I'm nostalgic for everything 2010 and before. I'm slowly starting to get some nostalgia for early 2011, but pretty much everything before 2011 is dated to me.


Some years I'm not very nostalgic for yet, but I'm sure I would be as time passes. The years that I'm not nostalgic for are still decent years though. For example I have no early 10's nostalgia, but I don't have much of an issue with my time in the early '10s.

It was just another day.

I'm nostalgic for everything 2010 and before. I'm slowly starting to get some nostalgia for early 2011, but pretty much everything before 2011 is dated to me.


I'm nostalgic for anything before 2010.

I'm nostalgic for anything before 2010.


I'm actually not nostalgic for 2009 though. That year STILL to this day feels recent!

I'm actually not nostalgic for 2009 though. That year STILL to this day feels recent!


True. Honestly, it felt like a 2000s year, but it had some 2010s influences.

I'm actually not nostalgic for 2009 though. That year STILL to this day feels recent!


2009 had great music and movies but that's about it. I definitely don't get nostalgic for that year either because the economy was in bad shape just months after the stock market crash, middle school life was still tough for me as it usually was, and there were a lot of big deaths that year like Michael Jackson. However, that Summer 2009 was epic for me, because of the party I went to at my cousins' roundabout neighborhood since they were moving out of state, which had tons of family and neighbors. At the party I made some friends and I had a huge crush on this girl who was over there and I had a great time with her. Unfortunately, it was the only time I saw them and haven't seen them ever since. :\'( Then I went to St. Simons Island for the first time for an entire week which was epic. I wouldn't say that summer was the best like 2006 or 2011, but it's right behind those though.

I'm nostalgic for 2009-10 school year so bad. I was friends with everybody at school and all the girls wanted to rub my shiny moisturized chest  :\'( The EDM music was also crazy fun.

University has been more fun for the most part though. But it's still ongoing so it's hard to be nostalgic. I imagine I'll be instantly nostalgic once I'm back at work though  ;D A lot of my friends who've already graduated are.


2009 had great music and movies but that's about it. I definitely don't get nostalgic for that year either because the economy was in bad shape just months after the stock market crash, middle school life was still tough for me as it usually was, and there were a lot of big deaths that year like Michael Jackson. However, that Summer 2009 was epic for me, because of the party I went to at my cousins' roundabout neighborhood since they were moving out of state, which had tons of family and neighbors. At the party I made some friends and I had a huge crush on this girl who was over there and I had a great time with her. Unfortunately, it was the only time I saw them and haven't seen them ever since. :\'( Then I went to St. Simons Island for the first time for an entire week which was epic. I wouldn't say that summer was the best like 2006 or 2011, but it's right behind those though.


That sucks about middle school man. I hated it too  8-P

I'm undeniably nostalgic for 2010-2011 and 2012 to an extend. Early Miguel, Drake, Big Sean and Nicki Minaj were fun to listen to. Beats by Dr. Dre were exciting. Cartoon Network was supposedly revived. Victorious was still airing, which I actually enjoyed. Saints Row 3 was one of the games you needed to have. YouTube was in its finale and the time actually had a specific feel. The early 2010s were pretty decent as I look back.

I'm undeniably nostalgic for 2010-2011 and 2012 to an extend. Early Miguel, Drake, Big Sean and Nicki Minaj were fun to listen to. Beats by Dr. Dre were exciting. Cartoon Network was supposedly revived. Victorious was still airing, which I actually enjoyed. Saints Row 3 was one of the games you needed to have. YouTube was in its finale and the time actually had a specific feel. The early 2010s were pretty decent as I look back.


Drake in 2010 was so badass!  ;D ;D

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Drake in 2010 was so badass!  ;D ;D

2lTB1pIg1y0


YESSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This was MY song when I was 14 hands down. 2010 music just gave me too much sweat at the time it was going on.

and this one too!

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Here's some modern songs from Drake I really like or have a guilty pleasure for. "No Lie" is probably the last one I can consider as from the old Drake era. From 2013-present it's been modern Drake for sure!

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and this one too!


Loved that one!

Not a popular opinion, but I think I like his mid-2010s stuff. I don't get to listen to him often (I seriously only sat down to listen to Hotline Bling like two weeks ago  ;D). My favourite songs of his are Started From the Bottom and Hotline Bling.

Loved that one!

Not a popular opinion, but I think I like his mid-2010s stuff. I don't get to listen to him often (I seriously only sat down to listen to Hotline Bling like two weeks ago  ;D). My favourite songs of his are Started From the Bottom and Hotline Bling.


Drake has always been good for me. His rap songs are enjoyable but he makes it really fun and entertaining at the same time. Sometimes you'll LMAO so hard in the middle of his lyrics, and a lot of his beats or instrumentals can get stuck in your head too. You can't say the same for many other hip hop artists out there.

I like Drake. He makes good music.

Loved that one!

Not a popular opinion, but I think I like his mid-2010s stuff. I don't get to listen to him often (I seriously only sat down to listen to Hotline Bling like two weeks ago  ;D). My favourite songs of his are Started From the Bottom and Hotline Bling.


The only reason you probably like Drake is because you're both Canadian. :P

The only reason you probably like Drake is because you're both Canadian. :P


Not me, I have many American friends near my age younger or older who enjoy Drake's music. I've been into Drake regularly since 2009. Since you were born in the early 80's I can understand why you might be too old for Drake.

Not me, I have many American friends near my age younger or older who enjoy Drake's music. I've been into Drake regularly since 2009. Since you were born in the early 80's I can understand why you might be too old for Drake.


Haha, I was just messin' with SlowpokeMc2001 up there. Drake's the music of your guys time so it makes sense why you relate to him. Me? I relate more the stuff before 2004 like blink-182 or New Found Glory (as I've said too many times). ;D

The only reason you probably like Drake is because you're both Canadian. :P


He's a Good Ontario Boy.

He's a Good Ontario Boy.


Are Hedley good Ontario boys, too? They're pretty awful. 8-P

Are Hedley good Ontario boys, too? They're pretty awful. 8-P


I've never heard of Hedley, but if they're from Ontario, chances are they are Good Ontario Boys too unless America corrupted them.  :P

I've never heard of Hedley, but if they're from Ontario, there's a good chance they are Good Ontario Boys too unless America has corrupted them.  :P


Nope! They've never charted in 'Merica.

Good Ontario Boys
- (old) Sum 41
- Treble Charger
- (old) Protest the Hero
- (old) Billy Talent

Lame Ontario Dickwads
- All the bands SlowpokeMc2001 likes

;D ;D ;D

Nope! They've never charted in 'Merica.

Good Ontario Boys
- (old) Sum 41
- Treble Charger
- (old) Protest the Hero
- (old) Billy Talent

Lame Ontario Dickwads
- All the bands SlowpokeMc2001 likes

;D ;D ;D


Every Ontario boy is a Good Ontario Boy by default! You can ask Don Cherry. Look at Justin Bieber, he was an innocent Good Ontario Boy when he debuted, and then he went to America and got corrupted, he got recorded peeing in a janitor's bleach bucket and punching Brazilians  >:( America is corrupting our boys.

Every Ontario boy is a Good Ontario Boy by default! You can ask Don Cherry. Look at Justin Bieber, he was an innocent Good Ontario Boy when he debuted, and then he went to America and got corrupted, he got recorded peeing in a janitor's bleach bucket and punching Brazilians  >:( America is corrupting our boys.


Nobody likes Don Cherry, though! He is a beer drinking hockey nut.

Nobody likes Don Cherry, though! He is a beer drinking hockey nut.


Err, everyone likes beer drinkers, and everybody likes hockey nuts. What's not to like about a beer drinking hockey nut?

Err, everyone likes beer drinkers, and everybody likes hockey nuts. What's not to like about a beer drinking hockey nut?


Everything! >:(

Everything! >:(


Well, they pretty much have a lot of beer/hockey nuts in Canada. It's sort of like their culture.

Well, they pretty much have a lot of beer/hockey nuts in Canada. It's sort of like their culture.


Yeah, my uncle is Canadian so I've been to Canada quite a few times and let me say, Canada's culture is like exactly like an episode of Bob and Doug. America is like an episode of Family Guy.

Yeah, my uncle is Canadian so I've been to Canada quite a few times and let me say, Canada's culture is like exactly like an episode of Bob and Doug. America is like an episode of Family Guy.


Northeast America is like an episode of Family Guy. For Southwest America, it's like an episode of King of the Hill, but it depends on the conservative/liberal towns they live in.

Northeast America is like an episode of Family Guy. For Southwest America, it's like an episode of King of the Hill, but it depends on the conservative/liberal towns they live in.


Haha, that is so true. Get Bill and Ted mixed with some Beavis and Butthead, add a lil' Jeff Spicoli and you've got California.

I suppose it was in roughly 2013 when the '00s became distinct from the '10s.

2011

Iraq war ended, Osama bin laden was killed, the Recession faded away, the Harry Potter movies ended, and social media jumped up a layer in "ubiquity".

12/31/09

12/31/09


Heh. You're the first person that I've met whom used that choice. Although, I think some 2000s vibes didn't die off until early 2011.

12/31/09


I'm with you on that one.

It ended chronologically at the end of December 2009. But when do I think it FULLY died off... 2011.

I'm going to stick with 2009 for sure, with echoes lasting as late as 2011.  The '00s faded out a lot quicker than the '90s did, which had echoes all the way to 2006.

2012 or 2013.

Late 2008 and 2009 feel like 2010's years, even though they are very different from today. It didn't feel like the 00's anymore, perhaps just 00's holdovers lasted until 2011. But I would say the 00's ended for the most part around 08'.

I'm going to stick with 2009 for sure, with echoes lasting as late as 2011.  The '00s faded out a lot quicker than the '90s did, which had echoes all the way to 2006.

I would agree with your 00's statement. But the 90s only echoed until 2002 at the latest for me.

2012 or 2013.

In my opinion the 00's were long gone by 2012.

In my opinion the 00's were long gone by 2012.


What a fast decade.

What a fast decade.


It didn't go by fast enough, though! :-\\

Late 2008 and 2009 feel like 2010's years, even though they are very different from today. It didn't feel like the 00's anymore, perhaps just 00's holdovers lasted until 2011. But I would say the 00's ended for the most part around 08'.


The farther we get from 2008 the less that seems true in my opinion.  With the exception of Obama being elected and 'Just Dance' by Lady Gaga at the top of the charts, there really isn't much that's '10s about 2008.  The '10s began in the fall of 2009 at the earliest.  That's when I first started hearing about hipsters and when electropop took over completely.  Even then, the smartphone/tablet revolution didn't begin until 2010.

Ironic thing is though Lady Gaga's debut is often thought of as the moment the '10s began on this board, the electropop era has been over now for longer than it actually lasted.  I am actually starting to think of electropop as more of a late '00s holdover the longer time goes on, being that it was already over around 2012.

The farther we get from 2008 the less that seems true in my opinion.  With the exception of Obama being elected and 'Just Dance' by Lady Gaga at the top of the charts, there really isn't much that's '10s about 2008.  The '10s began in the fall of 2009 at the earliest.  That's when I first started hearing about hipsters and when electropop took over completely.  Even then, the smartphone/tablet revolution didn't begin until 2010.

Ironic thing is though Lady Gaga's debut is often thought of as the moment the '10s began on this board, the electropop era has been over now for longer than it actually lasted.  I am actually starting to think of electropop as more of a late '00s holdover the longer time goes on, being that it was already over around 2012.


Well, the Great Recession kicked into full gear during late 2008, and by the time of Obama's inauguration, everyday life had been dramatically affected for hundreds of millions across the globe. Additionally, Facebook surpassed MySpace in popularity around the end of 2008, not to mention HDTV became standard by 2009. Snap music, despite its strength in early 2008 with "Low," was dead once 2009 started, even though some urban songs, like "Dead and Gone" and "Blame It (On the Alcohol)" still sounded late 2000s. iPhones, though still far from standard, were just starting to become a common sight by the start of 2009. Proposition 8 passing in California brought the gay marriage question to a whole new level of significance, particularly because gay marriage had been legal for a few months before people voted to take that right away, and in a state usually categorized as a hotbed of American progressivism. Finally, not only did Barack Obama become President of the United States, the Republican Party almost immediately re-coalesced into the Tea Party after Rick Santelli (not to be confused with Rick Santorum) made a rant on CNBC in February 2009.

To be fair, there were still enough 2000s influences lingering on throughout 2009 and the beginning of 2010 that I can go along with the idea that the 2010s, like the 1920s, began on time. However, even with emo, post-grunge, Blackberry phones, Wii, Hannah Montana, MySpace, and The Office hanging on throughout that year, all of the shifts that occurred throughout the course of the 2008-2009 school year were seismic enough that I think 2009 felt much closer to the early 2010s than the rest of the late 2000s regardless.

I really don't see electropop as a late 2000s holdover because it's far more similar to the EDM of today than more urban-oriented music from the late 2000s like "4 Minutes," "Low," and "Fergalicious." That would be like saying Nirvana was an 80s holdover because they released their first album in 1989, their second during a time that still had a lot of late 80s influences, and because they disbanded before the chronological 90s were even halfway over.

It didn't go by fast enough, though! :-\\


Bad decade for you?

Well, the Great Recession kicked into full gear during late 2008, and by the time of Obama's inauguration, everyday life had been dramatically affected for hundreds of millions across the globe. Additionally, Facebook surpassed MySpace in popularity around the end of 2008, not to mention HDTV became standard by 2009. Snap music, despite its strength in early 2008 with "Low," was dead once 2009 started, even though some urban songs, like "Dead and Gone" and "Blame It (On the Alcohol)" still sounded late 2000s. iPhones, though still far from standard, were just starting to become a common sight by the start of 2009. Proposition 8 passing in California brought the gay marriage question to a whole new level of significance, particularly because gay marriage had been legal for a few months before people voted to take that right away, and in a state usually categorized as a hotbed of American progressivism. Finally, not only did Barack Obama become President of the United States, the Republican Party almost immediately re-coalesced into the Tea Party after Rick Santelli (not to be confused with Rick Santorum) made a rant on CNBC in February 2009.

To be fair, there were still enough 2000s influences lingering on throughout 2009 and the beginning of 2010 that I can go along with the idea that the 2010s, like the 1920s, began on time. However, even with emo, post-grunge, Blackberry phones, Wii, Hannah Montana, MySpace, and The Office hanging on throughout that year, all of the shifts that occurred throughout the course of the 2008-2009 school year were seismic enough that I think 2009 felt much closer to the early 2010s than the rest of the late 2000s regardless.

I really don't see electropop as a late 2000s holdover because it's far more similar to the EDM of today than more urban-oriented music from the late 2000s like "4 Minutes," "Low," and "Fergalicious." That would be like saying Nirvana was an 80s holdover because they released their first album in 1989, their second during a time that still had a lot of late 80s influences, and because they disbanded before the chronological 90s were even halfway over.


The 08-09 school year was the school year the 00s die. It was 60/40 or even 50/50.

The 2000s really were short lived. :D I mean it felt like ended on time, ya know! :o :o :o

I would agree with your 00's statement. But the 90s only echoed until 2002 at the latest for me.

Maybe it's because I moved that year, but 2003 was when the 90s last echoed for me.

The 2000s really were short lived. :D I mean it felt like ended on time, ya know! :o :o :o


It ended during the 08-09 or 09-10 school year.

It ended during the 08-09 or 09-10 school year.

Feels like the 2008-09 season. I mean DAMN talk about the end of an era. :D

The farther we get from 2008 the less that seems true in my opinion.  With the exception of Obama being elected and 'Just Dance' by Lady Gaga at the top of the charts, there really isn't much that's '10s about 2008.  The '10s began in the fall of 2009 at the earliest.  That's when I first started hearing about hipsters and when electropop took over completely.  Even then, the smartphone/tablet revolution didn't begin until 2010.

Ironic thing is though Lady Gaga's debut is often thought of as the moment the '10s began on this board, the electropop era has been over now for longer than it actually lasted.  I am actually starting to think of electropop as more of a late '00s holdover the longer time goes on, being that it was already over around 2012.


Hipsters have been around for a long time. I remember back in 2005 Emo/Scene kids and Hipster were pretty much synonymous with each other. The only difference was the hipster was seen more as someone who was hip and college aged rather than a whiny teenager but the foundations between the two (fashion and music taste) were basically the same. Here's some 2005 issues from a web comic I used to read:

"Kill the Hipsters"
https://web.archive.org/web/20120319104144im_/http://www.mitchclem.com/nothingnice/comics/20050815.gif

"Androgyny and Me"
https://web.archive.org/web/20120319112806im_/http://www.mitchclem.com/nothingnice/comics/20050418.gif

This continued on throughout the late 00's but it became a lot more neon and party oriented. I think the transition to what being a hipster means today started with Juno with the whole vintage T and indie rock thing. Here's a photo from 2008 that shows the transition between the 00's hipster and the 10's hipster:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-MzYedzF3mS0/UJ2PtZm-MII/AAAAAAAAAAc/hW1F4mcRdws/s1600/Hypebeast2008BIG.jpg


Bad decade for you?


It was alright for my personal life but I do not like the culture of it at all. 2000, 2001 and 2002 are incredible years and 2003 is ok. Everything else is not for me.

"Kill the Hipsters"
https://web.archive.org/web/20120319104144im_/http://www.mitchclem.com/nothingnice/comics/20050815.gif

"Androgyny and Me"
https://web.archive.org/web/20120319112806im_/http://www.mitchclem.com/nothingnice/comics/20050418.gif



Oh wow. When it comes to hipsters 2005 is different from 2015. Seems that in the mid '00s people hated hipsters. In the mid '10s being a hipster is a popular fad.

To be fair, there were still enough 2000s influences lingering on throughout 2009 and the beginning of 2010 that I can go along with the idea that the 2010s, like the 1920s, began on time. However, even with emo, post-grunge, Blackberry phones, Wii, Hannah Montana, MySpace, and The Office hanging on throughout that year, all of the shifts that occurred throughout the course of the 2008-2009 school year were seismic enough that I think 2009 felt much closer to the early 2010s than the rest of the late 2000s regardless.


I can go with 2009 being '10s but definitely not 2008.  There was a big difference between those two years in my opinion.  2008 was overall more like 2007 and 2009 was more like 2010.

Oh wow. When it comes to hipsters 2005 is different from 2015. Seems that in the mid '00s people hated hipsters. In the mid '10s being a hipster is a popular fad.


Yeeepppp. Hipsters/faux-Emo kids were probably one of the most hated things back then. I hated it because I was the only listening to real Emo from 1995-2003 before the faux-Emo kids took over and ruined everything. One thing that hasn't changed since 2005 is that hipsters think they're "hip" and "underground" while listening to stuff that's actually pretty mainstream (in 2005, that was My Chemical Romance; today that's... I dunno... Those Imagine Dragon guys maybe).

The farther we get from 2008 the less that seems true in my opinion.  With the exception of Obama being elected and 'Just Dance' by Lady Gaga at the top of the charts, there really isn't much that's '10s about 2008.  The '10s began in the fall of 2009 at the earliest.  That's when I first started hearing about hipsters and when electropop took over completely.  Even then, the smartphone/tablet revolution didn't begin until 2010.

Ironic thing is though Lady Gaga's debut is often thought of as the moment the '10s began on this board, the electropop era has been over now for longer than it actually lasted.  I am actually starting to think of electropop as more of a late '00s holdover the longer time goes on, being that it was already over around 2012.

There is still some electro pop that is popular today on the radio. So it didn't go completely in 2012. Lady Gaga, Electropop, Obama, are all 10's things to me. The early 2010's play a bigger role in the 2010's decade than they do in the 2000s decade.

I can go with 2009 being '10s but definitely not 2008.  There was a big difference between those two years in my opinion.  2008 was overall more like 2007 and 2009 was more like 2010.

Even the second half of 2008? Everything changed around Fall 2008 which made it similar to 2009. 2007 is completely different though.

What a fast decade.

It was short and sweet. I loved the 00's, it's the best decade ever.

The 2000s really were short lived. :D I mean it felt like ended on time, ya know! :o :o :o



Maybe it's because I moved that year, but 2003 was when the 90s last echoed for me.


My thoughts exactly. 2000s felt like it came and went at a fast rate. Made it even stranger when you take in consideration on the rapid changes that occurred within the decade. 2010s is more consistent and every year feels like it's it belongs in 1 decade.

I can go with 2009 being '10s but definitely not 2008.  There was a big difference between those two years in my opinion.  2008 was overall more like 2007 and 2009 was more like 2010.


Yep, 2008 is clearly still late 2000s, especially the first half, though even the second half hardly had that early 2010s atmosphere to it, as Obama was not yet in office, Lady Gaga hadn't fully blown up yet, people hadn't yet gotten their iPhone 2's for Christmas and Hanukah, and the effects of the Great Recession still weren't quite fully set into place.

Frankly, if you're coming from a British perspective, there's even more reason to pinpoint 2010 as the start of the cultural 2010s because on top of Gordon Brown still being the Prime Minister through all of 2009, before David Cameron returned the Conservative Party to power for the first time since 1997, the Lady Gaga wave of electropop was not that distinguishable from the electronic dance music that had been successful there throughout the 2000s but not in the United States. Here's a slice of just some of what was popular in Great Britain during the mid-late 2000s in place of most of the awful snap songs in America:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgurcTTsIv0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxu6iQ28arw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ojHWQrm4UM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZqvvy0dfw8

It was short and sweet. I loved the 00's, it's the best decade ever.


It was alright.

Yep, 2008 is clearly still late 2000s, especially the first half, though even the second half hardly had that early 2010s atmosphere to it, as Obama was not yet in office, Lady Gaga hadn't fully blown up yet, people hadn't yet gotten their iPhone 2's for Christmas and Hanukah, and the effects of the Great Recession still weren't quite fully set into place.

Frankly, if you're coming from a British perspective, there's even more reason to pinpoint 2010 as the start of the cultural 2010s because on top of Gordon Brown still being the Prime Minister through all of 2009, before David Cameron returned the Conservative Party to power for the first time since 1997, the Lady Gaga wave of electropop was not that distinguishable from the electronic dance music that had been successful there throughout the 2000s but not in the United States. Here's a slice of just some of what was popular in Great Britain during the mid-late 2000s in place of most of the awful snap songs in America:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgurcTTsIv0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxu6iQ28arw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ojHWQrm4UM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZqvvy0dfw8

But electropop started before Lady Gaga. She just made it super mainstream. Katy Perry was popular in summer of 08' and a couple of other hip-hop songs were electronic like "Low". Therre were some other electro pop songs too. 2008 was a transitional year. The second half felt different than the first half. All throughout 2008 it was about Obama and it felt like a changing year.

The 2000s really were short lived. :D I mean it felt like ended on time, ya know! :o :o :o


Well, there were echoes of the '00s that lived until late 2010 for me. That's when 2010s culture fully started to me.

The change that occurred in 2011 was not as big as the one in 2008. Although I do agree there was a change in 2011, it wasn't as apparent as 2008. Music in 09' and 11' sound pretty much identical.

But electropop started before Lady Gaga. She just made it super mainstream. Katy Perry was popular in summer of 08' and a couple of other hip-hop songs were electronic like "Low". Therre were some other electro pop songs too. 2008 was a transitional year. The second half felt different than the first half. All throughout 2008 it was about Obama and it felt like a changing year.


"I Kissed a Girl" isn't really electropop, it's not quite synthy enough. It's just a late 2000s pop song with a swig beat, similar to "The Sweet Escape." "Hot n Cold" just about qualifies as electropop, but its instrumentation and feel are still pretty 2000s and don't sound identical to electronic dance from 2009 to 2012, even Perry's own Teenage Dream album.

"Low" is electropop? Just because it has an upbeat tempo doesn't make it electropop. It's basically typical late 2000s snap music, along the lines of "Bartender," "Lollipop," and Ciara's "Get Up."

"I Kissed a Girl" isn't really electropop, it's not quite synthy enough. It's just a late 2000s pop song with a swig beat, similar to "The Sweet Escape." "Hot n Cold" just about qualifies as electropop, but its instrumentation and feel are still pretty 2000s and don't sound identical to electronic dance from 2009 to 2012, even Perry's own Teenage Dream album.

"Low" is electropop? Just because it has an upbeat tempo doesn't make it electropop. It's basically typical late 2000s snap music, along the lines of "Bartender," "Lollipop," and Ciara's "Get Up."

Those were bad examples but there's Hot n' Cold, Forever by Chris Brown, Love in this Club Usher, and I do consider Lollipop electro. All of these songs came out in 2008.
Funny, I remember not a long time ago almost everyone on the forum agreed late 2008 is when a big shift happened. Now everyone's saying 2009. XD

Those were bad examples but there's Hot n' Cold, Forever by Chris Brown, Love in this Club Usher, and I do consider Lollipop electro. All of these songs came out in 2008.

I already mentioned how I think "Hot n' Cold" sounds more late 2000s despite technically being dance/electro. Like "Low," "Lollipop" is just straightforward late 2000s snap, simply having a few light synthesizers does NOT make it electropop in the Lady Gaga/Ke$ha sense. And how are "Forever" and "Love in This Club" early 2010s-style electropop? "Forever" is quintessential late 2000s urban, with an upbeat tempo but also a strong focus on percussion instead of fleshy synthesizers, making it essentially in the same vein as Loose/FutureSex/LoveSounds/Shock Value-era Timbaland. "Love in This Club" is also typical late 2000s, a lot closer to T-Pain than true electropop. In fact, both Chris Brown and Usher began recording straight-up electropop in 2010, so the contrast is even more obvious. Does "Love in This Club" really sound like "DJ Got Us Fallin' in Love" and is "Forever" seriously the same type of music as "Yeah 3X?" If all of those songs you mentioned are early 2010s-style, then I guess these all must be as well:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0SyUgw98tE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBrRBZy8OTs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKDdT_nyP54

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_HKH7Emy1SY

There's actually a remake of "Forever" that came out in spring 2009, which basically showcases what the song's production would've been closer to had it come out a year later:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptDQbiVgUWM

Sometime between the market crash of 2008 and the Iraq War being declared over in late 2011.
The '10s arrived pretty much right on time.

Those were bad examples but there's Hot n' Cold, Forever by Chris Brown, Love in this Club Usher, and I do consider Lollipop electro. All of these songs came out in 2008.
Funny, I remember not a long time ago almost everyone on the forum agreed late 2008 is when a big shift happened. Now everyone's saying 2009. XD


All of those songs sound more '00s than '10s.

It's a lot easier to judge cultural trends in hindsight than it is when they are happening.  There WAS change happening in 2008, but a lot of people tend to overstate the year's association to the cultural '10s and understate its association with the '00s.  Most cultural trends in '08 were more like '05 than '11.  Another than is that from the perspective of 2016, we now see how much a blip the Lady Gaga era was in the overall evolution of pop culture.  The decade has not been defined by what was happening in 2009 and 2010 like many thought it would be.

Late 2009 was much more culturally aligned with the '10s than '08 was.  By late 2009, you had Lady Gaga at her peak, Ke$ha, the new Britney Spears, Justin Bieber, hipsters, Obama was actually in office, etc.

What's your guys opinions on early 2009. Do you think it leaned more towards the 00s or 10s?

What's your guys opinions on early 2009. Do you think it leaned more towards the 00s or 10s?


I would say half and half.

Poker Face was everywhere in early 2009, but so was "Dead and Gone" by T.I. and "Love Lockdown" by Kanye West, both of which are late '00s sounding songs.

Obama was in, but so was scene and emo.  The first half of 2009 was definitely a hybrid.  The second half of 2008 leaned more towards the '00s and the second half of 2009 leaned more towards the '10s.

All of those songs sound more '00s than '10s.

It's a lot easier to judge cultural trends in hindsight than it is when they are happening.  There WAS change happening in 2008, but a lot of people tend to overstate the year's association to the cultural '10s and understate its association with the '00s.  Most cultural trends in '08 were more like '05 than '11.  Another than is that from the perspective of 2016, we now see how much a blip the Lady Gaga era was in the overall evolution of pop culture.  The decade has not been defined by what was happening in 2009 and 2010 like many thought it would be.

Late 2009 was much more culturally aligned with the '10s than '08 was.  By late 2009, you had Lady Gaga at her peak, Ke$ha, the new Britney Spears, Justin Bieber, hipsters, Obama was actually in office, etc.

Yeah since 2009-10, it feels like we've been in one BIG era since. There was some cultural changes in 2011 and 2013, but they weren't MAJOR changes. Fall 2008-early 2009 was the biggest transitional period/change in culutre; the likes of which I HAD NEVER SEEN, and I haven't seen anything like it since.

What's your guys opinions on early 2009. Do you think it leaned more towards the 00s or 10s?

First half leaned a little more late 00s, but the fall.... definitely early 10s.
Just like how 2013 was a half early and a half mid 10s year. ;)

A little off topic, but I REALLY wish this style of R&B remained consistent throughout the decade; or maybe it did. XD
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Yeah since 2009-10, it feels like we've been in one BIG era since. There was some cultural changes in 2011 and 2013, but they weren't MAJOR changes. Fall 2008-early 2009 was the biggest transitional period/change in culutre; the likes of which I HAD NEVER SEEN, and I haven't seen anything like it since.


Exactly. I think the 08-09 school year brought a proper end to the 00s. This I guess was the my "peak "of childhood. Since 2nd grade is the middle of elementary school. Even though I consider 2008 to be the peak childhood year for anyone born in late 2000.

Exactly. I think the 08-09 school year brought a proper end to the 00s. This I guess was the my "peak "of childhood. Since 2nd grade is the middle of elementary school. Even though I consider 2008 to be the peak childhood year for anyone born in late 2000.

Agreed bro! 7/8 is usually the peak of someone's childhood. Since I was born in October of 95, 2003 is ''my'' quintessential childhood year.
Also...It feels weird talking to a 2000 born tbh! ;D ;)

Agreed bro! 7/8 is usually the peak of someone's childhood. Since I was born in October of 95, 2003 is ''my'' quintessential childhood year.
Also...It feels weird talking to a 2000 born tbh! ;D ;)


I think people born late 2000 aka the first half of the CO2019 are the ultimate late 2000s kid.

2008 and 2009 didn't feel like that big of a change to me.

2008 and 2009 didn't feel like that big of a change to me.

Seriously?! ??? ;D

Seriously?! ??? ;D


Yeah, it felt like a gradual change.

Yeah, it felt like a gradual change.

It felt sudden for me... Obama becoming president, elctropop taking over crank rap and emo rock, the economic crisis, and entering my teen years as well. :o

2008 and 2009 didn't feel like that big of a change to me.


Wtf is wrong with you. 2009 was a bigger transition year than 2003/4.

It felt sudden for me... Obama becoming president, elctropop taking over crank rap and emo rock, the economic crisis, and entering my teen years as well. :o


Aside from Obama (that didn't even feel like a big change to me, either. It still felt like the same old boring 2000's), I didn't even notice that other stuff and still saw lame Faux-Emo kids until recently.


Wtf is wrong with you. 2009 was a bigger transition year than 2003/4.


You've got a rude mouth, Mr. Fetus. Very, very rude.

Wtf is wrong with you. 2009 was a bigger transition year than 2003/4.

Agreed! 2008/09 was MUCH MUCH more changeful and impactful than late 2003/2004. Hell even 2006 was more changeful than 2004 to a certain degree.

Aside from Obama (that didn't even feel like a big change to me, either. It still felt like the same old boring 2000's), I didn't even notice that other stuff and still saw lame Faux-Emo kids until recently.



Cause you were probably out of touch.. ;D  ;)

Cause you were probably out of touch.. ;D  ;)


Haha, yeah, that's probably it.

2008 and 2009 is the biggest cultural change I have ever seen. I think the change was the biggest and most sudden since the late 80s to early 90s, maybe even more.

Wtf is wrong with you. 2009 was a bigger transition year than 2003/4.


Not everybody has the same pop cultural opinions as you. Especially when there's nothing wrong with believing that 2009 wasn't a big cultural transition as 2003/4.

Not everybody has the same pop cultural opinions as you. Especially when there's nothing wrong with believing that 2009 wasn't a big cultural transition as 2003/4.


No there is something wrong with that. What type of idiot would think 2004 was a bigger transition than 2009. fudgeing f*ggot trying to defend the old man or something.

No there is something wrong with that. What type of idiot would think 2004 was a bigger transition than 2009. fudgeing f*ggot trying to defend the old man or something.


>believes there's nothing wrong with thinking that 2004 is a bigger transition
>insults people who believe that

>believes there's nothing wrong with thinking that 2004 is a bigger transition
>insults people who believe that


>believes 2004 is a bigger transition than 2009
>huge f*ggot

>believes 2004 is a bigger transition than 2009
>huge f*ggot


Somebody reeks of 2000s.

>believes 2004 is a bigger transition than 2009
>huge f*ggot


I don't even believe that 2004 was a bigger transition than 2009, FYI.

2008 and 2009 is the biggest cultural change I have ever seen. I think the change was the biggest and most sudden since the late 80s to early 90s, maybe even more.

Yes, yes it was buddy!!! :o :D

2009 was the end of the 2000s, but I think 2009 was also just a shell of 2001 and led to the 2004-2005 rebellion.  But looking back, I feel 2008 could also be a mirror image of 2007

No there is something wrong with that. What type of idiot would think 2004 was a bigger transition than 2009. fudgeing f*ggot trying to defend the old man or something.


You make a very compelling argument, Mr. Fetus. I forgot that all changes are set in stone and are the exact same for everyone. I forgot that you are the fetus of the facts. ::)


Somebody reeks of 2000s.


Gross. Smells like Fall Out Boy.


2009 was the end of the 2000s, but I think 2009 was also just a shell of 2001 and led to the 2004-2005 rebellion.  But looking back, I feel 2008 could also be a mirror image of 2007


I believe the 2000's will end on 2123 when the roaches take over.

I stand by my statement that the 00s ended in 2011. Osama bin Laden, a defining figure of the post-9/11 era who seemed almost inestimable and uncatchable, was finally killed on a day that felt almost surreal and dreamlike. The final Harry Potter movie was released in theaters, ending a very 00s-defining franchise. iPads and iPhones began to gain popularity. Social media took a step up in ubiquity. etc. etc.

If people can say the 90s ended in 2001, then I say the 00s just as well ended in 2011.

2008 and 2009 is the biggest cultural change I have ever seen. I think the change was the biggest and most sudden since the late 80s to early 90s, maybe even more.


Late 80s to early 90s didn't feel like a big change to me at all. That one felt even more gradual than 2008/2009.

I stand by my statement that the 00s ended in 2011. Osama bin Laden, a defining figure of the post-9/11 era who seemed almost inestimable and uncatchable, was finally killed on a day that felt almost surreal and dreamlike. The final Harry Potter movie was released in theaters, ending a very 00s-defining franchise. iPads and iPhones began to gain popularity. Social media took a step up in ubiquity. etc. etc.

But what are your thoughts on the changeful 2008/2009 period?

Late 80s to early 90s didn't feel like a big change to me at all. That one felt even more gradual than 2008/2009.

You could say it was kinda gradual and ...kinda sudden! I think slim was talking about the changeful 1992/1993 period.

I stand by my statement that the 00s ended in 2011. Osama bin Laden, a defining figure of the post-9/11 era who seemed almost inestimable and uncatchable, was finally killed on a day that felt almost surreal and dreamlike. The final Harry Potter movie was released in theaters, ending a very 00s-defining franchise. iPads and iPhones began to gain popularity. Social media took a step up in ubiquity. etc. etc.

If people can say the 90s ended in 2001, then I say the 00s just as well ended in 2011.


Honestly, he would've been dead earlier if Bush had the CIA killed him. Instead, he made the f*cking Iraq War just because it was in the Middle East. Aside from that, I do agree that the 2000s culturally died in 2011.

But what are your thoughts on the changeful 2008/2009 period?

2008-2009 was indeed changeful. However, 2010-2011 still felt like "late 00s" years to me, at least culture-wise. This is how it goes, to me:

2000-2003 - the "x-treme" 00s
2004-2007 - the core, definitive, emo flip phone snap rap Bush-bashing "wussy" 00s (as Jordan calls them ;D)
2008-2011 - the "late 00s", the electropop, rise of social media, rise of Obama 00s

You could say it was kinda gradual and ...kinda sudden! I think slim was talking about the changeful 1992/1993 period.


I think the 90's began in 1993 with Beavis and Butthead but even then the change still wasn't at the snap of a finger. It was pretty gradual until 1994 when big hair/hair metal finally went away and Dookie and Smash came out. 1994 is probably the truest 90's year ever and I think it's my favorite year of the decade. The only thing that sucks about it was Kurt's death, he would of made 1994 even better.


2008-2009 was indeed changeful. However, 2010-2011 still felt like "late 00s" years to me, at least culture-wise. This is how it goes, to me:

2000-2003 - the "x-treme" 00s
2004-2007 - the core, definitive, emo flip phone snap rap Bush-bashing "wussy" 00s (as Jordan calls them ;D)
2008-2011 - the "late 00s", the electropop, rise of social media, rise of Obama 00s


I like this list; you're bringing the facts to the table I see. 2008-2011 was still super wussy, though. We're still in the wuss era but it's a different wuss era these days.

2008-2009 was indeed changeful. However, 2010-2011 still felt like "late 00s" years to me, at least culture-wise. This is how it goes, to me:

2000-2003 - the "x-treme" 00s
2004-2007 - the core, definitive, emo flip phone snap rap Bush-bashing "wussy" 00s (as Jordan calls them ;D )
2008-2011 - the "late 00s", the electropop, rise of social media, rise of Obama 00s

IMO...
2000-2001-Very Early 00s; Clinton, teen pop, boy bands,
2001-2003- 9/11, glam rap,patriotism, George W.

2004-mid 2008 core 2000s; Myspace, emos, crank and snap rap, war on terror
2004-mid 2006- being the mid 00s
Late 2006-2008- being the late 2000s

Late 2008-2009- VERY late 2000s; Obama, beginning of electropo, Facebook, twitter,


2010 and 2011 were the VERY early 10s.

2008-2009 was indeed changeful. However, 2010-2011 still felt like "late 00s" years to me, at least culture-wise. This is how it goes, to me:

2000-2003 - the "x-treme" 00s
2004-2007 - the core, definitive, emo flip phone snap rap Bush-bashing "wussy" 00s (as Jordan calls them ;D )
2008-2011 - the "late 00s", the electropop, rise of social media, rise of Obama 00s

One question what's the early 10s to you? I'm curious. ::) :o

I think I already made a 2000s cultural chart WAY back, but I think I'll put in my new one here.

2000-2001: Very early 2000s (pre-9/11 era)
2001-2003: Post-9/11 paranoia era
2004-2007: Core 2000s (Bush backlash era)
2008-2009: Late 2000s ("Yes we can" era)
2009-2010: Transitional era for '00s and '10s
2010-2012: Early 2010s

I think I already made a 2000s cultural chart WAY back, but I think I'll put in my new one here.

2000-2001: Very early 2000s (pre-9/11 era)
2001-2003: Post-9/11 paranoia era
2004-2007: Core 2000s (Bush backlash era)
2008-2009: Late 2000s ("Yes we can" era)
2009-2010: Transitional era for '00s and '10s
2010-2012: Early 2010s

Well done!

I think I already made a 2000s cultural chart WAY back, but I think I'll put in my new one here.

2000-2001: Very early 2000s (pre-9/11 era)
2001-2003: Post-9/11 paranoia era
2004-2007: Core 2000s (Bush backlash era)
2008-2009: Late 2000s ("Yes we can" era)
2009-2010: Transitional era for '00s and '10s
2010-2012: Early 2010s


You know what NewYorkEagle well said. I agree with your chart 100%

New York Eagle's chart is pretty good but I think Zelek's chart is the best one here.

I think the 90's began in 1993 with Beavis and Butthead but even then the change still wasn't at the snap of a finger. It was pretty gradual until 1994 when big hair/hair metal finally went away and Dookie and Smash came out. 1994 is probably the truest 90's year ever and I think it's my favorite year of the decade. The only thing that sucks about it was Kurt's death, he would of made 1994 even better.


1993-1995 were basically the most definitive years for the '90s.

New York Eagle's chart is pretty good but I think Zelek's chart is the best one here.

lol What bout mine?! ??? ;D

1993-1995 were basically the most definitive years for the '90s.

1993-1996, imo

lol What bout mine?! ??? ;D


Oh, you did one, too?? I will look for it... Ok, it's pretty good but Zelek's still got the number one spot here.


1993-1995 were basically the most definitive years for the '90s.


Pretty much but I'd extend it to 1996 or even 1997. If someone asked me what year they should go back in time so they could learn about the 90s, I'd point them to 1994.

1993-1996, imo


1996 and 1997 were alright. They were core '90s years, but not as definitive as '93-'95.

Oh, you did one, too?? I will look for it... Ok, it's pretty good but Zelek's still got the number one spot here.

Pretty much but I'd extend it to 1996 or even 1997. If someone asked me what year they should go back in time so they could learn about the 90s, I'd point them to 1994.





oops I forgot 97. Yeah 1993-1997 were the heart of that decade.

1996 and 1997 were alright. They were core '90s years, but not as definitive as '93-'95.

What makes 1996 not as definitive as 1993-95? 1996 is the quintessential 90s year imo with 95 being right next to it.

oops I forgot 97. Yeah 1993-1997 were the heart of that decade.


I agree!


1996 and 1997 were alright. They were core '90s years, but not as definitive as '93-'95.


I agree with this, too. 1995-1997 have the 90's atmosphere and you can learn about the era by going to these years but they didn't have huge culturally defining trends like 1993 and 1994 did. 

What makes 1996 not as definitive as 1993-95? 1996 is the quintessential 90s year imo with 95 being right next to it.


Okay, maybe 1996 was definitive as '93-'95. I could change my mind about this. For example, the SNES and Genesis were still making games at the time. Especially when the N64 and Saturn wasn't that popular until the late 90s.

oops I forgot 97. Yeah 1993-1997 were the heart of that decade.


You know what? I think I'm gonna agree with this one. It makes sense, because 1998 was the start of the Y2K era. A lot of people have been saying that a dozen times, but it's still relevant to this topic.

Okay, maybe 1996 was definitive as '93-'95. I could change my mind about this. For example, the SNES and Genesis were still making games at the time. Especially when the N64 and Saturn wasn't that popular until the late 90s.


Uhh... I don't think the pile of garbage Saturn was ever popular...

Uhh... I don't think the pile of garbage Saturn was ever popular...

Nope not in america in Japan...

Uhh... I don't think the pile of garbage Saturn was ever popular...


... I guess the PlayStation was Nintendo's competitor during the late 90s.

... I guess the PlayStation was Nintendo's competitor during the late 90s.


Crash Bandicoot was supposed to be the next Mario (Nintendo) or Sonic (Sega) for the Playstation, but we all know how that turned out. Once the XBOX came out the industry started changing.

Crash Bandicoot was supposed to be the next Mario (Nintendo) or Sonic (Sega) for the Playstation, but we all know how that turned out. Once the XBOX came out the industry started changing.


Even though Crash had its stay during the late 90s, it was beaten by Mario.

Let's just call 2000-2009 the 2000s and 2010-2019 the 2010's.

Let's just call 2000-2009 the 2000s and 2010-2019 the 2010's.


Slim likes keeping things very simple bruh  ;)

Crash Bandicoot was supposed to be the next Mario (Nintendo) or Sonic (Sega) for the Playstation, but we all know how that turned out. Once the XBOX came out the industry started changing.

Yup it would change for the WORST in the long term... I loved the 360, but damn I wish SEGA remained a competitor.

Let's just call 2000-2009 the 2000s and 2010-2019 the 2010's.


I'm all up for that. So many different breakdowns and labeling of eras can get a bit annoying when trying to keep up with it all. Especially since everyone has their own opinion on certain eras.

I like this list; you're bringing the facts to the table I see. 2008-2011 was still super wussy, though. We're still in the wuss era but it's a different wuss era these days.

Do you think we're more wussified than ever? Cause I think so!

What makes 1996 not as definitive as 1993-95? 1996 is the quintessential 90s year imo with 95 being right next to it.


I think the biggest two reasons for 1996 not being the definitive year of the 90s is that Sega and grunge, while still known and popular at the time, had drastically declined in popularity since 1991-1995. Additionally, the Internet and fifth generation of gaming were paving the way for what society would become by the early 2000s. The movies of 1996 were also not as plentiful or memorable as 1994 or 1995, even though Space Jam and Independence Day are pretty iconic to the decade's culture.

I think the biggest two reasons for 1996 not being the definitive year of the 90s is that Sega and grunge, while still known and popular at the time, had drastically declined in popularity since 1991-1995. Additionally, the Internet and fifth generation of gaming were paving the way for what society would become by the early 2000s. The movies of 1996 were also not as plentiful or memorable as 1994 or 1995, even though Space Jam and Independence Day are pretty iconic to the decade's culture.

Well.... I think 96 was the definitive year besides 95 because Jordan's bulls were at their peak that year. Also in 1996 it was basically a 4th and 5th gen gaming year. 1996 election. 1996 Olympics. 2pac was in his prime. Brett Favre had his best season in the 90s that year. The 90s wrestling boom began this year as well; pro Wrestling had entered it's second golden period thanks to Hulk Hogan's heel turn and Austin 3:16 starting. All the 90s sports dynasties won their gold; Bulls, Yankees, and Cowboys. It was basically a mixture of a whole bunch of things.... old and new  ;)  It may have not been as good for movies as 94 or 95; but... so what! and the Genesis is more of an early 90s thing;well to me it is... when I think of the heart of the 90s; I think of SNES and even the PS1 to a certain degree.


Maybe if you were more into sports you'd see what I mean. ;D

Let's just call 2000-2009 the 2000s and 2010-2019 the 2010's.


But we can always call January 1st, 2000 to April 30th, 2003 the early 00's and nobody can try to challenge that because it's the mathematically factual answer. ;)


Do you think we're more wussified than ever? Cause I think so!





I dunno, man. The real 00's was a pretty wussed out era. If you look at bands like Finch or Sum 41, for example, they look like tough guys that you don't wanna f*ck with. They got mean Nu Metal "you ready f*ckers!?" faces on and everything. If you look at 2004 faux-Emo they all look like little sissy girls. Today is more of the same wussy attitudes, if you ask me. Skateboarding today is a disgrace, too.

http://i.imgur.com/JnaLL.jpg

http://www.homorazzi.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/julian-schratter-skateboarder.jpg

Longboarding sucks and everyone who does it sucks, too.


Well.... I think 96 was the definitive year besides 95 because Jordan's bulls were at their peak that year. Also in 1996 it was basically a 4th and 5th gen gaming year. 1996 election. 1996 Olympics. 2pac was in his prime. Brett Favre had his best season in the 90s that year. The 90s wrestling boom began this year as well; pro Wrestling had entered it's second golden period thanks to Hulk Hogan's heel turn and Austin 3:16 starting. All the 90s sports dynasties won their gold; Bulls, Yankees, and Cowboys. It was basically a mixture of a whole bunch of things.... old and new  ;)  It may have not been as good for movies as 94 or 95; but... so what! and the Genesis is more of an early 90s thing;well to me it is... when I think of the heart of the 90s; I think of SNES and even the PS1 to a certain degree.


Maybe if you were more into sports you'd see what I mean. ;D


My bulls were at their peak in 1996!? Since when?

Do you think we're more wussified than ever? Cause I think so!


I say yes and no. It depends.

I dunno, man. The real 00's was a pretty wussed out era. If you look at bands like Finch or Sum 41, for example, they look like tough guys that you don't wanna f*ck with. They got mean Nu Metal "you ready f*ckers!?" faces on and everything. If you look at 2004 faux-Emo they all look like little sissy girls. Today is more of the same wussy attitudes, if you ask me. Skateboarding today is a disgrace, too.






My bulls were at their peak in 1996!? Since when?

Maybe cause I was still a kid then; but the core 2000s seemed more badass than today... by a LONG shot! Especially the black culutre. Maybe cause I'm black and you're white we're most likely gonna have VERY VERY different opinions on this subject. And you think the same society today as it was then? I think you are just REALLY out of touch. ;D ;D ;D ;D


In 1996,The bulls had the best record in NBA history......... until a few days ago. ;)

Maybe cause I was still a kid then; but the core 2000s seemed more badass than today... by a LONG shot! Especially the black culutre. Maybe cause I'm black and you're white we're most likely gonna have VERY VERY different opinions on this subject. And you think the same society today as it was then? I think you are just REALLY out of touch. ;D ;D ;D ;D


In 1996,The bulls had the best record in NBA history......... until a few days ago. ;)


When you said black culture I thought you were talking about the faux-Emo stuff but then you clarified yourself. ;D I guess but the stuff I liked back then like Pop Punk was something for everyone to enjoy black or white. Haha, nah. I know today is different from the real 2000's but the wussiness hasn't gone away since. :P

My Bulls have never played in the NBA but their best record was definitely not in 1996. I've been told that I am the best player/coach/manager, though. Some call me the GOAT.

But we can always call January 1st, 2000 to April 30th, 2003 the early 00's and nobody can try to challenge that because it's the mathematically factual answer. ;)

I dunno, man. The real 00's was a pretty wussed out era. If you look at bands like Finch or Sum 41, for example, they look like tough guys that you don't wanna f*ck with. They got mean Nu Metal "you ready f*ckers!?" faces on and everything. If you look at 2004 faux-Emo they all look like little sissy girls. Today is more of the same wussy attitudes, if you ask me. Skateboarding today is a disgrace, too.
That's not the only way. The decade (and all others) can also be divided into halves and even quarters.

I also want to know what do you mean by a wussed out era? I'm sure there plenty of fights throughout school during the time period as I (and others) witnessed them occurring which means there were plenty of tough guys. Besides, not every white guy dressed emo or listened to the music. I recall seeing them still wearing early 00s fashion and listening to other song genres and this is coming from someone who attended predominantly white schools.

If you wanted to know, I even listened to the core 00s music sometime ago and most of the songs were still awesome except snap/crunk rap and emo rock. :D ;D 


Maybe cause I was still a kid then; but the core 2000s seemed more badass than today... by a LONG shot! Especially the black culture. Maybe cause I'm black and you're white we're most likely gonna have VERY VERY different opinions on this subject. And you think the same society today as it was then? I think you are just REALLY out of touch. ;D ;D ;D ;D


In 1996,The bulls had the best record in NBA history......... until a few days ago. ;)
I agree. The black culture was definitely badass during that era! There were many R&B songs from that time period that are now classics. As for hip-hop, despite the southern sub-genre being wildly popular during the core 00s, there were also lots of non-southern rap that were great that I can listen to over and over again.  :D

That's not the only way. The decade (and all others) can also be divided into halves and even quarters.

I also want to know what do you mean by a wussed out era? I'm sure there plenty of fights throughout school during the time period as I (and others) witnessed them occurring which means there were plenty of tough guys. Besides, not every white guy dressed emo or listened to the music. I recall seeing them still wearing early 00s fashion and listening to other song genres and this is coming from someone who attended predominantly white schools.

If you wanted to know, I even listened to the core 00s music sometime ago and most of the songs were still awesome except snap/crunk rap and emo rock. :D ;D 


Yeah, but it's the best way! ;)

I dunno, man. When I think of a real 2000's school fight, I think of a bunch of nerds slapping each other over who's longboard is cooler or some crap. It's not like in the early 2000's when people actually skateboarded. Yeah, but almost all of them had that stupid wings haircut emo or not. The early 00's styles and clothing (Dickies, Hurley, Hilfiger, Atticus, Level 27) were pretty much done. Maybe they sometimes "spiked" their hair and wore jeans and a t-shirt but that's probably it for the early 00's fashion. Rock music was basically two things in the real 2000's: faux-Emo and Post-Post Grunge and they both intersected waaayyy too much.

I tried to listen to real 00's music and some of the underground stuff is pretty good up the majority of it (underground and mainstream) was crap and made me wanna go back to 1995 to listen to some No Use or Strung Out.

Maybe cause I was still a kid then; but the core 2000s seemed more badass than today... by a LONG shot! Especially the black culutre. Maybe cause I'm black and you're white we're most likely gonna have VERY VERY different opinions on this subject. And you think the same society today as it was then? I think you are just REALLY out of touch. ;D ;D ;D ;D

That's what I came to realize for Jordan. 2003, 2004, 2005 especially was good for African Americans. It depends on your demographic.

That's what I came to realize for Jordan. 2003, 2004, 2005 especially was good for African Americans. It depends on your demographic.


My peak childhood!  :D

and yeah, I'm with you, Eric, and UltraGameDog. Y'all explained my thoughts. The African American culture throughout the core 2000's was epic. The artists, music and the fashion. 50 cent in his prime was really fun and not to mention the kid and family sitcoms (we know what those were!) that had that African American culture at the time too. I really miss it. I remember a lot of it thanks to my parents or older cousins. I wish I didn't take all of it for granted because at the same time I was still mostly into all of the kid culture stuff at the time.

2009 was when both the 2000s and my teen angst died.

I really wish they did a throwback station on 90s/2000s R&B now. It really influenced African-American culture, and it's way better than what we have for rap music today.

2009 was when both the 2000s and my teen angst died.


Happy to see you're still alive after your short hiatus!  ;)

Happy to see you're still alive after your short hiatus!  ;)


Thanks! I'm glad I made it out alive too. ;D

Thanks! I'm glad I made it out alive too. ;D


What happened? Were you busy with real life?

What happened? Were you busy with real life?


Had to cram for them exams. I also had to write my thesis and job application and I kept getting distracted by this site, so I decided to go HAM for three weeks on those things. It was worth it, I got the job :D

Had to cram for them exams. I also had to write my thesis and job application and I kept getting distracted by this site, so I decided to go HAM for three weeks on those things. It was worth it, I got the job :D


Congratulations on the job. :)

Congratulations on the job. :)


Thanks! :)

Well.... I think 96 was the definitive year besides 95 because Jordan's bulls were at their peak that year. Also in 1996 it was basically a 4th and 5th gen gaming year. 1996 election. 1996 Olympics. 2pac was in his prime. Brett Favre had his best season in the 90s that year. The 90s wrestling boom began this year as well; pro Wrestling had entered it's second golden period thanks to Hulk Hogan's heel turn and Austin 3:16 starting. All the 90s sports dynasties won their gold; Bulls, Yankees, and Cowboys. It was basically a mixture of a whole bunch of things.... old and new  ;)  It may have not been as good for movies as 94 or 95; but... so what! and the Genesis is more of an early 90s thing;well to me it is... when I think of the heart of the 90s; I think of SNES and even the PS1 to a certain degree.


Maybe if you were more into sports you'd see what I mean. ;D


I'm not aware of or into sports too much, though I can see how it factors in. 1994 was a pretty underwhelming year for pro athletics, not just because of Michael Jordan being on hiatus, but also the MLB strike. If you're a huge sports fan, then I can definitely see how that would disqualify that year from being definitive.

However, it was also the peak of grunge, with Kurt Cobain still being alive during the first few months, Soundgarden releasing Superunknown, Stone Temple Pilots coming out with Purple, Pearl Jam still enjoying success with Vs. and eventually Vitalogy, and even the MTV Unplugged: Nirvana album garnering huge success. Gangsta rap also basically peaked that year, with Snoop Doggy Dogg, Warren G, Da Brat, Ice Cube, Outkast, Bone Thugs-n-Harmony, and Coolio coming out with definitive material; 1996 had 2Pac's "All Eyez on Me," but was otherwise the beginning of gangsta rap's decline to second fiddle status, especially during the last third of the year.

How can you just say "so what?" to 1996 being less memorable in film than 1994 and 1995? Are you just not an avid cinema follower in the same way I don't know that much about sports culture over the years? A good amount of movies from both of those years transcended the cinema and were popular in their own right. All three of Jim Carrey's most popular comedies (Ace Ventura: Pet Detective, The Mask, and Dumb and Dumber) came out in 1994, and they all reeked of 90s culture. The Lion King was also released in 1994, spawning several spin-off products, as well as being the highest-grossing 2D animated film of all time. 1994 also had friggin' Forrest Gump, The Shawshank Redemption, and Pulp Fiction, three movies which any conversation about the 90s should not omit. 1995 had the only good Pierce Brosnan James Bond movie, Clueless, and more films in IMDB's top 250 than any other year in history. That's got to count for something. Even Batman Forever, in spite of its marginal reviews, still had a very popular soundtrack, which featured U2's "Hold Me, Thrill Me, Kiss Me, Kill Me" and Seal's "Kiss from a Rose."

How is the Sega Genesis so insignificant to 90s culture? It may have only peaked in the early 90s, but it embodied pretty much everything the 90s were about. It had attitude, a stylish design, and a certain blue mascot who took gaming to a whole new XTREME! It was also really the first console since the Video Game Crash of 1983 that attracted a more mature audience, before even the Playstation came along. Even in spite of Sega's numerous marketing blunders in the mid-90s, the Genesis was still a lot of people's console of choice in 1994-1996, even if fewer people were actually buying the system anymore. The PS1, on the other hand, is really only definitive to the late 90s, with some of its popularity carrying into the first few years of the 2000s. It may have launched in 1995, but it didn't start to truly takeoff until Crash Bandicoot and Tomb Raider came out in late 1996, and its peak was strictly the regular late 90s. Even in 1994, you had a lot of significant 3D games already being released, whether they were on the 3DO (whose success in North America is comparable to the Saturn) or in the arcades, i.e. Virtua Fighter 2, Daytona USA, and Ridge Racer.

To me, 1994 and 1995 are essentially tied for quintessential year of the 90s. 1995 has less grunge and less Sega, but makes up for that with sports, Alanis Morissette, and the birth of the Internet. 1996 would be third, but it doesn't quite capture the essence of the nineties quite the same way that the two preceding years do.

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Congratulations. :)

Congratulations. :)


Thank you Howard. :)

I really wish they did a throwback station on 90s/2000s R&B now. It really influenced African-American culture, and it's way better than what we have for rap music today.


They have one in my town. Ironically there is no station playing today's hip-hop.

They have one in my town. Ironically there is no station playing today's hip-hop.


In your town? Damn. In New York, there's tons of f*cking hip-hop stations and every song sounds the same to me. It doesn't even have a rhythm to it anymore.

In your town? Damn. In New York, there's tons of f*cking hip-hop stations and every song sounds the same to me. It doesn't even have a rhythm to it anymore.


By 2020, no one will like hip hop anymore and they will be very few hip hop stations by that time. Hip Hop is almost dead.

By 2020, no one will like hip hop anymore and they will be very few hip hop stations by that time. Hip Hop is almost dead.


I see a lot of people listening to modern hip hop in my school. So, I don't think it's gonna be dead soon. Maybe it's because New York City is full of hip-hop idols, especially when I live in the most suburban borough in the city.

By 2020, no one will like hip hop anymore and they will be very few hip hop stations by that time. Hip Hop is almost dead.


lol, so inaccurate. Trap rap is still very popular, so it's not going away anytime soon, and btw, teen pop is the worst genre of music.

lol, so inaccurate. Trap rap is still very popular, so it's not going away anytime soon, and btw, teen pop is the worst genre of music.


This! Although, I prefer early-mid 2000s teen pop than modern teen pop. At least it's not annoying as hell.

lol, so inaccurate. Trap rap is still very popular, so it's not going away anytime soon, and btw, teen pop is the worst genre of music.


Late 80s and late 90s teen pop is good, in my opinion! As for the late 60s, early 70s, late 2000s, and mid-2010s, however, I can understand. Still, the worst types of music have to be crunkcore, snap, death metal, and white nationalist rock!

Late 80s and late 90s teen pop is good, in my opinion! As for the late 60s, early 70s, late 2000s, and mid-2010s, however, I can understand. Still, the worst types of music have to be crunkcore, snap, death metal, and white nationalist rock!


Death metal isn't that bad. It has some good bands such as Postmortem.

Late 80s and late 90s teen pop is good, in my opinion! As for the late 60s, early 70s, late 2000s, and mid-2010s, however, I can understand. Still, the worst types of music have to be crunkcore, snap, death metal, and white nationalist rock!


Brokencyde are Crunkcore masters. When I think "real emo" Crunkcore comes to mind. ;D ;D ;D Death Metal ain't too bad, though.


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Congratulations, dude! Now you'll have the money to buy all the Good Charlotte and Sum 41 CD's! ;)

How can you just say "so what?" to 1996 being less memorable in film than 1994 and 1995? Are you just not an avid cinema follower in the same way I don't know that much about sports culture over the years? A good amount of movies from both of those years transcended the cinema and were popular in their own right. All three of Jim Carrey's most popular comedies (Ace Ventura: Pet Detective, The Mask, and Dumb and Dumber) came out in 1994, and they all reeked of 90s culture. The Lion King was also released in 1994, spawning several spin-off products, as well as being the highest-grossing 2D animated film of all time. 1994 also had friggin' Forrest Gump, The Shawshank Redemption, and Pulp Fiction, three movies which any conversation about the 90s should not omit. 1995 had the only good Pierce Brosnan James Bond movie, Clueless, and more films in IMDB's top 250 than any other year in history. That's got to count for something. Even Batman Forever, in spite of its marginal reviews, still had a very popular soundtrack, which featured U2's "Hold Me, Thrill Me, Kiss Me, Kill Me" and Seal's "Kiss from a Rose."

How is the Sega Genesis so insignificant to 90s culture? It may have only peaked in the early 90s, but it embodied pretty much everything the 90s were about. It had attitude, a stylish design, and a certain blue mascot who took gaming to a whole new XTREME! It was also really the first console since the Video Game Crash of 1983 that attracted a more mature audience, before even the Playstation came along. Even in spite of Sega's numerous marketing blunders in the mid-90s, the Genesis was still a lot of people's console of choice in 1994-1996, even if fewer people were actually buying the system anymore. The PS1, on the other hand, is really only definitive to the late 90s, with some of its popularity carrying into the first few years of the 2000s. It may have launched in 1995, but it didn't start to truly takeoff until Crash Bandicoot and Tomb Raider came out in late 1996, and its peak was strictly the regular late 90s. Even in 1994, you had a lot of significant 3D games already being released, whether they were on the 3DO (whose success in North America is comparable to the Saturn) or in the arcades, i.e. Virtua Fighter 2, Daytona USA, and Ridge Racer.

Well... DAMN! >:( I am avid film watcher, but I am not going to let 1996 being a step down from 95 and 94 for movies; cloud my judgement. lol ;D

Also I do not think the Genesis was insignificant to 90s culutre... I just feel that the Genesis in the mid 90s wasn't the juggernaut it was in the early 90s. As you can already tell, I think the mid 90s-regular late 90s(late 1993-1997)were heart of the decade.and I think of the heart of the 90s culturally, SNES(post Donky Kong Country) is the first thing that comes to mind to me, followed by the EARLY days of the PS1.

I dunno about you guys but if you wanna know more about the Bulls then I'd say they probably peaked around 1999 and have continued a consistent trek of goodness since.

To me, 1994 and 1995 are essentially tied for quintessential year of the 90s. 1995 has less grunge and less Sega, but makes up for that with sports, Alanis Morissette, and the birth of the Internet. 1996 would be third, but it doesn't quite capture the essence of the nineties quite the same way that the two preceding years do.

By reading these quotes, I can kinda tell you lean more towards the earlier 90s years as more definitive, then more power to ya. ;) Interesting, I wonder how arcticfox would feel about these statements. ;D That Guy's a funny dude!!

Congratulations, dude! Now you'll have the money to buy all the Good Charlotte and Sum 41 CD's! ;)


Thanks!

I actually bought all the early 2000s Sum 41 and Good Charlotte CDs when I was a kid ;D I still need to buy Underclass Hero and the new Good Charlotte single that came out in the last year or so. Did you hear it? ;D

Thanks!

I actually bought all the early 2000s Sum 41 and Good Charlotte CDs when I was a kid ;D I still need to buy Underclass Hero and the new Good Charlotte single that came out in the last year or so. Did you hear it? ;D


Good. You must buy all the essentials! Don't buy Underclass Hero, though! It's awful. And are you talking about Makeshift Love? I think it sucks. It doesn't have the rad 1998 style of the self-titled and Young and Hopeless, man. It sounds like crappy All Time Low 2007 fake Pop Punk! So upset. After listening to it I binged the self-titled and Young and Hopeless back to back to wash out my ears.

Good. You must buy all the essentials! Don't buy Underclass Hero, though! It's awful. And are you talking about Makeshift Love? I think it sucks. It doesn't have the rad 1998 style of the self-titled and Young and Hopeless, man. It sounds like crappy All Time Low 2007 fake Pop Punk! So upset. After listening to it I binged the self-titled and Young and Hopeless back to back to wash out my ears.


Haha I was expecting a more forcefully angry review given them wearing pink,  skinny jeans, beards, undercuts, thick rimmed glasses etc. in the MV ;D

Haha I was expecting a more forcefully angry review given them wearing pink,  skinny jeans, beards, undercuts, thick rimmed glasses etc. in the MV ;D


Ahem...

They call this music!?!?! This is filthy garbage!! How dare you guys spit again and again on yourselfs!!! DO YOU NOT REALIZE YOU MADE THE SELF-TITLED AND YOUNG AND HOPELESS! TWO GOOD REAL POP PUNK RECORDS! I can see you guys are trying to bring back early 00s Emo with the thick rim glasses but BEARDS!? SKINNY JEANS!? AND PINK!??!?!? Dear god, I cannot take it!


I remember in 2000-2002 when you guys made cool "you ready f*ckers!?" faces on AP covers:

http://www.altpress.com/images/uploads/magazine/cover_172nov02_lg.jpg

I guess those days are done, huh!?!?!? >:( >:( >:(

Review over. Was that good enough or should I have added some more anger?

Needs more anger. And you probably should wear a trucker hat next time.

Needs more anger. And you probably should wear a trucker hat next time.


Why a trucker hat? I don't wanna look like some Ashton Kutcher 2003 douchebag! I mean, skaters wore them thoughout the 90's but it looked pretty damn stupid... You should of told me to wear a backwards fitted cap. That is more 2000-2002! 8)

Ahem...

They call this music!?!?! This is filthy garbage!! How dare you guys spit again and again on yourselfs!!! DO YOU NOT REALIZE YOU MADE THE SELF-TITLED AND YOUNG AND HOPELESS! TWO GOOD REAL POP PUNK RECORDS! I can see you guys are trying to bring back early 00s Emo with the thick rim glasses but BEARDS!? SKINNY JEANS!? AND PINK!??!?!? Dear god, I cannot take it!


I remember in 2000-2002 when you guys made cool "you ready f*ckers!?" faces on AP covers:

http://www.altpress.com/images/uploads/magazine/cover_172nov02_lg.jpg

I guess those days are done, huh!?!?!? >:( >:( >:(

Review over. Was that good enough or should I have added some more anger?


;D perfect

;D perfect


Thanks! ;)

You know, I was listening to some Young and Hopeless and it just hit me that Good Charlotte sound a lot like MxPx. Back then. Not today because today they're complete garbage and have been since 2004 but there is a strong MxPx influence on the first two GC records.

Good Good Charlotte back when they used to rap about OJ Simpson:

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Crap Charlotte:

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What the hell is this anyway!? This is awful! I miss the old Good Charlotte when they dressed like Gothic Nu Metal kids and rapped about the evils of OJ Simpson and DC's mayor. Those days are gone and replaced with crap... >:(

Thanks! ;)

You know, I was listening to some Young and Hopeless and it just hit me that Good Charlotte sound a lot like MxPx. Back then. Not today because today they're complete garbage and have been since 2004 but there is a strong MxPx influence on the first two GC records.

Good Good Charlotte back when they used to rap about OJ Simpson:

RkGc7R-wxHU

H2y-90tSkyg

Crap Charlotte:

T4o7YqMb8qw

What the hell is this anyway!? This is awful! I miss the old Good Charlotte when they dressed like Gothic Nu Metal kids and rapped about the evils of OJ Simpson and DC's mayor. Those days are gone and replaced with crap... >:(

Your early 00s loving motherf*cker this is a thread about when the 00s ended not a thread talking about early 00s culture.

Your early 00s loving motherf*cker this is a thread about when the 00s ended not a thread talking about early 00s culture.


Excuse me? The adults are having a discussion. The children's table is over there.

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Your early 00s loving motherf*cker this is a thread about when the 00s ended not a thread talking about early 00s culture.


As the OP of this thread, I certainly don't give a f*ck.

Excuse me? The adults are having a discussion. The children's table is over there.

https://wooden-toys-direct.co.uk/media/catalog/product/cache/1/thumbnail/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/c/h/childrens_table_and_chairs_wood.jpg


Whatever bruh me and my gang of 2010s teens will kick ur ass any day.

Whatever bruh me and my gang of 2010s teens will kick ur ass any day.


http://www.homorazzi.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/julian-schratter-skateboarder.jpg

Oh, I'm so scared. Whatcha gonna do? Slap me while riding your longboard? Don't forget to push mongo! ::)

http://www.homorazzi.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/julian-schratter-skateboarder.jpg

Oh, I'm so scared. Whatcha gonna do? Slap me while riding your longboard? Don't forget to push mongo! ::)


Nah man cus I'm gonna fite u through the sound of our music
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Nah man cus I'm gonna fite u through the sound of our music
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In what universe is that considered music!?!? This is better:

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This is better

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Jumpman by Future and Drake is way better than this garbage.

I have no idea on what's going on here, but all my money is on the guy who wins. 8)

To speak on topic in terms of a cultural point I think the '00s ended sometime in 2010 or 2011. The 2010s is a distinct decade that feels consistent up to this point (2016). Sometime between 2010 or 2011 is when I think it started culturally. Although a lot of 2010's things can be traced back to 2009. But the 2010s is a decade that I'd say started culturally at around the same time it started numerically. When the next president comes around the consistent 2010's feel may begin to change up. We may be in an era that may not have the core 10's vibe anymore which pretty much will set things up for the Late 2010s and 2020s. But then again I don't know the future.

Jumpman by Future and Drake is way better than this garbage.


How is it garbage? I posted a song from the first Used album, not the ones afterwards.

THIS is garbage, though:

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I have no idea on what's going on here, but all my money is on the guy who wins. 8)

To speak on topic in terms of a cultural point I think the '00s ended sometime in 2010 or 2011. The 2010s is a distinct decade that feels consistent up to this point (2016). Sometime between 2010 or 2011 is when I think it started culturally. Although a lot of 2010's things can be traced back to 2009. But the 2010s is a decade that I'd say started culturally at around the same time it started numerically. When the next president comes around the consistent 2010's feel may begin to change up. We may be in an era that may not have the core 10's vibe anymore which pretty much will set things up for the Late 2010s and 2020s. But then again I don't know the future.


Then you gotta put your money on me! 8) ;)

How is it garbage? I posted a song from the first Used album, not the ones afterwards.



Future is a musical genius compared to this sh*tty band.

Thanks! ;)

You know, I was listening to some Young and Hopeless and it just hit me that Good Charlotte sound a lot like MxPx. Back then. Not today because today they're complete garbage and have been since 2004 but there is a strong MxPx influence on the first two GC records.

Good Good Charlotte back when they used to rap about OJ Simpson:

RkGc7R-wxHU

H2y-90tSkyg

Crap Charlotte:

T4o7YqMb8qw

What the hell is this anyway!? This is awful! I miss the old Good Charlotte when they dressed like Gothic Nu Metal kids and rapped about the evils of OJ Simpson and DC's mayor. Those days are gone and replaced with crap... >:(


Hmm, the 2010 Good Charlotte song isn't that bad. :o it sounds a bit softer compared to their previous stuff though and I hate them dressing in uniform or whatever you call that ;D

Future is a musical genius compared to this sh*tty band.


Future sucks! How's that even music, it sounds like some dumb crackhead got a hold of a studio and started dicking around with the nobs and sh!t.

I understand if you think The Used's first album isn't one of the best Post-Hardcore albums. It's pretty good (and their only good one) but there are better albums like Glassjaw's first two for example.

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Glassjaw beats all.


Hmm, the 2010 Good Charlotte song isn't that bad. :o it sounds a bit softer compared to their previous stuff though and I hate them dressing in uniform or whatever you call that ;D


Dude, that song is awful! Where's the rapping? "Yo, did ya kno if youse famous n ya kill yo wife there no such thing az 25 ta life!?" and crap like that. The real Good Charlotte died in 2004 and was replaced with crap.

Hmm, the 2010 Good Charlotte song isn't that bad. :o it sounds a bit softer compared to their previous stuff though and I hate them dressing in uniform or whatever you call that ;D


Screw Good Charlotte its all about Future and Drake's song Jumpman.

Screw Good Charlotte its all about Future and Drake's song Jumpman.


Screw 2004-onward Good Charlotte but leave 2000-2003 Good Charlotte out of it.

Screw 2004-onward Good Charlotte but leave 2000-2003 Good Charlotte out of it.


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I have no idea on what's going on here, but all my money is on the guy who wins. 8)

To speak on topic in terms of a cultural point I think the '00s ended sometime in 2010 or 2011. The 2010s is a distinct decade that feels consistent up to this point (2016). Sometime between 2010 or 2011 is when I think it started culturally. Although a lot of 2010's things can be traced back to 2009. But the 2010s is a decade that I'd say started culturally at around the same time it started numerically. When the next president comes around the consistent 2010's feel may begin to change up. We may be in an era that may not have the core 10's vibe anymore which pretty much will set things up for the Late 2010s and 2020s. But then again I don't know the future.


For me, things were close to pure early 10s by late 2009. In 21 Jump Street (2012 movie) they compare Class of 2005 to Class of 2010 and the difference was night and day. I thought it was so succinct and it was the first movie that I felt captured the 2010s high school experience perfectly. I was in high school in 2006 and 2010 so I feel I can compare them directly and it was very spot on haha.

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This sucks. I assume this is choice longboard music?

This sucks. I assume this is choice longboard music?


You bitch Young Thug is da best :D

You bitch Young Thug is da best :D


I guess "best" is a term thrown around loosely among 2010's teens, eh?

I guess "best" is a term thrown around loosely among 2010's teens, eh?


Young Thug is tha hiro of thas genration botch I jst don't think u understand how great he is.

Young Thug is tha hiro of thas genration botch I jst don't think u understand how great he is.


Your generation is doomed then.

Your generation is doomed then.


You know I was kidding right. Future and Young Thug are complete garbage. 8-P

You know I was kidding right. Future and Young Thug are complete garbage. 8-P


Thank god... That sh!t totally sucks, man! I'm glad, for your sake, that you were joking.

Jordan: I remember you saying that 2008-2011 were just as "wussy" as 2004-2007, but I'm inclined to disagree. ;D

2004-2007 was the era of flip phones, Hot Topic, emos, "gritty reboot" movies, and singers whining about their problems. By 2008-2011, emo was pretty much gone, and in its place came electropop (Lady Gaga, Katy Perry, Ke$ha, Justin Bieber, etc.) Even if you hate electropop, you have to admit, it's not as "wussy" as emo - the singers usually don't whine about their problems, but rather, focus on having a good time.

Jordan: I remember you saying that 2008-2011 were just as "wussy" as 2004-2007, but I'm inclined to disagree. ;D

2004-2007 was the era of flip phones, Hot Topic, emos, "gritty reboot" movies, and singers whining about their problems. By 2008-2011, emo was pretty much gone, and in its place came electropop (Lady Gaga, Katy Perry, Ke$ha, Justin Bieber, etc.) Even if you hate electropop, you have to admit, it's not as "wussy" as emo - the singers usually don't whine about their problems, but rather, focus on having a good time.


I would say 2004-2008 was the wuss era since in 08 that was the year of the scene kid. 8-P

Yeah, but it's the best way! ;)

I dunno, man. When I think of a real 2000's school fight, I think of a bunch of nerds slapping each other over who's longboard is cooler or some crap. It's not like in the early 2000's when people actually skateboarded. Yeah, but almost all of them had that stupid wings haircut emo or not. The early 00's styles and clothing (Dickies, Hurley, Hilfiger, Atticus, Level 27) were pretty much done. Maybe they sometimes "spiked" their hair and wore jeans and a t-shirt but that's probably it for the early 00's fashion. Rock music was basically two things in the real 2000's: faux-Emo and Post-Post Grunge and they both intersected waaayyy too much.

I tried to listen to real 00's music and some of the underground stuff is pretty good up the majority of it (underground and mainstream) was crap and made me wanna go back to 1995 to listen to some No Use or Strung Out.
That's not how fights were. I can honestly tell you that the real 2000s were not wussy at all. The fights that took place were by tough guys. It wasn't at all nerdish until this decade. Furthermore, I do recall still seeing early 00s fashion when I in MS because it was still there. The spiky hair, baggy clothing, platform shoes and even possibly frosted tips. Yes, Emo had already took place, but those people were mostly in the minority.

Wouldn't Pop-Rock count as part of the genre? That was popular during that era and it was actually great.

But not all real 2000s music was fake-emo and post post grunge. What about Hip-hop, R&B and Techno?

I have no idea on what's going on here, but all my money is on the guy who wins. 8)

To speak on topic in terms of a cultural point I think the '00s ended sometime in 2010 or 2011. The 2010s is a distinct decade that feels consistent up to this point (2016). Sometime between 2010 or 2011 is when I think it started culturally. Although a lot of 2010's things can be traced back to 2009. But the 2010s is a decade that I'd say started culturally at around the same time it started numerically. When the next president comes around the consistent 2010's feel may begin to change up. We may be in an era that may not have the core 10's vibe anymore which pretty much will set things up for the Late 2010s and 2020s. But then again I don't know the future.


Man, I really hope something awesome comes next. The core 2010s make me want to vomit.  8-P

Jordan: I remember you saying that 2008-2011 were just as "wussy" as 2004-2007, but I'm inclined to disagree. ;D

2004-2007 was the era of flip phones, Hot Topic, emos, "gritty reboot" movies, and singers whining about their problems. By 2008-2011, emo was pretty much gone, and in its place came electropop (Lady Gaga, Katy Perry, Ke$ha, Justin Bieber, etc.) Even if you hate electropop, you have to admit, it's not as "wussy" as emo - the singers usually don't whine about their problems, but rather, focus on having a good time.


I dunno, man, you had the weenie faux-Emo kids hanging around until last year and Justin Bieber is pretty wussy, too. We are in a skinny jeans era!


That's not how fights were. I can honestly tell you that the real 2000s were not wussy at all. The fights that took place were by tough guys. It wasn't at all nerdish until this decade. Furthermore, I do recall still seeing early 00s fashion when I in MS because it was still there. The spiky hair, baggy clothing, platform shoes and even possibly frosted tips. Yes, Emo had already took place, but those people were mostly in the minority.

Wouldn't Pop-Rock count as part of the genre? That was popular during that era and it was actually great.

But not all real 2000s music was fake-emo and post post grunge. What about Hip-hop, R&B and Techno?



I dunno about Middle School fights but the real 2000's in general were super lame and wussy. Maybe you saw some early 00s fashion (and probably like I said before: "spiked" hair with a t-shirt and jeans but not essential brands like dickies/hurley/level 27/atticus/hilfiger and chain wallets, white kid dreads, ect.) but most kids I saw and even people around my age had the wings haircut and wore plain clothes. I didn't mean nerds as in dressing like nerds, I meant nerds as in dorks with wing haircuts who longboard. Emo was the biggest rock trend that appealed to the youth. If you weren't some wing haired flat hat-wearing dweeb who went around malls yelling "G-G-G-G-G UNIT!" you were probably into Emo. Boring times.

I guess? You mean like those Jonas Bro dudes? That wasn't very good.

That's why I said rock music. Concerning other genres: Hip Hip was already pretty bad by 1997 but it still had some cool albums here and there like Eminem's Shady LP to Eminem Show trilogy, The Swollen Members Balance to Bad Dreams and the Beastie Boys' Hello Nasty to 5 Boroughs whereas post-2003 it's all Crunk and Snap. Techno also lost the fun dancey vibe it had in 2000-2003 and I'm not big on RnB but the real 00's didn't have the same soulful sound as the early 00's which made it a lot worse.

I dunno about Middle School fights but the real 2000's in general were super lame and wussy. Maybe you saw some early 00s fashion (and probably like I said before: "spiked" hair with a t-shirt and jeans but not essential brands likedickies/hurley/level 27/atticus) but most kids I saw had the wings haircut and wore plain clothes.

I guess? You mean like those Jonas Bro dudes? That wasn't very good.

That's why I said rock music. Hip Hip was already pretty bad by 1997 but it still had redeeming albums like Eminem's Shady LP to Eminem Show trilogy, The Swollen Members Balance/Bad Dreams and the Beastie Boys' 5 Boroughs whereas post-2003 it's all Crunk and Snap. Techno also lost it's fun dancey vibe it had in 2000-2003 and I'm not big on RnB but the real 00's didn't have the same soulful sound which made it worse.
But they weren't especially black culture. Honestly, the real wussy era is actually today because of SJWs and fake liberals. The real 2000s still had decency. As for the style, you're speaking of, I don't remember anyone having that winged-cut and wearing plain clothes at that time. The guys wore still some of the early 00s fashion (along with the core 00s) and they were't just Caucasian, but even Latino, Asian and Middle Eastern guys as well.

I actually have my 2004-05 yearbook and when I looked at it last year, I didn't see any guy with the wing-cut or them wearing any plain clothes.

No. I mean Kelly Clarkson, Avril Lavigne, Fall Out Boy etc.

It wasn't all Crunk/snap. There were definitely rap of the non-southern sub-genre. R&B still had that soulful sound. Think Usher, Mariah Carey, Mario (the singer), Mary J. Blige, and Beyonce. As for techno, it was still decent. I heard it back then and it wasn't awful.

But they weren't especially black culture. Honestly, the real wussy era is actually today because of SJWs and fake liberals. The real 2000s still had decency. As for the style, you're speaking of, I don't remember anyone having that winged-cut and wearing plain clothes at that time. The guys wore still some of the early 00s fashion (along with the core 00s) and they were't just Caucasian, but even Latino, Asian and Middle Eastern guys as well.

I actually have my 2004-05 yearbook and when I looked at it last year, I didn't see any guy with the wing-cut or them wearing any plain clothes.

No. I mean Kelly Clarkson, Avril Lavigne, Fall Out Boy etc.

It wasn't all Crunk/snap. There were definitely rap of the non-southern sub-genre. R&B still had that soulful sound. Think Usher, Mariah Carey, Mario (the singer), Mary J. Blige, and Beyonce. As for techno, it was still decent. I heard it back then and it wasn't awful.


I guess Hip Hop was still macho but everything else wasn't and there were barely any choices to choose from in the first place when it comes to real 00's subcultures. Well, of course, I didn't say it was only white people. People of all different colors had the early 00s fashion.

They still dressed like the early 00's at your school then!? Dickies, Atticus, Hurley, Chain Wallets and all?? Well, I can understand 2004 because there were still some early 00s holdovers but 2005 I can't see that happening at all.

Fall Out Boy is faux-Emo. Avril's only good album was Let Go; Under My Skin is pretty much another faux-Emo Post-Post Grunge album like all the rest of 'em. Kelly Clarkson had that stupid Breakaway song in 2004 and it was annoying as hell. 

Yeah, but it still wasn't any good. RnB still sounded more dancy than soulful then and techno definitely was extremely boring post-2003.

By reading these quotes, I can kinda tell you lean more towards the earlier 90s years as more definitive, then more power to ya. ;)

I see Nirvana, Sega, gangsta rap, and late Generation X as having defined the 90s and the 90s alone. There's a lot to say about late 1996 to 1999 as well, but I see most of the introductions from that period as having set up the 2000s, mostly the early 2000s, but some of it mid as well. 1996 was basically the twilight of the 90s spirit, with grunge, gangsta rap, 4th-gen consoles, and Gen-X fashion and attitudes waning in 1997 and 1998. I also don't see 1994 or 1995 as really having any significant 80s influences lingering, aside from a few songs by Michael Bolton and Def Leppard, but you also didn't have millennial things like Timbaland, Sabrina, 7th Heaven, etc.

Interesting, I wonder how arcticfox would feel about these statements. ;D That Guy's a funny dude!!


He's very dogmatic about his perspective of cultural decades, which makes him fun to debate against. I'm especially intrigued by how coherent he sees the 90s when to me, every sub-era it produced is extremely distinct. He definitely exaggerates the difference between 1997 and 1998-2001, though. I can understand referring to Beavis & Butthead and Scarface's The Untouchable as huge mid-90s influences still prevalent that year, but Third Eye Blind's self-titled debut and Sugar Ray's "Fly?" 1997 was frankly one of the most transitional years for alternative music in the 90s, considering older bands like Soundgarden, Gin Blossoms, The Cranberries, and Hootie & the Blowfish (except for one hit in late 1998) were cleanly replaced by Matchbox Twenty, Third Eye Blind, Sugar Ray,  Chumbawamba, and Smash Mouth, to name a few. I especially don't follow him though when he says stuff like "No Diggity" and "Steelo" sound like they're from the early 90s, a period that was defined by stuff like "Motownphilly," "Live and Learn," and "Nothin' My Love Can't Fix."

I seriously still just hope he apologizes for or explains his post in the North Carolina thread, which came completely out of nowhere and felt terribly out of character. Right now, it's causing him to come off as someone disturbingly ignorant and not the passionately individualistic ArcticFox I know and love. :\'(

You bitch Young Thug is da best :D


Young Thug is from my hometown and his music just isn't for me. I think Young Thug is a hilarious rapper and all just for the laugh out of it but.....  :P

I guess Hip Hop was still macho but everything else wasn't and there were barely any choices to choose from in the first place when it comes to real 00's subcultures. Well, of course, I didn't say it was only white people. People of all different colors had the early 00s fashion.

They still dressed like the early 00's at your school then!? Dickies, Atticus, Hurley, Chain Wallets and all?? Well, I can understand 2004 because there were still some early 00s holdovers but 2005 I can't see that happening at all.

Fall Out Boy is faux-Emo. Avril's only good album was Let Go; Under My Skin is pretty much another faux-Emo Post-Post Grunge album like all the rest of 'em. Kelly Clarkson had that stupid Breakaway song in 2004 and it was annoying as hell. 

Yeah, but it still wasn't any good. RnB still sounded more dancy than soulful then and techno definitely was extremely boring post-2003.
I guess you don't remember the culture being macho? Everything you mentioned about the wussy era was still in the minority. As for the subcultures, what about Latin music and anime theme songs?

Not completely, but it's that some of the early 00s fashion was still worn.

Not all of it though. The R&B singers I mentioned were (and still are) actually great.

The 2010s being "wuss" is the best part! Death to dude Bros! Okay death might be a bit much, but pain and suffering will suffice.

I guess you don't remember the culture being macho? Everything you mentioned about the wussy era was still in the minority. As for the subcultures, what about Latin music and anime theme songs?

Not completely, but it's that some of the early 00s fashion was still worn.

Not all of it though. The R&B singers I mentioned were (and still are) actually great.


Hip Hop was still all about being a "tuff thug" but that's pretty much it. It certainly wasn't a minority thing, either. Tons of people were into bad faux-Emo and Post-Post Grunge as these were mainstream genres. Rock music went to the dogs and turned from something that was very diverse to some of the most bland/generic music I've ever heard. Anime is definitely not tough and Latin music was mostly an early 00's trend.

Yeah, some but the essentials were gone. Dickies, Level 27, Atticus, Hurley, Hilfiger weren't cool anymore.

But it was what the genre had predominately become. Great or not they didn't have the same sound.


The 2010s being "wuss" is the best part! Death to dude Bros! Okay death might be a bit much, but pain and suffering will suffice.


"Dude Bros" suck but Skater Dudes are rad!

http://i.skyrock.net/5388/41945388/pics/3017863485_1_3_VMNY2xVT.jpg

Are you telling me you wouldn't wanna hang out with these dudes!?

Hip Hop was still all about being a "tuff thug" but that's pretty much it. It certainly wasn't a minority thing, either. Tons of people were into bad faux-Emo and Post-Post Grunge as these were mainstream genres. Rock music went to the dogs and turned from something that was very diverse to some of the most bland/generic music I've ever heard. Anime is definitely not tough and Latin music was mostly an early 00's trend.

Yeah, some but the essentials were gone. Dickies, Level 27, Atticus, Hurley, Hilfiger weren't cool anymore.

But it was what the genre had predominately become. Great or not they didn't have the same sound.

"Dude Bros" suck but Skater Dudes are rad!

Are you telling me you wouldn't wanna hang out with these dudes!?


Those guys are okay. What's not okay was the popped collars, sideway caps, and the chain with padlocks on them. Basically,  *ck John Cena ;D

Those guys are okay. What's not okay was the popped collars, sideway caps, and the chain with padlocks on them. Basically,  *ck John Cena ;D


Popped collars and chains with padlocks suck but sideways caps and chain wallets are super rad.

If you look like this:

http://www.stereoboard.com/images/stories/new/600x392xfinch_eb_221012.jpg.pagespeed.ic.I56KdwA2IO.jpg

http://folk.musiclog.in/images/img_39501.jpg

I'd say it's pretty rad!

If you look like this:

http://static.dnaindia.com/sites/default/files/2014/09/08/265894-john-cena-2.jpg

You suck. Yeah, I see you John Cena and you suck.

That's not how fights were. I can honestly tell you that the real 2000s were not wussy at all. The fights that took place were by tough guys. It wasn't at all nerdish until this decade. Furthermore, I do recall still seeing early 00s fashion when I in MS because it was still there. The spiky hair, baggy clothing, platform shoes and even possibly frosted tips. Yes, Emo had already took place, but those people were mostly in the minority.

Wouldn't Pop-Rock count as part of the genre? That was popular during that era and it was actually great.

But not all real 2000s music was fake-emo and post post grunge. What about Hip-hop, R&B and Techno?


I agree Markese, he is focusing way to much on his ''whiteboy'' culture. I seriously don't mean to sound racist Jordan! ;D

The racist in this thread is too much! I am so upset! >:( >:(


;D ;)

I agree Markese, he is focusing way to much on his ''whiteboy'' culture. I seriously don't mean to sound racist Jordan! ;D


For something like that, I absolutely wish somebody could mention core 2000s R&B. It makes core 2000s music very decent. To be fair, pop music wasn't that bad during the mid-late 2000s.

I agree Markese, he is focusing way to much on his ''whiteboy'' culture. I seriously don't mean to sound racist Jordan! ;D


I knew this for a very long time, but I didn't want to admit it in front of him since Jordan is one of my favorite users on this site who I have a lot of respect for. A lot of people who are around 15 years older than me feel like my teacher friends, whether I know them in my personal life or the internet.

I've said many times before on this site that you can't automatically judge a time period based off one specific culture that you follow the most. You gotta look at the big picture or everything. Political, worldly, social justice, sports, different cultural backgrounds of music or fashion, internet evolving over time, genres of TV shows, movies, gaming, etc. It depends on what you follow(ed) the most. If someone believes that the mid 2010's is currently the best time of their life right now, then there's no problem with that. People from different age groups, cultural backgrounds, or generations will have different taste in things based off how they grew up.

Thanks to you or UltraGameDog bringing this up. I'm thinking about starting a thread about the black pop culture throughout the core or mid 2000's. I have to refresh my memory and put it altogether so we can make a good discussion.

In your town? Damn. In New York, there's tons of f*cking hip-hop stations and every song sounds the same to me. It doesn't even have a rhythm to it anymore.


rap nowadays is just to me considered noise.

Excuse me? The adults are having a discussion. The children's table is over there.

https://wooden-toys-direct.co.uk/media/catalog/product/cache/1/thumbnail/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/c/h/childrens_table_and_chairs_wood.jpg


;D

Whatever bruh me and my gang of 2010s teens will kick ur ass any day.


Could you stop being so juvenile? ::)

Hip Hop was still all about being a "tuff thug" but that's pretty much it. It certainly wasn't a minority thing, either. Tons of people were into bad faux-Emo and Post-Post Grunge as these were mainstream genres. Rock music went to the dogs and turned from something that was very diverse to some of the most bland/generic music I've ever heard. Anime is definitely not tough and Latin music was mostly an early 00's trend.

Yeah, some but the essentials were gone. Dickies, Level 27, Atticus, Hurley, Hilfiger weren't cool anymore.

But it was what the genre had predominately become. Great or not they didn't have the same sound.


That's true, but remember that not all real mainstream 00s rap was tough and thuggy. There were some not like that such as Jay-Z, Twista, Kanye and Nas.

There was tons; however, there were tons of people into other genres as well during that era. In fact, were all mainstream Rock faux-Emo and Post-Post Grunge? I'm sure there were many bands who were not into that image at the time you're describing.

Anime music doesn't have to be tough. It can be melodic and energized and still be wonderful. Not all music was created to have a tough vibe. Frankly, Hip-Hop and Rock didn't began like that either. As for Latin, does J.Lo, Shakira and Frankie J ring a bell? They all had songs in the real 2000s and they were mainstream.

Here are some school photos from the real 00s.

http://theislandschool.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/DSC00034-Version-2.jpg

http://waltwhitmanhighschool.com/wwhs/classpics/2004_high.jpg

http://mountainbrook.weebly.com/uploads/4/5/2/6/45267331/2416330_orig.png

http://www.gchs2005tenyear.myevent.com/clients/9/94/945002b60868ba6bfd45a4cf36b8b1f4/8113623_org.jpg

http://www.panfoto.com/uploads/images/_cache/d9a2cc941d16207f6eb81a006e70416f.jpg

http://www.stumpranchonline.com/concretheighschool/2006/CHS2006.jpg

Do they scream real 2000s to you?

The soulful sound of R&B was still there. Not all of the songs during that era were uptempo.


Jordan is one of my favorite users on this site who I have a lot of respect for.

Thanks to you or UltraGameDog bringing this up. I'm thinking about starting a thread about the black pop culture throughout the core or mid 2000's. I have to refresh my memory and put it altogether so we can make a good discussion.
I agree. He's absolutely a great user; however, he should understand that not all core 00s pop culture was terrible. There was so much variety and something out there for everyone. As for your other statement, you're welcome :)

I knew this for a very long time, but I didn't want to admit it in front of him since Jordan is one of my favorite users on this site who I have a lot of respect for. A lot of people who are around 15 years older than me feel like my teacher friends, whether I know them in my personal life or the internet.

I've said many times before on this site that you can't automatically judge a time period based off one specific culture that you follow the most. You gotta look at the big picture or everything. Political, worldly, social justice, sports, different cultural backgrounds of music or fashion, internet evolving over time, genres of TV shows, movies, gaming, etc. It depends on what you follow(ed) the most. If someone believes that the mid 2010's is currently the best time of their life right now, then there's no problem with that. People from different age groups, cultural backgrounds, or generations will have different taste in things based off how they grew up.

Thanks to you or UltraGameDog bringing this up. I'm thinking about starting a thread about the black pop culture throughout the core or mid 2000's. I have to refresh my memory and put it altogether so we can make a good discussion.



I agree. He's absolutely a great user; however, he should understand that not all core 00s pop culture was terrible. There was so much variety and something out there for everyone. As for your other statement, you're welcome :)


Thanks! I'm glad you guys like my posts. Though, I'm still not changing my opinion about real 2000's pop culture. I will love the early 00's forever but the stuff post-2003 is just not for me.


That's true, but remember that not all real mainstream 00s rap was tough and thuggy. There were some not like that such as Jay-Z, Twista, Kanye and Nas.

There was tons; however, there were tons of people into other genres as well during that era. In fact, were all mainstream Rock faux-Emo and Post-Post Grunge? I'm sure there were many bands who were not into that image at the time you're describing.

Anime music doesn't have to be tough. It can be melodic and energized and still be wonderful. Not all music was created to have a tough vibe. Frankly, Hip-Hop and Rock didn't began like that either. As for Latin, does J.Lo, Shakira and Frankie J ring a bell? They all had songs in the real 2000s and they were mainstream.

Here are some school photos from the real 00s.

Do they scream real 2000s to you?

The soulful sound of R&B was still there. Not all of the songs during that era were uptempo.


Yeah, but I don't like the sound of hip hop around then. Especially the stuff Jay-Z was doing.

Yeah, seriously, I'm not kidding when I say that. This is during the time where hip hop was the dominant form of music for youth and I'd admit, there was a lot of different hip hop to choose from (though, none of it is stuff I would listen to. I like 1979-1996 hip hop) but rock got pushed over to the side. Because of the decline in rock focus, the variety also became less and we went from tons of different Pop Punk, Nu Metal, Pop Rock, Alternative, Post-Grunge, Post-Hardcore and real Emo to Post-Post Grunge and faux-Emo. 

I should probably clarify that I'm just kidding about calling it "wussy". ;D But Anime music, I don't remember it being a big mainstream thing on the charts or the radio. Yeah, but the main Latin trend was pretty much over aside from a few leftover artists.

Yeah, they do. A lot of the guys have short hair but I see quite a bit of the wings haircut, too. The girls mostly look like that typical mean girls fashion. I don't see them wearing any tomboy styles or short center-parted hair or bob cuts. I barely see any dreads, spiky hair that's either bleached or frosted, dickies pants or chain wallets.

Here's an early 00's yearbook from 2003:

http://www.cmhsclass03.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/yearbook-49.jpeg

http://www.cmhsclass03.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/yearbook-69.jpeg

http://www.cmhsclass03.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/yearbook-54.jpeg

I also can't imagine any high schoolers looking like this in the real 00s as they did in the early 00s:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_6XYsqI3rTqs/SdAVyM-JekI/AAAAAAAAABM/56EudQbFLXk/s400/seniorball.jpg

A lot of the plainer fashions were still there but the essentials were gone.

Yes, but a lot of the songs I heard were more dancy than the songs from the beginning of the decade that were slower and soulful.

 

Thanks! I'm glad you guys like my posts. Though, I'm still not changing my opinion about real 2000's pop culture. I will love the early 00's forever but the stuff post-2003 is just not for me.

Yeah, but I don't like the sound of hip hop around then. Especially the stuff Jay-Z was doing.

Yeah, seriously, I'm not kidding when I say that. This is during the time where hip hop was the dominant form of music for youth and I'd admit, there was a lot of different hip hop to choose from (though, none of it is stuff I would listen to. I like 1979-1996 hip hop) but rock got pushed over to the side. Because of the decline in rock focus, the variety also became less and we went from tons of different Pop Punk, Nu Metal, Pop Rock, Alternative, Post-Grunge, Post-Hardcore and real Emo to Post-Post Grunge and faux-Emo. 

I should probably clarify that I'm just kidding about calling it "wussy". ;D But Anime music, I don't remember it being a big mainstream thing on the charts or the radio. Yeah, but the main Latin trend was pretty much over aside from a few leftover artists.

Yeah, they do. A lot of the guys have short hair but I see quite a bit of the wings haircut, too. The girls mostly look like that typical mean girls fashion. I don't see them wearing any tomboy styles or short center-parted hair or bob cuts. I barely see any dreads, spiky hair that's either bleached or frosted, dickies pants or chain wallets.

Here's an early 00's yearbook from 2003:

http://www.cmhsclass03.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/yearbook-49.jpeg

http://www.cmhsclass03.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/yearbook-69.jpeg

http://www.cmhsclass03.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/yearbook-54.jpeg

I also can't imagine any high schoolers looking like this in the real 00s as they did in the early 00s:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_6XYsqI3rTqs/SdAVyM-JekI/AAAAAAAAABM/56EudQbFLXk/s400/seniorball.jpg

A lot of the plainer fashions were still there but the essentials were gone.

Yes, but a lot of the songs I heard were more dancy than the songs from the beginning of the decade that were slower and soulful. 


What did he do?

Well, there may have been many bands like those you're describing; however, there were a few or some who were in the minority 

I never said Anime music was mainstream.

There were those types as well, but the soulful R&B sound was still in the genre.

Here's some from 2004 and 2005

http://ashlandohiogenealogy.org/ashlandhighschool/ashhigh2004/IMG-one.jpg

http://ashlandohiogenealogy.org/ashlandhighschool/ashhigh2004/IMG-two.jpg

http://www.kewpie.net/Cresset03/2005page01.jpg

http://www.kewpie.net/Cresset03/2005page02.jpg

There's still a few hidden early 00s elements.

What did he do?

Well, there may have been many bands like those you're describing; however, there were a few or some who were in the minority 

I never said Anime music was mainstream.

There were those types as well, but the soulful R&B sound was still in the genre.

Here's some from 2004 and 2005

There's still a few hidden early 00s elements.


Stuff like "Show Me What You Got", "Let Me Love You", "Death of Auto Tune", and "Empire State of Mind" to name a few that were played on the radio during the later half of the 00's. That is not the style of music I like at all.

This was the majority of rock music during the real 2000s, though. In the minority, yes, in the underground there was slightly more variety but even then it became flooded with more faux-Emo rip offs.

Ok, I guess I misunderstood what you said.

Yeah, it might of still been there but it seemed that RnB lost most of it's soulful sound and gave way to a more dancy club-oriented sound.

I see your point but it's still just hidden. It's the plainest fashions leftover and non of the essentials that made the late 90s/early 00s fashion really cool.

Stuff like "Show Me What You Got", "Let Me Love You", "Death of Auto Tune", and "Empire State of Mind" to name a few that were played on the radio during the later half of the 00's. That is not the style of music I like at all.

This was the majority of rock music during the real 2000s, though. In the minority, yes, in the underground there was slightly more variety but even then it became flooded with more faux-Emo rip offs.

Ok, I guess I misunderstood what you said.

Yeah, it might of still been there but it seemed that RnB lost most of it's soulful sound and gave way to a more dancy club-oriented sound.

I see your point but it's still just hidden. It's the plainest fashions leftover and non of the essentials that made the late 90s/early 00s fashion really cool.


The old man is back at it again with the complaining like a little bitch.

The old man is back at it again with the complaining like a little bitch.


Your mother wouldn't like that language. ::)

The old man is back at it again with the complaining like a little bitch.


Be quiet!  :P

The old man is back at it again with the complaining like a little bitch.


Jordan never insulted you. So, I don't know why you get upset over his posts.

Jordan never insulted you. So, I don't know why you get upset over his posts.


Likes putting your dirty little nose into people's business NewYorkEagle.

Stuff like "Show Me What You Got", "Let Me Love You", "Death of Auto Tune", and "Empire State of Mind" to name a few that were played on the radio during the later half of the 00's. That is not the style of music I like at all.

This was the majority of rock music during the real 2000s, though. In the minority, yes, in the underground there was slightly more variety but even then it became flooded with more faux-Emo rip offs.

Ok, I guess I misunderstood what you said.

Yeah, it might of still been there but it seemed that RnB lost most of it's soulful sound and gave way to a more dancy club-oriented sound.

I see your point but it's still just hidden. It's the plainest fashions leftover and non of the essentials that made the late 90s/early 00s fashion really cool.


I know it's you opinion, but what are you taking about? Those bolded songs are fantastic.

But still within that minority, there were bands not part of that image.

When you mean dancy club-oriented, are you talking about Rhianna, Beyonce, Ciara etc?

What were the essentials of the late 90s/early 00s fashion? Are there certain elements that make that era distinct?

Likes putting your dirty little nose into people's business NewYorkEagle.


No, I'm just saying that Jordan never insulted you. So you're basically getting upset over trivial bullsh*t.

Jordan never insulted you. So, I don't know why you get upset over his posts.


Yeah! And he's racist, too!


Likes putting your dirty little nose into people's business NewYorkEagle.


No manners. ::)


I know it's you opinion, but what are you taking about? Those bolded songs are fantastic.

But still within that minority, there were bands not part of that image.

When you mean dancy club-oriented, are you talking about Rhianna, Beyonce, Ciara etc?

What were the essentials of the late 90s/early 00s fashion? Are there certain elements that make that era distinct?


I don't like the style. Like, my favorite era of Hip Hop is the late 80's. I like the grooves and the beats, stuff that's funky. I play the bass and the reason I got into Hip Hop is because of how funky it was. I like stuff like the Ultramagnetic MC's, Beastie Boys, Run DMC and NWA. Hip Hop, in my opinion, was really good to 1996 and just fell off afterwards. Those songs don't have the elements that got me into hip hop in the first place.

They were apart of rock's image in the real 00's, though. They were the minority among the hip hop but in rock circles, they are the bands that had come to represent rock music. Mainstream Rock was extremely bland in the real 00's and there was a huge lack of variety and unfortunately this seeped into the underground.

Yeah, stuff like that. Songs like Rhianna's type of music is the style of RnB I heard throughout the real 00's.

Stuff like: Dickies, Hurley, Atticus, Level 27, Hilfiger, Spiky hair (sometimes bleached, dyed or frosted), Aaron Carter type hair, chain wallets, bright colors, 3/4 shorts, gas station worker button shirts and dreads to name a few. A lot of these important elements were gone. The rest of the decade was very plain and only had small resemblances to the earlier style.