where's the slime and the locker room?

Welp, my predictions from 2 years ago came true in the end. I'm Nostradamus, bow to me.

Now in this video you have Zoomers reminiscing on the Late 00s-Early 10s era of Nick (iCarly, Big Time Rush, Victorious). When I distinctly remember that era was widely ranted on and considered the "Era where everything went to sh*t" years ago, lol.

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And NickRewind (formerly The Splat) is now putting those Late 00s-Early 10s shows on their block, which older fans have complained about on their Facebook page, lol.


The thing about tail-end Millennials/headstart Zoomers is that they enjoyed Nick in both halves of the 00s. So both late 90s/early 00s and late 00s/early 10s blocks are equally nostalgic for us.

For me personally, the late 00s saw a decline, but it wasn’t abysmal. I mean Chalkzone, Drake and Josh, & MLAATR were still around. Avatar and Wayside were the last animated Nick shows I enjoyed (around 2005-2008), though.

As for the 2010s, most headstart Zoomers would prefer the live action shows than the animated ones. Trust me when I say that almost no headstart Zoomer wants to associate with Fanboy and ChumChum; they would’ve felt too old for it lol.  ;D

The thing about tail-end Millennials/headstart Zoomers is that they enjoyed Nick in both halves of the 00s. So both late 90s/early 00s and late 00s/early 10s blocks are equally nostalgic for us.

For me personally, the late 00s saw a decline, but it wasn’t abysmal. I mean Chalkzone, Drake and Josh, & MLAATR were still around. Avatar and Wayside were the last animated Nick shows I enjoyed (around 2005-2008), though.

As for the 2010s, most headstart Zoomers would prefer the live action shows than the animated ones. Trust me when I say that almost no headstart Zoomer wants to associate with Fanboy and ChumChum; they would’ve felt too old for it lol.  ;D

Eh, I was born in ‘95 and nothing from late 00s Nick is nostalgic for me, let alone the early 2010s. I couldn’t even tell you what was on Nick in 2010. I saw iCarly a few times but was never into it.

Eh, I was born in ‘95 and nothing from late 00s Nick is nostalgic for me, let alone the early 2010s. I couldn’t even tell you what was on Nick in 2010. I saw iCarly a few times but was never into it.


Ditto on that. For me Nick's last solid year was 2005. 2008-2009 was when the channel died for me.

Ditto on that. For me Nick's last solid year was 2005. 2008-2009 was when the channel died for me.
Besides Icarly, Just Jordan and Zoey 101 and the last season of Avatar Nick was pretty much meh for me in the late 00s. 2008/09 school was the last year where I watched it on a regular basis. From 2008 onward it was just spongebob all day and Nick has been stagnant ever since at least to me. I know a lot of people age stop watching in the late 00s.  Even 2006 had a much better lineup from 2009.

Eh, I was born in ‘95 and nothing from late 00s Nick is nostalgic for me, let alone the early 2010s. I couldn’t even tell you what was on Nick in 2010. I saw iCarly a few times but was never into it.


I feel that way about pretty much all of my favorite childhood kid stations. Cartoon Network and Toon Disney also weren't the same in the late 00's compared to the earlier 00's. Disney Channel was always a mixed bag but the pre-2006 years were definitely better with more variety and diversity than the post-2006 years IMO.

Besides Icarly, Just Jordan and Zoey 101 and the last season of Avatar Nick was pretty much meh for me in the late 00s. 2008/09 school was the last year where I watched it on a regular basis. From 2008 onward it was just spongebob all day and Nick has been stagnant ever since at least to me. I know a lot of people age stop watching in the late 00s.  Even 2006 had a much better lineup from 2009.


I agree, my biggest issue with Nickelodeon in the mid to late 00's was the way they started treating their nicktoons. Once all the late 90's nicktoons ended throughout 2004, the nicktoons started becoming inconsistent. The live-action stuff were still good from Drake & Josh to Zoey 101 and iCarly, but the nicktoons took a major hit. If it wasn't for Avatar: The Last Airbender from 2005-2008, all the good nicktoons created throughout the 2nd half of the 00's got cancelled after 1 season such as Catscratch and El Tigre, and bad nicktoons and Dreamwork/video game spin-off's like Fanboy & Chum Chum, Tuff Puppy, Penguins of Madagascar, Back In the Barnyard, or Wayside stayed on the air longer from what I remember. Shows like Spongebob Squarepants and Fairly Odd Parents were past its prime and were spammed way too much on the network because of this. Thankfully there was still Danny Phantom, My Life As a Teenage Robot, and All Grown Up for awhile, but those were over before some of the shows I mentioned aired. Nickelodeon was dead to me by 2009 (or after Avatar ended) but the live-action sitcoms still held up through iCarly and even Victorious (which I didn't watch btw), but after Sam & Cat the live-action shows have been cartoony trash. I only knew this because of my sister 12 years younger than me.

I was born in 1999 and even I felt that Disney Channel, Nickelodeon & Cartoon Network fell off in 2008-2009.

I still watched them but much less than in the mid 2000s. By 2010/2011, I stopped watching them regularly and only very occasionally watched them.

Nowadays, I don't watch them at all and it's been that way since 2012 or so.

Besides Icarly, Just Jordan and Zoey 101 and the last season of Avatar Nick was pretty much meh for me in the late 00s. 2008/09 school was the last year where I watched it on a regular basis. From 2008 onward it was just spongebob all day and Nick has been stagnant ever since at least to me. I know a lot of people age stop watching in the late 00s.  Even 2006 had a much better lineup from 2009.


2007-2008 was the last school year that I watched Nickelodeon on a consistent basis. And honestly, that was really only because of Avatar being in its las season, its live action shows at the time (Drake & Josh, Zoey 101, Ned's Declassified, etc.), and Spongebob reruns. In fact, 2007-2008 saw the end of Avatar, Danny Phantom, My Life as a Teenaged Robot, Zoey 1010, Drake & Josh, Ned's Declassified, among many other shows. 2005 was the last good year for the network, but 2008 was the last time Nick was given an ounce of a damn for me. By 2009, even well before the channel officially changed its logo in Late 2009, the channel was already dead to me.

Long live the Silver Age; 2000-2004/5 :\'(.

I agree, my biggest issue with Nickelodeon in the mid to late 00's was the way they started treating their nicktoons. Once all the late 90's nicktoons ended throughout 2004, the nicktoons started becoming inconsistent. The live-action stuff were still good from Drake & Josh to Zoey 101 and iCarly, but the nicktoons took a major hit. If it wasn't for Avatar: The Last Airbender from 2005-2008, all the good nicktoons created throughout the 2nd half of the 00's got cancelled after 1 season such as Catscratch and El Tigre, and bad nicktoons and Dreamwork/video game spin-off's like Fanboy & Chum Chum, Tuff Puppy, Penguins of Madagascar, Back In the Barnyard, or Wayside stayed on the air longer from what I remember. Shows like Spongebob Squarepants and Fairly Odd Parents were past its prime and were spammed way too much on the network because of this. Thankfully there was still Danny Phantom, My Life As a Teenage Robot, and All Grown Up for awhile, but those were over before some of the shows I mentioned aired. Nickelodeon was dead to me by 2009 (or after Avatar ended) but the live-action sitcoms still held up through iCarly and even Victorious (which I didn't watch btw), but after Sam & Cat the live-action shows have been cartoony trash. I only knew this because of my sister 12 years younger than me.
Yeah right at for the older millennials on here at least acknowledge the shows that came out in our childhoods even if they were past the target age demographic. I know tons of late 80s borns that enjoyed Drake and Josh even if they were the same age as the actors. It's hard for anyone our age to enjoy the more recent Nick shows like Henry Danger, and the Thundermans because they're just too cheesy and weird. The only saving grace for nick seems to be Loud House but I hear even that show isn't doing as well as it was in 2016-17.

2007-2008 was the last school year that I watched Nickelodeon on a consistent basis. And honestly, that was really only because of Avatar being in its las season, its live action shows at the time (Drake & Josh, Zoey 101, Ned's Declassified, etc.), and Spongebob reruns. In fact, 2007-2008 saw the end of Avatar, Danny Phantom, My Life as a Teenaged Robot, Zoey 1010, Drake & Josh, Ned's Declassified, among many other shows. 2005 was the last good year for the network, but 2008 was the last time Nick was given an ounce of a damn for me. By 2009, even well before the channel officially changed its logo in Late 2009, the channel was already dead to me.

Long live the Silver Age; 2000-2004/5 :\'(.
Yea you had plenty of good reasons to stop watching then. I was so mad they ended Just Jordan in 2008. I was like that show could've lasted much longer especially when the Romeo show had a 3 year run on Nick. Zoey 101 ending was kinda odd but given the circumstances of Jamie Lynn Spears it had to be done (couldn't have a teen mom on a kids show).  ICarly was enjoyable tho. The early seasons were pretty solid and felt like Drake and Josh to a degree but just less malicious and more girly. Avatar was still pretty dope and ended on a strong note. Sponge Bob was just meh at this point and Fairly odd Parents while still good didn't feel the same when they added poof. Mighty B was alright but never got into it. 2009 definitely was when Nick just felt dead with Pengunis of Madagascar, Spongebob, Big Time Rush, etc.

2007-2008 was the last school year that I watched Nickelodeon on a consistent basis. And honestly, that was really only because of Avatar being in its las season, its live action shows at the time (Drake & Josh, Zoey 101, Ned's Declassified, etc.), and Spongebob reruns. In fact, 2007-2008 saw the end of Avatar, Danny Phantom, My Life as a Teenaged Robot, Zoey 1010, Drake & Josh, Ned's Declassified, among many other shows. 2005 was the last good year for the network, but 2008 was the last time Nick was given an ounce of a damn for me. By 2009, even well before the channel officially changed its logo in Late 2009, the channel was already dead to me.

Long live the Silver Age; 2000-2004/5 :\'(.


When Nickelodeon's logo changed in 2009 (I don't remember which month), it wasn't just the Nickelodeon station itself, but it was all the sister networks as well. Noggin changed to a separate Nick Jr channel with the new logo although Noggin had fell off for me long before that when Feet Face left. The N became a separate Teen Nick channel, and Nicktoons Network became Nicktoons with the new logo but once again I preferred the Nicktoons channel when it was Nicktoons with the splat between 2003 and 2005.

Like I said before, even though y'all may think Nick fell off by 2008-09, all the teens in that video I linked loved growing up with 2008-2012 era Nick, so really it's all just a matter of what you grew up with.


True, but many of us have pointed out that even before 2008-09, there were already tons of inconsistencies. Like even with the sister stations as I already mentioned, for example, a lot of people have hated Nicktoons since the logo changed and Nicktoons Network ended, but I disagree, I actually think Nicktoons started to suck when it became Nicktoons Network in late 2005, and preferred it when it was a commercial free station with 24/7 real Nicktoons and reruns of some syndicated animated shows. Nick GAS, the station for all the game shows ending after 2007 was already a sign that Nick was going down the drain, and by then there were less game shows or slime shows anyway. I wish I had appreciated iCarly more when it was on the air, but it sucks that the majority of the time iCarly was on Nick the rest of Nick's programming had sucked for me.  :-\\

True, but many of us have pointed out that even before 2008-09, there were already tons of inconsistencies. Like even with the sister stations as I already mentioned, for example, a lot of people have hated Nicktoons since the logo changed and Nicktoons Network ended, but I disagree, I actually think Nicktoons started to suck when it became Nicktoons Network in late 2005, and preferred it when it was a commercial free station with 24/7 real Nicktoons and reruns of some syndicated animated shows. Nick GAS, the station for all the game shows ending after 2007 was already a sign that Nick was going down the drain, and by then there were less game shows or slime shows anyway. I wish I had appreciated iCarly more when it was on the air, but it sucks that the majority of the time iCarly was on Nick the rest of Nick's programming had sucked for me.  :-\\
I never watched Nicktoons until 2006 and the shows on there seem pretty decent. I know happy mikey was a pretty big deal on that network and you had a ton of classic nicktoons from the 90s that would come on regularly. As someone who was pretty late to Cable it was cool seeing the shows that I missed out on the channel while the were in their prime. The only time I got to watch Nick prior to 2006 was going to my aunt house so it was pretty cool watching the shows that I have not have watched or paid much attention to on nicktoons.

I never watched Nicktoons until 2006 and the shows on there seem pretty decent. I know happy mikey was a pretty big deal on that network and you had a ton of classic nicktoons from the 90s that would come on regularly. As someone who was pretty late to Cable it was cool seeing the shows that I missed out on the channel while the were in their prime. The only time I got to watch Nick prior to 2006 was going to my aunt house so it was pretty cool watching the shows that I have not have watched or paid much attention to on nicktoons.


While I preferred Nicktoons Network over Nicktoons 2009-present, it still wasn't as good as Nicktoons between 2003-2005 IMO. During the Nicktoons Network era the network started having more of its own original programming mixed with modern shows at the time and there were barely any classics played from what I remember, or either some of the classics were shoved to late nights/early mornings or weekdays while kids were in school. Nicktoons Network between 2005-2009 reminds me of the Jetix era of Toon Disney between 2005-2009 when the network started having its own programming and hardly any classics on the air. A lot of similarities. However, I'd take the Jetix shows any day over the Nicktoons Network shows.

I think it might have something to do with the over-milking of Spongebob far past its prime, though. It’s possible that a lot of good Nicktoons that had potential were swept under the rug in favor of Spongebob.

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And this analysis still rings true. If anything, the state of the channel seems much more dire than it was 3 years ago, and that's saying something. Especially since the untimely passing of Stephen Hillenburg, killing any momentum the newer episodes of Spongebob, supposedly having the same creativity & originality of the first three-four seasons, that could've been used to define a new generation.


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As of now, what does Nickelodeon even have? Heck, even The Loud House isn't really generating buzz anymore. Theres a quote that Saberspark mentions in the video and I think it's the essence of Nickelodeon's downfall since the mid-late 2000s (forgive me cause I don't remember the particular time stamp);

"I mentioned to you before on how Nick became more corporate, well that ties into Spongebob"

And low and behold;

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https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2019/may/02/spongebob-20th-anniversary-memes-fandom

The show is now 20 years old.

Like I said before, even though y'all may think Nick fell off by 2008-09, all the teens in that video I linked loved growing up with 2008-2012 era Nick, so really it's all just a matter of what you grew up with.


You're right Zelek, its already starting to happen now even on YouTube;

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Just scroll through the comments, and you'll feel like an old man.

^ It's that way with all types of entertainment related to nostalgia. When you see teens being nostalgic for CN during the late 00's Noods or CN Real era, or you see teens who miss Disney XD during its earlier years rather than now. This makes you feel a lot older.

I'll use CN as an example, as always I'll believe that the network started to suck in late 2006 or 2007, however, I still believe the golden age will always be mid 2004 & earlier while the silver age is late 2004-2006. I don't believe 2005 and 2006 were part of CN's golden age like some people around our age or younger do. Same goes for Toon Disney. Jetix was the silver age, but it wasn't the golden age. The golden age is when there were Disney Afternoon & One Saturday Morning shows 24/7 like the network was originally launched for from day one in 1998, and that was over with by late 2004 or early 2005.

Now when I think about it at age 23 with a more mature mind, I don't think CN ever died (except for the 2009/CN Real era), and Disney XD has been alive and well for the new generation since Toon Disney/Jetix ended. I will say this, in general, I believe it's broadcast television that is dying and it's not the TV networks' faults, and once you have Netflix, DC Universe, and Disney Plus at the same time, there's no need for TV networks to have a lot of variety on the schedules when you have streaming services plus On Demand.

^ It's that way with all types of entertainment related to nostalgia. When you see teens being nostalgic for CN during the late 00's Noods or CN Real era, or you see teens who miss Disney XD during its earlier years rather than now. This makes you feel a lot older.

I'll use CN as an example, as always I'll believe that the network started to suck in late 2006 or 2007, however, I still believe the golden age will always be mid 2004 & earlier while the silver age is late 2004-2006. I don't believe 2005 and 2006 were part of CN's golden age like some people around our age or younger do. Same goes for Toon Disney. Jetix was the silver age, but it wasn't the golden age. The golden age is when there were Disney Afternoon & One Saturday Morning shows 24/7 like the network was originally launched for from day one in 1998, and that was over with by late 2004 or early 2005.


Just goes to show how fast time is moving. 10 years ago, we 90s babies, whom were teens at the time, were just becoming nostalgic of our childhoods in the late 90s/early 00s. I remember that even by Late 2008/Early 2009, me and my cousin, who is two years older, used to get nostalgic talking about the 'good ole days' of watching Late 90s Nick Jr. shows like Franklin and Little Bear. Toonami shows like Dragon Ball Z and Yu Yu Hakusho. SNICK shows like Kenan & Kel and All That. I can go on and on.

Its crazy to think that there are kids 10 years my junior that are now at a similar age that me and my cousin were 10 years ago, now starting to get nostalgic over stuff from the late 2000s. Like a hypothetical 04' & 06' kid getting nostalgic over Wizards of Waverly Place, or the CN Real era of Cartoon Network.

Now when I think about it at age 23 with a more mature mind, I don't think CN ever died (except for the 2009/CN Real era), and Disney XD has been alive and well for the new generation since Toon Disney/Jetix ended. I will say this, in general, I believe it's broadcast television that is dying and it's not the TV networks' faults, and once you have Netflix, DC Universe, and Disney Plus at the same time, there's no need for TV networks to have a lot of variety on the schedules when you have streaming services plus On Demand.

While that is true, I do think that there are ways these companies can still be innovative. Also, on the point highligted in bold, with many of these same companies like Walt Disney and Warner Bros. now concentrating their intellectual properties to their own streaming services, its going to create an adverse effect of making people less enticed to sign up for these same services. Especially since there are annual rate hikes for a lot of these services, but the quantity (and arguably, even the quality) of the content continues to go down. All of the Disney stuff will stay exclusively on Disney Plus. All of the DC stuff will eventually stay exclusively on some sort of Warner Bros. streaming services (AT&T GO.... maybe? just a thought). Amazon stuff will stay exclusively on Amazon, etc etc.

Theres actually an interesting video discussing this weird paradox going on right, and is what is expected to only accelerate in the next decade:


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The continued lack of diversity on a lot of these platforms may ironically lead people back into cable subscriptions.

While that is true, I do think that there are ways these companies can still be innovative. Also, on the point highligted in bold, with many of these same companies like Walt Disney and Warner Bros. now concentrating their intellectual properties to their own streaming services, its going to create an adverse effect of making people less enticed to sign up for these same services. Especially since there are annual rate hikes for a lot of these services, but the quantity (and arguably, even the quality) of the content continues to go down. All of the Disney stuff will stay exclusively on Disney Plus. All of the DC stuff will eventually stay exclusively on some sort of Warner Bros. streaming services (AT&T GO.... maybe? just a thought). Amazon stuff will stay exclusively on Amazon, etc etc.

Theres actually an interesting video discussing this weird paradox going on right, and is what is expected to only accelerate in the next decade:


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The continued lack of diversity on a lot of these platforms may ironically lead people back into cable subscriptions.


Thanks for sharing this video with me. Interesting points there, and it started with the DC Universe streaming service and a lot of DC shows and movies were taken off Netflix such as Justice League, Justice League Unlimited, and Young Justice. I'm happy to have enjoyed Netflix since 2014 when there was all kinds of content and not just its original programming. It's amazing how Netflix is going to mostly only have its original content now whereas before then Netflix mostly had content from different companies. This reminds me, with many cable stations that started in the 90's or earlier, it started off as a station with syndicated shows then started coming up with original programming and eventually the network only played its original shows.

2 of the shows here Rocko's Modern Life and Invader Zim will both be getting movies this summer on Netflix! I'm very exited as I have been following this for a very long time.

Nickelodeon Sept. 2003 Schedule: Wow! What a diverse schedule back then, and I was in 2nd grade then! The most shocking part of the schedule is how Tiny Toons, Ahh Real Monsters, Angry Beavers, Kenan & Kel, The Amanda Show, and Cousin Skeeter were still on during the weekends when we were out of school!  :o

Sept. 2-28:

Weekdays
6:00AM Cable in the Classroom (Nick News, Doug and Inside TV Land)
6:30AM The Wild Thornberrys
7:00AM Hey Arnold!
7:30AM Rocket Power
8:00AM Rugrats
8:30AM SpongeBob SquarePants
9:00AM Max & Ruby
9:30AM Rubbadubbers
10:00AM Dora the Explorer
10:30AM Blue's Clues
11:00AM Dora the Explorer
11:30AM Tweenies
12:00PM Oswald
12:30PM Little Bill
1:00PM Maggie and the Ferocious Beast
1:30PM Bob the Builder
2:00PM Tiny Toon Adventures
2:30PM The Wild Thornberrys
3:00PM Rugrats
3:30PM CatDog
4:00PM Hey Arnold!
4:30PM Rocket Power
5:00PM U-Pick Nicktoons
5:30PM SpongeBob SquarePants
6:00PM U-Pick Nicktoons
6:30PM Hey Arnold!
7:00PM Rugrats
7:30PM SpongeBob SquarePants
8:00PM The Fairly OddParents
8:30PM The Amanda Show (Mon-Thurs); My Life as a Teenage Robot (Fri)
9:00PM NICK@NITE (Mon-Thurs); The Adventures of Jimmy Neutron: Boy Genius (Fri)
9:30PM NICK@NITE cont. (Mon-Thurs); ChalkZone (Fri)

Weekends:
6:00AM Tiny Toon Adventures
6:30AM Tiny Toon Adventures
7:00AM CatDog
7:30AM CatDog
8:00AM Rugrats
8:30AM Rugrats (Sat); ChalkZone (Sun)
9:00AM SpongeBob SquarePants
9:30AM SpongeBob SquarePants
10:00AM The Fairly OddParents
10:30AM The Fairly OddParents
11:00AM The Adventures of Jimmy Neutron: Boy Genius
11:30AM The Adventures of Jimmy Neutron: Boy Genius
12:00PM My Life as a Teenage Robot (Sat); Hey Arnold! (Sun)
12:30PM ChalkZone (Sat); Hey Arnold! (Sun)
1:00PM Hey Arnold! (Sat); The Wild Thornberrys (Sun)
1:30PM Hey Arnold! (Sat); The Wild Thornberrys (Sun)
2:00PM Rugrats (Sat); CatDog (Sun)
2:30PM Rugrats (Sat); Aaahh!!! Real Monsters (Sun)
3:00PM Rocket Power (Sat); The Angry Beavers (Sun)
3:30PM Rocket Power (Sat); Rocko's Modern Life (Sun)
4:00PM The Fairly OddParents (Sat); Rocket Power (Sun)
4:30PM The Fairly OddParents (Sat); Rocket Power (Sun)
5:00PM SpongeBob SquarePants (Sat); The Fairly OddParents (Sun)
5:30PM SpongeBob SquarePants (Sat); The Adventures of Jimmy Neutron: Boy Genius (Sun)
6:00PM As Told by Ginger (Sat); Kenan & Kel (Sun)
6:30PM ChalkZone (Sat); As Told by Ginger (Sun)
7:00PM The Adventures of Jimmy Neutron: Boy Genius (Sat); My Life as a Teenage Robot (Sun)
7:30PM The Fairly OddParents (Sat); Romeo! (Sun)
8:00PM All That (Sat); The Brothers Garcia (Sun)
8:30PM Romeo! (Sat); Nick News (Sun) *SABRINA, THE TEENAGE WITCH (Sun, effect. 9/28)
9:00PM The Amanda Show (Sat); NICK@NITE (Sun)
9:30PM Cousin Skeeter (Sat); NICK@NITE cont. (Sun)

DOPE schedule @mqg 8).

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This is from that same era. Do you happen to remember the Holiday/Seasonal specials when you was a kid? For instance, this was during Nicksgiving, and there were even promos of Merry Nickmas coming up. I remember both of these pretty vividly, especially from this year in particular. I'd do anything to just go back to the simple times of 2nd grade when I was a kid, they were so carefree.

Also, this commercial break is officially 18 years old:


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Its now officially old enough to vote, go to a club, get charged as an adult, and yes, fight in combat (the same fight we've been involved in since around the time this commercial break was born.... if that makes any sense ;D).

Btw @Zelek and others, I saw this comment made by the username 'Nickelodeon Fanatic2008 on Saberspark's video;

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Here the comment reads;

1991-1994 the beginning
1994-2004 the golden age
2004-2007 the silver age
2007-2012 the dark age
2012-2014 the Renaissance
2014- present the decline

Nickelodeon really doesn't have a strategy right now. I'm sorry to say this but they're in a pit right now. They need to stop with the horrible sitcoms as Vailskibum 94 said. If they don't fix what they're doing right now, they're going to lose out on a big opportunity. Sorry to say mehn.

Do you guys happen to agree with this assessment? It seems to be a slightly different take on the rise and fall (and apparent renaissance/second fall) of the network.

DOPE schedule @mqg 8).

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This is from that same era. Do you happen to remember the Holiday/Seasonal specials when you was a kid? For instance, this was during Nicksgiving, and there were even promos of Merry Nickmas coming up. I remember both of these pretty vividly, especially from this year in particular. I'd do anything to just go back to the simple times of 2nd grade when I was a kid, they were so carefree.


Like I said before, my best memories of early 00's Nickelodeon are the summer beach house events of 2002 and 2003. I feel like I didn't watch Nick enough as I did CN and Disney (both networks) but I still remember a lot of the early 00's and mid 00's Nick equally.

One thing that just came to my mind, and it's really sad. Every kid who's in K-12 right now (or upcoming) only knows Nickelodeon as Spongebob being the face of the network. To this very day here in 2019, Spongebob still remains as the face of Nick and will continue to be for the following generation of kids unless a major surprise happens. You'd think Loud House would do it, and as big as that was, Spongebob still couldn't be stopped.

I feel like you, I, and folks around our age were the last generation to remember Nickelodeon when Rugrats were still the face of the network and there was a lot of variety of other nicktoons on the air. Even though Spongebob came out in 1999, between 1999-2004 it was treated equally as any other nicktoon. You had Spongebob airing as equally as Hey Arnold, Rugrats, Invader Zim, ChalkZone, My Life As A Teenage Robot, CatDog, Rocket Power, Jimmy Neutron, Fairly Odd Parents, Danny Phantom, and so forth. Hell, you even had Pinky & The Brain, Animaniacs, and Tiny Toons reruns on Nick which I barely remember. The slime shows and U-Pick live anyone?

Once the Spongebob movie came out in November 2004 and made a big hit in theaters, that's when Spongebob truly became the face of Nickelodeon and started being played a lot like it is today, and I believe that hurt future nicktoons with tons of potential like Catscratch and El Tigre down the road. Avatar: The Last Airbender was very fortunate. Funny thing is. Rugrats may have been the face of Nickelodeon pre-2004 while Spongebob was the face of Nickelodeon post-2004, and while I liked those shows, those were never my favorite. My favorite nicktoon from 2004 & earlier was Hey Arnold, and my favorite nicktoon from 2005 & later was Avatar: The Last Airbender.

My favorite era for the sitcoms on Nick will always be the mid 00's though, because of Drake & Josh, Zoey 101, Unfabulous, Ned's Declassified, and Romeo. Even iCarly from 2007 was good even tho most of its airing time happened when Nick was dead to me. I didn't care for the early 00's sitcoms accept for Kenan & Kel reruns and The Amanda Show on some occasions. I heard that the All That revival was terrible, but I hardly remember any of that.

Btw @Zelek and others, I saw this comment made by the username 'Nickelodeon Fanatic2008 on Saberspark's video;

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Here the comment reads;

Do you guys happen to agree with this assessment? It seems to be a slightly different take on the rise and fall (and apparent renaissance/second fall) of the network.


1979-1991 = Vintage Era
1991-1998 = Golden Era
1998-2004 = Klaspy Csupo Era
2004-2009 = TeenNick Era
2009-2016 = Dark Era
2016+ = Nostalgic Era

what happened to the slime?  slimes away  on the only network fork for kids

you want disgusting  I'll show you disgusting

then it turned into vomit cute Power Puff Girls

and they lost their slime, Nick didn't have anything they were a part of.  They only had cartoons with random tap dancers and stuff between the cartoons.

Like I said before, my best memories of early 00's Nickelodeon are the summer beach house events of 2002 and 2003. I feel like I didn't watch Nick enough as I did CN and Disney (both networks) but I still remember a lot of the early 00's and mid 00's Nick equally.


Hell yeah I remember the Summer Beach House :D :D :D

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Also, this one comment from the video;

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Nickelodeon
Great
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;D

One thing that just came to my mind, and it's really sad. Every kid who's in K-12 right now (or upcoming) only knows Nickelodeon as Spongebob being the face of the network. To this very day here in 2019, Spongebob still remains as the face of Nick and will continue to be for the following generation of kids unless a major surprise happens. You'd think Loud House would do it, and as big as that was, Spongebob still couldn't be stopped.



Yeah thats a good point. In fact, it may have already been like that for a few years now. In particular to just K-5, its definitely has been like that for well over a decade at this point. It seemed like after 2005/2006 was when the variety in Nicktoons began to dwindle in favor of more Spongebob reruns. This started around the time Cyma Zarghami took over Herb Scannel, who himself made some questionable decisions but overall was still a good president for the brand. In fact, Herb Scannel's tenure at Nickelodeon from 1996-2006 reminds me a lot of Jim Staples tenure at Cartoon Network from 2001-2007. Not sure whether or not you agree.


My favorite nicktoon from 2004 & earlier was Hey Arnold, and my favorite nicktoon from 2005 & later was Avatar: The Last Airbender.

FACTS.

In fact, two of my favorite Nicktoons of all time happen to be Avatar and Hey Arnold. Whether one or the other is my all time favorite varies based on my mood. But these toons both impacted very much as a kid, to the point that when I think of Nickelodeon from the 1990s & 2000s, while most tend to reckon to Rugrats or Spongebob, I think of Avatar and Hey Arnold.

The shows also were wise 'beyond their years', if that makes any sense, as they were deep and intellectual stories that were easy enough for children to understand/get behind, and smart enough for adults to enjoy as well. I can still watch Hey Arnold or Avatar as an adult and enjoy these shows, in fact in a more deep way that I couldn't have as a kid (especially certain jokes in Hey Arnold and plot points/story elements that flew over my head as a kid).

I can't say the same for many other Nicktoons from the 1990s & 2000s, even though many of them were great in their own right.



what happened to the slime?  slimes away  on the only network fork for kids

you want disgusting  I'll show you disgusting

then it turned into vomit cute Power Puff Girls





They started to phase out the slime element in the Late 2000s. The last major show on the network which still had that slime aesthetic to the show's DNA was SlimeTime Live, which aired from 2000-2003. The closure of Nickelodeon Studios in 2005 also had a big impact on the shift in Nickelodeon's marketing away from the 'obscure' (but in a good way) approach to marketing from the 80s/90s/early 00s, to competing head on with the more streamlined & 'clean cut' marketing found on the Disney Channel around the same time, and the shows that Nick produced during that time period shows.

The shift from being a primarily animation channel in the 90s & early 00s, to primarily live action/tween based in the mid-late 2000s was a considerable shift, not to mention most game shows being reduced to only showing on Nick GAS (which ironically closed down in 2007 due to low ratings). The last show ever filmed at Nickelodeon Studios was Nickelodeon SPLAT! in 2004, which was 15 years ago. Like MQG mentioned, a whole new generation of kids unfortunately grew up in an era of Nickelodeon in which 'slime' and 'gross out' humor has been shunned upon in favor for more streamlined content and a 'clean cut' ethos to the network. That generation is now in high school now and unfortunately missed out on arguably the last great eras for children's entertainment across the board, but especially in relation to Nickelodeon.



I think most people would start the silver age in 1998 instead because that's when Dil was added to Rugrats and Catdog (first "post-golden age" Nicktoon according to fans at the time) premiered.

From what I've read over the years, it seems like Nick's silver age (1998-2005) was a transition between the more "indie" golden age (1991-1998) and the more "corporate"/teenybopper bronze age (2005-2009).


Yeah that seems a lot more reasonable. However, the guy's comment of claiming the Golden Age as from 1994-2004 was rather interesting though. It seemed he was talking in relation to when the channel was both at its peak in popularity and when the quality of the network was relatively strong. You can say that the 1994-2004/2005 era was the 'All That Era', since that particular show being referenced here ran from 94'-05' during what is considered the best era (or eras, in our discussion) of Nickelodeon from a nostalgic viewpoint. In fact, a much broader 1991-2005 'Apex Period' for Nickelodeon, which can include both 'Golden' and 'Silver' periods I wouldn't necessarily object to.

Herb Scannell at Nick and Jim Samples at CN seemed to be both presidents who started off good for most of their career, but in their last few years it seems like they were beginning to lose it or become out of touch, and laid the groundwork for their successors.

Scannell closed down Nick Studios in 2005 and was responsible for them going after the teenybopper audience more that year (EazyE-Man pointed this out, Nick feeling different in 2005). While Samples began watering down CN by 2005, ending the Cartoon Cartoons, replacing them with rather "meh" shows like Camp Lazlo, Gym Partner, and Hi Hi Puff Daddy that never made an impact, and greenlighting CN's first ever live-action movie Re-Animated.



Good points. Also on the bold, I agree. At the time, 2005 did seem a bit.... off. I noticed that when I first saw the premiere of 'Fear of a Krabby Patty' aka the first episode of Season 4 of Spongebob. It was a good and rather iconic episode, and it still felt like the classic Spongebob I was used to, but I did notice a few cosmetic changes, such as updated character animations, slightly different character tropes (Spongebob being noticeably more obnoxious that what I was used to, and this is what started the slow 'flanderization' of many of the cast), the slight voice acting changes, etc. Not to mention this being the post Stephen Hillenburg/Derek Drymon era and the first of the Paul Tiblitt era of Spongebob, which in retrospect was a major sign of changes to be braced ahead.

That's just w/ Spongebob, although there were other noticeable changes that occurred in 05', Spongebob becoming the new official face of the network was definitely the most notable.

This video explains it all quite well:

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I don't really know if all the changes could be ascribed to them specifically, perhaps they were just a matter of inevitable shifting public tastes, or the emergence of Web 2.0 making the TV networks obsolete.


Web 2.0 was still in its early stages though. There wasn't the readily accessible way to watch entertainment outside of the television. However, the 'TV Experience' was certainly on its way downhill at that point. Just the year prior, the series finale of FRIENDS had a record 52.5 million viewers, making it the fourth watched series finale in the 2000s, and one of the most iconic in television history. Most analysts consider that series finale the last major one to have happened in television history (although, one can make the argument that the recent series finale of Game of Thrones was record shattering, especially in DVR/Video recordings/Streaming records. That may very well be the last major 'TV Experience').

Silver Age Nick in a nutshell (2002 bumper):
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Idk, for some reason, I have a really soft spot for 2002-2004 (and 2001-2005 by extension). Idk if it’s rose-colored glasses or actual quality of cartoons, but I find myself feeling fonder nostalgia for the first half of my childhood.  :-\

I feel the same way about the first half of my childhood. It has a different, more sincere type of nostalgia to it.

Its official, there is going to be an All That Reboot:

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There has already been an introductory parody, its pretty delightful to watch actually ;D;

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You guys think this has promise?

https://themuse.jezebel.com/all-that-is-coming-back-but-cant-possibly-live-up-to-t-1835101091

These guys, don't necessarily agree. I have hope though, it can be a great show for a new generation.

Web 2.0 was still in its early stages though. There wasn't the readily accessible way to watch entertainment outside of the television. However, the 'TV Experience' was certainly on its way downhill at that point. Just the year prior, the series finale of FRIENDS had a record 52.5 million viewers, making it the fourth watched series finale in the 2000s, and one of the most iconic in television history. Most analysts consider that series finale the last major one to have happened in television history (although, one can make the argument that the recent series finale of Game of Thrones was record shattering, especially in DVR/Video recordings/Streaming records. That may very well be the last major 'TV Experience').


Maybe it’s just my memory being bad but I don’t remember any alternative to television in 2005.

Funny thing is, when you look up "x year Nickelodeon" videos on Youtube, 2000-2004 videos are still plentiful/popular, but then you get to 2005 and the number of videos drops off. Coincidence? :)


Further proves my point ;D. Although I am not against the idea of pushing the silver age all the way to 2005, but at the same time 2004-2005 was a pretty transformative time for the network, as I am sure Eric, Marquis, and myself have already relayed. I guess a fair way to look at it is that 2004 was the last GOOD year for the network in its entirety, while the 2004-2005 school year was the last GOOD school year for the network in its entirety. 2005, as a whole, was half good and half meh.



Maybe it’s just my memory being bad but I don’t remember any alternative to television in 2005.


I think what Zelek was saying was that the 2004-2006 was the VERY start of things slowly moving into the modern world of streaming & or alternative ways to consume content. What I mentioned was that many shows that ended around the 2004-2007 time period (Sex and the City, F*R*I*E*N*D*S, Frasier, Everybody Loves Raymond, That 70s Show, King of Queens, etc.) were the last to have their series finales be huge cultural milestones. The 'TV Experience' if that makes any sense, where everybody and their grandmother could talk non stop the next day about the plot of their favorite TV shows coming to an end.

VERY few shows that have ended since (unless we're referring to shows on HBO like The Sopranos, Breaking Bad, Game of Thrones, etc.) have generated that type of buzz as they were being signed off. The Big Bang Theory just ended its near 12 year run two weeks ago...... I barely heard much buzz from it. It is to suggest that we all don't watch the same content anymore, which is good in many ways, but it does reckon back to a time where people would have 'watchnight parties' for some of their favorite TV shows, or kids would wake up on Saturday mornings to catch their favorite cartoons, or families would watch TGIF or The Magical World of Disney on Saturday nights.

The early-mid 2000s was the tail end of the 'TV experience', not to mention 'Living Room Culture' in itself.

I think what Zelek was saying was that the 2004-2006 was the VERY start of things slowly moving into the modern world of streaming & or alternative ways to consume content. What I mentioned was that many shows that ended around the 2004-2007 time period (Sex and the City, F*R*I*E*N*D*S, Frasier, Everybody Loves Raymond, That 70s Show, King of Queens, etc.) were the last to have their series finales be huge cultural milestones. The 'TV Experience' if that makes any sense, where everybody and their grandmother could talk non stop the next day about the plot of their favorite TV shows coming to an end.

VERY few shows that have ended since (unless we're referring to shows on HBO like The Sopranos, Breaking Bad, Game of Thrones, etc.) have generated that type of buzz as they were being signed off. The Big Bang Theory just ended its near 12 year run two weeks ago...... I barely heard much buzz from it. It is to suggest that we all don't watch the same content anymore, which is good in many ways, but it does reckon back to a time where people would have 'watchnight parties' for some of their favorite TV shows, or kids would wake up on Saturday mornings to catch their favorite cartoons, or families would watch TGIF or The Magical World of Disney on Saturday nights.

The early-mid 2000s was the tail end of the 'TV experience', not to mention 'Living Room Culture' in itself.


I suppose that’s true - and you’re right that nobody really cared about the end of the Big Bang Theory. The show was still culturally significant for its first few seasons though. It was one of the last shows me, my sister and mum would all watch together, and one of the last shows I remember lots of people talking about in daily life. Heroes is another one.

Further proves my point ;D. Although I am not against the idea of pushing the silver age all the way to 2005, but at the same time 2004-2005 was a pretty transformative time for the network, as I am sure Eric, Marquis, and myself have already relayed. I guess a fair way to look at it is that 2004 was the last GOOD year for the network in its entirety, while the 2004-2005 school year was the last GOOD school year for the network in its entirety. 2005, as a whole, was half good and half meh.

Yeah that's true. I used to put more weight on Cyma zarghami taking over in January 2006 as being Nick's shift, but now looking back on it, they were already leaning in that "Cyma direction" in mid-late 2005, when Herb Scannell was still there.

By mid-late 2005 you already had:
-The closure of Nick Studios
-Post-movie Spongebob
-Post-Channel chasers Fairly oddparents
-U pick live was cancelled
-Danny phantom kinda went downhill after peaking with Ultimate enemy
-"Teenybopper" shows like Zoey 101 and Unfabulous taking over
-Less focus on Nicktoons, any show that wasn't Spongebob wasn't really given a chance
-Nick focusing more on teens and less on kids and no longer saying "First kids' network" in commercials (2004 was the LAST time they said that slogan, interestingly).

Yeah that's true. I used to put more weight on Cyma zarghami taking over in January 2006 as being Nick's shift, but now looking back on it, they were already leaning in that "Cyma direction" in mid-late 2005, when Herb Scannell was still there.

By mid-late 2005 you already had:
-The closure of Nick Studios
-Post-movie Spongebob
-Post-Channel chasers Fairly oddparents
-U pick live was cancelled
-Danny phantom kinda went downhill after peaking with Ultimate enemy
-"Teenybopper" shows like Zoey 101 and Unfabulous taking over
-Less focus on Nicktoons, any show that wasn't Spongebob wasn't really given a chance
-Nick focusing more on teens and less on kids and no longer saying "First kids' network" in commercials (2004 was the LAST time they said that slogan, interestingly).


You might as well add the original Nicktoons station becoming Nicktoons Network and no longer commercial free, that happened in mid-late 2005, and then Nicktoons Network started coming up with its own programming and took classic nicktoons and syndicated shows off the air.

Pretty dope interview:

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Apparently, there is going to be a 'Good Burger 2' as well in the near future. All of this Late 90s nostalgia is just rushing back to me now :D.

I think what Zelek was saying was that the 2004-2006 was the VERY start of things slowly moving into the modern world of streaming & or alternative ways to consume content. What I mentioned was that many shows that ended around the 2004-2007 time period (Sex and the City, F*R*I*E*N*D*S, Frasier, Everybody Loves Raymond, That 70s Show, King of Queens, etc.) were the last to have their series finales be huge cultural milestones. The 'TV Experience' if that makes any sense, where everybody and their grandmother could talk non stop the next day about the plot of their favorite TV shows coming to an end.

VERY few shows that have ended since (unless we're referring to shows on HBO like The Sopranos, Breaking Bad, Game of Thrones, etc.) have generated that type of buzz as they were being signed off. The Big Bang Theory just ended its near 12 year run two weeks ago...... I barely heard much buzz from it. It is to suggest that we all don't watch the same content anymore, which is good in many ways, but it does reckon back to a time where people would have 'watchnight parties' for some of their favorite TV shows, or kids would wake up on Saturday mornings to catch their favorite cartoons, or families would watch TGIF or The Magical World of Disney on Saturday nights.

The early-mid 2000s was the tail end of the 'TV experience', not to mention 'Living Room Culture' in itself.


That's a good point about the Living Room Culture stuff. TV events used to be a huge thing back when I was growing up. I can recall when Cheers went off the air, though I was very young. Pretty sure it was something like 90 million viewers watched that finale or something. I can also recall the finale to the first season of American Idol and how huge that turned out to be. Because of online streaming and there being so many other ways to watch stuff, there's pretty much no chance that a show could get that big anymore.

Even with kids shows it's not like it used to be. When I was a kid, shows like Rugrats or Hey Arnold were literally watched by every kid that I knew. We could all recite the catchphrases and would often quote the shows to each other. Kids watch so many videos online and stuff like that these days that there doesn't look like there any kids shows that popular anymore.

It's kinda like that with toys and stuff too. Like back during the late '90s when Pokemon was at it's peak, every kid watched the show, every kid had the Game Boy games, every kid collected the cards. You could literally talk to pretty much any kid about Pokemon and they would be able to tell at least the basic stuff about it. I'm not sure that there are still things kids like these days that are that popular.

Man, those of us who grew up on silver age nick are really stuck floating in the middle, with nowhere to go, lol.

On Facebook Nick videos you've got top-rated comments from golden age fans like "Nick started sucking the moment we hit the year 2000". Then on Twitter you've got posts from bronze age fans like "Nick was at its best in 2007-2012 when it had iCarly, Victorious, and Big Time Rush" with thousands of likes. But those of us who grew up on silver age Nick, in-between two popular eras, have no major presence, lol.


I can argue that 2007-2012 was an okay era for sitcoms because of iCarly and Victorious, but the rest at the time weren't that great, and you can't start with 2007, you'd have to start with 2004 because of Drake & Josh, Ned's Declassified, and Zoey 101. If we're talking about the NICKTOONS, then that era was in big trouble after 2005. Combine those 2 factors together then to me Nickelodeon was over with after Avatar ended (Danny Phantom and Drake & Josh had ended by then).

That's a good point about the Living Room Culture stuff. TV events used to be a huge thing back when I was growing up. I can recall when Cheers went off the air, though I was very young. Pretty sure it was something like 90 million viewers watched that finale or something. I can also recall the finale to the first season of American Idol and how huge that turned out to be. Because of online streaming and there being so many other ways to watch stuff, there's pretty much no chance that a show could get that big anymore.

Even with kids shows it's not like it used to be. When I was a kid, shows like Rugrats or Hey Arnold were literally watched by every kid that I knew. We could all recite the catchphrases and would often quote the shows to each other. Kids watch so many videos online and stuff like that these days that there doesn't look like there any kids shows that popular anymore.

It's kinda like that with toys and stuff too. Like back during the late '90s when Pokemon was at it's peak, every kid watched the show, every kid had the Game Boy games, every kid collected the cards. You could literally talk to pretty much any kid about Pokemon and they would be able to tell at least the basic stuff about it. I'm not sure that there are still things kids like these days that are that popular.


I agree. In almost all aspects of culture, it seemed like it was a more ‘shared’ experience. We have become so separated and jaded in our society.



Man, those of us who grew up on silver age nick are really stuck floating in the middle, with nowhere to go, lol.

On Facebook Nick videos you've got top-rated comments from golden age fans like "Nick started sucking the moment we hit the year 2000". Then on Twitter you've got posts from bronze age fans like "Nick was at its best in 2007-2012 when it had iCarly, Victorious, and Big Time Rush" with thousands of likes. But those of us who grew up on silver age Nick, in-between two popular eras, have no major presence, lol.


Really? I find that hard to believe in all honestly. 2007-2012 just still seems very recent. I agree with Mqg that the live action shows at that time were still decent. However, that alone didn’t save the network. Nickeloeon at that time may have been as popular relatively with Zoomers as the Golden Age was to Millennials. But in sheer numbers, I’d imagine Nick’s ratings going downhill since 2007.... but I could be wrong. But if that were the case, then the popularity of the network would’ve went downhill, even if Nickelodeon itself was still the most popular with children in comparison to the other ‘Big Three’ children’s networks.

Oh and welcome back @MachineHead! :D.

It’s been a while, how’ve you been man?

Really? I find that hard to believe in all honestly. 2007-2012 just still seems very recent. I agree with Mqg that the live action shows at that time were still decent. However, that alone didn’t save the network. Nickeloeon at that time may have been as popular relatively with Zoomers as the Golden Age was to Millennials. But in sheer numbers, I’d imagine Nick’s ratings going downhill since 2007.... but I could be wrong. But if that were the case, then the popularity of the network would’ve went downhill, even if Nickelodeon itself was still the most popular with children in comparison to the other ‘Big Three’ children’s networks.


The ratings for Nick are certainly not anywhere near where they used to be. Even though I can't necessarily look them up, this is almost guaranteed because of the popularity of online streaming over the past 10 years. The thing with Nick, though, is that they just haven't been able to find another major show to make the centerpiece of their network like what they had back during the '90s and '00s. Nick has mostly just been showing the same couple of old shows for at least the last five years or more, while their competitors have had most of the top rated shows over the last few years.


Oh and welcome back @MachineHead! :D.

It’s been a while, how’ve you been man?


Been good, thanks for asking, though. Just busy as of late.

The ratings for Nick are certainly not anywhere near where they used to be. Even though I can't necessarily look them up, this is almost guaranteed because of the popularity of online streaming over the past 10 years. The thing with Nick, though, is that they just haven't been able to find another major show to make the centerpiece of their network like what they had back during the '90s and '00s. Nick has mostly just been showing the same couple of old shows for at least the last five years or more, while their competitors have had most of the top rated shows over the last few years.

Been good, thanks for asking, though. Just busy as of late.


I agree. And same, been busy af since graduating from school....

Btw is it just me Zelek, or did you also notice how all of the change between all of the major kid channels happen usually in or around during election years?

1996:

-The Last full classic Year for Old a School The Disney Channel

-Last year for classic Nickelodeon shows like Ren & Stimpy, Rocko's Modern Life, Pete & Pete; the premiere of shows like Hey Arnold, Blues Clues; Nick's first theatrical film Harriet Spy

-The Last full Checkerboard Year for Cartoon Network


2004:

-Toon Disney Launches Jetix, starting the decline of its reruns of Disney Afternoon and OSM programming

-Nickelodeon ends most of their 90's reruns of Ren & Stimpy, Rocko, Doug, etc.; Hey Arnold, Rugrats, Rocket Power, and Wild Thornberry's end; SNICK ends, Last year for Classic Spongebob

-Cartoon Network transitions from the Powerhouse Era into the City Era; most 50's-80's cartoon reruns are now officially on Boomerang


An update to this post I made about the connection between election years and major changes at children's television networks:

In 2008 you had;

-Cartoon Network entering into the infamous ‘Noodz Era’, which is universally considered the ‘dark age’ for the network. Many iconic shows on the network during the 2000s like KND and Billy & Mandy end at this point. There is no trace of anything from the Late 90s/Early 00s (aka, the ‘Powerhouse era’) on the network besides Ed, Edd, n’ Eddy. Toonami closes its door in September of 2008. And you saw the start of the network relying too much on cartoons from Teletoon in Canada, such as George of the Jungle and Total Drama Island (awful shows I might add 8-P)

-Nickelodeon ended even more iconic shows/reruns of shows on their network this year. Avatar, Ned’s Declassified, Drake & Josh, Zoey 101, Rugrats (& spin-off All Grown Up), etc. etc. Spongebob enters into the dark age with the infamous start of Season 6 (and all its cringeworthy ‘shock value’ humor that went along with it), likewise for Fairly Odd Parents in their 6th season with the introduction of the character Poof. Cringeworthy shows like the Mighty B and Fanboy & Chum Chum are now on the air. I could go on and on. The only redeemable thing about 2008 for Nickelodeon was that the ‘Splat’ logo was still in usage, but in 2009 that’s would ultimately change as well.

-Disney Channel didn’t really have any more changes this year. However, with That’s So Raven ending in 2007, and shows like Hannah Montana and Wizards of Waverly Place already on the air, it suggests that 2008 was the first truly modern year for the channel. Not to mention the popularity of Camp Rock in summer of 2008, which was the nail in the coffin for good DCOMs on the network, this still remains arguably the worst DCOM ever in the history of Disney Channel. Let’s not forget Disney’s inherent obsession with the Jonas Brothers by this point. The only saving grace was Zach & Cody, which ended in 08’...... but hey, Suite Life on Deck was still good enough. Also, you had Phineas & Ferb which was a good cartoon. But outside of that, 2008 fully signaled the modern age of Disney Channel, and not in a good way.


That’s it for now, but I’ll definitely make a list for other election years if you’re interested. But overall, it seems that a lot of these major changes tend to occur during election years.

^ Excellent list right there. I've explained it this way multiple times too. We were there for 2004 which kick started the 2nd half of our elementary school years, and 2008 was the final nail in the coffin for our childhoods.

An update to this post I made about the connection between election years and major changes at children's television networks:

In 2008 you had;

-Cartoon Network entering into the infamous ‘Noodz Era’, which is universally considered the ‘dark age’ for the network. Many iconic shows on the network during the 2000s like KND and Billy & Mandy end at this point. There is no trace of anything from the Late 90s/Early 00s (aka, the ‘Powerhouse era’) on the network besides Ed, Edd, n’ Eddy. Toonami closes its door in September of 2008. And you saw the start of the network relying too much on cartoons from Teletoon in Canada, such as George of the Jungle and Total Drama Island (awful shows I might add 8-P)

-Nickelodeon ended even more iconic shows/reruns of shows on their network this year. Avatar, Ned’s Declassified, Drake & Josh, Zoey 101, Rugrats (& spin-off All Grown Up), etc. etc. Spongebob enters into the dark age with the infamous start of Season 6 (and all its cringeworthy ‘shock value’ humor that went along with it), likewise for Fairly Odd Parents in their 6th season with the introduction of the character Poof. Cringeworthy shows like the Mighty B and Fanboy & Chum Chum are now on the air. I could go on and on. The only redeemable thing about 2008 for Nickelodeon was that the ‘Splat’ logo was still in usage, but in 2009 that’s would ultimately change as well.

-Disney Channel didn’t really have any more changes this year. However, with That’s So Raven ending in 2007, and shows like Hannah Montana and Wizards of Waverly Place already on the air, it suggests that 2008 was the first truly modern year for the channel. Not to mention the popularity of Camp Rock in summer of 2008, which was the nail in the coffin for good DCOMs on the network, this still remains arguably the worst DCOM ever in the history of Disney Channel. Let’s not forget Disney’s inherent obsession with the Jonas Brothers by this point. The only saving grace was Zach & Cody, which ended in 08’...... but hey, Suite Life on Deck was still good enough. Also, you had Phineas & Ferb which was a good cartoon. But outside of that, 2008 fully signaled the modern age of Disney Channel, and not in a good way.


That’s it for now, but I’ll definitely make a list for other election years if you’re interested. But overall, it seems that a lot of these major changes tend to occur during election years.

I disagree with Camp Rock being the worst DCOM of all-time. There are far worse DCOMs than Camp Rock that come out BEFORE and AFTER it.

I disagree with Camp Rock being the worst DCOM of all-time. There are far worse DCOMs than Camp Rock that come out BEFORE and AFTER it.


I never found Cheetah Girls that spectacular, and I was only 7 when that came out. The thing is though, High School Musical had more of an impact on Disney Channel's future than Cheetah Girls, due to the fact that HSM was the highest viewed DCOM of all time. I agree that Camp Rock wasn't the worst. A lot of people liked Camp Rock actually, but I can't give my opinion on that movie because I had stopped watching Disney Channel by then.

I never found Cheetah Girls that spectacular, and I was only 7 when that came out. The thing is though, High School Musical had more of an impact on Disney Channel's future than Cheetah Girls, due to the fact that HSM was the highest viewed DCOM of all time. I agree that Camp Rock wasn't the worst. A lot of people liked Camp Rock actually, but I can't give my opinion on that movie because I had stopped watching Disney Channel by then.


I loathed it when it came out 8-P. But then again, I wasn't really the target audience for that movie any way. Im sure as that it was aimed at 9-11 year old 'tweenage' girls, which I totally didn't fit that category ;D.

But in all seriousness though, this was the only era of DCOMs that mattered;

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I loathed it when it came out 8-P. But then again, I wasn't really the target audience for that movie any way. Im sure as that it was aimed at 9-11 year old 'tweenage' girls, which I totally didn't fit that category ;D.

But in all seriousness though, this was the only era of DCOMs that mattered;

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I'm sure every girl 6 & up at the time loved Cheetah Girls. My cousins born in 1994 and 1997 watched the premiere in August 2003 and they were talking about it EVERY SINGLE day and many other girls in elementary school were talking about how they wanted to buy their clothes and merchandise!  ::)  I remember seeing promos for Cheetah Girls and Freaky Friday throughout summer 2003, and I was like Freaky Friday looks interesting, but Cheetah Girls looked unappealing to me. Only Raven Samone caught my immediate attention because I fell in love with That's So Raven around the same time. Now I swear I used to think Mariah Carey was one of the Cheetah Girls but knowing her age now that wouldn't have made any sense anyway.  ;D I think I got her confused with the Brazilian girl or the other light skin girl.

I loathed it when it came out 8-P. But then again, I wasn't really the target audience for that movie any way. Im sure as that it was aimed at 9-11 year old 'tweenage' girls, which I totally didn't fit that category ;D.

But in all seriousness though, this was the only era of DCOMs that mattered;

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Personally I'd extend until 2006 with Wendy Wu Homecoming Warrior (with HSM being the outlier of course which started the transition). There were still some good DCOM in 2004 and 2005 IMO, like Halloweentown High, Twitches, Zenon: Z3, Kim Possible: So The Drama, The Proud Family Movie, Stuck In The Suburbs, and Life Is Ruff. I didn't like all the movies though, 2003 & earlier were superior obviously, but there were still some memorable ones out there.

This is turning into a Disney Channel thread ;D.

Anyways, my favorite era of DCOMs was from 2001-2007. There are DCOMs that came out from 1997-2000 that I like and there are DCOMs from 2008-2011 (last time I watched a DCOM) that I liked. However, I have the highest affinity for MOST of the DCOMs that came out from '01 to '07.

The Suite Life Movie was the last DCOM that I watched.

I loathed it when it came out 8-P. But then again, I wasn't really the target audience for that movie any way. Im sure as that it was aimed at 9-11 year old 'tweenage' girls, which I totally didn't fit that category ;D.

But in all seriousness though, this was the only era of DCOMs that mattered;

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Guys tend to outgrow Disney channel faster than girls. I enjoyed it and im the same age as you and mqg, tho watching it again it definitely feels cringy that demi would just flat out lie about her mom being a cheif thinking that she wouldn't fit in. My 92 born cousin enjoyed it to and he was well past the Disney channel age at the time. The dcoms after camp rock were so-so. The last one that I enjoyed was Let it Shine from 2012 and that was well after I stopped watching disney. I related to that movie because the main cast was a black church-going family and the star of the movie was Tyler James from Everybody Hates Chris. Definitely worth a watch since Disney doesn't typically air a lot of African American dcoms like they did in the 90s and 00s.

I never found Cheetah Girls that spectacular, and I was only 7 when that came out. The thing is though, High School Musical had more of an impact on Disney Channel's future than Cheetah Girls, due to the fact that HSM was the highest viewed DCOM of all time. I agree that Camp Rock wasn't the worst. A lot of people liked Camp Rock actually, but I can't give my opinion on that movie because I had stopped watching Disney Channel by then.
I prefer Cheetah girls 2 over 1 but it was interesting that one of the girls was adopted (since I was also adopted) not something you'll typically hear about in a kids movie. The 3rd one lost me with raven not being present. HSM definitely had a bigger impact on Disney Channel overall with HSM 3 having a theatrical release which was rare for supposed to be tv movie series. Cheetah Girls definitely was no slouch i remember seeing some cheetah girl 2 merch in the summer of 2006 along HSM merch at Walmart.

Guys tend to outgrow Disney channel faster than girls.


This is very true. We forget this, but Disney Channel and Snick/The N/Teen Nick part of Nickelodeon were targeted towards an older audience, I would say about 8-14 year old's overall but for guys it would cut off earlier especially if it was too girly. However, I'm sure the majority of kids start watching sitcoms between 6 and 8. I could NOT get into any sitcom until I was 7, and That's So Raven is the only reason why I gave other sitcoms and live-action movies on Disney Channel a chance. Later on I got into Drake & Josh as as well. Colorful cartoons on the TV screen catch your attention at an earlier age. That's why I wouldn't be surprised if anyone were into Disney animated movies/shows, nicktoons, or cartoon cartoons since they were in pre-K or Kindergarten coming back home from school. Sitcoms on the other hand, you don't really get that dialogue until you're an upperclassman in elementary school. That's why I could NEVER get into Lizzie McGuire, and I regret that I wasn't able to enjoy Even Stevens when that was on regularly. There are exceptions tho. I feel like the Amanda Show was a more of a kiddy sitcom because of the silly skits although there were pop cultural references in there you'd probably had to be older at the time to understand. Hannah Montana was supposed to target tweens, but due to the heavily cheesy/corny plot, that show captured the attention of mainly girls in their single digits, and the merchandise throughout the time can prove that.

This is very true. We forget this, but Disney Channel and Snick/The N/Teen Nick part of Nickelodeon were targeted towards an older audience, I would say about 8-14 year old's overall but for guys it would cut off earlier especially if it was too girly. However, I'm sure the majority of kids start watching sitcoms between 6 and 8. I could NOT get into any sitcom until I was 7, and That's So Raven is the only reason why I gave other sitcoms and live-action movies on Disney Channel a chance. Later on I got into Drake & Josh as as well. Colorful cartoons on the TV screen catch your attention at an earlier age. That's why I wouldn't be surprised if anyone were into Disney animated movies/shows, nicktoons, or cartoon cartoons since they were in pre-K or Kindergarten coming back home from school. Sitcoms on the other hand, you don't really get that dialogue until you're an upperclassman in elementary school. That's why I could NEVER get into Lizzie McGuire, and I regret that I wasn't able to enjoy Even Stevens when that was on regularly. There are exceptions tho. I feel like the Amanda Show was a more of a kiddy sitcom because of the silly skits although there were pop cultural references in there you'd probably had to be older at the time to understand. Hannah Montana was supposed to target tweens, but due to the heavily cheesy/corny plot, that show captured the attention of mainly girls in their single digits, and the merchandise throughout the time can prove that.
Not the girls in my area tons of teenage girls i knew watched Hannah Montana. I remember in 9th grade the girls were so sad when Hannah Montana was ending.