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Subject: I think 2009 was already a 10s year culturally
Written By: Charmed17 on 09/27/17 at 4:59 pm
I definitely think that 2009 with it's culture and tech and the way it felt was already a 10s year(early 10s at least) ::)
Subject: Re: I think 2009 was already a 10s year culturally
Written By: Longaotian00 on 09/27/17 at 5:16 pm
I definitely think that 2009 with it's culture and tech and the way it felt was already a 10s year(early 10s at least) ::)
I don't agree. While 2009 did have a lot of stuff that would become popular in the 2010s, a lot of people overestimate how 10's 2009 was. in terms of tech, most people still didn't have smartphones in 2009, and they wouldn't get really popular until a year or two later.
Subject: Re: I think 2009 was already a 10s year culturally
Written By: Slim95 on 09/27/17 at 6:51 pm
I definitely think that 2009 with it's culture and tech and the way it felt was already a 10s year(early 10s at least) ::)
Yes exactly! The 2010s started in late 2008. 2009 is the first full early '10s year.
I don't agree. While 2009 did have a lot of stuff that would become popular in the 2010s, a lot of people overestimate how 10's 2009 was. in terms of tech, most people still didn't have smartphones in 2009, and they wouldn't get really popular until a year or two later.
Having smartphones don't dictate whether something is early '10s culture. Many people didn't have smarptohnes in 2010, doesn't make it any less early '10s. Other more important stuff like the great recession and Obama make 2009 clearly an early '10s year.
Subject: Re: I think 2009 was already a 10s year culturally
Written By: mxcrashxm on 09/27/17 at 7:02 pm
Yes exactly! The 2010s started in late 2008. 2009 is the first full early '10s year.
Having smartphones don't dictate whether something is early '10s culture. Many people didn't have smarptohnes in 2010, doesn't make it any less early '10s. Other more important stuff like the great recession and Obama make 2009 clearly an early '10s year.
Hold on. There were lots of things that make 2009 part of its original decade. It wasnt as early 10s as you think. You're probably saying that because the change must have occurred earlier in Canada.
Subject: Re: I think 2009 was already a 10s year culturally
Written By: LooseBolt on 09/27/17 at 7:12 pm
Quick, we need you here!
Subject: Re: I think 2009 was already a 10s year culturally
Written By: Longaotian00 on 09/27/17 at 11:14 pm
Having smartphones don't dictate whether something is early '10s culture. Many people didn't have smarptohnes in 2010, doesn't make it any less early '10s. Other more important stuff like the great recession and Obama make 2009 clearly an early '10s year.
Uhhhh again?! ::) If you actually paid attention to my post, I said "in terms of tech".....smartphones, as OP said that 2009s culutre AND TECH! made it feels like 10's year. Btw, can you at least closely read the posts in the thread before you start criticising me.
Also I never said everyone in 2010 had a smartphone. :-X
Subject: Re: I think 2009 was already a 10s year culturally
Written By: ZeldaFan20 on 09/28/17 at 8:50 am
The period from Late 2008 through the Winter of 2010/2011 is similar to the Y2K era, aka Late 1998 through Summer 2001, in which it wasn't distinctly Late 00's or Early 10's.
I (like many others on this forum) used to be under the impression that 2009 was solidly (early) 2010's culturally. However, looking back now 2009 seems to not connect that much with the current era then it used to be say a few years ago, but at the same time isn't completely connected to the core aspects of the 2000's.
It was still within the 'Blackberry Era' of smartphones, the effects of the Great Recession were arguably at their worst, many iconic 2000's trends like emo/scene, skater punk, prep (Abercrombie, Aero, Hollister, etc.) etc were still popular, it was the last hurrah for rock music having any mainstream relevance, hip hop was still primarily dominated by Late 00's artists like Akon, Sean Kingston, Timbaland, etc . among other trends. Although these trends were on their last legs, plus this being the period of the acceleration of 2010's trends getting big like the indie/hipster trend, thrift stores, iPhoes/androids, electropop music, EDM, Dubstep, 2010's sounding hip hop, etc.
Hence why I'm not too sure about 2009 being safely early 10's anymore. Heck even the year 2010 itself is starting to seem more and more distant now. I don't think the real early 2010's actually began until sometime around 2011, and they ended sometime around 2013.
Subject: Re: I think 2009 was already a 10s year culturally
Written By: HazelBlue99 on 09/28/17 at 9:28 am
Hence why I'm not too sure about 2009 being safely early 10's anymore. Heck even the year 2010 itself is starting to seem more and more distant now. I don't think the real early 2010's actually began until sometime around 2011, and they ended sometime around 2013.
In retrospect, I tend to agree that Late 2008-Mid 2011 was it's own cultural era. Although, I can actually remember the general vibe/atmosphere changing at certain points throughout that period of time. Late 2008-Mid 2009 still felt solidly Late 2000's, for the most part. I remember there was a bit of change in vibe around September/October 2009, when the Black Eyed Pea's "I Gotta Feeling" had become a massive hit. This cultural vibe lasted until about April 2011, when it felt like the last traces of 2000's culture had completely died off. So if I were to define the eras based on how I experienced them, it would look like this:
Early- September/October 2009: Late 2000's
September/October 2009 - April 2011: "Hybrid" Late 2000s/Early 2010s Cultural Era
April 2011 - April 2013: Early 2010s Culture
Subject: Re: I think 2009 was already a 10s year culturally
Written By: Slim95 on 09/28/17 at 10:14 am
The period from Late 2008 through the Winter of 2010/2011 is similar to the Y2K era, aka Late 1998 through Summer 2001, in which it wasn't distinctly Late 00's or Early 10's.
I (like many others on this forum) used to be under the impression that 2009 was solidly (early) 2010's culturally. However, looking back now 2009 seems to not connect that much with the current era then it used to be say a few years ago, but at the same time isn't completely connected to the core aspects of the 2000's.
It was still within the 'Blackberry Era' of smartphones, the effects of the Great Recession were arguably at their worst, many iconic 2000's trends like emo/scene, skater punk, prep (Abercrombie, Aero, Hollister, etc.) etc were still popular, it was the last hurrah for rock music having any mainstream relevance, hip hop was still primarily dominated by Late 00's artists like Akon, Sean Kingston, Timbaland, etc . among other trends. Although these trends were on their last legs, plus this being the period of the acceleration of 2010's trends getting big like the indie/hipster trend, thrift stores, iPhoes/androids, electropop music, EDM, Dubstep, 2010's sounding hip hop, etc.
Hence why I'm not too sure about 2009 being safely early 10's anymore. Heck even the year 2010 itself is starting to seem more and more distant now. I don't think the real early 2010's actually began until sometime around 2011, and they ended sometime around 2013.
Cuturally speaking:
Early '10s were from late 2008 to late 2013.
Mid 2010s from 2014 to late 2015
Late 2010s 2016 to ? (I predict late 2018)
This works the same as the 2000s, but the Y2K era was more distinct in the early '10s.
Subject: Re: I think 2009 was already a 10s year culturally
Written By: 2001 on 09/28/17 at 10:53 am
It had both 2000s and 2010s elements, but towards the end, especially after iPhone 3GS, Windows 7, Avatar came out, the 2010s had certainly begun. Lady Gaga hit it big that year and there was a lot more electropop. Emo and ringtone rap died off in the middle of the year.
Subject: Re: I think 2009 was already a 10s year culturally
Written By: ZeldaFan20 on 09/28/17 at 10:58 am
Cuturally speaking:
Early '10s were from late 2008 to late 2013.
Mid 2010s from 2014 to late 2015
Late 2010s 2016 to ? (I predict late 2018)
This works the same as the 2000s, but the Y2K era was more distinct in the early '10s.
No offense but I don't really understand your logic on the 'early', 'mid', 'late' denotations. If you care to elaborate that'd be great, but if you were to ask me I'd divide it like this:
Spring 2009 - Winter 2010/2011: 'Peak' Electropop Era (neither distinctly 00's or 10's)
Spring 2011 - Summer 2013: Early 2010's
Autumn 2013 - Winter 2016/2017: Mid 2010's
Spring 2017 - Present: Late 2010's
I could elaborate if you want me to about why I go with this theory, but elaborate on yours first, I'm just curious.
Subject: Re: I think 2009 was already a 10s year culturally
Written By: Howard on 09/28/17 at 1:10 pm
Uhhhh again?! ::) If you actually paid attention to my post, I said "in terms of tech".....smartphones, as OP said that 2009s culutre AND TECH! made it feels like 10's year. Btw, can you at least closely read the posts in the thread before you start criticising me.
Also I never said everyone in 2010 had a smartphone. :-X
I think I had a regular flip phone at that time.
Subject: Re: I think 2009 was already a 10s year culturally
Written By: John Titor on 09/28/17 at 2:35 pm
In retrospect, I tend to agree that Late 2008-Mid 2011 was it's own cultural era. Although, I can actually remember the general vibe/atmosphere changing at certain points throughout that period of time. Late 2008-Mid 2009 still felt solidly Late 2000's, for the most part. I remember there was a bit of change in vibe around September/October 2009, when the Black Eyed Pea's "I Gotta Feeling" had become a massive hit. This cultural vibe lasted until about April 2011, when it felt like the last traces of 2000's culture had completely died off. So if I were to define the eras based on how I experienced them, it would look like this:
Early- September/October 2009: Late 2000's
September/October 2009 - April 2011: "Hybrid" Late 2000s/Early 2010s Cultural Era
April 2011 - April 2013: Early 2010s Culture
Yeah you could feel that at certain points the vibe changed, That summer of 2009 was very boring, I don't know if this is due to a lot of stores being gone, or things ending but it felt VERY boring and dry. Once I gotta feeling came out / along with Windows 7 it felt like the 2010s was here despite the precursor happening in late 2008.
Around May 2011 when around the time Osama was caught it felt like The mood shifted into the more modern 2010s, however I will argue with you and say that vibe stayed until December 2011.
Subject: Re: I think 2009 was already a 10s year culturally
Written By: Slim95 on 09/28/17 at 2:44 pm
No offense but I don't really understand your logic on the 'early', 'mid', 'late' denotations. If you care to elaborate that'd be great, but if you were to ask me I'd divide it like this:
Spring 2009 - Winter 2010/2011: 'Peak' Electropop Era (neither distinctly 00's or 10's)
Spring 2011 - Summer 2013: Early 2010's
Autumn 2013 - Winter 2016/2017: Mid 2010's
Spring 2017 - Present: Late 2010's
I could elaborate if you want me to about why I go with this theory, but elaborate on yours first, I'm just curious.
I think changes are gradual and it isn't set in stone but these are my general thoughts so things could change in the middle of an era. For example, late 2014 and early 2015 brought great change as oil prices fell and the horrible recession started. Also, I won't deny there wasn't a small shift in 2011, I just don't think it was big enough to be an era on its own. But here is my explanation (very general):
Early '10s: Obama as a new president, the great recession, electropop dance music
Mid '10s: Obama's second term, pop/soul ballad music, darker fashion and culture, popularity of vines and other app culture
Late '10s: Donald Trump in politics, Brexit, new style EDM music, and the rise of the alt-right
I'd like to hear your thoughts on the era times you chose. Remember, this is all opinion based as everyone lives in different places and has different experiences. :)
Subject: Re: I think 2009 was already a 10s year culturally
Written By: LooseBolt on 09/28/17 at 3:43 pm
There was a recession in 2014/15? Man, school really pulls you out of the world.
Subject: Re: I think 2009 was already a 10s year culturally
Written By: mxcrashxm on 09/28/17 at 3:50 pm
There was a recession in 2014/15? Man, school really pulls you out of the world.
No, but the effects it lingered on for several years.
Subject: Re: I think 2009 was already a 10s year culturally
Written By: mjstudios97 on 09/28/17 at 4:37 pm
I don't agree. While 2009 did have a lot of stuff that would become popular in the 2010s, a lot of people overestimate how 10's 2009 was. in terms of tech, most people still didn't have smartphones in 2009, and they wouldn't get really popular until a year or two later.
I agree. The 2010-11 school year was drastic, and it was my final year in middle school. By the end of it, everyone popped up with smartphones and I remember that fall of 2011, in my freshman year, "swag" became a popular term, the first of the 2010s in trends influenced by social media.
Subject: Re: I think 2009 was already a 10s year culturally
Written By: Slim95 on 09/28/17 at 4:46 pm
There was a recession in 2014/15? Man, school really pulls you out of the world.
Yes there was. Even worse than the one in '08.
Subject: Re: I think 2009 was already a 10s year culturally
Written By: Slim95 on 09/28/17 at 4:47 pm
No, but the effects it lingered on for several years.
What do you mean no? Tell that to both my mother and father and friends who all lost their jobs in 2015... The recession was HUGE in 2015 and even bigger than the one in 2008 - 2009. It was absolutely awful the effect low oil prices caused and the recession was the bigges I've experienced in my life. Also, it had nothing to do with the great recession... The economy was booming before late 2014.
Subject: Re: I think 2009 was already a 10s year culturally
Written By: mxcrashxm on 09/28/17 at 4:50 pm
What do you mean no? Tell that to both my mother and father and friends who all lost their jobs in 2015... The recession was HUGE in 2015 and even bigger than the one in 2008 - 2009. It was absolutely awful the effect low oil prices caused and the recession was the bigges I've experienced in my life. Also, it had nothing to do with the great recession... The economy was booming before late 2014.
Well, I was talking about the one here, but the effects of the recession did stay much longer though. Maybe the 2015 recession only happened in Canada because I don't remember hearing anything about an economic crisis here that year.
Subject: Re: I think 2009 was already a 10s year culturally
Written By: Slim95 on 09/28/17 at 4:52 pm
Well, I was talking about the one here, but the effects of the recession did stay much longer though. Maybe the 2015 recession only happened in Canada because I don't remember hearing anything about an economic crisis here that year.
Oh okay yeah here in Canada we had an official recession in 2015. In Alberta it was even more catastrophic than in the rest of the provinces.
Subject: Re: I think 2009 was already a 10s year culturally
Written By: mxcrashxm on 09/28/17 at 4:55 pm
Oh okay yeah here in Canada we had an official recession in 2015. In Alberta it was even more catastrophic than in the rest of the provinces.
Damn, that's awful. That's exactly what happened here in 2008 and despite that it ended in '09, the effects of the crisis lasted longer to the point where it took lots of time for people to find another job.
Subject: Re: I think 2009 was already a 10s year culturally
Written By: ZeldaFan20 on 09/28/17 at 8:08 pm
I think changes are gradual and it isn't set in stone but these are my general thoughts so things could change in the middle of an era. For example, late 2014 and early 2015 brought great change as oil prices fell and the horrible recession started. Also, I won't deny there wasn't a small shift in 2011, I just don't think it was big enough to be an era on its own. But here is my explanation (very general):
Early '10s: Obama as a new president, the great recession, electropop dance music
Mid '10s: Obama's second term, pop/soul ballad music, darker fashion and culture, popularity of vines and other app culture
Late '10s: Donald Trump in politics, Brexit, new style EDM music, and the rise of the alt-right
I'd like to hear your thoughts on the era times you chose. Remember, this is all opinion based as everyone lives in different places and has different experiences. :)
I get where you're coming from!
I'll give you my opinion:
Early 2010's: Spring 2009 or Spring 2011 (either or) to Spring 2013
Politics/Economy: Obama's 1st Term, Great Recession, Tea Party Movement, Rise in Domestic attacks like Sandy Hook Elementary and The Boston Marathon Bombings
TV: Breaking Bad, 16 & Pregnant, Glee, Community, Jersey Shore, The Office
Music: Electropop, Late 00's/Early 10's sounding hip hop, indie; popular stars include Lady Gaga, Katy Perry, Justin Bieber, Bruno Mars, and Kesha to name a few
Movies: Start of Phase 1 of MCU, 2012, Finale of Harry Potter series, Twilight Series, The Hunger Games, Jennifer's Body
Gaming: Later phase of popularity for Xbox 360 & PS3, Wii starts to fall out of relevance
Mid 2010's: Summer 2013 to Autumn 2016
Politics/Economy: Obama's 2nd term, recovering economy, Rise in SJW Left & Alt Right, Race Riots, Rise of Donald Trump
TV: Orange Is The New Black, House of Cards, Scandal, Empire, Rick & Morty, Broad City
Music: Post 2013 electropop, disco revival, EDM, trap, indie/hipster music; popular stars including Meghan Trainor, Ariana Grande, Justin Bieber, Adele, Ed Sheeran
Movies: Phase 2 of MCU, Jurassic World, Star Wars The Force Awakens, Straight Outta Compton, Furious 7, Interstellar
Gaming: Peak in popularity for 8th generation consoles like PS4 & Xbox One, Wii U struggles in sales
Late 2010's: Winter 2016/2017 to the Present (of course this is subject to change, but so far the changes I've noticed)
Politics/Economy: Trump's 1st term, roaring economy (although that could all change ;D), Mid 10's culture war evolving into a 'resistance' against Trump administration, rising tensions with North Korea, Russia, & China
TV: Rise in Late Night Political Satire, Young Sheldon, Kevin Can Wait, Most badass Toonami lineup in over a decade :D (Back in Spring 2017 you had Samurai Jack, DB Super/Kai Buu Saga, Jojo's Bizzare Adventure, and Attack on Titan all airing on that block at once 8)), A Handmaid's Tale, Resurgence in military dramas like SEAL Team and The Brave
Music: Honestly so far has just been a continuation of mid 10's musical trends, although some things have popped up that seem to signal a sign of the times
Movies: Phase 3 of MCU, Dunkirk, Beauty & The Beast, etc.
Gaming: 8th generation at its second phase with PS4 Pro & Xbox One X, along with te release of (arguably, the first 9th generation console) the Nintendo Switch
This is just my opinion though. However, there was a distinct and jarring shift that I've noticed in the air ever since Trump was elected president on November 8th 2016, at least here in the States. Things just haven't felt the same since. Many of my Liberal friends seem so 'defeated' and ready to foam from the mouth whenever Trump's name is remotely mentioned, and many conservatives feel more obliged to be even bigger dicks to people, especially liberals (or SJW cuck as I should say ;D) or ('mooching') minorities, then they used to be since their idol that they love & worship (OK, I'm obviously exaggerating) emboldens them to. The debate between the recent NFL scandal is a perfect example of this. But in other ways, things have actually gotten better. My personal life is pretty good (had a blast of a summer going to parties, clubs, etc.), and the economy in the states is actually pretty good. The DOW Jones ended today at about 40.49 points, and have been reaching record highs ever since (ironically) Trump was elected. But of course, most of the positive economic effects are remnats from Obama's economic policies still mostly in place, so we'll have to see what the economy is like a year or two from now to have a better grasp how things will shape out. But yeah, the era since Late 2016 has been a pretty big mixbag overall...
Subject: Re: I think 2009 was already a 10s year culturally
Written By: Zelek3 on 09/28/17 at 8:17 pm
Hey Zelda, could you respond to the question I asked you in the favorite childhood year thread?
Subject: Re: I think 2009 was already a 10s year culturally
Written By: TheReignMan99 on 09/28/17 at 9:00 pm
I will just leave this thread/link here: http://www.inthe00s.com/index.php?topic=56198.0
I just want to spread the word.
Subject: Re: I think 2009 was already a 10s year culturally
Written By: HazelBlue99 on 09/29/17 at 7:39 am
I will just leave this thread/link here: http://www.inthe00s.com/index.php?topic=56198.0
I just want to spread the word.
Sorry, but just because you may not like reading comments about how "horrible" the 2010s are or how popular culture has gradually declined, doesn't mean that people can't share their opinions on it. People have a right to share their viewpoint, whether you agree with it or not.
Subject: Re: I think 2009 was already a 10s year culturally
Written By: LooseBolt on 09/29/17 at 7:57 am
I get where you're coming from!
I'll give you my opinion:
Early 2010's: Spring 2009 or Spring 2011 (either or) to Spring 2013
Politics/Economy: Obama's 1st Term, Great Recession, Tea Party Movement, Rise in Domestic attacks like Sandy Hook Elementary and The Boston Marathon Bombings
TV: Breaking Bad, 16 & Pregnant, Glee, Community, Jersey Shore, The Office
Music: Electropop, Late 00's/Early 10's sounding hip hop, indie; popular stars include Lady Gaga, Katy Perry, Justin Bieber, Bruno Mars, and Kesha to name a few
Movies: Start of Phase 1 of MCU, 2012, Finale of Harry Potter series, Twilight Series, The Hunger Games, Jennifer's Body
Gaming: Later phase of popularity for Xbox 360 & PS3, Wii starts to fall out of relevance
Mid 2010's: Summer 2013 to Autumn 2016
Politics/Economy: Obama's 2nd term, recovering economy, Rise in SJW Left & Alt Right, Race Riots, Rise of Donald Trump
TV: Orange Is The New Black, House of Cards, Scandal, Empire, Rick & Morty, Broad City
Music: Post 2013 electropop, disco revival, EDM, trap, indie/hipster music; popular stars including Meghan Trainor, Ariana Grande, Justin Bieber, Adele, Ed Sheeran
Movies: Phase 2 of MCU, Jurassic World, Star Wars The Force Awakens, Straight Outta Compton, Furious 7, Interstellar
Gaming: Peak in popularity for 8th generation consoles like PS4 & Xbox One, Wii U struggles in sales
Late 2010's: Winter 2016/2017 to the Present (of course this is subject to change, but so far the changes I've noticed)
Politics/Economy: Trump's 1st term, roaring economy (although that could all change ;D), Mid 10's culture war evolving into a 'resistance' against Trump administration, rising tensions with North Korea, Russia, & China
TV: Rise in Late Night Political Satire, Young Sheldon, Kevin Can Wait, Most badass Toonami lineup in over a decade :D (Back in Spring 2017 you had Samurai Jack, DB Super/Kai Buu Saga, Jojo's Bizzare Adventure, and Attack on Titan all airing on that block at once 8)), A Handmaid's Tale, Resurgence in military dramas like SEAL Team and The Brave
Music: Honestly so far has just been a continuation of mid 10's musical trends, although some things have popped up that seem to signal a sign of the times
Movies: Phase 3 of MCU, Dunkirk, Beauty & The Beast, etc.
Gaming: 8th generation at its second phase with PS4 Pro & Xbox One X, along with te release of (arguably, the first 9th generation console) the Nintendo Switch
This is just my opinion though. However, there was a distinct and jarring shift that I've noticed in the air ever since Trump was elected president on November 8th 2016, at least here in the States. Things just haven't felt the same since. Many of my Liberal friends seem so 'defeated' and ready to foam from the mouth whenever Trump's name is remotely mentioned, and many conservatives feel more obliged to be even bigger dicks to people, especially liberals (or SJW cuck as I should say ;D) or ('mooching') minorities, then they used to be since their idol that they love & worship (OK, I'm obviously exaggerating) emboldens them to. The debate between the recent NFL scandal is a perfect example of this. But in other ways, things have actually gotten better. My personal life is pretty good (had a blast of a summer going to parties, clubs, etc.), and the economy in the states is actually pretty good. The DOW Jones ended today at about 40.49 points, and have been reaching record highs ever since (ironically) Trump was elected. But of course, most of the positive economic effects are remnats from Obama's economic policies still mostly in place, so we'll have to see what the economy is like a year or two from now to have a better grasp how things will shape out. But yeah, the era since Late 2016 has been a pretty big mixbag overall...
I have to strongly second that jarring cultural change following election night. Even with the distance of time, I think that will stand out.
Also I do not think it's an exaggeration to state that there is a non-negligible percentage of the American public that basically worships Trump. See, e.g., the ramping up of the culture war (resistance by liberals and blind allegiance by conservatives).
Subject: Re: I think 2009 was already a 10s year culturally
Written By: aja675 on 09/29/17 at 8:08 am
Only in the last few months.
Subject: Re: I think 2009 was already a 10s year culturally
Written By: LooseBolt on 09/29/17 at 8:14 am
Only in the last few months.
What?
Subject: Re: I think 2009 was already a 10s year culturally
Written By: TheEarly90sFan on 09/29/17 at 8:56 am
2009 and 2010 still had cultural ties to the 1990s (I.e. - Toy Story 3). So, both years belong to the 2000s, not the 2010s.
Subject: Re: I think 2009 was already a 10s year culturally
Written By: TheReignMan99 on 09/29/17 at 9:05 am
Sorry, but just because you may not like reading comments about how "horrible" the 2010s are or how popular culture has gradually declined, doesn't mean that people can't share their opinions on it. People have a right to share their viewpoint, whether you agree with it or not.
When did I say that people can't say whatever they want? I didn't and you're misunderstanding what I'm saying. This site can't grow then if many existing members and potential future members are going to be put off from joining or being active. You can share your opinion but when literally every thread is almost the same then it gets tiring and redundant. Also, I was just sharing MY thoughts....not yours so there was nothing to agree or disagree about.
Subject: Re: I think 2009 was already a 10s year culturally
Written By: HazelBlue99 on 09/29/17 at 9:17 am
When did I say that people can't say whatever they want? I didn't and you're misunderstanding what I'm saying. This site can't grow then if many existing members and potential future members are going to be put off from joining or being active. You can share your opinion but when literally every thread is almost the same then it gets tiring and redundant. Also, I was just sharing MY thoughts....not yours so there was nothing to agree or disagree about.
I know that you didn't say outright that people can't say what they want. However, with sharing the link to a thread about your views on the site in a completely unrelated thread, it's like you're trying to force everyone to suddenly stop posting anything that we may be "cynical" or "pessimistic". No offence, but people aren't just going to suddenly change their opinions, because you're sick of seeing pessimistic posts. Sharing that thread isn't going to change anything. I mean, how many active members do we have on this site? Do you honestly expect everyone to stop making posts which are cynical about the times we are living in?
People will join this site if they wish. Changing the entire content of this forum in an effort to try and gain more members isn't feasible. In fact, a lot of people have joined these forums over the past few months. Many of them have become active members as well.
I guess we're just going to have to agree to disagree on this topic of discussion.
Subject: Re: I think 2009 was already a 10s year culturally
Written By: TheReignMan99 on 09/29/17 at 9:24 am
I know that you didn't say outright that people can't say what they want. However, with sharing the link to a thread about your views on the site in a completely unrelated thread, it's like you're trying to force everyone to suddenly stop posting anything that we may be "cynical" or "pessimistic". No offence, but people aren't just going to suddenly change their opinions, because you're sick of seeing pessimistic posts. Sharing that thread isn't going to change anything. I mean, how many active members do we have on this site? Do you honestly expect everyone to stop making posts which are cynical about the times we are living in?
People will join this site if they wish. Changing the entire content of this forum in an effort to try and gain more members isn't feasible. In fact, a lot of people have joined these forums over the past few months. Many of them have become active members as well.
I guess we're just going to have to agree to disagree on this topic of discussion.
I shared it not because I wanted to change anyone's opinion but I shared it to let the members of this forum know how another member of this forum feels like about the state of this site. I have already seen some of those new members complain about the pessimism that some on here have.
I'm not saying there should be an overhaul of the site but I'm saying that if everyone on this site has the same outlook on life then those who don't find everything to be in a total state of destruction....will be put off. Generationalogy and pessimism hinders this site whether you want to admit to that or not...there can be those things but when they constantly happen then...this site becomes redundant and boring.
Subject: Re: I think 2009 was already a 10s year culturally
Written By: LooseBolt on 09/29/17 at 9:48 am
2009 and 2010 still had cultural ties to the 1990s (I.e. - Toy Story 3). So, both years belong to the 2000s, not the 2010s.
Jem and the Holograms was a movie based on a cartoon from the '80s. Does that mean in 2015 we're still tied culturally to the '80s?
Subject: Re: I think 2009 was already a 10s year culturally
Written By: mxcrashxm on 09/29/17 at 9:50 am
I'm not saying there should be an overhaul of the site but I'm saying that if everyone on this site has the same outlook on life then those who don't find everything to be in a total state of destruction....will be put off. Generationalogy and pessimism hinders this site whether you want to admit to that or not...there can be those things but when they constantly happen then...this site becomes redundant and boring.
Well, there haven't been any discussions about generations in 2 weeks. The only thing I see now is the pessimism, and that mainly has to do with how everything currently is. One thing though is we all hope for future to where the culture is positive. I'm tired of how almost everything is negative these days.
Subject: Re: I think 2009 was already a 10s year culturally
Written By: SpyroKev on 09/29/17 at 10:24 am
Did I ever responded to this topic?
As I look back, 2009 is still.. pretty 2000s but, I felt the vibe of 2010 coming in by then. I see what your referring to.
Subject: Re: I think 2009 was already a 10s year culturally
Written By: Slim95 on 09/29/17 at 10:40 am
2009 and 2010 still had cultural ties to the 1990s (I.e. - Toy Story 3). So, both years belong to the 2000s, not the 2010s.
2009 and 2010 had zero ties with the '90s.
Subject: Re: I think 2009 was already a 10s year culturally
Written By: TheEarly90sFan on 09/29/17 at 11:21 am
Jem and the Holograms was a movie based on a cartoon from the '80s. Does that mean in 2015 we're still tied culturally to the '80s?
No.
Two different things. The Jem and the Holograms movie was made because a lot of Gen Xers and early Millennials are nostalgic for the 1980s. Toy Story 3 was created because of the box office receipts of the first and second films.
2009 and 2010 had zero ties with the '90s.
Toy Story 3 was the first animated film to make $1,000,000,000 worldwide in 2010.
Subject: Re: I think 2009 was already a 10s year culturally
Written By: Philip Eno on 09/29/17 at 11:34 am
Toy Story 3 was the first animated film to make 1,000,000,000 worldwide in 2010.
Dollars, pounds, or Euros?
Subject: Re: I think 2009 was already a 10s year culturally
Written By: Longaotian00 on 09/29/17 at 2:03 pm
Dollars, pounds, or Euros?
Obviously dollars ???
Subject: Re: I think 2009 was already a 10s year culturally
Written By: Slim95 on 09/29/17 at 2:05 pm
Obviously dollars ???
How is that obvious? The euro is stronger than the dollar...
Subject: Re: I think 2009 was already a 10s year culturally
Written By: Philip Eno on 09/29/17 at 2:10 pm
How is that obvious? The euro is stronger than the dollar...
O0
Subject: Re: I think 2009 was already a 10s year culturally
Written By: Shemp97 on 09/29/17 at 9:25 pm
Hold on. There were lots of things that make 2009 part of its original decade. It wasnt as early 10s as you think. You're probably saying that because the change must have occurred earlier in Canada.
I live here, and no. No it did not.
ringtone rap died off in the middle of the year.
It was hardly even alive.
Subject: Re: I think 2009 was already a 10s year culturally
Written By: Slim95 on 09/29/17 at 9:28 pm
I live here, and no. No it did not.
I live here and yes, yes it did.
Subject: Re: I think 2009 was already a 10s year culturally
Written By: Slim95 on 09/29/17 at 9:31 pm
No.
Two different things. The Jem and the Holograms movie was made because a lot of Gen Xers and early Millennials are nostalgic for the 1980s. Toy Story 3 was created because of the box office receipts of the first and second films.
Toy Story 3 was the first animated film to make $1,000,000,000 worldwide in 2010.
I thought you agreed with me the '90s ended by 1999. Now you're saying it lasted until 2010? ???
Subject: Re: I think 2009 was already a 10s year culturally
Written By: TheReignMan99 on 09/29/17 at 9:44 pm
Why does it matter that 2009 was a culturally '00s or '10s? ???
Also, another thread is saying that the Summer of '09 was boring...as of that is a valid fact. I just don't get you guys sometimes :-X.
Subject: Re: I think 2009 was already a 10s year culturally
Written By: TheEarly90sFan on 09/29/17 at 9:57 pm
I thought you agreed with me the '90s ended by 1999.
I do agree with you on that...
Now you're saying it lasted until 2010? ???
That is not what I meant when I made that statement. I was trying to say that the Toy Story sequels, final episodes of Law and Order, and Grand Theft Auto: Vice City were '00s things.
Subject: Re: I think 2009 was already a 10s year culturally
Written By: Slim95 on 09/29/17 at 10:03 pm
I do agree with you on that...
That is not what I meant when I made that statement. I was saying that Toy Story sequels, the final episodes of Law and Order, and Grand Theft Auto: Vice City are '00s things.
Oh I thought because you said 2009 and 2010 had ties to the the '90s, which I don't think it does.
Subject: Re: I think 2009 was already a 10s year culturally
Written By: mxcrashxm on 09/29/17 at 10:28 pm
I live here, and no. No it did not.
I take it that means the 10s culture began around the same time as here. Am I right?
Subject: Re: I think 2009 was already a 10s year culturally
Written By: Longaotian00 on 09/29/17 at 10:56 pm
I live here and yes, yes it did.
Why do you always do this? You always think that no one can have another opinion that is different to your own, like yeah you might think differently but it doesn't mean the other person is wrong and it certainly doesn't mean you have to call them idiots!
Subject: Re: I think 2009 was already a 10s year culturally
Written By: Escondudo on 09/29/17 at 11:01 pm
2009 was a transitional year, leaning more towards the 2000s.
Subject: Re: I think 2009 was already a 10s year culturally
Written By: Slim95 on 09/29/17 at 11:16 pm
I take it that means the 10s culture began around the same time as here. Am I right?
No it started in late 2008 here in Canada.
2009 was a transitional year, leaning more towards the 2000s.
2008 was the transitional year and by late 2008 when Obama got elected the '10s have officially started.
Subject: Re: I think 2009 was already a 10s year culturally
Written By: mxcrashxm on 09/29/17 at 11:20 pm
No it started in late 2008 here in Canada.
Then why is Shemp97 saying it didn't? He's Canadian too.
Subject: Re: I think 2009 was already a 10s year culturally
Written By: Escondudo on 09/29/17 at 11:22 pm
No it started in late 2008 here in Canada.
2008 was the transitional year and by late 2008 when Obama got elected the '10s have officially started.
You can have a transitional period that crosses multiple years. And Obama doesn't define the 2010s. He was a major part of it, but not the sole symbol.
Subject: Re: I think 2009 was already a 10s year culturally
Written By: Slim95 on 09/29/17 at 11:25 pm
Then why is Shemp97 saying it didn't? He's Canadian too.
Because it's opinion based. I felt the newer trends had more presence than he did. When we talk about non-numeric culture eras, there is no right or wrong answers and they are opinions depending on everyone's experiences. The real facts are the 2010s start in 2010 and end in 2019. When it comes to culture, everyone's opinions vary.
Subject: Re: I think 2009 was already a 10s year culturally
Written By: Slim95 on 09/29/17 at 11:27 pm
You can have a transitional period that crosses multiple years. And Obama doesn't define the 2010s. He was a major part of it, but not the sole symbol.
To me he definitely is. Even more than Trump.
Subject: Re: I think 2009 was already a 10s year culturally
Written By: LooseBolt on 09/30/17 at 4:38 am
To me he definitely is. Even more than Trump.
Word.
Subject: Re: I think 2009 was already a 10s year culturally
Written By: Rainbowz on 09/30/17 at 10:54 am
Why does it matter that 2009 was a culturally '00s or '10s? ???
Also, another thread is saying that the Summer of '09 was boring...as of that is a valid fact. I just don't get you guys sometimes :-X.
Couldn't agree more with this
Subject: Re: I think 2009 was already a 10s year culturally
Written By: TheReignMan99 on 09/30/17 at 12:54 pm
Couldn't agree more with this
I'm glad that someone else agrees.
Subject: Re: I think 2009 was already a 10s year culturally
Written By: Lizardmatum on 09/30/17 at 10:05 pm
I would say:
Late 2000's/electropop era hybrid: late 2008 - mid 2009
True Electropop era: mid 2009 - late 2011
Early 2010's: 2012 to late 2013
Subject: Re: I think 2009 was already a 10s year culturally
Written By: 2001 on 10/01/17 at 12:30 am
I take it that means the 10s culture began around the same time as here. Am I right?
When did it begin in the US would you say?
I'd say that New Years Day 2010 was already very 2010s, and there weren't many traces of the core 2000s left. Lady Gaga, Katy Perry, Taylor Swift, Justin Bieber were already household names. Everyone had an HDTV in their homes*. A significant amount of the adult population owned a smartphone. Windows 7 had overtaken Windows XP. Everyone was on Facebook, and Twitter was the second most popular social network. 7th Gen gaming hit its stride with PS3 sales surging. The word "memes" was now used to image macros etc.
*Funny SDTV/HDTV story. In 2010, my parents were renting out the current house we live in right now, and when the tenants moved out, we found that they had left their CRT TV behind in the basement. It was still in working condition. We called them up, and they said they didn't want it. We asked around (relatives and friends) if anyone wanted a free TV, and no one would take it. We ended up selling it to a pawn shop. ;D
Subject: Re: I think 2009 was already a 10s year culturally
Written By: Escondudo on 10/01/17 at 1:11 am
When did it begin in the US would you say?
I'd say that New Years Day 2010 was already very 2010s, and there weren't many traces of the core 2000s left. Lady Gaga, Katy Perry, Taylor Swift, Justin Bieber were already household names. Everyone had an HDTV in their homes*. A significant amount of the adult population owned a smartphone. Windows 7 had overtaken Windows XP. Everyone was on Facebook, and Twitter was the second most popular social network. 7th Gen gaming hit its stride with PS3 sales surging. The word "memes" was now used to image macros etc.
*Funny SDTV/HDTV story. In 2010, my parents were renting out the current house we live in right now, and when the tenants moved out, we found that they had left their CRT TV behind in the basement. It was still in working condition. We called them up, and they said they didn't want it. We asked around (relatives and friends) if anyone wanted a free TV, and no one would take it. We ended up selling it to a pawn shop. ;D
Your arguments suggest that 2009 was a transitional year leading to the 2010s. Those artists largely became household names in 2009.
Most people still didn't have smartphones yet. They had blackberries and flip phones. A surprisingly large number of people still said they "don't do cell phones" as well.
And people got digital TVs because the transition to digital TV occurred IN 2009. Mid-2009 to be exact (for the US):
<link> http://www.nielsen.com/us/en/insights/news/2009/the-switch-from-analog-to-digital-tv.html </link>
It's bizarre how people on this website accept the early 80s and early 90s as transitional periods but find it difficult to apply the same concept to more recent times.
Subject: Re: I think 2009 was already a 10s year culturally
Written By: Slim95 on 10/01/17 at 1:16 am
It's bizarre how people on this website accept the early 80s and early 90s as transitional periods but find it difficult to apply the same concept to more recent times.
Because I've actually lived through the early '00s and early '10s, and haven't lived through the early '80s and early '90s so I will accept what people who went through that time tell me. I do know from experience, the '90s were totally gone in the early 2000s and the '00s were totally gone in the early '10s and the early period of both decades were the most defining for the respective decade. In the 1980s and 1990s it may have been different. And it looks like this may not be the case for the 2020s too if things keep staying the same as they are now for a while.
Subject: Re: I think 2009 was already a 10s year culturally
Written By: 2001 on 10/01/17 at 1:31 am
Your arguments suggest that 2009 was a transitional year leading to the 2010s. Those artists largely became household names in 2009.
Most people still didn't have smartphones yet. They had blackberries and flip phones. A surprisingly large number of people still said they "don't do cell phones" as well.
And people got digital TVs because the transition to digital TV occurred IN 2009. Mid-2009 to be exact (for the US):
<link> http://www.nielsen.com/us/en/insights/news/2009/the-switch-from-analog-to-digital-tv.html </link>
It's bizarre how people on this website accept the early 80s and early 90s as transitional periods but find it difficult to apply the same concept to more recent times.
Well, yes. As I said in my first post in this thread, I see 2009 as a year with things that belong to both the 2000s and the 2010s, but by the end of the year, things were certainly leaning towards the 2010s. So I don't disagree with you that it was a transitional year.
A majority of people were yet to get smartphones, but that doesn't mean they didn't leave their mark on popular culture. "There's an app for that" was definitely a common saying by the beginning of 2009-10 school year, as I recall from a personal anecdote. Smartphones were a part of daily life. Also, speaking logically, a majority of people did not own a smartphone until 2013, yet I doubt you'd be arguing that 2012 was not a 2010s years. The same should apply to 2009 and 2010.
And you didn't hear that from me. To me, 1980 and 1990 were both very '80s and '90s respectively. It's a bit decadeologic (?) however to assume that every cultural decade would start the same way and at the same time. Time doesn't work in neat 10 year segments like that. Ignoring decades, I found the years 1979/1980, 1990/1991, 1998/1999 and 2008/2009 to be very changeful.
Subject: Re: I think 2009 was already a 10s year culturally
Written By: Escondudo on 10/01/17 at 2:12 am
Well, yes. As I said in my first post in this thread, I see 2009 as a year with things that belong to both the 2000s and the 2010s, but by the end of the year, things were certainly leaning towards the 2010s. So I don't disagree with you that it was a transitional year.
A majority of people were yet to get smartphones, but that doesn't mean they didn't leave their mark on popular culture. "There's an app for that" was definitely a common saying by the beginning of 2009-10 school year, as I recall from a personal anecdote. Smartphones were a part of daily life. Also, speaking logically, a majority of people did not own a smartphone until 2013, yet I doubt you'd be arguing that 2012 was not a 2010s years. The same should apply to 2009 and 2010.
And you didn't hear that from me. To me, 1980 and 1990 were both very '80s and '90s respectively. It's a bit decadeologic (?) however to assume that every cultural decade would start the same way and at the same time. Time doesn't work in neat 10 year segments like that. Ignoring decades, I found the years 1979/1980, 1990/1991, 1998/1999 and 2008/2009 to be very changeful.
Agree with you on 2009. We're actually on the same page there.
But I disagree that 1980 was very 80s. It was very (late) 70s! 1990 was also disconnected from the core 90s.
I consider 2009 very similar to 1981. New president who was elected on a change message, but the fundamentals of the decade in pop culture and tech weren't fully settled.
Subject: Re: I think 2009 was already a 10s year culturally
Written By: #Infinity on 10/01/17 at 3:18 am
Winter 2006/2007 - Summer 2009: Cultural Late 2000s
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Politics/Economy: In general defined by the development of the Great Recession, starting with the housing bubble bursting, then eventually leading to an oncoming financial storm that became more apparent in 2007 before finally reaching cataclysm in 2008. Meanwhile, George W. Bush is at his most unpopular, having lost control of Congress and seeing Obama win the 2008 Election in a landslide. There is a very clear dissatisfaction and backlash against 2000s attitudes itching for a change. Gordon Brown is the British PM for most of this period.
Shows: Heroes, 30 Rock, Dexter, Prison Break, The Office, The Angry Video Game Nerd, Ben 10, Hannah Montana, iCarly.
Music: Timbaland Renaissance, snap music, rock is just a continuation of the pop-emo craze that grew huge in 2005, 2000s post-grunge still popular, gangsta/thug rap dies completely with 50 Cent's defeat in the September 2007 hip hop duel against Kanye West. Many songs are more uptempo and synthy compared to mid-2000s music, but still feel ultimately quite tied to urban music.
Cinema: Megan Fox is the big female Hollywood sex symbol. Judd Apatow comedies like Pineapple Express and Superbad dominate the box office. Except for The Simpsons Movie, 2D animation is now completely nonexistent. Otherwise, movie trends are basically just a continuation of 2000s styles in general.
Gaming: The Wii is a cultural phenomenon that introduces lots of new people to video games. Online features become standard in console games. The XBOX 360 is the console of choice for hardcore gamers. Guitar Hero and Rock Band are definitive franchises to this era, having overtaken Dance Dance Revolution in significance following that game's popularity peak in the mid-2000s. Pokémon is in its fourth generation, defined by Diamond, Pearl, and Platinum. The Nintendo DS dominates the handheld market, though the PSP is also still a success.
Fashion: The bushy hair look that dominated the mid-2000s is still significant for most of this period, although it gets a bit less popular in 2008 and 2009. Scene fashion is huge. Outfits are generally very bright, solid, and colourful, often with logos.
Technology: MySpace is still very popular, but it now has to compete against Facebook. YouTube is now mainstream, although many web series are still independently hosted and distributed. Because of broadband now being standard, online videos are more popular than ever. The iPhone is introduced in 2007, but most people still own flip-phones and Blackberrys. iPod Nanos are quite big. MacBooks are a huge deal at this time, too.
Autumn 2009 to Summer 2013: Cultural Early 2010s
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Politics/Economy: Essentially Obama's first term. David Cameron eventually takes over as the British PM. The Tea Party is the GOP's driving force, slowing a lot of Obama's proposals to combat the horrendous economy, as well as some of his social reforms, especially Obamacare in particular. The gay marriage debate is at its most intense, following Proposition 8's passage in California but soon leading to numerous states besides Massachusetts legalizing it. It becomes a clearly winning battle for progressives after June 26, 2013, though it wouldn't attain full closure until exactly two years later. The Arab Spring and Libya's returned significance are defining international events.
Shows: Breaking Bad, Glee, Community, Parks and Recreation, Dowton Abbey, Borgen, Boardwalk Empire, Justified, Epic Rap Battles of History, My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic, Regular Show. YouTube is at its absolute height in cultural influence, although Netflix is becoming increasingly popular, while Blockbuster is closing store after store.
Music: A period absolutely dominated by uptempo clubbing songs. Lady Gaga and Kesha are iconic to this sub-era, while Katy Perry's Teenage Dream is also gigantic. Cheryl Cole is a pop megastar in the UK. Former r&b singers like Usher, Chris Brown, and Rihanna completely convert their styles to a more dance/electronic sound. Dubstep is a definitive trend, both with full-on musicians like deadmau5 and Skrillex, but also with dubstep-influenced songs like "Party Rock Anthem," "Gangnam Style," and Imagine Dragons' "Radioactive." In hip hop, the snap movement is completely dead, and more rappers than ever are imitating Kanye West. The only type of rock truly popular during this time is pseudo-indie and pseudo-rock like "Animal," "Somebody I Used to Know," and "Drive By."
Cinema: General 2010s movie trends start to establish themselves during this time, including the modern 3D craze, the Marvel Cinematic Universe, live-action fairytale blockbusters, and the Disney Revival. Not too much distinguishes this period from later years in the 2010s except for old franchises wrapping up like Harry Potter, Twilight, and The Dark Knight, as well as Pixar suffering a creative recession after Toy Story 3.
Gaming: The same home consoles exist, but unlike the late 2000s, the Wii is no longer a big deal, and the PS3 is now just as popular as the still huge XBOX 360. Mobile games are now a huge craze for casuals, with Angry Birds being the very biggest title of all. The 3DS is released in early 2011, but it's not yet a commercial success and the DS is still Nintendo's most popular handheld, thanks to Pokémon Black and White 1 and 2.
Fashion: One of the most indistinguishable eras for fashion ever, though imo in a good way. While scene fashion still lingers on a bit and logo shirts are still a thing, most people either play it completely safe or just dress however they wanted. It's ironic, considering the choice of wardrobe music icons like Lady Gaga and Kesha embraced.
Technology: Twitter emerges a mainstream force, while YouTube and Facebook are at their height in popularity. HD video becomes standard. Smartphones are now hugely popular, though some people still hold on to their older devices. Due to the Great Recession and gas prices, eco-friendly vehicles become more popular, while massive SUV's become less of a thing than they were throughout the 2000s. iPads also become popular devices, though they're not totally dominant yet.
Autumn 2013 - November 8, 2016: Cultural Mid-2010s
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Politics/Economy: Obama has his second term, which is mostly defined by continued political gridlock with the GOP (albeit without the Tea Party being a popular term anymore). ISIS is the big international threat, while the Syrian Crisis also rocks the middle east and leads to a massive exodus of Syrians to Europe and occasionally other countries. Gun control is a big talking point due to the onslaught of shootings that begins with Aurora in 2012 and leads to several more later on, but almost nothing is actually accomplished as a result. Black Lives Matter is a major political movement, while SJW causes start to bring more attention to issues like college rape, transgender rights, and cultural sexism. The Alt-Right emerges as the dominant populist wing of the GOP in mid-2015 with Donald Trump's campaign announcement, but they're still seen more as a nuisance than as a legitimate danger. It's a rather bitter time for social affairs, though surprisingly tame compared to what is on the near horizon.
Shows: Orange Is the New Black, House of Cards, Gravity Falls, Hannibal, MCU shows, Honest Trailers. Defined by the breakthrough of stream-exclusive television series, which popularize the deplorable term "binge-watching" and are a major contributing factor to YouTube's decline in popularity.
Music: Uptempo club songs become less ubiquitous and instead make room for more minimalist, often trap-inspired productions. Lorde and Ariana Grande usher in a new generation of female pop singers, leaving Lady Gaga, Kesha, and Cheryl mostly in the dust. Taylor Swift is the biggest star of this period, thanks to the success of 1989.
Cinema: The Marvel Cinematic Universe is now absolutely inescapable, with DC just starting to try and catch up. The Hunger Games is a massive franchise at the time. Frozen becomes a cultural phenomenon that dominates every major store.
Gaming: The 8th Generation of Gaming is in full bloom, with the PS4 being the most successful console. The XBOX One and especially the Wii U both struggle. The 3DS finally emerges a success, while Sony's PS Vita performs surprisingly horribly (maybe not surprising in hindsight, but it just feels odd for a Sony gaming system to do so badly).
Fashion: Ugh dear, 2010s fashion finally develops a solid identity, thanks to the rise of fade cuts, the return of late 80s/early 90s flat tops, side buzzes, glassless glasses, and an oversaturation of tattoo and piercings. The nu-male is now a dominant presence. Driven away by the direction of things, I personally developed a huge appreciation for retro fashion during this time.
Technology: You'd be a complete square not to own a smartphone at this point. They dominate everything, so much so that websites now redesign their layouts to cater to smartphone users. iPads are now more popular than MacBooks. Virtual reality has been flirted with a bit but still hasn't totally caught on. Social media is now the centerpiece of popular culture, and it's impossible to go anywhere without seeing hashtags or icons and mentions of Facebook, Twitter, Snapchat, and Instagram.
November 9, 2016 - present: Cultural Late 2010s
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Politics/Economy: America "elects" Trump as its 45th President, and the result has been rancid, to say the least, in spite of the new chief executive's massive unpopularity. Theresa May is the British PM following David Cameron's resignation and has overseen the UK's post-Brexit era.
Shows: Stranger Things, This Is Us. Little else has defined the late 2010s in television so far.
Music: Still completely indistinguishable aside maybe from a renewed interest in Latin pop.
Cinema: The DC Cinematic Universe may finally be taken seriously, thank to the huge success of Wonder Woman. If Justice League turns out okay, then its significance will be solidified. Movie trends are otherwise a complete continuation of the previous few years. However, I wouldn't be surprised if the massive success of It leads to a new craze in horror, especially since it's so similar to Stranger Things.
Gaming: The Nintendo Switch came out, but VR games still aren't really that big of a deal.
Fashion: I think I've come across less tattoos and piercings this year, but hi-top fades are still as popular as ever.
Technology: I guess things like Google Home are starting to become more popular? 4K TV, too?
Subject: Re: I think 2009 was already a 10s year culturally
Written By: HazelBlue99 on 10/01/17 at 3:43 am
Music: Still completely indistinguishable aside maybe from a renewed interest in Latin pop.
Of course, it remains to be seen whether it fully transpires or not, but I would also add that guitar-driven rock is gradually making a comeback. The guitar has been prominent in quite a few releases this year ("Sign of the Times", "Younger Now", "Wild Thoughts" etc.) and rock albums have been performing well on the Billboard 200.
Subject: Re: I think 2009 was already a 10s year culturally
Written By: Escondudo on 10/01/17 at 9:39 am
Winter 2006/2007 - Summer 2009: Cultural Late 2000s
http://abcnews.go.com/images/Technology/ht_soulja_boy_youtube_090506_mn.jpg
Thanks for breathing some sanity into this discussion. 2009 was more complex than people are making it out to be. The 2010s were beginning as the 2000s were fading. It wasn't an instant shift.
Subject: Re: I think 2009 was already a 10s year culturally
Written By: Shemp97 on 10/01/17 at 12:09 pm
I live here and yes, yes it did.
I live in Toronto, the cultural and financial centre of Canada. All trends in the country begin here and in nearby Ottawa.
Harper was elected in 2006, so politics was very much stuck in the mid 00s.
The transition from analogue to digital TV occurred in 2011.
Most of the population was still mostly using Myspace, with Facebook becoming more popular in late '09.
Several 2010s tech trends like Twitter, Tumblr and Tablets either didn't exist yet, or weren't popular. Heck, Netflix's streaming service didn't even go worldwide until 2010.
The Blackberry was the dominant smartphone by a mile. Even by 2009 the iPhone had sold just over 50,000 units in the entire country. Cellphones were still banned in most schools, and school internet algorithms contiued to block access to youtube until late '09.
All the musicians that dominated the mid 00s continued to dominate into early 2009. This includes TV shows as well.
Pop punk became huge again in 2008 with Shilo.
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The US is usually ahead of us on new trends anyway and the late 00's weren't much different.
Subject: Re: I think 2009 was already a 10s year culturally
Written By: Slim95 on 10/01/17 at 1:11 pm
I live in Toronto, the cultural and financial centre of Canada. All trends in the country begin here and in nearby Ottawa.
Harper was elected in 2006, so politics was very much stuck in the mid 00s.
The transition from analogue to digital TV occurred in 2011.
Most of the population was still mostly using Myspace, with Facebook becoming more popular in late '09.
Several 2010s tech trends like Twitter, Tumblr and Tablets either didn't exist yet, or weren't popular. Heck, Netflix's streaming service didn't even go worldwide until 2010.
The Blackberry was the dominant smartphone by a mile. Even by 2009 the iPhone had sold just over 50,000 units in the entire country. Cellphones were still banned in most schools, and school internet algorithms contiued to block access to youtube until late '09.
All the musicians that dominated the mid 00s continued to dominate into early 2009. This includes TV shows as well.
Pop punk became huge again in 2008 with Shilo.
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The US is usually ahead of us on new trends anyway and the late 00's weren't much different.
Twitter DID exist in 2009 and it was quite popular. YouTubers at that time were already saying "follow me on Twitter" and did you hear the Twitter song made by Chris Brown in 2009? If Twitter wasn't popular in 2009, why would Chris Brown who was a mainstream artist, make a song about it?
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Also Facebook was popular in 2008, no question about it. It started getting popular in late 2007 actually.
And as I've mentioned before, Obama getting elected, new artists and new sound on the radio, the recession, and many other things made late 2008 the start of the 2010s, and 2008 in general the most transformative year in a long time.
Subject: Re: I think 2009 was already a 10s year culturally
Written By: Longaotian00 on 10/01/17 at 2:15 pm
Winter 2006/2007 - Summer 2009: Cultural Late 2000s
http://abcnews.go.com/images/Technology/ht_soulja_boy_youtube_090506_mn.jpg
Politics/Economy: In general defined by the development of the Great Recession, starting with the housing bubble bursting, then eventually leading to an oncoming financial storm that became more apparent in 2007 before finally reaching cataclysm in 2008. Meanwhile, George W. Bush is at his most unpopular, having lost control of Congress and seeing Obama win the 2008 Election in a landslide. There is a very clear dissatisfaction and backlash against 2000s attitudes itching for a change. Gordon Brown is the British PM for most of this period.
Shows: Heroes, 30 Rock, Dexter, Prison Break, The Office, The Angry Video Game Nerd, Ben 10, Hannah Montana, iCarly.
Music: Timbaland Renaissance, snap music, rock is just a continuation of the pop-emo craze that grew huge in 2005, 2000s post-grunge still popular, gangsta/thug rap dies completely with 50 Cent's defeat in the September 2007 hip hop duel against Kanye West. Many songs are more uptempo and synthy compared to mid-2000s music, but still feel ultimately quite tied to urban music.
Cinema: Megan Fox is the big female Hollywood sex symbol. Judd Apatow comedies like Pineapple Express and Superbad dominate the box office. Except for The Simpsons Movie, 2D animation is now completely nonexistent. Otherwise, movie trends are basically just a continuation of 2000s styles in general.
Gaming: The Wii is a cultural phenomenon that introduces lots of new people to video games. Online features become standard in console games. The XBOX 360 is the console of choice for hardcore gamers. Guitar Hero and Rock Band are definitive franchises to this era, having overtaken Dance Dance Revolution in significance following that game's popularity peak in the mid-2000s. Pokémon is in its fourth generation, defined by Diamond, Pearl, and Platinum. The Nintendo DS dominates the handheld market, though the PSP is also still a success.
Fashion: The bushy hair look that dominated the mid-2000s is still significant for most of this period, although it gets a bit less popular in 2008 and 2009. Scene fashion is huge. Outfits are generally very bright, solid, and colourful, often with logos.
Technology: MySpace is still very popular, but it now has to compete against Facebook. YouTube is now mainstream, although many web series are still independently hosted and distributed. Because of broadband now being standard, online videos are more popular than ever. The iPhone is introduced in 2007, but most people still own flip-phones and Blackberrys. iPod Nanos are quite big. MacBooks are a huge deal at this time, too.
Autumn 2009 to Summer 2013: Cultural Early 2010s
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Politics/Economy: Essentially Obama's first term. David Cameron eventually takes over as the British PM. The Tea Party is the GOP's driving force, slowing a lot of Obama's proposals to combat the horrendous economy, as well as some of his social reforms, especially Obamacare in particular. The gay marriage debate is at its most intense, following Proposition 8's passage in California but soon leading to numerous states besides Massachusetts legalizing it. It becomes a clearly winning battle for progressives after June 26, 2013, though it wouldn't attain full closure until exactly two years later. The Arab Spring and Libya's returned significance are defining international events.
Shows: Breaking Bad, Glee, Community, Parks and Recreation, Dowton Abbey, Borgen, Boardwalk Empire, Justified, Epic Rap Battles of History, My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic, Regular Show. YouTube is at its absolute height in cultural influence, although Netflix is becoming increasingly popular, while Blockbuster is closing store after store.
Music: A period absolutely dominated by uptempo clubbing songs. Lady Gaga and Kesha are iconic to this sub-era, while Katy Perry's Teenage Dream is also gigantic. Cheryl Cole is a pop megastar in the UK. Former r&b singers like Usher, Chris Brown, and Rihanna completely convert their styles to a more dance/electronic sound. Dubstep is a definitive trend, both with full-on musicians like deadmau5 and Skrillex, but also with dubstep-influenced songs like "Party Rock Anthem," "Gangnam Style," and Imagine Dragons' "Radioactive." In hip hop, the snap movement is completely dead, and more rappers than ever are imitating Kanye West. The only type of rock truly popular during this time is pseudo-indie and pseudo-rock like "Animal," "Somebody I Used to Know," and "Drive By."
Cinema: General 2010s movie trends start to establish themselves during this time, including the modern 3D craze, the Marvel Cinematic Universe, live-action fairytale blockbusters, and the Disney Revival. Not too much distinguishes this period from later years in the 2010s except for old franchises wrapping up like Harry Potter, Twilight, and The Dark Knight, as well as Pixar suffering a creative recession after Toy Story 3.
Gaming: The same home consoles exist, but unlike the late 2000s, the Wii is no longer a big deal, and the PS3 is now just as popular as the still huge XBOX 360. Mobile games are now a huge craze for casuals, with Angry Birds being the very biggest title of all. The 3DS is released in early 2011, but it's not yet a commercial success and the DS is still Nintendo's most popular handheld, thanks to Pokémon Black and White 1 and 2.
Fashion: One of the most indistinguishable eras for fashion ever, though imo in a good way. While scene fashion still lingers on a bit and logo shirts are still a thing, most people either play it completely safe or just dress however they wanted. It's ironic, considering the choice of wardrobe music icons like Lady Gaga and Kesha embraced.
Technology: Twitter emerges a mainstream force, while YouTube and Facebook are at their height in popularity. HD video becomes standard. Smartphones are now hugely popular, though some people still hold on to their older devices. Due to the Great Recession and gas prices, eco-friendly vehicles become more popular, while massive SUV's become less of a thing than they were throughout the 2000s. iPads also become popular devices, though they're not totally dominant yet.
Autumn 2013 - November 8, 2016: Cultural Mid-2010s
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Politics/Economy: Obama has his second term, which is mostly defined by continued political gridlock with the GOP (albeit without the Tea Party being a popular term anymore). ISIS is the big international threat, while the Syrian Crisis also rocks the middle east and leads to a massive exodus of Syrians to Europe and occasionally other countries. Gun control is a big talking point due to the onslaught of shootings that begins with Aurora in 2012 and leads to several more later on, but almost nothing is actually accomplished as a result. Black Lives Matter is a major political movement, while SJW causes start to bring more attention to issues like college rape, transgender rights, and cultural sexism. The Alt-Right emerges as the dominant populist wing of the GOP in mid-2015 with Donald Trump's campaign announcement, but they're still seen more as a nuisance than as a legitimate danger. It's a rather bitter time for social affairs, though surprisingly tame compared to what is on the near horizon.
Shows: Orange Is the New Black, House of Cards, Gravity Falls, Hannibal, MCU shows, Honest Trailers. Defined by the breakthrough of stream-exclusive television series, which popularize the deplorable term "binge-watching" and are a major contributing factor to YouTube's decline in popularity.
Music: Uptempo club songs become less ubiquitous and instead make room for more minimalist, often trap-inspired productions. Lorde and Ariana Grande usher in a new generation of female pop singers, leaving Lady Gaga, Kesha, and Cheryl mostly in the dust. Taylor Swift is the biggest star of this period, thanks to the success of 1989.
Cinema: The Marvel Cinematic Universe is now absolutely inescapable, with DC just starting to try and catch up. The Hunger Games is a massive franchise at the time. Frozen becomes a cultural phenomenon that dominates every major store.
Gaming: The 8th Generation of Gaming is in full bloom, with the PS4 being the most successful console. The XBOX One and especially the Wii U both struggle. The 3DS finally emerges a success, while Sony's PS Vita performs surprisingly horribly (maybe not surprising in hindsight, but it just feels odd for a Sony gaming system to do so badly).
Fashion: Ugh dear, 2010s fashion finally develops a solid identity, thanks to the rise of fade cuts, the return of late 80s/early 90s flat tops, side buzzes, glassless glasses, and an oversaturation of tattoo and piercings. The nu-male is now a dominant presence. Driven away by the direction of things, I personally developed a huge appreciation for retro fashion during this time.
Technology: You'd be a complete square not to own a smartphone at this point. They dominate everything, so much so that websites now redesign their layouts to cater to smartphone users. iPads are now more popular than MacBooks. Virtual reality has been flirted with a bit but still hasn't totally caught on. Social media is now the centerpiece of popular culture, and it's impossible to go anywhere without seeing hashtags or icons and mentions of Facebook, Twitter, Snapchat, and Instagram.
November 9, 2016 - present: Cultural Late 2010s
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Politics/Economy: America "elects" Trump as its 45th President, and the result has been rancid, to say the least, in spite of the new chief executive's massive unpopularity. Theresa May is the British PM following David Cameron's resignation and has overseen the UK's post-Brexit era.
Shows: Stranger Things, This Is Us. Little else has defined the late 2010s in television so far.
Music: Still completely indistinguishable aside maybe from a renewed interest in Latin pop.
Cinema: The DC Cinematic Universe may finally be taken seriously, thank to the huge success of Wonder Woman. If Justice League turns out okay, then its significance will be solidified. Movie trends are otherwise a complete continuation of the previous few years. However, I wouldn't be surprised if the massive success of It leads to a new craze in horror, especially since it's so similar to Stranger Things.
Gaming: The Nintendo Switch came out, but VR games still aren't really that big of a deal.
Fashion: I think I've come across less tattoos and piercings this year, but hi-top fades are still as popular as ever.
Technology: I guess things like Google Home are starting to become more popular? 4K TV, too?
Nice :)! Slim95 needs to read all of this ;D
Subject: Re: I think 2009 was already a 10s year culturally
Written By: Shemp97 on 10/01/17 at 2:27 pm
Twitter DID exist in 2009 and it was quite popular. YouTubers at that time were already saying "follow me on Twitter" and did you hear the Twitter song made by Chris Brown in 2009? If Twitter wasn't popular in 2009, why would Chris Brown who was a mainstream artist, make a song about it?
Contrary to what you might believe. Celebrities don't drive website popularity.
https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2009/08/twitter-not-so-popular-with-the-young-people/
The two biggest YouTubers of 2009, Fred and Nigahiga, never once made any references to Twitters existence, but they sure talked about myspace alot. Youtube itself didn't even support Twitter as one of its share options, but Myspace and Facebook were there.
Let's not forget that the vast majority of Twitter's user base for the 6 years has mostly consisted of mobile users. The Twitter app didn't exist until 2010.
Also Facebook was popular in 2008, no question about it. It started getting popular in late 2007 actually.
As others here have said, being limited to mostly among college and high school students briefly stunted its popularity among the general population. And Myspace had a slow decline in users.
And as I've mentioned before, Obama getting elected, new artists and new sound on the radio, the recession, and many other things made late 2008 the start of the 2010s, and 2008 in general the most transformative year in a long time.
Obama is very much a 00's icon as he is 2010s, if anything, more people cared about him in 2008 than in 2016.
Most new artists blew up in 2009. In 2008 it was still all about Rihanna, Beyoncé, Chris Brown, Katy Perry(from 2007), Kanye West, Lupe Fiasco, Lil Wayne, Sean Kingston, Sean Paul, the Pussy Cat Dolls, MIA, and Pink. 2008 bared far more similarities to 2006 than it did to 2011.
Subject: Re: I think 2009 was already a 10s year culturally
Written By: Slim95 on 10/01/17 at 2:31 pm
As others here have said, being limited to mostly among college and high school students briefly stunted its popularity among the general population. And Myspace had a slow decline in users.
It was limited to college students from 2004 to 2006... It opened up to the public in 2006 so anyone was able to open an account... If you're saying it was limited to high school student in 2007 and 2008, then how the hell did my middle school friends all have it in 2008? How was I able to open an account? It was not limited to high school and college students... People who weren't in college were able to use it.
Subject: Re: I think 2009 was already a 10s year culturally
Written By: Slim95 on 10/01/17 at 2:34 pm
Obama is very much a 00's icon as he is 2010s, if anything, more people cared about him in 2008 than in 2016.
Most new artists blew up in 2009. In 2008 it was still all about Rihanna, Beyoncé, Chris Brown, Katy Perry(from 2007), Kanye West, Lupe Fiasco, Lil Wayne, Sean Kingston, Sean Paul, the Pussy Cat Dolls, MIA, and Pink. 2008 bared far more similarities to 2006 than it did to 2011.
That's why 2008 leans towars the 2010s. He was not an '00s icon at all. George Bush was.
Subject: Re: I think 2009 was already a 10s year culturally
Written By: prodanny288 on 02/18/18 at 12:38 pm
I agree with you, OP. I’m even reluctant myself on calling 2009 the 2000s.
Subject: Re: I think 2009 was already a 10s year culturally
Written By: Rainbowz on 02/18/18 at 12:41 pm
I agree with you, OP. I’m even reluctant myself on calling 2009 the 2000s.
I was actually looking at videos from 2009 the other day. To my surprise, most of them screamed early 2010's and they were recorded in mid-2009. I think 2009 had more in common with 2011 than it did with 2007 IMO.
Subject: Re: I think 2009 was already a 10s year culturally
Written By: TheReignMan99 on 02/18/18 at 1:09 pm
I was actually looking at videos from 2009 the other day. To my surprise, most of them screamed early 2010's and they were recorded in mid-2009. I think 2009 had more in common with 2011 than it did with 2007 IMO.
What videos were those?
Subject: Re: I think 2009 was already a 10s year culturally
Written By: Rainbowz on 02/18/18 at 1:13 pm
What videos were those?
It was a YouTuber who had some videos from July 2009. She even dressed a little bit different compared to her videos from 2006-2008.
Subject: Re: I think 2009 was already a 10s year culturally
Written By: LooseBolt on 02/18/18 at 7:25 pm
I would be interested in seeing those. Can you post them?
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