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Subject: do you think 2004-2006 was the most consistent?

Written By: sonic2005 on 12/22/15 at 8:55 am

2000-2001 was pretty much the late 90s extended 2002-2003 was like a y2k era/early 00s culture hybrid. 2008-2009 was pretty much setting up the 2010s. seemed like the mid 00s flowed together pretty well no major shifts and if there were it was nothing major.

Subject: Re: do you think 2004-2006 was the most consistent?

Written By: mqg96 on 12/22/15 at 8:57 am

What do you mean by the cultural period being "most consistent"?

Subject: Re: do you think 2004-2006 was the most consistent?

Written By: bchris02 on 12/22/15 at 12:44 pm

Mid 2004 through late 2006 had a consistent cultural vibe all the way through with virtually no changes.  2013-Present is similar in that respect, in my opinion.

Subject: Re: do you think 2004-2006 was the most consistent?

Written By: #Infinity on 12/22/15 at 1:37 pm

Honestly, the mid-2000s were one of the most inconsistent decade sub-eras in modern history.  The 2005-2006 school year felt like a very different world from the 2004-2005 school year.

Technologically, iPods and MySpace were well-known by 2004, but they were even bigger towards the end of 2005.  Wikipedia emerged as a primary database for the coming generation in late 2005/early 2006, something it still was not at the beginning of the mid-2000s.  Broadband Internet was also much more prevalent by late 2005 than it was at the beginning of 2004.  YouTube also first became public around spring 2005, with Smosh posting their first web video by the end of the year.  The mid-2000s in general represent the main transition between the Web 1.0 era and the Web 2.0 era, so of course the two ends of the period are quite distinct from each other.

In music, the pop punk scene was still mostly controlled by bands such as blink-182, Good Charlotte, and Bowling for Soup in 2004, but had progressed to more emo-leaning groups like Fall Out Boy and the All-American Rejects by the autumn of 2005.  Pop and urban also changed a lot during this period, with 2004 being all about Usher, BeyoncĂ©, and Lil' Jon but 2005 and early 2006 seeing the fast emergence of new artists like Rihanna, the Pussycat Dolls, and Chris Brown, not to mention snap music beginning to overtake the more holistic, Lil' Jon-pioneered crunk sound.  2005 was also defined by an abnormal number of musical comebacks, including 90s favorites like Mariah Carey, Weezer, and Green Day.  2004 was still the golden age of the Shady/Aftermath era of hip hop, but a string of disappointing releases in late 2004 and 2005, including those by Eminem and 50 Cent, quickly began shifting the pendulum more in Kanye West's favor.

2004-2006 were also huge times of change for television, with Cartoon Network's golden age and Nickelodeon's Klasky Csupo era both wrapping up in 2004, but the new generations of shows becoming completely established by the end of the mid-2000s.  Friends and Frasier finally concluded in 2004, while shows such as Hannah Montana, The Office, Naruto, Weeds, and Bones made their premieres later on.

In gaming, 2004 saw the debut of the Nintendo DS, but was mostly dominated by the peak of the sixth generation of gaming, the Game Boy Advance SP, and the height of PC gaming.  By late 2005, the DS was much more popular than GBA, the XBOX 360 was released, and Guitar Hero made its debut, eventually dethroning Dance Dance Revolution as king of music games, though from what I remember it may have taken a full year before everybody was talking about GH.  The influence of MMORPG's and other online games were also rapidly making their presence felt as the mid-2000s rolled along.

Even in international politics, the mid-2000s went from seeing Bush '43 elected to a second term in 2004, to dramatically losing popularity in late 2005 due to the horrendous government response to Hurricane Katrina, not to mention Iraq was now nothing but an unwanted burden, with no WOMD having been found and Saddam Hussein being sentenced to execution for the following year.  America still seemed to be in a pretty patriotic, post-9/11 mindset for most of 2004, but the backlash against Bush quickly grew overwhelming as the President entered the first year of his second term in office.

Even though I still consider the mid-2000s to be a distinct era of the 2000s, separate from the early 2000s and late 2000s, change was the primary factor that defined the period, reflecting in general the rapid strides society was making as the 21st century began to really unfold.

Subject: Re: do you think 2004-2006 was the most consistent?

Written By: Baltimoreian on 12/22/15 at 3:25 pm

I don't see the mid 2000s being consistent. I like it, but I wouldn't judge it politically, technologically, entertainment-wise and social-wise. I was just a kid back then, so I was just really peaceful back then.

Subject: Re: do you think 2004-2006 was the most consistent?

Written By: the2001 on 12/22/15 at 3:55 pm


Mid 2004 through late 2006 had a consistent cultural vibe all the way through with virtually no changes.  2013-Present is similar in that respect, in my opinion.

Subject: Re: do you think 2004-2006 was the most consistent?

Written By: Toon on 12/22/15 at 4:27 pm

Funny to think that the 2000s as a whole was never consistent.
2000-2001 = late 1990s part 2 (Only way I can describe it)
2002-2003 = early 2000s (2000s years that were trying to shake off them 1990s leftovers)
2004-2006 = core 2000s
2007 = late 2000s (it's the only late 2000s year that still felt 2000s to me)
2008-2009 = 2010s before 2010

To answer the question I didn't find 2004-2006 to be consistent. There were too many big changes coming in between 2004,2005, and 2006. Now these years all core 2000s, but they were different in things such as fashion, internet, gaming, music and other things.

Subject: Re: do you think 2004-2006 was the most consistent?

Written By: Slim95 on 12/22/15 at 11:03 pm

I would lump 2003-2007 as one cultural period. Nothing is ever "consistent" though as changes generally don't happen overnight and gradual changes occur little by little every year.

Subject: Re: do you think 2004-2006 was the most consistent?

Written By: mqg96 on 12/22/15 at 11:37 pm


I would lump 2003-2007 as one cultural period. Nothing is ever "consistent" though as changes generally don't happen overnight and gradual changes occur little by little every year.


I sorta disagree with 2003 being part of 2004-2007, that's just me. Again, I feel like 2002 & 2003 weren't that much different culturally (except for late 2003), while 2004-2007 was the whole core 2000's, although 2004 though most of 2006 was mid 2000's culture, and while late 2006 & 2007 was late 2000's culture it's still part of the core 2000's. Really you could say late 2001-mid 2006 was one whole era of its own, or late 2001-mid 2008 was the entire cultural 2000's.

Subject: Re: do you think 2004-2006 was the most consistent?

Written By: JordanK1982 on 12/23/15 at 12:13 am

Not really. There were a good amount of changes in 2004, 2005 and 2006 but they're still the same era. You know, rise of social media, HDTV, Facebook, Youtube etc. I don't think any era is actually year-to-year consistent but they just have enough in common to make them feel like one cohesive era. Also, strongly disagree with your 2002 and 2003 hybrid post. 2003 was the transition into 2004 where as 2002 was continuing the trends from 2000 and 2001.

Subject: Re: do you think 2004-2006 was the most consistent?

Written By: Eazy-EMAN1995 on 12/23/15 at 4:49 pm


I sorta disagree with 2003 being part of 2004-2007, that's just me. Again, I feel like 2002 & 2003 weren't that much different culturally (except for late 2003), while 2004-2007 was the whole core 2000's, although 2004 though most of 2006 was mid 2000's culture, and while late 2006 & 2007 was late 2000's culture it's still part of the core 2000's. Really you could say late 2001-mid 2006 was one whole era of its own, or late 2001-mid 2008 was the entire cultural 2000's.

ALL of THIS. Late 2001-mid 2006 was it's own big era. and late 2001-2008 was the entire cultural 2000s.

Subject: Re: do you think 2004-2006 was the most consistent?

Written By: Slim95 on 12/23/15 at 7:10 pm


I sorta disagree with 2003 being part of 2004-2007, that's just me. Again, I feel like 2002 & 2003 weren't that much different culturally (except for late 2003), while 2004-2007 was the whole core 2000's, although 2004 though most of 2006 was mid 2000's culture, and while late 2006 & 2007 was late 2000's culture it's still part of the core 2000's. Really you could say late 2001-mid 2006 was one whole era of its own, or late 2001-mid 2008 was the entire cultural 2000's.

2003 was definitely core 2000s to me. In Da Club and Lose Yourself are classic 2000s songs. MySpace was invented in 2003 and the classic IPod was already popular. These are all core 2000s things. 2003 and 2007 do have differences but the differences aren't as big as 2009 and 2005 for example. Which is why I say it was one big era.

Subject: Re: do you think 2004-2006 was the most consistent?

Written By: Eazy-EMAN1995 on 12/23/15 at 7:24 pm


2003 was definitely core 2000s to me. In Da Club and Lose Yourself are classic 2000s songs. MySpace was invented in 2003 and the classic IPod was already popular. These are all core 2000s things. 2003 and 2007 do have differences but the differences aren't as big as 2009 and 2005 for example. Which is why I say it was one big era.

Musically and even politically it probably was. BUT tv wise, sports, and kid culture wise it was definitely still early 2000s.  Also even though 50 cent broke through that year, R&B still sounded early 2000s like and nu metal was on it's last legs before metacore took over.

Subject: Re: do you think 2004-2006 was the most consistent?

Written By: mqg96 on 12/23/15 at 7:27 pm


2003 was definitely core 2000s to me. In Da Club and Lose Yourself are classic 2000s songs. MySpace was invented in 2003 and the classic IPod was already popular. These are all core 2000s things. 2003 and 2007 do have differences but the differences aren't as big as 2009 and 2005 for example. Which is why I say it was one big era.


I'm not a big expert on music pre-2007, since most of the time as a kid it was only mainstream music old or new that my parents exposed me to. The iPod didn't start getting big until 2004 according to most sources and people. Myspace was just getting started in August 2003 so most of 2003 it wasn't around yet. 2004 was also the first full year broadbands became more popular than dial-up. Same thing could be said about 2008 too. Spring & Summer 2008 could still be part of the core 2000's (like late 2000's culture extended from 2007) but it doesn't mean 2008 was a core 2000's year. 2003 was the transition year into the core 2000's kinda like how 2008 was the transition year out of the core 2000's. It doesn't make 2003 or 2008 core 2000's years since those were transition years.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPod

Though the iPod was released in 2001, its price and Mac-only compatibility caused sales to be relatively slow until 2004. The iPod line came from Apple's "digital hub" category, when the company began creating software for the growing market of personal digital devices. Digital cameras, camcorders and organizers had well-established mainstream markets, but the company found existing digital music players "big and clunky or small and useless" with user interfaces that were "unbelievably awful," so Apple decided to develop its own.

Subject: Re: do you think 2004-2006 was the most consistent?

Written By: mqg96 on 12/23/15 at 7:29 pm


Musically and even politically it probably was. BUT tv wise, sports, and kid culture wise it was definitely still early 2000s.  Also even though 50 cent broke through that year, R&B still sounded early 2000s like and nu metal was on it's last legs before metacore took over.


All of this too! If people say 2003 is core 2000's then same would have to be said about Fall 2001 through all of 2002 as well, which isn't true. Late 2003 could debatably be the beginning of core 2000's culture since it was the beginning of the transition from early 2000's to mid 2000's culture, while mid 2008 marked the end of the core 2000's while late 2008 was the beginning of the transition from late 2000's to early 2010's culture, but again, we're talking about the FULL 2000's years. Which is why 2004-2007 is core 2000's, not 2003 or 2008. It's a common misconception IMO.

Subject: Re: do you think 2004-2006 was the most consistent?

Written By: Toon on 12/23/15 at 8:15 pm

In my opinion just because something was released in a certain year it doesn't cause much of a change until that particular thing becomes popular. Obvious examples would be things like Myspace and such. Was released in 2003, but didn't get popular until 2005-2008. Same with Facebook. It came out in 2004 yet didn't get popular until 2008-2009.


As quoted here.
"From 2005 until 2008, Myspace was the largest social networking site in the world, and in June 2006 surpassed Google as the most visited website in the United States. In April 2008, Myspace was overtaken by Facebook in the number of unique worldwide visitors, and was surpassed in the number of unique U.S. visitors in May 2009"

As for the Ipod while it did come out in the early 2000s it wasn't really popular until the mid 2000s.

Here is a chart with yearly statistics.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/34/Ipod_sales_per_quarter.svg/800px-Ipod_sales_per_quarter.svg.png

And here is a quote.
"Since October 2004, the iPod line has dominated digital music player sales in the United States, with over 90% of the market for hard drive-based players and over 70% of the market for all types of players. During the year from January 2004 to January 2005, the high rate of sales caused its U.S. market share to increase from 31% to 65% and in July 2005, this market share was measured at 74%. In January 2007 the iPod market share reached 72.7% according to Bloomberg Online."

It started to dominate in the mid 2000s, but not in the early 2000s where people were still using other things for music. Between 2001-2003 it was still beaten by other devices. But in 2004 onward it became more and more successful.

Subject: Re: do you think 2004-2006 was the most consistent?

Written By: Slim95 on 12/23/15 at 8:43 pm

I still say 2003 is classic 00's. There's nothing 90's about it. It seems different enough from 2002 too. Also if there is one song to define the entire 00's decade it would be In Da Club. Which is why 2003 is a core 00's year (2005 is the most classic, but 2003 is still part of the core 00's years). The music like In Da Club totally defined the 00's.

Subject: Re: do you think 2004-2006 was the most consistent?

Written By: Toon on 12/23/15 at 8:55 pm


I still say 2003 is classic 00's. There's nothing 90's about it. It seems different enough from 2002 too. Also if there is one song to define the entire 00's decade it would be In Da Club. Which is why 2003 is a core 00's year (2005 is the most classic, but 2003 is still part of the core 00's years). The music like In Da Club totally defined the 00's.


Excuse me if this may seem as disrespectful. But the idea of 1 song defining an entire year/decade seems a bit odd to me. But hey different opinions. Everyone is entitled to their own I suppose.

Subject: Re: do you think 2004-2006 was the most consistent?

Written By: 80sfan on 12/23/15 at 8:59 pm

I would include Crazy In Love by Beyoncé, as one of the songs of the decade.

Subject: Re: do you think 2004-2006 was the most consistent?

Written By: bchris02 on 12/23/15 at 9:45 pm


In my opinion just because something was released in a certain year it doesn't cause much of a change until that particular thing becomes popular. Obvious examples would be things like Myspace and such. Was released in 2003, but didn't get popular until 2005-2008. Same with Facebook. It came out in 2004 yet didn't get popular until 2008-2009.


I completely agree.  When something revolutionary is introduced, you also have to consider its cultural impact over time and its adoption by the mainstream.

It's like most people on this site consider the cultural 2010s to have begun in 2008, because Lady Gaga released "Just Dance" and it was getting tons of radio airplay during the second half of that year.  While I am not going to disagree that Lady Gaga represents the early 2010s more than the late 2000s, the fact she debuted in 2008 doesn't mean the cultural 2010s started in 2008.  From her debut in the fall of 2008 until the electropop explosion in late 2009, she was one of a kind.  Everything else on the radio had more ties to the 2000s than the '10s.

It's the same thing when it comes to smartphones.  The iPhone came out in 2007, but it was a novelty until 2010 when smartphones started to become mainstream.  Most people in 2008 didn't have an iPhone.  To consider the smartphone age to have begun in 2007 is not considering adoption rate and when the majority of people were trading their flip phones for smart phones.  That happened en masse in 2010 and 2011, not 2007.

Subject: Re: do you think 2004-2006 was the most consistent?

Written By: JordanK1982 on 12/23/15 at 10:44 pm


I still say 2003 is classic 00's. There's nothing 90's about it. It seems different enough from 2002 too. Also if there is one song to define the entire 00's decade it would be In Da Club. Which is why 2003 is a core 00's year (2005 is the most classic, but 2003 is still part of the core 00's years). The music like In Da Club totally defined the 00's.


It was pretty different from 2000, 2001 and 2002 in a lot of ways. There was a noticeable transition from the beginning to the end of 2003 if we look at the music, styles and attitudes. You had both 50 Cent and Lil Jon breakout right as the year began. Two artists that defined the 2000's. As 2003 progressed, you also had Fall Out Boy release Take This To Your Grave and blink-182 release the untitled album which I pinpoint as the time when Pop Punk started to shed the spiky-haired slacker demeanor and the pieces were placed for the more serious mid-2000's style of Emo-Pop. June 2003 is also when DVD overtook VHS. 

Subject: Re: do you think 2004-2006 was the most consistent?

Written By: mqg96 on 12/23/15 at 10:58 pm


I still say 2003 is classic 00's. There's nothing 90's about it. It seems different enough from 2002 too. Also if there is one song to define the entire 00's decade it would be In Da Club. Which is why 2003 is a core 00's year (2005 is the most classic, but 2003 is still part of the core 00's years). The music like In Da Club totally defined the 00's.


2002 & early 2003 felt the same. Mid/late 2003 is when the transition from early 2000's to mid 2000's began but the changes weren't in full effect until the start of 2004, which is why I consider 2004 as the first full core 2000's year. 2003 was transitional to me. It still felt like the late 90's/early 2000's era during the 1st half of the year but throughout the 2nd half of the year it started leaning towards the core 2000's. I have to agree with all of Toon's points though, and I agree with Eric and Jordan's points as well. We are entitled to our own opinions. I've talked to many other folks on other websites too, not just this one. I know many friends and acquaintances of mine who believe all of 2003 was no different than 2002. Some believe ALL of 2003 was completely different than 2002. Everyone agrees that 2004 was the 1st full core 2000's year from what I've noticed. 2003 is very debatable and it gets argued by a lot of people rather it should still be part of the late 90's/early 2000's era from 1998-2002 or the core 2000's era from 2004-2007.

Subject: Re: do you think 2004-2006 was the most consistent?

Written By: Toon on 12/23/15 at 11:22 pm


2002 & early 2003 felt the same. Mid/late 2003 is when the transition from early 2000's to mid 2000's began but the changes weren't in full effect until the start of 2004, which is why I consider 2004 as the first full core 2000's year. 2003 was transitional to me. It still felt like the late 90's/early 2000's era during the 1st half of the year but throughout the 2nd half of the year it started leaning towards the core 2000's. I have to agree with all of Toon's points though, and I agree with Eric and Jordan's points as well. We are entitled to our own opinions. I've talked to many other folks on other websites too, not just this one. I know many friends and acquaintances of mine who believe all of 2003 was no different than 2002. Some believe ALL of 2003 was completely different than 2002. Everyone agrees that 2004 was the 1st full core 2000's year from what I've noticed. 2003 is very debatable and it gets argued by a lot of people rather it should still be part of the late 90's/early 2000's era from 1998-2002 or the core 2000's era from 2004-2007.


I guess it mostly depends on one's experience in 2003. For some 2003 was completely different than 2002. But for others 2003 may not have felt much different until the latter half of the year. To me Spring-Summer of 2003 felt like 2002. But Fall of 2003 I guess is where things started to change. But it wasn't a big immediate change. More like a subtle/gradual change. As for 2004 onward I can see it as core 2000s (makes sense as it's the first full year of the mid/core 2000s date wish).

I can explain why I see 2003 as more comparable to 2002 than 2004, but there isn't much of a point as it's all opinionated anyways. For some core 2000s could've started as early as Spring 2003. And for others it could've been in Fall 2003 (or Spring 2004).

Subject: Re: do you think 2004-2006 was the most consistent?

Written By: #Infinity on 12/24/15 at 1:07 am


I completely agree.  When something revolutionary is introduced, you also have to consider its cultural impact over time and its adoption by the mainstream.

It's like most people on this site consider the cultural 2010s to have begun in 2008, because Lady Gaga released "Just Dance" and it was getting tons of radio airplay during the second half of that year.  While I am not going to disagree that Lady Gaga represents the early 2010s more than the late 2000s, the fact she debuted in 2008 doesn't mean the cultural 2010s started in 2008.  From her debut in the fall of 2008 until the electropop explosion in late 2009, she was one of a kind.  Everything else on the radio had more ties to the 2000s than the '10s.


Yep, in the same way, you can't consider 1991 to be a core 90s year simply because Nirvana's Smells Like Teen Spirit came out that year.  It may be the definitive song of the decade, but it was still popular during a time that the 90s feel had not 100% overtaken 80s influences yet.  Grunge took another year to fully establish itself and hair metal didn't let off completely until around the time Clinton became President of the United States.  Fashion from 1991 was still extremely late 80s, with the Seattle look not becoming truly evident until about late 1992, peaking mostly around 1993-1995.  I don't even think 1991 leaned more towards the 90s in general until the last third of the year, which was when Nirvana first became huge, but they weren't fully responsible for the 90s developing its identity.

Subject: Re: do you think 2004-2006 was the most consistent?

Written By: #Infinity on 12/24/15 at 1:13 am

As for the Ipod while it did come out in the early 2000s it wasn't really popular until the mid 2000s.

Here is a chart with yearly statistics.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/34/Ipod_sales_per_quarter.svg/800px-Ipod_sales_per_quarter.svg.png


Wow, I had no idea that the iPod was still so insignificant in 2004.  I thought I remember people talking about it quite a lot during the late part of that year.  This information alone tempts me to call 2005 the quintessential 2000s year instead of 2004, as much as I think 2004 was more memorable.

Subject: Re: do you think 2004-2006 was the most consistent?

Written By: ocarinafan96 on 12/24/15 at 11:02 am


Wow, I had no idea that the iPod was still so insignificant in 2004.  I thought I remember people talking about it quite a lot during the late part of that year.  This information alone tempts me to call 2005 the quintessential 2000s year instead of 2004, as much as I think 2004 was more memorable.


Yeah I always though the definitive 2000's year was either 2004 or 2005. Regardless both of those years bring back great memories

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