes it is, look up Y2K. That's exactly what it means. It's about a computer bug primarily and that is the definition of Y2K.

Isn't that a contradiction? If 1997 isn't Y2K because people didn't care about the Y2K bug, then how are 2000/2001 Y2K when that concern was passed us?

I forgot to mention that 1997 had Puff Daddy LOL.

Well it is primarily based on the computer bug fears, so it can't go that far out and start that early. 1997 just doesn't have the same atmosphere.

Yes it is, look up Y2K. That's exactly what it means. It's about a computer bug primarily and that is the definition of Y2K.


I remember when this topic used to be talked about during my early days as a member, which feels refreshing now. Thank you.

You do realise the Y2K era isn't based off some stupid people believing in a computer bug right? ???

http://searchwindowsserver.techtarget.com/definition/Y2K-year-2000

I remember when this topic used to be talked about during my early days as a member, which feels refreshing now. Thank you.

No problem, it was an awesome era.

I remember when this topic used to be talked about during my early days as a member, which feels refreshing now. Thank you.


We should talk about the mid-late '90s more, that will keep 9 year olds away from this site.  :-X

By the time Final Fantasy 7 and Mario Kart 64 came out in 1997, it was already Y2K era IMO. That's when the 5th gen really took off. 3D gaming felt futuristic. There was Super Mario 64 in late 1996 too.

I'd say the Y2K era began when the Spice Girls invaded America on 1/7/1997.

We should talk about the mid-late '90s more, that will keep 9 year olds away from this site.  :-X

By the time Final Fantasy 7 and Mario Kart 64 came out in 1997, it was already Y2K era IMO. That's when the 5th gen really took off. 3D gaming felt futuristic. There was Super Mario 64 in late 1996 too.

That was late '90s. But the Y2K era was a separate era. A lot of it did have to do with the concerns of the year 2000 and the computer bug, which was in 1999. And in 1999 it had more a futuristic look, 1997 was still more like classic 1990s.

I'd say the Y2K era began when the Spice Girls invaded America on 1/7/1997.


I forgot they come out a year late in the US. In the rest of the world they took over the airwaves in late 1996, which is why I see 1996 as a sort of proto-Y2K.


That was late '90s. But the Y2K era was a separate era. A lot of it did have to do with the concerns of the year 2000 and the computer bug, which was in 1999. And in 1999 it had more a futuristic look, 1997 was still more like classic 1990s.


Is fear of computer bug the only definition of Y2K to you? By that definition, 2000 isn't Y2K either.

To me Y2K is teen pop, nu-metal, pop punk, revolutionary and party video games, anime exploding in popularity, roaring economy, political polarization/scandal (in the US), high optimism, rapid advances in technology, and the Internet quickly gaining ground (but still not being an absolute necessity).

This started in 1997 and went on until 2001/2002ish. 1999 was the peak of it all with Britney Spears, Christina Aguilera, Enema of the State, Pokémon, stock market highs, Monica Lewinsky scandal etc. all being at the peak of their popularity.

1997 and early 1998 are core '90s but they're also Y2K. They were the advanced '90s.

Is fear of computer bug the only definition of Y2K to you? By that definition, 2000 isn't Y2K either.

To me Y2K is teen pop, nu-metal, pop punk, revolutionary and party video games, anime exploding in popularity, roaring economy, political polarization/scandal (in the US), high optimism, rapid advances in technology, and the Internet quickly gaining ground (but still not being an absolute necessity).

This started in 1997 and went on until 2001/2002ish. 1999 was the peak of it all with Britney Spears, Christina Aguilera, Enema of the State, Pokémon, stock market highs, Monica Lewinsky scandal etc. all being at the peak of their popularity.

1997 and early 1998 are core '90s but they're also Y2K. They were the advanced '90s.

I agree.

http://searchwindowsserver.techtarget.com/definition/Y2K-year-2000


That literally doesn't make any sense. By using your definition means that the Y2K era is just based of the Y2K computer bug which was only relevant before the actual year 2000 and afterwards this wasn't an issue anymore, so theoretically your saying that 2nd January 2000 is therefore not a part of the Y2K era and that obvously doesn't make any sense.
So just as I said, the era is not just based off this computer bug.

That literally doesn't make any sense. By using your definition means that the Y2K era is just based of the Y2K computer bug which was only relevant before the actual year 2000 and afterwards this wasn't an issue anymore, so theoretically your saying that 2nd January 2000 is therefore not a part of the Y2K era and that obvously doesn't make any sense.
So just as I said, the era is not just based off this computer bug.

The era was built upon that, so it doesn't make sense for it go further than 2001 or earlier than 1999 imo. I think late '90s, Y2K, and early '00s are all separate eras.

The era was built upon that, so it doesn't make sense for it go further than 2001 or earlier than 1999 imo. I think late '90s, Y2K, and early '00s are all separate eras.


Yes, which is why I orginally said 1999-2001. Other people were questioning that. Then there was late 1996-late 1998 & late 2001-2003 as other eras

To me Y2K is teen pop, nu-metal, pop punk, revolutionary and party video games, anime exploding in popularity, roaring economy, political polarization/scandal (in the US), high optimism, rapid advances in technology, and the Internet quickly gaining ground (but still not being an absolute necessity).

This started in 1997 and went on until 2001/2002ish. 1999 was the peak of it all with Britney Spears, Christina Aguilera, Enema of the State, Pokémon, stock market highs, Monica Lewinsky scandal etc. all being at the peak of their popularity.

1997 and early 1998 are core '90s but they're also Y2K. They were the advanced '90s.


'97 and early '98 both belong to the late '90s only. All of the things you mentioned (that came out of '97 and '98) do not define the late '90s. '96 to '98 was the period of Brandy, Party of Five, Beanie Babies, Fashion Cafe, Tommy Hilfiger, Moviefone, and Will Smith action movies. In '99, people completely moved on to Britney Spears, South Park, Pokémon, Adam Sandler movies,  Monica Lewinsky jokes, and Harry Potter books. '96 to '98 and '99 to '01 are all separate eras.

Based on this poll, I would say Super Bowl XXXVIII (38) on February 1, 2004.

That Super Bowl win cemented the Patriots dominance for the rest of the 2000s and present.

Also, the whole Nipplegate fiasco with Janet Jackson and Justin Timberlake symbolized the end of the early '00s. That fiasco was the MAIN reason why YouTube was invented a year later in 2005.


I agree with this! I feel the 2003-2004 school year was just the peak of the early-Mid 2000’s transition. However, I did vote for Super Bowl 2004 for similar reasons, along with the fact that around that point culture wa starting to lean more mid 2000’s. I think the transition was complete by Spring of 2004, when Mean Girls came out, which (IMHO) was one of many major catalysts that changed the youth culture of the 2000’s from the earlier ‘Early Y Youth Culture’ dominated by early-Mid 80’s babies to the Mid-later ‘Core Y Youth Culture’ dominated by late 80’s/early 90’s babies.

2004 also had the cult classic Napoleon Dynamite, another classic Mid 00’s Millennial/Gen Y movie

On the topic of the Late 90’s v. Y2K v. Early 00’s debate, I always saw each section as it’s own distinct sub era, enveloped into one big era known as the ‘Millennium Era’.

The Millennium Era spans from 1997-Late 2003/Early 2004, basically distinctive from the core 90’s (1992-Late 1996/Early 1997) and the Core 00’s (2004-Late 2008/Early 2009).

There’s three sub eras within the Millennium Era:


Late 1990’s: Winter 1996/1997 through Autumn 1998


Y2K Period (Equally Late 90’s & early 00’s in pop culture): Winter 1998/1999 through September 10th, 2001

Early 2000’s: September 11th, 2001 through Winter 2003/2004

On the topic of the Late 90’s v. Y2K v. Early 00’s debate, I always saw each section as it’s own distinct sub era, enveloped into one big era known as the ‘Millennium Era’.

The Millennium Era spans from 1997-Late 2003/Early 2004, basically distinctive from the core 90’s (1992-Late 1996/Early 1997) and the Core 00’s (2004-Late 2008/Early 2009).

There’s three sub eras within the Millennium Era:


Late 1990’s: Winter 1996/1997 through Autumn 1998


Y2K Period (Equally Late 90’s & early 00’s in pop culture): Winter 1998/1999 through September 10th, 2001

Early 2000’s: September 11th, 2001 through Winter 2003/2004


Why did you list the winter of '96/1997 as the start of the late '90s?

'97 and early '98 both belong to the late '90s only. All of the things you mentioned (that came out of '97 and '98) do not define the late '90s. '96 to '98 was the period of Brandy, Party of Five, Beanie Babies, Fashion Cafe, Tommy Hilfiger, Moviefone, and Will Smith action movies. In '99, people completely moved on to Britney Spears, South Park, Pokémon, Adam Sandler movies,  Monica Lewinsky jokes, and Harry Potter books. '96 to '98 and '99 to '01 are all separate eras.


But you agree that stuff that started to get popular in 1996-1998 defines 1999, right?

The era was built upon that, so it doesn't make sense for it go further than 2001 or earlier than 1999 imo. I think late '90s, Y2K, and early '00s are all separate eras.


To me Y2K is stuff that got popular in the late '90s and lasted into the early 2000s.

But you agree that stuff that started to get popular in 1996-1998 defines 1999, right?


Yes, definitely.

Why did you list the winter of '96/1997 as the start of the late '90s?


The reasoning for the Winter Season of 1996-1997 being the approximate start of the Late 1990's was mainly due to it being the start of many iconic Late 90's teen artists already making bid debuts, such as The Spice Girls and The Backstreet Boys. You also had the 'official' death of Grunge with the disbandment of Soundgarden in February of 1997, prompting 90's alternative to go in a more Post-Grunge and or Nu Metal directions, with the rise in Nu Metal bands like Linkin Park and Korn. The Golden Age of Hip Hop also ended in 1997, with the death of Biggie Smalls, prompting an end to the mid 1990's East v. West Coast Rap Wars, and for hip hop to go in a more poppish direction thanks to the rise in popularity of Puff Daddy and Junior M.A.F.I.A.

1996/1997 also was the first school year in which popular Late 90's TV shows like Everybody Loves Raymond, 7th Heaven, Sabrina The Teenaged Witch, and the rise in popularity of shows like FRIENDS. You also had the launch of the N64 in September of 1996, which took steam in the Winter of 1996/1997 during Christmas time, as the SNES practically became irrelevant by that point (arguably the last viable SNES game to compete against the N64 was Donkey Kong Country 3: Dixie's Double Trouble, which released in November of 1996), along with the PS1 now having worthwhile exclusive titles like Tomb Raider and Crash Bandicoot.

Although, due to the changes not being 100% complete by that point, I generally see the 1996-1997 school year as simply the ultimate peak in transition between mid 90's and late 90's pop culture. I'd say by the Summer of 1997, the transition was complete and we were officially in the Late 90's cultural era. Similar, the 1998-199 school year was the transition from Pure Late 90's culture into Y2K Culture (Y2K simply means, when the culture was equally Late 90's & Early 00's in Nature). However, I'd say by April 20th, 1999 (with Columbine) we were officially in the Y2K era of sorts.

Summer of 2004 IMO...