I was born in 1999 and have seen multiple different definitions on what generation people born from 1997-2000 are apart of. It's either Generation Y (or the Millennial Generation) or Generation Z (the "current" generation). Here are the different definitions I have found:

Definition 1: The end of Generation Y.
Some people say that people born from 1997-2000 are apart of Generation Y but at the very end (as they define, people born from 1982-2000) and that people born from 2001-present are apart of Generation Z.

Definition 2: The start of Generation Z.
Others say that people born from 1997-2000 are apart of the start of Generation Z. They define Generation Z as being those born 1995-present and those born from 1981-1994 as Generation Y.

Definition 3: Their own unique generation.
I have seen some people say that people born from 1997-2000 (until about 2002 or 2004) are their own unique generation and not apart of any others.


I just want to know the opinion of the people here on inthe00s.com.

I wonder if we can only know in retrospect.

Millennial. The Millennial/Gen Z cusp is 2001-2006.

Millennial. The Millennial/Gen Z cusp is 2001-2006.


No. Just no.

Mid 2000s babies aren't even kids through most of the 2000s.  8-P

Also, 1999 babies were at the very end of Gen Y with 2000 babies.

This topic will get shut down with all other generationology topics. But if I had to give an answer I'd say neither.

1995-1998 is the cusp of Gen Y/Z, really. Those years certainly don't fit neatly into either category. When it comes to generations, though, it seems like marketers don't treat this like a serious issue, like us nerds do. They just throw darts at a dartboard of random start/end dates and use those dates to sell their products (for instance, I've seen articles define Millennials as 1977-2000, 1986-2005, or 1979-2001 all of which make my head spin).

Yeah, I know this topic will probably get closed but I just wanted to know what your opinions were, lol.

Yeah, I know this topic will probably get closed but I just wanted to know what your opinions were, lol.


We have a lot of threads like this. If you searched up most of these members posts, at least 10% of them would be related towards generations we don't care about. Myself included.

We have a lot of threads like this. If you searched up most of these members posts, at least 10% of them would be related towards generations we don't care about. Myself included.

Oh Ok. I just want to have a general discussion or opinion stating thread. Not "I was born in le wrong generation" or "people born from 1997-2000 suck and had a horrible childhood, the 2000s SUUUUUCKED!!!!"  ;D :D

Oh Ok. I just want to have a general discussion or opinion stating thread. Not "I was born in le wrong generation" or "people born from 1997-2000 suck and had a horrible childhood, the 2000s SUUUUUCKED!!!!"  ;D :D


Honestly, we never really had people like that in this site. Even when I first joined in the summer of 2015, people actually greeted me instead of being dicks (as from other websites I've previously visited).

Honestly, we never really had people like that in this site. Even when I first joined in the summer of 2015, people actually greeted me instead of being dicks (as from other websites I've previously visited).

Interesting (same here). Which other websites did you visit?.

Interesting (same here). Which other websites did you visit?.


IGN, Newgrounds (which didn't really have a lot of good people), and Deviantart (which I'm planning to quit using because the site sucks).

IGN, Newgrounds (which didn't really have a lot of good people), and Deviantart (which I'm planning to quit using because the site sucks).

Oh yeah on IGN and Newgrounds they are definetly mean towards us who born in the late 90s and early 00s. I literally saw post that said that Americans born in 1999 "suck and have no generation, our childhood sucked and we grew up with horrible 2000s shows and cartoons". SMH  >:(. However, I have seen that this site is much kinder and that's why I joined.  :P

Oh yeah on IGN and Newgrounds they are definetly mean towards us who born in the late 90s and early 00s. I literally saw post that said that Americans born in 1999 "suck and have no generation, our childhood sucked and we grew up with horrible 2000s shows and cartoons". SMH  >:(. However, I have seen that this site is much kinder and that's why I joined.  :P


Yeah, those sites sucked ass whenever somebody talked about the 2000s. Although Newgrounds was worse, since all they did was f*ck with you if you actually became nostalgic for the decade. It was so bad for me, that I couldn't really stand most of the community. IGN on the other hand respected late 90s and early 2000s babies more, since the forums were more diverse and wasn't a wasteland by the time I joined.

Yeah, those sites sucked ass whenever somebody talked about the 2000s. Although Newgrounds was worse, since all they did was f*ck with you if you actually became nostalgic for the decade. It was so bad for me, that I couldn't really stand most of the community. IGN on the other hand respected late 90s and early 2000s babies more, since the forums were more diverse and wasn't a wasteland by the time I joined.

Oh Ok. There's a wide range of opinions on IGN on late 90s and early 00s babies. Most I've seen is either condescending or negative, only a very few very kind or neutral.

Oh Ok. There's a wide range of opinions on IGN on late 90s and early 00s babies. Most I've seen is either condescending or negative, only a very few very kind or neutral.


Well most IGN mods aren't really douchebags. I've been only banned at least once from them. The other time I wanted to self-ban (yes, it's possible). Newgrounds' mods on the other hand are just really bad. It was worse when the mid 2010s came (especially 2014). Throughout the time I've been banned from their forums, I've been banned over five times. FIVE TIMES!!! The weirdest thing about that was it the other members' faults for giving me them. The site was way better in the 2000s/early 2010s.

Well most IGN mods aren't really douchebags. I've been only banned at least once from them. The other time I wanted to self-ban (yes, it's possible). Newgrounds' mods on the other hand are just really bad. It was worse when the mid 2010s came (especially 2014). Throughout the time I've been banned from their forums, I've been banned over five times. FIVE TIMES!!! The weirdest thing about that was it the other members' faults for giving me them. The site was way better in the 2000s/early 2010s.

You were banned for what?

You were banned for what?


One time I had a discussion with people about Family Guy. I once said that Brian's humor wasn't funny because it involved a lot of 9/11 jokes. One member decided to f*ck with me over it, so he spammed the Newgrounds forums with the Twin Towers being destroyed on 9/11. This really pissed me off because that wasn't interpreted from what I said. Being the sensitive younger teen that I was, I got upset over most of the posts and put on all caps with my responses. The moderators noticed this, and they banned me for about four days.

Even after I got banned, that same person spammed the forums (including my threads) with 9/11 pictures over and over again. It got to the point where he made a sock puppet account, where I didn't realize he was f*cking with me. I got him so much attention that I became a laughingstock on Newgrounds, where even some normal users poked sh*t at me in their signatures. There was even a flash movie about me, which I immediately reported due to how it offended me. I didn't realize this until early 2015, when I couldn't get enough friends on the site. I later closed down my account, and nobody heard of me ever since.

One time I had a discussion with people about Family Guy. I once said that Brian's humor wasn't funny because it involved a lot of 9/11 jokes. One member decided to f*ck with me over it, so he spammed the Newgrounds forums with the Twin Towers being destroyed on 9/11. This really pissed me off because that wasn't interpreted from what I said. Being the sensitive younger teen that I was, I got upset over most of the posts and put on all caps with my responses. The moderators noticed this, and they banned me for about four days.

Even after I got banned, that same person spammed the forums (including my threads) with 9/11 pictures over and over again. It got to the point where he made a sock puppet account, where I didn't realize he was f*cking with me. I got him so much attention that I became a laughingstock on Newgrounds, where even some normal users poked sh*t at me in their signatures. There was even a flash movie about me, which I immediately reported due to how it offended me. I didn't realize this until early 2015, when I couldn't get enough friends on the site. I later closed down my account, and nobody heard of me ever since.

Wow, I'm sorry but I both laughed and sighed at your post (sorry  :\'(). Damn, back in 2014 and 2015 stuff like that wouldn't of bothered me. Well, at least you've got a warm welcome here. BTW, what inspired your username "NewYorkRaven"?.

Wow, I'm sorry but I both laughed and sighed at your post (sorry  :\'(). Damn, back in 2014 and 2015 stuff like that wouldn't of bothered me. Well, at least you've got a warm welcome here. BTW, what inspired your username "NewYorkRaven"?.


To be fair, I really wished I experienced this site around 2014. Then I would've at least had a better community to talk to. Also, my name "NewYorkRaven" was a modification from "NewYorkEagle". I only changed it here, because that's when I became enlightened about the New York Giants. I had different usernames, but NewYorkEagle stuck with me the most on a lot of websites.

To be fair, I really wished I experienced this site around 2014. Then I would've at least had a better community to talk to. Also, my name "NewYorkRaven" was a modification from "NewYorkEagle". I only changed it here, because that's when I became enlightened about the New York Giants. I had different usernames, but NewYorkEagle stuck with me the most on a lot of websites.

Oh you're New York Eagle. I've seen you on Personality Cafe, you were born in like December 1999, right?. I've seen posts of you from 2015 and 2016. Wow, it's a small world.

Oh you're New York Eagle. I've seen you on Personality Cafe, you were born in like December 1999, right?. I've seen posts of you from 2015 and 2016. Wow, it's a small world.


Yeah, I was on Personality Cafe. The site was okay, but it wasn't as good as InThe00s. I didn't really knew you recognized me from Personality Cafe. What username did you have on that site?

Yeah, I was on Personality Cafe. The site was okay, but it wasn't as good as InThe00s. I didn't really knew you recognized me from Personality Cafe. What username did you have on that site?

My username is The Illustrious Reign Man. I joined Personality Cafe about a month ago but it's not very active on The Generations Forums.

My username is The Illustrious Reign Man. I joined Personality Cafe about a month ago but it's not very active on The Generations Forums.


Yeah, the Generations Forums weren't that active since mid 2016. I've been more into InThe00s after that, and it was more active to me. Although, the reason why I didn't go on Personality Cafe that much was that my account wasn't accessible without me remembering my password.

Yeah, the Generations Forums weren't that active since mid 2016. I've been more into InThe00s after that, and it was more active to me. Although, the reason why I didn't go on Personality Cafe that much was that my account wasn't accessible without me remembering my password.

Yeah, I've seen you, SharksFan99 and mgp96 (I think that's his name) on Personality Cafe but your posts were from 2014-2016.

Yeah, I've seen you, SharksFan99 and mgp96 (I think that's his name) on Personality Cafe but your posts were from 2014-2016.


Yeah, both of them were more active than me on that site.

Yeah, both of them were more active than me on that site.

Well, at least we found a great online forum to reminiscence about our childhood in the 2000s. BTW, are you apart of the Class of 2017 or 2018?

Well, at least we found a great online forum to reminiscence about our childhood in the 2000s. BTW, are you apart of the Class of 2017 or 2018?


Even though in my school district, late 1999 babies can graduate this year as seniors. However, I'm gonna graduate next year in 2018.

Even though in my school district, late 1999 babies can graduate this year as seniors. However, I'm gonna graduate next year in 2018.

Oh damn, that sucks (IMO). I know of a few kids born in November-December 1999 in my school that are grading along with me this year. Including one kid born on December 24, 1999. Class of 2017 FTW but I'm not ready for college, lol.

Oh damn, that sucks (IMO). I know of a few kids born in November-December 1999 in my school that are grading along with me this year. Including one kid born on December 24, 1999. Class of 2017 FTW but I'm not ready for college, lol.


Class of 2018 wouldn't be that different, since most of them would be late 1999 and 2000 babies. Much like the class of 2017 are late 1998 and 1999 babies.

Class of 2018 wouldn't be that different, since most of them would be late 1999 and 2000 babies. Much like the class of 2017 are late 1998 and 1999 babies.

You know what's funny there are a few kids born in October-December 1998 in my class but also 2 that were born before September 1998. One boy was born in August 1998 (but he got left back once) and one girl born on January 10, 1998, I don't know how she's in our graduating class. She should of graduated last year (2016), maybe she got left back, IDK.

You know what's funny there are a few kids born in October-December 1998 in my class but also 2 that were born before September 1998. One boy was born in August 1998 (but he got left back once) and one girl born on January 10, 1998, I don't know how she's in our graduating class. She should of graduated last year (2016), maybe she got left back, IDK.


I know some juniors in my high school who were born in 1999. I heard one of them saying that she got laid back during elemetary school.

1997 to 2000, eh? The Millenial culture years, or at least the first half of them.

1997 to 2000, eh? The Millenial culture years, or at least the first half of them.

Yep.

While they are in a dilemma of not identifying with either generation, they are most likely considered part of the Zeds although they would the older ones.

I'm going to refrain from going into depth about the boundaries of Generation Y, however I will say that people born between 1997-2000 have every right to view themselves as being a Late Gen Y, if that's what they identify with.

This topic will get shut down with all other generationology topics. But if I had to give an answer I'd say neither.

1995-1998 is the cusp of Gen Y/Z, really. Those years certainly don't fit neatly into either category. When it comes to generations, though, it seems like marketers don't treat this like a serious issue, like us nerds do. They just throw darts at a dartboard of random start/end dates and use those dates to sell their products (for instance, I've seen articles define Millennials as 1977-2000, 1986-2005, or 1979-2001 all of which make my head spin).

I agree. The 1986-2005 range has been used very little which is the most ridiculous out of the three ranges mentioned for the years of geny/millennial.

I agree. The 1986-2005 range has been used very little which is the most ridiculous out of the three ranges mentioned for the years of geny/millennial.


SET 'EM STRAIGHT BRO!

SET 'EM STRAIGHT BRO!

HAHA always my friend ;)

Damn. These Late 90s-Early 2000s titles really make me nostalgic.

I honestly have no idea what a Millennial even is anymore. Older folks now just lump in all young people as "Millennials" whenever they want to complain about "kids these days". I saw some dude on TV the other day complaining about how even elementary school kids have smartphones these days and the other guy just kind of scoffed and said, "Millennials, what do you expect?" I mean, these are like 2011-2006 babies being called "Millennials" now? :o

If you think that 1986-2005 definition of Millennials is bad, you should've seen this guy on our local television news several weeks ago. They were doing a segment about how marketers define various generations and he listed 1994-2009 as Millennial, 1977-1993 as "Generation Y", and 1964-1976 as Generation X. I wonder where they did their research on that one? :o

I honestly have no idea what a Millennial even is anymore. Older folks now just lump in all young people as "Millennials" whenever they want to complain about "kids these days". I saw some dude on TV the other day complaining about how even elementary school kids have smartphones these days and the other guy just kind of scoffed and said, "Millennials, what do you expect?" I mean, these are like 2011-2006 babies being called "Millennials" now? :o

If you think that 1986-2005 definition of Millennials is bad, you should've seen this guy on our local television news several weeks ago. They were doing a segment about how marketers define various generations and he listed 1994-2009 as Millennial, 1977-1993 as "Generation Y", and 1964-1976 as Generation X. I wonder where they did their research on that one? :o


Yes! I made it to the cool kids table.  8)

I'm Generation Y not millennial.  :-X

Yes! I made it to the cool kids table.  8)

I'm Generation Y not millennial.  :-X


But now you belong to the generation of the Backstreet Boys, Limp Bizkit and Creed. Are you sure this is a good thing? :P

I honestly have no idea what a Millennial even is anymore. Older folks now just lump in all young people as "Millennials" whenever they want to complain about "kids these days". I saw some dude on TV the other day complaining about how even elementary school kids have smartphones these days and the other guy just kind of scoffed and said, "Millennials, what do you expect?" I mean, these are like 2011-2006 babies being called "Millennials" now? :o

What show was he on? Perhaps you could call him up on the phone or send his show an email and send him a Wikipedia link to set him straight.

I'm guessing he's probably a *grumbles* Boomer, right? Boomers seem to think there's only one generation other than them, and that's Millennials. Or that there's only one flavor of soda, Coke. Or that the only truly "American" news station is Fox News.

Boomers are so dense that they will never think there's another generation except Millennials, no siree. Even though the New York Times, one of the top newspapers in the country, did a story back in 2015 about Generation Z, they didn't care. They had headlines essentially screaming out right in front of them "THERE IS ANOTHER GENERATION AFTER MILLENNIALS!!!!!!!!!", but they didn't pay attention to them for whatever reason.

(I didn't mean that, but that's the explanation Reddit and other sites would give you since they really hate Boomers)

Damn. These Late 90s-Early 2000s titles really make me nostalgic.

What titles?

I honestly have no idea what a Millennial even is anymore. Older folks now just lump in all young people as "Millennials" whenever they want to complain about "kids these days". I saw some dude on TV the other day complaining about how even elementary school kids have smartphones these days and the other guy just kind of scoffed and said, "Millennials, what do you expect?" I mean, these are like 2001-2006 babies being called "Millennials" now? :o

If you think that 1986-2005 definition of Millennials is bad, you should've seen this guy on our local television news several weeks ago. They were doing a segment about how marketers define various generations and he listed 1994-2009 as Millennial, 1977-1993 as "Generation Y", and 1964-1976 as Generation X. I wonder where they did their research on that one? :o


I remember when the definition used to be something like 1978-1993; 1978 being the first to graduate college in Y2K, 1993 being the last to be at school during, you know.

First they pushed it to 1981-1996/1997. Now they're pushing it to 1982-2000 because of what is likely to be presidencies or Chinese Zodiac reasons. I don't belong in the same generation as someone who listened to BSB/NSync during their acme of popularity (of course, I was likely only a neonate/newborn during their peak), but I'm also not part of that generation that uses ABC Mouse as a young child and uses a smartphone at age eight.

Some are even extending the generation and making it VERY big, like using 1977-2007 as millennials (a 31-year span). Not to mention, Pew Research Center is very bad. They would get anyone who is 18-34 that year (like this year, it would be 1982/83-1999).

I won't be surprised if this thread gets closed.

I honestly have no idea what a Millennial even is anymore. Older folks now just lump in all young people as "Millennials" whenever they want to complain about "kids these days". I saw some dude on TV the other day complaining about how even elementary school kids have smartphones these days and the other guy just kind of scoffed and said, "Millennials, what do you expect?" I mean, these are like 2011-2006 babies being called "Millennials" now? :o

If you think that 1986-2005 definition of Millennials is bad, you should've seen this guy on our local television news several weeks ago. They were doing a segment about how marketers define various generations and he listed 1994-2009 as Millennial, 1977-1993 as "Generation Y", and 1964-1976 as Generation X. I wonder where they did their research on that one? :o



What show was he on? Perhaps you could call him up on the phone or send his show an email and send him a Wikipedia link to set him straight.

I'm guessing he's probably a *grumbles* Boomer, right? Boomers seem to think there's only one generation other than them, and that's Millennials. Or that there's only one flavor of soda, Coke. Or that the only truly "American" news station is Fox News.

Boomers are so dense that they will never think there's another generation except Millennials, no siree. Even though the New York Times, one of the top newspapers in the country, did a story back in 2015 about Generation Z, they didn't care. They had headlines essentially screaming out right in front of them "THERE IS ANOTHER GENERATION AFTER MILLENNIALS!!!!!!!!!", but they didn't pay attention to them for whatever reason.

(I didn't mean that, but that's the explanation Reddit and other sites would give you since they really hate Boomers)


When's it take for them to acknowledge that not all young people are Millennials? Most of them are actually either the Zeds or the Alphas (some are currently the youngest elementary school students)

Sooner or later, they need to know that Millennials (Gen Y) are NOT that young anymore and that the Zeds (Gen Z) will be taking over that spot. Besides, the Oldest Yers are already near 40 with very few are at that age now, and the Oldest Zeds are graduating college/university (if they went the Bachelor's degree route).

Furthermore, there are plenty of Millennials who are married, have children, own apartments/houses, and even have jobs (both part-time and full-time). They're NOT all in their 20s!


I remember when the definition used to be something like 1978-1993; 1978 being the first to graduate college in Y2K, 1993 being the last to be at school during, you know.

Now they're pushing it to 1982-2000 (a common definition) or even ending the generation at a year in the mid 00's. Some even put it at 1977-2007!
Well you can thank Strauss & Howe for that span due to 1982 folks being the first to graduate high school in the millennium (They did early studies on this generation), and who are also responsible for creating the term Millennials in the first place. Ever since then, that range has been constantly used in numerous articles, and their span has been used a source to start the Millennial (Gen Y) cohort.

Say, Dog, can you respond to the PM I sent you?

When's it take for them to acknowledge that not all young people are Millennials? Most of them are actually either the Zeds or the Alphas (some are currently the youngest elementary school students)

Sooner or later, they need to know that Millennials (Gen Y) are NOT that young anymore and that the Zeds (Gen Z) will be taking over that spot. Besides, the Oldest Yers are already near 40 with very few are at that age now, and the Oldest Zeds are graduating college/university (if they went the Bachelor's degree route).

Furthermore, there are plenty of Millennials who are married, have children, own apartments/houses, and even have jobs (both part-time and full-time). They're NOT all in their 20s!
Well you can thank Strauss & Howe for that span due to 1982 folks being the first to graduate high school in the millennium (They did early studies on this generation), and who are also responsible for creating the term Millennials in the first place. Ever since then, that range has been constantly used in numerous articles, and their span has been used a source to start the Millennial (Gen Y) cohort.


You mean the oldest Yers are 40? Those born from January 1 - March 23, 1977 are now 40.

Say, Dog, can you respond to the PM I sent you?
What message?


You mean the oldest Yers are 40? Those born from January 1 - March 23, 1977 are now 40.
Yeah. I have seen that span of Gen Y beginning with that year with sources NOT from Strauss & Howe.

What message?

The one about halfs/thirds

The one about halfs/thirds
I don't think I ever received it.

This topic will get shut down with all other generationology topics. But if I had to give an answer I'd say neither.

1995-1998 is the cusp of Gen Y/Z, really. Those years certainly don't fit neatly into either category. When it comes to generations, though, it seems like marketers don't treat this like a serious issue, like us nerds do. They just throw darts at a dartboard of random start/end dates and use those dates to sell their products (for instance, I've seen articles define Millennials as 1977-2000, 1986-2005, or 1979-2001 all of which make my head spin).


I really don't think anyone born in the late 90's (even 1999, like myself) could be truly Z. If I tell you that I had a pager when I was younger, didn't get a cellphone (flip phone) until I was a teenager, and have parents born circa 1950's (my mom missed the 1950's by several months - meaning she was pushing 40 when she had me, but my dad was born in the early 50's), you probably won't know this is coming from a 99 born.

I really don't think anyone born in the late 90's (even 1999, like myself) could be truly Z. If I tell you that I had a pager when I was younger, didn't get a cellphone (flip phone) until I was a teenager, and have parents born circa 1950's (my mom missed the 1950's by several months, but my dad was born in the early 50's), you probably won't know this is coming from a 99 born.

Woah, your parents had you very late. My mom was born in 1963 (also my father) and she had me when she was 36 and I consider that late. She had my sister in November 1983 (when she was 20), so my sister is 15+ years older than me.

Woah, your parents had you very late. My mom was born in 1963 (also my father) and she had me when she was 36 and I consider that late. She had my sister in November 1983 (when she was 20), so my sister is 15+ years older than me.


My cousins are mostly Gen Xers and early Millennials, most of which already past the "right age" to have kids. In fact, the age of having kids seems to have risen throughout history. It probably was late teens or early twenties when your grandparents had your parents. Even your dad seemed "past that perfect age", but no where near mine.

All of my aunts and uncles are Baby Boomers, except one that's a Silent (1932) and another that's a Gen Xer (1967).

Though sounds a little odd, I tend to see people born anytime between around 1943 and 1963 as being a 'parently' figure, and those born between around 1964 and 1985 as being more of a 'tutor' or 'older cousin' figure.

Here's my parents/grandparents chart

1925/1928|1918/1922 -> 1953/1960 -> 1999 (me)

I honestly have no idea what a Millennial even is anymore. Older folks now just lump in all young people as "Millennials" whenever they want to complain about "kids these days". I saw some dude on TV the other day complaining about how even elementary school kids have smartphones these days and the other guy just kind of scoffed and said, "Millennials, what do you expect?" I mean, these are like 2011-2006 babies being called "Millennials" now? :o

If you think that 1986-2005 definition of Millennials is bad, you should've seen this guy on our local television news several weeks ago. They were doing a segment about how marketers define various generations and he listed 1994-2009 as Millennial, 1977-1993 as "Generation Y", and 1964-1976 as Generation X. I wonder where they did their research on that one? :o


Oh my god! I'm still surprised people still think that Gen Y and Millennial are the same thing. And people wonder why I just don't bother with generations an year spans anymore.

Say, Dog, can you respond to the PM I sent you?


Are we sharing nudes?  :-X

Just kidding! People born in the late '90s are alright... I think. 1997ers aren't that much younger than me. 1998/1999 are still pretty young but I think the differences will reduce over time. :)

Millenials, 1983 to 2001??

I tend to say from 1982 to 2000. Relating the Millennial term with the Millennium year. But I can break it up as 1982-1994 with 1995-2000 being Y/Z with those from 1995 leaning more towards Y and 2000 leaning more towards Z and those in the middle leaning where they're closet to.

I tend to say from 1982 to 2000. Relating the Millennial term with the Millennium year. But I can break it up as 1982-1994 with 1995-2000 being Y/Z with those from 1995 leaning more towards Y and 2000 leaning more towards Z and those in the middle leaning where they're closet to.

So what about those born in 1999 like me?

What titles?


The thread titles in which the original poster put up.

The thread titles in which the original poster put up.

Huh? But, I'm the OP of this thread.

So what about those born in 1999 like me?


A Gen Y/Z Cusp with a slight more learn towards Z, but you're still not foreign to the Y mindset. It's like a 1995er. Lean more towards Y, but can fully understand the general Zer's mindset. Generations aren't black and white as there is a lot of holdovers and overlapping involved. Which is why I go with the idea of Generational cusps. They help explain the gray area of people who don't fit the average black and white groups that people only pay attention to.

A Gen Y/Z Cusp with a slight more learn towards Z, but you're still not foreign to the Y mindset. It's like a 1995er. Lean more towards Y, but can fully understand the general Zer's mindset. Generations aren't black and white as there is a lot of holdovers and overlapping involved. Which is why I go with the idea of Generational cusps. They help explain the gray area of people who don't fit the average black and white groups that people only pay attention to.

Personally, I would say I lean more Y because my mother was born in 1963 and my sister in 1983 and both of them heavily influenced me growing up. However, I do acknowledge that I have a bit of Z in me.

Personally, I would say I lean more Y because my mother was born in 1963 and my sister in 1983 and both of them heavily influenced me growing up. However, I do acknowledge that I have a bit of Z in me.


Well ultimately it depends on the person. In the end the rules for being a gen Y or Z or whatever tends to be slightly arbitrary. And in nearly all cases people can't decide on a general year span as people keep on changing the rules for what counts a millennial or plural person. It's gotten to the point where I look too deep into generations or have as many conversations about the topic. Whether a person is Y, Z, Alpha, X etc is really just dependent on that one person.

Well ultimately it depends on the person. In the end the rules for being a gen Y or Z or whatever tends to be slightly arbitrary. And in nearly all cases people can't decide on a general year span as people keep on changing the rules for what counts a millennial or plural person. It's gotten to the point where I look too deep into generations or have as many conversations about the topic. Whether a person is Y, Z, Alpha, X etc is really just dependent on that one person.

That is true.

Pardon the bump, but I think we should stop putting so much stock into the "generation" stuff.

It took me a while to realize this, but generations are a marketing gimmick where the marketers randomly select starting and ending dates by either pulling paper slips with years on them out of a hat, or by throwing darts at a dartboard of years.

For instance, the New York Times said Millennials were born between 1980 and 1995 in 2015. Then Gallup said Millennials were born between 1980 and 1996 in 2016. Then Jean Twenge did a study about how Millennials have less sex which said they were born between 1980 and 1994 later in 2016. Then Simon Sinek comes out with this viral video in 2017 where he claims Millennials were born in 1984(a year that I had previously NEVER heard of as the starting date for Millennials) and later. Then my local radio show told me Millennials were born between 1979 and 1995 a few weeks ago.

Face it, none of these "generational researchers" actually do "generation research". They just randomly select years to better sell their products to that demographic. If they were actual researchers, wouldn't there be a unified set of dates for Millennials rather than 35254835 different ones floating around?

Plus you've got a litany of millions of people born around 1980-1985 who feel more like Gen X than Millennials. So really, the whole generations thing is a big sloppy mess.

I think whoever made this thread should just lock it. Nobody really likes these kinds of topics anymore.

Sure, I just wanted to insert my witty dartboard remark.

Pardon the bump, but I think we should stop putting so much stock into the "generation" stuff.

It took me a while to realize this, but generations are a marketing gimmick where the marketers randomly select starting and ending dates by either pulling paper slips with years on them out of a hat, or by throwing darts at a dartboard of years.

For instance, the New York Times said Millennials were born between 1980 and 1995 in 2015. Then Gallup said Millennials were born between 1980 and 1996 in 2016. Then Jean Twenge did a study about how Millennials have less sex which said they were born between 1980 and 1994 later in 2016. Then Simon Sinek comes out with this viral video in 2017 where he claims Millennials were born in 1984(a year that I had previously NEVER heard of as the starting date for Millennials) and later. Then my local radio show told me Millennials were born between 1979 and 1995 a few weeks ago.

Face it, none of these "generational researchers" actually do "generation research". They just randomly select years to better sell their products to that demographic. If they were actual researchers, wouldn't there be a unified set of dates for Millennials rather than 35254835 different ones floating around?

Plus you've got a litany of millions of people born around 1980-1985 who feel more like Gen X than Millennials. So really, the whole generations thing is a big sloppy mess.

I actually agree with you. However, generations are supposed to be a big generalisation based on similar characteristics. Naturally, some people aren't going to fit some or all of those characteristics.

Pardon the bump, but I think we should stop putting so much stock into the "generation" stuff.

It took me a while to realize this, but generations are a marketing gimmick where the marketers randomly select starting and ending dates by either pulling paper slips with years on them out of a hat, or by throwing darts at a dartboard of years.

For instance, the New York Times said Millennials were born between 1980 and 1995 in 2015. Then Gallup said Millennials were born between 1980 and 1996 in 2016. Then Jean Twenge did a study about how Millennials have less sex which said they were born between 1980 and 1994 later in 2016. Then Simon Sinek comes out with this viral video in 2017 where he claims Millennials were born in 1984(a year that I had previously NEVER heard of as the starting date for Millennials) and later. Then my local radio show told me Millennials were born between 1979 and 1995 a few weeks ago.

Face it, none of these "generational researchers" actually do "generation research". They just randomly select years to better sell their products to that demographic. If they were actual researchers, wouldn't there be a unified set of dates for Millennials rather than 35254835 different ones floating around?

Plus you've got a litany of millions of people born around 1980-1985 who feel more like Gen X than Millennials. So really, the whole generations thing is a big sloppy mess.


Personally, as  a 1999er, I have always seen it in my eyes as being 1982-1996, few years give or take. However, my definition as well as theirs is not an exact definition.

1982 - first to graduate HS in a year beginning with 2.
1996 - last to have a 50% or higher of a chance of remembering 9/11.

Personally, as  a 1999er, I have always seen it in my eyes as being 1982-1996, few years give or take.

1982 - first to graduate HS in a year beginning with 2.
1996 - last to have a 50% or higher of a chance of remembering 9/11.

I agree, this definition makes a lot of sense. But again, most of the media  doesn't care about what generations really are, they just use sloppy random dates.

Make we should start a petition or email-bomb the media to fix Millennials to 1982-1996 and Gen X to 1965-1981. Then people will stop bitching and arguing.

>:(
I think whoever made this thread should just lock it. Nobody really likes these kinds of topics anymore.

I made this thread.

>:(I made this thread.


Oh. There's so many threads about this topic I didn't notice. It's okay if you don't lock it though.

Pardon the bump, but I think we should stop putting so much stock into the "generation" stuff.

It took me a while to realize this, but generations are a marketing gimmick where the marketers randomly select starting and ending dates by either pulling paper slips with years on them out of a hat, or by throwing darts at a dartboard of years.

For instance, the New York Times said Millennials were born between 1980 and 1995 in 2015. Then Gallup said Millennials were born between 1980 and 1996 in 2016. Then Jean Twenge did a study about how Millennials have less sex which said they were born between 1980 and 1994 later in 2016. Then Simon Sinek comes out with this viral video in 2017 where he claims Millennials were born in 1984(a year that I had previously NEVER heard of as the starting date for Millennials) and later. Then my local radio show told me Millennials were born between 1979 and 1995 a few weeks ago.

Face it, none of these "generational researchers" actually do "generation research". They just randomly select years to better sell their products to that demographic. If they were actual researchers, wouldn't there be a unified set of dates for Millennials rather than 35254835 different ones floating around?

Plus you've got a litany of millions of people born around 1980-1985 who feel more like Gen X than Millennials. So really, the whole generations thing is a big sloppy mess.
Not to burst your bubble, while I agree that generations are sometimes about marketing, we can say the same thing for everything else as well. There's always going to be something out there for some groups of people. I mean, look how some stores are targeted for women and there are some targeted for weirdos.


I actually agree with you. However, generations are supposed to be a big generalisation based on similar characteristics. Naturally, some people aren't going to fit some or all of those characteristics.
Same thing with everything else. If you think about it, we're all generalized from ethnicity, gender, religion, age, etc. regardless if we all fit the traits or not. It's really difficult to see people individually.

Same thing with everything else. If you think about it, we're all generalized from ethnicity, gender, religion, age, etc. regardless if we all fit the traits or not. It's really difficult to see people individually.

Yeah, that's the sad reality of life. We just have to accept it.

Yeah, that's the sad reality of life. We just have to accept it.
I know. I have tried to treat people on a individual basis, but I learned that it will never work; however, sometimes these groupings do work it comes to studies, and comparing the past to the present.

As for this topic, while I do see the Millennials ending around 2000, I doubt that it still stick with all the research shown. I mean, not only is 9/11 an event that Generation Z don't remember (except the older ones), they also don't recall a time before the Millennium. Celebrating Y2K was a huge thing around that time.

Pardon the bump, but I think we should stop putting so much stock into the "generation" stuff.
Plus you've got a litany of millions of people born around 1980-1985 who feel more like Gen X than Millennials. So really, the whole generations thing is a big sloppy mess.


I agree with the points you raised. Case in point, my Society & Culture teacher recently referred to me as being a Millennial, despite the fact that she was born in 1986. Theoretically, it would mean that we both belong to the same generation, which in my opinion, isn't true at all. Even if you do choose to follow the concept of generations, the boundaries are very messy and there will never be a definitive start and end to any particular generation.

As someone born in 1999, I have been viewed as being on the tail-end of the Millennials, in-between both the Millennials and Gen Z, as well as belonging solely to Gen Z. It's ridiculous. When it comes to generations, I personally just go by the people who would be in my age group. I consider people born between 1995/96-2001 to be my "age group", so to speak.

I consider people born between 1995/96-2001 to be my "age group", so to speak.

I'm a bit iffy about the 2001 part but otherwise I agree as a fellow person born in 1999.

I'm a bit iffy about the 2001 part but otherwise I agree as a fellow person born in 1999.


I used to be, but now that they are turning 16 this year and have grown up quite a bit, i'm willing to accept them as being apart of my age group. Admittedly, I do have two friends who were born in 2001, and although there are quite a few noticeable differences, I can also relate with them on some things as well.

Anecdotal, but I'm noticing much more people born around 1995-1999 identifying as Gen Z recently.

There have been a slew of articles about how Gen Z is more conservative than Millennials; since being conservative is "cool" and "hip" right now (it's true no matter how much hardcore liberals deny it. Milo Yiannopolous, Paul Joseph Watson, and others haven't suddenly sprung up in popularity for no reason), it would be logical that more people born on the cusp of Millennials and  Gen Z would identify with the conservative cool kids rather than the "triggered" lame-o kids.

I've even heard 95-99ers say the litmus test for them is "The more conservative you are, the more Gen Z you are" and "The more liberal you are, the more Millennial you are." Lol.

And whenever an article saying Gen Z is conservative defines them as born after 2000, there's guaranteed to be 95-99ers in the comments clamoring "I'm Gen Z! I wanna be in the club too!"

Anecdotal, but I'm noticing much more people born around 1995-1999 identifying as Gen Z recently.

There have been a slew of articles about how Gen Z is more conservative than Millennials; since being conservative is "cool" and "hip" right now (it's true no matter how much hardcore liberals deny it. Milo Yiannopolous, Paul Joseph Watson, and others haven't suddenly sprung up in popularity for no reason), it would be logical that more people born on the cusp of Millennials and  Gen Z would identify with the conservative cool kids rather than the "triggered" lame-o kids.

I've even heard 95-99ers say the litmus test for them is "The more conservative you are, the more Gen Z you are" and "The more liberal you are, the more Millennial you are." Lol.

Well, I'm definetly NOT a conservative, very much liberal but even I'm annoyed by most SJWs and some liberals who get offended by some really significant things. I don't know if this makes me more millennial. To be honest, if you were born from 1995-1999....you're really just an anomaly when it comes to "generationism". I don't see myself as either fully Gen Y or Gen Z.

Anecdotal, but I'm noticing much more people born around 1995-1999 identifying as Gen Z recently.

There have been a slew of articles about how Gen Z is more conservative than Millennials; since being conservative is "cool" and "hip" right now (it's true no matter how much hardcore liberals deny it. Milo Yiannopolous, Paul Joseph Watson, and others haven't suddenly sprung up in popularity for no reason), it would be logical that more people born on the cusp of Millennials and  Gen Z would identify with the conservative cool kids rather than the "triggered" lame-o kids.

I've even heard 95-99ers say the litmus test for them is "The more conservative you are, the more Gen Z you are" and "The more liberal you are, the more Millennial you are." Lol.
That article about the Zeds being conservative was from the UK which means it's actually unknown what political views this generation goes by here in this country. However, with all these changes that have took place, they could be liberials unless Trump does a great as president.

Oh, and most Millennials aren't liberials, but maybe more like libertarian.

That article about the Zeds being conservative was from the UK which means it's actually unknown what political views this generation goes by here in this country. However, with all these changes that have took place, they could be liberials unless Trump does a great as president.

Oh, and most Millennials aren't liberials, but maybe more like libertarian.


Like I said before, being a conservative, liberal, democrat, republican, independent, Christian, atheist, etc. has nothing to do with generations. Someone's beliefs depends on their family backgrounds or how they were influenced growing up, which I don't think has anything to do with age. Unless it's social media, TV or technology that's influenced newer generations' perspectives on things compared to the old generations who didn't have outlets like us. That's the only big difference I see.

Here's my new five-year-cohort rule, as inspired by Jordan.

1982-1986 = X-treme, awesome, skater punk Elder Millennials
1987-1991 = Whiny emo Hot Topic Younger Millennials
1992-1995/6 = Whiny social justice victim-complex Youngest Millennials


1982-1986: Bubblegum Pop Millennials
1987-1991: Emo Millennials
1992-1996: Electropop and Scene Millennials

However, my Z splits could get a little messy.

1997-2000: Hipster Zeds
2001-2006: Musical.ly Zeds
2007-2012: Unnamed Zeds

And whenever an article saying Gen Z is conservative defines them as born after 2000, there's guaranteed to be 95-99ers in the comments clamoring "I'm Gen Z! I wanna be in the club too!"


After 2000 could mean either 2000 and later or 2001 and later. It seems so ambiguous when people say stuff like this, no offense.

However, my Z splits could get a little messy.

1997-2000: Hipster Zeds
2001-2006: Musical.ly Zeds
2007-2012: Unnamed Zeds


I don't think people born between 1997-2000 are known for following the Hipster trend or being in the target demographic. From what I've seen, most hipsters tend to be in their 20s-early 30s.

Here's my new five-year-cohort rule, as inspired by Jordan.

1982-1986 = X-treme, awesome, skater punk Elder Millennials
1987-1991 = Whiny emo Hot Topic Younger Millennials
1992-1995/6 = Whiny social justice victim-complex Youngest Millennials

As I am part of the "elder" millennial group (I think all the millennials born in the 80s aren't considered, as you put it, "elder" because they are) I will have thoes X-treme skater punks shooed at hot topic as well. Actually the ones to have made that store popular

Nope, sorry, Jordan said 1982-1986 were the Elder Millennials. Strauss and Howe also referred to this specific cohort in their books.

Jordan is the arbiter of good taste; you can't be an Elder Millennial if you were born in the late 80s. ;) Them's how the chips fall.

Nope, sorry, Jordan said 1982-1986 were the Elder Millennials. Strauss and Howe also referred to this specific cohort in their books.

Jordan is the arbiter of good taste; you can't be an Elder Millennial if you were born in the late 80s. ;) Them's how the chips fall.

I never seen Strauss and Howe refer to the cohort like that and and I've read alot about it.

All hail Jordan👐 the man the myth the legend. But it still means the elder millennials have an 80s birthday. Their at the tail end of their 20s and into their 30s. The youngest 90s millennial is bearly in their 20s, unless you take it all the to the end of the decade then the youngest is still in high school.

In their book, Strauss and Howe referred to those born from 1982 to 1986 as "First-wave Millennials".

In their book, Strauss and Howe referred to those born from 1982 to 1986 as "First-wave Millennials".

Yeah "First wave" not elder( that's sounds like they should be applying for AARP or something). I've always broke it down by they're standard. But at this point you have to put the 80s born millennials and 90s born millennials in their own separate category. Since they entered adulthood the differences between the two show.

Oh dear....what have I started. This is definetly not what I wanted and especially when I wasn't talking about people born 1982-1996. I'm pretty sure I said 1997-2000  :(.

Oh dear....what have I started. This is definetly not what I wanted and especially when I wasn't talking about people born 1982-1996. I pretty sure I said 1997-2000  :(.

Reign man I think this thread moved from its original topic a long time ago  :)

Nope, sorry, Jordan said 1982-1986 were the Elder Millennials. Strauss and Howe also referred to this specific cohort in their books.

Jordan is the arbiter of good taste; you can't be an Elder Millennial if you were born in the late 80s. ;) Them's how the chips fall.


Far be it for me to further sidetrack the topic but...

I think who qualifies as an "Elder Millennial" depends entirely on how long the generation lasts. If the last Gen Y year is 1994 or 1995 then late '80s babies would be "Peak" Millennials, but, if the last Gen Y year is 1999 or 2000, then late '80s babies would be in the "Early Millennial" cohort.

Oh dear....what have I started. This is definetly not what I wanted and especially when I wasn't talking about people born 1982-1996. I'm pretty sure I said 1997-2000  :(.


Well, most people here (especially Zelek3, JordanK1982, and Looney Toon) are more into the Y2K era and early 2000s Gen Y culture. So it's probably no wonder why it's drifted that way.

Well, most people here (especially Zelek3, JordanK1982, and Looney Toon) are more into the Y2K era and early 2000s Gen Y culture. So it's probably no wonder why it's drifted that way.

Yeah, you're right.

So I found these articles a week ago about a new term called the GenZennials (So unoriginal), and it places people between the Y/Z cusp. What do you all think?

https://www.ketchum.com/news/ketchum-introduces-genzennial-influential-blend-two-generations

http://www.holmesreport.com/research/article/new-research-points-to-%27genzennials%27-as-next-generation-of-shoppers


Like I said before, being a conservative, liberal, democrat, republican, independent, Christian, atheist, etc. has nothing to do with generations. Someone's beliefs depends on their family backgrounds or how they were influenced growing up, which I don't think has anything to do with age. Unless it's social media, TV or technology that's influenced newer generations' perspectives on things compared to the old generations who didn't have outlets like us. That's the only big difference I see.
Well it does. I actually found two articles explaining this sometime ago.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2014/07/09/the-politics-of-american-generations-how-age-affects-attitudes-and-voting-behavior/

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/07/08/upshot/how-the-year-you-were-born-influences-your-politics.html?_r=0

However, for the NYtimes ones, it's only about Caucasians. It's still a good one though.


Far be it for me to further sidetrack the topic but...

I think who qualifies as an "Elder Millennial" depends entirely on how long the generation lasts. If the last Gen Y year is 1994 or 1995 then late '80s babies would be "Peak" Millennials, but, if the last Gen Y year is 1999 or 2000, then late '80s babies would be in the "Early Millennial" cohort.
I have a feeling it will end in 1994/95 and not 2000 as before despite my opinion that it should end at the latter year. I mean for one, the 2000 folks don't remember 9/11, Columbine, turn of the millennium, a time before the Iraq War, Web 2.0, and maybe even the recession. Millennials can recall all those events.

So I found these articles a week ago about a new term called the GenZennials (So unoriginal), and it places people between the Y/Z cusp. What do you all think?

https://www.ketchum.com/news/ketchum-introduces-genzennial-influential-blend-two-generations

http://www.holmesreport.com/research/article/new-research-points-to-%27genzennials%27-as-next-generation-of-shoppers
Well it does. I actually found two articles explaining this sometime ago.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2014/07/09/the-politics-of-american-generations-how-age-affects-attitudes-and-voting-behavior/

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/07/08/upshot/how-the-year-you-were-born-influences-your-politics.html?_r=0

However, for the NYtimes ones, it's only about Caucasians. It's still a good one though.
I have a feeling it will end in 1994/95 and not 2000 as before despite my opinion that it should end at the latter year. I mean for one, the 2000 folks don't remember 9/11, Columbine, turn of the millennium, a time before the Iraq War, Web 2.0, and maybe even the recession. Millennials can recall all those events.

But that's not how generations work.

But that's not how generations work.
Well events are one part. Other features are demographics, and misc.

So I found these articles a week ago about a new term called the GenZennials (So unoriginal), and it places people between the Y/Z cusp. What do you all think?

https://www.ketchum.com/news/ketchum-introduces-genzennial-influential-blend-two-generations

I like it.

So I found these articles a week ago about a new term called the GenZennials (So unoriginal), and it places people between the Y/Z cusp. What do you all think?

https://www.ketchum.com/news/ketchum-introduces-genzennial-influential-blend-two-generations



I like it.

Hell yeah, I like it as well.

I like it.



Hell yeah, I like it as well.
Do you both like the name they came up with?

Do you both like the name they came up with?

I do.

I do.
I hope they change it to something better. It just seems bland.

Do you both like the name they came up with?


The fact that there starting to acknowledge that theres a cusp between Millennials & Gen Z is good enough for me. Maybe we'll be as cool as Generation Catalano

You know what's funny there are a few kids born in October-December 1998 in my class but also 2 that were born before September 1998. One boy was born in August 1998 (but he got left back once) and one girl born on January 10, 1998, I don't know how she's in our graduating class. She should of graduated last year (2016), maybe she got left back, IDK.


Similar situation with me, I was born January 12, 1999, but I'm a part of the class of 2018, because I started Kindergarten in the 2005-06 school year. Just a late start was all, wasn't my choice.

1997-2000 people, I wouldn't say they're millennials, that's for sure. We don't remember 9/11, Columbine, Election 2000, etc.

In regards to that "Genzennials" article, i'm glad that researchers and social analysts are finally starting to acknowledge the Mid/Late 90s cohort as being 'in-between' both the Millennials and Generation Z. I can't speak for other Mid/Late 90s babies, but I personally don't relate or identify with most of the characteristics of Millennials or Gen Z. Millennials are generally regarded as those born in the 80s & Early 90s, but most of them are close to or over 10 years older than me. They experienced their childhoods in the 90s and were adolescents/young adults during the 2000s; I was only 10 months old at the start of the 2000s. :P Logic alone would suggest that I couldn't possibly belong to the same generation as those born in the 80s/Early 90s, nor those born in the Mid/Late 2000s.

In regards to that "Genzennials" article, i'm glad that researchers and social analysts are finally starting to acknowledge the Mid/Late 90s cohort as being 'in-between' both the Millennials and Generation Z. I can't speak for other Mid/Late 90s babies, but I personally don't relate or identify with most of the characteristics of Millennials or Gen Z. Millennials are generally regarded as those born in the 80s & Early 90s, but most of them are close to or over 10 years older than me. They experienced their childhoods in the 90s and were adolescents/young adults during the 2000s; I was only 10 months old at the start of the 2000s. :P Logic alone would suggest that I couldn't possibly belong to the same generation as those born in the 80s/Early 90s, nor those born in the Mid/Late 2000s.


I can understand why late '90s babies such as yourself would feel like you don't relate that well with core Millennials given the age difference, but that does not necessarily mean that you might not qualify as being right on the back edge of the generation. Remember, the Baby Boomer generation is usually said to last from 1946-1964, and there's no way that a 1964 baby would have really anything in common with core Boomers, who grew up in the 1950's, and lived through the civil rights marches, the campus protests and the Vietnam War draft in the 1960's.

Having said that, I do agree with this article. To me, 18-20 year generations are just way too long, especially with how rapid pop culture changes these days. I certainly disagree with those who try to extend Gen Y all the way up to 2001 or 2002. I mean, if don't at least have some clear memories of the early '00s, then I don't see how you can be a Millennial.

Similar situation with me, I was born January 12, 1999, but I'm a part of the class of 2018, because I started Kindergarten in the 2005-06 school year. Just a late start was all, wasn't my choice.

1997-2000 people, I wouldn't say they're millennials, that's for sure. We don't remember 9/11, Columbine, Election 2000, etc.

That sucks to me  :P. You was born 6 months and 1 day before me. You should be in the same class as me. Well, whatevs. Personally, I feel those of us who were born 1995-2000 are a mix of both Gen Y (Millennial) and Gen Z.

Having said that, I do agree with this article. To me, 18-20 year generations are just way too long, especially with how rapid pop culture changes these days. I certainly disagree with those who try to extend Gen Y all the way up to 2001 or 2002. I mean, if don't at least have some clear memories of the early '00s, then I don't see how you can be a Millennial.


I agree with the points you raised. To be fair, someone my age would only just fit into the Millennial boundaries, in my opinion. I can vividly remember 2003, however my memories of 2001 and 2002 are relatively vague. As 99'er Baby pointed out, late '90s babies can't remember significant Millennial events, such as 9/11, Columbine or the Y2K hysteria. Ideally, we really shouldn't be grouped with Millennials who genuinely can remember those events, but if that were the case, then the Baby Boomers generation would be a lot shorter as well. IMO, apart from the changes in pop culture and technology, I believe the only reason why late '90s babies are viewed as being on the back edge of the Millennials, is because we happened to be born at the end of the 90s and before the start of the 21st Century. I understand that it rounds off the generation a lot better, but it doesn't necessarily constitute the traits and values late '90s babies have. The 1995-2000 cohort genuinely are "in-between" both generations.


Similar situation with me, I was born January 12, 1999, but I'm a part of the class of 2018, because I started Kindergarten in the 2005-06 school year. Just a late start was all, wasn't my choice.


You're in a similar situation to me. I was supposed to start Primary (elementary) school in late January 2004, roughly a month before I turned 5. However, my parents held me back from starting primary school (as admittedly, I had speech difficulties), so I started in late January 2005 instead and as a result, i'm in the Class of 2017. It wasn't my choice either.

I can understand why late '90s babies such as yourself would feel like you don't relate that well with core Millennials given the age difference, but that does not necessarily mean that you might not qualify as being right on the back edge of the generation. Remember, the Baby Boomer generation is usually said to last from 1946-1964, and there's no way that a 1964 baby would have really anything in common with core Boomers, who grew up in the 1950's, and lived through the civil rights marches, the campus protests and the Vietnam War draft in the 1960's.

Having said that, I do agree with this article. To me, 18-20 year generations are just way too long, especially with how rapid pop culture changes these days. I certainly disagree with those who try to extend Gen Y all the way up to 2001 or 2002. I mean, if don't at least have some clear memories of the early '00s, then I don't see how you can be a Millennial.


I think the 2008 crash was more influential than the early 2000s.

You're in a similar situation to me. I was supposed to start Primary (elementary) school in late January 2004, roughly a month before I turned 5. However, my parents held me back from starting primary school (as admittedly, I had speech difficulties), so I started in late January 2005 instead and as a result, i'm in the Class of 2017. It wasn't my choice either.


Oh, so in Australia, do you guys finish school usually at age 16 or 17? It's usually 17 or 18 here in US, I'll be 19 though.

Also, how do you feel about starting a year later? Does it bother you? Personally, it's always kind of bothered me, but I guess I'm okay with it.

Oh, so in Australia, do you guys finish school usually at age 16 or 17? It's usually 17 or 18 here in US, I'll be 19 though.

Also, how do you feel about starting a year later? Does it bother you? Personally, it's always kind of bothered me, but I guess I'm okay with it.

Based on what I've researched about Australia.....12th Grade in the USA is pretty much the same as Year 12 in Australia. Also, I heard that in Year 12 in Australia, most students are ages 17 and 18 and refer to Year 12 as "Senior Year" in The Land of Down Under. So, yeah....it's pretty much the same.

I was born in October 1999 yet I am a junior.... is that unusal?

And I believe 1997-2000 is Y/Z Cusp IMHO.

I was born in October 1999 yet I am a junior.... is that unusal?

And I believe 1997-2000 is Y/Z Cusp IMHO.


I wouldn't say so, when I was public schooled, most people in my class were born in late 1999 up to mid 2000. My best friend during those years was born in September 1999. It is strange for me being a junior born in January 1999 though.

I wouldn't say so, when I was public schooled, most people in my class were born in late 1999 up to mid 2000. My best friend during those years was born in September 1999. It is strange for me being a junior born in January 1999 though.

I was born in July 1999 and I'm apart of the Class of 2017. A person born in January 1999 being in the Class of 2018 is definetly weird. However, a person born in October 1999 being in the Class of 2018 is NOT weird.

I wouldn't say so, when I was public schooled, most people in my class were born in late 1999 up to mid 2000. My best friend during those years was born in September 1999. It is strange for me being a junior born in January 1999 though.

Yeah that is quite unusual!

I started kindergarten on August 29th, 2005... right when Katrina made landfall.... and I stayed up ALL NIGHT watching it so I was soooo tired lol. :D
(Pictured below then... I am the one with glasses... my twin brother is to my right.)
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The first real memory of a news event I have was probably either the Iraq War or Hurricane Charley in August '04.

9/11... all I remember is being in my highchair in the kitchen,.... looking at the 14 inch tv in our kitchen and seeing two towers burning from the NY Harbor... literally all I remember from that time.

Yeah that is quite unusual!

I started kindergarten on August 29th, 2005... right when Katrina made landfall.... and I stayed up ALL NIGHT watching it so I was soooo tired lol. :D
(Pictured below then... I am the one with glasses... my twin brother is to my right.)
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The first real memory of a news event I have was probably either the Iraq War or Hurricane Charley in August '04.

9/11... all I remember is being in my highchair in the kitchen,.... looking at the 14 inch tv in our kitchen and seeing two towers burning from the NY Harbor... literally all I remember from that time.

Wait, you was born 3 months after me and can remember 9/11 but I can't?  :o :o :o.

Yeah that is quite unusual!

I started kindergarten on August 29th, 2005... right when Katrina made landfall.... and I stayed up ALL NIGHT watching it so I was soooo tired lol. :D
(Pictured below then... I am the one with glasses... my twin brother is to my right.)
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The first real memory of a news event I have was probably either the Iraq War or Hurricane Charley in August '04.

9/11... all I remember is being in my highchair in the kitchen,.... looking at the 14 inch tv in our kitchen and seeing two towers burning from the NY Harbor... literally all I remember from that time.


My parents (mom, really) have kind of sheltered me throughout my life, so the first news event I paid attention to was Hurricane Katrina, because that's when a group of people that lost their home to it came to our town, and we tried helping them out. They had one kid named Darin who was 7 at the time, I think, he was the one who hung out with me, we played a lot of Xbox. ;D

Although I wouldn't remember it if we never met that family.

Also, you remember 9/11?! Wow, I can't recall anything about it, and I'm nine months older than you.

My parents (mom, really) have kind of sheltered me throughout my life, so the first news event I paid attention to was Hurricane Katrina, because that's when a group of people that lost their home to it came to our town, and we tried helping them out. They had one kid named Darin who was 7 at the time, I think, he was the one who hung out with me, we played a lot of Xbox. ;D

Although I wouldn't remember it if we never met that family.

Also, you remember 9/11?! Wow, I can't recall anything about it, and I'm ten months older than you.

Two points....
1. You're talking about the original Xbox right?
2. Exactly, we were born months before him and we can't remember 9/11 but he can......???

Two points....
1. You're talking about the original Xbox right?
2. Exactly, we were born months before him and we can't remember 9/11 but he can......???


Wait, you was born 3 months after me and can remember 9/11 but I can't?  :o :o :o.

I know I know.... :)

Thats the only memory I have of that day. Because I have autism I have like an insanely clear memory. My first memory was probably late 2000 - early 2001 driving to and from speech therapy.

Two points....
1. You're talking about the original Xbox right?
2. Exactly, we were born months before him and we can't remember 9/11 but he can......???


1. Yep, original Xbox.

2. Well, some people can remember things from that age, it's just I personally have no memories that I know from age 1. My first memory I'm positive on when it was was in 2001 when I went on a trip to Colorado. I also have a vague memory that I'm not for sure when it was from, but it was probably 2000, because my brother was a baby.

I know I know.... :)

Thats the only memory I have of that day. Because I have autism I have like an insanely clear memory. My first memory was probably late 2000 - early 2001 driving to and from speech therapy.

Wow, you that's incredible. There's another user on here called SharksFan99 (he's from Australia and was born in March 1999), he can remember 9/11 and just like you he has a vague memory of late 2000....however, he doesn't have autism.

Wow, you that's incredible. There's another user on here called SharksFan99 (he's from Australia and was born in March 1999), he can remember 9/11 and just like you he has a vague memory of late 2000....however, he doesn't have autism.

Interesting! Kinda cool he has a good memory as well!

1. Yep, original Xbox.

2. Well, some people can remember things from that age, it's just I personally have no memories that I know from age 1. My first memory I'm positive on when it was was in 2001 when I went on a trip to Colorado. I also have a vague memory that I'm not for sure when it was from, but it was probably 2000, because my brother was a baby.

Yeah, at least I am not alone in having vague memories! :D

Interesting! Kinda cool he has a good memory as well!Yeah, at least I am not alone in having vague memories! :D

I do as well. I can remember a few things from 2001 but nothing before that.

1. Yep, original Xbox.

2. Well, some people can remember things from that age, it's just I personally have no memories that I know from age 1. My first memory I'm positive on when it was was in 2001 when I went on a trip to Colorado. I also have a vague memory that I'm not for sure when it was from, but it was probably 2000, because my brother was a baby.

Yeah, cool and I have some vague memories of 2001 also.

Yeah, cool and I have some vague memories of 2001 also.


Yeah, I love original Xbox, still play it to this day! :D

Did you ever play it? (I know I'm going off topic, I'm just curious)

Yeah, I love original Xbox, still play it to this day! :D

Did you ever play it? (I know I'm going off topic, I'm just curious)

Yes but not a lot as I played my PS2 much more.

Yes but not a lot as I played my PS2 much more.


Oh, okay, yeah, the PS2 was the biggest console of the 6th gen (of all time in terms of sales). I played it, but didn't own one.

Oh, okay, yeah, the PS2 was the biggest console of the 6th gen (of all time in terms of sales). I played it, but didn't own one.

Ah I see. Funnily enough, I have an Xbox One but not a PS4 (never played one). I also have an Xbox 360 but not PS3 (played with one but didn't own it). I'm not into the PlayStation vs Xbox console wars...I like both but have gravitated towards Xbox the past 2 generations :P.

Ah I see. Funnily enough, I have an Xbox One but not a PS4 (never played one). I also have an Xbox 360 but not PS3 (played with one but didn't own it). I'm not into the PlayStation vs Xbox console wars...I like both but have gravitated towards Xbox the past 2 generations :P.


I like both as well, not into console wars either, but went with Xbox One due to making friends on 360 I wanted to keep, and familiarity. Also have a gaming PC. :)

I like both as well, not into console wars either, but went with Xbox One due to making friends on 360 I wanted to keep, and familiarity. Also have a gaming PC. :)

Awesome  :).

1995 is definitely NOT the start of generation Z...

The average age for a first memory, from what I read in the comments over the years, is from age 2 to 4.

I often wonder you guys/girls who have their first memories before age 2 and 1/2 have high IQs, or something. Probably a sign of future intelligence when you're young.

Interesting! Kinda cool he has a good memory as well!Yeah, at least I am not alone in having vague memories! :D


It's interesting to hear that you can remember something from Late 2000, especially considering the fact that you were born in October 1999!


Oh, so in Australia, do you guys finish school usually at age 16 or 17? It's usually 17 or 18 here in US, I'll be 19 though.

Also, how do you feel about starting a year later? Does it bother you? Personally, it's always kind of bothered me, but I guess I'm okay with it.


We finish at ages 17 and 18 as well, but if someone has repeated a grade or started school late, it's possible for someone to finish at age 19 as well. I personally have a friend who will finish school a few weeks before he turns 20. He was born in November 1998 and started school in late January 2004, however he repeated Year 5 and he is currently repeating Year 11. Last year, he was in my year group, but now he is in the Class of 2018!  :o

It does bother me sometimes, because I am one of the oldest in my year group and i'm actually older than some of the people who were in the Class of 2016. Not only that, but I have a cousin who is only 2 and a half weeks older than me and she was in the Class of 2016, meaning that she's no longer at school and I still am. Basically, my year group is the equivalent of the Class of 2018 in the US. Most of the people in my year group are around the same age as TheKid99, ReignMan and NewYorkRaven; they were born between Mid 1999-Early 2000. Those of us who were born in Early 1999 in my year group, either started school late or repeated a grade. There are actually three people born in 1998 in my year group as well.

The way I look at it, if I had of been in the Class of 2016, I never would have become friends with the people I am friends with. At the end of the day, my parents made the right decision to keep me in pre-school for another year. My speech was pretty bad at the time. People who didn't know me well couldn't really understand what I was saying, which used to really frustrate me. That's the only reason why I was held back from starting primary school. I don't have autism or any disability, it's just that I had difficulties trying to speak clearly, for whatever reason. My speech has been good for a long time now though, although I am admittedly still self-conscious of it sometimes.


Based on what I've researched about Australia.....12th Grade in the USA is pretty much the same as Year 12 in Australia. Also, I heard that in Year 12 in Australia, most students are ages 17 and 18 and refer to Year 12 as "Senior Year" in The Land of Down Under. So, yeah....it's pretty much the same.


Yep, that's right. :) 12th Grade is either referred to as our "senior year" or simply just "Year 12". The only major difference, apart from the fact that we have to wear uniforms, is that our school year starts in late January and finishes in mid-December.

It's interesting to hear that you can remember something from Late 2000, especially considering the fact that you were born in October 1999!

We finish at ages 17 and 18 as well, but if someone has repeated a grade or started school late, it's possible for someone to finish at age 19 as well. I personally have a friend who will finish school a few weeks before he turns 20. He was born in November 1998 and started school in late January 2004, however he repeated Year 5 and he is currently repeating Year 11. Last year, he was in my year group, but now he is in the Class of 2018!  :o

It does bother me sometimes, because I am one of the oldest in my year group and i'm actually older than some of the people who were in the Class of 2016. Not only that, but I have a cousin who is only 2 and a half weeks older than me and she was in the Class of 2016, meaning that she's no longer at school and I still am. Basically, my year group is the equivalent of the Class of 2018 in the US. Most of the people in my year group are around the same age as TheKid99, ReignMan and NewYorkRaven; they were born between Mid 1999-Early 2000. Those of us who were born in Early 1999 in my year group, either started school late or repeated a grade. There are actually three people born in 1998 in my year group as well.

The way I look at it, if I had of been in the Class of 2016, I never would have become friends with the people I am friends with. At the end of the day, my parents made the right decision to keep me in pre-school for another year. My speech was pretty bad at the time. People who didn't know me well couldn't really understand what I was saying, which used to really frustrate me. That's the only reason why I was held back from starting primary school. I don't have autism or any disability, it's just that I had difficulties trying to speak clearly, for whatever reason. My speech has been good for a long time now though, although I am admittedly still self-conscious of it sometimes.

Yep, that's right. :) 12th Grade is either referred to as our "senior year" or simply just "Year 12". The only major difference, apart from the fact that we have to wear uniforms, is that our school year starts in late January and finishes in mid-December.


Wow, thank you for the detailed response! :)

I guess when I said late 1999 to mid 2000 for when I was in school, it was more mid 1999 to early 2000, but we had a couple people from mid 2000. You have similar reasons to me, I have a cousin who is five months younger than me, and she's graduating in May, and I don't graduate until next May. The main reason it bothers me now (homeschooled so I don't have some reasons I used to such as being one of the oldest in my grade) is that most people I tell assume I flunked a year.

Yeah, I'm content with my parents' decision, but the reasoning was very different. My mom was simply scared to send me to school, because she was protective, so she taught me some things at home for a year (nearly like pre school, but at home), and then sent me to school.

It's interesting to hear that you can remember something from Late 2000, especially considering the fact that you were born in October 1999!

We finish at ages 17 and 18 as well, but if someone has repeated a grade or started school late, it's possible for someone to finish at age 19 as well. I personally have a friend who will finish school a few weeks before he turns 20. He was born in November 1998 and started school in late January 2004, however he repeated Year 5 and he is currently repeating Year 11. Last year, he was in my year group, but now he is in the Class of 2018!  :o

It does bother me sometimes, because I am one of the oldest in my year group and i'm actually older than some of the people who were in the Class of 2016. Not only that, but I have a cousin who is only 2 and a half weeks older than me and she was in the Class of 2016, meaning that she's no longer at school and I still am. Basically, my year group is the equivalent of the Class of 2018 in the US. Most of the people in my year group are around the same age as TheKid99, ReignMan and NewYorkRaven; they were born between Mid 1999-Early 2000. Those of us who were born in Early 1999 in my year group, either started school late or repeated a grade. There are actually three people born in 1998 in my year group as well.

The way I look at it, if I had of been in the Class of 2016, I never would have become friends with the people I am friends with. At the end of the day, my parents made the right decision to keep me in pre-school for another year. My speech was pretty bad at the time. People who didn't know me well couldn't really understand what I was saying, which used to really frustrate me. That's the only reason why I was held back from starting primary school. I don't have autism or any disability, it's just that I had difficulties trying to speak clearly, for whatever reason. My speech has been good for a long time now though, although I am admittedly still self-conscious of it sometimes.

Yep, that's right. :) 12th Grade is either referred to as our "senior year" or simply just "Year 12". The only major difference, apart from the fact that we have to wear uniforms, is that our school year starts in late January and finishes in mid-December.

Yeah it is pretty interesting! :)

I go to an all male catholic high school, and we have to wear uniforms as well... ://

Kinda sucks

Our school year runs from Late August to VERY early June.

I think you probably had some developmental delays... not a disability... but a delay.

Persuasive Development Disorder?

I wouldnt be one to ask though....

And dont worry... I couldnt speak until I was almost 4 and look how I turned out lol...

Late 1999 - Late 2000 is my grade.

It's interesting to hear that you can remember something from Late 2000, especially considering the fact that you were born in October 1999!

We finish at ages 17 and 18 as well, but if someone has repeated a grade or started school late, it's possible for someone to finish at age 19 as well. I personally have a friend who will finish school a few weeks before he turns 20. He was born in November 1998 and started school in late January 2004, however he repeated Year 5 and he is currently repeating Year 11. Last year, he was in my year group, but now he is in the Class of 2018!  :o

It does bother me sometimes, because I am one of the oldest in my year group and i'm actually older than some of the people who were in the Class of 2016. Not only that, but I have a cousin who is only 2 and a half weeks older than me and she was in the Class of 2016, meaning that she's no longer at school and I still am. Basically, my year group is the equivalent of the Class of 2018 in the US. Most of the people in my year group are around the same age as TheKid99, ReignMan and NewYorkRaven; they were born between Mid 1999-Early 2000. Those of us who were born in Early 1999 in my year group, either started school late or repeated a grade. There are actually three people born in 1998 in my year group as well.

The way I look at it, if I had of been in the Class of 2016, I never would have become friends with the people I am friends with. At the end of the day, my parents made the right decision to keep me in pre-school for another year. My speech was pretty bad at the time. People who didn't know me well couldn't really understand what I was saying, which used to really frustrate me. That's the only reason why I was held back from starting primary school. I don't have autism or any disability, it's just that I had difficulties trying to speak clearly, for whatever reason. My speech has been good for a long time now though, although I am admittedly still self-conscious of it sometimes.

Yep, that's right. :) 12th Grade is either referred to as our "senior year" or simply just "Year 12". The only major difference, apart from the fact that we have to wear uniforms, is that our school year starts in late January and finishes in mid-December.

We have the same thing here in the US. It's called getting left back or laid back and that means you failed the grade and have to repeat the year. One of my friends who was born in August 1998 failed I believe 2nd grade and thus he was left back and instead of graduating HS last year....he's with us September 1998-August 1999 borns graduating this year (Class of 2017, FTW).

2. Well, some people can remember things from that age, it's just I personally have no memories that I know from age 1. My first memory I'm positive on when it was was in 2001 when I went on a trip to Colorado. I also have a vague memory that I'm not for sure when it was from, but it was probably 2000, because my brother was a baby.


It is certainly possible to remember things from that age. I have what I believe are vague memories from Christmas 1988, when I was 1-and-a-half. I know I can remember Christmas 1989 because we had a slight snow that year so it stands out. I also have a memory of riding in the back of my mom's car sometime in the summer of 1989, perhaps just before I turned 2. My younger brother (who was born in 1991) also says that he can remember the Storm of the Century hitting us in March 1993, when he was still two months short of his 2nd birthday.

It is certainly possible to remember things from that age. I have what I believe are vague memories from Christmas 1988, when I was 1-and-a-half. I know I can remember Christmas 1989 because we had a slight snow that year so it stands out. I also have a memory of riding in the back of my mom's car sometime in the summer of 1989, perhaps just before I turned 2. My younger brother (who was born in 1991) also says that he can remember the Storm of the Century hitting us in March 1993, when he was still two months short of his 2nd birthday.


Yeah, I know it is, just is uncommon.

I have one memory I'm pretty sure is from 2000 (when I was 1), but I can't confirm it. We were on a pontoon boat and my brother was a baby (he was born in 2000), I remember my grandpa was really white which was weird (I've come to the conclusion it was a lot of sunscreen), and I remember my aunt holding me on the front of the boat.

Wow, thank you for the detailed response! :)

I guess when I said late 1999 to mid 2000 for when I was in school, it was more mid 1999 to early 2000, but we had a couple people from mid 2000. You have similar reasons to me, I have a cousin who is five months younger than me, and she's graduating in May, and I don't graduate until next May. The main reason it bothers me now (homeschooled so I don't have some reasons I used to such as being one of the oldest in my grade) is that most people I tell assume I flunked a year.

Yeah, I'm content with my parents' decision, but the reasoning was very different. My mom was simply scared to send me to school, because she was protective, so she taught me some things at home for a year (nearly like pre school, but at home), and then sent me to school.


You're welcome. :)

Thanks for sharing your experience in regards to being home-schooled and starting school. I personally don't know anyone who has ever been home-schooled, but I can only imagine how much of a different experience it would be. It's interesting to hear that your Mum was scared to send you to school and decided to hold you back as a result. I know that most parents are worried to send their kids to school, but I have never heard of a case like that before!


I think you probably had some developmental delays... not a disability... but a delay. Persuasive Development Disorder? I wouldnt be one to ask though.... And dont worry... I couldnt speak until I was almost 4 and look how I turned out lol...


I don't think it had anything to do with a Persuasive Development Disorder or any type of disorder. I was able to actually speak and I started to speak around the average age most people start to, it's just that my speech wasn't clear. For example, instead of saying "three", I would say "thwee".