The 2000s were a odd decade growing up....
It featured many things that changed America, and impacted people to who they are today in many ways. But the beginning of the decade things looked very very bright. Coming of a boom period, some thought what could go wrong. Well.... at first plenty. I'll pretty much only discuss the most notables I can think of off the top of my head.


The dot.com bubble bust took place in mid 2000, Bush became president and was viewed as a laughingstock and incompetent leader pre 9/11. Then.... on September 11th, at the world trade center in NYC; the twin towers came crashing down thanks to an horrific terrorist attack on our nation. In 2003, it was decided we were going to war in Iraq. We witnessed several natural disasters in the mid 2000s such as Tsunami of 2004 and Hurricane Katrina in 2005. In 2007 at Virgin a Tech college, a Chinese gunman opened fired and killed many students and some faculty. It ended up being the deadliest, school shooting RIGHT behind the Bath school massacre in 1927. In 2008 the economy had a crash ;reading to the worst times since the great depression.  :o


Those tragedies that I discussed impacted lives and even changed america's identity and perception to a degree. But.... it feels like they are NOTHING compared to what's been going on the past few years. In the early part of the decade you had the Fort Hood shooting and Trayvon Martin's death. But... then in later in 2012 things started to change. You had the Colorado Theater Massacre, Hurricane Sandy, and then the Sandy Hook elementary shooting, :\'( :\'( :\'( ! Then it felt like a relative quite year in 2013 until 2014 saw the rise of ISIS, ebola, the deaths of Eric Garner and Mike Brown which divided people and started changing society again. In 2015 things really started getting crazy with the SJWs, feminazis, overly PC crap, Church shooting in Carolina,Freddie Gray shooting, race issues here in my town of Missouri, San Barnadino  and then the Paris attacks in Brussles etc. and 2016 things have reached a boiling point. We have seen too many tragedies within DAYS or WEEKS from each other. Pulse night club shooting, black men are getting shot and killed by the cops AGAIN, and recently there has been a tragedy in France where 84 people got killed and over 200 being critical.

Despite the tragedies that happened in the 00s, the times seemed better to live in than the current era.

It seemed like in the 2000s issues dealt with political stuff such as 9/11, post 9/11 patriotism, war on terror, Iraq, backlash against bush, economics etc. This decade seems to deal more with personal issues such as race relations, random terrorists attacks, random shootings, black men being killed by police, Political Correctness, SJWs, extreme feminism, LGBT movement/issues etc.

People may have talked all kinds of sh*t about the 2000s but the 2010s make the decade seem like utopia.....

I honestly can say with the exception of 9/11, the 2000s decade tragedies don't have the lasting impact that this decade's has. We were just so spoiled after having won the first Gulf War, collapsing communism, and having an economic boom in the '90s. Sure, the '90s had the Oklahoma City bombing, the Columbine Massacre, Bosnian war, but honestly those were all isolated, out of the blue incidents that didn't happen frequently enough to question our defense system, and every decade has its share of similar tragedies. But the mid-2010s has had so many of these incidents that it really makes you have the notion to prepare for the unexpected and to know where to react should a shooter be on the loose.

Remember, technology with social media allows for incidents to be processed at a minute's notice
worldwide, and unfortunately this tech is starting to reach the boiling point where humanity's security influence is weakening. Security is tighter than ever, political correctness more stringent than ever, and a "we don't care" mentality that has lead to greater paranoia.

9/11 was just one event that happened within 1 day of 1 month. Although it did effect things politically in the long tun, but from an everyday pop cultural standpoint everything was fine. In the 2010s we've been having so many tragedies that happened within just a few weeks of each other. It's insane.

9/11 was just one event that happened within 1 day of 1 month. Although it did effect things politically in the long tun, but from an everyday pop cultural standpoint everything was fine. In the 2010s we've been having so many tragedies that happened within just a few weeks of each other. It's insane.


Just about every week or every other week there's been a shooting of some sort.  ::)

Just about every week or every other week there's been a shooting of some sort.  ::)


Yeah, it amazes me on the fact that despite these shootings the 2010s still is on record of having the lowest rate of deaths/crime when compared to the previous decades.

If anyone has seen me post stuff on this forum for a whole year, you'll know that I hate the 2010s. This is the reason why I just can't stand it so much. It just seems like these attacks (and other political bullsh*t) never stop so damn much. I may grew up in the 2000s, where 9/11, Hurricane Katrina, the Iraq War, War on Terror, George W. Bush's presidency, al-Qaeda, Osama Bin Laden, and the Great Recession were frequent political/social topics in the decade. It might be the reason why a lot of people don't like the decade so much, but at least it didn't have frequent mass shootings that keep coming on the news since 2012. Everything about 2012-2016 we're all f*cking terrible to me.

I can't stand for the fact that I keep seeing this sh*t every day of my adolescent life, all because people (especially white Christians) don't like Obama. It's not just from the content of his character, but by the color of his skin. Maybe if these people could acknowledge that we ALMOST got our country f*cked because we did a terrible recession during late 2008, then there could be a reason why Obama was elected in the first place.

I could take any day from the 2000s and I could like it better than the 2010s in general. I can't stand for the fact that barely anything interests me in this decade, and that it makes me cringe whenever I see the 2016 election on the news. It's just bizarre to have Trump as our nominee, despite the fact that he doesn't really care about being president. I know that politics seem to have a negative effect towards everybody in every single decade, but this one just takes the cake on how godawful it is nowadays. At least in the 2000s, it wouldn't keep reporting so many shootings/terrorist attacks every day in my life. Especially when it has cool pop culture that I could enjoy very much. It just makes me feel happy whenever I see or hear something from the 2000s, that it just reminds me of my childhood self. For the fact that it had most of my favorite shows, video games, movies, and stuff on the Internet, it just seemed like the decade was awesome to me.

If anyone has seen me post stuff on this forum for a whole year, you'll know that I hate the 2010s. This is the reason why I just can't stand it so much. It just seems like these attacks (and other political bullsh*t) never stop so damn much. I may grew up in the 2000s, where 9/11, Hurricane Katrina, the Iraq War, War on Terror, George W. Bush's presidency, al-Qaeda, Osama Bin Laden, and the Great Recession were frequent political/social topics in the decade. It might be the reason why a lot of people don't like the decade so much, but at least it didn't have frequent mass shootings that keep coming on the news since 2012. Everything about 2012-2016 we're all f*cking terrible to me.

I can't stand for the fact that I keep seeing this sh*t every day of my life, all because people (especially white Christians) don't like Obama. It's not just from the content of his character, but by the color of his skin. Maybe if these people could acknowledge that we ALMOST got our country f*cked because we did a terrible recession during late 2008, then there could be a reason why Obama was elected in the first place.

I could take any day from the 2000s and I could like it better than the 2010s in general. I can't stand for the fact that barely anything interests me in this decade, and that it makes me cringe whenever I see the 2016 election on the news. It's just bizarre to have Trump as our nominee, despite the fact that he doesn't really care about being president. I know that politics seem to have a negative effect towards everybody in every single decade, but this one just takes the cake on how godawful it is nowadays. At least in the 2000s, it wouldn't keep reporting so many shootings/terrorist attacks every day in my life. Especially when it has cool pop culture that I could enjoy very much. It just makes me feel happy whenever I see or hear something from the 2000s, that it just reminds me of my childhood self. For the fact that it had most of my favorite shows, video games, movies, and stuff on the Internet, it just seemed like the decade was awesome to me.


Could also help that since you were younger at the time you weren't bothered (or aware) of the economical/politcal issues. Kid culture remained unchanged for the most part in the 2000s. Now you're in your teens have a good understanding on the craziness that's been going on. 2010s overall has me mixed in terms of opinion really. I don't hate it, but I do find it to be bland in some areas.

Could also help that since you were younger at the time you weren't bothered (or aware) of the economical/politcal issues. Kid culture remained unchanged for the most part in the 2000s. Now you're in your teens have a good understanding on the craziness that's been going on. 2010s overall has me mixed in terms of opinion really. I don't hate it, but I do find it to be bland in some areas.


Well, kid culture in the 2000s just seemed to be okay for the most part. Although, 2009 seemed to change for me towards kid culture, when Nickelodeon rebranded themselves.

I agree Eric! As someone who was aware of the 2000s atmosphere, it definitely wasn't as horrific as today. I watched the news back then and there wasn't many reports regarding shootings, bombings or other acts of terrorism. I mean there was Katrina, 9/11 and Iraq that were just as terrible; however, they either only occured for a few days or just one day of the year. All those attacks did not occur on a daily basis like today. It honestly sucks though and I hope that it does decrease soon. Having a tragedy after tragedy after a few days or weeks is not the business. >:(

The 2000s were a odd decade growing up....
It featured many things that changed America, and impacted people to who they are today in many ways. But the beginning of the decade things looked very very bright. Coming of a boom period, some thought what could go wrong. Well.... at first plenty. I'll pretty much only discuss the most notables I can think of off the top of my head.


The dot.com bubble bust took place in mid 2000, Bush became president and was viewed as a laughingstock and incompetent leader pre 9/11. Then.... on September 11th, at the world trade center in NYC; the twin towers came crashing down thanks to an horrific terrorist attack on our nation. In 2003, it was decided we were going to war in Iraq. We witnessed several natural disasters in the mid 2000s such as Tsunami of 2004 and Hurricane Katrina in 2005. In 2007 at Virgin a Tech college, a Chinese gunman opened fired and killed many students and some faculty. It ended up being the deadliest, school shooting RIGHT behind the Bath school massacre in 1927. In 2008 the economy had a crash ;reading to the worst times since the great depression.  :o


Those tragedies that I discussed impacted lives and even changed america's identity and perception to a degree. But.... it feels like they are NOTHING compared to what's been going on the past few years. In the early part of the decade you had the Fort Hood shooting and Trayvon Martin's death. But... then in later in 2012 things started to change. You had the Colorado Theater Massacre, Hurricane Sandy, and then the Sandy Hook elementary shooting, :\'( :\'( :\'( ! Then it felt like a relative quite year in 2013 until 2014 saw the rise of ISIS, ebola, the deaths of Eric Garner and Mike Brown which divided people and started changing society again. In 2015 things really started getting crazy with the SJWs, feminazis, overly PC crap, Church shooting in Carolina,Freddie Gray shooting, race issues here in my town of Missouri, San Barnadino  and then the Paris attacks in Brussles etc. and 2016 things have reached a boiling point. We have seen too many tragedies within DAYS or WEEKS from each other. Pulse night club shooting, black men are getting shot and killed by the cops AGAIN, and recently there has been a tragedy in France where 84 people got killed and over 200 being critical.

Despite the tragedies that happened in the 00s, the times seemed better to live in than the current era.

It seemed like in the 2000s issues dealt with political stuff such as 9/11, post 9/11 patriotism, war on terror, Iraq, backlash against bush, economics etc. This decade seems to deal more with personal issues such as race relations, random terrorists attacks, random shootings, black men being killed by police, Political Correctness, SJWs, extreme feminism, LGBT movement/issues etc.

People may have talked all kinds of sh*t about the 2000s but the 2010s make the decade seem like utopia.....


It truly is sad how the 2010s feels so.......eruptive as if it is leading to something big that will turn for the worse ( i hope not)

Sidenote : it's your opinion and thus your experiences and all but, i find it a bit weird how you mention extreme feminism (which i'm not really seeing to be honest) sjw's and political correctness ( I could see where you are coming from if you consider these as huge problems of the 2010s which i personally do not)

The thing is in most of the 2000s you didn't have social media really (not till the end and it was far less developed than today even then) and constant bad news spreading instantly. Most didn't have smartphones giving them alerts on the latest shooting every day. That's basically what goes on today in the 2010s. When 9/11 happened we watched it on TV and listened to the radio...today if such an event happened it everybody's smartphones would be going off and everybody would be commenting and writing essays on "social media" about the event. A big reason I hate the 2010s is how everything is so in your face, and people thought the 2000s were overly connected but it's WAY worse now. It's obviously going to get worse and paranoia, fear, conspiracy theories will keep spreading like wildfire over every bad news story.

The thing is in most of the 2000s you didn't have social media really (not till the end and it was far less developed than today even then) and constant bad news spreading instantly. Most didn't have smartphones giving them alerts on the latest shooting every day. That's basically what goes on today in the 2010s. When 9/11 happened we watched it on TV and listened to the radio...today if such an event happened it everybody's smartphones would be going off and everybody would be commenting and writing essays on "social media" about the event. A big reason I hate the 2010s is how everything is so in your face, and people thought the 2000s were overly connected but it's WAY worse now. It's obviously going to get worse and paranoia, fear, conspiracy theories will keep spreading like wildfire over every bad news story.


Another reason why I hate this decade so much. I know conspiracy theories happened since the media was around, but you could see conspiracy theories everywhere. YouTube, Facebook, Twitter, and a bunch of other social media sources that somehow got a lot of followers. It actually creeps me out that thousands of people would believe this stuff, despite the fact that there's obvious evidence over what specific news reports had.

It was a hard time to live in.

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It was a hard time to live in.

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Right now it's even harder.
I wasn't ''of age'' in the 2000s..... So I guess it was tougher for someone like you.

Right now it's even harder.
I wasn't ''of age'' in the 2000s..... So I guess it was tougher for someone like you.


On a serious note, yes the 2010's are darker than the 00's. Perhaps the late 10's will be very hectic and crazy.

It was a hard time to live in.

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Ehh... at least it wasn't as bad as the decade of which the old lady came from. I'll rather go deal with George W. Bush than deal with a time where white supremacy was the norm. *shudders*

In American history, the decade from hell would be the 1860's, 1930's, or 1940's.

Ehh... at least it wasn't as bad as the decade of which the old lady came from. I'll rather go deal with George W. Bush than deal with a time where white supremacy was the norm. *shudders*


I had to churn butter in 2006. It was very hard.

I had to churn butter in 2006. It was very hard.

Damn! That must have sucked. :o

On a serious note, yes the 2010's are darker than the 00's. Perhaps the late 10's will be very hectic and crazy.


I honestly think that the late 2010s would be a time where normalcy could calm people down, especially after the 2016 election.

Damn! That must have sucked. :o


;D

I honestly think that the late 2010s would be a time where normalcy could calm people down, especially after the 2016 election.


Time will tell.

The 00s felt darker than the 2010s in my opinion.

There was a time of post-9/11 patriotism lasting from 2001-2004, where Bush was generally well-liked. But with his second term, people turned on him quickly, and the tone of the 00s became one of skepticism and pessimism, imo. By 2005, it seemed the emperor no longer had clothes.

In American history, the decade from hell would be the 1860's, 1930's, or 1940's.


All of those decades you mentioned were pretty much like hell. In the 1860s, you had to deal with the Civil War (along with Reconstruction, which failed miserably). In the 1930s, you had to deal with the Great Depression, despite having FDR as president which was really cool. Especially when I could somehow tolerate the 30s, because that's when cartoons started to get mainstream. In the 1940s, you not only have to worry about the Axis Powers taking over the world, but you also had to deal with violent attacks that were just terrifying.


I had to churn butter in 2006. It was very hard.


I just bet that's a joke, because there's no way in hell that people would churn butter in the 21st century. Especially back in 2006.

The 00s felt darker than the 2010s in my opinion.

There was a time of post-9/11 patriotism lasting from 2001-2004, where Bush was generally well-liked. But with his second term, people turned on him quickly, and the tone of the 00s became one of skepticism and pessimism, imo. By 2005, it seemed the emperor no longer had clothes.


Politically, I could say it was bad if you didn't like Bush so much. However, considering of how lots of people could believe Bush more than Trump in the 2000s, I would rather deal with that. I could never imagine a Trump presidency, even though he doesn't want to do the work.

All of those decades you mentioned were pretty much like hell. In the 1860s, you had to deal with the Civil War (along with Reconstruction, which failed miserably). In the 1930s, you had to deal with the Great Depression, despite having FDR as president which was really cool. Especially when I could somehow tolerate the 30s, because that's when cartoons started to get mainstream. In the 1940s, you not only have to worry about the Axis Powers taking over the world, but you also had to deal with violent attacks that were just terrifying.

I just bet that's a joke, because there's no way in hell that people would churn butter in the 21st century. Especially in 2006.

Hipsters would :)

I don't know if Bush is the worst president ever, but he was nevertheless a very poor one (in my opinion, if you like him that's your opinion).

In American history, the decade from hell would be the 1860's, 1930's, or 1940's.


Pretty much. 1930s and it's Great Depression is insane. Basically the Great Recession, but lasts for a whole decade. And 1940s had both WW2 and the Cold War happening along with other troubles. Everyone either struggling or put on edge. I pray that we don't end up like the 1930s-1940s or even 1860.

The 00s felt darker than the 2010s in my opinion.

There was a time of post-9/11 patriotism lasting from 2001-2004, where Bush was generally well-liked. But with his second term, people turned on him quickly, and the tone of the 00s became one of skepticism and pessimism, imo. By 2005, it seemed the emperor no longer had clothes.

Politically speaking I guess....
But life tragedies did not occur CONSISTENTLY as this decade has been. This decade has had police killings, black men getting killed by police, protests race issues, terrorists attacks, lgbt and pc issues. I have no clue how you think Bush and his downfall is more depressing than the things I just mentioned.

Hipsters would :)


Nah, they wouldn't. That would be something which Amish people would love to do, since they hate all sorts of modern technology.

Pretty much. 1930s and it's Great Depression is insane. Basically the Great Recession, but lasts for a whole decade. And 1940s had both WW2 and the Cold War happening along with other troubles. Everyone either struggling or put on edge. I pray that we don't end up like the 1930s-1940s or even 1860.


I highly doubt that we'll live in an era where it's similar towards the 1860s-1940s. :(

Politically speaking I guess....
But life tragedies did not occur CONSISTENTLY as this decade has been. This decade has had police killings, black men getting killed by police, protests race issues, terrorists attacks, lgbt and pc issues. I have no clue how you think Bush and his downfall is more depressing than the things I just mentioned.


I wholeheartedly agree, tell this to Zelek. Those tragedies happening on a CONSISTENT basis weekly is more dangerous than the backlash against Bush. As bad as 9/11 or Hurricane Katrina were, that was a 4 year gap, not a weekly gap like what's been going on since last year or so. Our lives are more important than political stuff. When I hear police shootings, protest race issues, terrorist attacks, or ISIS stuff happening on a monthly or weekly basis, I feel more life threatened than ever now. I may have been a kid during the 2000's, but even people born in the 70's and 80's agree that this decade (at least since the mid 2010's have began) have been way more tragic on a consistent basis than the 2000's.

The thing is in most of the 2000s you didn't have social media really (not till the end and it was far less developed than today even then) and constant bad news spreading instantly. Most didn't have smartphones giving them alerts on the latest shooting every day. That's basically what goes on today in the 2010s. When 9/11 happened we watched it on TV and listened to the radio...today if such an event happened it everybody's smartphones would be going off and everybody would be commenting and writing essays on "social media" about the event. A big reason I hate the 2010s is how everything is so in your face, and people thought the 2000s were overly connected but it's WAY worse now. It's obviously going to get worse and paranoia, fear, conspiracy theories will keep spreading like wildfire over every bad news story.


THANK YOU!!!! Finally somebody brought up the truth on here! Love this ENTIRE post! Probably the jackpot of this entire thread so far! Constant news spreading more instantly with how advanced social media is nowadays has impacted society greatly! It was until the late 2000's (not early or mid 2000's) when social media fully took over 100% but even then like you said it wasn't as advanced as fast paced as it's become today.

http://images.t-nation.com/forum_images/auto/r/786x0/1/e/1e2f7_ORIG-bowdown_gif.gif

I highly doubt that we'll live in an era where it's similar towards the 1860s-1940s. :(

You haven't seen what the 2020s might bring...

The 2000s are a very peaceful decade, almost like the 90s when comparing it to the 2010s. The 2010s are just super crazy.

You haven't seen what the 2020s might bring...


Yeah, but it's not like it would be as bad as those eras.

To follow up from mpq96 and Brian what they mentioned has me a bit curious. You see from what online research has shown me despite their being so much tragedy as of late the 2010s is STILL the lowest decade in terms of crime/murders. The only reason we everyone is on edge is because of the fact that thinks to social media and whatnot news is now in your face whether you want to see it or not. There could be silly on something as small as a kid singing the ABCs with his own farts yet everyone will know about within minutes thinks to how easy news spread. When it came to things like crime or terror attacks there was a huge spike in the amounts of crime during the 1980s - 1990s according to internet charts/stats. But no one noticed anything back then since social media wasn't much of a thing. From the 2000s or before the you'd only really hear about the big crazy news.  But if social media did exist back then I guess that people would be just as worried as they are today.

In the 2000s or before you'd go:
"Street shooting? Eh, didn't know anything about that"
"Kidnappings? Oh wow I wonder when that happened."
"Bombings? Oh yeah I heard about that on the news. Was some insane sh!t."


In the 2010s it's basically:
"I can't believe how insane that street shooting was. 15-20 got caught in the cross fire"
"I just logged on to my twitter account and just saw that two girls from Ohio went missing"
"MAN, DID YOU HEAR ABOUT THE TWO GUYS THAT BLEW UP A COUNTY PARK?!"

Back then people would be shocked, but since you wouldn't always be aware of bad news all the time this meant that there would be time for you to calm down and forget about the event. Nowadays it's hard to forget about anything since so many websites and so people on social media will be talking about some terrible event. And what makes it worse is that all of this would happen in such a fast rate. There is no time to calm down and move. Everyone is on edge and terrified about what's happening.

Makes me wonder if things will get better within the future. If so then how?

I don't know if Bush is the worst president ever, but he was nevertheless a very poor one (in my opinion, if you like him that's your opinion).


Do you think the way he responded when on 9/11, he was reading to a bunch of kids till someone whispered in his ear that person said to him "We're being attacked"? ???

THANK YOU!!!! Finally somebody brought up the truth on here! Love this ENTIRE post! Probably the jackpot of this entire thread so far! Constant news spreading more instantly with how advanced social media is nowadays has impacted society greatly! It was until the late 2000's (not early or mid 2000's) when social media fully took over 100% but even then like you said it wasn't as advanced as fast paced as it's become today.

http://images.t-nation.com/forum_images/auto/r/786x0/1/e/1e2f7_ORIG-bowdown_gif.gif

Even the early 2010s didn't seem quite as social media-filled as today.

Even the early 2010s didn't seem quite as social media-filled as today.


Yeah. Even then, 2012 didn't seem to have a lot of shootings. I just dislike it because of how bad my personal life was at the time.

The 00s felt darker than the 2010s in my opinion.

There was a time of post-9/11 patriotism lasting from 2001-2004, where Bush was generally well-liked. But with his second term, people turned on him quickly, and the tone of the 00s became one of skepticism and pessimism, imo. By 2005, it seemed the emperor no longer had clothes.


I didn't want to wade into this thread because nostalgia is really hard to argue with, especially the childhood variety; people naturally forget the bad parts and remember only the good parts of the past. It's something I wish people would be more aware of. There's the type of nostalgia where you reminisce over a good time you had, then there's the nostalgia where you glorify a past that never happened and try to make things the way they were back then, finding it hard to accept that life and people move on. I think we see this insidious type of nostalgia have its effect on real world events, such as the Brexit results, trying to glorify a 1950s Britain that was never real, or the "Make America Great Again!" slogan that harks back to a time that wasn't so great for the vast majority of the US population. In that sense, I think nostalgia is closer to a maladie/affliction than it is to a basic emotion. If nostalgia is making you feel bad instead of good, then you're doing it wrong.

Now, for what you posted, I agree with what you're saying. The Bush years were really ugly, there wasn't a day after reading the news that I didn't want to bash my head in. Americans may (rightfully) concern themselves over the daily minutiae of the 2016 election, but for the rest of the world, it reads mostly like a comedy reality show given that Hillary has a 95%+ chance of winning. For the rest of the world, the 2004 election is the one with the serious dark undertones and real-world consequences.

http://markhumphrys.com/Bitmaps/mirror.jpg

That's the election that plunged the world into a state of almost permanent war and terror, and tops itself off with a massive economic downturn that world is still recovering from. That's all coming off the illegal war that was started in 2003 (and the other one in 2001) that has a body count of over 1.6 million and shot the oil prices through the stratosphere. The state of anger and shock that world was in in 2004 can't be underestimated. The British media recently, conservative and liberal in unison, dragged Tony Blair and his years in office through the mud after his recent defence of dragging the UK into the Iraq War. I suggest people search "iraq war blair" on Google News to read some of the recent articles.

Now, about the 2010s tragedies (which, let's be honest, is what this thread is really about, barely anyone is talking about the 2000s here), I want everyone to go their country's statistics bureau site and look up the statistics for a wide variety of indicators. Death by firearms, murders, hate crimes, police brutality, incarceration rates etc. You'll notice a trend, and that trend is that the 2010s (even 2016) is factually the most peaceful decade since the 1960s, across the board. This is not a US-specific trend either, it is global. This is not really up for debate or any level of subjectivity here, it's a fact. Now if the decade is so relatively peaceful, why is there so much social and racial unrest? It's simple and has been mentioned here before: social media. In the 2000s and before, minorities and the oppressed had NO platform to spread their message, there was no audience, no one would listen. What social media has done is given voice and power to those who previously had none. Does anyone here really think police brutality was not a problem before the 2010s? It would be a prespammersite opinion to hold. The 1992 LA riots should tell anyone, the relation between police and the black community has never been positive. It is only in this decade of smartphones with cameras and social media with millions of people listening at any given time that we see police being caught in the act, for their court hearings to be live-tweeted, and their decision of no indictment to come live then and there. It is only now that most of these crimes are coming to light, and it is only now that minorities have the voice to say enough is enough. Most people are not fans of the turbulence, but in my opinion, society is headed in the right direction. It is hard for me to get caught up in the day-to-day tribulations (admittedly partly because I'm not black and also because I don't live in the US).

Americans may (rightfully) concern themselves over the daily minutiae of the 2016 election, but for the rest of the world, it reads mostly like a comedy reality show given that Hillary has a 95%+ chance of winning. For the rest of the world, the 2004 election is the one with the serious dark undertones and real-world consequences.

That's the election that plunged the world into a state of almost permanent war and terror, and tops itself off with a massive economic downturn that world is still recovering from. That's all coming off the illegal war that was started in 2003 (and the other one in 2001) that has a body count of over 1.6 million and shot the oil prices through the stratosphere. The state of anger and shock that world was in in 2004 can't be underestimated. The British media recently, conservative and liberal in unison, dragged Tony Blair and his years in office through the mud after his recent defence of dragging the UK into the Iraq War. I suggest people search "iraq war blair" on Google News to read some of the recent articles.

You'll notice a trend, and that trend is that the 2010s (even 2016) is factually the most peaceful decade since the 1960s, across the board. This is not a US-specific trend either, it is global. This is not really up for debate or any level of subjectivity here, it's a fact. Now if the decade is so relatively peaceful, why is there so much social and racial unrest? It's simple and has been mentioned here before: social media. In the 2000s and before, minorities and the oppressed had NO platform to spread their message, there was no audience, no one would listen. What social media has done is given voice and power to those who previously had none. Does anyone here really think police brutality was not a problem before the 2010s? It would be a prespammersite opinion to hold. The 1993 LA riots should tell anyone, the relation between police and the black community has never been positive. It is only in this decade of smartphones with cameras and social media with millions of people listening at any given time that we see police being caught in the act, for their court hearings to be live-tweeted, and their decision of no indictment to come live then and there. It is only now that most of these crimes are coming to light, and it is only now that minorities have the voice to say enough is enough. Most people are not fans of the turbulence, but in my opinion, society is headed in the right direction.(admittedly partly because I'm not black and also because I don't live in the US).

Boy you must be crazy.... Knowing my history and hearing the stories, the 60s weren't peaceful.
You actually think the 2000s were darker than today? :-\\ And you think society is heading towards the right direction? ??? I don't even know how to react to what you just said....

I didn't want to wade into this thread because nostalgia is really hard to argue with, especially the childhood variety; people naturally forget the bad parts and remember only the good parts of the past. It's something I wish people would be more aware of. There's the type of nostalgia where you reminisce over a good time you had, then there's the nostalgia where you glorify a past that never happened, and try to make things the way they were back then, finding it hard to accept that life and people move on. I think we see this insidious type of nostalgia have its effect on real world events, such as the Brexit results, trying to glorify a 1950s Britain that was never real, or the "Make America Great Again!" slogan that harks back to a time that wasn't so great for the vast majority of the US population. In that sense, I think nostalgia is closer to a maladie/affliction than it is to a basic emotion. If nostalgia is making you feel bad instead of good, then you're doing it wrong.

Now, for what you posted, I agree with what you're saying. The Bush years were really ugly, there wasn't a day after reading the news that I didn't want to bash my head in. Americans may (rightfully) concern themselves over the daily minutiae of the 2016 election, but for the rest of the world, it reads mostly like a comedy reality show given that Hillary has a 95%+ chance of winning. For the rest of the world, the 2004 election is the one with the serious dark undertones and real-world consequences.

http://markhumphrys.com/Bitmaps/mirror.jpg

That's the election that plunged the world into a state of almost permanent war and terror, and tops itself off with a massive economic downturn that world is still recovering from. That's all coming off the illegal war that was started in 2003 (and the other one in 2001) that has a body count of over 1.6 million and shot the oil prices through the stratosphere. The state of anger and shock that world was in in 2004 can't be underestimated. The British media recently, conservative and liberal in unison, dragged Tony Blair and his years in office through the mud after his recent defence of dragging the UK into the Iraq War. I suggest people search "iraq war blair" on Google News to read some of the recent articles.

Now, about the 2010s tragedies (which, let's be honest, is what this thread is really about, barely anyone is talking about the 2000s here), I want everyone to go their country's statitics bureau site and look up the statistics for a wide variety of indicators. Death by firearms, murders, hate crimes, police brutality, incarceration rates etc. You'll notice a trend, and that trend is that the 2010s (even 2016) is factually the most peaceful decade since the 1960s, across the board. This is not a US-specific trend either, it is global. This is not really up for debate or any level of subjectivity here, it's a fact. Now if the decade is so relatively peaceful, why is there so much social and racial unrest? It's simple and has been mentioned here before: social media. In the 2000s and before, minorities and the oppressed had NO platform to spread their message, there was no audience, no one would listen. What social media has done is given voice and power to those who previously had none. Does anyone here really think police brutality was not a problem before the 2010s? It would be a prespammersite opinion to hold. The 1993 LA riots should tell anyone, the relation between police and the black community has never been positive. It is only in this decade of smartphones with cameras and social media with millions of people listening at any given time that we see police being caught in the act, for their court hearings to be live-tweeted, and their decision of no indictment to come live then and there. It is only now that most of these crimes are coming to light, and it is only now that minorities have the voice to say enough is enough. Most people are not fans of the turbulence, but in my opinion, society is headed in the right direction. It has hard for me to caught up in the day-to-day tribulations (admittedly partly because I'm not black and also because I don't live in the US).
;D ;D The LA riots occurred in 1992. However, you're right about the tensions between black folks and cops. It even goes beyond that. There seems to be there was never a point where blacks were able to trust cops (or even anyone else) due to the huge discrimination they prejudices they suffered from. Throughout history, they were treated as second class citizens and to the point where they weren't even considered people at all. It's exactly why they fought for civil rights in the first place back in the 19th and 20th centuries.  If you were black, you were unfortunately somehow seen as an ugly monster that needed to be neutralized for some reason. Even today, we still have less privileges. Yes, we have rights and all, but there many certain things that happen to us that don't happen to others. However, it's not just black folks either, every minority has been discriminated against because of what they are ranging from women, LGBT, disabled, weight etc. That's why there have been so many movements which still continue today, so everyone can finally be treated equally when they should have in the first place. Jefferson was clearly lying when he said "All men are created equal." If you were not a protestant, white, rich man and which still rings true today, then you're part of the 99% and no one  (not literally) gives a f**k about you.

Like MLK said, judge people by their character not by who or what they are. Some people unfortunately never seem to and still haven't got the message. 

I didn't want to wade into this thread because nostalgia is really hard to argue with, especially the childhood variety; people naturally forget the bad parts and remember only the good parts of the past. It's something I wish people would be more aware of. There's the type of nostalgia where you reminisce over a good time you had, then there's the nostalgia where you glorify a past that never happened, and try to make things the way they were back then, finding it hard to accept that life and people move on. I think we see this insidious type of nostalgia have its effect on real world events, such as the Brexit results, trying to glorify a 1950s Britain that was never real, or the "Make America Great Again!" slogan that harks back to a time that wasn't so great for the vast majority of the US population. In that sense, I think nostalgia is closer to a maladie/affliction than it is to a basic emotion. If nostalgia is making you feel bad instead of good, then you're doing it wrong.


I could agree with this, because of how most Americans don't really see the point of how "Making America Great Again" would slowly resolve into being a glorious country for whites. Although, considering that I recently watched a video on YouTube where Donald Trump was considered liberal on some points. Like of how he favored the LGBT community to have civil rights, especially with how he wanted to have LGBT supporters to vote for him as president of the United States. Here's the video if you want to know more what I'm talking about.

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Now, for what you posted, I agree with what you're saying. The Bush years were really ugly, there wasn't a day after reading the news that I didn't want to bash my head in. Americans may (rightfully) concern themselves over the daily minutiae of the 2016 election, but for the rest of the world, it reads mostly like a comedy reality show given that Hillary has a 95%+ chance of winning. For the rest of the world, the 2004 election is the one with the serious dark undertones and real-world consequences.

At least the 2004 election already expected Bush to win, considering of how committed America was to him. Especially when there was nothing else but to believe anything from him, since America was attacked by al-Qaeda during his first term. But considering of how his promises were to bring in more discrimination against the LGBT community, I'm not that surprised.

http://markhumphrys.com/Bitmaps/mirror.jpg

That's the election that plunged the world into a state of almost permanent war and terror, and tops itself off with a massive economic downturn that world is still recovering from. That's all coming off the illegal war that was started in 2003 (and the other one in 2001) that has a body count of over 1.6 million and shot the oil prices through the stratosphere. The state of anger and shock that world was in in 2004 can't be underestimated. The British media recently, conservative and liberal in unison, dragged Tony Blair and his years in office through the mud after his recent defence of dragging the UK into the Iraq War. I suggest people search "iraq war blair" on Google News to read some of the recent articles.


Conservatism. That's all I have to say. Although, not all conservatives would really agree with Bush, so I'm not going to expect that.


Now, about the 2010s tragedies (which, let's be honest, is what this thread is really about, barely anyone is talking about the 2000s here), I want everyone to go their country's statitics bureau site and look up the statistics for a wide variety of indicators. Death by firearms, murders, hate crimes, police brutality, incarceration rates etc. You'll notice a trend, and that trend is that the 2010s (even 2016) is factually the most peaceful decade since the 1960s, across the board. This is not a US-specific trend either, it is global. This is not really up for debate or any level of subjectivity here, it's a fact. Now if the decade is so relatively peaceful, why is there so much social and racial unrest? It's simple and has been mentioned here before: social media. In the 2000s and before, minorities and the oppressed had NO platform to spread their message, there was no audience, no one would listen. What social media has done is given voice and power to those who previously had none. Does anyone here really think police brutality was not a problem before the 2010s? It would be a prespammersite opinion to hold. The 1993 LA riots should tell anyone, the relation between police and the black community has never been positive. It is only in this decade of smartphones with cameras and social media with millions of people listening at any given time that we see police being caught in the act, for their court hearings to be live-tweeted, and their decision of no indictment to come live then and there. It is only now that most of these crimes are coming to light, and it is only now that minorities have the voice to say enough is enough. Most people are not fans of the turbulence, but in my opinion, society is headed in the right direction. It has hard for me to caught up in the day-to-day tribulations (admittedly partly because I'm not black and also because I don't live in the US).


1. There could be more reports about racial violence in the 80s and 90s, considering of how people had video cameras at the time. Despite the fact that most of the general population used them for home movies, they could've just them for recording specific incidents in their local area. That way, it could've been like that. Although, nobody wouldn't really care outside of the local area, unless they put that up on CNN or some other national news network at the time.

2. Even before the 1993 LA riots, it just shown that the police and various black communities don't really go well together. But I'm not going to say that ALL black people are hated against police officers. My grandpa (my dad's dad) was a cop for the NYPD in the 60s, 70s, and 80s. This was at the same time various riots happened, which was towards racial violence. Especially with the 1965 Watts Riot, which was 27 years before the LA riots happened.

3. You could maybe look up the tribulations, even if you're not black and don't even live in the U.S.

The point is that there wasn't a lot of incidents that became big not only towards local networks, but also national networks before the 2010s. In the 2000s and before, those many incidents would've been either part of a local news network, or was just never reported. I may be a kid in the 2000s, where I only cared about watching TV, playing with my toys, school, and my family's computer. However, it's not like the entire 2000s was that bad, just because Bush was president of a country that lots of people didn't even live in for crying out loud.

;D ;D The LA riots occurred in 1992. However, you're right about the tensions between black folks and cops. It even goes beyond that. There seems to be there was never a point where blacks were able to trust cops (or even anyone else) due to the huge discrimination they prejudices they suffered from. Throughout history, they were treated as second class citizens and to the point where they weren't even considered people at all. It's exactly why they fought for civil rights in the first place back in the 19th and 20th centuries.  If you were black, you were unfortunately somehow seen as an ugly monster that needed to be neutralized for some reason. Even today, we still have less privileges. Yes, we have rights and all, but there many certain things that happen to us that don't happen to others. However, it's not just black folks either, every minority has been discriminated against because of what they are ranging from women, LGBT, disabled, weight etc. That's why there have been so many movements which still continue today, so everyone can finally be treated equally when they should have in the first place. Jefferson was clearly lying when he said "All men are created equal." If you were not a protestant, white, rich man and which still rings true today, then you're part of the 99% and no one  (not literally) gives a f**k about you.

Like MLK said, judge people by their character not by who or what they are. Some people unfortunately never seem to and still haven't got the message.


Whoops, thanks for pointing that out. Yep, exactly, police brutality and accompanying racism goes back a long time, it's now that people are organizing and speaking up. I think the Jefferson quote could be read another way, in that we are all created equal at the moment of birth, it is only society itself that gives privileges to some and disadvantages to others.



1. There could be more reports about racial violence in the 80s and 90s, considering of how people had video cameras at the time. Despite the fact that most of the general population used them for home movies, they could've just them for recording specific incidents in their local area. That way, it could've been like that. Although, nobody wouldn't really care outside of the local area, unless they put that up on CNN or some other national news network at the time.

2. Even before the 1993 LA riots, it just shown that the police and various black communities don't really go well together. But I'm not going to say that ALL black people are hated against police officers. My grandpa (my dad's dad) was a cop for the NYPD in the 60s, 70s, and 80s. This was at the same time various riots happened, which was towards racial violence. Especially with the 1965 Watts Riot, which was 27 years before the LA riots happened.

3. You could maybe look up the tribulations, even if you're not black and don't even live in the U.S.

The point is that there wasn't a lot of incidents that became big not only towards local networks, but also national networks before the 2010s. In the 2000s and before, those many incidents would've been either part of a local news network, or was just never reported. I may be a kid in the 2000s, where I only cared about watching TV, playing with my toys, school, and my family's computer. However, it's not like the entire 2000s was that bad, just because Bush was president of a country that lots of people didn't even live in for crying out loud.


1. Nah, even in the late 90s and early 2000s, my dad was still using this monstrosity to record home videos.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/30/RCA_VHS_shoulder-mount_Camcorder.jpg

That's not portable in today's sense of the world. Nowadays, everyone has a camera in their pocket, and internet to connect with millions of others in second's notice.

2. I agree.

3. I only mentioned that because I could be speaking from a privileged position. I read the news everyday, but it doesn't have a huge personal impact on me like it does for some posters in this thread. The news as I read it, is happening in some far away place. For that reason, I concentrate on the general direction all of this is headed in, and it's people dismantling the status quo and replacing it with something better.

Now, about the 2010s tragedies (which, let's be honest, is what this thread is really about, barely anyone is talking about the 2000s here), I want everyone to go their country's statitics bureau site and look up the statistics for a wide variety of indicators. Death by firearms, murders, hate crimes, police brutality, incarceration rates etc. You'll notice a trend, and that trend is that the 2010s (even 2016) is factually the most peaceful decade since the 1960s, across the board. This is not a US-specific trend either, it is global.

Since I read lot of articles. I can say the main reason for the high crime rate back then mainly has to do with drugs and the formation of gangs. If you noticed, there are so many drugs that are glorified in the mainstream. There was the crack epidemic, PCP, cocaine and marijuana which were the most used drugs by folks distributed from other countries. Then looking at gangs, since black people weren't being treated with respect during the civil rights era thanks to white gangs, they formed the Black Panthers which was to fight back using violence. Then after the BP, the biggest gangs known as the Crips and Bloods began to form and to defend their turf against white folks. Then they spread like wildfire into all black communities and unfortunately, the two gangs somehow had a huge battle to where it escalated into a gang war against each other to protect their hoods and drugs. Because of them is why most black communities are seen as ghettos in the first place since they destroyed the peaceful environment surrounding black people. Then, with gangs and drugs mixed together, it creates a horrible combination that is destructive where some people lose their minds for no reason. With that info given, I can exactly tell you that is what truly contributed to the high crime rate to occur in the first place especially within black communities.

1. Nah, even in the late 90s and early 2000s, my dad was still using this monstrosity to record home videos.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/30/RCA_VHS_shoulder-mount_Camcorder.jpg

That's not portable in today's sense of the world. Nowadays, everyone has a camera in their pocket, and internet to connect with millions of others in second's notice.


The 1991 Rodney King incident was recorded over a video camera, and it got national attention for crying out loud. So, if people really used video cameras in the 90s and early 2000s, then we would've have a similar point towards what he have today. Although, I do think that it's getting more fierce because of how these incidents seem more violent than we had in the 2000s. I mean, the Orlando gay bar shooting had 49 people dead, which is a record for any shooting in the United States. That's how fierce it is towards this decade, whenever we're talking about it so much.


3. I only mentioned that because I could be speaking from a privileged position. I read the news everyday, but it doesn't have a huge personal impact on me like it does for some posters in this thread. The news as I read it, is happening in some far away place. For that reason, I concentrate on the general direction all of this is headed in, and it's people dismantling the status quo and replacing it with something better.


To be honest, neither of the news reports that we have nowadays don't really have a big personal impact on me. And I'm half black. But I do worry about this so much, because of how white nationalists are rising up to make their political beliefs mainstream. Especially with this kind of stuff being on the news.

For the love of god, guys, DON'T look at the comment sections of sites relating to these recent shootings. You will lose faith in humanity. :P


YouTube seems like the only place where people post horrendous comments on these shootings. I can't even stand for the fact that most of them are white supremacists.


The rise of the "alt right" throughout the Internet is rather disheartening.


One of the reasons why I don't feel proud of being political. Especially when the Alt-Right just seems like a large gang of Stormfront members who want to make their bullsh*t mainstream on the Internet. :-[

4chan's /pol/ board is more influential on the alt right than Stormfront, I think. Stormfront has been irrelevant for nearly a half-decade.


Yeah, but it's basically still a hub for white supremacists to talk about their hatred over various minorities. 4chan's /pol/ board is just like Stormfront, only all of their members seem anonymous.

Why are some people racist?  ???

Why are some people racist?  ???


Because people have freedom of speech to speak out on their views. Even if it's racist, sexist, misogynistic, homophobic, or whatever, they're completely allowed to say this stuff anywhere (except for countries that don't endorse freedom of speech).

Because people have freedom of speech to speak out on their views. Even if it's racist, sexist, misogynistic, homophobic, or whatever, they're completely allowed to say this stuff anywhere (except for countries that don't endorse freedom of speech).

Here in Canada we have laws over hate speech and I am quite happy of that. The "freedom of speech" in America makes it even less free ironically.

Here in Canada we have laws over hate speech and I am quite happy of that. The "freedom of speech" in America makes it even less free ironically.


Yeah, I like of how Canada has that law. It doesn't have to make me worry about other people, since it's already against the law to commit a hate crime against me in your country. Especially when they are impetuous over it, unlike the United States.

Yeah, I like of how Canada has that law. It doesn't have to make me worry about other people, since it's already against the law to commit a hate crime against me in your country. Especially when they are impetuous over it, unlike the United States.


I heard they have it in France too.

I don't know how well some of you guys remember the atmosphere of the early '00s, but that was a truly terrifying period. It wasn't just about 9/11, after that there was a string of incidences that kept that nation on edge for quite some time. You had the Anthrax Scare of October 2001, the Shoe Bomber Richard Reid in December 2001, the teenager that killed himself by crashing a plane into a building in Florida in early 2002, and, of course, the D.C. Sniper attacks in the fall of 2002. I remember that one of the victims of the D.C. snipers was a teenager about my age that was shot while walking to school. Even in a small town like my own, I was kind of scared to walk down the block while all that was going on. Not to mention that George W. Bush had, like, an 80% job approval rating around this time, so if you even so much as spoke out against him or the Afghanistan or Iraq wars, there was a good chance you were gonna get shoved in a locker.

The mid '00s were a bit more chill, but you still had Hurricane Katrina (the worst natural disaster in U.S. history), the 2004 Tsunami, and Iraq spiraling out of control in 2005-06. The economy was basically the only decent thing going throughout much of the '00s, and that went down the tubes in 2008 as well. I think alot of people forget that the main reason Obama's "Hope and Change" campaign was so popular in 2008 was because of how terrible a position people thought the country was in at that time. Bush had a 25% approval rating in late 2008, the lowest since Jimmy Carter in the equally dismal year of 1980.

Now, all that's not to necessarily say that things aren't worse in the '10s than they were in '00s. That's a completely objective opinion that is totally reasonable to have. I just feel like that, as a decade fades further and further into history, we tend to shift the bad to the back of our memories.

Yet somehow the 2010s still has the lowest national murder/crime rates that we've seen in decades. Crime/Death were at an all time high in the 1980s-1990s and started declining in the 2000s to what it is now.

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/images/murderrate.png
http://d35brb9zkkbdsd.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/best_year_graphics-05.png
http://content.gallup.com/origin/gallupinc/GallupSpaces/Production/Cms/POLL/ldah6rdp6ukvngoyqi1fcg.gif
http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/files/2013/05/SDT-2013-05-gun-crime-1-2.png
http://www.statista.com/graphic/1/191219/reported-violent-crime-rate-in-the-usa-since-1990.jpg
http://www.freerangekids.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/Decline-of-Murder-and-Rape.png

And this final one is a bit funny
https://opportunityagenda.org/files/images/1.png

Disclaimer: None of these charts show 2016. Gonna have to wait and see if the amount of deaths end up hitting a high spike in the end year reports.


So many reports point out that despite the latest tragedies the amount of crime/deaths have been on a decline since we hit the 2000s onward versus the 1980s-1990s where it shows that tragedies were at a crazy high amount. No one just cared back then due to not being able having access to internet or social media meaning all those tragedies would go unnoticed by a lot of people. Nowadays you could blow your nose and everyone knows about it. Even with things like 9/11 the amount of deaths in 2001 was still lower than say the amount found in the years of the 1980s-1990s. Or at least this is what some quick googling tells me anyways.

My question is how long before the crime rates start hitting high spikes again.

I think that crime peaked in 1993. I'm not sure, let me check! Nah, too lazy.

I think that crime peaked in 1993. I'm not sure, let me check! Nah, too lazy.


  :-\\ B-but being lazy is bad.  :( Or at least that's would I'd tell you if I wasn't lazy myself.

I'm thinking that the difference is that the crime rates in the 2010's is more about racism and religion (cough cough ISIS) more than ever before. Which is why it gets more attention. The gun laws don't help either. The crime rates back then, especially in the 80's, 90's, and 2000's, I'm not sure if it was about those specific things and it was just regular plain crime rates. Keep in mind there is a difference between committing a regular crime and a terrorist attack, and since late 2014/2015, and especially 2016, there seems to be more terrorist attacks (it's not just ISIS, it's the racial issues too even though the mainstream doesn't want to admit this) on a weekly basis more than ever before now. Social media is more out there in your face in the 2010's and people are finally speaking out about the problems now with certain races being treated differently, and so many people being ignorant on religions. Terrorist attacks over major issues cause war. Regular crimes do not. That's why you're seeing more turmoil take place here in the mid 2010's.

  :-\\ B-but being lazy is bad.  :( Or at least that's would I'd tell you if I wasn't lazy myself.


Most sources say 1991 to 1995 was the peak, after that things dropped. Could it be the booming economy of 1995, it helped influence less crime?

Wondering how all these racial issues started in the first place. And why NOW of all time periods? Wondering why things like racism and religion didn't seem as much of an issue back then as it does now?

I think that crime peaked in 1993. I'm not sure, let me check! Nah, too lazy.


My presence has made the world a safer place. To answer Toon's question, the crime rate will spike back up after I die  :o

Most sources say 1991 to 1995 was the peak, after that things dropped. Could it be the booming economy of 1995, it helped influence less crime?


Not entirely sure myself. Didn't think booming economy could have an effect on crime rates. From the research I've seen the peaks (or really just moments where the amounts of crime were increasing or already high) were between the 1980s-1990s. After the mid 1990s it seems to decline a bit from there onward.

But if booming economy influences less crime then why was the crime rate in moments like the Great Recession still pretty low? Seems I gotta get off my lazy butt and get back to some research.

I don't know how well some of you guys remember the atmosphere of the early '00s, but that was a truly terrifying period. It wasn't just about 9/11, after that there was a string of incidences that kept that nation on edge for quite some time. You had the Anthrax Scare of October 2001, the Shoe Bomber Richard Reid in December 2001, the teenager that killed himself by crashing a plane into a building in Florida in early 2002, and, of course, the D.C. Sniper attacks in the fall of 2002. I remember that one of the victims of the D.C. snipers was a teenager about my age that was shot while walking to school. Even in a small town like my own, I was kind of scared to walk down the block while all that was going on. Not to mention that George W. Bush had, like, an 80% job approval rating around this time, so if you even so much as spoke out against him or the Afghanistan or Iraq wars, there was a good chance you were gonna get shoved in a locker.

The mid '00s were a bit more chill, but you still had Hurricane Katrina (the worst natural disaster in U.S. history), the 2004 Tsunami, and Iraq spiraling out of control in 2005-06. The economy was basically the only decent thing going throughout much of the '00s, and that went down the tubes in 2008 as well. I think alot of people forget that the main reason Obama's "Hope and Change" campaign was so popular in 2008 was because of how terrible a position people thought the country was in at that time. Bush had a 25% approval rating in late 2008, the lowest since Jimmy Carter in the equally dismal year of 1980.

Now, all that's not to necessarily say that things aren't worse in the '10s than they were in '00s. That's a completely objective opinion that is totally reasonable to have. I just feel like that, as a decade fades further and further into history, we tend to shift the bad to the back of our memories.


This is the reason why the early 2000s weren't that good. Although, I did like 2002 and 2003, it wasn't as good as 2004 and 2005 in my opinion. Although, it has to deal more with pop culture than politics, since I was only a kid back in the '00s. But at least the mid '00s weren't that batsh*t insane over incidents like that.

My presence has made the world a safer place. To answer Toon's question, the crime rate will spike back up after I die  :o


Hope you found that potion that grants immortality, mate. We don't need you dying anytime soon.


As crazy as this sounds to people I only get very concerned when things like crime and murder reach to a crazy new height. Since we've been seeing nothing but a decline during the early 2000s onward I just haven't been on edge like everyone else has. But even still I do understand the issues that everyone is having over these events as these events are starting to bug me as well.

Wondering how all these racial issues started in the first place. And why NOW of all time periods? Wondering why things like racism and religion didn't seem as much of an issue back then as it does now?


Social mediaa. Hate crimes is another statistic that is trending downwards in the 2010s. It's only now that people who didn't have a voice are speaking up about it.

My presence has made the world a safer place. To answer Toon's question, the crime rate will spike back up after I die  :o


It is pink power???

Social mediaa. Hate crimes is another statistic that is trending downwards in the 2010s. It's only now that people who didn't have a voice are speaking up about it.


Well I figured social media was a part of the problem. If Social media didn't exist then I don't think we'd be having any of these topics since without the media we probably wouldn't even know about half of the current events taking place.

What mgq mentioned did have me thinking for a quick bit. I'm starting to think that it's not the deaths that have people on edge. Rather it's the reasons for the deaths like religion and racism that seem to put people in a stir up. People dying is something everyone hates, but they come to accept. We just move on with our lives. People dying because they're black or homosexual, however? Now that's something that's making the headlines and causing the uproars on social media.

It is pink power???


When Pink Yoshi, the god-tier character in Smash Bros., was invented in 1999, crime rates dipped to an all time low.

http://orig00.deviantart.net/e421/f/2015/294/4/9/pink_yoshi_in_super_smash_bros_4_by_armimason-d9dvcc9.jpg

Someone check when Birdo was created. We all know NOTHING about her is normal

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/f9/Birdo-MP9.png

When Pink Yoshi, the god-tier character in Smash Bros., was invented in 1999, crime rates dipped to an all time low.

http://orig00.deviantart.net/e421/f/2015/294/4/9/pink_yoshi_in_super_smash_bros_4_by_armimason-d9dvcc9.jpg

Someone check when Birdo was created. We all know NOTHING about her is normal

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/f9/Birdo-MP9.png


Birdo was created with Mario Lost Levels in 1987. Which was a time when crime rates we already high yet still increasing.

When Pink Yoshi, the god-tier character in Smash Bros., was invented in 1999, crime rates dipped to an all time low.

http://orig00.deviantart.net/e421/f/2015/294/4/9/pink_yoshi_in_super_smash_bros_4_by_armimason-d9dvcc9.jpg

Someone check when Birdo was created. We all know NOTHING about her is normal

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/f9/Birdo-MP9.png


This is off topic, but Birdo was actually around in the Mario franchise before Yoshi. Birdo debuted in Super Mario Bros 2 USA which came from Doki Doki Panic because the original Super Mario Bros 2 Japan was never released in America due to being way too hard for a lot players. We all know when Yoshi debuted though. Yoshi comes in many colors, but Yoshi was originally green though. Green Yoshi and Pink Birdo are considered as couples. Since Super Mario Bros 2 had a remake on the all-stars version, Birdo has ALWAYS been female.

http://img07.deviantart.net/5a0a/i/2012/021/c/c/yoshi_and_birdo_by_legend_tony980-d4n6spq.png

When Pink Yoshi, the god-tier character in Smash Bros., was invented in 1999, crime rates dipped to an all time low.

http://orig00.deviantart.net/e421/f/2015/294/4/9/pink_yoshi_in_super_smash_bros_4_by_armimason-d9dvcc9.jpg

Someone check when Birdo was created. We all know NOTHING about her is normal

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/f9/Birdo-MP9.png


Coooool.

Wondering how all these racial issues started in the first place. And why NOW of all time periods? Wondering why things like racism and religion didn't seem as much of an issue back then as it does now?


I think it's because we have a half-black president who is already getting criticism over his race. That and a lot of these protestors don't like Donald Trump so much that they caused a riot in Chicago, during one of his rallies.

I don't know how well some of you guys remember the atmosphere of the early '00s, but that was a truly terrifying period. It wasn't just about 9/11, after that there was a string of incidences that kept that nation on edge for quite some time. You had the Anthrax Scare of October 2001, the Shoe Bomber Richard Reid in December 2001, the teenager that killed himself by crashing a plane into a building in Florida in early 2002, and, of course, the D.C. Sniper attacks in the fall of 2002. I remember that one of the victims of the D.C. snipers was a teenager about my age that was shot while walking to school. Even in a small town like my own, I was kind of scared to walk down the block while all that was going on. Not to mention that George W. Bush had, like, an 80% job approval rating around this time, so if you even so much as spoke out against him or the Afghanistan or Iraq wars, there was a good chance you were gonna get shoved in a locker.

The mid '00s were a bit more chill, but you still had Hurricane Katrina (the worst natural disaster in U.S. history), the 2004 Tsunami, and Iraq spiraling out of control in 2005-06. The economy was basically the only decent thing going throughout much of the '00s, and that went down the tubes in 2008 as well. I think alot of people forget that the main reason Obama's "Hope and Change" campaign was so popular in 2008 was because of how terrible a position people thought the country was in at that time. Bush had a 25% approval rating in late 2008, the lowest since Jimmy Carter in the equally dismal year of 1980.

Now, all that's not to necessarily say that things aren't worse in the '10s than they were in '00s. That's a completely objective opinion that is totally reasonable to have. I just feel like that, as a decade fades further and further into history, we tend to shift the bad to the back of our memories.

When you're a little kid you don't pay much attention to the bad stuff. Just like how kids today will be very nostalgic for the 10s in the future.

I advise you guys to check out my post from yesterday, I talked about how the crime rate was so high back then and I gave reasons  that it definitely had to do with drugs and gangs that were running rapid at the time.

When you're a little kid you don't pay much attention to the bad stuff. Just like how kids today will be very nostalgic for the 10s in the future.


I don't think that his point. His point was that everybody had different opinions with different eras. Like of how I don't like the early 2010s so much (especially 2012) because of the massive shootings and tragic events that kept going on throughout the year.

I'm thinking that the difference is that the crime rates in the 2010's is more about racism and religion (cough cough ISIS) more than ever before. Which is why it gets more attention. The gun laws don't help either. The crime rates back then, especially in the 80's, 90's, and 2000's, I'm not sure if it was about those specific things and it was just regular plain crime rates. Keep in mind there is a difference between committing a regular crime and a terrorist attack, and since late 2014/2015, and especially 2016, there seems to be more terrorist attacks (it's not just ISIS, it's the racial issues too even though the mainstream doesn't want to admit this) on a weekly basis more than ever before now. Social media is more out there in your face in the 2010's and people are finally speaking out about the problems now with certain races being treated differently, and so many people being ignorant on religions. Terrorist attacks over major issues cause war. Regular crimes do not. That's why you're seeing more turmoil take place here in the mid 2010's.



Well I figured social media was a part of the problem. If Social media didn't exist then I don't think we'd be having any of these topics since without the media we probably wouldn't even know about half of the current events taking place.

What mqg mentioned did have me thinking for a quick bit. I'm starting to think that it's not the deaths that have people on edge. Rather it's the reasons for the deaths like religion and racism that seem to put people in a stir up. People dying is something everyone hates, but they come to accept. We just move on with our lives. People dying because they're black or homosexual, however? Now that's something that's making the headlines and causing the uproars on social media.


Let's get back to the topic of this thread, and thanks for responding to me Toon. This is basically my whole point, you can compare to the charts that show previous years that have higher crime rates, but like UltraGameDog said, those were for completely different reasons like the gangs and other stuff. The types of crimes or mainly terrorist attacks that's been happening in this country lately are completely bigger more life threatening situations. It's war against religion, race, and LGBT people. That's why it's been causing more hostility and attention, and the gun laws and the oversaturation of social media being everywhere doesn't help that either. Then, the more these attacks happen, the more insecure people in this country feel, then candidates like Donald Trump tries to come up with controversial arguments saying "you see why all terrorists are Muslim, that's why we should ban ALL Muslims" and more stuff Trump keeps saying that causing Americans to trust him which helps him gain more and more popularity, and certain people (including so-called Christians) who don't know everything about certain religions automatically assume that another religion should be accused of this act or that they don't feel comfortable around a specific race (especially blacks). This is what's causing war, terror, and hostility between people to happen on a weekly basis as of late.

Let's get back to the topic of this thread, and thanks for responding to me Toon. This is basically my whole point, you can compare to the charts that show previous years that have higher crime rates, but like UltraGameDog said, those were for completely different reasons like the gangs and other stuff. The types of crimes or mainly terrorist attacks that's been happening in this country lately are completely bigger more life threatening situations. It's war against religion, race, and LGBT people. That's why it's been causing more hostility and attention, and the gun laws and the oversaturation of social media being everywhere doesn't help that either. Then, the more these attacks happen, the more insure people in this country feel, then candidates like Donald Trump tries to come up with controversial argument saying "you see why all terrorists are Muslim, that's why we should ban ALL Muslims" and more stuff Trump keeps saying that causing Americans to trust him which helps him gain more and more popularity, and certain people (including so-called Christians) who don't know everything about certain religions automatically assume that another religion should be accused of this act or that they don't feel comfortable around a specific race (especially blacks). This is what's causing war, terror, and hostility between people to happen on a weekly basis as of late.


Yeah, back then as Ultra mentioned it was drugs and gangs causing the issue. Things that you don't even hear about now. Gangs and drugs were terrible, but those crimes were self contained. The crimes that involve race, religion, LGBT all seem to have some relation to one another. Top it off with someone like Trump (who's a bit of a big figure at the moment) who is just adding more fuel tot he fire with his views on Muslims. Tension betweens races, LGTB and straights, and religions keeps rising and it doesn't help that people nowadays are so damn trigger happy. As some users mentioned before if you so much as disagree with someone's views/opinions or is something that they don't like (different race, sexual preference etc) then a problem occurs. And something NEEDS to be done about these gun laws. People will shoot one another without a moments notice. Heck should be a law that prevents these kind of people from even having a gun. These issues need to be dealt with because this is already past the line of getting out of hand.

More deaths lead to more deaths. People get killed which will cause others to want revenge. Then before you know it we end up in a death cycle.

Why are some people racist?  ???


Maybe they were brought up that way?

Maybe they were brought up that way?


That's probably true. Which is sad, because people could just bring up stuff that they think it's the truth. Especially with white nationalists.  :-\\

Yet somehow the 2010s still has the lowest national murder/crime rates that we've seen in decades. Crime/Death were at an all time high in the 1980s-1990s and started declining in the 2000s to what it is now.

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/images/murderrate.png
http://d35brb9zkkbdsd.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/best_year_graphics-05.png
http://content.gallup.com/origin/gallupinc/GallupSpaces/Production/Cms/POLL/ldah6rdp6ukvngoyqi1fcg.gif
http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/files/2013/05/SDT-2013-05-gun-crime-1-2.png
http://www.statista.com/graphic/1/191219/reported-violent-crime-rate-in-the-usa-since-1990.jpg
http://www.freerangekids.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/Decline-of-Murder-and-Rape.png

And this final one is a bit funny
https://opportunityagenda.org/files/images/1.png

Disclaimer: None of these charts show 2016. Gonna have to wait and see if the amount of deaths end up hitting a high spike in the end year reports.


So many reports point out that despite the latest tragedies the amount of crime/deaths have been on a decline since we hit the 2000s onward versus the 1980s-1990s where it shows that tragedies were at a crazy high amount. No one just cared back then due to not being able having access to internet or social media meaning all those tragedies would go unnoticed by a lot of people. Nowadays you could blow your nose and everyone knows about it. Even with things like 9/11 the amount of deaths in 2001 was still lower than say the amount found in the years of the 1980s-1990s. Or at least this is what some quick googling tells me anyways.

My question is how long before the crime rates start hitting high spikes again.


The 60s were way more of a turbulent decade than the 80s or 90s but had lower crime rates than both decades. Not all turbulence or catastrophic events are crime related. 

Yet somehow the 2010s still has the lowest national murder/crime rates that we've seen in decades. Crime/Death were at an all time high in the 1980s-1990s and started declining in the 2000s to what it is now.

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/images/murderrate.png
http://d35brb9zkkbdsd.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/best_year_graphics-05.png
http://content.gallup.com/origin/gallupinc/GallupSpaces/Production/Cms/POLL/ldah6rdp6ukvngoyqi1fcg.gif
http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/files/2013/05/SDT-2013-05-gun-crime-1-2.png
http://www.statista.com/graphic/1/191219/reported-violent-crime-rate-in-the-usa-since-1990.jpg
http://www.freerangekids.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/Decline-of-Murder-and-Rape.png

And this final one is a bit funny
https://opportunityagenda.org/files/images/1.png

Disclaimer: None of these charts show 2016. Gonna have to wait and see if the amount of deaths end up hitting a high spike in the end year reports.


So many reports point out that despite the latest tragedies the amount of crime/deaths have been on a decline since we hit the 2000s onward versus the 1980s-1990s where it shows that tragedies were at a crazy high amount. No one just cared back then due to not being able having access to internet or social media meaning all those tragedies would go unnoticed by a lot of people. Nowadays you could blow your nose and everyone knows about it. Even with things like 9/11 the amount of deaths in 2001 was still lower than say the amount found in the years of the 1980s-1990s. Or at least this is what some quick googling tells me anyways.

My question is how long before the crime rates start hitting high spikes again.


The proof is in the data, it seems that we are currently living in reasonably peaceful times in comparison to previous times in history. However, I think the concern most people have is the political aspect of it. As mentioned in the forum before, but since the late 00's and into the 2010's, social media has become much more integrated into our personal lives along with smartphones which have multitude of features are ubiquitous now. 10 years ago in 2006 this is how I would of taken video, usually at a family event:

http://www2.nagare.or.jp/mm/2003/gunji/images/sony.jpg

It was compact but still fairly bulky, it required to be charged often, took casette tapes to record, needed a special wire (or converted to VHS or DVDs) to be viewed/shared, etc.


Now in 2016 I could simply whip out this

http://www.samsung.com/uk/consumer/mobile-devices/smartphones/galaxy-s/galaxy-s7/images/galaxy-s7-edge_gallery_right_gold_s3.png

Since everybody has an HD camera in their pocket now and we all have the ability to share the footage with millions of people at the flick of a finger.

So its a mixture of the two sides of the debate. Objectively, we are safer today than in anytime in recent history, but culturally due to the advancements in technology in recent years we have become more divide be it on race, gender, religion, politics, etc.

As mentioned in the forum before, but since the late 00's and into the 2010's, social media has become much more integrated into our personal lives along with smartphones which have multitude of features are ubiquitous now. 10 years ago in 2006 this is how I would of taken video, usually at a family event:

http://www2.nagare.or.jp/mm/2003/gunji/images/sony.jpg

It was compact but still fairly bulky, it required to be charged often, took casette tapes to record, needed a special wire (or converted to VHS or DVDs) to be viewed/shared, etc.


Didn't people use digital cameras that could also record videos?


Now in 2016 I could simply whip out this

http://www.samsung.com/uk/consumer/mobile-devices/smartphones/galaxy-s/galaxy-s7/images/galaxy-s7-edge_gallery_right_gold_s3.png

Since everybody has an HD camera in their pocket now and we all have the ability to share the footage with millions of people at the flick of a finger.

So its a mixture of the two sides of the debate. Objectively, we are safer today than in anytime in recent history, but culturally due to the advancements in technology in recent years we have become more divide be it on race, gender, religion, politics, etc.


I thought it was the politics that made people more divided than ever. But I guess considering how everyone in social media makes everything traumatic, it makes sense.

The proof is in the data, it seems that we are currently living in reasonably peaceful times in comparison to previous times in history. However, I think the concern most people have is the political aspect of it. As mentioned in the forum before, but since the late 00's and into the 2010's, social media has become much more integrated into our personal lives along with smartphones which have multitude of features are ubiquitous now. 10 years ago in 2006 this is how I would of taken video, usually at a family event:

http://www2.nagare.or.jp/mm/2003/gunji/images/sony.jpg

It was compact but still fairly bulky, it required to be charged often, took casette tapes to record, needed a special wire (or converted to VHS or DVDs) to be viewed/shared, etc.


Now in 2016 I could simply whip out this

http://www.samsung.com/uk/consumer/mobile-devices/smartphones/galaxy-s/galaxy-s7/images/galaxy-s7-edge_gallery_right_gold_s3.png

Since everybody has an HD camera in their pocket now and we all have the ability to share the footage with millions of people at the flick of a finger.

So its a mixture of the two sides of the debate. Objectively, we are safer today than in anytime in recent history, but culturally due to the advancements in technology in recent years we have become more divide be it on race, gender, religion, politics, etc.


and this is helpful in today's world.

I'm reviving this thread because there are some things I have noticed when it comes to these attacks that others did not think about. In Eric's OP, he stated that the attacks throughout the decade occurred on a weekly or even a daily basis. When I look at the attacks that happened in the 90s and the 00s, the onslaughts were just as horrifying as the ones today, but the thing is that they didn't happen THAT often.

Looking at 2012, there were 3 major events that year being Trayvon Martin, the Colorado theater shooting and the Sandy Hook shooting followed by the Boston Marathon Bombing in 2013. What I had realized is that these occurrences all happened within less than 6 months of each other. Prior to that, these types of events would happen on a yearly basis. In the 90s, the LA Riots, the 1st WTC attack, Waco, OKC, and Columbine all occurred within years of each other. Between  the LA Riots and the 1st WTC attack, they were nearly a year apart. Between the 1st WTC attack and Waco, it was the only one that happened within 2 months of each other. Between Waco and OKC, it was TWO years! Then, between OKC and Columbine, it was FOUR!

So, I'm just wondering for today why do these attacks happen on a weekly or even a daily basis? I know most will answer saying that with technology, we are getting updated constantly; however, I know there is much more to the problem than that!

Oh, and as for the crime rate, I know there has been facts provided on that the world is much safer than before; however, the question is how and why iS it much more secured? The reason there was a high crime rate in the first place really had to do with gangs fighting and killing each other over drugs, not terrorist attacks.

I totally agree with Unconventional that although there have been too many turbulent or catastrophic events today, they do not contribute to the overall increase of the crime rate.

I'm reviving this thread because there are some things I have noticed when it comes to these attacks that others did not think about. In Eric's OP, he stated that the attacks throughout the decade occurred on a weekly or even a daily basis. When I look at the attacks that happened in the 90s and the 00s, the onslaughts were just as horrifying as the ones today, but the thing is that they didn't happen THAT often.

Looking at 2012, there were 3 major events that year being Trayvon Martin, the Colorado theater shooting and the Sandy Hook shooting followed by the Boston Marathon Bombing in 2013. What I had realized is that these occurrences all happened within less than 6 months of each other. Prior to that, these types of events would happen on a yearly basis. In the 90s, the LA Riots, the 1st WTC attack, Waco, OKC, and Columbine all occurred within years of each other. Between  the LA Riots and the 1st WTC attack, they were nearly a year apart. Between the 1st WTC attack and Waco, it was the only one that happened within 2 months of each other. Between Waco and OKC, it was TWO years! Then, between OKC and Columbine, it was FOUR!

So, I'm just wondering for today why do these attacks happen on a weekly or even a daily basis? I know most will answer saying that with technology, we are getting updated constantly; however, I know there is much more to the problem than that!

Oh, and as for the crime rate, I know there has been facts provided on that the world is much safer than before; however, the question is how and why iS it much more secured? The reason there was a high crime rate in the first place really had to do with gangs fighting and killing each other over drugs, not terrorist attacks.

I totally agree with Unconventional that although there have been too many turbulent or catastrophic events today, they do not contribute to the overall increase of the crime rate.

The 1990s were just as crazy as now, check this out:
http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/terrorism/wrjp255a.html

The 1990s were just as crazy as now, check this out:
http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/terrorism/wrjp255a.html


Damn. The 90s had as much terrorist attacks as the 2000s had.

The 1990s were just as crazy as now, check this out:
http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/terrorism/wrjp255a.html
I just checked it out, and it seems it was broken down into groups where there are categories for terrorist attacks and those that were criminal incidents.

Damn. The 90s had as much terrorist attacks as the 2000s had.

Yeah, I know.


I just checked it out, and it seems it was broken down into groups where there are categories for terrorist attacks and those that were criminal incidents.

Yeah and the 1990s are just as crazy as the 2000s and 2010s.

Yeah and the 1990s are just as crazy as the 2000s and 2010s.
Yeah, they were; however, the crime rate overall were all lower for the 3 decades mentioned compared to the 1980s. Like I said, terror attacks and criminal incidents don't increase the crime rate, gangs do.

I'm reviving this thread because there are some things I have noticed when it comes to these attacks that others did not think about. In Eric's OP, he stated that the attacks throughout the decade occurred on a weekly or even a daily basis. When I look at the attacks that happened in the 90s and the 00s, the onslaughts were just as horrifying as the ones today, but the thing is that they didn't happen THAT often.

Looking at 2012, there were 3 major events that year being Trayvon Martin, the Colorado theater shooting and the Sandy Hook shooting followed by the Boston Marathon Bombing in 2013. What I had realized is that these occurrences all happened within less than 6 months of each other. Prior to that, these types of events would happen on a yearly basis. In the 90s, the LA Riots, the 1st WTC attack, Waco, OKC, and Columbine all occurred within years of each other. Between  the LA Riots and the 1st WTC attack, they were nearly a year apart. Between the 1st WTC attack and Waco, it was the only one that happened within 2 months of each other. Between Waco and OKC, it was TWO years! Then, between OKC and Columbine, it was FOUR!

So, I'm just wondering for today why do these attacks happen on a weekly or even a daily basis? I know most will answer saying that with technology, we are getting updated constantly; however, I know there is much more to the problem than that!

Oh, and as for the crime rate, I know there has been facts provided on that the world is much safer than before; however, the question is how and why iS it much more secured? The reason there was a high crime rate in the first place really had to do with gangs fighting and killing each other over drugs, not terrorist attacks.

I totally agree with Unconventional that although there have been too many turbulent or catastrophic events today, they do not contribute to the overall increase of the crime rate.


What's with all the doom and gloom posts the past few days? :o There haven't been any terrorist attacks in the US in 2017 afaik.

What's with all the doom and gloom posts the past few days? :o There haven't been any terrorist attacks in the US in 2017 afaik.
I know, there hasn't been much compared to last year except the Congress one last week; however, just because there aren't any attacks doesn't mean there isn't any hostility.

Yeah, they were; however, the crime rate overall were all lower for the 3 decades mentioned compared to the 1980s. Like I said, terror attacks and criminal incidents don't increase the crime rate, gangs do.

I wasn't arguing about the crime rate though :-X.

I wasn't arguing about the crime rate though :-X.
Oh, I know. I will say that the 90s attacks happened on a yearly basis though. I mean, not all attacks listed in the link you provided were related terrorism.

Oh, I know. I will say that the 90s attacks happened on a yearly basis though. I mean, not all attacks listed in the link you provided were related terrorism.

Most of them were mass shootings or bombings....that's not terrorism to you? ???

Most of them were mass shootings or bombings....that's not not terrorism to you? ???
Yeah, they are terrorism to me; however,  the list doesn't put most of the shootings as terrorism for some reason.

Yeah, they are terrorism to me; however,  the list doesn't put most of the shootings as terrorism for some reason.

I looked back and the list considered most of those mass shootings to be terrorism and the overarching title of the list was "Terrorist attacks and related incidents in the United States".

I looked back and the list considered most of those mass shootings to be terrorism and the overarching title of the list was "Terrorist attacks and related incidents in the United States".
Right. The title says that, but if you look at the groupings not all of them are listed as terrorist attacks. Some of them are shown as criminal incidents.

Right. The title says that, but if you look at the groupings not all of them are listed as terrorist attacks. Some of them are shown as criminal incidents.

Criminal incidents are still bad and like I said...I looked back and most of those mass shootings in the 1990s (that were listed) were considered terrorism.

Criminal incidents are still bad and like I said...I looked back and most of those mass shootings in the 1990s (that were listed) were considered terrorism.
Yeah, they're all bad I'm not denying that; however, some of them that are considered terrorism are placed in the thwarted terrorist attack box. I'm not sure if you're counting them. Just in case you weren't, there were 29 90s TERs and 17 CRIs that happened in the decade.

Yeah, they're all bad I'm not denying that; however, some of them that are considered terrorism are placed in the thwarted terrorist attack box. I'm not sure if you're counting them. Just in case you weren't, there were 29 90s TERs and 17 CRIs that happened in the decade.

There were a few that were thwarted but the point is that the 1990s when it comes to terrorism isn't much different from now. Maybe, it's because news spreads much faster now that some might feel that there is more terrorist attacks or criminal incidents in the US recently.

There were a few that were thwarted but the point is that the 1990s when it comes to terrorism isn't much different from now. Maybe, it's because news spreads much faster now that some might feel that there is more terrorist attacks or criminal incidents in the US recently.
That's true, but my original question was how and why do they happen on a weekly or daily basis. I think the problem is much more complex than this. Even the 90s terrorist attacks didn't happen like that.

That's true, but my original question was how and why do they happen on a weekly or daily basis. I think the problem is much more complex than this. Even the 90s terrorist attacks didn't happen like that.

America's gun culture and also America's posturing in other countries around the world.

America's gun culture and also America's posturing in other countries around the world.
Yeah, that's definitely another problem I have noticed and I hope it can be fixed.

Yeah, that's definitely another problem I have noticed and I hope it can be fixed.

Same here.

I was in preschool when 9/11 happened. I don't remember what I was doing or how I reacted-I think I just focused on my interests like Dora and Playhouse Disney then. However, my parents did not like me making 9/11 jokes.
And since people brought up Columbine, my parents told me I was was watching PBS when it happened. Looking it up on the Internet Archive, I found out that the program I was watching was "Noddy-The Fish Story". Too bad I can't find that particular episode anywhere!

I think the reason they might not have felt as bad as the 2010s is because many of the same problems have now been building up for another decade: shrill identity politics, shrinking middle class and growing inequality, and government that doesn't seem to care much about ordinary people.

Damn. The 90s had as much terrorist attacks as the 2000s had.


This. I'm too young to remember much before the Oklahoma City bombing, but I do wonder sometimes why, when the '90s were just as chaotic and violent as the '00s and now (and perhaps moreso), people just suddenly started losing their sheesh. What changed that we were able to endure terrorism in the '90s but suddenly with 9/11 we get the PATRIOT Act, the War on Terror, the Bush doctrine, secret FISA courts, etc.?

My parents explained what was going on during 9/11 to five-year-old me:
"Planes hit two buildings and people are scared."

I saw the news footage and I kid you not I was just "ooh, pretty explosion".
What the fudge.