Is it just me or did anyone feel in the second half of 2004 its just screamed  "THE CULTURE IS HERE". Things
like Myspace debuting,Laguna Beach,Nintendo Ds, Emo fad (lasted like 4 years)

Anyone else feel the same way?

I already thought 2000s culture was heavily established by 2001 when things like Shrek, GameCube, original XBOX, and the first Harry Potter movie were out, but I suppose you can definitely say the second half of 2004 was when 2000s culture peaked.  In general, I consider 2004-2005 to be the definitive school year for the decade's culture, as it was basically the time everything distinctly 2000s was highly relevant.

I agree. That fall season things did feel different indeed. New tv shows on the air like Boston Legal, Desperate Housewives, CSI New York, Rescue Me, Entourage, House, Veronica Mars, LOST all being on the air. Nick, Cartoon Network, and Toon Disney all went through changes.  The re election of Bush. The housing bubble. WWE begun transtioning to Cena and Batista. The NHL had a DEVASTATING lockout, which pretty much destroyed hockey. Kobe and Shaq were no longer teammates, and now were bitter enemies. Metacore over taking nu metal, crank rap overtaking glam rap. It felt like we were officially in a TOTAL 2000s world.


Also Infinity, 2001 was a transnational period. MOST of the year still felt Y2kish. The culture was not fully established quite yet.

Also Infinity, 2001 was a transnational period. MOST of the year still felt Y2kish. The culture was not fully established quite yet.


2001 was absolutely transitional, but it was also the first year that produced a significant amount of early 2000s culture (2000 had quite a bit too, but that year was still core Y2K).  9/11 was the clincher that made it feel like the 2000s zeitgeist was now more dominant than the late 90s mindset.

I would say Late 2004 through Early 2007ish was the absolute peak in 2000's Culture; The Butt Logos, Name Brands, Emo Fashion & Music, Crunk Rap, R&B, Myspsce, Early YouTube & Facebook, Tv shows like Laguna Beach and The O.C, etc.

I agree EazyMan, 2001 was more of a transitional year from Y2K Culture to the True Early 2000's Culture. It really wasn't until after 9/11 that the culture started transition fully to early 00's, most of the year while transitional still had a bit of a Y2K/Prosperous Vibe going on

I always feel like all of 2004 felt pretty 2000's based off of the build ups and transitions from 2003. Myspace was already pretty big by time 2004 came around, if my memory is right. If there's one month that sticks out to me, it's June. June of 2004 feels very "the new culture is here!" That month was huge for mid-2000's Emo because it's when From First to Last, Aiden, Hawthorne Heights and especially My Chemical Romance all released major albums that would push forward and cement the mid-00's Emo Pop style while, at the same time, killing the late 90's/early 00's Jimmy Eat World style. Even early that year, bands like Sum 41, Good Charlotte, Simple Plan and Green Day started dressing darker and more "Emo" (in the mid-2000's sense of the word) and the music became less and less Pop Punk.

If there's one month that sticks out to me, it's June. June of 2004 feels very "the new culture is here!" That month was huge for mid-2000's Emo because it's when From First to Last, Aiden, Hawthorne Heights and especially My Chemical Romance all released major albums that would push forward and cement the mid-00's Emo Pop style while, at the same time, killing the late 90's/early 00's Jimmy Eat World style. Even early that year, bands like Sum 41, Good Charlotte, Simple Plan and Green Day started dressing darker and more "Emo" (in the mid-2000's sense of the word) and the music became less and less Pop Punk.


LMAO! "Killing the late 90's/early 00's Jimmy Eat World style." Speaking of June 2004, from a kid's perspective, that's when Cartoon Network's golden age came to an official end and rebranded into the CN City theme look including the new logo (which the network still uses to this day abbreviated)! So ironic that you'd pick that month of 2004. Guess that makes since perfectly!

LMAO! "Killing the late 90's/early 00's Jimmy Eat World style." Speaking of June 2004, from a kid's perspective, that's when Cartoon Network's golden age came to an official end and rebranded into the CN City theme look including the new logo (which the network still uses to this day abbreviated)! So ironic that you'd pick that month of 2004. Guess that makes since perfectly!


I remember that! Even in my 20's, I still watched quite a bit of cartoons like Johnny Bravo and Dexter's Laboratory so I can remember when Cartoon Network started changing up their format and totally removed all their old shows. I didn't even think about that but it all falls into place really well. It's weird how in summer 2004, everything from before was purged and replaced.

I always feel like all of 2004 felt pretty 2000's based off of the build ups and transitions from 2003. Myspace was already pretty big by time 2004 came around, if my memory is right. If there's one month that sticks out to me, it's June. June of 2004 feels very "the new culture is here!" That month was huge for mid-2000's Emo because it's when From First to Last, Aiden, Hawthorne Heights and especially My Chemical Romance all released major albums that would push forward and cement the mid-00's Emo Pop style while, at the same time, killing the late 90's/early 00's Jimmy Eat World style. Even early that year, bands like Sum 41, Good Charlotte, Simple Plan and Green Day started dressing darker and more "Emo" (in the mid-2000's sense of the word) and the music became less and less Pop Punk.


No one really used myspace until like late august of 2004 (around when school started)

I remember that! Even in my 20's, I still watched quite a bit of cartoons like Johnny Bravo and Dexter's Laboratory so I can remember when Cartoon Network started changing up their format and totally removed all their old shows. I didn't even think about that but it all falls into place really well. It's weird how in summer 2004, everything from before was purged and replaced.

dont forget Toonami got relegated to late night time slot on Saturdays

No one really used myspace until like late august of 2004 (around when school started)


Ah, ok. I was never too hip on social networking sites.


dont forget Toonami got relegated to late night time slot on Saturdays


That's right, too, isn't it. A lot of really big changes took place in 2004.

Ah, ok. I was never too hip on social networking sites.

That's right, too, isn't it. A lot of really big changes took place in 2004.


The new Cartoon Network era debuted, Was not even that bad, Toonami stopped airing on weekdays which kinda sucked.
2004 also brought in these flip phones that had camreas and Sidekicks, sidekicks blew up around Nov 2004.

Sidekicks were like the smartphone of the mid 2000s

http://www4.pictures.zimbio.com/bg/T+Mobile+Sidekick+II+party+IGqouSChytNx.jpg

The new Cartoon Network era debuted, Was not even that bad, Toonami stopped airing on weekdays which kinda sucked.
2004 also brought in these flip phones that had camreas and Sidekicks, sidekicks blew up around Nov 2004.

Sidekicks were like the smartphone of the mid 2000s



Yeah! I remember those things! Another thing that got really really big in 2004 was the iPod. That completely replaced the Discman.

Yeah! I remember those things! Another thing that got really really big in 2004 was the iPod. That completely replaced the Discman.

Yup, the IPOD also blew up in the fall of 2004, IPOD pretty much gave the middle finger to the discman and kicked its ass.
Itunes was also a huge factor IPOd was good, the interface was easy to use.

late 2004 fashion in a nutshell

http://www.party-favors.biz/lwt-052304/lwt-052304-8.jpg

There's no difference to me!  :(

late 2004 fashion in a nutshell

http://www.party-favors.biz/lwt-052304/lwt-052304-8.jpg


Brings back memories. I was 15 for most of 2004. Yup, that's how we dressed.  8)

Yup, the IPOD also blew up in the fall of 2004, IPOD pretty much gave the middle finger to the discman and kicked its ass.
Itunes was also a huge factor IPOd was good, the interface was easy to use.


Same with the DVD and Broadband. Threw VHS and Dial-Up out the window.

Rock bands of 2004:

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-cTd4O3PHBIQ/UCX1OfceqtI/AAAAAAAAAII/MDI4AbR6ImA/s320/Discogs_FromFirstToLast.jpg

There's no difference to me!  :(


These are the type of topics I don't know how to answer haha The only later half difference of a year I noticed was 2003.

Ah, ok. I was never too hip on social networking sites.

Why not?

I would say Late 2004 through Early 2007ish was the absolute peak in 2000's Culture; The Butt Logos, Name Brands, Emo Fashion & Music, Crunk Rap, R&B, Myspsce, Early YouTube & Facebook, Tv shows like Laguna Beach and The O.C, etc.


I agree with this.  I would say mid 2004 through mid 2007 or possibly early 2008 was the peak of the '00s.

I think the peak of 2000s culture was roughly early 2003 through the summer of 2007.  After the conclusion of shows like The Sopranos, 7th Heaven, Veronica Mars, and Gilmore Girls, plus the release of the final Harry Potter novel, emergence of pseudo-dance influences in pop music, full takeoff of the seventh generation of gaming with the explosion of iconic modern franchises on XBOX 360 and PS3, the discontinuation of the GameCube and original XBOX, premiere of shows popular in the 2010s like Mad Men and The Big Bang Theory, the releases of Superbad and Juno, YouTube beginning to truly diversify its range of shows beyond just Smosh and gaming channels like AVGN (not to mention everyone knew what it was by this point), the transition into the Web 2.0 era being complete, the initial signs of the Recession, and the iPhone existing, popular culture started to feel significantly removed from what it was for the majority of the 2000s decade, even though the 2010s zeitgeist clearly wasn't established yet.  The shift between the 2006-2007 and 2007-2008 school years was not huge, but it was still just enough to tip the scale of cultural influences away from the core 2000s and more towards the dawn of the 2010s.

Same with the DVD and Broadband. Threw VHS and Dial-Up out the window.


Although, VHS tapes and dial-up Internet stayed in the mid 2000s for a while to some people.

The shift between the 2006-2007 and 2007-2008 school years was not huge, but it was still just enough to tip the scale of cultural influences away from the core 2000s and more towards the dawn of the 2010s.


I would say this is more true for the 2008-09 school year.  I would say 2007-08 was the last classic '00s school year.

The first half of 2008 was more like 2004 than it was like 2011.  There was no electropop on the charts at all and MySpace was still more popular than Facebook.  Emo and scene were still predominant.  Other than that, I agree with the rest of your post.  The 2004-08 period was defined by the transition from Web 1.0 to 2.0.


Although, VHS tapes and dial-up Internet stayed in the mid 2000s for a while to some people.


I got broadband finally in 2005.  A lot of people still had dial-up much longer though.  It wasn't until the late '00s that dial-up reached a point where it was no longer relevant.

I agree with this. I would say mid 2004 through mid 2007 or possibly early 2008 was the peak of the '00s.

This.

I would say this is more true for the 2008-09 school year.  I would say 2007-08 was the last classic '00s school year.

The first half of 2008 was more like 2004 than it was like 2011.  There was no electropop on the charts at all and MySpace was still more popular than Facebook.  Emo and scene were still predominant.  Other than that, I agree with the rest of your post.  The 2004-08 period was defined by the transition from Web 1.0 to 2.0.

I disagree, I think even the first half of 2008 was closer to 2011, even if not by much.  2004 had no YouTube, Wikipedia and Facebook weren't relevant yet, iPods and MySpace only just entered mainstream popularity, pop punk was still not finished transitioning into pop-emo, America reelected George W. Bush, 50 Cent and Lil' Jon were still more popular than Lil' Wayne and T.I., Rihanna was not famous yet, Lindsay Lohan was still on top of the world, Paris Hilton the famous-for-nothing celebrity of the day instead of Kim Kardashian, the sixth generation of gaming was in its peak, and the lineup of television shows in 2004 is extremely different from 2008 (i.e., no Office, no Big Bang Theory, no 30 Rock, no Avatar: The Last Airbender, etc.).  By the first half of 2008, Obama was extremely popular, 50 Cent's luck had completely run out, The Sopranos was over, YouTube was flourishing with videos of all sorts, HDTV was just starting to become mainstream, the seventh generation of gaming was in full swing, the economy was on the verge of collapse, Facebook was nearly as popular as MySpace, and Bush was overwhelmingly reviled, with the United States heading in a more progressive direction.

Although, VHS tapes and dial-up Internet stayed in the mid 2000s for a while to some people.


This is true. I think the last time that VHS and dial-up was the norm was probably 2003. After that DVD and broadband took over, but, the last time they were still used by a somewhat decent amount of people was maybe 2006 or 2007. It still wasn't really common to see by then, though. I, on the other hand, still use my VCR to this day. Nothing beats the good ol' tape.

Although, VHS tapes and dial-up Internet stayed in the mid 2000s for a while to some people.


after that it became an obscurity.

Why not?


I don't like how personal it gets. I'm not too keen on the idea of being profiled by these sites. I also don't like sitting there and staring at these photos of people. And when I want to talk to people, I prefer when somebody calls me on the phone to say hi and ask me about my day. I'd get depressed if I sat there looking at a bunch of Facebook profiles so I avoid it like the plague.


after that it became an obscurity.


Pretty much, yeah. From 2004 onward, I think 1/20 people you'd meet would of still had dial-up or used VHS.

This is true. I think the last time that VHS and dial-up was the norm was probably 2003. After that DVD and broadband took over, but, the last time they were still used by a somewhat decent amount of people was maybe 2006 or 2007. It still wasn't really common to see by then, though. I, on the other hand, still use my VCR to this day. Nothing beats the good ol' tape.


Anybody can still use VHS tapes if they want to. It's their choice if they saved the old tapes for years. Either way, VHS has been past its prime since summer 2003 hit when DVD's entered its prime. Now throughout the mid 2000's I do remember the DVD players combined with VCR boxes still being common for a while. I don't even think that disappeared until the late 2000's or even early 2010's. At least around the time Blu-Ray took over in popularity.

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41BJZFYC3TL.jpg

Anybody can still use VHS tapes if they want to. It's their choice if they saved the old tapes for years. Either way, VHS has been past its prime since summer 2003 hit when DVD's entered its prime. Now throughout the mid 2000's I do remember the DVD players combined with VCR boxes still being common for a while. I don't even think that disappeared until the late 2000's or even early 2010's. At least around the time Blu-Ray took over in popularity.

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41BJZFYC3TL.jpg


My parents have had a VCR since before I was born. It's from 1980 and before I moved out, around 2006-ish, they wanted to throw it out but I said "No way! I'll take it with me! All the tapes, too!" Still works and everything! Yeah, I remember those still being around until 2010 or so. Did you know Panasonic actually made Blu-Ray/VCR combos? I think you can still buy them somewhere.

I don't like how personal it gets. I'm not too keen on the idea of being profiled by these sites. I also don't like sitting there and staring at these photos of people. And when I want to talk to people, I prefer when somebody calls me on the phone to say hi and ask me about my day. I'd get depressed if I sat there looking at a bunch of Facebook profiles so I avoid it like the plague.

and that's why I don't have a Facebook.

and that's why I don't have a Facebook.


Same here. It's an invasion of privacy.

Anybody can still use VHS tapes if they want to. It's their choice if they saved the old tapes for years. Either way, VHS has been past its prime since summer 2003 hit when DVD's entered its prime. Now throughout the mid 2000's I do remember the DVD players combined with VCR boxes still being common for a while. I don't even think that disappeared until the late 2000's or even early 2010's. At least around the time Blu-Ray took over in popularity.

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41BJZFYC3TL.jpg

In which specific year of the late 00s do you think VHS completely dried up? 2007, 2008, or 2009?

In which specific year of the late 00s do you think VHS completely dried up? 2007, 2008, or 2009?


2006 actually. The last major Hollywood film to be released on VHS was "A History of Violence" in 2006.

Anybody can still use VHS tapes if they want to. It's their choice if they saved the old tapes for years. Either way, VHS has been past its prime since summer 2003 hit when DVD's entered its prime. Now throughout the mid 2000's I do remember the DVD players combined with VCR boxes still being common for a while. I don't even think that disappeared until the late 2000's or even early 2010's. At least around the time Blu-Ray took over in popularity.

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41BJZFYC3TL.jpg


It died out in the late 2000s. In the early 2010s, barely anybody used a VHS player to play anything. Hell, even for me, I didn't use one regularly once the 2010s started.

Same here. It's an invasion of privacy.


I don't want to view pictures all day.

I don't want to view pictures all day.


Me, neither. If there's one thing I hate about those sites is that often people I know will add people that I don't like as their friends. During my personal time, I don't want to see the faces and pictures of people I don't like whatsoever. If my friends really have this strong urge to share their photos with me then they can invite me over and show me but I'm kind of glad they don't 'cause that'd get real boring real fast.

Me, neither. If there's one thing I hate about those sites is that often people I know will add people that I don't like as their friends. During my personal time, I don't want to see the faces and pictures of people I don't like whatsoever. If my friends really have this strong urge to share their photos with me then they can invite me over and show me but I'm kind of glad they don't 'cause that'd get real boring real fast.

This is why I miss the days of photo albums.

This is why I miss the days of photo albums.


All of mine are at my parents house. I got loads of photos of me and my friends, the different bands we saw, etc., etc. It's nice to look through but it's bittersweet because I miss those days.

All of mine are at my parents house. I got loads of photos of me and my friends, the different bands we saw, etc., etc. It's nice to look through but it's bittersweet because I miss those days.


I don't need to be looking through a bunch of photos online, that's just me, I do it the old school way.

The winter of 2004 was wonderful!

I don't need to be looking through a bunch of photos online, that's just me, I do it the old school way.


Same here and I like it that way. The old school way is the best way.

Same here and I like it that way. The old school way is the best way.


the original was our Facebook if you want to call it that.

the original was our Facebook if you want to call it that.


Yeah, but not as much of a brain dead activity.  ;D

Yeah, but not as much of a brain dead activity.  ;D


If I wanted to look at a picture book of old photos I have them stored in my Mother's closet.

I was still a fairly new member on this site, but I was a regular every day, and posted a lot. Elsewhere, I was an undergrad student at CSU Northridge, having a "take-it-easy" semester as I began to gradually shift towards a different academic major. Overall, I had lots of good times. :)

If I wanted to look at a picture book of old photos I have them stored in my Mother's closet.


Haha, same here. Much like music, there is something special about having the psychical thing in my hand rather than some pixels on my computer screen.

If I wanted to look at a picture book of old photos I have them stored in my Mother's closet.

We have some such albums stored in a closet in our house too. :) This includes photos from my mom's childhood, into her early adult years.

Haha, same here. Much like music, there is something special about having the psychical thing in my hand rather than some pixels on my computer screen.


or listening to internet music.

We have some such albums stored in a closet in our house too. :) This includes photos from my mom's childhood, into her early adult years.


back then you never had likes or dislikes, thumbs up or thumbs down while viewing a picture book.

back then you never had likes or dislikes, thumbs up or thumbs down while viewing a picture book.

Yes, only online pictures have that option now. Actual physical prints don't have that option (technically), although you can personally like or dislike them.

or listening to internet music.


Nothing beats a good ol' tape/CD/record!

Nothing beats a good ol' tape/CD/record!


the sounds of the cracks and whistles of an old Victrola.

the sounds of the cracks and whistles of an old Victrola.


Those things are too old for me! ;D Growing up, my parents had an RCA turntable and stereo system.

Those things are too old for me! ;D Growing up, my parents had an RCA turntable and stereo system.


I'm older than you and I had a Victrola.

I'm older than you and I had a Victrola.


Did you have the really old looking model or something more modern looking?

Did you have the really old looking model or something more modern looking?


It was an old looking model.

It was an old looking model.


Did it have the really big speak that looked like a horn on it, too?

Did it have the really big speak that looked like a horn on it, too?


No it was an old Victrola, no speaker.

Nothing beats a good ol' tape/CD/record!

And I have instances of all three in my home!

No it was an old Victrola, no speaker.


What year was it from?


And I have instances of all three in my home!


Me, too! I've never gotten rid of anything, either. All the old records, CD's and cassettes I got when I was younger I still use to this day. I always say: if it ain't broke, don't fix it!

What year was it from?

Me, too! I've never gotten rid of anything, either. All the old records, CD's and cassettes I got when I was younger I still use to this day. I always say: if it ain't broke, don't fix it!

Yep, all of my Cassettes and VHS tapes are still in good working condition. And we have a record player that we got in 03; this unit can also play tapes and CDs.

What year was it from?

Me, too! I've never gotten rid of anything, either. All the old records, CD's and cassettes I got when I was younger I still use to this day. I always say: if it ain't broke, don't fix it!


I'm not sure exactly.

Yep, all of my Cassettes and VHS tapes are still in good working condition. And we have a record player that we got in 03; this unit can also play tapes and CDs.


my cassettes are not in the best condition cause from wear and tear throughout the years.

Yep, all of my Cassettes and VHS tapes are still in good working condition. And we have a record player that we got in 03; this unit can also play tapes and CDs.


That's pretty rad! I would of taken my parents' old system but they still use it so I had to buy my own. I got a turntable but I had to the buy the stereo deck separate and this one guy I knew was selling one from 1988 with both the CD and tape deck  so I thought 'what the hell!' and I love it! I actually own a VCR from 1980. My parent's were early adopters to the format and they bought it before it was born. They wanted to throw it out but I told them I still use videos and they gave it to me. It works perfectly! There is so much charm in these formats. I don't get the same feeling listening to an mp3 or streaming a video.


my cassettes are not in the best condition cause from wear and tear throughout the years.


Hahaha, that happens. ;D Good things they're so cheap and you can find them almost anywhere.

That's pretty rad! I would taken my parents' old system but they still use it so I had to buy my own. I got a turntable but I had to the buy the stereo deck separate and this one guy I knew was selling one from 1988 with both the CD and tape deck so I thought 'what the hell!' and I love it! I actually own a VCR from 1980. My parent's were early adopters to the format and they bought it before it was born. They wanted to throw it out but I told them I still use videos and they gave it to me. It works perfectly! There is so much charm in these formats. I don't get the same feeling listening to an mp3 or streaming a video.

Hahaha, that happens. ;D Good things they're so cheap and you can find them almost anywhere.

Most stereo appliances we had in the 80s are probably gone now. Either they died or became obsolete. This includes a TV set that we got in early 1989 but had to stop using in 2006 because it wasn't compatible with a new VCR that we purchased at the time. So we had to get rid of that tv (donate it somewhere) after 17 years of use.

Also I have a small TV set with a built-in VCR that I received in 2003 as a Christmas present. The TV still works fine, but the VCR quit working in '08 due to overuse.

my cassettes are not in the best condition cause from wear and tear throughout the years.


Hahaha, that happens. ;D Good things they're so cheap and you can find them almost anywhere.

Yep, tape doesn't often last a long time.

Hahaha, that happens. ;D Good things they're so cheap and you can find them almost anywhere.

mine are just sitting in my closet collecting dust.

Most stereo appliances we had in the 80s are probably gone now. Either they died or became obsolete. This includes a TV set that we got in early 1989 but had to stop using in 2006 because it wasn't compatible with a new VCR that we purchased at the time. So we had to get rid of that tv (donate it somewhere) after 17 years of use.

Also I have a small TV set with a built-in VCR that I received in 2003 as a Christmas present. The TV still works fine, but the VCR quit working in '08 due to overuse.


Ha, wow! A VCR not compatible with a older TV? I've never heard of something like that! :o Sucks you had to get rid of the TV, though. I hate having to get rid of old things with a history behind them and I hate when they break, too. Lucky for me, my stuff still works.


Yep, tape doesn't often last a long time.


I've found the chrome and metal tapes last forever but the normal ones deteriorate quite quickly if you don't clean your system often.


mine are just sitting in my closet collecting dust.


I think I use mine almost everyday.

Most tvs were grey during this time or had a silver finish

Most tvs were grey during this time or had a silver finish

yup!!

I've found the chrome and metal tapes last forever but the normal ones deteriorate quite quickly if you don't clean your system often.


And system cleaners are hard to find (at least where I am)...

And system cleaners are hard to find (at least where I am)...


You should check out this site called Bags Unlimited. They sell some cleaning supplies there. I bought from them and I'm satisfied.

Most tvs were grey during this time or had a silver finish


You mean the color?

In 2005, 32% of British households had broadband. In 2006, 44% did. In 2007, 57% did.

In 2013, 88% did.

Huge difference between mid 00s and early 2010s.. for us. We've gone from trailing the US in internet/broadband penetration, to exceeding it very easily. The US has fallen way behind.

http://www.statista.com/graphic/1/461291/broadband-penetration-in-the-united-kingdom-uk.jpg

In 2005, 32% of British households had broadband. In 2006, 44% did. In 2007, 57% did.

In 2013, 88% did.

Huge difference between mid 00s and early 2010s.. for us. We've gone from trailing the US in internet/broadband penetration, to exceeding it very easily. The US has fallen way behind.

http://www.statista.com/graphic/1/461291/broadband-penetration-in-the-united-kingdom-uk.jpg
What happened in 2010?

The first half of 2004 was the Y2K era in my opinion.

The second half was definitely not.

2004 has to be one of the most changeful years; it's like a switch got flipped the moment the second half was reached.

The first half of 2004 was the Y2K era in my opinion.

The second half was definitely not.

2004 has to be one of the most changeful years; it's like a switch got flipped the moment the second half was reached.


Because it's not like the second half of 2008 changed the world. No, let's go and focus more on why Y2K culture was distilled in 2004. *sarcasm*

2004 and 2003 felt the same to me. When you're 8 in 03' and 9 in 04', you don't notice much difference.  ;D

Even though there was a cultural shift in the 2nd half of 2004 when mid 2000's culture was in full effect, late 2003 and 2004 felt the same to me, but early & mid 2003 felt like 2002 to me.

The first half of 2004 was the Y2K era in my opinion.

The second half was definitely not.

2004 has to be one of the most changeful years; it's like a switch got flipped the moment the second half was reached.


The Y2K era was long gone by 2004. The dot-com bubble had bursted years prior, pokemania was well over, teen pop was irrelevant, crunk was at its peak, and myspace was already gaining traction. 2004 is a VERY 00s year to me.

The Y2K era was long gone by 2004. The dot-com bubble had bursted years prior, pokemania was well over, teen pop was irrelevant, crunk was at its peak, and myspace was already gaining traction. 2004 is a VERY 00s year to me.

But when you look at commercials for TV shows on YouTube, it seems the first half was like the Y2K era to me.

But when you look at commercials for TV shows on YouTube, it seems the first half was like the Y2K era to me.


To be honest, 2004 is basically the most defined year in the 2000s. Early 2004 may had some Y2K elements, but it wasn't seen as big as 2000-2003.

I remember that! Even in my 20's, I still watched quite a bit of cartoons like Johnny Bravo and Dexter's Laboratory so I can remember when Cartoon Network started changing up their format and totally removed all their old shows. I didn't even think about that but it all falls into place really well. It's weird how in summer 2004, everything from before was purged and replaced.


The new Cartoon Network era debuted, Was not even that bad, Toonami stopped airing on weekdays which kinda sucked.

CN died in 2006, not 2004, in my opinion (yes I know NY Eagle will disagree with me, I'm fine with that, everyone's entitled to a different opinion). The City era still had many many reruns of the 90s shows. It was after 2006 that you started to see the new stuff moreso.

CN died in 2006, not 2004, in my opinion (yes I know NY Eagle will disagree with me, I'm fine with that, everyone's entitled to a different opinion). The City era still had many many reruns of the 90s shows. It was after 2006 that you started to see the new stuff moreso.


To be fair, Cartoon Network wasn't really that good compared to other kids networks in my time. I know some people like mqg96 would disagree with me, but whatever. In fact, when I started to watch Cartoon Network in 2005, I was more into Boomerang because I didn't care a lot about the original CN shows. I could basically watch more of the 1969 Scooby Doo series, A Pup Named Scooby Doo, Tom and Jerry (along with Tom and Jerry Kids), Baby Looney Tunes, and some of the original Looney Tunes cartoons back then. However, I was into Krypto The Superdog before I became well into CN in late 2006.

To be honest, 2004 is basically the most defined year in the 2000s. Early 2004 may had some Y2K elements, but it wasn't seen as big as 2000-2003.

Yeah 2004, maybe 2005 is the most defining year of the 2000s.

Yeah 2004, maybe 2005 is the most defining year of the 2000s.


2004 and 2005 are the most defining years for the 2000s. I mean, it showed a lot of the decade's culture at the time.

The first half of 2004 was the Y2K era in my opinion.
2004 has to be one of the most changeful years; it's like a switch got flipped the moment the second half was reached.

The Y2K era was done with in 2001... 2004 was solid mid 00s. The first half did kinda feel a little early, but NOT 2000 like...
Hell, 2006 was more changeful than 2004 .... ::) and 2008 was the most changeful year I EVER saw in my lifetime!!!! :D :D :D :o

A 2006 cultural debate is probably coming later today! :o :o :o

A 2006 cultural debate is probably coming later today! :o :o :o


Don't we already have one in the 2000 vs. 2006 thread?

Yeah 2004, maybe 2005 is the most defining year of the 2000s.


I think around 2005-2007 were the quintessential years of the 2000's, at least here in the USA. Most of the fad's I can think of that were popular or most important for 2000's culture were relevant around 2005, 2006, or 2007.

Don't we already have one in the 2000 vs. 2006 thread?

That's not a 2006 cultural debate thread, that's debating which year was better than the other.....

That's not a 2006 cultural debate thread, that's debating which year was better than the other.....


But we debated over how 2000 and 2006 were culturally decent from each other.

To be honest, 2004 is basically the most defined year in the 2000s. Early 2004 may had some Y2K elements, but it wasn't seen as big as 2000-2003.



Yeah 2004, maybe 2005 is the most defining year of the 2000s.


I agree! 2004-05 school year felt like the peak of the entire decade, and also the mathematical centre of the decade. After that we were getting into the more technologically advanced 2000s.

I agree! 2004-05 school year felt like the peak of the entire decade, and also the mathematical centre of the decade. After that we were getting into the more technologically advanced 2000s.


I always thought the 2004-05 and 2005-06 school years felt the most 2000s, in my opinion.

The Y2K era was done with in 2001... 2004 was solid mid 00s. The first half did kinda feel a little early, but NOT 2000 like...

I disagree. If you look at commercials on YouTube from the first half of 2004, the culture  feels quite different from if you look at a commercial from the SECOND half of 2004.

They were still advertising things like Tamagotchi, Backstreet Boys, Wonder ball, etc. in the first half of 2004, which were dead and irrelevant by the second half.

I disagree. If you look at commercials on YouTube from the first half of 2004, the culture  feels quite different from if you look at a commercial from the SECOND half of 2004.

They were still advertising things like Tamagotchi, Backstreet Boys, Wonder ball, etc. in the first half of 2004, which were dead and irrelevant by the second half.


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Yeah, both of them look the same. Even if it came six months apart, they still look the same in 2004.

But we debated over how 2000 and 2006 were culturally decent from each other.

Good lord.... Your not understanding me. That was comparing two years. I'm planning going to discuss 2006 in general.

Good lord.... Your not understanding me. That was comparing two years. I'm planning going to discuss 2006 in general.


Fine. I have no problem with it.

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I disagree. If you look at commercials on YouTube from the first half of 2004, the culture  feels quite different from if you look at a commercial from the SECOND half of 2004.

They were still advertising things like Tamagotchi, Backstreet Boys, Wonder ball, etc. in the first half of 2004, which were dead and irrelevant by the second half.

Who gives a damn about commercials.... ;D  Also teen pop like Backstreet wasn't even relevant in 2004, even the first half. Glam rap and R&B DOINATED the first half of 2004, while crank rap dominated the second half.

I guess if you were a TV watcher, or into the kid culture then yeah; 2004 was quite impactful. But for people not into things it could be different.
It can vary on age, ethnicities, and what you were into. I still think younger generations could see Late 2001-mid 2006( the cultural early-mid 00s) as one big era.

lsoWho gives a damn about commercials.... ;D  Also teen pop like Backstreet wasn't even relevant in 2004, even the first half. Glam rap and R&B DOINATED the first half of 2004, while crank rap dominated the second half.

I guess if you were a TV watcher, or into the kid culture then yeah; 2004 was quite impactful. But for people not into things it could be different.
It can vary on age, ethnicities, and what you were into. I still think younger generations could see Late 2001-mid 2006( the cultural early-mid 00s) as one big era.

I do. ;D I think they can be a good way to determine eras and the flow of pop culture.

I disagree. If you look at commercials on YouTube from the first half of 2004, the culture  feels quite different from if you look at a commercial from the SECOND half of 2004.

They were still advertising things like Tamagotchi, Backstreet Boys, Wonder ball, etc. in the first half of 2004, which were dead and irrelevant by the second half.

There's no way Y2K lasted until 2004. Y2K was about dot com boom and the anxiety over the internet shutting down in 2000 which was only in 99' and 00', but you can say Y2K was from 1999 to 2001. But 2004? That's completely different. If you're talking about early 2000s, that's separate from Y2K.

I do. ;D I think they can be a good way to determine eras and the flow of pop culture.


Even though commercials aren't even worth watching anymore. Aside from that, commercials aren't really that definitive towards the mainstream. Unless you were really into commercials, especially ones from the past, to see what television was like in the time period.

There's no way Y2K lasted until 2004. Y2K was about dot com boom and the anxiety over the internet shutting down in 2000 which was only in 99' and 00', but you can say Y2K was from 1999 to 2001. 2004? That's completely different. If you're talking about early 2000s, that's separate from Y2K.

I wasn't talking about the event Y2K, I was talking about the "Y2K era" (i.e. ~1999-2003/4, the era roughly surrounding the turn of the millennium). Many people use "Y2K era" as a term on this board, but I haven't heard it much anywhere else.

There's no way Y2K lasted until 2004. Y2K was about dot com boom and the anxiety over the internet shutting down in 2000 which was only in 99' and 00', but you can say Y2K was from 1999 to 2001. 2004? That's completely different. If you're talking about early 2000s, that's separate from Y2K.


If we're talking about the Y2K paranoia, then it only happened in the late 90s. After New Year's Day of 2000, everybody survived and they weren't scared of computers taking over the world. But for the Y2K era, it only happened in 1999-mid 2001. Some could argue that 2002-2004 had Y2K elements, but that's the X-treme era that people were talking about.

But for the Y2K era, it only happened in 1999-mid 2001. Some could argue that 2002-2004 had Y2K elements, but that's the X-treme era that people were talking about.

This.

I disagree. If you look at commercials on YouTube from the first half of 2004, the culture  feels quite different from if you look at a commercial from the SECOND half of 2004.

They were still advertising things like Tamagotchi, Backstreet Boys, Wonder ball, etc. in the first half of 2004, which were dead and irrelevant by the second half.


The Backstreet Boys were last in during mid 2001.

If we're talking about the Y2K paranoia, then it only happened in the late 90s. After New Year's Day of 2000, everybody survived and they weren't scared of computers taking over the world. But for the Y2K era, it only happened in 1999-mid 2001. Some could argue that 2002-2004 had Y2K elements, but that's the X-treme era that people were talking about.


No, it isn't. Xtreme took off in 1998 and lasted until 2003. Look at the Tony Hawk Pro Skater games. We had one every year from 1999 to 2002.


There's no way Y2K lasted until 2004. Y2K was about dot com boom and the anxiety over the internet shutting down in 2000 which was only in 99' and 00', but you can say Y2K was from 1999 to 2001. But 2004? That's completely different. If you're talking about early 2000s, that's separate from Y2K.


The early 00s are Janurary '00 to April '03. ;)

The early 00s are Janurary '00 to April '03. ;)

I agree. But the Y2K era lasted until 2001, and that's different.

The Backstreet Boys were last in during mid 2001.

The Backstreet Boys made a comeback in 2005.

No, it isn't. Xtreme took off in 1998 and lasted until 2003. Look at the Tony Hawk Pro Skater games. We had one every year from 1999 to 2002.

Yup, the xtreme era did last until 2003. But it wasn't the most important aspect of the pop culture during that time.

The early 00s are Janurary '00 to April '03. ;)

Chronologically speaking yes. Culturally that's a different story... ;)

Yup, the xtreme era did last until 2003. But it wasn't the most important aspect of the pop culture during that time.

Chronologically speaking yes. Culturally that's a different story... ;)


It's one of the biggest and most important aspects of what the youth of the time were into.

No, what the chronological early 00s were fit in perfectly with everything the early 00s were about.


I agree. But the Y2K era lasted until 2001, and that's different.


Until 2003.

It's one of the biggest and most important aspects of what the youth of the time were into.

Yea, maybe to your demographic or ethnic group but not mine. ;)

No, what the chronological early 00s were fit in perfectly with everything the early 00s were about.


Wtf? The latter part of 2003 was still early 00s though...  Hell even the first half of 2004 still felt early.

It's one of the biggest and most important aspects of what the youth of the time were into.

It was important to young WHITE males like yourself. But that's not just what that era was about... It was also about the hip hop, gangsta culutre as well. Hell in the early 00s Glam Hip Hop and R&B DOMINATED the music charts. Those were actually the most popular genre during that period. Ask any black male your age that. ;) 

Yea, maybe to your demographic or ethnic group but not mine. ;)



It was important to young WHITE males like yourself. But that's not just what that era was about... It was also about the hip hop, gangsta culutre as well. Hell in the early 00s Glam Hip Hop and R&B DOMINATED the music charts. Those were actually the most popular genre during that period. Ask any black male your age that. ;) 


Never mind the fact that I had friends of all different colors who listened to the same music, went to the shows and skated with me. Rock and Hip Hop were both equally popular among people my age whatever color they may be.


Wtf? The latter part of 2003 was still early 00s though...  Hell even the first half of 2004 still felt early.


Wasn't even an important part. 2003 is like the bootleg washed out early 00s and I'm not even going to say anything about 2004.

Wtf? The latter part of 2003 was still early 00s though...  Hell even the first half of 2004 still felt early.


You're one year off. The first half of 2003 felt early 00s and was still the xtreme era but you could feel changed towards the end of the first half. The second half was another universe.

Wtf? The latter part of 2003 was still early 00s though...  Hell even the first half of 2004 still felt early.
I agree with this. 1998-2004 felt very retro-futuristic in my opinion, and metallic colours were in vogue, which gave the era a distinct vibe.

I agree with this. 1998-2004 felt very retro-futuristic in my opinion, and metallic colours were in vogue, which gave the era a distinct vibe.

Thanks bro!

I agree with this. 1998-2004 felt very retro-futuristic in my opinion, and metallic colours were in vogue, which gave the era a distinct vibe.


I'm happy to say I'm within the group minority that felt the old schoolness in 2004.

I'm happy to say I'm within the group minority that felt the old schoolness in 2004.

I think 2004 is old school but it is not the same era as the early 2000s.

Compare the feeling of the commercials here.

This is the first half of 2004, feels pretty x-treme.

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This is the second half of 2004, not x-treme at all.

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See what I mean?

Compare the feeling of the commercials here.

This is the first half of 2004, feels pretty x-treme.

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This is the second half of 2004, not x-treme at all.

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See what I mean?

You can't base everything off commercials.... Come on dude!

You can't base everything off commercials.... Come on dude!


LOL I know right? I was just laughing the whole time.

2004 was definitely not early 2000's. No way. It wasn't like late 2001-2003, but 2004 as a whole year still feels like a long time ago to me though. Unlike 2005-2007 which feels just plain dated to me. I had a blast in 2004, it was one of the most fun years of my life, because I went to Sarasota, FL again and I went to my first plane trip to Jamaica for 4 days. The only time I've been out of the country my whole life. Throughout 2004 I played on my Gamecube and Gameboy Advance a lot. We spent several nights with our cousins throughout that summer. 2004 was a great year for video games, television, and a good year for movies. 2004 was the peak of my childhood and I loved how balanced the pop culture of that year was.

Compare the feeling of the commercials here.

This is the first half of 2004, feels pretty x-treme.

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This is the second half of 2004, not x-treme at all.

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See what I mean?


Is it me, or are you just comparing everything from 2004 so that people would like it? Not everything from late 2001-early 2004 were X-treme, you know.

Early 2004 is in that situation where the early 2000s are clearly dying out, but the mid-2000s were yet to fully get under way. A lot of the defining mid-2000s pop culture items were yet to make their debuts -- GTA: San Andreas, World of Warcraft, iPods for Windows, 7th gen handhelds, Lost, Mean Girls, American Idiot, Confessions, Gwen Stefani etc. made their debuts between March and September 2004.

LOL I know right? I was just laughing the whole time.

But commercials are an important part of the American cultural zeitgeist! 8)

When you watch how commercials change, you can see the pop culture slowly change with them.

But commercials are an important part of the American cultural zeitgeist! 8)

When you watch how commercials change, you can see the pop culture slowly change with them.


Commercials can be important, but there's a lot more to the pop culture too, like mainstream music, movies, sports, politics, etc.

But commercials are an important part of the American cultural zeitgeist! 8)

When you watch how commercials change, you can see the pop culture slowly change with them.


Commercials don't really change that much in pop culture. Sure, they happen to change whenever they see the new trends, hence why everything happens to be social media related. However, those commercials you showed us weren't really that different. 2004 really had the same commercials, whether it's from January to December. Even if I'm somehow nostalgic for late 2004, it didn't really felt different from early 2004.

Early 2004 is in that situation where the early 2000s are clearly dying out, but the mid-2000s were yet to fully get under way. A lot of the defining mid-2000s pop culture items were yet to make their debuts -- GTA: San Andreas, World of Warcraft, iPods for Windows, 7th gen handhelds, Lost, Mean Girls, American Idiot, Confessions, Gwen Stefani etc. made their debuts between March and September 2004.


I agree with all of that. There are other things that make 2004 as a whole stand out a bit from the rest of the mid '00s technologically, too. MySpace really began to take off in 2005, and YouTube started exploding later that year as well, which makes 2004 seem, in retrospect, like the last full year of the Web 1.0 era. 2004 was also the last year that more people used dial-up internet than broadband, which adds to that theory. Anecdotally, 2004 was the last year that I saw a considerably larger number of kids walking around with CD players instead of MP3 players. 2005 was the first year that I began to see MP3 players as something more than just a novelty item.

Having said all that, 2004 is obviously a firm mid '00s year, but there are enough differences from 2005 and 2006 to make it stand out.

Early 2004 is in that situation where the early 2000s are clearly dying out, but the mid-2000s were yet to fully get under way. A lot of the defining mid-2000s pop culture items were yet to make their debuts -- GTA: San Andreas, World of Warcraft, iPods for Windows, 7th gen handhelds, Lost, Mean Girls, American Idiot, Confessions, Gwen Stefani etc. made their debuts between March and September 2004.

All of 2004 is clearly mid 2000s imo. It's funny how some people say late 2012 is mid 10s yet they say all the way up to 2004 is early 2000s.

I agree with all of that. There are other things that make 2004 as a whole stand out a bit from the rest of the mid '00s technologically, too. MySpace really began to take off in 2005, and YouTube started exploding later that year as well, which makes 2004 seem, in retrospect, like the last full year of the Web 1.0 era. 2004 was also the last year that more people used dial-up internet than broadband, which adds to that theory. Anecdotally, 2004 was the last year that I saw a considerably larger number of kids walking around with CD players instead of MP3 players. 2005 was the first year that I began to see MP3 players as something more than just a novelty item.

Having said all that, 2004 is obviously a firm mid '00s year, but there are enough differences from 2005 and 2006 to make it stand out.

MySpace started its popularity in 2004 though.

I agree with all of that. There are other things that make 2004 as a whole stand out a bit from the rest of the mid '00s technologically, too. MySpace really began to take off in 2005, and YouTube started exploding later that year as well, which makes 2004 seem, in retrospect, like the last full year of the Web 1.0 era. 2004 was also the last year that more people used dial-up internet than broadband, which adds to that theory. Anecdotally, 2004 was the last year that I saw a considerably larger number of kids walking around with CD players instead of MP3 players. 2005 was the first year that I began to see MP3 players as something more than just a novelty item.

Having said all that, 2004 is obviously a firm mid '00s year, but there are enough differences from 2005 and 2006 to make it stand out.


Yep, agreed on all counts! My brother got an iPod in late 2004 and he was one of the first, so yeah it was pretty rare back then. By (late) 2005 though, everyone had to have one. You were uncool and weird if you didn't.



All of 2004 is clearly mid 2000s imo. It's funny how some people say late 2012 is mid 10s yet they say all the way up to 2004 is early 2000s.


I agree that it's mid-2000s, but it was still transitioning. It's not like a flip switches and everything became mid-2000s lol. 1993 is the first mid-90s year, 2004 is the first mid-2000s year, 2013 is the first mid-10s year. It's not wildly inconsistent. I'd say there were strong early '10s elements hanging around until summer of '14 honestly. Even today there are bits and pieces of the early '10s hanging around, we're not too far removed from that era.

I agree that it's mid-2000s, but it was still transitioning. It's not like a flip switches and everything became mid-2000s lol. 1993 is the first mid-90s year, 2004 is the first mid-2000s year, 2013 is the first mid-10s year. It's not wildly inconsistent. I'd say there were strong early '10s elements hanging around until summer of '14 honestly. Even today there are bits and pieces of the early '10s hanging around, we're not too far removed from that era.


Even those years are fairly up in the air as starting points for their respective eras, due to their transitional nature. 1993 is more early 90s, in my opinion, especially for the first two thirds in particular; I can understand categorizing the last third with the mid-90s because of all the new shows premiering that TV season and music's evolution at the time, but still there were a lot of early 90s elements that were still prominent. I've heard plenty of people refer to that year as either mid or early 90s, without any full consensus.

As for 2004, I'd say it's easily mid-2000s, but even then, you can trace it somewhat to earlier years, especially since Friends and Frasier were still on television during the first several months and hardly anybody owned an iPod or had a MySpace account during the first half of the year. The mid-2000s were not a very consistent period and can't be generalized.

As for 2004, I'd say it's easily mid-2000s, but even then, you can trace it somewhat to earlier years, especially since Friends and Frasier were still on television during the first several months and hardly anybody owned an iPod or had a MySpace account during the first half of the year. The mid-2000s were not a very consistent period and can't be generalized.


Yeah, as an 8 year old kid. 2004 made me witness the end of a lot of stuff I did on a consistent basis when I was 6 & 7, but at the same time marked the beginning of a lot of new things I started doing that either started in 2004 or late 2003. So while 2004 was the absolute peak year of my childhood, it was the most balanced blend year of my childhood as well. A perfect mixture of early 2000's culture exiting out and witnessing the good core 2000's culture brand new.

I think 2003 and 2004 are both mid 00s years.

I think 2003 and 2004 are both mid 00s years.


I don't really think the entire year of 2003 were related to the mid 2000s. Maybe late 2003, but not that much.

I don't really think the entire year of 2003 were related to the mid 2000s. Maybe late 2003, but not that much.

This.

Is it me, or are you just comparing everything from 2004 so that people would like it? Not everything from late 2001-early 2004 were X-treme, you know.

I Agree 100% NY. There was more than just xtreme  that defined the era. It was also, post 9/11 patriotism, 6th gen gaming, beginning of reality tv boom, glam rap culture, etc.


One silly trend doesn't define an era. ;D

I wasn't saying the commercials were the ONLY representation of the change from early 2004 to late 2004, just one of them.

Also: Eric, I disagree you when you said that people will remember late 2001-mid 2006 as one giant era in the future. I think most people consider that "special era" to be more like late 2001-mid 2004. I mean, if you go on Facebook or Tumblr, many of the comments say "The 90s ended in 2004" (sometimes 2005), not "the 90s ended in 2006".

2006 was just too different from the 2001-2003 era, even early and mid 2006.

I still think early 06 should be included as well. The cultural early-mid 00s; late 2001 until mid 2006

And of course 2006 was different from the early 00s. But the first half of 2006 was just like late 2004 and 2005.....

I still think early 06 should be included as well. The cultural early-mid 00s; late 2001 until mid 2006

And of course 2006 was different from the early 00s. But the first half of 2006 was just like late 2004 and 2005.....

Yeah, I can agree with that.

Yeah, I can agree with that.

Here is where things get awkward tho..... The mid 2000s felt like the most inconsistent time ever. The 2004-05 season still felt classic while the 2005-06 felt like the regular late 00s(late 2006-mid 2008)were being ushered in.

The 00s were one of the most inconsistent decades it seems.

The 2010s have been pretty consistent to me, but maybe in 2026 I won't be saying that. Takes a while to put the changes in perspective. Heck, if you look at old posts on this site, they claim 2006 (the current year at the time of those posts) feels no different from 2000! I don't think anyone would say that today.

There were also posts saying "1995 feels no different from 2005", "The 90s had no identity", "The 90s will never be nostalgic", etc... and look where we are now!

The 00s were one of the most inconsistent decades it seems.

The 2010s have been pretty consistent to me, but maybe in 2026 I won't be saying that. Takes a while to put the changes in perspective. Heck, if you look at old posts on this site, they claim 2006 (the current year at the time of those posts) feels no different from 2000! I don't think anyone would say that today.

There were also posts saying "1995 feels no different from 2005", "The 90s had no identity", "The 90s will never be nostalgic", etc... and look where we are now!



Here is where things get awkward tho..... The mid 2000s felt like the most inconsistent time ever. The 2004-05 season still felt classic while the 2005-06 felt like the regular late 00s(late 2006-mid 2008)were being ushered in.


I think the 2000s has to deal with experience. Whether it came from an 80s, 90s, or 2000s kid. Even though were talking about perspectives from 10 year old posts, it doesn't really matter to anyone that much. I for one, think that the 2000s had some kind of a cultural identity. For instance, the decade could be defined with 9/11, the proliferation of the Internet, George W. Bush's presidency, shows like The Sopranos and 24, the rise of reality TV, and many other things. Just because one portion of the decade felt inconsistent, that doesn't mean it has no cultural identity.

We also have a personal bias towards decades that we don't pay attention towards, like the 2010s. I honestly think that it's like late 2009, but with more tablets/smartphones, and hip hop music. That's what it feels like to me, even though technology advanced more throughout the six and a half years we've been into this decade.

I think the 2000s has to deal with experience. Whether it came from an 80s, 90s, or 2000s kid. Even though were talking about perspectives from 10 year old posts, it doesn't really matter to anyone that much. I for one, think that the 2000s had some kind of a cultural identity. For instance, the decade could be defined with 9/11, the proliferation of the Internet, George W. Bush's presidency, shows like The Sopranos and 24, the rise of reality TV, and many other things. Just because one portion of the decade felt inconsistent, that doesn't mean it has no cultural identity.

We also have a personal bias towards decades that we don't pay attention towards, like the 2010s. I honestly think that it's like late 2009, but with more tablets/smartphones, and hip hop music. That's what it feels like to me, even though technology advanced more throughout the six and a half years we've been into this decade.

The 2010s have been very consistant since late 2008. Of course there were some changes but for the most part, this decade felt like it had one consistent identity, kind of like the 80s. I have a feeling the late portion of this decade will also be like that. Then the huge change will happen once the 20s hit.

The 2010s have been very consistant since late 2008. Of course there were some changes but for the most part, this decade felt like it had one consistent identity, kind of like the 80s. I have a feeling the late portion of this decade will also be like that. Then the huge change will happen once the 20s hit.


I could understand that it felt consistent like that culturally, but not chronologically. Most decades wouldn't really start with the very late portion of the previous decade, since it doesn't make a lot of sense with people.

I could understand that it felt consistent like that culturally, but not chronologically. Most decades wouldn't really start with the very late portion of the previous decade, since it doesn't make a lot of sense with people.


Then again, a lot of people mark 1945 or 1946 as the cultural start of the 50s...Personally, I'd contest that, but the late 40s sure we're a hell of a lot different from the WWII-era 40s.

Then again, a lot of people mark 1945 or 1946 as the cultural start of the 50s...Personally, I'd contest that, but the late 40s sure we're a hell of a lot different from the WWII-era 40s.

Yep. older people usually call 1946/1947ish until 1963 the culturally 50s.

Then again, a lot of people mark 1945 or 1946 as the cultural start of the 50s...Personally, I'd contest that, but the late 40s sure we're a hell of a lot different from the WWII-era 40s.


Well, anything after September 2, 1945 (the official end of World War II) seemed different in the 40s compared to September 1, 1939 to September 1, 1945.

Well, anything after September 2, 1945 (the official end of World War II) seemed different in the 40s compared to September 1, 1939 to September 1, 1945.


Personally, I think it's easier to just split the post-war period into two eras, the first spanning from the very end of World War II through the first half of the 1950s, and the second beginning in 1955 and ending in 1963. The former was the era of McCarthyism, the initial rise of television, the Stalin/Truman/Attlee/Churchill-era Cold War, the golden age of crooners, the G.I. Bill, Hank Williams, and straight-up social conservatism. The latter era was the age of beatniks, greasers, Elvis, 12-bar blues rock & roll, doo-wop, James Dean's martyrdom, Leave It to Beaver, and the beginning of the space race. As far as decade boundaries go, it's easiest to just call January 1, 1950 the start of the 50s because not much changed between the late 40s and the early-mid-50s. Frankly, I think the reason so many people lump the late 40s and early 50s with the subsequent years stretching through the early 60s is because the former period was a lot more culturally forgettable, except for the foundations of things that were still significant during the beatnik era.

Is it just me or did anyone feel in the second half of 2004 its just screamed  "THE CULTURE IS HERE". Things
like Myspace debuting,Laguna Beach,Nintendo Ds, Emo fad (lasted like 4 years)

Anyone else feel the same way?


I have to agree with this, I feel the same way.



Let's see...on a more personal, during the second half of 2004 I had turned 24 and it was a rough, hard, difficult time in my life at first. I had just recovered from some kind of breakdown I had gone through after watching a really, really horrible movie at the time. I spent the beginning and middle of 2004 bedridden, did not go out, did not socialize...I was pretty much very confined to my bed :\'(
Then Around September, I was beginning to get better and recover, thank God! My parents gave me a Playstation 2 along with some games. First game I played on it was Lara Croft: Tom Raider Angel of darkness. It was sooo therapeutic! Helped me to forget I even went through a breakdown. So then it was just me, God, my games, and my music. Thankfully by December 2004 I made a full recovery! :)

Sum 41 in 2001:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Aaq7yXXgDBY/TWTY0TLwPnI/AAAAAAAAAAk/dleJrB_Uc4A/s1600/Sum41.jpg

Sum 41 in 2004:

http://www3.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/2004+Spike+TV+Video+Game+Awards+Arrivals+dnvu-DCUMMil.jpg

It's clear to me what 2004 really was all about.

Let's compare two of the commercials I linked (no, I'm not gonna say commercials represented the shift 100%, but they were part of it).

This commercial aired in early 2004, it's x-treme to the max.
http://i.imgur.com/MpzFIyI.png

This one aired in late 2004, it's not x-treme in the slightest.
http://i.imgur.com/HcjftA9.png

I imagine if they kept around characters like the Dell Dude into 2004 (more specifically, post-June 2004), they would've "de-xtremeified" him. 8)

Let's compare two of the commercials I linked (no, I'm not gonna say commercials represented the shift 100%, but they were part of it).

This commercial aired in early 2004, it's x-treme to the max.
http://i.imgur.com/MpzFIyI.png

This one aired in late 2004, it's not x-treme in the slightest.
http://i.imgur.com/HcjftA9.png

I imagine if they kept around characters like the Dell Dude into 2004 (more specifically, post-June 2004), they would've "de-xtremeified" him. 8)


They probably would of given him the scene kid haircut if he remained into 2004.

Sum 41 in 2001:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Aaq7yXXgDBY/TWTY0TLwPnI/AAAAAAAAAAk/dleJrB_Uc4A/s1600/Sum41.jpg

Sum 41 in 2004:

http://www3.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/2004+Spike+TV+Video+Game+Awards+Arrivals+dnvu-DCUMMil.jpg

It's clear to me what 2004 really was all about.


SHOT!

Sum 41 in 2001:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Aaq7yXXgDBY/TWTY0TLwPnI/AAAAAAAAAAk/dleJrB_Uc4A/s1600/Sum41.jpg

Sum 41 in 2004:

http://www3.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/2004+Spike+TV+Video+Game+Awards+Arrivals+dnvu-DCUMMil.jpg

It's clear to me what 2004 really was all about.


I realized later that Steve actually has spiked hair under that hat. I also like Jason's fashion sense in that picture. It reminds met of how I dressed in 2007/2008 lol.

I realized later that Steve actually has spiked hair under that hat. I also like Jason's fashion sense in that picture. It reminds met of how I dressed in 2007/2008 lol.


Yeah, but it's that messy spiky hair of the real 00's. In 2004 people forgot how to gel their hair with style. 8) I like Cone's fashion sense in the first picture, it reminds me of how I've been dressing for the last 21 years. :P

Yeah, but it's that messy spiky hair of the real 00's. In 2004 people forgot how to gel their hair with style. 8) I like Cone's fashion sense in the first picture, it reminds me of how I've been dressing for the last 21 years. :P


I just realized his hair style is actually identical in the two pictures. It's just that he dyed his hair black.

I just realized his hair style is actually identical in the two pictures. It's just that he dyed his hair black.


You, my friend, are blind. His hair is completely different in the first photo. It's more styled in an Xtreme manner. 8) The second photo, he styled his hair for his MySpace profile picture. 8-P

They probably would of given him the scene kid haircut if he remained into 2004.

A lot of other cool characters probably got butchered during summer 2004, but I can't think of more right now.

A lot of other cool characters probably got butchered during summer 2004, but I can't think of more right now.


If Seinfeld lasted until 2007, George Costanza would of probably grown out a scene kid haircut, too.

You, my friend, are blind. His hair is completely different in the first photo. It's more styled in an Xtreme manner. 8) The second photo, he styled his hair for his MySpace profile picture. 8-P


It's the exact same hair. Proof that the early 2000s didn't end until 2007.

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/1a/22/a0/1a22a095bb47568e3a8e73200aecc11d.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/OklaQHn.png

It's the exact same hair. Proof that the early 2000s didn't end until 2007.

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/1a/22/a0/1a22a095bb47568e3a8e73200aecc11d.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/OklaQHn.png

The early 2000s ended in 2007? Wow, that's a first... And I thought those who said it ended in 2004 were bad. ;D

It's the exact same hair. Proof that the early 2000s didn't end until 2007.

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/1a/22/a0/1a22a095bb47568e3a8e73200aecc11d.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/OklaQHn.png


The second photo has healthy doses peroxide but the first photo does not. I bet you that if Full House lasted until 2007, Danny Tanner would of probably grown out a scene kid haircut. 

SHOT!


Nice! ;D

A lot of other cool characters probably got butchered during summer 2004, but I can't think of more right now.

Kids culture was behind the times by a year. Xtreme was last in early 2003.

The early 2000s ended in 2007? Wow, that's a first... And I thought those who said it ended in 2004 were bad. ;D

But they did if you ask me. Summerish 2004, to be exact.

Kids culture was behind the times by a year. Xtreme was last in early 2003.


Even early 2000s kid culture suffered major blows in the summer of '03, with Dragon Ball Z going off the air and the end of the Johto League in Pokémon, and the release of Pokémon Ruby/Sapphire. I like to say it ended in late 2003 nonetheless, because we still got movies like Freaky Friday, School of Rock, Cheaper By The Dozen etc. which have a distinct early 2000s feel to them.

Even early 2000s kid culture suffered major blows in the summer of '03, with Dragon Ball Z going off the air and the end of the Johto League in Pokémon, and the release of Pokémon Ruby/Sapphire. I like to say it ended in late 2003 nonetheless, because we still got movies like Freaky Friday, School of Rock, Cheaper By The Dozen etc. which have a distinct early 2000s feel to them.


I loved Pokemon Ruby and Sapphire, though! Granted, I can understand the backlash against their anime counterpart, but the games were a ton of fun back then (and still are, frankly), even if you could no longer catch 'em all. It was still one of the most beautiful and immersive set of Pokemon games and introduced a lot of excellent new creatures to the series.

If Seinfeld lasted until 2007, George Costanza would of probably grown out a scene kid haircut, too.


But George is bald.

I loved Pokemon Ruby and Sapphire, though! Granted, I can understand the backlash against their anime counterpart, but the games were a ton of fun back then (and still are, frankly), even if you could no longer catch 'em all. It was still one of the most beautiful and immersive set of Pokemon games and introduced a lot of excellent new creatures to the series.


Looking back retrospectively, I didn't really give the game a fair chance. My main gripes with the game were the double battles, the lack of day and night, the map, and as you said, the lack of regular occurrence of 1st/2nd gen Pokemon, as well as being unable to fight the 1st/2nd Gen gym battles after you had beat the Elite 4 like you could in Gold/Silver. I realize the main source of dislike I have for the game isn't because the game is bad itself, but rather it was very disappointing to me coming off from Pokémon Red and Pokémon Gold at the time.

Other complains not related to the game itself, I couldn't be bothered to learn the new Pokémon, which was a first for me. Another gripe I had with it is that it didn't come with an accompanying Pokémon Stadium game. We got Pokémon Colosseum, but if you uploaded your Pokémon to there, they would appear as "Shadow Pokémon" that you wouldn't be able to control, which was really annoying, that's ignoring that Pokémon Colosseum was a terrible game to begin with, but the awful tie in adds insult to the injury. ;D

Even early 2000s kid culture suffered major blows in the summer of '03, with Dragon Ball Z going off the air and the end of the Johto League in Pokémon, and the release of Pokémon Ruby/Sapphire. I like to say it ended in late 2003 nonetheless, because we still got movies like Freaky Friday, School of Rock, Cheaper By The Dozen etc. which have a distinct early 2000s feel to them.


fall 2003 through early 2004 was the transition from early 2000's culture to mid 2000's culture IMO. Summer 2003 early 2000's culture still peaked for me just like 2002, but I can see the earliest early 2000's culture taking major blows as early as spring 2003 actually. I don't know about your country, but here in the U.S. the Master Quest season of Pokemon was the last classic one, which ended in November 2003. As for Dragon Ball Z, yeah it did end in 2003, but as a kid I didn't care about the episodes in order. I just remember seeing DBZ on CN in 2002, 2003, and 2005. Throughout 2004 it was DBGT being shown regularly.

When it comes to early 2000's culture, there's no doubt that 2002 was the ultimate year. Everything that defined the early 2000's was relevant throughout the entire year of 2002. Early 2001 still had a lot of late 90's culture leftover while late 2003 had a lot of mid 2000's culture coming in. I also remember that Freaky Friday movie being advertised a lot throughout that summer.

fall 2003 through early 2004 was the transition from early 2000's culture to mid 2000's culture IMO. Summer 2003 early 2000's culture still peaked for me just like 2002, but I can see the earliest early 2000's culture taking major blows as early as spring 2003 actually. I don't know about your country, but here in the U.S. the Master Quest season of Pokemon was the last classic one, which ended in November 2003. As for Dragon Ball Z, yeah it did end in 2003, but as a kid I didn't care about the episodes in order. I just remember seeing DBZ on CN in 2002, 2003, and 2005. Throughout 2004 it was DBGT being shown regularly.

When it comes to early 2000's culture, there's no doubt that 2002 was the ultimate year. Everything that defined the early 2000's was relevant throughout the entire year of 2002. Early 2001 still had a lot of late 90's culture leftover while late 2003 had a lot of mid 2000's culture coming in. I also remember that Freaky Friday movie being advertised a lot throughout that summer.


Oh, that's true about Pokemon Johto airing until Fall 2003.

The episode order of DBZ was the best part! How could you forget the iconic On the next episode of Dragon Ball Z...  ;D

Oh, that's true about Pokemon Johto airing until Fall 2003.

I distinctly remember the first teo episodes of Pokemon Advanced airing on the same day that Ruby and Sapphire were released in the United States, only for late Johto episodes to be promoted as "new" immediately afterwards. I suppose this happened because the gap between R&S's Western release and its original Japanese release was merely 5 months, as opposed to the near-year-long wait for Gold & Silver, so the anime was pretty much bound to fall behind by at least a few months.

Oh, that's true about Pokemon Johto airing until Fall 2003.

The episode order of DBZ was the best part! How could you forget the iconic On the next episode of Dragon Ball Z...  ;D


Because throughout elementary school I wasn't allowed to watch non-educational kid shows on weekdays unless we were on break. My parents were very strict on my work and wanted me to get good rest. Only Fridays, Saturdays, and some Sundays depending on what was going on I could watch kid stations like CN, Nick, or Disney.

I distinctly remember the first teo episodes of Pokemon Advanced airing on the same day that Ruby and Sapphire were released in the United States, only for late Johto episodes to be promoted as "new" immediately afterwards. I suppose this happened because the gap between R&S's Western release and its original Japanese release was merely 5 months, as opposed to the near-year-long wait for Gold & Silver, so the anime was pretty much bound to fall behind by at least a few months.


Really? I thought Rubby and Sapphire came out in March 2003 but Pokemon Advanced premiered in November 2003?

I distinctly remember the first teo episodes of Pokemon Advanced airing on the same day that Ruby and Sapphire were released in the United States, only for late Johto episodes to be promoted as "new" immediately afterwards. I suppose this happened because the gap between R&S's Western release and its original Japanese release was merely 5 months, as opposed to the near-year-long wait for Gold & Silver, so the anime was pretty much bound to fall behind by at least a few months.


Yeah, I'm getting confused by the episode dates online. First, they show that only one new episode of Pokemon aired every week, while I know for a fact it was a Monday to Thursday show. Secondly, I don't remember watching Pokémon in 2003-04 school year, yet the episode guide has Pokémon Johto's final episodes airing in October.  :o

Yeah, I'm getting confused by the episode dates online. First, they show that only one new episode of Pokemon aired every week, while I know for a fact it was a Monday to Thursday show. Secondly, I don't remember watching Pokémon in 2003-04 school year, yet the episode guide has Pokémon Johto's final episodes airing in October.  :o

U.S. airdates are different from Canadian airdates

U.S. airdates are different from Canadian airdates


Wait, so you guys only got one episode of Pokémon a week?

Really? I thought Rubby and Sapphire came out in March 2003 but Pokemon Advanced premiered in November 2003?


Officially, it did, but the first two episodes of Pokemon Advanced were aired earlier, on March 25, 2003, in order to promote the games. On Wikipedia, it says those episodes premiered in early November, but there's a footnote that mentions the March "sneak peek." I'm sure at that point, people were already panicking, asking questions like, "what the hell happened to Misty?" and, "why are Ash's clothes different?"

They probably would of given him the scene kid haircut if he remained into 2004.

I have to admit though, in the case of Sonny, he had been an x-treme skater for 9 years. 9 years, that's almost a decade! So I can kinda understand the need to shake things up and make him more like an... er, drug addict without clothes for some reason (even if I didn't like the change).

Unlike other pop culture things in the early 2000s, which only lasted about 2-3 years tops, and then were abruptly changed.

For instance, if they kept the Dell Dude around after 2003, but waited until 2010 to change him (10 years after his introduction), that would be kinda understandable (though I wouldn't have liked it). But if they kept him around after 2003, but changed him the exact moment we hit 2004, that would've been very frustrating.


If Seinfeld lasted until 2007, George Costanza would of probably grown out a scene kid haircut, too.

I dunno about that. One show that stayed consistent throughout the 00s was, as you mentioned, Malcolm in the Middle; even throughout the 2004-2006 seasons, it never lost the Y2K sheen, whatnot with the characters' spiked hair and the very dated-looking electronics.

Because throughout elementary school I wasn't allowed to watch non-educational kid shows on weekdays unless we were on break. My parents were very strict on my work and wanted me to get good rest. Only Fridays, Saturdays, and some Sundays depending on what was going on I could watch kid stations like CN, Nick, or Disney.

Man that must have sucked! :o During weekdays, My parents let me watched anything I wanted, well kid related.  ;) ;D
If it was a little mature or if it was an adult tv show then they watched with me.  ;)

Yeah, as an 8 year old kid. 2004 made me witness the end of a lot of stuff I did on a consistent basis when I was 6 & 7, but at the same time marked the beginning of a lot of new things I started doing that either started in 2004 or late 2003. So while 2004 was the absolute peak year of my childhood, it was the most balanced blend year of my childhood as well. A perfect mixture of early 2000's culture exiting out and witnessing the good core 2000's culture brand new.

I feel the exact same way about 2003. :D :)

As for Dragon Ball Z, yeah it did end in 2003, but as a kid I didn't care about the episodes in order. I just remember seeing DBZ on CN in 2002, 2003, and 2005. Throughout 2004 it was DBGT being shown regularly.



Toonami was still showing reruns of frieza and android saga in the first half of 2004.
DBGT's main run on Toonami was very late 2003-mid 2005.

But George is bald.


So? Does one's hairstyle prevent them from having a hairstyle? Why do you discriminate against people with other hairstyles, Howard! >:(


I have to admit though, in the case of Sonny, he had been an x-treme skater for 9 years. 9 years, that's almost a decade! So I can kinda understand the need to shake things up and make him more like an... er, drug addict without clothes for some reason (even if I didn't like the change).

Unlike other pop culture things in the early 2000s, which only lasted about 2-3 years tops, and then were abruptly changed.

For instance, if they kept the Dell Dude around after 2003, but waited until 2010 to change him (10 years after his introduction), that would be kinda understandable (though I wouldn't have liked it). But if they kept him around after 2003, but changed him the exact moment we hit 2004, that would've been very frustrating.
I dunno about that. One show that stayed consistent throughout the 00s was, as you mentioned, Malcolm in the Middle; even throughout the 2004-2006 seasons, it never lost the Y2K sheen, whatnot with the characters' spiked hair and the very dated-looking electronics.



Yeah, man. Everything just got super lame around 2003/2004. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if they changed him around '04 but getting rid of him seems more probable drug-related or not. Malcolm in the Middle was one of the only few shows that I could watch and still find consistently good but, in the case of Seinfeild, George Costanza was a very hip up-to-date guy. I wouldn't be surprised if he showed up on set one day with a scene kid haircut and some My Chemical Romance tunes on his iPod.

By the way, rad profile picture. ;)

So? Does one's hairstyle prevent them from having a hairstyle? Why do you discriminate against people with other hairstyles, Howard! >:(

Yeah, man. Everything just got super lame around 2003/2004. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if they changed him around '04 but getting rid of him seems more probable drug-related or not. Malcolm in the Middle was one of the only few shows that I could watch and still find consistently good but, in the case of Seinfeld, George Costanza was a very hip up-to-date guy. I wouldn't be surprised if he showed up on set one day with a scene kid haircut and some My Chemical Romance tunes on his iPod.

By the way, rad profile picture. ;)


Sorry I was just expressing my opinion. :P

Wait, so you guys only got one episode of Pokémon a week?

I ain't telling you which country I'm from! I want to preserve my sense of mystery. ;D

For all you could know I could be British, as seen by my spelling of "favourite". But then again, I could also be an American with British spellcheck on by mistake. You will never know!

I ain't telling you which country I'm from! I want to preserve my sense of mystery. ;D

For all you could know I could be British, as seen by my spelling of "favourite". But then again, I could also be an American with British spellcheck on by mistake. You will never know!


Zelek is from North Korea.

Sorry I was just expressing my opinion. :P


That's fine but I ask you to next time consider George Costanza's feelings. If he wants to grow out a scene kid haircut, let him. Baldness won't prevent him from getting some sweet layers.

Zelek is from North Korea.

No, i'm from Tokelau. ;D

No, i'm from Tokelau. ;D


Woah, really?

No :P

Isn't Zelek a Slavic name?

It's the name of a villain from the very obscure Amiga game Shadow of the beast. :P

It's the name of a villain from the very obscure Amiga game Shadow of the beast. :P


Never heard of it but I bet it's not as good as The Town with No Name.

(btw, Zelek isn't your real name? ???)

(btw, Zelek isn't your real name? ???)

No it isn't. My real name is Max (you can trust me on this one ;D)

No it isn't. My real name is Max (you can trust me on this one ;D)


Max? Ah man, this changes everything! :o What do I call you now? Zelek or Max? ???

I ain't telling you which country I'm from! I want to preserve my sense of mystery. ;D

For all you could know I could be British, as seen by my spelling of "favourite". But then again, I could also be an American with British spellcheck on by mistake. You will never know!


You used the word "ain't". That narrows you down to North America, and I know you're not Canadian, so...  :P

You used the word "ain't". That narrows you down to North America, and I know you're not Canadian, so...  :P


Eh. People in Europe kinda use the word "ain't", even though it's not used normally there.

Eh. People in Europe kinda use the word "ain't", even though it's not used normally there.


Naw, I have friends from the UK who cringe when I use that word.

Naw, I have friends from the UK who cringe when I use that word.


Yeah, maybe it's just me, but a lot of folks with British accents seem to be very picky about your manners and cleanliness. Particular about everything lol.

Naw, I have friends from the UK who cringe when I use that word.


Well, it's used all around the southern United States, so it's American centric.

That's fine but I ask you to next time consider George Costanza's feelings. If he wants to grow out a scene kid haircut, let him. Baldness won't prevent him from getting some sweet layers.


There was an episode from Seinfeld where he was trying to re-grow his hair.

No, i'm from Tokelau. ;D


Where's that?

Yeah, maybe it's just me, but a lot of folks with British accents seem to be very picky about your manners and cleanliness. Particular about everything lol.


That would be the French lol.

It's the name of a villain from the very obscure Amiga game Shadow of the beast. :P


Wow, another Amiga fan! And here I thought I was the only one around. 8)

Believe it or not, my cousin actually had Shadow of the Beast II on floppy back in the day. I've never played the original, though.

There was an episode from Seinfeld where he was trying to re-grow his hair.


Doesn't George have some hair in Seinfeld?

Doesn't George have some hair in Seinfeld?


lol

lol


As in, he had hair on his sides.

As in, he had hair on his sides.


Yeah, but he's not growing scene hair with that  :P Men almost never bald on the sides.

Yeah, but he's not growing scene hair with that  :P Men almost never bald on the sides.


But it's not like he's completely bald.

But it's not like he's completely bald.


People don't bald on the sides, Constanza is just too lazy to shave it off.

Doesn't George have some hair in Seinfeld?


It was an episode on Seinfeld where George was trying to re-grow some hair from The Hair Restoration Clinic in China.

You guys clearly have something against bald people. Do you think being bald will stop a man from growing a hairstyle? I think not!

You guys clearly have something against bald people. Do you think being bald will stop a man from growing a hairstyle? I think not!


I have nothing against bald people.