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Alright, so which kind of cartoon era did you prefer? CN City brought us the finales of Powerpuff Girls, Johnny Bravo, Duck Dodgers, and Samurai Jack. It also brought us the premieres of Camp Lazlo, Foster's, Camp Lazlo, and My Gym Partner's A Monkey. Nick's bronze age brought us the amazes of Avatar: TLAB, Catscratch, All Grown Up, Drake and Josh, iCarly, etc.

Personally, I enjoy Nick's bronze age more than CN City, because it gives me more memories of when I used to love watching Nickelodeon in the summers of 2004-2007, along with bringing me some great shows. CN City could be good, but I was mostly into Boomerang when I started to watch Cartoon Network in 2005. Especially when it seemed all right for me, although I grew up more with the Noods era.

Personally I liked 2004-2005 Disney Channel over Bronze Age Nick, but that's just me. ;)

Now back to the OP's question. Man this is TOUGH!!!! :o :o :o
I liked the first half of the city and I actually get nostalgic for the 2004-05 season due to Atomic Betty, Code Lyoko ,Juniper Lee, and Fosters. the 2005-06 season not so much.....  :P
While Nick's Bronze Age stayed consistent and I continued to watch it's programming until mid 2007, mostly for it's sitcoms and... Nick at Nite(reruns of Fresh Prince, Murphy Brown, Whos the Boss, Growing Pains, Cosby Shows).  :D
I'm kinda undecided! :-[ :-\\

That's a tough one. If we define CN City era as mid 2004-early 2006 and we define Nick's bronze age as late 2004-2007/08ish, then I'm going with CN City era, since not only I watched Cartoon Network a lot more at the time but I loved the mixture of newer original shows and reruns of some Cartoon Cartoons at the same time, not to mention how epic Miguzi and Toonami on Saturday nights were at the time too! 3rd and 4th grade was my 2nd favorite era of CN! Especially summer 2005!


Personally I liked 2004-2005 Disney Channel over Bronze Age Nick, but that's just me. ;)


I also agree with 2004 & 2005 (the best years for Disney Channel IMO) being a lot better than Nick's bronze age as well. In fact, I'd pick Cartoon Network and Disney Channel throughout mid 2004-early 2006 more exciting than what Nickelodeon had at the time. Then of course, Kids WB (before it moved to CW) and Toon Disney/Jetix throughout the time are honorable mentions.

I liked Foster's Home For Imaginary Friends and Ed, Edd 'N Eddy, although I only remember the latter airing in the Y2K era here.

The Nickelodean one though, I loved Drake and Josh, iCarly, Spongebob, Fairly Odd Parents and Jimmy Neutron, so I'll have to go with Nickelodean here :D

I liked Foster's Home For Imaginary Friends and Ed, Edd 'N Eddy, although I only remember the latter airing in the Y2K era here.

The Nickelodean one though, I loved Drake and Josh, iCarly, Spongebob, Fairly Odd Parents and Jimmy Neutron, so I'll have to go with Nickelodean here :D


Here in our country CN City era had Foster's Home for Imaginary Friends, Ed Edd n Eddy, Codename: KND, The Grim Adventures of Billy & Mandy, Teen Titans, Justice League Unlimited, What's New Scooby-Doo, Camp Lazlo, Ben 10, and Cartoon Cartoon Top 5. Then for the action/anime shows we had Naruto, Yu-Gi-Oh, DBZ (uncut), One Piece, The Batman, Bobobo-bo Bo-bobo, Static Shock, TMNT (2003), and much more.

Our Disney Channel had That's So Raven, Suite Life of Zack & Cody, Phil of the Future, American Dragon Jake Long, Kim Possible, The Proud Family, Lilo & Stitch, Dave the Barbarian, Brandy & Mr. Whiskers, Lizzie McGuire (reruns), and Even Stevens (reruns)

TBH, I don't know which lineup of shows were better, but I have to go with the two I listed personally.

Here in our country CN City era had Foster's Home for Imaginary Friends, Ed Edd n Eddy, Codename: KND, The Grim Adventures of Billy & Mandy, Teen Titans, Justice League Unlimited, What's New Scooby-Doo, Camp Lazlo, Ben 10, and Cartoon Cartoon Top 5. Then for the action/anime shows we had Naruto, Yu-Gi-Oh, DBZ (uncut), One Piece, The Batman, Bobobo-bo Bo-bobo, Static Shock, TMNT (2003), and much more.

Our Disney Channel had That's So Raven, Suite Life of Zack & Cody, Phil of the Future, American Dragon Jake Long, Kim Possible, The Proud Family, Lilo & Stitch, Dave the Barbarian, Brandy & Mr. Whiskers, Lizzie McGuire (reruns), and Even Stevens (reruns)

TBH, I don't know which lineup of shows were better, but I have to go with the two I listed personally.


I watched those ones :D All great shows. How can you like Disney more than CN though? Don't tell me you got into tween sitcoms ;D

I watched those ones :D All great shows. How can you like Disney more than CN though? Don't tell me you got into tween sitcoms ;D


I never said I liked Disney more than Cartoon Network, in fact, Cartoon Network was my #1 kid station growing up, since it's the one I kept up with on a weekly basis throughout my ENTIRE elementary school years. I said that I thought Cartoon Network and Disney Channel lineups throughout the mid 2000's were better than Nickelodeon IMO.

I never said I liked Disney more than Cartoon Network, in fact, Cartoon Network was my #1 kid station growing up, since it's the one I kept up with on a weekly basis throughout my ENTIRE elementary school years. I said that I thought Cartoon Network and Disney Channel lineups throughout the mid 2000's were better than Nickelodeon IMO.

Ironically, Nick was the one I kept up with through my ENTIRE elementary school years! ;D

Ironically, Nick was the one I kept up with through my ENTIRE elementary school years! ;D


Same with me. I suppose Nick was my favorite, since I watched SpongeBob a lot throughout my childhood. But 2004-2006 Disney Channel and PBS Kids was still the sh*t for me as a kid.

I never said I liked Disney more than Cartoon Network, in fact, Cartoon Network was my #1 kid station growing up, since it's the one I kept up with on a weekly basis throughout my ENTIRE elementary school years. I said that I thought Cartoon Network and Disney Channel lineups throughout the mid 2000's were better than Nickelodeon IMO.


Oh, I mistook Eric's post for yours... and even then I think I read it wrong.  :-
Personally I liked 2004-2005 Disney Channel over Bronze Age Nick, but that's just me. ;)

The city era of Cartoon Network. By the mid 2000s, Nickelodeon was completely removed from my life aside from Avatar and Catscratch.

Alright. This might be difficult as I watched both of them during that time-frame, but here we go! For CN City, I really admired the aspect of the era. The characters were able to interact with each other and still had wonderful shows such as Teen Titans, Foster's Home, and Atomic Betty. I watched the era until I lost cable in summer 2005 (that's how I missed the spectacular they showed that year) and by the time I regained it in Spring 2006, it was almost over.

Nickelodeon's Bronze Age, It was decent as the block and shows were still satisfactory. Ned's Declassified was awesome and realistic as it was relateable. Avatar was amazing as well (although I never I finished it because I thought series had ended and they were not showing anymore new episodes). Drake & Josh was like the white version of Kenan & Kel. It was so hilarious and fantastic. Danny Phantom was really splendid. It was good to see a show that a superhero could be a ghost and save the world. Despite Unfabulous and Zoey 101 being mainly for girls and for the others, I still watched them and they were adequate. Honestly, I literally followed them until they ended. (that was weird of me ;D)

One thing though, any reason why Spongebob (unless it's the post-first movie ones), FoP and Jimmy Neutron are part of the Bronze age? Those were actually magnificent and there was more episodes in the Silver age than that one.

Alright. This might be difficult as I watched both of them during that time-frame, but here we go! For CN City, I really admired the aspect of the era. The characters were able to interact with each other and still had wonderful shows such as Teen Titans, Foster's Home, and Atomic Betty. I watched the era until I lost cable in summer 2005 (that's how I missed the spectacular they showed that year) and by the time I regained it in Spring 2006, it was almost over.

Nickelodeon's Bronze Age, It was decent as the block and shows were still satisfactory. Ned's Declassified was awesome and realistic as it was relateable. Avatar was amazing as well (although I never I finished it because I thought series had ended and they were not showing anymore new episodes). Drake & Josh was like the white version of Kenan & Kel. It was so hilarious and fantastic. Danny Phantom was really splendid. It was good to see a show that a superhero could be a ghost and save the world. Despite Unfabulous and Zoey 101 being mainly for girls and for the others, I still watched them and they were adequate. Honestly, I literally followed them until they ended. (that was weird of me ;D)

One thing though, any reason why Spongebob (unless it's the post-first movie ones), FoP and Jimmy Neutron are part of the Bronze age? Those were actually magnificent and there was more episodes in the Silver age than that one.


For Spongebob, they still made more seasons during Nick's bronze age. Especially Seasons 4-5, which was when many fans thought Spongebob was still good at the time, but not as good as Seasons 1-3. For FOP, it was still around. Along with making new episodes, and that it seemed definitive towards the era. For Jimmy Neutron, same reason for FOP, but it was also when they aired their series finale.

Same with me. I suppose Nick was my favorite, since I watched SpongeBob a lot throughout my childhood. But 2004-2006 Disney Channel and PBS Kids was still the sh*t for me as a kid.

The ONLY reason I continued watching was for Nick at Nite :D and for the final seasons of Avatar, Drake and Josh, Ned, Zoey  >:( .

The ONLY reason I continued watching was for Nick at Nite :D and for the final seasons of Avatar, Drake and Josh, Ned, Zoey  >:( .


Nick at Nite was so much better in the 2000s. Hell, I even remember back in late 2007 to early 2010 when I used to watch reruns of Malcolm in the Middle, Everybody Hates Chris, Home Improvement, Full House, Glenn Martin DDS (yes, I liked the show back then), and George Lopez. Now they only have five shows running throughout their block, and that kinda sucks.

Nick at Nite was so much better in the 2000s. Hell, I even remember back in late 2007 to early 2010 when I used to watch reruns of Malcolm in the Middle, Everybody Hates Chris, Home Improvement, Full House, Glenn Martin DDS (yes, I liked the show back then), and George Lopez. Now they only have five shows running throughout their block, and that kinda sucks.

Yea Nick@Nite is kinda crap nowadays! They just need more shows on. Maybe they should show Spin City and Dharma & Greg to the lineup to make things interesting. I recall when Nick @ Nite showed the old 60s and 70s shows(Brady Bunch, Threes Company) during Nick's silver Age. I think the bronze age they started showing more 80s and 90s sitcoms.(Fresh Prince, Full House, Who's the Boss etc.)

Nick at Nite was so much better in the 2000s. Hell, I even remember back in late 2007 to early 2010 when I used to watch reruns of Malcolm in the Middle, Everybody Hates Chris, Home Improvement, Full House, Glenn Martin DDS (yes, I liked the show back then), and George Lopez. Now they only have five shows running throughout their block, and that kinda sucks.


Family Matters was my favorite show ever that reran on Nick@Nite. I never cared for Cosby Show when that used to come on way too much.  ;D

One of the biggest mistakes Nick made in the mid-late 00s was focusing more on their teeny bopper shows, trying to be like DC; and they should done a better job building the brand around their actions shows(Avatar and Danny Phantom) and their comedy cartoons(All grown up, Jimmy Neutron, Fairly odd parents, Spongebob, Catscratch,). There also should have been some kinda block to show the action cartoons, and they should have kept U pick Live on LONGER.

Yea Nick@Nite is kinda crap nowadays! They just need more shows on. Maybe they should show Spin City and Dharma & Greg to the lineup to make things interesting. I recall when Nick @ Nite showed the old 60s and 70s shows(Brady Bunch, Threes Company) during Nick's silver Age. I think the bronze age they started showing more 80s and 90s sitcoms.(Fresh Prince, Full House, Who's the Boss etc.)


They should put more late 90s and early 2000s shows, since Nick is really obsessed towards the older audiences when it comes to nostalgia.

Welp now I've decided to go with city era CN over Nick! They just kept making some BIG mistakes and if they wanted to compete with CN, man that would have been EPIC!!!!! :D :D :D But instead..... they chose the safe route and became a wanna be Disney channel, and they slowly started abandoning their identity.

Family Matters was my favorite show ever that reran on Nick@Nite. I never cared for Cosby Show when that used to come on way too much.  ;D


Holy f*ck, I used to remember watching Family Matters on Nick at Nite.


One of the biggest mistakes Nick made in the mid-late 00s was focusing more on their teeny bopper shows, trying to be like DC; and they should done a better job building the brand around their actions shows(Avatar and Danny Phantom) and their comedy cartoons(All grown up, Jimmy Neutron, Fairly odd parents, Spongebob, Catscratch,). There also should have been some kinda block to show the action cartoons, and they should have kept U pick Live on LONGER.


At least they weren't trying that hard to be like Disney until they brought in cringeworthy memes in the mid 2010s. It just showed that Nickelodeon was at it absolute worst at the time, probably even worse than the 2007-2010 era for CN.

Looking at this list, what's the last Nick show you guys liked?

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Looking at this list, what's the last Nick show you guys liked?

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It's probably TUFF Puppy, since it was a good show at the time. But then again, my interests for Nickelodeon weren't that good after they changed their logo.

Yea Nick@Nite is kinda crap nowadays! They just need more shows on. Maybe they should show Spin City and Dharma & Greg to the lineup to make things interesting. I recall when Nick @ Nite showed the old 60s and 70s shows(Brady Bunch, Threes Company) during Nick's silver Age. I think the bronze age they started showing more 80s and 90s sitcoms.(Fresh Prince, Full House, Who's the Boss etc.)


I loved Nick at Nite back in the early and mid '90s, too. That was how I got exposed to so many '50s and '60s TV classics like I Love Lucy, The Honeymooners, Bewitched, F-Troop, Dennis the Menace, etc.

It's interesting to see how Nick at Nite has evolved over the years. They started adding alot of '70s shows in the late '90s (All in the Family, Welcome Back Kotter, The Brady Bunch, etc.), then began shifting to the '80s in the early '00s (The Cosby Show, The Facts of Life, Family Ties, etc.), then eventually started adding more '90s content in the mid-to-late '00s (Roseanne, Full House, Home Improvement, and the like).

Looking at this list, what's the last Nick show you guys liked?

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Either Catscratch or Just Jordan...

For Spongebob, they still made more seasons during Nick's bronze age. Especially Seasons 4-5, which was when many fans thought Spongebob was still good at the time, but not as good as Seasons 1-3. For FOP, it was still around. Along with making new episodes, and that it seemed definitive towards the era. For Jimmy Neutron, same reason for FOP, but it was also when they aired their series finale.
But that doesn't mean they should be part of the bronze age. JN was pretty much over by the time the Bronze period was in full swing. FOP began when the Silver age launched (it started in 1998 with Oh Yeah Cartoons)

I agree with SB though. That show was still great until maybe 2007.


Looking at this list, what's the last Nick show you guys liked?

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Victorious, Icarly, PoM, TUFF Puppy, LoK and BatB.

But that doesn't mean they should be part of the bronze age. JN was pretty much over by the time the Bronze period was in full swing. FOP began when the Silver age launched (it started in 1998 with Oh Yeah Cartoons)

I agree with SB though. That show was still great until maybe 2007.


Jimmy Neutron was still recognized by kids during Nick's bronze age. Especially when I watched the show during the mid 2000s, when they were still making new episodes. As for FOP, of course they're mostly recognizable by early 2000s kids, but they were still relevant during Nick's bronze age.

Jimmy Neutron was still recognized by kids during Nick's bronze age. Especially when I watched the show during the mid 2000s, when they were still making new episodes. As for FOP, of course they're mostly recognizable by early 2000s kids, but they were still relevant during Nick's bronze age.

Yeah during the first half of the Bronze age!

To prevent confusion, honestly this is how i'd say the Nick eras go (based on their presidents over the years).

1984-96: Gerry Laybourne era, golden age
1996-2006: Herb Scannell era, silver age
2006-present: Cyma Zarghami era, bronze age

To prevent confusion, honestly this is how i'd say the Nick eras go (based on their presidents over the years).

1984-96: Gerry Laybourne era, golden age
1996-2006: Herb Scannell era, silver age
2006-present: Cyma Zarghami era, bronze age

Based on programming, and not presidents...
1979-1990: Early age
1991-1997: Golden Age
1998-2004: Silver Age
Late 2004-2008: Bronze age
2009-present: Dark Age

To prevent confusion, honestly this is how i'd say the Nick eras go (based on their presidents over the years).

1984-96: Gerry Laybourne era, golden age
1996-2006: Herb Scannell era, silver age
2006-present: Cyma Zarghami era, bronze age


Yeah, I disagree with you on this. Nickelodeon was still alright in 2006. Just because Cyma Zarghami became president that year, that doesn't mean she ruined Nickelodeon instantly. Besides, a lot of people think that Nick was still good until 2008/2009. Her changes didn't affect the network until then, and people didn't care. Also I don't think 1984-1989 were their golden age, since their network wasn't getting that much cable subscribers until the early 90s.

Yeah, I disagree with you on this. Nickelodeon was still alright in 2006. Just because Cyma Zarghami became president that year, that doesn't mean she ruined Nickelodeon instantly. Besides, a lot of people think that Nick was still good until 2008/2009. Her changes didn't affect the network until then, and people didn't care. Also I don't think 1984-1989 were their golden age, since their network wasn't getting that much cable subscribers until the early 90s.

What did you think of my list?

What did you think of my list?


I think your list was accurate for Nickelodeon's eras.

Looking at this list, what's the last Nick show you guys liked?

http://i.imgur.com/HN3EBnC.png


Last show I followed was Drake & Josh, but I enjoyed iCarly whenever I got the chance to watch it. I wish I bothered watching Avatar during its peak, that show was huge at my high school. I remember some other popular non-cartoon TV show was on around the same time though.

Looking at this list, what's the last Nick show you guys liked?

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The last Nick shows that I watched regularly were Invader Zim and Action League Now. On the flip side, the oldest original Nick show that I can remember watching is Hey Dude.

The last Nick shows that I watched regularly were Invader Zim and Action League Now. On the flip side, the oldest original Nick show that I can remember watching is Hey Dude.


Hmm, I thought you were into '00s cartoons a lot more. Maybe you didn't watch Nickelodeon a lot back then.

Jimmy Neutron was still recognized by kids during Nick's bronze age. Especially when I watched the show during the mid 2000s, when they were still making new episodes. As for FOP, of course they're mostly recognizable by early 2000s kids, but they were still relevant during Nick's bronze age.
That depends though. I didn't see any more new episodes that often after 2004/05. For FoP, that show was pretty much over (until it was revived in 2008) by 2005.

That means Rugrats (which was over by 1995 and revived in 1999 due to success of the first movie), Hey Arnold and KaBlam (both shows had many episodes before 1999) are part of the Silver Age as well despite having more episodes in the Golden Age because they were still relevant.

Don't get me wrong. I understand that you absolutely watched those shows before they ended; however, those shows were mainly part of the Silver Age.

That depends though. I didn't see any more new episodes that often after 2004/05. For FoP, that show was pretty much over (until it was revived in 2008) by 2005.

That means Rugrats (which was over by 1995 and revived in 1999 due to success of the first movie), Hey Arnold and KaBlam (both shows had many episodes before 1999) are part of the Silver Age as well despite having more episodes in the Golden Age because they were still relevant.

Don't get me wrong. I understand that you absolutely watched those shows before they ended; however, those shows were mainly part of the Silver Age.


But Jimmy Neutron was only around for two years in the Silver Age, since the show started in 2002. Even though there was two seasons in the Silver Age, and only one in the Bronze Age, that doesn't mean it was predominant in the Silver Age. It was more likely to be in the Silver/Bronze Age cusp to me.

But Jimmy Neutron was only around for two years in the Silver Age, since the show started in 2002. Even though there was two seasons in the Silver Age, and only one in the Bronze Age, that doesn't mean it was predominant in the Silver Age. It was more likely to be in the Silver/Bronze Age cusp to me.
Actually, it does seems on the cusp along with Chalkzone and Teenage Robot considering all/most their episodes were between 2002 and 2006.

Actually, it does seems on the cusp along with Chalkzone and Teenage Robot considering all/most their episodes were between 2002 and 2006.


Same with Invader Zim and All Grown Up, which both started in the Silver Age.

CN City, it just seems more memorable to me.

Same with Invader Zim and All Grown Up, which both started in the Silver Age.
i was going to say AGU, but that was mainly in the Bronze Age since it ended in 2008. As for IZ, wasn't that show cancelled after two seasons?

i was going to say AGU, but that was mainly in the Bronze Age since it ended in 2008. As for IZ, wasn't that show cancelled after two seasons?


Yeah, but it ended in 2006.

Yeah, but it ended in 2006.
It ended in 2006 with only 2 seasons? Viacom must have been playing games. There should have been more seasons in between.

It ended in 2006 with only 2 seasons? Viacom must have been playing games. There should have been more seasons in between.


Well, the last episodes of Invader Zim aired in 2006. Then the show was cancelled after that.

Zim "ended" in 2002 actually. There were some episodes Nick hadn't aired at the time, so they decided to burn them off on Nicktoons Network in 2006.

Nick has a weird tendency of doing those things. CatDog really "ended" in 2001, but Nick had some episodes they didn't air for whatever reason, then randomly burned them off in 2004-2005.

Hey Arnold really was meant to "end" in 2002 with the Journal movie, but again, Nick had episodes they were holding back and decided to air them from 2003-2004.

As told by ginger aired mostly from 2000-2004. There were some episodes left unaired that Nick decided to burn off in 2006; however, they randomly stopped after burning off only one episode (maybe the ratings were bad).

My Life as a Teenage Robot was cancelled in late 2005. The crew continued to work on the show, then wrapped up the last episodes in May 2006. Rather than air season 3 in 2006-2007 like Nick Asia did, Nick US held over the episodes and dumped them off to Nicktoons Network in 2008-2009.

Chalkzone began airing its final season in 2005. However, five episodes through the season, the show just randomly stopped. Then, in 2008, Nick burned the six remaining episodes off at early morning timeslots.

The last season of All grown up was delayed several times between 2005 and 2008.

Jimmy Neutron was canceled in 2005 but Nick held over the last episodes until 2006.

Zim "ended" in 2002 actually. There were some episodes Nick hadn't aired at the time, so they decided to burn them off on Nicktoons Network in 2006.

Nick has a weird tendency of doing those things. CatDog really "ended" in 2001, but Nick had some episodes they didn't air for whatever reason, then randomly burned them off in 2004-2005.

Hey Arnold really was meant to "end" in 2002 with the Journal movie, but again, Nick had episodes they were holding back and decided to air them from 2003-2004.

As told by ginger aired mostly from 2000-2004. There were some episodes left unaired that Nick decided to burn off in 2006; however, they randomly stopped after burning off only one episode (maybe the ratings were bad).

My Life as a Teenage Robot was cancelled in late 2005. The crew continued to work on the show, then wrapped up the last episodes in May 2006. Rather than air season 3 in 2006-2007 like Nick Asia did, Nick US held over the episodes and dumped them off to Nicktoons Network in 2008-2009.

Chalkzone began airing its final season in 2005. However, five episodes through the season, the show just randomly stopped. Then, in 2008, Nick burned the six remaining episodes off at early morning timeslots.

The last season of All grown up was delayed several times between 2005 and 2008.

Jimmy Neutron was canceled in 2005 but Nick held over the last episodes until 2006.
Wait, that's actually something I noticed. In fact, they probably did the same thing with FOP, Rugrats (Kimi episodes), Wild Thornberrys, and Rocket Power which is why all those shows ended in 2004/05.

Unlike networks like Fox which air new episodes of shows weekly and in a "clean" order, Nick seems to air their episodes and seasons in a completely random, chaotic order.

Unlike networks like Fox which air new episodes of shows weekly and in a "clean" order, Nick seems to air their episodes and seasons in a completely random, chaotic order.
Teletoon did the same thing with the Total Drama episodes.

But Jimmy Neutron was only around for two years in the Silver Age, since the show started in 2002. Even though there was two seasons in the Silver Age, and only one in the Bronze Age, that doesn't mean it was predominant in the Silver Age. It was more likely to be in the Silver/Bronze Age cusp to me.

Actually, it does seems on the cusp along with Chalkzone and Teenage Robot considering all/most their episodes were between 2002 and 2006.

Yea Jimmy Nuetron and Chalkzone are hybrids of the silver and Bronze Age. Just like Hey Arnold is a hybrid of the golden and silver age.

But Teenage Robot always felt more like a bronze era show than silver.

That means Rugrats (which was over by 1995 and revived in 1999 due to success of the first movie), Hey Arnold and KaBlam (both shows had many episodes before 1999) are part of the Silver Age as well despite having more episodes in the Golden Age because they were still relevant.

Rugrats was originally over by 95? ???Didn't know that. :o
I knew after the movie they had more episodes tho, but still!

Teletoon did the same thing with the Total Drama episodes.

Another show where the season was "artificially extended" was Family Guy.

The episode "When You Wish Upon a Weinstein" was produced and meant to be aired in 2000, during season 2. However, Fox had issues with the episode's content, and banned it from airing. Later, in 2003, when the rest of the show had finished its run, Adult Swim burned the episode off as part of a special event.

FG's season 3, which was meant to be only 2001-2002, instead became 2001-2003.

Zim "ended" in 2002 actually. There were some episodes Nick hadn't aired at the time, so they decided to burn them off on Nicktoons Network in 2006


Post-production wise, it did end in 2002. But the show didn't air new episodes until 2006, and then it got cancelled.

Nick has a weird tendency of doing those things. CatDog really "ended" in 2001, but Nick had some episodes they didn't air for whatever reason, then randomly burned them off in 2004-2005.

Eh, they probably did that because they were lazy to air them in 2001.

As told by ginger aired mostly from 2000-2004. There were some episodes left unaired that Nick decided to burn off in 2006; however, they randomly stopped after burning off only one episode (maybe the ratings were bad).

Well, As Told By Ginger wasn't one of Nickelodeon's well known cartoons. So I suppose nobody cared about watching the show after 2006.

My Life as a Teenage Robot was cancelled in late 2005. The crew continued to work on the show, then wrapped up the last episodes in May 2006. Rather than air season 3 in 2006-2007 like Nick Asia did, Nick US held over the episodes and dumped them off to Nicktoons Network in 2008-2009.

I remember the remaining episodes being aired on Nicktoons Network in late 2008 when Making Fiends premiered. It's a shame that both of those shows weren't well respected with the network. So they just cancelled them like nothing ever happened.

Another show where the season was "artificially extended" was Family Guy.

The episode "When You Wish Upon a Weinstein" was produced and meant to be aired in 2000, during season 2. However, Fox had issues with the episode's content, and banned it from airing. Later, in 2003, when the rest of the show had finished its run, Adult Swim burned the episode off as part of a special event.

FG's season 3, which was meant to be only 2001-2002, instead became 2001-2003.
I saw that as well, Wait, even Pokémon did it with the beach episode where James grows breasts. Because of that, that episode didn't air until 2000. It was originally supposed to come in 1998.

Another show where the season was "artificially extended" was Family Guy.

The episode "When You Wish Upon a Weinstein" was produced and meant to be aired in 2000, during season 2. However, Fox had issues with the episode's content, and banned it from airing. Later, in 2003, when the rest of the show had finished its run, Adult Swim burned the episode off as part of a special event.

FG's season 3, which was meant to be only 2001-2002, instead became 2001-2003.


Wasn't Family Guy cancelled until DVD sales revived it in 2005?

But Teenage Robot always felt more like a bronze era show than silver.


Despite the fact that the show premiered in 2003, along with having an Oh Yeah! Cartoons episode in 1999.

Unlike networks like Fox which air new episodes of shows weekly and in a "clean" order, Nick seems to air their episodes and seasons in a completely random, chaotic order.


I'm pretty sure a lot of networks air their episodes in a complete order, instead of what Nickelodeon was doing since the early 2000s.

Rugrats was originally over by 95? ???Didn't know that. :o
I knew after the movie they had more episodes tho, but still!
Yeah, any episodes after that and before the first movie were just specials.


Despite the fact that the show premiered in 2003, along with having an Oh Yeah! Cartoons episode in 1999.
And Chalkzone as well since it was on Oh Yeah Cartoons in the late 90s.

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Now that I think about it, I actually think the Silver age was shorter than previously thought because many of the shows mentioned truly ended before 2003.
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And Chalkzone as well since it was on Oh Yeah Cartoons in the late 90s.

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Now that I think about it, I actually think the Silver age was shorter than previously thought because many of the shows mentioned truly ended before 2003.
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I guess so. Even though episodes from the show echoed into the Bronze Age until early 2009.

I guess so. Even though episodes from the show echoed into the Bronze Age until early 2009.
It might have, but that show was pretty much over by 2005/06. I don't recall seeing anymore new episodes by then.

It might have, but that show was pretty much over by 2005/06. I don't recall seeing anymore new episodes by then.


I meant shows like Chalkzone, MLAATR, Invader Zim, As Told By Ginger, and All Grown Up, where they had episodes in the Bronze Age.

I meant shows like Chalkzone, MLAATR, Invader Zim, As Told By Ginger, and All Grown Up, where they had episodes in the Bronze Age.
Oh, so those shows would be on the cusp of the Silver/Bronze Age.

Oh, so those shows would be on the cusp of the Silver/Bronze Age.


Yeah, that's why I said those shows had episodes from late 2004 - early 2009.

Yeah, any episodes after that and before the first movie were just specials.

Well, I just read the episodes guide, I know wiki isn't the most reliable source. But it's stated that series originally aired from 1990/91 until 1994. The holiday specials were between 1995 and 1996, and then in 1997 the series returned to regular episodes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Rugrats_episodes#Season_5_.281997.E2.80.9398.29

Well, I just read the episodes guide, I know wiki isn't the most reliable source. But it's stated that series originally aired from 1990/91 until 1994. The holiday specials were between 1995 and 1996, and then in 1997 the series returned to regular episodes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Rugrats_episodes#Season_5_.281997.E2.80.9398.29


I was gonna mention that, since Zelek's posts are a bit misinformative whether it comes to Nickelodeon.

Yeah, that's why I said those shows had episodes from late 2004 - early 2009.
Would you say that the Bronze Age began earlier since many shows from the Silver one ended before 2004?


Well, I just read the episodes guide, I know wiki isn't the most reliable source. But it's stated that series originally aired from 1990/91 until 1994. The holiday specials were between 1995 and 1996, and then in 1997 the series returned to regular episodes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Rugrats_episodes#Season_5_.281997.E2.80.9398.29
Correct. That's why I said they were over by 1995 and they returned around the same time Nick was previewing the first movie  (which was released a year later). Then due to the positive feedback, they made more episodes now with Dil as a new character. Then in 2000, the second movie was released which also had success thus making more episodes with Kimi as the new character. By 2002, that show was pretty much over considering that I don't recall seeing anymore episodes after that and its sequel AGU was taking over its place.

Would you say that the Bronze Age began earlier since many shows from the Silver one ended before 2004?


I thought you mentioned that. I already know that the Bronze Age started in late 2004.

I thought you mentioned that. I already know that the Bronze Age started in late 2004.
Would you consider 2003 to be on the cusp of both eras since most shows from the Silver age were already over?

Would you consider 2003 to be on the cusp of both eras since most shows from the Silver age were already over?


Well yeah. 2003 was when some Bronze Age shows like MLAATR and All Grown Up premiered and Klasky Csupo was starting to get on its last legs.

Well yeah. 2003 was when some Bronze Age shows like MLAATR and All Grown Up premiered and Klasky Csupo was starting to get on its last legs.
That means 1998 could be considered the same way regarding the Golden and the Silver age as those few early nicktoons had already ended.

Hmm, I thought you were into '00s cartoons a lot more. Maybe you didn't watch Nickelodeon a lot back then.


I started watching Cartoon Network increasingly more than Nickelodeon around 1998-99, though I did still watch Nick somewhat regularly until 2001. I started watching cartoons alot less overall after I started high school that fall, but I didn't stop watching them entirely. Even when I was in college I would occasionally catch stuff like Avatar or American Dragon: Jake Long. I'm not nearly as big of a '00s cartoon hater as most people my age are.

I started watching Cartoon Network increasingly more than Nickelodeon around 1998-99, though I did still watch Nick somewhat regularly until 2001. I started watching cartoons alot less overall after I started high school that fall, but I didn't stop watching them entirely. Even when I was in college I would occasionally catch stuff like Avatar or American Dragon: Jake Long. I'm not nearly as big of a '00s cartoon hater as most people my age are.


I wish more 90s kids didn't hate a lot on 2000s cartoons. They would've realized that sh*t is for kids and not for them.

Well, I just read the episodes guide, I know wiki isn't the most reliable source. But it's stated that series originally aired from 1990/91 until 1994. The holiday specials were between 1995 and 1996, and then in 1997 the series returned to regular episodes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Rugrats_episodes#Season_5_.281997.E2.80.9398.29


Yes, it's a common misconception that Rugrats returned from hiatus after the movie was released in 1998. In actuality the show returned in 1997, and produced two full seasons before the premiere of the movie. Rugrats was cancelled in 1994 because it was somewhat of a custom back then for Nick to stop producing animated shows after about 3 or 4 seasons. The show stayed relevant during the mid '90s, however, airing every day in syndication, and debuted several new "special episodes", including two in 1997 (the Mother's Day episode and the Vacation special) before returning for good that fall.


Zim "ended" in 2002 actually. There were some episodes Nick hadn't aired at the time, so they decided to burn them off on Nicktoons Network in 2006.

Nick has a weird tendency of doing those things. CatDog really "ended" in 2001, but Nick had some episodes they didn't air for whatever reason, then randomly burned them off in 2004-2005.

Hey Arnold really was meant to "end" in 2002 with the Journal movie, but again, Nick had episodes they were holding back and decided to air them from 2003-2004.

As told by ginger aired mostly from 2000-2004. There were some episodes left unaired that Nick decided to burn off in 2006; however, they randomly stopped after burning off only one episode (maybe the ratings were bad).

My Life as a Teenage Robot was cancelled in late 2005. The crew continued to work on the show, then wrapped up the last episodes in May 2006. Rather than air season 3 in 2006-2007 like Nick Asia did, Nick US held over the episodes and dumped them off to Nicktoons Network in 2008-2009.

Chalkzone began airing its final season in 2005. However, five episodes through the season, the show just randomly stopped. Then, in 2008, Nick burned the six remaining episodes off at early morning timeslots.

The last season of All grown up was delayed several times between 2005 and 2008.

Jimmy Neutron was canceled in 2005 but Nick held over the last episodes until 2006.


Yeah, Nickelodeon has become notorious for this over the years. Rugrats technically didn't air it's last episode until 2004, despite only airing a small handful of new shows during the entirety of 2003. Hey Arnold! was even worse. That show also is listed as having ended in 2004, but only aired a total of 14 episodes during the entire 2001-2004 time period.

I'm not nearly as big of a '00s cartoon hater as most people my age are.

Do people your age hate all 00s cartoons, or just the ones from 2006-2009 (which are generally considered worse in quality)?

I wish more 90s kids didn't hate a lot on 2000s cartoons. They would've realized that sh*t is for kids and not for them.
Doesn't that depend though?. I'm sure there were plenty of 90s kids who watched 00s cartoons and didn't arrogantly bash them. The only ones who did that are those elitist ones who say "90s cartoons are way way way much better than those stupid a*s 00s shows."


Yes, it's a common misconception that Rugrats returned from hiatus after the movie was released in 1998. In actuality the show returned in 1997, and produced two full seasons before the premiere of the movie. Rugrats was cancelled in 1994 because it was somewhat of a custom back then for Nick to stop producing animated shows after about 3 or 4 seasons. The show stayed relevant during the mid '90s, however, airing every day in syndication, and debuted several new "special episodes", including two in 1997 (the Mother's Day episode and the Vacation special) before returning for good that fall.

Yeah, Nickelodeon has become notorious for this over the years. Rugrats technically didn't air it's last episode until 2004, despite only airing a small handful of new shows during the entirety of 2003. Hey Arnold! was even worse. That show also is listed as having ended in 2004, but only aired a total of 14 episodes during the entire 2001-2004 time period.
Before that custom ended, didn't R&S have more than 3/4 seasons since it ran for 5 years?

And not just Hey Arnold, but even CatDog, Wild Thornberrys, Rocket Power, Invader Zim as well. All of those were truly over by 2002 despite having last episodes up to 2004/05/06.

Would you consider 2003 to be on the cusp of both eras since most shows from the Silver age were already over?

I'm honestly not sure. :-\\ :o  I'd actually go with 2004.

Doesn't that depend though?. I'm sure there were plenty of 90s kids who watched 00s cartoons and didn't arrogantly bash them. The only ones who did that are those elitist ones who say "90s cartoons are way way way much better than those stupid a*s 00s shows."
Before that custom ended, didn't R&S have more than 3/4 seasons since it ran for 5 years?

And not just Hey Arnold, but even CatDog, Wild Thornberrys, Rocket Power, Invader Zim as well. All of those were truly over by 2002 despite having last episodes up to 2004/05/06.


To me it doesn't really matter when the majority of its episodes aired or when the majority of the series had ended. What matters the most is when the last episode of the series aired and when the series was officially taken off the air from the channel. That's almost like saying Dexter's Laboratory wasn't relevant from 1999-mid 2001 when the show returned from late 2001 through all of 2003. After the Dexter's Lab original series finale "Last Not Beast" from 1998, reruns of the show from 1999-mid 2001 including the movie Ego Trip did so well that they returned the series. Was Kim Possible over by 2005 because of the So the Drama movie just because of the majority of its episodes aired from 2002-2005? Or were reruns still played throughout 2006 and the series was revived for a final season in 2007? (although this doesn't apply to all shows of course)

Now I understand many of these Nickelodeon shows were declining in quality or barely had any new episodes towards the end of its run, but if it was still on the channel regularly for kids to watch on reasonable time slots, then it was still there. Reruns of 90's cartoons on TV, rather the 90's cartoons was already ended OR still going on, were very popular on TV throughout the early 2000's. 2003 was still a complete silver age year for Nickelodeon. Although, Nickelodeon's bumpers did change in 2003, which were the same ones used in 2004 and 2005, but in 2003, there was no Drake & Josh yet, no Ned's Declassified, no Zoey 101, no Danny Phantom, no Avatar: the Last Airbender, U-Pick Live was still around, and Snick was still around as well. I'm with Eric, I'd mark Fall 2004 as the official start point for Nick's bronze age.

Do people your age hate all 00s cartoons, or just the ones from 2006-2009 (which are generally considered worse in quality)?


Wouldn't people change their opinion once 2000s nostalgia becomes more friendly? I mean, there were people who disliked the entire 2000s in general way back, because they thought it was ruined after New Years Day of 2000. This was probably a decade ago, but times changed. One day, we could've accepted 2006-2009 as a great time for cartoons, and lump it with 2000-2005.

To me it doesn't really matter when the majority of its episodes aired or when the majority of the series had ended. What matters the most is when the last episode of the series aired and when the series was officially taken off the air from the channel. That's almost like saying Dexter's Laboratory wasn't relevant from 1999-mid 2001 when the show returned from late 2001 through all of 2003. After the Dexter's Lab original series finale "Last Not Beast" from 1998, reruns of the show from 1999-mid 2001 including the movie Ego Trip did so well that they returned the series. Was Kim Possible over by 2005 because of the So the Drama movie just because of the majority of its episodes aired from 2002-2005? Or were reruns still played throughout 2006 and the series was revived for a final season in 2007? (although this doesn't apply to all shows of course)

Now I understand many of these Nickelodeon shows were declining in quality or barely had any new episodes towards the end of its run, but if it was still on the channel regularly for kids to watch on reasonable time slots, then it was still there. Reruns of 90's cartoons on TV, rather the 90's cartoons was already ended OR still going on, were very popular on TV throughout the early 2000's. 2003 was still a complete silver age year for Nickelodeon. Although, Nickelodeon's bumpers did change in 2003, which were the same ones used in 2004 and 2005, but in 2003, there was no Drake & Josh yet, no Ned's Declassified, no Zoey 101, no Danny Phantom, no Avatar: the Last Airbender, U-Pick Live was still around, and Snick was still around as well. I'm with Eric, I'd mark Fall 2004 as the official start point for Nick's silver age.


More like the Bronze Age.

I mentioned before how Nick has the worst scheduling in the world.

Just look at this, look how crazy it is. It took them HALF A DECADE to complete a season of only 6 episodes.

http://data.desustorage.org/co/image/1452/30/1452304155682.png

I'm honestly not sure. :-\\ :o  I'd actually go with 2004.
Well you could see 2003 as the cusp since most of the shows from the Silver age were over.


Wouldn't people change their opinion once 2000s nostalgia becomes more friendly? I mean, there were people who disliked the entire 2000s in general way back, because they thought it was ruined after New Years Day of 2000. This was probably a decade ago, but times changed. One day, we could've accepted 2006-2009 as a great time for cartoons, and lump it with 2000-2005.
Really? You mean that once 2000 began, the 90s kids started to hate everything?


To me it doesn't really matter when the majority of its episodes aired or when the majority of the series had ended. What matters the most is when the last episode of the series aired and when the series was officially taken off the air from the channel. That's almost like saying Dexter's Laboratory wasn't relevant from 1999-mid 2001 when the show returned from late 2001 through all of 2003. After the Dexter's Lab original series finale "Last Not Beast" from 1998, reruns of the show from 1999-mid 2001 including the movie Ego Trip did so well that they returned the series. Was Kim Possible over by 2005 because of the So the Drama movie just because of the majority of its episodes aired from 2002-2005? Or were reruns still played throughout 2006 and the series was revived for a final season in 2007? (although this doesn't apply to all shows of course)

Now I understand many of these Nickelodeon shows were declining in quality or barely had any new episodes towards the end of its run, but if it was still on the channel regularly for kids to watch on reasonable time slots, then it was still there. Reruns of 90's cartoons on TV, rather the 90's cartoons was already ended OR still going on, were very popular on TV throughout the early 2000's. 2003 was still a complete silver age year for Nickelodeon. Although, Nickelodeon's bumpers did change in 2003, which were the same ones used in 2004 and 2005, but in 2003, there was no Drake & Josh yet, no Ned's Declassified, no Zoey 101, no Danny Phantom, no Avatar: the Last Airbender, U-Pick Live was still around, and Snick was still around as well. I'm with Eric, I'd mark Fall 2004 as the official start point for Nick's bronze age.
I say that depends though. Some shows stay even after the series is over while some others just disappear after ending and never return.

I understand what you mean. Those shows were still on despite not having any new episodes until later; however, what I was saying is that the shows airing from 1999 (I would say late 1998, but most of the year was pretty much still golden age) to 2004 are mainly still part of the Silver age even if the last episode came later in another era.

Oh and I watched the videos of Nick from 2003 and '04 and even though the bumpers had already changed, they still had that early 00s atmosphere.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfsPYzG8CZQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBAh3xjyl6s


I mentioned before how Nick has the worst scheduling in the world.

Just look at this, look how crazy it is. It took them HALF A DECADE to complete a season of only 6 episodes.

http://data.desustorage.org/co/image/1452/30/1452304155682.png
I saw that. They did the same thing with Hey Arnold, Wild Thornberrys and Rocket Power too. It also took them HALF A DECADE to finish the last seasons of those shows as well.

Really? You mean that once 2000 began, the 90s kids started to hate everything?


No. I meant that during the 2000s, when 80s and early 90s kids ruled the nostalgia community, they thought the 2000s wasn't a good decade. They thought the 90s were better, because it didn't have Spongebob or whatever the hell they hated back then.

No. I meant that during the 2000s, when 80s and early 90s kids ruled the nostalgia community, they thought the 2000s wasn't a good decade. They thought the 90s were better, because it didn't have Spongebob or whatever the hell they hated back then.
Ohhh. I see now. Maybe it had to do with the fact other than their age, that they watched one episode of each of the shows and then said that the cartoon sucked because of one bad episode or that the quality of shows and the diversity within the channels had declined where they couldn't stand the networks anymore (some later would turn into another block)

Looking at this list, what's the last Nick show you guys liked?

http://i.imgur.com/HN3EBnC.png

No doubt The Penguins of Madagascar.

I'd still go with 2004 as the cusp between silver and bronze, since the first half was still silver and then in the fall bronze officially started.
2005 was a complete/total bronze year.

I consider 2005 a silver age year because it had the premier of Avatar. Also, the new episodes of Spongebob that aired that year were probably the best ones made after the movie.

I consider 2005 a silver age year because it had the premier of Avatar. Also, the new episodes of Spongebob that aired that year were probably the best ones made after the movie.

Wtf? Avatar was a SOLID bronze age era show. I don't associate it or teenick with the silver age AT ALL...

But it's such a great and deep show, I think of it as Nick's last hurrah.

But it's such a great and deep show, I think of it as Nick's last hurrah.

Just because it's an amazing Nick series doesn't make it from the same era as Hey Arnold, CatDog, Angry Beavers, Dil era Rugrats, Amanda Show, Cosuin Skeeter, Classic Fairly odd parents, Wild Thorn berries, Invader zim, Rocket Power, and Golden age Spongebob. Avatar is premiered at a time where Nick had already entered it's Teen Nick phase, and a large focus became about it's tween sitcoms(Drake and Josh, Unfabulous, Ned, Zoey etc.) . Despite having some good nicktoons(Danny Phantom, Catsratch, Avatar etc.).

No doubt The Penguins of Madagascar.


The Penguins of Madagascar was alright. Not as good as the other Nick shows from the late 2000s, but it's a bit memorable.


I consider 2005 a silver age year because it had the premier of Avatar. Also, the new episodes of Spongebob that aired that year were probably the best ones made after the movie.


I consider that as a bronze age year. We already got rid of Klasky Csupo's shows in 2004, so it was different in 2005. Hell, even Avatar could relate to Catscratch, Making Fiends, El Tigre, Wayside, Kappa Mikey, The X's, and other late 2000s Nick shows.


But it's such a great and deep show, I think of it as Nick's last hurrah.


That belongs to Making Fiends, in my opinion.

Ohhh. I see now. Maybe it had to do with the fact other than their age, that they watched one episode of each of the shows and then said that the cartoon sucked because of one bad episode or that the quality of shows and the diversity within the channels had declined where they couldn't stand the networks anymore (some later would turn into another block)


Yeah. They couldn't give a crap because they were really nostalgic for their childhood back then. I don't know about the current era for 80s and early 90s kids, because I don't watch a lot of modern cartoons.

Do people your age hate all 00s cartoons, or just the ones from 2006-2009 (which are generally considered worse in quality)?


Speaking generally, most people my age have a pretty negative view of cartoons that came out after 2001 or 2002. I think that's natural because pretty much everybody within my immediate age range (1986-1988) started high school sometime during the early '00s, and that tends to be the time (often because of peer pressure) that kids start thinking that they're "too old" to watch cartoons.

This never really happened with me, though. Even though I did naturally lose some interest in cartoons as I got deeper into my teen years, it wasn't unheard of for me to watch Cartoon Network (I didn't really watch Nick or Disney that much after '01) well into the mid '00s, and occasionally even into the late '00s. I don't watch CN much anymore today because I just don't have the time, but, back in the '00s, I had no problem with shows like the Grim Adventures of Billy & Mandy, Codename: Kids Next Door and Robot Jones even as a teen.

Speaking generally, most people my age have a pretty negative view of cartoons that came out after 2001 or 2002. I think that's natural because pretty much everybody within my immediate age range (1986-1988) started high school sometime during the early '00s, and that tends to be the time (often because of peer pressure) that kids start thinking that they're "too old" to watch cartoons.

This never really happened with me, though. Even though I did naturally lose some interest in cartoons as I got deeper into my teen years, it wasn't unheard of for me to watch Cartoon Network (I didn't really watch Nick or Disney that much after '01) well into the mid '00s, and occasionally even into the late '00s. I don't watch CN much anymore today because I just don't have the time, but, back in the '00s, I had no problem with shows like the Grim Adventures of Billy & Mandy, Codename: Kids Next Door and Robot Jones even as a teen.


I think the way a lot of people who grew up as kids in the 90's felt about still watching Cartoon Cartoon shows like Dexter's Lab, Johnny Bravo, Ed Edd n Eddy, or Courage the Cowardly Dog throughout the first half of the 2000's is the way people (like me) who grew up as kids in the 2000's feel about still watching Cartoon Network shows of this decade like Adventure Time, Regular Show, Steven Universe, Young Justice when it was on, or Clarence. I know many people near my age who've been watching this shows since this decade began. However, when shows like Foster's Home for Imaginary Friends, Hi Hi Puffy Ami Yumi, Life & Times of Juniper Lee, Ben 10, or My Gym Partner's A Monkey were on, it was unheard of for middle or high school kids & up to watch those shows. Not because all of the shows I listed were bad, but because they weren't on the same quality of greatness as the Cartoon Cartoons of the late 90's/early 2000's or the current Cartoon Network shows today. However, I do know people of all ages who liked Teen Titans, Grim Adventures of Billy & Mandy, or Justice League Unlimited which were played throughout that era.

Speaking generally, most people my age have a pretty negative view of cartoons that came out after 2001 or 2002. I think that's natural because pretty much everybody within my immediate age range (1986-1988) started high school sometime during the early '00s, and that tends to be the time (often because of peer pressure) that kids start thinking that they're "too old" to watch cartoons.

This never really happened with me, though. Even though I did naturally lose some interest in cartoons as I got deeper into my teen years, it wasn't unheard of for me to watch Cartoon Network (I didn't really watch Nick or Disney that much after '01) well into the mid '00s, and occasionally even into the late '00s. I don't watch CN much anymore today because I just don't have the time, but, back in the '00s, I had no problem with shows like the Grim Adventures of Billy & Mandy, Codename: Kids Next Door and Robot Jones even as a teen.


Even as a teen from the 2010s, I felt like cartoons aren't as special as they were in the 90s/00s. I probably chose that because I was a kid during the 2000s and that I don't get the point of watching cartoons nowadays as a teen. Most of them aren't even special. They're just made for kids, but then adults started to watch them at the beginning of the decade. I may be bringing an unpopular opinion here on the Internet, but I think that cartoons today are extremely overrated. Probably more overrated than 90s cartoons.

I consider 2005 a silver age year because it had the premier of Avatar. Also, the new episodes of Spongebob that aired that year were probably the best ones made after the movie. It''s such a great and deep show, I think of it as Nick's last hurrah.


I'm with Eric. While Avatar was totally amazing :), it was completely part of the Bronze Age. As for Spongebob, I agree that the post-movie seasons were awesome, but not better than the pre-movie ones.


Yeah. They couldn't give a crap because they were really nostalgic for their childhood back then. I don't know about the current era for 80s and early 90s kids, because I don't watch a lot of modern cartoons.
Well that still depends. Not all of those 80s and early 90s kids despised the 00s cartoons or the ones today. I think you're forgetting that children cartoons are not just for kids. Otherwise, then adolescents and adults wouldn't be watching them at all.

The only people who hate(d) the 00s and today's cartoons are the arrogant 90s kids, not the genuine ones.


Speaking generally, most people my age have a pretty negative view of cartoons that came out after 2001 or 2002. I think that's natural because pretty much everybody within my immediate age range (1986-1988) started high school sometime during the early '00s, and that tends to be the time (often because of peer pressure) that kids start thinking that they're "too old" to watch cartoons.

This never really happened with me, though. Even though I did naturally lose some interest in cartoons as I got deeper into my teen years, it wasn't unheard of for me to watch Cartoon Network (I didn't really watch Nick or Disney that much after '01) well into the mid '00s, and occasionally even into the late '00s. I don't watch CN much anymore today because I just don't have the time, but, back in the '00s, I had no problem with shows like the Grim Adventures of Billy & Mandy, Codename: Kids Next Door and Robot Jones even as a teen.
Me too! As I was getting older, I also stopped watching Disney, but continued on with Nick (until they severely declined) and CN. Although I haven't watched CN for about a year, that's the network I'll still continue to see because it's satisfactory despite a few issues (hopefully they will fix overtime).


I think the way a lot of people who grew up as kids in the 90's felt about still watching Cartoon Cartoon shows like Dexter's Lab, Johnny Bravo, Ed Edd n Eddy, or Courage the Cowardly Dog throughout the first half of the 2000's is the way people (like me) who grew up as kids in the 2000's feel about still watching Cartoon Network shows of this decade like Adventure Time, Regular Show, Steven Universe, Young Justice when it was on, or Clarence. I know many people near my age who've been watching this shows since this decade began. However, when shows like Foster's Home for Imaginary Friends, Hi Hi Puffy Ami Yumi, Life & Times of Juniper Lee, Ben 10, or My Gym Partner's A Monkey were on, it was unheard of for middle or high school kids & up to watch those shows. Not because all of the shows I listed were bad, but because they weren't on the same quality of greatness as the Cartoon Cartoons of the late 90's/early 2000's or the current Cartoon Network shows today. However, I do know people of all ages who liked Teen Titans, Grim Adventures of Billy & Mandy, or Justice League Unlimited which were played throughout that era.
I must be in the minority. I still watched these shows (and the ones from the late 00s) even though I was already an adolescent by then.

I also disagree that Foster's and Ben 10 were not great in quality. They definitely were memorable and most likely are now considered classics.

Well that still depends. Not all of those 80s and early 90s kids despised the 00s cartoons or the ones today. I think you're forgetting that children cartoons are not just for kids. Otherwise, then adolescents and adults wouldn't be watching them at all.

The only people who hate(d) the 00s and today's cartoons are the arrogant 90s kids, not the genuine ones.


It depends. I mean, I didn't give a crap that cartoons were also for adults back as a kid in the 2000s. I just wanted to watch some f*cking toons and be happy, because that's what made me happy back then. That's why I became nostalgic for my childhood, not support the fact that children isn't always for kids. I don't even hate today's cartoons, since some of them are okay. I mean, I acknowledge that they're for children, but I wouldn't binge-watch them.

It depends. I mean, I didn't give a crap that cartoons were also for adults back as a kid in the 2000s. I just wanted to watch some f*cking toons and be happy, because that's what made me happy back then. That's why I became nostalgic for my childhood, not support the fact that children isn't always for kids. I don't even hate today's cartoons, since some of them are okay. I mean, I acknowledge that they're for children, but I wouldn't binge-watch them.
Oh I understand now. Sometimes I misread what you say, but I agree that binge watching them would be odd because there is more on TV than just cartoons.

Me either. I've seen most of them that I like and they are fantastic while there a few that don't make sense.

I also disagree that Foster's and Ben 10 were not great in quality. They definitely were memorable and most likely are now considered classics.


Oh no, I think you misunderstood me, this is not my opinion. I've said many times that Foster's Home for Imaginary Friends and Ben 10 were the best shows of CN's City Era in terms of popularity, which is why those were in fact my favorite shows from that era, I loved every bit of those shows as a kid, but I'm talking about what teens and adults could find enjoyable on Cartoon Network at the same time too. Throughout my years living, I've noticed that when it comes to casual folks talking about Cartoon Network which applies to original programming only (not counting acquired shows or reruns), then the Cartoon Cartoons (1996-2004) and the modern CN shows (2010-present) seems to have a bunch of shows that appeal to the wide audience. Most of the shows from the 2005-2009 period appealed to KIDS ONLY and most teens and adults didn't find those shows enjoyable at the time.

It seems like this thread is made for people born in the mid-late '90s as being in my early 20s at the time, these childhood trends were completely foreign, since in addition with many of these being "for kids" and recycling plots that were the primary focus of the early-mid '90s (with some late '80s carryovers) that I grew up on, seemed to be a low point in terms of TV cartoons. CN had a much more diversified schedule than Nick, which by then was already starting to saturate its schedule of Spongebob, and to a lesser degree Farly Oddparents reruns. The game shows and Nickcoms were pretty much dead at that point, and although Nick Jr. wasn't too bad, it too was not as good as during its classic and Face eras, especially after Blue's Clues left the schedule. Nick at Nite seemed to speed through the '80s instead of fully embracing them like it should have around this point and skipping ahead to the '90s in terms of "classic late night" shows. Outside of Avatar, Nick didn't have any good shows from 2005-2008.

Simply put, it was a terrible time for children's TV, from Sesame Street being dumber than ever and exposing Elmo way too much, and if the Disney Channel's trio of Hannah, Jonas, and HSM was the best we could muster, not to mention Toon Disney now being xD. Thank goodness by then YouTube was starting to come in so I can tell people what the real good cartoons were, and perhaps as a result of this, the quality of kids TV has improved somewhat in the 2010s.

It seems like this thread is made for people born in the mid-late '90s as being in my early 20s at the time, these childhood trends were completely foreign, since in addition with many of these being "for kids" and recycling plots that were the primary focus of the early-mid '90s (with some late '80s carryovers) that I grew up on, seemed to be a low point in terms of TV cartoons. CN had a much more diversified schedule than Nick, which by then was already starting to saturate its schedule of Spongebob, and to a lesser degree Farly Oddparents reruns. The game shows and Nickcoms were pretty much dead at that point, and although Nick Jr. wasn't too bad, it too was not as good as during its classic and Face eras, especially after Blue's Clues left the schedule. Nick at Nite seemed to speed through the '80s instead of fully embracing them like it should have around this point and skipping ahead to the '90s in terms of "classic late night" shows. Outside of Avatar, Nick didn't have any good shows from 2005-2008.

Simply put, it was a terrible time for children's TV, from Sesame Street being dumber than ever and exposing Elmo way too much, and if the Disney Channel's trio of Hannah, Jonas, and HSM was the best we could muster, not to mention Toon Disney now being xD. Thank goodness by then YouTube was starting to come in so I can tell people what the real good cartoons were, and perhaps as a result of this, the quality of kids TV has improved somewhat in the 2010s.


Children's TV was just average during the mid-late 2000s. It was nothing special to any decade, as it was just... okay. As a child in the mid-late 2000s, I have a positive bias towards that era. But it's not like they were as great as any era. No decade is. They're just children's entertainment. It shouldn't be praised by all of these people on the Internet.

It seems like this thread is made for people born in the mid-late '90s as being in my early 20s at the time, these childhood trends were completely foreign, since in addition with many of these being "for kids" and recycling plots that were the primary focus of the early-mid '90s (with some late '80s carryovers) that I grew up on, seemed to be a low point in terms of TV cartoons. CN had a much more diversified schedule than Nick, which by then was already starting to saturate its schedule of Spongebob, and to a lesser degree Farly Oddparents reruns. The game shows and Nickcoms were pretty much dead at that point, and although Nick Jr. wasn't too bad, it too was not as good as during its classic and Face eras, especially after Blue's Clues left the schedule. Nick at Nite seemed to speed through the '80s instead of fully embracing them like it should have around this point and skipping ahead to the '90s in terms of "classic late night" shows. Outside of Avatar, Nick didn't have any good shows from 2005-2008.

Simply put, it was a terrible time for children's TV, from Sesame Street being dumber than ever and exposing Elmo way too much, and if the Disney Channel's trio of Hannah, Jonas, and HSM was the best we could muster, not to mention Toon Disney now being xD. Thank goodness by then YouTube was starting to come in so I can tell people what the real good cartoons were, and perhaps as a result of this, the quality of kids TV has improved somewhat in the 2010s.


I was born in the mid 90's and I grew up as a kid watching TV throughout the early & mid 2000's (2001-2006). CN City lasted from mid 2004-early 2006 but Nick's bronze age lasted from late 2004-2007/08. So some of the periods are overlapped when comparing the eras. Personally for me 2004 & 2005 was still a great time for kids television, maybe not as good as 2000-2003 but it was still great overall. Toon Disney throughout 2004-2006 had a perfect balance of Toon Disney programming (SOME Disney Afternoon, One Saturday Morning, and DC originals) and Jetix programming (Power Rangers, X-Men, Spider-Man, Incredible Hulk, Beyblade, etc.), while Cartoon Network still had some good lineups of shows (Foster's Home, Ed Edd n Eddy, Codename: KND, Megas XLR, etc.) and Toonami on Saturday nights still had many action shows like Teen Titans, Justice League Unlimited, TMNT (2003), Naruto, and DBZ (Uncut). I think 2006 & 2007 were the huge decline years while 2008 & 2009 were really horrible years. The peak of Hannah Montana, Jonas Brothers, and Selena Gomez on Disney Channel was the late 2000's and by then I was no longer into the channel. The quality of kids shows have improved in the 2010's but variety wise it's still no better than it was in the late 2000's, or even worse, because of all the variety kids today get to find on Netflix, Hulu, On Demand, or the internet now, which has caused TV to decline in general.

I was born in the mid 90's and I grew up as a kid watching TV throughout the early & mid 2000's (2001-2006). CN City lasted from mid 2004-early 2006 but Nick's bronze age lasted from late 2004-2007/08. So some of the periods are overlapped when comparing the eras. Personally for me 2004 & 2005 was still a great time for kids television, maybe not as good as 2000-2003 but it was still great overall. Toon Disney throughout 2004-2006 had a perfect balance of Toon Disney programming (SOME Disney Afternoon, One Saturday Morning, and DC originals) and Jetix programming (Power Rangers, X-Men, Spider-Man, Incredible Hulk, Beyblade, etc.), while Cartoon Network still had some good lineups of shows (Foster's Home, Ed Edd n Eddy, Codename: KND, Megas XLR, etc.) and Toonami on Saturday nights still had many action shows like Teen Titans, Justice League Unlimited, TMNT (2003), Naruto, and DBZ (Uncut). I think 2006 & 2007 were the huge decline years while 2008 & 2009 were really horrible years. The peak of Hannah Montana, Jonas Brothers, and Selena Gomez on Disney Channel was the late 2000's and by then I was no longer into the channel. The quality of kids shows have improved in the 2010's but variety wise it's still no better than it was in the late 2000's, or even worse, because of all the variety kids today get to find on Netflix, Hulu, On Demand, or the internet now, which has caused TV to decline in general.


Honestly, any kid today could look up any cartoon they want, than watching it on Cartoon Network, Nickelodeon, Disney Channel, etc. Hell, I watch modern cartoons on Kisscartoon for crying out loud, and I find it more convenient than watching it on live TV. I don't interact with a lot of kids today, but I think they play more on their iPads than use a television. Especially when most parents today would find Netflix or Hulu more cheaper than paying for cable. I already have a friend who doesn't have cable, but his family has Netflix and a huge-ass VHS and DVD collection. That's pretty enough for his family, I guess. But cable television is just out of the blue compared to Internet television services. It's not even as popular as it was in the 80s, 90s, or even the 2000s.

I mentioned before how Nick has the worst scheduling in the world.

Hit the nail! I forgot how much I caught on to this. It was even bad for Avatar. I consider Nick a really lazy company with already noticeably mediocre content. While Cartoon Network was constantly bringing new episodes.

I consider Avatar, Korra and Ninja Turtles the only respect for the business. I even used to cope that Avatar and Korra would possibly ditch Nick for Cartoon Network. I just don't see Nick as deserving of deep, well thought out content.

Hit the nail! I forgot how much I caught on to this. It was even bad for Avatar. I consider Nick a really lazy company with already noticeably mediocre content. While Cartoon Network was constantly bringing new episodes.

I consider Avatar, Korra and Ninja Turtles the only respect for the business. I even used to cope that Avatar and Korra would possibly ditch Nick for Cartoon Network. I just don't see Nick as deserving of deep, well thought out content.


Nick never made any well thought out content since the end of the Silver Age. Avatar was an exception, but the show aired when Nickelodeon was fading away from their iconic perspective in the latter 2000s.

Oh no, I think you misunderstood me, this is not my opinion. I've said many times that Foster's Home for Imaginary Friends and Ben 10 were the best shows of CN's City Era in terms of popularity, which is why those were in fact my favorite shows from that era, I loved every bit of those shows as a kid, but I'm talking about what teens and adults could find enjoyable on Cartoon Network at the same time too. Throughout my years living, I've noticed that when it comes to casual folks talking about Cartoon Network which applies to original programming only (not counting acquired shows or reruns), then the Cartoon Cartoons (1996-2004) and the modern CN shows (2010-present) seems to have a bunch of shows that appeal to the wide audience. Most of the shows from the 2005-2009 period appealed to KIDS ONLY and most teens and adults didn't find those shows enjoyable at the time.
Oh. My bad. For some reason, I thought you said it. Thanks for clearing that up. Furthermore, I'm still in the minority because I watched many of those shows from that time period. Yes, there were a some cartoons that were awful like Squirrel Boy, Gym Partner, Bravebold Batman and Ami & Yumi; however, there were definitely plenty of brilliant ones being Camp Lazlo, Chowder, Flapjack, Billy & Mandy, KND, Secret Saturdays, Ben 10: AF, SW: CW and the ones mentioned.


I was born in the mid 90's and I grew up as a kid watching TV throughout the early & mid 2000's (2001-2006). CN City lasted from mid 2004-early 2006 but Nick's bronze age lasted from late 2004-2007/08. So some of the periods are overlapped when comparing the eras. Personally for me 2004 & 2005 was still a great time for kids television, maybe not as good as 2000-2003 but it was still great overall. Toon Disney throughout 2004-2006 had a perfect balance of Toon Disney programming (SOME Disney Afternoon, One Saturday Morning, and DC originals) and Jetix programming (Power Rangers, X-Men, Spider-Man, Incredible Hulk, Beyblade, etc.), while Cartoon Network still had some good lineups of shows (Foster's Home, Ed Edd n Eddy, Codename: KND, Megas XLR, etc.) and Toonami on Saturday nights still had many action shows like Teen Titans, Justice League Unlimited, TMNT (2003), Naruto, and DBZ (Uncut). I think 2006 & 2007 were the huge decline years while 2008 & 2009 were really horrible years. The peak of Hannah Montana, Jonas Brothers, and Selena Gomez on Disney Channel was the late 2000's and by then I was no longer into the channel. The quality of kids shows have improved in the 2010's but variety wise it's still no better than it was in the late 2000's, or even worse, because of all the variety kids today get to find on Netflix, Hulu, On Demand, or the internet now, which has caused TV to decline in general.
I agree with the bold. Yes, the kids shows today are much better, but that doesn't mean diversity has improved. In fact, CN is really the only network that has a variety of cartoons (despite its horrible scheduling). Nick, DC and even the Hub (whatever it's called now) actually doesn't have many cartoons on those channels. I know that while kids today do have Netflix, Hulu, and On Demand, how many of those cartoons are current and not old ones?

It's starting to show me that ever since SMCs died, it has not been the same. There was truly a time where kids had many cartoons to watch. Whether it be the SMCs or the kids networks, there was huge diversity as cartoons aired everyday of the week (except SMCs) and came in every genre. In addition, not only were the cartoons amazing, the schedules were long for enough for kids to watch them (for SMCs, it was 6/7AM to 12PM and kids networks 6AM to 10/11PM). These days, you don't see those long schedules at all anymore and the variety of cartoons are less despite the instant online streaming.

I'm not complaining or anything, but I truly feel sorry for kids today and my own niece. They absolutely deserve more diversity of cartoons in the kids networks. I know the shows are fantastic and all as I've watched them myself; however, if there's less variety, it's not going to make the channel better.


Hit the nail! I forgot how much I caught on to this. It was even bad for Avatar. I consider Nick a really lazy company with already noticeably mediocre content. While Cartoon Network was constantly bringing new episodes.

I consider Avatar, Korra and Ninja Turtles the only respect for the business. I even used to cope that Avatar and Korra would possibly ditch Nick for Cartoon Network. I just don't see Nick as deserving of deep, well thought out content.
I noticed that as well. I tuned in to watch Avatar everyday back then, and they kept showing reruns of the first and second season. It made me think the show was over with a cliffhanger, but they were really slacking to air the 3rd season.

If you look at their history, Nick had been doing this since the early 00s when Hey Arnold, Wild Thornberrys, and Catdog were the current shows. If they don't get their act together and do a revival, they're not going to last long and might end up being defunct.

If you look at their history, Nick had been doing this since the early 00s when Hey Arnold, Wild Thornberrys, and Catdog were the current shows. If they don't get their act together and do a revival, they're not going to last long and might end up being defunct.


Nick is just delaying their shows' seasons. I'm not that surprised, since I thought Nicktoons Network was better than their main channel in the late 2000s. I mean, I did watch Spongebob a lot on their main channel. But when looking back on my memories with Nick, I was more enjoyful with Nicktoons. It had a bunch of good shows at the time, and it didn't have a terrible schedule.

Nick is just delaying their shows' seasons. I'm not that surprised, since I thought Nicktoons Network was better than their main channel in the late 2000s. I mean, I did watch Spongebob a lot on their main channel. But when looking back on my memories with Nick, I was more enjoyful with Nicktoons. It had a bunch of good shows at the time, and it didn't have a terrible schedule.
Yeah, that's not a good strategy for them.  Not only have they done this with the nicktoons, but even the nickcoms as well. iCarly lasted for 5 years and Zoey 101 for 3 with short final seasons for both.

I agree. Even though I didn't watch the Nicktoons Network that much at the time, it definitely had better scheduling than its main channel with along with magnificent shows.

I agree. Even though I didn't watch the Nicktoons Network that much at the time, it definitely had better scheduling than its main channel with along with magnificent shows.


They did have a good schedule during the late 2000s. It's sad that they were torn away after their rebrand.

Simply put, it was a terrible time for children's TV, from Sesame Street being dumber than ever and exposing Elmo way too much, and if the Disney Channel's trio of Hannah, Jonas, and HSM was the best we could muster, not to mention Toon Disney now being xD. Thank goodness by then YouTube was starting to come in so I can tell people what the real good cartoons were, and perhaps as a result of this, the quality of kids TV has improved somewhat in the 2010s.

I agree man. The second half of the 00s was indeed a weak time for kids tv. The mid 00s were a mixed bag, cause I REALLY enjoyed the 2004-05 season, and I still have great nostalgia for that time; but when the 2005-06 season came... my interest was starting to decline.

I agree man. The second half of the 00s was indeed a weak time for kids tv. The mid 00s were a mixed bag, cause I REALLY enjoyed the 2004-05 season, and I still have great nostalgia for that time; but when the 2005-06 season came... my interest was starting to decline.


I really thought the whole year of 2005 was great for kids TV. But 2006 was just a throwback to stuff from the late 90s and early 2000s, from my perspective.

I really thought the whole year of 2005 was great for kids TV. But 2006 was just a throwback to stuff from the late 90s and early 2000s, from my perspective.


I consider 2002 & 2003 to be my favorite years for kids TV, probably the best years IMO with so much variety of great shows to find all over the channels 24/7.

2004 & 2005 were still great years for kids TV in general, my 2nd favorite period with still tons of variety out there

2006 & 2007 were both huge decline years with all the leftover good shows finishing its runs while the bad stuff started happening with the channels, variety started watering down big time

2008 & 2009 were the absolute worse years for kids TV, the final nail in the coffin for channels/blocks and the oversaturation of live-action teenybopper sitcoms 

So overall for me, 2002-2005 FTW!

Would you guys say Cartoon Network is currently experiencing a neo-Golden Age? The shows on there are of extremely high quality and appeal to a diverse demographic.

I caught my sister watching some Nickolodean and it was a mistake. Nothing but trash. It was all tween sitcoms. What the hell happened, why do kids like these shows? I think it start with High School Musical and Hannah Montana and went downhill from there.

Would you guys say Cartoon Network is currently experiencing a neo-Golden Age? The shows on there are of extremely high quality and appeal to a diverse demographic.


I consider Cartoon Network to be in a Renaissance. They somehow have a good set of shows, but it doesn't have a good variety in their schedule.


I caught my sister watching some Nickolodean and it was a mistake. Nothing but trash. It was all tween sitcoms. What the hell happened, why do kids like these shows? I think it start with High School Musical and Hannah Montana and went downhill from there.


It kinda went downhill in the late 2000s, aside from being good in that era. It had their final nail in the coffin in September 2009, when they changed their logo. Also, I feel sorry for your sister to watch modern Nickelodeon. It's just a really sad thing for the network to be really cringy media-wise.

I consider Cartoon Network to be in a Renaissance. They somehow have a good set of shows, but it doesn't have a good variety in their schedule.


Yep, same answer here! Cartoon Network's original programming has been in a renaissance age throughout this entire decade but it doesn't change the fact that the variety hasn't been the same in many years. This CHECK it era of CN represents the digital/mobile phone/streaming apps age we live in now.

I consider 2002 & 2003 to be my favorite years for kids TV, probably the best years IMO with so much variety of great shows to find all over the channels 24/7.
2004 & 2005 were still great years for kids TV in general, my 2nd favorite period with still tons of variety out there

2001 and 2002 were BY FAR my personal favorite years for kids tv. :D :D :D
2003 and 2004 was my 2nd fav period.
also, 1999 and 2000 will always have a special place in my heart as well. :)

I consider 2002 & 2003 to be my favorite years for kids TV, probably the best years IMO with so much variety of great shows to find all over the channels 24/7.

2004 & 2005 were still great years for kids TV in general, my 2nd favorite period with still tons of variety out there

2006 & 2007 were both huge decline years with all the leftover good shows finishing its runs while the bad stuff started happening with the channels, variety started watering down big time

2008 & 2009 were the absolute worse years for kids TV, the final nail in the coffin for channels/blocks and the oversaturation of live-action teenybopper sitcoms 

So overall for me, 2002-2005 FTW!


2008 was still decent, and way better than 2009 IMO. I could enjoy the other channels without thinking about some channel rebranding themselves.

Yep, same answer here! Cartoon Network's original programming has been in a renaissance age throughout this entire decade but it doesn't change the fact that the variety hasn't been the same in many years. This CHECK it era of CN represents the digital/mobile phone/streaming apps age we live in now.


Especially when kids could just go on Kisscartoon and watch their favorite CN shows quickly, than waiting for a new episode to air on the channel. I do that with We Bare Bears, so I don't find live TV good with their shows.

They did have a good schedule during the late 2000s. It's sad that they were torn away after their rebrand.
I know. I wonder why did they rebrand? They were actually better off not doing it. Maybe it had to do with the new generation arriving.


I agree man. The second half of the 00s was indeed a weak time for kids tv. The mid 00s were a mixed bag, cause I REALLY enjoyed the 2004-05 season, and I still have great nostalgia for that time; but when the 2005-06 season came... my interest was starting to decline.
Me too! The 2004-05 season was fantastic. CN was awesome (and still is); Nick was still adequate. Even Kids WB and Disney (despite not watching them as much by then) were magnificent.


Would you guys say Cartoon Network is currently experiencing a neo-Golden Age? The shows on there are of extremely high quality and appeal to a diverse demographic.

I caught my sister watching some Nickolodean and it was a mistake. Nothing but trash. It was all tween sitcoms. What the hell happened, why do kids like these shows? I think it start with High School Musical and Hannah Montana and went downhill from there.
Yes, they're absolutely in a Renaissance age. Everything on there is excellent except UG and Sonic Boom. The only thing they need to fix is the diversity, then it will truly be in a second golden age.


Yep, same answer here! Cartoon Network's original programming has been in a renaissance age throughout this entire decade but it doesn't change the fact that the variety hasn't been the same in many years. This CHECK it era of CN represents the digital/mobile phone/streaming apps age we live in now.
I would agree, but I can't because despite good shows such as Adventure Time, Regular Show, and Gumball being on the network by then, many shows of the early 10s were cringe-worthy awful. Remember the live-action, Problem Solverz and SMFA?

I know. I wonder why did they rebrand? They were actually better off not doing it. Maybe it had to do with the new generation arriving.


They rebranded when Nickelodeon did in 2009. They even changed their name from Nicktoons Network to just Nicktoons.

Would you guys say Cartoon Network is currently experiencing a neo-Golden Age? The shows on there are of extremely high quality and appeal to a diverse demographic.

Its in a attempt to show effort, decent state aside from the generic spamming of shows relevant to other fallen networks. I don't understand the hate for Sonic Boom. Its one of the better shows. Its definitely G.O.A.T compared with UG and Clarence.

They rebranded when Nickelodeon did in 2009. They even changed their name from Nicktoons Network to just Nicktoons.
Ever since that logo change, it really damaged their reputation as an wonderful kids network. It sucks that kids today didn't get to witness an awesome Nickelodeon like it was back then. The network sure has some explaining to do about why they haven't had any significant success since the whole rebrand.

Its in a attempt to show effort, decent state aside from the generic spamming of shows relevant to other fallen networks. I don't understand the hate for Sonic Boom. Its one of the better shows. Its definitely G.O.A.T compared with UG and Clarence.


Sonic Boom isn't really that great. Granted, you have the right to your own opinion. But it's just a cash grab for Sega to have kids buy their new sh*tty Sonic games, since the franchise wasn't that good when Sonic 06 was released.

Ever since that logo change, it really damaged their reputation as an wonderful kids network. It sucks that kids today didn't get to witness an awesome Nickelodeon like it was back then. The network sure has some explaining to do about why they haven't had any significant success since the whole rebrand.


They don't really need any explanation. We can easily tell that their channel sucks, because most of their current shows (especially their sitcoms) are completely sh*t. They just want to have money, so that they wouldn't cease from existence. They're the most desperate kids network in TV history. I don't even know for today's kids, if they actually like modern Nickelodeon.

Sonic Boom isn't really that great. Granted, you have the right to your own opinion. But it's just a cash grab for Sega to have kids buy their new sh*tty Sonic games, since the franchise wasn't that good when Sonic 06 was released.


Sonic 06 was terrible, and Sonic Wii was mediocre (despite having a decent Mario Party-style multiplayer), but I thought Sonic Generations and Sonic Colors were spectacular.

Sonic Boom isn't really that great. Granted, you have the right to your own opinion. But it's just a cash grab for Sega to have kids buy their new sh*tty Sonic games, since the franchise wasn't that good when Sonic 06 was released.


I wonder, do kids today really care about Sonic anymore? The last universally acclaimed Sonic game was Sonic & Knuckles which came out over 20 years ago, and the last that I remember getting a large amount of pre-release hype (Sonic Adventure 2) came out over 15 years ago. I just can't imagine that today's teens would have much interest in such a moribund gaming franchise.

I wonder, do kids today really care about Sonic anymore? The last universally acclaimed Sonic game was Sonic & Knuckles which came out over 20 years ago, and the last that I remember getting a large amount of pre-release hype (Sonic Adventure 2) came out over 15 years ago. I just can't imagine that today's teens would have much interest in such a moribund gaming franchise.


I don't think anybody cares about the franchise, except for those who actually grew up with the Sonic Genesis trilogy. Sonic was only good throughout the Genesis era, and then made a renaissance during the Game Boy Advance era. That's pretty much it for his legacy there. Sure, there's the Sonic TV shows like Sonic SatAM, Sonic Underground, and Sonic X, which has more reputation than the terrible modern Sonic games, but they aren't as legendary as the Genesis trilogy. It just sucks for Sega, because all they care about is reviving that damn blue hedgehog. They don't care about the other franchises they used during the Genesis era, like Ristar, Dynamite Headdy, Streets of Rage, Shining Force, Shinobi, Phantasy Star, etc. They only care about that hedgehog, which put them in the spotlight with the Super Nintendo. Even as someone who kinda liked Sonic in the late 2000s, he wasn't great or anything. He was just a stereotypical "cool" mascot for video games, especially when Sega used that dull "Blast Processing" ad campaign. What Sega needs to do now is to create a new mascot and revive themselves for a better reputation. That's what they should've done in the past 15 years, but they chose the opposite.

I wonder, do kids today really care about Sonic anymore? The last universally acclaimed Sonic game was Sonic & Knuckles which came out over 20 years ago, and the last that I remember getting a large amount of pre-release hype (Sonic Adventure 2) came out over 15 years ago. I just can't imagine that today's teens would have much interest in such a moribund gaming franchise.

Well, the adventure games were also praised.... And Sonic generations as well!

I don't think anybody cares about the franchise, except for those who actually grew up with the Sonic Genesis trilogy. Sonic was only good throughout the Genesis era, and then made a renaissance during the Game Boy Advance era.

Sonic was also good during the Dreamcast years...
IMO, Sonic games didn't start going downhill until Shadow's game.

Sonic was also good during the Dreamcast years...
IMO, Sonic games didn't start going downhill until Shadow's game.

The Adventure games were praised when they came out, but nowadays they seem to be rather disliked and considered "overrated", especially Adventure 2.

The criticisms seem to stem from the poor camera, the glitches, the treasure hunting/shooting stages which weren't as fun as the speed ones, and the anime-esque "overly-serious" stories (compared to the Genesis games, which had a cheesy and fun atmosphere).

Maybe if Sega made an SA3 that improved on the flaws of the first two adventures, they would be better appreciated. But since the Sonic series headed down an utterly wrong path from 2005-2009, and since Colors and Generations are allegedly better than the Adventures, people tend to focus the bad things the Adventure games started (Sonic having more friends, janky camera, too many alternate gameplay styles, etc.) rather than the good things.

They don't really need any explanation. We can easily tell that their channel sucks, because most of their current shows (especially their sitcoms) are completely sh*t. They just want to have money, so that they wouldn't cease from existence. They're the most desperate kids network in TV history. I don't even know for today's kids, if they actually like modern Nickelodeon.
Maybe the audience doesn't and that's what Nick needs to realize. With the way their network is, they could be gone before the next decade :o


I don't think anybody cares about the franchise, except for those who actually grew up with the Sonic Genesis trilogy. Sonic was only good throughout the Genesis era, and then made a renaissance during the Game Boy Advance era. That's pretty much it for his legacy there. Sure, there's the Sonic TV shows like Sonic SatAM, Sonic Underground, and Sonic X, which has more reputation than the terrible modern Sonic games, but they aren't as legendary as the Genesis trilogy. It just sucks for Sega, because all they care about is reviving that damn blue hedgehog. They don't care about the other franchises they used during the Genesis era, like Ristar, Dynamite Headdy, Streets of Rage, Shining Force, Shinobi, Phantasy Star, etc. They only care about that hedgehog, which put them in the spotlight with the Super Nintendo. Even as someone who kinda liked Sonic in the late 2000s, he wasn't great or anything. He was just a stereotypical "cool" mascot for video games, especially when Sega used that dull "Blast Processing" ad campaign. What Sega needs to do now is to create a new mascot and revive themselves for a better reputation. That's what they should've done in the past 15 years, but they chose the opposite.
They did have more franchises after the Genesis Era such as Panzer Dragoon, Virtua Fighter, and Nights for the Saturn and Crazy Taxi, Space Channel 5 and Jet Set Radio for the Dreamcast; however, I do agree that Sega should have branched out more games of their other franchises out and not just Sonic like Nintendo did. It would have boosted more of their success with the games and probably they would still be in the console business today.

Had that occurred, the game industry would totally different! :o


Sonic 06 was terrible, and Sonic Wii was mediocre (despite having a decent Mario Party-style multiplayer), but I thought Sonic Generations and Sonic Colors were spectacular.
What about Unleashed? That game wasn't even bad.

I don't think anybody cares about the franchise, except for those who actually grew up with the Sonic Genesis trilogy. Sonic was only good throughout the Genesis era, and then made a renaissance during the Game Boy Advance era. That's pretty much it for his legacy there. Sure, there's the Sonic TV shows like Sonic SatAM, Sonic Underground, and Sonic X, which has more reputation than the terrible modern Sonic games, but they aren't as legendary as the Genesis trilogy. It just sucks for Sega, because all they care about is reviving that damn blue hedgehog. They don't care about the other franchises they used during the Genesis era, like Ristar, Dynamite Headdy, Streets of Rage, Shining Force, Shinobi, Phantasy Star, etc. They only care about that hedgehog, which put them in the spotlight with the Super Nintendo. Even as someone who kinda liked Sonic in the late 2000s, he wasn't great or anything. He was just a stereotypical "cool" mascot for video games, especially when Sega used that dull "Blast Processing" ad campaign. What Sega needs to do now is to create a new mascot and revive themselves for a better reputation. That's what they should've done in the past 15 years, but they chose the opposite.


I agree. I was a major Sonic fan as a kid, and still have a soft spot in my heart for the old hedgehog even now, but I'll be the first to admit that the franchise has been running on fumes for the last decade, particularly since the abomination that was Sonic 06 was released. There have been some solid games in the series since then (like Sonic Generations, which I liked), but the stink of Sonic 06 still lingers like a rotting corpse.

You're right about Sega seemingly ignoring some of their other great 16-bit franchises, and Phantasy Star is a great example. At one point, the Phantasy Star series was on par with Final Fantasy when it came to RPG's. Phantasy Star IV was an awesome game, and one of the first RPG's that I ever played, but that entire franchise seems to have all but faded into obscurity in recent years, other than that crappy MMORPG that came out back in the early '00s.

Sonic was also good during the Dreamcast years...
IMO, Sonic games didn't start going downhill until Shadow's game.


This right here. Shadow is the generic badass, always has to be serious.


The Adventure games were praised when they came out, but nowadays they seem to be rather disliked and considered "overrated", especially Adventure 2.

The criticisms seem to stem from the poor camera, the glitches, the treasure hunting/shooting stages which weren't as fun as the speed ones, and the anime-esque "overly-serious" stories (compared to the Genesis games, which had a cheesy and fun atmosphere).

Maybe if Sega made an SA3 that improved on the flaws of the first two adventures, they would be better appreciated. But since the Sonic series headed down an utterly wrong path from 2005-2009, and since Colors and Generations are allegedly better than the Adventures, people tend to focus the bad things the Adventure games started (Sonic having more friends, janky camera, too many alternate gameplay styles, etc.) rather than the good things.


I consider Sonic Adventure 1 legendary for the soundtrack. Its very well crafted. Actually though, a lot of Sonic games do have boring, overly serious atmosphere. Sonic & Knuckles has a dark feel to it. While Sonic 1-2 is more carefree with a feel of isolated, mysterious. Mario still do so  well because the franchise has a overall excitingly fun atmosphere aside from Luigi's Mansion.

Sonic was also good during the Dreamcast years...
IMO, Sonic games didn't start going downhill until Shadow's game.


Eh... it depends. I'm not a big fan over the Dreamcast, since it was Sega's nail in the coffin for their consoles. But Sonic Adventure 1 and 2... were okay. I mean, pretty much any pre-Sonic 06 game was good, IMO. But those games weren't gold.


Maybe the audience doesn't and that's what Nick needs to realize. With the way their network is, they could be gone before the next decade :o


Yeah. Or maybe Viacom could at least do something with the low ratings that Nickelodeon is getting. But I don't know if that would help Nickelodeon survive through the decade.

They did have more franchises after the Genesis Era such as Panzer Dragoon, Virtua Fighter, and Nights for the Saturn and Crazy Taxi, Space Channel 5 and Jet Set Radio for the Dreamcast; however, I do agree that Sega should have branched out more games of their other franchises out and not just Sonic like Nintendo did. It would have boosted more of their success with the games and probably they would still be in the console business today.

Those franchises really need a new game, because they're really good. Sega could've done anything to revive those franchises.


Had that occurred, the game industry would totally different! :o


And video games from the 2010s would've been better.


I agree. I was a major Sonic fan as a kid, and still have a soft spot in my heart for the old hedgehog even now, but I'll be the first to admit that the franchise has been running on fumes for the last decade, particularly since the abomination that was Sonic 06 was released. There have been some solid games in the series since then (like Sonic Generations, which I liked), but the stink of Sonic 06 still lingers like a rotting corpse.


Not to mention that they use the formula for every modern Sonic game ever with Sonic 06, after it was released.


You're right about Sega seemingly ignoring some of their other great 16-bit franchises, and Phantasy Star is a great example. At one point, the Phantasy Star series was on par with Final Fantasy when it came to RPG's. Phantasy Star IV was an awesome game, and one of the first RPG's that I ever played, but that entire franchise seems to have all but faded into obscurity in recent years, other than that crappy MMORPG that came out back in the early '00s.


Yeah. I don't know why Sega isn't reviving their old franchises from the Genesis era. They used to be pretty well back then, along with having some of the best games in the 90s, IMO.

I was not into Sonic or anything Sega related growing up, but I would like to share this cool & dope video of Tara Babcock sharing this special Sega console which automatically has 80 Genesis games and much more details explained in the video.

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I was not into Sonic or anything Sega related growing up, but I would like to share this cool & dope video of Tara Babcock sharing this special Sega console which automatically has 80 Genesis games and much more details explained in the video.

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I actually wish I have that special console packed with 80 games in it. I do have Sonic's Ultimate Genesis Collection on the Xbox 360, but I can't find my 360's AC adapter, so it can't work for now. It's probably lost, but I don't care. I'm not a big fan over the Xbox 360 anyway.

Yeah. Or maybe Viacom could at least do something with the low ratings that Nickelodeon is getting. But I don't know if that would help Nickelodeon survive through the decade.

Those franchises really need a new game, because they're really good. Sega could've done anything to revive those franchises.

And video games from the 2010s would've been better.
Yeah, they can fix those things by producing better quality shows, having a longer schedule and more variety. Otherwise, it's a done deal for them.

They sure need to. However, I think it's not going to happen because the other franchises haven't appeared on other consoles since the 6th generation days. It's either been Sega collections or those Superstar games.

Yeah they would. The gaming industry also would still be strong; the Wii maybe wouldn't have been made and I think Xbox probably wouldn't have enter the console market if that all happened.

Yeah, they can fix those things by producing better quality shows, having a longer schedule and more variety. Otherwise, it's a done deal for them.

They sure need to. However, I think it's not going to happen because the other franchises haven't appeared on other consoles since the 6th generation days. It's either been Sega collections or those Superstar games.

Yeah they would. The gaming industry also would still be strong; the Wii maybe wouldn't have been made and I think Xbox probably wouldn't have enter the console market if that all happened.


They should do those things you said. I wish Nickelodeon could hear from their fans, which they should've done ever since they rebranded.

They should've remade them maybe.

At least Sega would've got more spotlight in the console market, if that happened.

They should do those things you said. I wish Nickelodeon could hear from their fans, which they should've done ever since they rebranded.

They should've remade them maybe.

At least Sega would've got more spotlight in the console market, if that happened.
I wish they did that too. That way, the audience can see what they want and not what the network wants. I have a feeling that it has to do with the current president of Nickelodeon.

They already did as they are already on other consoles in the downloadable section. What Sega really should have done is add more installments to their other franchises. Avoiding that was a huge mistake on their part.

Yes, they sure would have. I even think with that occurrence,  Nintendo and Sony would have to try much harder to regain the spotlight.

I wish they did that too. That way, the audience can see what they want and not what the network wants. I have a feeling that it has to do with the current president of Nickelodeon.

They already did as they are already on other consoles in the downloadable section. What Sega really should have done is add more installments to their other franchises. Avoiding that was a huge mistake on their part.

Yes, they sure would have. I even think with that occurrence,  Nintendo and Sony would have to try much harder to regain the spotlight.


Cyma Zarghami isn't treating Nickelodeon with respect. She probably thinks cartoons are meant only for kids, and that everything should modern. It sucks for the fact that she puts in cringeworthy memes and social media to get "hip with the kids", but it's not working for them.

Yeah, that should've been done years ago by Sega. I just bet that people wanted to see another installment of any Sega franchise. However, the company didn't give a sh*t about them after the Genesis discontinued. Well, except for Virtua Fighter and Sonic.

Well, Sony would've still be in the spotlight. I mean, if the Playstation 1-4 where some of the most successful consoles in gaming history, then it would've been no problem with them.

Cyma Zarghami isn't treating Nickelodeon with respect. She probably thinks cartoons are meant only for kids, and that everything should modern. It sucks for the fact that she puts in cringeworthy memes and social media to get "hip with the kids", but it's not working for them.

Yeah, that should've been done years ago by Sega. I just bet that people wanted to see another installment of any Sega franchise. However, the company didn't give a sh*t about them after the Genesis discontinued. Well, except for Virtua Fighter and Sonic.

Well, Sony would've still be in the spotlight. I mean, if the Playstation 1-4 where some of the most successful consoles in gaming history, then it would've been no problem with them.
I knew it! I feel like ever since she became president, she messed up Nickelodeon really badly. The fact she's isn't showing respect for the network and putting in cringeworthy things shows me she needs to resign. It makes me wonder how did she even became president of Nickelodeon if she was not  going to make good decisions in the first place. She should have been replaced 5/6 years ago.

I bet they were. There were definitely hardcore Sega fans back then and they were heartbroken to find out that many of their favorite franchises were not getting more installments like Sonic and Virtua Fighter. Sega truly f*cked up on that one. They absolutely should have listened to their audience. If they wanted to compete against Nintendo like they did with the Genesis, they should have added more new games to their franchises with the Saturn. Yes, the PS1 was already there; however, they would have not suffered a fatal loss like they did later on and the Saturn itself would have been discontinued in 2000/01 instead of 1998.

Yeah, Sony would still be in the spotlight; however, remember there wouldn't have been a PS4 during that time when Sega would have released their next console after the Dreamcast as it would have been 2006 by then and the PS3 just would have barely been released.

I knew it! I feel like ever since she became president, she messed up Nickelodeon really badly. The fact she's isn't showing respect for the network and putting in cringeworthy things shows me she needs to resign. It makes me wonder how did she even became president of Nickelodeon if she was not  going to make good decisions in the first place. She should have been replaced 5/6 years ago.

I bet they were. There were definitely hardcore Sega fans back then and they were heartbroken to find out that many of their favorite franchises were not getting more installments like Sonic and Virtua Fighter. Sega truly f*cked up on that one. They absolutely should have listened to their audience. If they wanted to compete against Nintendo like they did with the Genesis, they should have added more new games to their franchises with the Saturn. Yes, the PS1 was already there; however, they would have not suffered a fatal loss like they did later on and the Saturn itself would have been discontinued in 2000/01 instead of 1998.

Yeah, Sony would still be in the spotlight; however, remember there wouldn't have been a PS4 during that time when Sega would have released their next console after the Dreamcast as it would have been 2006 by then and the PS3 just would have barely been released.


She should've been replaced after Nickelodeon was rebranded, since it wasn't necessary to do. They didn't need some bland lower-cased piece of crap logo that made Nickelodeon infamous after 2009. Especially when they had low ratings because of that. I don't know how Nick is doing good these days, if they even treat their target audience like a disgrace.

Definitely agreed. It's like Sega could've been better if they made more installments from their Genesis franchises in the Saturn.

Well, that's understandable. If Sega was still in the console market in the mid 2000s, then it would've been more competition for Sony. But if Sega was still successful, I don't know about Sony.

She should've been replaced after Nickelodeon was rebranded, since it wasn't necessary to do. They didn't need some bland lower-cased piece of crap logo that made Nickelodeon infamous after 2009. Especially when they had low ratings because of that. I don't know how Nick is doing good these days, if they even treat their target audience like a disgrace.

Definitely agreed. It's like Sega could've been better if they made more installments from their Genesis franchises in the Saturn.

Well, that's understandable. If Sega was still in the console market in the mid 2000s, then it would've been more competition for Sony. But if Sega was still successful, I don't know about Sony.
That's exactly what the network needs to do. By firing her, they can definitely get someone better, make good decisions and focus more 3 on the audience instead of themselves.

And on the Dreamcast. I feel like they had huge egos at the time and they seem to forgot about their audience and the new installments to their games. In addition, they were so focused on innovating in the game industry they even forgot that having balance was important which crushed them in the end by not having that ability.

Sony would have still been there. Since the PS2 was a success, they would have still made the PS3 (although the console could have been different) despite Sega still continuing in the market. Sony already knows what their audiences want which made them succeed overall. Now for Nintendo, had Sega placed 2nd during the Saturn and Dreamcast eras, they would have had to change their plans to keep with the competition which means the N64 could have had CDs instead of cartridges. The GameCube probably would have been called something else and not look like a children's toy. Then most likely, the Wii would have not been developed therefore none of that motion control stuff which was for people to get moving and the Nintendo fans absolutely would be much happier.

That's exactly what the network needs to do. By firing her, they can definitely get someone better, make good decisions and focus more 3 on the audience instead of themselves.

And on the Dreamcast. I feel like they had huge egos at the time and they seem to forgot about their audience and the new installments to their games. In addition, they were so focused on innovating in the game industry they even forgot that having balance was important which crushed them in the end by not having that ability.


And Nickelodeon could've been like modern Cartoon Network.

Yeah. Sega was just rushing their way to become cool in the late 90s, even though the Dreamcast wasn't even as cool as the PS2, Xbox, or even the Gamecube.

And Nickelodeon could've been like modern Cartoon Network.

Yeah. Sega was just rushing their way to become cool in the late 90s, even though the Dreamcast wasn't even as cool as the PS2, Xbox, or even the Gamecube.
Yeah, it could have. Just imagine if someone else had been picked as president of Nickelodeon instead of Cyma, the network would not only be much better already, it would also never changed to that awful logo.

Probably so because they saw Sony taking their coolness away from them (As Playstation was the hot new thing back then) and wanted to regain it back by bruising their egos instead of having a friendly competition. Even if the Dreamcast might not have been as cool as the others, the console still had some fantastic games.

Yeah, it could have. Just imagine if someone else had been picked as president of Nickelodeon instead of Cyma, the network would not only be much better already, it would also never changed to that awful logo.

Probably so because they saw Sony taking their coolness away from them (As Playstation was the hot new thing back then) and wanted to regain it back by bruising their egos instead of having a friendly competition. Even if the Dreamcast might not have been as cool as the others, the console still had some fantastic games.


If they chose anybody that could've continued Nickelodeon's legacy, especially without a logo change, then I would've liked the network better.

Well, the Dreamcast barely had any reputation before it was discontinued. Especially when Sony beaten their ass to it back in 2000/2001.

If they chose anybody that could've continued Nickelodeon's legacy, especially without a logo change, then I would've liked the network better.

Well, the Dreamcast barely had any reputation before it was discontinued. Especially when Sony beaten their ass to it back in 2000/2001.
Same here. Choosing that lady was a mistake and because of that, she destroyed Nickelodeon.

Right, but if had the Saturn made success, Sony would have had to try harder to kick Sega's ass to win #1.

I'm just imagining how powerful the 6th, 7th and 8th generations would be right now. Gaming would be very strong today :D

Same here. Choosing that lady was a mistake and because of that, she destroyed Nickelodeon.

Right, but if had the Saturn made success, Sony would have had to try harder to kick Sega's ass to win #1.

I'm just imagining how powerful the 6th, 7th and 8th generations would be right now. Gaming would be very strong today :D


She didn't even know what to do for the network. She just thought it would be a success with her, but she was wrong.

Yeah. The Saturn would've been more popular than the Playstation if Sega wasn't crappy by then. They would've been like Sony, but probably better.

Nintendo and Sega would still be console rivals and the Console Wars would've been more epic.

She didn't even know what to do for the network. She just thought it would be a success with her, but she was wrong.

Yeah. The Saturn would've been more popular than the Playstation if Sega wasn't crappy by then. They would've been like Sony, but probably better.

Nintendo and Sega would still be console rivals and the Console Wars would've been more epic.
And that's why she needs to resign or get fired. Her choices have not been excellent and because of that, she lost the entire Nickelodeon audience within a few years. I actually rather still have the president of Nickelodeon who was before Cyma. Even though it was the Silver age, it was still awesome.

Maybe so as they had their own exclusives while Playstation didn't for the first few years. Even more, it would have succeeded had it not been expensive (it was $400 at the start) and at least had a major Sonic title.

They sure would although I'm pretty sure they would all be rivals to each other, but it would still be a friendly competition instead of an ego to see who's better than who.