I was watching episodes of a show made in the mid 2000's the other day (made in 2004 released in 2005) and it struck me how old everything looked to the clothes/hairstyles right down to the picture quality of the series.

I find it a bit weird as it was as if when we were in the 2000's we were deliberately trying to avoid looking dated in the future.  We were minimalist when it came to fashion to avoid looking cheesy and dated like some of the decades before us looked to us at the time. But today even that minimalist look is looking dated even though it doesn't feel that long ago. Does anyone else ever feel surprised when they see how old the 2000's actually look?

Sometimes it freaks me out how dated stuff from the early 2000s look like. Especially because I can remember that time well and a lot of the times it doesn't even feel that long ago. But when you look back on some commercials many of them look extremely dated. It's just crazy how time passes by so fast. It's gonna be very weird looking back to this time in 20 years and everything will look dated, I'm gonna feel so old.  :-\\

Everything that I remember from 2002 to 2008 looked really dated to me. Although these kind of threads aren't really going to confirm about what I do think is dated now.

I was watching episodes of a show made in the mid 2000's the other day (made in 2004 released in 2005) and it struck me how old everything looked to the clothes/hairstyles right down to the picture quality of the series.

I find it a bit weird as it was as if when we were in the 2000's we were deliberately trying to avoid looking dated in the future.  We were minimalist when it came to fashion to avoid looking cheesy and dated like some of the decades before us looked to us at the time. But today even that minimalist look is looking dated even though it doesn't feel that long ago. Does anyone else ever feel surprised when they see how old the 2000's actually look?

The emo and scene looks are dated
So are the early 00s punk and mallcore looks. I remember in the early 00s glitter and pastels were in a lot too.

The emo and scene looks are dated
So are the early 00s punk and mallcore looks. I remember in the early 00s glitter and pastels were in a lot too.


Where I live, that "glitter and pastels" age lasted until around 2007-ish.

Where I live, that "glitter and pastels" age lasted until around 2007-ish.


It's more like 2008 when it ended.

Considering that we're 8 years removed from 2009, it shouldn't come as a 'surprise.' People seriously overrate the 10sness of the late 2000s.

Where I live, that "glitter and pastels" age lasted until around 2007-ish.


In my area it lasted up through 2003 with some remnants in 2004.

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Lots of people acted and dressed like this in the 00s

Of course I'm surprised at how dated the 2000's are getting. And I'm not happy about it either.

I can't tell you how weird it is to think about the fact that I was in high school 15 years ago, that all of the music and styles that were popular when I was a teenager are now passe, and that the students that currently attend my old high school were either just toddlers or not even born yet when I went there! :o

Of course I'm surprised at how dated the 2000's are getting. And I'm not happy about it either.

I can't tell you how weird it is to think about the fact that I was in high school 15 years ago, that all of the music and styles that were popular when I was a teenager are now passe, and that the students that currently attend my old high school were either just toddlers or not even born yet when I went there! :o


Wow that must be really strange to think about! I'm nowhere near that stage yet when it comes to my high school years but I can imagine it would be depressing to acknowledge  :-\\

Yeah like when I watch videos from say 2006 or see 2006 cars, I can tell how it's old. Even 2009 where most people still had a flip phone and social media was just barely becoming popular is old, everything taken for granted today was much less mainstream back in 2009 definitely. That's how the passage of time is, a gradual buildup of changes over time that you don't really think about until you look back and realize it was different.

Yeah like when I watch videos from say 2006 or see 2006 cars, I can tell how it's old. Even 2009 where most people still had a flip phone and social media was just barely becoming popular is old, everything taken for granted today was much less mainstream back in 2009 definitely. That's how the passage of time is, a gradual buildup of changes over time that you don't really think about until you look back and realize it was different.

Yeah I was surprised when I looked at a home video from 2006 (made a thread about it a few months ago). I also noticed how the cars on the road looked older, but I think this has to do more with a lot of 1990s cars still being on the road rather than 2006 cars themselves. Now it's less common to see older cars.

Yeah I was surprised when I looked at a home video from 2006 (made a thread about it a few months ago). I also noticed how the cars on the road looked older, but I think this has to do more with a lot of 1990s cars still being on the road rather than 2006 cars themselves. Now it's less common to see older cars.

I actually have seen a good amount of cars from the 1970s-1990s on the road in the past few months.

Yeah, I am somewhat. I've watched videos from that decade, and I just couldn't believe how dated they were despite that it wasn't long ago!


People seriously overrate the 10sness of the late 2000s.
I agree! It seem that some folks don't even realize that the late 00s wasn't all that 10s to begin with. Electropop was not a dominant force; social media was not ubiquitous, and fashion was still diverse.

Yeah I was surprised when I looked at a home video from 2006 (made a thread about it a few months ago). I also noticed how the cars on the road looked older, but I think this has to do more with a lot of 1990s cars still being on the road rather than 2006 cars themselves. Now it's less common to see older cars.


It's weird that 2006 cars actually blend in with '90s cars a bit to me now. They got that whole more rounded thing going on but the designs are much simpler it seems. The lines, details, headlight styles and overall design of 2016-2017 cars is actually far different.

https://media.ed.edmunds-media.com/honda/civic/2006/oem/2006_honda_civic_sedan_hybrid_rq_oem_1_500.jpg
https://services.edmunds-media.com/image-service/media-ed/sharp/?crop=16x9&quality=70&format=jpg:progressive&image=/honda/civic/2017/td/2017_honda_civic_r34_td_1031161_1600.jpg

The 2006 actually looks not that far off from like 1989 cars even in a way.

It's weird that 2006 cars actually blend in with '90s cars a bit to me now. They got that whole more rounded thing going on but the designs are much simpler it seems. The lines, details, headlight styles and overall design of 2016-2017 cars is actually far different.

https://media.ed.edmunds-media.com/honda/civic/2006/oem/2006_honda_civic_sedan_hybrid_rq_oem_1_500.jpg
https://services.edmunds-media.com/image-service/media-ed/sharp/?crop=16x9&quality=70&format=jpg:progressive&image=/honda/civic/2017/td/2017_honda_civic_r34_td_1031161_1600.jpg

The 2006 actually looks not that far off from like 1989 cars in a way.

The part in bold is where I have to disagree with you. Cars from 1989 looked NOTHING like that car or pretty much any car from the 2000s. Cars from 1989 were still boxy and long meanwhile cars from 2006 were curvy and "shorter".

Some aspects of the 2000s have so far aged like fine wine, thanks to their prevailing utility or stylistic neutrality. Others, such as SD 4:3 shows being everywhere, shamelessly misogynist and homophobic non-religious media, and especially the big, fat, plasticky, buttoned gadgets commonly solid throughout the decade, have noughties plastered all over them.

Fashion has aged less, since only a limited number of people wore emo, scene, neo-punkish, or baggy clothing and either Avril or wings hair, but at the same time, it's also different not to see so many undercuts or thrift shop attire in photographs from the 2000s.

Gaming, in my opinion, has aged much more slowly than it did for the 80s or 90s. Not only are all the same companies still in the console race as was the case in 2001, the range of games isn't super different from most of the 2000s. True, online gaming is much more common than it was in the first half of the 2000s, but you still have that mature tone, surplus of FPS's, extreme focus on cutscenes, and general lack of gender-neutral titles in favor of brodude games as was the deal in the 2000s. Graphics from the 2000s also do not show their age as quickly as 80s and 90s ones did. Sure, the 3D models are a bit more detailed today, but by the 6th generation, a comfortable number of video games had already attained that level of expressive-but-not-uncanny-valley CGI look that I think was sort of the end goal in the first place back in the 90s. Super Smash Bros Melee and Halo: Combat Evolved are both as old now as most video games from 1986 were back when they came out, and yet the graphics for both of those titles still look quite good today, in my opinion.

The part in bold is where I have to disagree with you. Cars from 1989 looked NOTHING like that car are pretty much any car from the 2000s. Cars from 1989 were still boxy and long meanwhile cars from 2006 were curvy and "shorter".


Actually some cars in 1989 were getting a bit more curvy (Ford Taurus) and a bit smaller, compared to cars from say 1980. Here's a pic of an '89, maybe the '06 is a bit more like the '17 but it's a lot more debatable than you think actually.

A 1989 civic.
http://momentcar.com/images/1989-civic-1.jpg

Actually some cars in 1989 were getting a bit more curvy (Ford Taurus) and a bit smaller, compared to cars from say 1980. Here's a pic of an '89, maybe the '06 is a bit more like the '17 but it's a lot more debatable than you think actually.

A 1989 civic.
http://momentcar.com/images/1989-civic-1.jpg

Yeah, that car is not curvy at all. That's a pretty standard boxy car.

I personally prefer the boxy cars of the 1970s to early 1990s over the curvy cars of the mid 1990s to present.....but that's just a side note.

Yeah, that car is not curvy at all. That's a pretty standard boxy car.

I agree that still looks strictly like an 80s car, but actually, the model he posted is based on a design that started production in 1987. Honda cars, for the most part, didn't look super 90s until 1991, when the 1992 model Civic hit retailers.

HERE are some new cars from 1989, which have that more rounded aesthetic associated with the 1990s:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/23/89-95_Mazda_MPV.jpg/280px-89-95_Mazda_MPV.jpg

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/18/5th-Toyota-Celica-coupe.jpg/440px-5th-Toyota-Celica-coupe.jpg

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/1a/3a/60/1a3a60e98724d73381b87df437c8b8a3.jpg

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/38/89-91_Ford_Taurus.jpg/440px-89-91_Ford_Taurus.jpg

http://autosofinterest.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/1989-Ford-Thunderbird-LX-rf-med2.jpg

https://media.ed.edmunds-media.com/mazda/mx-5-miata/1990/oem/1990_mazda_mx-5-miata_convertible_base_fq_oem_1_500.jpg

I agree that still looks strictly like an 80s car, but actually, the model he posted is based on a design that started production in 1987. Honda cars, for the most part, didn't look super 90s until 1991, when the 1992 model Civic hit retailers.

HERE are some new cars from 1989, which have that more rounded aesthetic associated with the 1990s:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/23/89-95_Mazda_MPV.jpg/280px-89-95_Mazda_MPV.jpg

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/18/5th-Toyota-Celica-coupe.jpg/440px-5th-Toyota-Celica-coupe.jpg

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/1a/3a/60/1a3a60e98724d73381b87df437c8b8a3.jpg

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/38/89-91_Ford_Taurus.jpg/440px-89-91_Ford_Taurus.jpg

http://autosofinterest.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/1989-Ford-Thunderbird-LX-rf-med2.jpg

https://media.ed.edmunds-media.com/mazda/mx-5-miata/1990/oem/1990_mazda_mx-5-miata_convertible_base_fq_oem_1_500.jpg

Nice examples. However, only one of those cars (the second one) looks like it could have come out in the late 1990s or early 2000s.

The whole boxy vs. curvy thing is NOT exactly the only thing defining car design either, I don't why people here focus on that so much. It's so simplistic to look at things that way.

The whole boxy vs. curvy thing is NOT exactly the only thing defining car design either, I don't why people here focus on that so much. It's so simplistic to look at things that way.

Wait, so what are you focused on? ??? (just asking)

Wait, so what are you focused on? ??? (just asking)


I said in an earlier post like the different lines and angles, shape of the front and rear, style of the headlights and taillights. There's actually a lot of little things. I can even notice the difference between an early '10s car vs 2017 car easily for example.

I said in an earlier post like the different lines and angles, shape of the front and rear, style of the headlights and taillights. There's actually a lot of little things. I can even notice the difference between an early '10s car vs 2017 car easily for example.

I certainly can't. Cars from 2010 look exactly the same as cars from last year to me.

The whole boxy vs. curvy thing is NOT exactly the only thing defining car design either, I don't why people here focus on that so much. It's so simplistic to look at things that way.


It's by far the biggest distinguisher between 80s and 90s cars, however. Angular vehicles were common in the 70s and 80s, but cars from the 90s, 2000s, and 2010s have primarily opted for more rounded designs. The exceptions, like the Honda Element, are usually more novel vehicles, often derided for their ugliness.

Within the 1980s, cars from the first half often had rounded box-shaped headlights, which became common in the late 1970, while the second half transitioned towards rectangular screens, as was still prevalent in early 90s vehicles. However, the 1986 Ford Taurus was still definitely revolutionary in guiding car designs into the future because of how much warmer its rounded frame appeared in contrast to the rough, mechanical look of its rivals.

I certainly can't. Cars from 2010 look exactly the same as cars from last year to me.


I think it's like my high attention to detail. I just notice differences in things very easily. Don't you see the difference though, obviously it's a different more modern design.

https://static.cargurus.com/images/site/2009/10/26/18/11/2010_hyundai_sonata-pic-395992497140358846-1600x1200.jpeg

https://m.hyundaiusa.com/images/2017/sonata/vlp/Performance/2017-sonata-mobile-sonata-mobile-main-performance-1.jpg

It's by far the biggest distinguisher between 80s and 90s cars, however. Angular vehicles were common in the 70s and 80s, but cars from the 90s, 2000s, and 2010s have primarily opted for more rounded designs. The exceptions, like the Honda Element, are usually more novel vehicles, often derided for their ugliness.

Within the 1980s, cars from the first half often had rounded box-shaped headlights, which became common in the late 1970, while the second half transitioned towards rectangular screens, as was still prevalent in early 90s vehicles. However, the 1986 Ford Taurus was still definitely revolutionary in guiding car designs into the future because of how much warmer its rounded frame appeared in contrast to the rough, mechanical look of its rivals.

Wow, awesome summation :). Nice job #Infinity...you explained it better than I could.

I think it's like my high attention to detail. I just notice differences in things very easily. Don't you see the difference though, obviously it's a different more modern design.

https://static.cargurus.com/images/site/2009/10/26/18/11/2010_hyundai_sonata-pic-395992497140358846-1600x1200.jpeg

https://m.hyundaiusa.com/images/2017/sonata/vlp/Performance/2017-sonata-mobile-sonata-mobile-main-performance-1.jpg

Well yeah...now that I see it there is a difference but both cars are not that dissimilar to each other.

Well yeah...now that I see it there is a difference but both cars are not that dissimilar to each other.


Yeah I mean not HUGE HUGE, but still the 2010 looks clearly older so I can tell. All the makes usually follow certain similar trends so I can usually tell with any make or model around what time it was produced even with the newer cars.

Yeah I mean not HUGE HUGE, but still the 2010 looks clearly older so I can tell. All the makes usually follow certain similar trends so I can usually tell with any make or model around what time it was produced even with the newer cars.

You have a much more keen eye than me.

I actually have seen a good amount of cars from the 1970s-1990s on the road in the past few months.

Well you obviously don't remember 2006 that well then, because there were noticeably more dated cars on the road back then.

Well you obviously don't remember 2006 that well then, because there were noticeably more dated cars on the road back then.

Did I say the opposite? ??? I just made an observation about the present. Also, I remember 2006 pretty well but thanks for assuming.

2000, definitely. I mean, who wears blonde tipped hair, anymore?  ::)  ::)

wI5_DWMHxgk From 2008. I understand this was a low-budget video, but seeing such a blurry video posted in an official channel could be a shock.

wI5_DWMHxgk From 2008. I understand this was a low-budget video, but seeing such a blurry video posted in an official channel could be a shock.


Are you sure that wasn't done to have more of a smoky effect?

Are you sure that wasn't done to have more of a smoky effect?
I'm not sure, after all, the music video was an afterthought and one of her costumes was reused from a previous tour.

One thing I am noticing though is that 10 years ago feels less and less like 10 years as the years go on. I think this is because the 2000s were such a huge decade of transformation and change and the 2010s hugely lack in comparison. Or it can be just because I'm growing up and my perspective is starting to change. Like for example in 2012, 2002 was 10 years ago but it felt so much longer and 2002 was super dated compared to 2012 like another world. Now 2007 is 10 years and it doesn't feel as long ago, and if this decade remains consistent then 2009 won't feel very dated in 2019.

It's weird that 2006 cars actually blend in with '90s cars a bit to me now. They got that whole more rounded thing going on but the designs are much simpler it seems. The lines, details, headlight styles and overall design of 2016-2017 cars is actually far different.

https://media.ed.edmunds-media.com/honda/civic/2006/oem/2006_honda_civic_sedan_hybrid_rq_oem_1_500.jpg
https://services.edmunds-media.com/image-service/media-ed/sharp/?crop=16x9&quality=70&format=jpg:progressive&image=/honda/civic/2017/td/2017_honda_civic_r34_td_1031161_1600.jpg

The 2006 actually looks not that far off from like 1989 cars even in a way.


More than the exterior, a car feels old on the inside if it only has a CD player and no USB or auxiliary port to plug in your phone or iPod, or Bluetooth.

More than the exterior, a car feels old on the inside if it only has a CD player and no USB or auxiliary port to plug in your phone or iPod, or Bluetooth.

Or if tit only has a cassette player.

I was watching episodes of a show made in the mid 2000's the other day (made in 2004 released in 2005) and it struck me how old everything looked to the clothes/hairstyles right down to the picture quality of the series.

I find it a bit weird as it was as if when we were in the 2000's we were deliberately trying to avoid looking dated in the future.  We were minimalist when it came to fashion to avoid looking cheesy and dated like some of the decades before us looked to us at the time. But today even that minimalist look is looking dated even though it doesn't feel that long ago. Does anyone else ever feel surprised when they see how old the 2000's actually look?


I can understand the need to have more minimalist/conservative fashion that we had back in the 2000s-2010s to avoid looking dated and cheesy. Although in my opinion bright, unsubtle, colorful fashion trends are always more memorable. Last time fashion didn't have the minimalistic style was the early 2000s when people looked like this
https://img.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeed-static/static/2013-11/enhanced/webdr07/4/13/enhanced-buzz-9043-1383591154-16.jpg
Although even that is now consider old and cheesy. As for the rest of the 2000s the fashion was more minimalistic, but when you go into sub cultures you get into things like Scene/Emo fashion which stands out a bit, but now that has also been seen as old and cheesy.

And like you've mentioned even the minimalist look is starting to become dated or old. This may end up causing a new reaction in fashion that will cause for it to be more over-the-top/colorful fashion. I happen to take a liking to things that are cheesy and/or colorful, but it's easy to see why everyone else doesn't.

2000, definitely. I mean, who wears blonde tipped hair, anymore?  ::)  ::)

Either color it all blonde or not at all!  :D

More than the exterior, a car feels old on the inside if it only has a CD player and no USB or auxiliary port to plug in your phone or iPod, or Bluetooth.

You can still use an adapter plug that has a USB in it.

One thing I am noticing though is that 10 years ago feels less and less like 10 years as the years go on. I think this is because the 2000s were such a huge decade of transformation and change and the 2010s hugely lack in comparison. Or it can be just because I'm growing up and my perspective is starting to change. Like for example in 2012, 2002 was 10 years ago but it felt so much longer and 2002 was super dated compared to 2012 like another world. Now 2007 is 10 years and it doesn't feel as long ago, and if this decade remains consistent then 2009 won't feel very dated in 2019.


I think the advancement of technology has some role in that, but age probably plays the biggest part. As you get older, longer and longer amounts of time continue to seem recent.

For example, back in 2005, 1990 seemed way longer than 15 years ago to me because I was only a toddler at that time and had just vague memories. Now I can't believe that 2002 is 15 years ago. Yes the technology from that period is quite dated today, but the memories are all so fresh. 2007 still feels like it was just over five minutes ago to me, so it definitely hard to believe that was 10 years ago.

I think the advancement of technology has some role in that, but age probably plays the biggest part. As you get older, longer and longer amounts of time continue to seem recent.

For example, back in 2005, 1990 seemed way longer than 15 years ago to me because I was only a toddler at that time and had just vague memories. Now I can't believe that 2002 is 15 years ago. Yes the technology from that period is quite dated today, but the memories are all so fresh. 2007 still feels like it was just over five minutes ago to me, so it definitely hard to believe that was 10 years ago.


A part of me just doesn't want to accept that 2005-2007 are as old as they are. I was still a kid then but it's still all so fresh in my head!

A part of me just doesn't want to accept that 2005-2007 are as old as they are. I was still a kid then but it's still all so fresh in my head!


Yeah, I get that. You're still young at 12, but your memories from that age are still very well developed. I feel the same way about 1999. It's seems extremely dated technologically, of course, but all my memories from that period seem like yesterday. I can't believe it's been 18 years!

Yeah, I get that. You're still young at 12, but your memories from that age are still very well developed. I feel the same way about 1999. It's seems extremely dated technologically, of course, but all my memories from that period seem like yesterday. I can't believe it's been 18 years!

Age really does change your perception of time. Being born in 1999.....everything before 2010 feels distant. 2000-2002 feels really old to me especially since I was only a toddler then, 2003-2005 feels distant but nearly as much as 2000-2002, 2006-2007 feels dated but a "newer" feel than 2003-2005, 2008-2009 feels a bit dated and a little distant.

However, that is just my personal sentiment. The oldest year my mother still has memories from is 1967....so yeah...what feels distant to her is much different than what is distant to us.

Age really does change your perception of time. Being born in 1999.....everything before 2010 feels distant. 2000-2002 feels really old to me especially since I was only a toddler then, 2003-2005 feels distant but nearly as much as 2000-2002, 2006-2007 feels dated but a "newer" feel than 2003-2005, 2008-2009 feels a bit dated and a little distant.

However, that is just my personal sentiment. The oldest year my mother still has memories from is 1967....so yeah...what feels distant to her is much different than what is distant to us.


Everything before 1992 just seems like a huge blur to me. Like another world or something. I remember some of the things that happened between 1988-1991, but it all feels very hazy and vague. 1993-1995 are considerably clearer, but still feel like a million years ago. 1996-1997 are super clear, but still seem old. Everything 1998 and later still seems like yesterday.

Everything before 1992 just seems like a huge blur to me. Like another world or something. I remember some of the things that happened between 1988-1991, but it all feels very hazy and vague. 1993-1995 are considerably clearer, but still feel like a million years ago. 1996-1997 are super clear, but still seem old. Everything 1998 and later still seems like yesterday.

I like how for both of us...the year we turned 11 (me in 2010 and you in 1998) is when everything started seem like it was yesterday.

I like how for both of us...the year we turned 11 (me in 2010 and you in 1998) is when everything started seem like it was yesterday.


That's seems like pretty much the consensus for most people that you ask. My younger brother (born in 1991) has said that everything 2002 later is like yesterday to him, and I've noticed quite a few people on this board say the same thing. It seems like somewhere between ages 10-12 is where your memories seem to solidify for most people.

That's seems like pretty much the consensus for most people that you ask. My younger brother (born in 1991) has said that everything 2002 later is like yesterday to him, and I've noticed quite a few people on this board say the same thing. It seems like somewhere between ages 10-12 is where your memories seem to solidify for most people.

Yeah, pretty much. Our middle school years is when sh*t (aka life) gets real ;D.

That's seems like pretty much the consensus for most people that you ask. My younger brother (born in 1991) has said that everything 2002 later is like yesterday to him, and I've noticed quite a few people on this board say the same thing. It seems like somewhere between ages 10-12 is where your memories seem to solidify for most people.


My memories solidified at 5.

That's seems like pretty much the consensus for most people that you ask. My younger brother (born in 1991) has said that everything 2002 later is like yesterday to him, and I've noticed quite a few people on this board say the same thing. It seems like somewhere between ages 10-12 is where your memories seem to solidify for most people.


I'm a 91er and I tend to agree, although maybe change it to 2003 instead of 2002.

That's seems like pretty much the consensus for most people that you ask.
I've had that same feeling as it goes to 1997/98 for me. I remember those years like it was yesterday! :o

My memories solidified at 5.

Same, 4-5 years old.

That's seems like pretty much the consensus for most people that you ask. My younger brother (born in 1991) has said that everything 2002 later is like yesterday to him, and I've noticed quite a few people on this board say the same thing. It seems like somewhere between ages 10-12 is where your memories seem to solidify for most people.


I always pick everything from 2008-present being yesterday to me not only because I was 12, but because how a lot of the culture changed throughout that year, it was transitional. From late 2008/2009 to a chunk of the 2010's it felt like things didn't change much with the culture of music, TV shows, and social media. Although in my mind I would say everything from 2006-present feels like yesterday because I vividly remember how amazing summer 2006 was for vacations, family events and gaming. 2001 is the first year I can remember events in order that happened in my life, but still a lot of blurry areas. 2002 is when my memories truly crystallized, however, 2002-2004 still feel like a long time ago, it's definitely not as vivid as 2006-2008. It seems like your single digit memories slowly fade as you get older, but your double digit memories will always stick with you for a lifetime no matter how old you get. Everything from 2008-present is recent to me, I don't care what anybody says. First day of high school in 2010, I can't believe it'll be 7 years but it still feels like a week ago in my mind.

My memories solidified at 5.



I've had that same feeling as it goes to 1997/98 for me. I remember those years like it was yesterday! :o


Same, 4-5 years old.

You guys aren't understanding what mach!ne_he@d is saying.

Also, the memory of a 10-12 year old is much better than the memory of a 4-5 year old....just reread mach!ne_he@d's post.

You guys aren't understanding what mach!ne_he@d is saying.

Also, the memory of a 10-12 year old is much better than the memory of a 4-5 year old....just reread mach!ne_he@d's post.


I think it has less to do with one's memory at that age and more to do with outgrowing childhood activities/trends, entering puberty, and developing interests in more "adult" (not necessarily sexual) activities. For me, that year was 2003 (12 years old). My memory of 2003 isn't any better than that of 1996, but the former feels (and is) much more recent because I was at a stage in my life that's infinitely more relatable to where I am today (but there's obviously a huge difference between age 12 and age 26).

I think it has less to do with one's memory at that age and more to do with outgrowing childhood activities/trends, entering puberty, and developing interests in more "adult" (not necessarily sexual) activities. For me, that year was 2003 (12 years old). My memory of age 12, at this point, isn't any better than that of age 6.

That can't possibly be true (the rest of your statement is true).

There is no way your memory is the same as when you're 6 and when you're 12. I remember 2011 (I turned 12 this year) much clearer than how I remember 2005 (I turned 6 this year).

That can't possibly be true (the rest of your statement is true).


There is no way your memory is the same as when you're 6 and when you're 12. I remember 2011 (I turned 12 this year) much clearer than how I remember 2005 (I turned 6 this year).

Everyone is different and maybe they do equally remember both years with the same clarity. It is certainly possible.

Everyone is different and maybe they do equally remember both years with the same clarity. It is certainly possible.

I don't know...that virtually goes against human development and based on what I know...Encoder319 has no mental problems nor any developmental problems from his childhood (however, I don't know 100%...just 99.9%).

If so, then Enconder319 shouldn't remember things the same as when he's 6 and as when he's 12. However, you what...whatever...I don't really care.

You guys aren't understanding what mach!ne_he@d is saying.

Also, the memory of a 10-12 year old is much better than the memory of a 4-5 year old....just reread mach!ne_he@d's post.
Oh. I know what's he's saying. It's just for me, those years definitely still seem like yesterday because I remember when they were current.

Oh. I know what's he's saying. It's just for me, those years definitely still seem like yesterday because I remember when they were current.

Oh OK.

To me 2006-2007 doesn't feel like yesterday....I guess life feels more recent as you get older....I don't know :P.

I don't know...that virtually goes against human development and based on what I know...Encoder319 has no mental problems nor any developmental problems from his childhood (however, I don't know 100%...just 99.9%).

:D

If so, then Enconder319 shouldn't remember things the same as when he's 6 and as when he's 12. However, you what...whatever...I don't really care.


I mean, 2003 was 14 years ago... long enough to the point where you're likely only going to remember a few things here and there.

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I mean, 2003 was 14 years ago... long enough to the point where you're likely only going to remember a few things here and there.

Fair point but I'm sure you can still remember more stuff from 2003 than 1996.

I've had that same feeling as it goes to 1997/98 for me. I remember those years like it was yesterday! :o


You're almost in your mid-20s and being a preschooler feels recent? :o

I mean I have strong memories of that age, but they feel forever ago. I couldn't even read or write yet, and I still watched Barney and my mom would dress me up and walk me to the bus stop for school. I still have strong memories but all of those memories are stone age. ;D

Fair point but I'm sure you can still remember more stuff from 2003 than 1996.


Surprisingly no. All I really remember about 2003 was the invasion of Iraq and just being a 6th/7th grader entering puberty and no longer being interested in Nickelodeon cartoons. But I can't really identify singular events like I can with 1996 like seeing Jack in theaters, my sister's 9th birthday, daycare, and the first day of kindergarten.

This thread makes me wanna go back in time to my childhood.  :\'(

Surprisingly no. All I really remember about 2003 was the invasion of Iraq and just being a 6th/7th grader entering puberty and no longer being interested in Nickelodeon cartoons. But I can't really identify singular events like I can with 1996 like seeing Jack in theaters, my sister's 9th birthday, daycare, and the first day of kindergarten.

Interesting....:P.

You're almost in your mid-20s and being a preschooler feels recent? :o

I mean I have strong memories of that age, but they feel forever ago. I couldn't even read or write yet, and I still watched Barney and my mom would dress me up and walk me to the bus stop for school. I still have strong memories but all of those memories are stone age. ;D
Well, I'm pretty much there and yeah. I'm not joking ;D

There are many things I remember that were literally brand new or current, and I just can't believe how old they are now :o. I mean just take a look at some of these songs!


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gUhRKVIjJtw

glEiPXAYE-U

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I agree with TheReignMan99, when you're younger, you have more quantity in memory, but when you're older you have more quality in memory. You can remember a bunch of stuff at age 5 or 6 but that doesn't mean it's in quality in memory as it is when you're 12 or 13. There's a reason everybody considers their teen or young adult years as "yesterday" to them no matter how older they get, even for elders in their 60's. Your single digits (especially earlier ones) will feel like long time ago by the time you hit your teen years, and they'll slowly fade as you get into your 20's, 30's, etc. By the time I was age 6, being a 2 year old already felt like "forever ago" and it was only 4 years ago at the time. By the time I was in 5th grade, even Kindergarten already felt like a long time ago. As a 21 year old, being 14 feels like last week. By the time I'm 40 being age 28 will still feel like yesterday. See the pattern. The key to having solidified/crystallized memories is having enough knowledge pre-high school to interact with the real world and understand everything around you. As a Kindergartener your memories may be crystallized, but you won't have the knowledge to speak or understand on the level of a 4th or 5th grader. The more knowledge you have about the world around you, the more solidified your memories will be, the less knowledge you have, the more likely it's going to fade away. That's why nobody can remember anything before age 2 because as a baby and 1 year old you don't have conscious of the world around you, it's like the first 2 years of your life never happened even though it did. Your memories may be clear at age 5 and 6, but it's impossible to remember being 5 or 6 better than being 12 or 13. I have no memories of politics before I was 10-12 years old, why, because I had no understanding of it as a young kid, I have a bunch of clear memories of politics and economics throughout my teen years, why, because I payed more attention to the news and understood what was going on around the real world. So imagine being between age 3-5 and you barely know any words or shapes, let alone the days of the week or months of the year, how to tell time, etc.? Would your memories really be as strong as a 10 or 11 year old? Highly doubt it.

It's weird to think that the age I am now, or even my teen years, will be seen as "forever ago" and blurry memories some time in the future. One day this time we are in now will be 50 years ago and look ancient and that's super strange to think about because everything seems natural and normal now as we are going through life.

Well, I'm pretty much there and yeah. I'm not joking ;D

There are many things I remember that were literally brand new or current, and I just can't believe how old they are now :o. I mean just take a look at some of these songs!


5wBTdfAkqGU

D30u9m-nEoo

3KL9mRus19o

gUhRKVIjJtw

glEiPXAYE-U

DIpQ4AZSAf8

kjDM0Fz5ccU

yDR5Yso7r44

T6QKqFPRZSA


That's weird, those songs are all recent to me and I wasn't even alive when those songs came out ;D.


I agree with TheReignMan99, when you're younger, you have more quantity in memory, but when you're older you have more quality in memory. You can remember a bunch of stuff at age 5 or 6 but that doesn't mean it's in quality in memory as it is when you're 12 or 13. There's a reason everybody considers their teen or young adult years as "yesterday" to them no matter how older they get, even for elders in their 60's. Your single digits (especially earlier ones) will feel like long time ago by the time you hit your teen years, and they'll slowly fade as you get into your 20's, 30's, etc. By the time I was age 6, being a 2 year old already felt like "forever ago" and it was only 4 years ago at the time. By the time I was in 5th grade, even Kindergarten already felt like a long time ago. As a 21 year old, being 14 feels like last week. By the time I'm 40 being age 28 will still feel like yesterday. See the pattern. The key to having solidified/crystallized memories is having enough knowledge pre-high school to interact with the real world and understand everything around you. As a Kindergartener your memories may be crystallized, but you won't have the knowledge to speak or understand on the level of a 4th or 5th grader. The more knowledge you have about the world around you, the more solidified your memories will be, the less knowledge you have, the more likely it's going to fade away. That's why nobody can remember anything before age 2 because as a baby and 1 year old you don't have conscious of the world around you, it's like the first 2 years of your life never happened even though it did. Your memories may be clear at age 5 and 6, but it's impossible to remember being 5 or 6 better than being 12 or 13. I have no memories of politics before I was 10-12 years old, why, because I had no understanding of it as a young kid, I have a bunch of clear memories of politics and economics throughout my teen years, why, because I payed more attention to the news and understood what was going on around the real world. So imagine being between age 3-5 and you barely know any words or shapes, let alone the days of the week or months of the year, how to tell time, etc.? Would your memories really be as strong as a 10 or 11 year old? Highly doubt it.

Thanks for agreeing with me. Also, solid post man...you hit everything.


It's weird to think that the age I am now, or even my teen years, will be seen as "forever ago" and blurry memories some time in the future. One day this time we are in now will be 50 years ago and look ancient and that's super strange to think about because everything seems natural and normal now as we are going through life.

I agree.

It's weird to think that the age I am now, or even my teen years, will be seen as "forever ago" and blurry memories some time in the future. One day this time we are in now will be 50 years ago and look ancient and that's super strange to think about because everything seems natural and normal now as we are going through life.


I feel very uneasy when I think about "10 years ago" and it's... High school.  :o just a couple of years ago, it meant elementary school. You kind of realize how short middle school/high school really were. I mean, 3 years, that's nothing! But it felt like forever back then. ;D

It's weird to think that the age I am now, or even my teen years, will be seen as "forever ago" and blurry memories some time in the future. One day this time we are in now will be 50 years ago and look ancient and that's super strange to think about because everything seems natural and normal now as we are going through life.


Yeah I know I think about that too. Today like any time is just a moment in time, we just pass it up and constantly move along the highway to the next exit that is life. Life is truly like a highway that we're just constantly driving along and each year is like it's own exit along that highway. I thought a portable CD player and game boy was high technology when I was 8 years old. I thought it was a big deal when 56K modems came out.  ;D

I feel very uneasy when I think about "10 years ago" and it's... High school.  :o just a couple of years ago, it meant elementary school. You kind of realize how short middle school/high school really were. I mean, 3 years, that's nothing! But it felt like forever back then. ;D

I totally agree...I was in midlle school from 2010-2013 and it felt like forever back then but looking back at it...it was nothing.

BTW, I didn't know that Canada also has middle school. You learn something new everyday :).

That's weird, those songs are all recent to me and I wasn't even alive when those songs came out ;D.
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Oh, and I also recall Clinton as president (not his policies though), 4th and 5th generations (the 4th was current until SNES was discontinued), Pokemania, Power Rangers (Pre-Disney) and even a time when the 20th century/2nd Millennium were current. I really can't believe how long ago those events were, and it doesn't seem that way at all.

I feel very uneasy when I think about "10 years ago" and it's... High school.  :o just a couple of years ago, it meant elementary school. You kind of realize how short middle school/high school really were. I mean, 3 years, that's nothing! But it felt like forever back then. ;D


It's weird for me thinking I was already in high school in freaking 2001, just before the twin towers fell. Someone BORN then is now learning how to drive already. And I first became a teen during the Bill Clinton administration!  :o

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Oh, and I also recall Clinton as president (not his policies though), 4th and 5th generations (the 4th was current until SNES was discontinued), Pokemania, Power Rangers (Pre-Disney) and even a time when the 20th century/2nd Millennium were current. I really can't believe how long ago those events were, and it doesn't seem that way at all.

;D ;D ;D ;D Life hits like a rock when you look back at how fast it goes by.

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Oh, and I also recall Clinton as president (not his policies though), 4th and 5th generations (the 4th was current until SNES was discontinued), Pokemania, Power Rangers (Pre-Disney) and even a time when the 20th century/2nd Millennium were current. I really can't believe how long ago those events were, and it doesn't seem that way at all.


I personally even remember George H.W. Bush being president a little, I was almost 6 when he left office.

It's weird for me thinking I was already in high school in freaking 2001, just before the twin towers fell. Someone BORN then is now learning how to drive already. And I first became a teen during the Bill Clinton administration!  :o

Listen, it's sometimes weird for me to even think that I've been alive for basically 18 years (almost 2 decades :o). When I was born...the Twin Towers were still standing and were still standing even on my 2nd birthday (July 13, 2001)...that's just hard for me to believe sometimes. I was born closer to 1982 than freaking 2017 :o..how? :(

I feel very uneasy when I think about "10 years ago" and it's... High school.  :o just a couple of years ago, it meant elementary school. You kind of realize how short middle school/high school really were. I mean, 3 years, that's nothing! But it felt like forever back then. ;D

Yeah I agree, time goes by so quickly.

BTW, I didn't know that Canada also has middle school. You learn something new everyday :).

Doesn't every place in the world have middle school? I thought that's a normal thing, elementary - junior high/middle school - high school.

;D ;D ;D ;D Life hits like a rock when you look back at how fast it goes by.
I know. ;D ;D

It's been hitting me hard for sometime.


I personally even remember George H.W. Bush being president a little, I was almost 6 when he left office.
And I bet it doesn't seem long ago either.


I feel very uneasy when I think about "10 years ago" and it's... High school.  :o just a couple of years ago, it meant elementary school. You kind of realize how short middle school/high school really were. I mean, 3 years, that's nothing! But it felt like forever back then. ;D
I've had that feeling as well. It still doesn't seem like a long time ago!

I know. ;D ;D

It's been hitting me hard for sometime.
And I bet it doesn't seem long ago either.
I've had that feeling as well. It still doesn't seem like a long time ago!


It's weird how I remember very vividly actually Dan Quayle misspelling potato for example and being seen as kinda dumb, my dad used to joke about him a lot when I was little it really sticks out.  ;D

Doesn't every place in the world have middle school? I thought that's a normal thing, elementary - junior high/middle school - high school.


When I lived in Hamilton it was Kindergarten to Grade 8, and then high school (Grade 9 to Grade 12). I moved to Toronto in Grade 7 though, that's when I went to a separate middle school (Grades 6 - 8 ). I like the K-8 system personally, you get to be a kid for a while longer!  ;D

When I lived in Hamilton it was Kindergarten to Grade 8, and then high school (Grade 9 to Grade 12). I moved to Toronto in Grade 7 though, that's when I went to a separate middle school (Grades 6 - 8 ). I like the K-8 system personally, you get to be a kid for a while longer!  ;D

Ohh okay that's interesting, I didn't know that. In the prairies, it's usually elementary that is kindergarten to grade 6, junior high is grade 7 to grade 9, and high school is grade 10 to grade 12.

Quayle and Dubya seem like geniuses compared to Trumpy however.

Doesn't every place in the world have middle school? I thought that's a normal thing, elementary - junior high/middle school - high school.

Nope. I thought that it was standard worldwide but it isn't.


It's weird how I remember very vividly actually Dan Quayle misspelling potato for example and being seen as kinda dumb, my dad used to joke about him a lot when I was little it really sticks out.  ;D

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Quayle and Dubya seem like geniuses compared to Trumpy however.

Hell yeah.

Ohh okay that's interesting, I didn't know that. In the prairies, it's usually elementary that is kindergarten to grade 6, junior high is grade 7 to grade 9, and high school is grade 10 to grade 12.

In the US:

K to 5th grade (Elementary school).

5/6th grade to 8th grade (Middle School). It depends on the school you're going to but most schools here start middle school with 6th grade.

9th grade to 12th grade (High School).

It's weird how I remember very vividly actually Dan Quayle misspelling potato for example and being seen as kinda dumb, my dad used to joke about him a lot when I was little it really sticks out.  ;D
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Hell yeah.


A lot of people in my state (Ohio) were fooled by Dump and still are, I'm so glad I wasn't. I was almost tempted at times and I'm so ashamed for that, but I knew better in the end thank God. I was hoping it was just a lot of talk to appeal to the idiots of society and thought well he's held more moderate positions in the past maybe it won't be that bad. But still I always knew he didn't have the temperament for such an important office though so no way I could vote for him. I knew I wouldn't be able to live with myself if I voted for this idiot.

A lot of people in my state (Ohio) were fooled by Dump and still are, I'm so glad I wasn't. I was almost tempted at times and I'm so ashamed for that, but I knew better in the end thank God. I was hoping it was just a lot of talk to appeal to the idiots of society and thought well he's held more moderate positions in the past maybe it won't be that bad. But still I always knew he didn't have the temperament for such an important office though so no way I could vote for him. I knew I wouldn't be able to live with myself if I voted for this idiot.

Good job and great resolve. I was never tempted by Trump but I couldn't vote anyways :P (just missed by 8 months).

A lot of people in my state (Ohio) were fooled by Dump and still are, I'm so glad I wasn't. I was almost tempted at times and I'm so ashamed for that, but I knew better in the end thank God. I was hoping it was just a lot of talk to appeal to the idiots of society and thought well he's held more moderate positions in the past maybe it won't be that bad. But still I always knew he didn't have the temperament for such an important office though so no way I could vote for him. I knew I wouldn't be able to live with myself if I voted for this idiot.


Sometimes a political party can be too militant, or extreme, whether it's the Right, or the Left, extremism can make someone do some dire things. Like a lot of people felt that the far Left went too crazy and I can see why it's tempting (not for me, I didn't vote for him) to vote for someone like Trump. I feel that if one party goes too far, or too extreme, whether it's the Right, or the Left, I feel that Trump isn't the guy to fight the extremism. Not someone who is irritating as nails on the chalkboard.  :P

Sometimes a political party can be too militant, or extreme, whether it's the Right, or the Left, extremism can make someone do some dire things. Like a lot of people felt that the far Left went too crazy and I can see why it's tempting (not for me, I didn't vote for him) to vote for someone like Trump. I feel that if one party goes too far, or too extreme, whether it's the Right, or the Left, I feel that Trump isn't the guy to fight the extremism. Not someone who is irritating as nails on the chalkboard.  :P

You know....the one thing I haven't gotten about this country is the thing I like to call "Conservative Empathy". A person can not even be so far to the left but because they support strict gun control and universal health care....they are a "raging Communist, anti-American and terrorist sympathizer". However, if a person (like Mike Pence) advocates for add Christianity to be taught in school, gay people to be electroshocked to "remove the gay" and giving mass tax cuts to the rich....."OMG, they are a true American patriot and they actually support the working class of America. Not the stupid tree hugger Libtards like the Democrats". It just makes no sense...and it's hypocritical. I have seen many people make the claim that they "almost voted for Trump because of the crazy Radical Leftists and cucks"....how could so many people supposedly see the crazyiness in some SJWs but not see or excuse the crazyiness of Donald Trump? I call it "Conservative empathy" or I just don't know :-\\.

Age really does change your perception of time. Being born in 1999.....everything before 2010 feels distant. 2000-2002 feels really old to me especially since I was only a toddler then, 2003-2005 feels distant but nearly as much as 2000-2002, 2006-2007 feels dated but a "newer" feel than 2003-2005, 2008-2009 feels a bit dated and a little distant.

This topic really hit me. 2002, 2004 and 2005 feel like yesterday to me. While the rest of the decade feels less apparent. 2006-2009 being especially since I cared less for those years.

Its until I hear one specific hit from 2002, 2004 and 2005. Sh!t, this song sounds as if it was just released.

Surprisingly no. All I really remember about 2003 was the invasion of Iraq and just being a 6th/7th grader entering puberty and no longer being interested in Nickelodeon cartoons. But I can't really identify singular events like I can with 1996 like seeing Jack in theaters, my sister's 9th birthday, daycare, and the first day of kindergarten.


That is surprising. I started kindergarten in 1992, and I can remember the first day quite well, but the rest of age 5 is fairly spotty. Most of the things I remember from that age are random stuff, like watching cartoons or playing Super Nintendo. I do remember the Storm of the Century hitting us in March 1993 pretty well, but that's the only major event from that age I can really remember in vivid detail.

6th and 7th grade are a totally different story, though. I can remember the bulk of 1999 like it was yesterday, not just stuff that happened in my life, but world events too like Bill Clinton's impeachment trail, the Columbine shooting and the Y2K hype. I can even remember stuff like going to my great-grandmother's birthday party in August 1999 in very clear detail.


Yeah I know I think about that too. Today like any time is just a moment in time, we just pass it up and constantly move along the highway to the next exit that is life. Life is truly like a highway that we're just constantly driving along and each year is like it's own exit along that highway. I thought a portable CD player and game boy was high technology when I was 8 years old. I thought it was a big deal when 56K modems came out.  ;D


The technology of the mid '90s is so dated, isn't it? I remember thinking back then that CD players and cell phones were only for rich kids. Even computers were still a luxury item. Hell, my grandparents didn't get their first TV with a remote until 1995, and my parents didn't have a remote until 1996.

Remember when everybody thought the Game Boy Color was a big deal because it was in color? That seems like a million years ago now.

You know....the one thing I haven't gotten about this country is the thing I like to call "Conservative Empathy". A person can not even be so far to the left but because they support strict gun control and universal health care....they are a "raging Communist, anti-American and terrorist sympathizer". However, if a person (like Mike Pence) advocates for add Christianity to be taught in school, gay people to be electroshocked to "remove the gay" and giving mass tax cuts to the rich....."OMG, they are a true American patriot and they actually support the working class of America. Not the stupid tree hugger Libtards like the Democrats". It just makes no sense...and it's hypocritical. I have seen many people make the claim that they "almost voted for Trump because of the crazy Radical Leftists and cucks"....how could so many people supposedly see the crazyiness in some SJWs but not see or excuse the crazyiness of Donald Trump? I call it "Conservative empathy" or I just don't know :-\\.


Gun control hurts the working class because it gives them less of an ability to defend themselves, especially in more dangerous neighborhoods.

Gun control hurts the working class because it gives them less of an ability to defend themselves, especially in more dangerous neighborhoods.

Not true and not the point I trying to make.

Not true and not the point I trying to make.


I personally think the issue is more just America's obsessive gun culture, not just the level of access people have to weapons. The United States is a country that basically idolizes guns as manly, patriotic instruments for defending the Constitution. It's glorified in many facets of media, from John Wayne cowboys, to military men, to video game protagonists, to even a healthy deal of modern television and movie characters. The level of coolness attached to guns is problematic for the mentally unstable enclave of Americans who aren't able to discern past these pretenses. Even if gun control laws were stricter, weapons would still be smuggled into the wrong hands illegally. However, the temptation or seeming necessity of a gun would not be nearly as serious if not for the glorification of arms.

Gun control hurts the working class because it gives them less of an ability to defend themselves, especially in more dangerous neighborhoods.


I don't see how this is a class issue. Do middle class/upper class people have personal bodyguards or something to replace the lost guns?  ???

In Latin America and other lawless countries, it's usually the wealthy or the powerful who buy up all the powerful guns and ammunition to control the poorer and more vulnerable people.

I personally think the issue is more just America's obsessive gun culture, not just the level of access people have to weapons. The United States is a country that basically idolizes guns as manly, patriotic instruments for defending the Constitution. It's glorified in many facets of media, from John Wayne cowboys, to military men, to video game protagonists, to even a healthy deal of modern television and movie characters. The level of coolness attached to guns is problematic for the mentally unstable enclave of Americans who aren't able to discern past these pretenses. Even if gun control laws were stricter, weapons would still be smuggled into the wrong hands illegally. However, the temptation or seeming necessity of a gun would not be nearly as serious if not for the glorification of arms.

You made solid points and I agree with you. However, my original comment wasn't about gun control. It was about what I call "Conservative Empathy" or "conservative bias" when it comes to American voters (in general). It's kind of hard to explain.

You know....the one thing I haven't gotten about this country is the thing I like to call "Conservative Empathy". A person can not even be so far to the left but because they support strict gun control and universal health care....they are a "raging Communist, anti-American and terrorist sympathizer". However, if a person (like Mike Pence) advocates for add Christianity to be taught in school, gay people to be electroshocked to "remove the gay" and giving mass tax cuts to the rich....."OMG, they are a true American patriot and they actually support the working class of America. Not the stupid tree hugger Libtards like the Democrats". It just makes no sense...and it's hypocritical. I have seen many people make the claim that they "almost voted for Trump because of the crazy Radical Leftists and cucks"....how could so many people supposedly see the crazyiness in some SJWs but not see or excuse the crazyiness of Donald Trump? I call it "Conservative empathy" or I just don't know :-\\.


Because there are more Whites in America than any other race, and more Whites are Republicans.  :-X  :-X

I also think that there are only slightly more Republicans than Democrats in America. So perhaps there's a majority bias there?

Because there are more Whites in America than any other race, and more Whites are Republicans.  :-X  :-X

I also think that there are only slightly more Republicans than Democrats in America. So perhaps there's a majority bias there?

Well, yeah...sorta....."Overall, 35% of white registered voters identify as independent, while about as many (36%) identify as Republican and fewer (26%) identify as Democratic." (as of the 2016 election).


According to Gallup, 40% of Americans identify as Independent, 29% identify as Republican and 28% identify as Democrat (poll taken May 3-7, 2017). However, despite this poll....I believe that about 55-65% of Independents lean Conservative or are Conservative...so I guess it is majority bias...who knows?

I personally think the issue is more just America's obsessive gun culture, not just the level of access people have to weapons. The United States is a country that basically idolizes guns as manly, patriotic instruments for defending the Constitution. It's glorified in many facets of media, from John Wayne cowboys, to military men, to video game protagonists, to even a healthy deal of modern television and movie characters. The level of coolness attached to guns is problematic for the mentally unstable enclave of Americans who aren't able to discern past these pretenses. Even if gun control laws were stricter, weapons would still be smuggled into the wrong hands illegally. However, the temptation or seeming necessity of a gun would not be nearly as serious if not for the glorification of arms.


How can a woman defend herself against a stronger man without a gun? It equalizes the genders

How can a woman defend herself against a stronger man without a gun? It equalizes the genders


I think it's just better to tell people that violence, especially against women, isn't the answer. Guns run entirely counter to this message and encourage deadly violence as a form of conflict resolution. It doesn't help your case that none of the countries with the greatest gender equality have very liberal gun laws.
http://reports.weforum.org/global-gender-gap-report-2016/rankings/

I think it's just better to tell people that violence, especially against women, isn't the answer. Guns run entirely counter to this message and encourage deadly violence as a form of conflict resolution. It doesn't help your case that none of the countries with the greatest gender equality have very liberal gun laws.
http://reports.weforum.org/global-gender-gap-report-2016/rankings/


How can she defend herself against being raped there?
Many people won't listen to such a message. It's naive to think they will.

How can she defend herself against being raped there?
Many people won't listen to such a message. It's naive to think they will.


Hmm, even in your hypothetical situation, what is stopping the man from pulling their gun out first and thus preventing the woman from pulling out her gun? There wouldn't even be a fighting chance against the rapist.

Rape is still a huge issue in every country, so yeah, it's not a perfect solution. I'm not convinced of the efficacy of arming everyone with a deadly weapon though. US and Latin American countries are not renowned for low rates of violence against women so we already have a case study on that.

How can a woman defend herself against a stronger man without a gun? It equalizes the genders


Well, for one thing, there are other weapons besides a gun. Not that I ever meant to imply there wasn't inherent security in having the right to bear arms, though.

Hmm, even in your hypothetical situation, what is stopping the man from pulling their gun out first and thus preventing the woman from pulling out her gun? There wouldn't even be a fighting chance against the rapist.

Rape is still a huge issue in every country, so yeah, it's not a perfect solution. I'm not convinced of the efficacy of arming everyone with a deadly weapon though. US and Latin American countries are not renowned for low rates of violence against women so we already have a case study on that.


It's called having some chance over no chance. With a gun you have some chance. With no gun you have no chance. If someone breaks into your home you have a chance to shoot before they can hurt you.

It's called having some chance over no chance. With a gun you have some chance. With no gun you have no chance. If someone breaks into your home you have a chance to shoot before they can hurt you.


If someone has a gun to your head then you can't say anything. They can even take your gun away.  They can even just kill you. And that's exactly what happens in the US/Latin America which have disproportionately high murder rates and virtually no gun laws compared to the rest of world.  :-X

If someone has a gun to your head then you can't say anything. They can even take your gun away.  They can even just kill you. And that's exactly what happens in the US/Latin America which have disproportionately high murder rates and virtually no gun laws compared to the rest of world.  :-X


Men are stronger than women. It's a fact. How else could a woman defend herself? I care about my individual chances more then the average person's.

In every other country no guns is better than guns. But in the U.S. at this point it is unfortunately needed due to the high crime rate and shootings will not decrease because criminals will always find a way. But the gun laws originally came with the idea of protecting yourself from the state. It goes all the way back to when America was first created.

Men are stronger than women. It's a fact. How else could a woman defend herself? I care about my individual chances more then the average person's.


But you are the average person. If an area has a high rate of violence, then it's more dangerous to be there, gun or no gun. Introducing guns to an area will just make it worse. It creates a culture of fear, paranoia, distrust and above all, violence.

I don't have the solution to eliminate violence against women. I wish I did, but nobody does, so I'm not going to list X, Y, and Z steps to completely eliminate violence from society. But we already know that introducing guns to an area clearly does not work. Guns will always be correlated with more killing and violence, that's literally its only purpose.

I can walk around my city at 3AM playing Pokémon GO on my expensive smartphone and my biggest concern is mosquitos. You think if I go to South Chicago packing a gun then it will be the exact same experience as North Toronto? I don't think so.

But you are the average person. If an area has a high rate of violence, then it's more dangerous to be there, gun or no gun. Introducing guns to an area will just make it worse. It creates a culture of fear, paranoia, distrust and above all, violence.

I don't have the solution to eliminate violence against women. I wish I did, but nobody does, so I'm not going to list X, Y, and Z steps to completely eliminate violence from society. But we already know that introducing guns to an area clearly does not work. Guns will always be correlated with more killing and violence, that's literally its only purpose.


Great points. But if we didn't kill with guns, we'd kill with knives, spears, or bows/arrows.  :(

But we already know that introducing guns to an area clearly does not work. Guns will always be correlated with more killing and violence, that's literally its only purpose.

Yeah but criminals will always find ways to obtain guns even if it were illegal. I bet most of the mass shooters in the U.S. had guns that were not legally licenced to them.

Yeah but criminals will always find ways to obtain guns even if it were illegal. I bet most of the mass shooters in the U.S. had guns that were not legally licenced to them.


They're also psychopathic and probably mentally insane.  :(  :(

Great points. But if we didn't kill with guns, we'd kill with knives, spears, or bows/arrows.  :(


Don't forget a fork, I forgot forks.  :-X

They're also psychopathic and probably mentally insane.  :(  :(

Yes, definitely. That's probably another reason why the U.S. is violent and has high crime rates and shootings. The country doesn't have proper and affordable health care for people who need psychiatric help.

Yes, definitely. That's probably another reason why the U.S. is violent and has high crime rates and shootings. The country doesn't have proper and affordable health care for people who need psychiatric help.


And too many guns too.  :-X  :-X

Great points. But if we didn't kill with guns, we'd kill with knives, spears, or bows/arrows.  :(


Those aren't as efficient though. It's like saying "If you ban PCs, I'll use a calculator and pencil & paper!". You have fun with that ;D

(there was a massacre in Toronto a few years ago where someone killed three people with a bow and arrow. I had no idea how to react :o)

My rationale for banning guns is that if an item's sole function is to kill things, then it does not belong in the hands of the average person. I have yet to hear a good reason on why we should allow guns, but not allow the average person to own things like grenades or nukes. Those can also be rationalized to be used for purely personal self defence reasons, and so they should be available to everybody, but that sounds absurd to just about everybody and for good reason.  :-X


Yeah but criminals will always find ways to obtain guns even if it were illegal. I bet most of the mass shooters in the U.S. had guns that were not legally licenced to them.


You can start regulating guns at the manufacturer level, forcing them to register every new gun they create. That's never happening in the US though so whatever lol. Me and the US are just two incompatible cultures when it comes to guns. I want a complete ban. ;D

But you are the average person. If an area has a high rate of violence, then it's more dangerous to be there, gun or no gun. Introducing guns to an area will just make it worse. It creates a culture of fear, paranoia, distrust and above all, violence.

I don't have the solution to eliminate violence against women. I wish I did, but nobody does, so I'm not going to list X, Y, and Z steps to completely eliminate violence from society. But we already know that introducing guns to an area clearly does not work. Guns will always be correlated with more killing and violence, that's literally its only purpose.

I can walk around my city at 3AM playing Pokémon GO on my expensive smartphone and my biggest concern is mosquitos. You think if I go to South Chicago packing a gun then it will be the exact same experience as North Toronto? I don't think so.


If you have no solution at least this is something. I'd rather have an imperfect solution than no solution at all. What else could equalize the strength? And some people even take it far to ban pepperspray. It's like all means of self defense are gone. I'll see this as the solution until a better alternative comes around.
There are many crime filled areas with gun control. Mexico has gun control but look at how people can't defend themselves against cartels.

Those aren't as efficient though. It's like saying "If you ban PCs, I'll use a calculator and pencil & paper!". You have fun with that ;D

(there was a massacre in Toronto a few years ago where someone killed three people with a bow and arrow. I had no idea how to react :o)

My rationale for banning guns is that if an item's sole function is to kill things, then it does not belong in the hands of the average person. I have yet to hear a good reason on why we should allow guns, but not allow the average person to own things like grenades or nukes. Those can also be rationalized to be used for purely personal self defence reasons, and so they should be available to everybody, but that sounds absurd to just about everybody and for good reason.  :-X

You can start regulating guns at the manufacturer level, forcing them to register every new gun they create. That's never happening in the US though so whatever lol. Me and the US are just two incompatible cultures when it comes to guns. I want a complete ban. ;D


How dare you talk back!  >:(  >:(  >:(

Yeah, you're right. But then, how will women protect themselves? Men with non-gun weapons are generally stronger than the average woman. Let only women carry knives, or something?  ???  ???

If you have no solution at least this is something. I'd rather have an imperfect solution than no solution at all. What else could equalize the strength? And some people even take it far to ban pepperspray. It's like all means of self defense are gone. I'll see this as the solution until a better alternative comes around.
There are many crime filled areas with gun control. Mexico has gun control but look at how people can't defend themselves against cartels.


But it's not a solution, that's what I'm saying. It's not even an imperfect solution, it is counterproductive.

And you're not equalizing strength as much as you're just making everyone extremely dangerous to be around. Let's say there's a future where people can install a cyborg arm to their bodies with the capability to crush anybody to death. Do you think it's best to install it on every person to "equalize strength"? 

Mexico's gun laws and gun culture are as bad as the US. I'm not sure where you heard that they have strict gun laws?

But it's not a solution, that's what I'm saying. It's not even an imperfect solution, it is counterproductive.

And you're not equalizing strength as much as you're just making everyone extremely dangerous to be around. Let's say there's a future where people can install a cyborg arm to their bodies with the capability to crush anybody to death. Do you think it's best to install it on every person to "equalize strength"? 

Mexico's gun laws and gun culture are as bad as the US. I'm not sure where you heard that they have strict gun laws?


By the time the police arrive, the crime already happened. I live in a world called reality. I'd rather have the cyborg arm than nothing. You don't understand what it's like to be physically vulnerable as a female. Yes I'd rather break the law than end up raped. Thems the breaks.

How dare you talk back!  >:(  >:(  >:(

Yeah, you're right. But then, how will women protect themselves? Men with non-gun weapons are generally stronger than the average woman. Let only women carry knives, or something?  ???  ???


I went to an anti-rape/violence protest at uni during my freshman year after there was a string of sexual assaults. It was the first protest I went to iirc. We got the university to  agree to many things, too many to list here. Things like requiring all new students to attend a presentation on rape culture and consent, installing emergency hotlines throughout campus, starting a student run volunteer organization (that you could call through the emergency line) that would escort you to where you want to go on campus, creating women-only hours at the pools and gym, extending campus shuttle buses to later hours (because a lot of people have night classes) etc. There were a lot more things, but it's late. It was a great package, and I genuinely do think it helped. It didn't eliminate the problem, that's why I don't call it a "solution" (and guns are the opposite of a solution), but it made the campus environment much safer for women and that's a good thing.

I can get behind initiatives like women-only subway cars, women-only hours in certain facilities and services, women/children-only pedestrian paths, letting women get off in between bus stops at late hours (my city implemented that in 2010), and many others. These won't completely eliminate violence, but they'll create a sense of safety that will allow women to more freely participate in society without coercion. No country has significantly eliminated rape. Frankly, every country is too dangerous, so I don't call any of these "solutions", but they do much more to ameliorate the problem than putting murder weapons on the street.

By the time the police arrive, the crime already happened. I live in a world called reality. I'd rather have the cyborg arm than nothing. You don't understand what it's like to be physically vulnerable as a female. Yes I'd rather break the law than end up raped. Thems the breaks.


You live in a world called the USA, where massacres are a fact of life thanks to a gun culture gone off the rails. A culture of fear and paranoia where people are terrified of turning on the nightly local news lest they see their neighbour and their children being murdered in cold blood and not the announcement of Suzie's bake sale charity drive like it should have been. And you can only blame the sensationalist news media for so much. I'm 11 times more likely to be murdered in Florida than I am in Ontario, not even speaking of other forms of gun violence. That's a cold hard fact and you can't blame Channel 1 news and their advertisers for that.

I already showed you how the country with the best gender equality, are also those with the lowest rates of violence, are also the ones of with the strictest gun laws.

And you already know that the US, the country with the highest gun ownership per capita in the world by far, has the highest rates of violence in the Western world. I thought you said guns make people safe?

And you're right, I'll never know what it's like to be a woman. That's why I'm reluctant to use words like "solution", because to me it can never be safe enough. I have no idea how "safe enough" would like, where you can stop and say "okay, everything is fine now". And guns are not a solution, they will make it worse. They are about as an "imperfection solution" as me jumping into the sewer is a solution to me stopping myself getting wet from the rain.

You got this idea that guns are a panacea to all of society's security woes lodged into your head and you're refusing to budge despite all of the so-called "reality" that you live in telling you that you're wrong. I think this is partly cultural upbringing, so I think it's best we just agree to disagree, since I don't think we'll see eye to eye on this issue.

Edit: now that I think about it it's actually very perverse. A tragic incident happens and people get scared, so they buy guns, and it's obviously the unstable people who'd be the first to buy guns because of paranoia, and they are the most likely to shoot up people again, and so another tragic event goes by, and even more people buy guns and it just keeps going. Whoever came up with the marketing ploy that you should buy a gun to protect yourself from all the other evil people who just bought a gun is a mad genius.  :o

I have to agree with Futurepoke (aka Slowpoke) here^

I don't agree though that there should be a complete ban on guns but there should be strict regulations and every gun should be licensed and have a regular inspection date (like every 3 years for example). However, at this point that is virtually impossible for 3 reasons:

1. The Gun Lobby: The NRA (National Rifle Association) which heavily influences (pays) many Republican politicians will not give in and they will do anything in their power to restrict ANY form of gun control.

2. The Second Amendment "cop out": The 2nd Amendment is what the NRA, many Republican politicians and a ton of gun owners/lovers like to say that makes all forms of gun control "un-American & unconstitutional". However, that is not true and it's a shame that so many people believe that. No Democratic politician in Congress is calling for all guns to be banned.....they are just calling for gun control (nationwide) because they want to see our gun homicides statistics and mass shootings go down dramatically. Of course, more gun control doesn't mean zero gun related deaths but more gun control means LESS (maybe even MUCH LESS) gun related deaths....how is that not a good thing?

3. The amount of guns in the USA: Believe it or not....there are MORE guns than people in the United States. So that means that there are over 320 million guns in this country.....that's enough to give a gun to every single American and there would still be millions of guns left over. That is just sad to me and the US is the ONLY country where such a statistic even exists.

You live in a world called the USA, where massacres are a fact of life thanks to a gun culture gone off the rails. A culture of fear and paranoia where people are terrified of turning on the nightly local news lest they see their neighbour and their children being murdered in cold blood and not the announcement of Suzie's bake sale charity drive like it should have been. And you can only blame the sensationalist news media for so much. I'm 11 times more likely to be murdered in Florida than I am in Ontario, not even speaking of other forms of gun violence. That's a cold hard fact and you can't blame Channel 1 news and their advertisers for that.

I already showed you how the country with the best gender equality, are also those with the lowest rates of violence, are also the ones of with the strictest gun laws.

And you already know that the US, the country with the highest gun ownership per capita in the world by far, has the highest rates of violence in the Western world. I thought you said guns make people safe?

And you're right, I'll never know what it's like to be a woman. That's why I'm reluctant to use words like "solution", because to me it can never be safe enough. I have no idea how "safe enough" would like, where you can stop and say "okay, everything is fine now". And guns are not a solution, they will make it worse. They are about as an "imperfection solution" as me jumping into the sewer is a solution to me stopping myself getting wet from the rain.

You got this idea that guns are a panacea to all of society's security woes lodged into your head and you're refusing to budge despite all of the so-called "reality" that you live in telling you that you're wrong. I think this is partly cultural upbringing, so I think it's best we just agree to disagree, since I don't think we'll see eye to eye on this issue.

Edit: now that I think about it it's actually very perverse. A tragic incident happens and people get scared, so they buy guns, and it's obviously the unstable people who'd be the first to buy guns because of paranoia, and they are the most likely to shoot up people again, and so another tragic event goes by, and even more people buy guns and it just keeps going. Whoever came up with the marketing ploy that you should buy a gun to protect yourself from all the other evil people who just bought a gun is a mad genius.  :o


Or protect myself from evil people who want to rape me or physically overpower me. Tell me how else I can overpower them again. Please tell me other options. I live in the real world not some pie in the sky lecture. It's the only way to stop people far physically stronger or when you're outnumbered or when they break into your home. A lecture about the gun lobby's not going to change my mind. I want solutions not moralizing. People are getting less and less sympathetic towards rape and I don't have 30 years to wait for education to sink in. I'm alive now and I need to protect myself now.

Don't forget, the mental health system is also really, ahem, ahem, crummy, in America, too. Most of these school shooters are um, sick. Although you can't fix a psychopath, that's a whole different story. But I'm guessing Slowpoke, and others, are talking about people who aren't sick, who shoot people too. Like some people will shoot someone for revenge. Or shoot someone as a last resort after a physical fight, or whatever.

Or protect myself from evil people who want to rape me or physically overpower me. Tell me how else I can overpower them again. Please tell me other options. I live in the real world not some pie in the sky lecture. It's the only way to stop people far physically stronger or when you're outnumbered or when they break into your home. A lecture about the gun lobby's not going to change my mind. I want solutions not moralizing. People are getting less and less sympathetic towards rape and I don't have 30 years to wait for education to sink in. I'm alive now and I need to protect myself now.


Like I said, we'll have to agree to disagree. You say "I'm not living in reality" but I showed you the objective numbers and they show that guns increase violence (markedly), not decrease it. If you refuse to accept that, then there's not much more for me to say. We'll just be talking past each other. ;D


Don't forget, the mental health system is also really, ahem, ahem, crummy, in America, too. Most of these school shooters are um, sick. Although you can't fix a psychopath, that's a whole different story. But I'm guessing Slowpoke, and others, are talking about people who aren't sick, who shoot people too. Like some people will shoot someone for revenge. Or shoot someone as a last resort after a physical fight, or whatever.


Yes, exactly. You don't even have to be mentally ill to end up killing someone with a simple pull of a trigger. The gun makes killing super efficient and you don't have to give it any thought, it becomes a simple reflex.

There was a funny story a few years ago, where a policeman from Michigan was vacationing in Calgary. Two guys approached him in a park and asked him if he had been to the Stampede (a local parade/fair). He thought they were asking to aggressively and trying to sell him drugs or kill him, so he ran away. Later he wrote a scathing editorial about how Calgary is unsafe and how being without a gun made him feel naked. He said he needed a gun "to feel a sense of security". The town in Michigan he came from had a population of 100,000 and had more murders a year than Calgary, a city of 1 million. I doubt anyone but him would feel "a sense of security" when he pulls a gun and kills two people for trying to have a friendly conversation. It all felt like a comedy sketch but it actually happened LOL.

Edit: here's the letter http://news.nationalpost.com/news/walt-wawra



Below is the letter from Kalamazoo, Mich., tourist Walt Wawra that set off a storm of social media ridicule after it was published in the Calgary Herald.

I recently visited Calgary from Michigan. As a police officer for 20 years, it feels strange not to carry my off-duty hand-gun. Many would say I have no need to carry one in Canada.

Yet the police cannot protect everyone all the time. A man should be al-lowed to protect himself if the need arises. The need arose in a theatre in Aurora, Colo., as well as a college campus in Canada.

Recently, while out for a walk in Nose Hill Park, in broad daylight on a paved trail, two young men approached my wife and me. The men stepped in front of us, then said in a very aggressive tone: “Been to the Stampede yet?”

We ignored them. The two moved closer, repeating: “Hey, you been to the Stampede yet?

I quickly moved between these two and my wife, replying, “Gentle-men, I have no need to talk with you, goodbye.” They looked bewildered, and we then walked past them.

I speculate they did not have good intentions when they approached in such an aggressive, disrespectful and menacing manner. I thank the Lord Jesus Christ they did not pull a weapon of some sort, but rather concluded it was in their best interest to leave us alone.

Would we not expect a uniformed officer to pull his or her weapon to intercede in a life-or-death encounter to protect self, or another? Why then should the expectation be lower for a citizen of Canada or a visitor? Wait, I know – it’s because in Canada, only the criminals and the police carry handguns.

Walt Wawra, Kalamazoo, Mich.

I'm biased. The 2000s doesn't feel "dated" to me due to its classic sound. I'm amazed we're soon to be a decade away from the 2000s. I'm not ready for this **

A part of me just doesn't want to accept that 2005-2007 are as old as they are. I was still a kid then but it's still all so fresh in my head!


Me neither. And it's weird as well because nearly all of the culture from back then is still so easily accessible!


Yeah, I get that. You're still young at 12, but your memories from that age are still very well developed. I feel the same way about 1999. It's seems extremely dated technologically, of course, but all my memories from that period seem like yesterday. I can't believe it's been 18 years!


It's weird to think some adults I know now weren't even born in 1999!


One thing I am noticing though is that 10 years ago feels less and less like 10 years as the years go on. I think this is because the 2000s were such a huge decade of transformation and change and the 2010s hugely lack in comparison. Or it can be just because I'm growing up and my perspective is starting to change. Like for example in 2012, 2002 was 10 years ago but it felt so much longer and 2002 was super dated compared to 2012 like another world. Now 2007 is 10 years and it doesn't feel as long ago, and if this decade remains consistent then 2009 won't feel very dated in 2019.


I think that is a phenomenon of the technology and culture of the later 2000s being quite similar to the 10s.

It's been a massive reality check now that 2008 was 10 years ago.

I really didn't want it to be.




I feel very uneasy when I think about "10 years ago" and it's... High school.  :o just a couple of years ago, it meant elementary school. You kind of realize how short middle school/high school really were. I mean, 3 years, that's nothing! But it felt like forever back then. ;D


It's weird to think, it was 10 years ago I was at community college, just an 18 year old. I wish I had girlfriends etc back then and memories with which to look back on fondly but I don't.

Like you, I now realise how education (not just school but college as well) used to be you're whole "world" but now it's not, just a small part of you're life :\'(




You live in a world called the USA, where massacres are a fact of life thanks to a gun culture gone off the rails. A culture of fear and paranoia where people are terrified of turning on the nightly local news lest they see their neighbour and their children being murdered in cold blood and not the announcement of Suzie's bake sale charity drive like it should have been. And you can only blame the sensationalist news media for so much. I'm 11 times more likely to be murdered in Florida than I am in Ontario, not even speaking of other forms of gun violence. That's a cold hard fact and you can't blame Channel 1 news and their advertisers for that.

I already showed you how the country with the best gender equality, are also those with the lowest rates of violence, are also the ones of with the strictest gun laws.

And you already know that the US, the country with the highest gun ownership per capita in the world by far, has the highest rates of violence in the Western world. I thought you said guns make people safe?

And you're right, I'll never know what it's like to be a woman. That's why I'm reluctant to use words like "solution", because to me it can never be safe enough. I have no idea how "safe enough" would like, where you can stop and say "okay, everything is fine now". And guns are not a solution, they will make it worse. They are about as an "imperfection solution" as me jumping into the sewer is a solution to me stopping myself getting wet from the rain.

You got this idea that guns are a panacea to all of society's security woes lodged into your head and you're refusing to budge despite all of the so-called "reality" that you live in telling you that you're wrong. I think this is partly cultural upbringing, so I think it's best we just agree to disagree, since I don't think we'll see eye to eye on this issue.

Edit: now that I think about it it's actually very perverse. A tragic incident happens and people get scared, so they buy guns, and it's obviously the unstable people who'd be the first to buy guns because of paranoia, and they are the most likely to shoot up people again, and so another tragic event goes by, and even more people buy guns and it just keeps going. Whoever came up with the marketing ploy that you should buy a gun to protect yourself from all the other evil people who just bought a gun is a mad genius.  :o


It's okay bud, you can't argue with certain types...

Save you're words :-X

She probably knows the holy bible off by heart as well ;D

Me neither. And it's weird as well because nearly all of the culture from back then is still so easily accessible!

It's weird to think some adults I know now weren't even born in 1999!

I think that is a phenomenon of the technology and culture of the later 2000s being quite similar to the 10s.

It's been a massive reality check now that 2008 was 10 years ago.

I really didn't want it to be.



It's weird to think, it was 10 years ago I was at community college, just an 18 year old. I wish I had girlfriends etc back then and memories with which to look back on fondly but I don't.

Like you, I now realise how education (not just school but college as well) used to be you're whole "world" but now it's not, just a small part of you're life :\'(



It's okay bud, you can't argue with certain types...

Save you're words :-X

She probably knows the holy bible off by heart as well ;D
The oldest 2000 borns being 18 is pretty suprising to those who remember that year and being excited about the new milenium.

Ono I just realised my last elementary school year is turning 10, how did that happen  ???

I recently saw a photo I thought was from the 1980s, but it turned out to actually be from 2001. Not too surprising as 2001 is a lot closer to the late 80s than today!

I recently saw a photo I thought was from the 1980s, but it turned out to actually be from 2001. Not too surprising as 2001 is a lot closer to the late 80s than today!


Some parts of the year are closer to 1984 and even 1983 than today.

It's scary that 2009 has aged. Back then flip phones still had relevance, most video games didn't have lootboxes, the iPad didn't exist, TV and cable were still popular, and YouTube was still in it's golden age and in the classic YouTube Poop era.

I miss 2009...

It's scary that 2009 has aged. Back then flip phones still had relevance, most video games didn't have lootboxes, the iPad didn't exist, TV and cable were still popular, and YouTube was still in it's golden age and in the classic YouTube Poop era.

I miss 2009...


watching Vh1 was so painful in 2009 lol

Everything after 2005 feels pretty much the same to me.

watching Vh1 was so painful in 2009 lol

I would say it died in or after 2006.

I would say it died in or after 2006.


LATE 2006, that is.

LATE 2006, that is.

Lol

Not dated, but still having memories.

Yea, it's actually VERY VERY shocking. Cause of how new and cutting edge it felt at the time. :o :o :o

I can't believe the 2000s are gone and its only becoming more distant. It has the perfect modern culture and sound. I even stress about it at times. It doesn't make sense to me. What? Where the f am I?

I wish I could just realize the 2000s never ended.

I'm not really surprised tbh that even 2009 feels pretty antiquated now. Life just goes on and you get used to after a while to how long ago things were. In a few months, the 2010s will become the new "a decade ago" and I'm starting to get used to that too.

I'm not really surprised tbh that even 2009 feels pretty antiquated now. Life just goes on and you get used to after a while to how long ago things were. In a few months, the 2010s will become the new "a decade ago" and I'm starting to get used to that too.

Yeah but it blows my mind the 2000s will be the new '80s. By that I mean in the 2000s people were talking all about the '80s as it was 20 years ago and how different of a world it was and that feels like yesterday. And now that will happen with the 2000s... So it's as if I lived in the 1980s. But you're right it feels werid to me now but I will get used to it I think for anyone in their 20s it's a little weird when you realize how time sped up and your childhood was literally 20 years ago even if it doesn't feel that long ago.

Yeah but it blows my mind the 2000s will be the new '80s. By that I mean in the 2000s people were talking all about the '80s as it was 20 years ago and how different of a world it was and that feels like yesterday. And now that will happen with the 2000s... So it's as if I lived in the 1980s. But you're right it feels werid to me now but I will get used to it I think for anyone in their 20s it's a little weird when you realize how time sped up and your childhood was literally 20 years ago even if it doesn't feel that long ago.


I always knew the early 2000s would feel very dated I just didn't know how dated, at the time we were very in the moment of the culture so we didn't really have time to reflect on what the future culture would be.

Maybe I've posted this before but it is crazy to me how things suddenly became dated. Back in 2009 and the early 2010s when fashion were changing, I couldn't stand the skinny jean look and thought that 2000s fashion looked best. Now in 2019, when I watch old movies from the 2000s, the fashion looks really silly and dated. It's interesting how perspectives change so drastically over the years. Those Rocawear, Sean John, etc fits really look old school now. I still love the Babyphat look tho.

Maybe I've posted this before but it is crazy to me how things suddenly became dated. Back in 2009 and the early 2010s when fashion were changing, I couldn't stand the skinny jean look and thought that 2000s fashion looked best. Now in 2019, when I watch old movies from the 2000s, the fashion looks really silly and dated. It's interesting how perspectives change so drastically over the years. Those Rocawear, Sean John, etc fits really look old school now. I still love the Babyphat look tho.
I still like the 2000s fashion because it had personality and it really was the decade where hip-hop really felt like a culture rather than just a genre of music. Even tho the 80s and 90s had hip hop fashion it was the 2000s where rappers had their own clothing line. 2000s fashion definitely felt over the top at times but it still felt simplistic enough to transcend time.

the late 00s feels like yesterday, get real

Back in 2009 and the early 2010s when fashion were changing, I couldn't stand the skinny jean look and thought that 2000s fashion looked best. Now in 2019, when I watch old movies from the 2000s, the fashion looks really silly and dated.


Skinny jeans were 00s emo fashion, though. But I agree it got annoying when they started appearing everywhere in the 2010s. (Or maybe it’s just that I outgrew my emo phase, hahaha)

I feel as tho 2000 thru 2018 as are identicle.

I feel as tho 2000 thru 2018 as are identicle.
That is very possible considering nothing has changed since 1990

For me, anything from Y2K onward still doesn’t feel old.