or does it end at 2001?

It either ends when 9/11 happened or by the end of 2003. No way around it. I understand 2003 was a transitional year between the millennial era and core 2000's, but I'm just one of the folks who believes that 2002 & 2003 wasn't that much different pop culturally in terms of what was still relevant. Probably because I was a kid and viewed things differently. If you were a teen or young adult who focused on music or fashion I could understand why you believe 2003 was completely different than 2002.

Definitely did not end in 2001. No way! I just can't see 2001 being the end of the Y2K era and anyone who says it is doesn't know what they're talking about. 2002 was definitely a part of it. Even in hindsight when I look back at 2002, it feels like a full-fledged part of the Y2K era. 2003 is iffy. I don't think 2003 was a lot like 2000, 2001 or 2002 a side from a couple of ongoing trends. It had a lot in common with those years and it's still pretty early 2000's but it's more of a transition period that led on to what would become the core 2000's trends.

If the Y2K era is synonymous with the late 90s, then absolutely not.  Even much of 2000 was heading out of the period, despite most definitive culture still in its peak.  Things like the premiere of Malcolm in the Middle and Survivor, release of PS2, popularization of the Neptunes, the Dot Com Bubble bursting, Eminem being the biggest rapper in the world, and the notorious 2000 American Presidential Election were clear signs that the early 2000s were quickly establishing themselves and that the 90s were dying.  Y2K itself was over, too.  Once 2001 came, things that defined the core Y2K period like millennial teen pop, 5th generation video games, and Limp Bizkit began to fade from popularity.  I really don't see how the age of post-9/11 patriotism, Yu-Gi-Oh!, GameCube, Original XBOX, Jimmy Eat World, the Lord of the Rings Trilogy, and Lizzie McGuire is just an extension of the late 90s, even with some 90s culture hanging on in some form.

The Y2K-era is not exactly the same thing as the early 2000s.  I would say the Y2K era ended when Bush was inaugurated in January 2001.  You could say it lasted until 9/11 at the very latest, but the Y2K culture (Clinton, dot-com bubble, boy bands, Britney Spears, prosperous economy, Pokemania, etc) died pretty quickly after Bush's inauguration.

Definitely did not end in 2001. No way! I just can't see 2001 being the end of the Y2K era and anyone who says it is doesn't know what they're talking about. 2002 was definitely a part of it. Even in hindsight when I look back at 2002, it feels like a full-fledged part of the Y2K era. 2003 is iffy. I don't think 2003 was a lot like 2000, 2001 or 2002 a side from a couple of ongoing trends. It had a lot in common with those years and it's still pretty early 2000's but it's more of a transition period that led on to what would become the core 2000's trends.


You are confusing the Y2K era with the early 2000s.  The early 2000s did not end in 2001, but the Y2K culture did.  It ended when Bush was inaugurated and the (mild) early 2000s recession began.  9/11 at absolute latest but to me, it was already over by then.

If you're talking about the late 90's/early 00's era as a whole, then yes. I typically consider the mid 1997-early 2004 period as the Millennium Period. However there are two halves to this era

The Y2K Part aka the cultural late 90's which was from mid 1997-mid 2001 give or take

&

The Neptunes Part aka the cultural earli 00's which was from late 2001-early 2004.

So in that case no, I would say there culturally on the early 2000's side.

I look at it like this; when I think of the cultural late 90's I think of Boybands, End of Clinton/Start of Bush, pre 9/11, peak of Pokemania/continued success of Power Rangers but past its peak, Gameboy Color, N64, Dreamcast, VHS still king, and Napster, etc.

When I think of the cultural early 00's I think of post 9/11 patriotism, Bush's golden age (before his massive decline in mid-late 00's), Solo Justin Timberlake, Pop Punk, Lizzie McGuire, Linkin Park, The Neptunes, Dragon Ball Z & YuGiOhmanoa/continued success of Pokemon despite past its peak, Gameboy Advanced, PS2, GameCube, VHS to DVD transition, etc.

Now there are things that overlap in both periods like Nu Metal, party rap, movie series like The Matrix and Austin Powers, Britney Spears, Dial Up Internet, Fashion like baggy jeans, flared jeans, preppy fashion, tv shows like Buffy The Vampire Slayer and Dawson's Creek, and other trends like toys like the Bop It, Pokemon cards, Beyblades, candy like Wonderballs and Gushers, hence why the era as a whole is generally similar. Hence why I'm able to relate to #infinity for instance even though she spent most of her core years during the Y2K section while I did for most of the Neptunes section. But there are still some noticeable differences between the two section like I laid out above

You are confusing the Y2K era with the early 2000s.  The early 2000s did not end in 2001, but the Y2K culture did.  It ended when Bush was inaugurated and the (mild) early 2000s recession began.  9/11 at absolute latest but to me, it was already over by then.


I don't think I'm confusing anything. I consider everything from 1998-2002 (and most of 2003 culture) to be Y2K culture. Those 5/6 years felt like one era to me.


If the Y2K era is synonymous with the late 90s, then absolutely not.  Even much of 2000 was heading out of the period, despite most definitive culture still in its peak.  Things like the premiere of Malcolm in the Middle and Survivor, release of PS2, popularization of the Neptunes, the Dot Com Bubble bursting, Eminem being the biggest rapper in the world, and the notorious 2000 American Presidential Election were clear signs that the early 2000s were quickly establishing themselves and that the 90s were dying.  Y2K itself was over, too.  Once 2001 came, things that defined the core Y2K period like millennial teen pop, 5th generation video games, and Limp Bizkit began to fade from popularity.  I really don't see how the age of post-9/11 patriotism, Yu-Gi-Oh!, GameCube, Original XBOX, Jimmy Eat World, the Lord of the Rings Trilogy, and Lizzie McGuire is just an extension of the late 90s, even with some 90s culture hanging on in some form.


Jimmy Eat world is definitely a 90's holdover. They released 3 albums from 1994-1999. They had a pretty big buzz on the scene. I also remember Limp Bizkit still being regarded as "one of the biggest bands in the world." All the hip Alternative magazines and MTV reported heavily on "Limp Bizkit's audition status" in 2002. So I'd say they faded in 2003 when they released Results May Vary and everyone realized they sucked and were even worse without Wes.

I don't think I'm confusing anything. I consider everything from 1998-2002 (and most of 2003 culture) to be Y2K culture. Those 5/6 years felt like one era to me.


There was definitely a different feel though between the second half of that era (Bush's inauguration through early 2004).  I split them into two periods, with the Y2K-era only being the first half.

I think the best way to explain it is there was a very positive, optimistic vibe in this country in the late '90s and in 2000.  After Bush became President, and especially after 9/11, that turned to a negative, pessimistic zeitgeist.  Even before 9/11, the dotcom bust and recession and more pessimistic outlook about the future was gradually ending the Y2K-era vibe.  The post 9/11 culture of hyper-patriotism, terror/anthrax anxiety, social conservative resurgence, etc was a stark reaction to the pre-9/11 carefree, anything goes Y2K culture.  The world literally did change overnight on 9/11.

Jimmy Eat world is definitely a 90's holdover. They released 3 albums from 1994-1999. They had a pretty big buzz on the scene

As usual, you're speaking more from the perspective of somebody who was heavily immersed in underground rock scenes, which in the 90s included early emo.  Jimmy Eat World did release some pretty well-reviewed albums during that decade, but they weren't at all at the forefront of mainstream popular culture until the early 2000s.  The Middle shot up to #5 in mid 2002, whereas their first three albums didn't chart anywhere at all aside from Clarity's #47 in Germany.  They were certainly nowhere near as significant to widespread popular culture as Green Day, The Offspring, and even Dude Ranch-era blink-182 were.  A lot like grunge in the 80s, emo in the 90s was already a bustling underground scene, but it was still finding its way to a broader audience and isn't really what represented the era of the present, so much as what was possibly to come in the future.  Clarity may now be considered one of the essential albums of emo, but a lot like Weezer's Pinkerton, it was a commercial flop that few people praised when it first hit shelves.

I also remember Limp Bizkit still being regarded as "one of the biggest bands in the world." All the hip Alternative magazines and MTV reported heavily on "Limp Bizkit's audition status" in 2002. So I'd say they faded in 2003 when they released Results May Vary and everyone realized they sucked and were even worse without Wes.


From what I've heard, a ton of old Limp Bizkit fans were already completely alienated by Chocolate Starfish and the Hotdog Flavored Water, which took the most superficial elements of the group and cranked them up to 11.  Granted, it was still a very successful album, but it was still a sign that the times were changing, especially with Linkin Park completely blowing up around the same time people were talking about the album.

There was definitely a different feel though between the second half of that era (Bush's inauguration through early 2004).  I split them into two periods, with the Y2K-era only being the first half.

I think the best way to explain it is there was a very positive, optimistic vibe in this country in the late '90s and in 2000.  After Bush became President, and especially after 9/11, that turned to a negative, pessimistic zeitgeist.  Even before 9/11, the dotcom bust and recession and more pessimistic outlook about the future was gradually ending the Y2K-era vibe.  The post 9/11 culture of hyper-patriotism, terror/anthrax anxiety, social conservative resurgence, etc was a stark reaction to the pre-9/11 carefree, anything goes Y2K culture.  The world literally did change overnight on 9/11.


Early 2004 isn't really a part of this. By then, we were already pretty much in the core 2000's.

I think that's giving 9/11 way too much power (also "the world" is not America). Both pre-Bush and 9/11 and post had it's fair share of optimism and pessimism. Hell, we already had the WTC bombing in 1993 which was "sobering to some people" according to my dad. In 1998 we had the US embassy bombings (which is also one of the roots of the war on terror) and more and more you'd hear about how the USA was becoming a terrorist threat. My friend's mother even told us to "be careful around landmarks and skyscrapers" when we'd go on trips because of the fear of an upcoming terrorist attack. Even my mother wouldn't shut up about how the US would be attacked and once 9/11 happened she spent the whole day talking about how she was right. Columbine happened in 1999 which was a big deal for a lot of us high schoolers at the time. I didn't really care about it nor was I too scared but I knew people who were scared sh*tless to come to school in case something like that would happen to us next. The 90's wasn't all flowers and roses unless you wear the rose-colored glasses. The world's always been an unsafe violent place no matter what era but it's not like the entire era was all about cowering in a fetal position. That's for the weak minded. I know a lot of people who'd agree that even after 9/11 and Bush, we we're still pretty care free. Now, if we're talking about today, I'd say it's much worse era with a much worse president but oh well, you live with what cards you're handed.


As usual, you're speaking more from the perspective of somebody who was heavily immersed in underground rock scenes, which in the 90s included early emo.  Jimmy Eat World did release some pretty well-reviewed albums during that decade, but they weren't at all at the forefront of mainstream popular culture until the early 2000s.  The Middle shot up to #5 in mid 2002, whereas their first three albums didn't chart anywhere at all aside from Clarity's #47 in Germany.  They were certainly nowhere near as significant to widespread popular culture as Green Day, The Offspring, and even Dude Ranch-era blink-182 were.  A lot like grunge in the 80s, emo in the 90s was already a bustling underground scene, but it was still finding its way to a broader audience and isn't really what represented the era of the present, so much as what was possibly to come in the future.  Clarity may now be considered one of the essential albums of emo, but a lot like Weezer's Pinkerton, it was a commercial flop that few people praised when it first hit shelves.

From what I've heard, a ton of old Limp Bizkit fans were already completely alienated by Chocolate Starfish and the Hotdog Flavored Water, which took the most superficial elements of the group and cranked them up to 11.  Granted, it was still a very successful album, but it was still a sign that the times were changing, especially with Linkin Park completely blowing up around the same time people were talking about the album.


Yes and No. I also speak as someone who was just your general teenager of the times. I watched a lot of television and listened to a lot of the radio but I also happened to attend a lot of underground shows and mainstream concerts. Technically, "early emo" isn't even 90's. That's another 80's thing stretching back to 1984 and 1985 in Washington, DC. I don't want to sound condescending so don't take it that way but I did live though those times and I do know what charted and what was popular so I don't really need to do told this. I think that underground scenes can be a good reflection of what's going on through the era. Usually the music and styles are pretty typical of the times. Once bands like Green Day and the Offspring popped up, millions of Pop Punk bands started forming in various cities and Pop Punk is one of the many things that defines the 90's and early 00's. Someone else my age or older might say "when I was in high school, every second kid was in a band that sounded like Green Day." No doubt that they hit their mainstream peak in 2001 and 2002 (and not to mention they were the very face of Emo until that awful fake Emo came around in 2004) but Jimmy Eat World did have a fair presence in the mainstream by 1999. Clarity did chart in the US. It hit number #30 on the US Heatseekers billboard chart in 1999 and Lucky Denver Mint (one of my favorite songs of all time) was featured in Drew Berrymore's "Never Been Kissed". Not to mention, MTV2 played that video quite a bit. Pinkerton was a flop? It wasn't as successful as the Blue album but I don't think you could necessarily call it a flop. I remember that album being pretty huge around the time it came out despite a few bad reviews.

I actually heard that about Significant Other compared to... Ahem... Three Dollar Bill, Y'all (I can't decide if Chocolate Starfish or that is a stupider album title). I wouldn't say Linkin Park's arrival is very good sign of the changing times because they were a continuation of the 1998 Nu Metal trend that started with Significant Other and Follow the Leader. Linkin Park's decline in popularity from 2004-2006 and their comeback with Minutes to Midnight, in which they completely abandoned the Nu Metal style, is a much bigger sign in my opinion.  But, billions of people in 2002 did line up to audition with Limp Bizkit once Wes left. They were given a whole lot of press and coverage. Everybody wanted to know who was gonna replace Wes and what plans MC Freddy Durst and his Limp Bizkit had next! Even when I'd go pick up my sister from high school around this time I'd still see kids dressed like Fred Durst blasting Rollin' or My Generation from their stereos. It was Results May Vary that really alienated the new fans that Significant Other and Chocolate Starfish brought because they thought the album wasn't as good as the previous two.

No doubt that they hit their mainstream peak in 2001 and 2002 (and not to mention they were the very face of Emo until that awful fake Emo came around in 2004) but Jimmy Eat World did have a fair presence in the mainstream by 1999. Clarity did chart in the US. It hit number #30 on the US Heatseekers billboard chart in 1999 and Lucky Denver Mint (one of my favorite songs of all time) was featured in Drew Berrymore's "Never Been Kissed". Not to mention, MTV2 played that video quite a bit.

I'd say the US Heatseakers chart is extremely insignificant, especially since Clarity peaked only at #30.  That means it was never popular enough at the time to even crack the bottom of the Billboard 200.  Probably the only reason it charted at all was because it was released by major label Capitol, but it certainly didn't deliver on whatever commercial potential it had in 1999.  By appearing on MTV and in Never Been Kissed, I think it's reasonable to include Jimmy Eat World as relevant to late 90s culture, but they were still not a band that many people knew the name of or tried to imitate unless they were devoted rock fans like you were.

Pinkerton was a flop? It wasn't as successful as the Blue album but I don't think you could necessarily call it a flop. I remember that album being pretty huge around the time it came out despite a few bad reviews.

Considering the monumental impact the Blue Album had on the charts and 90s culture, especially for the song Buddy Holly, there were probably such huge expectations for Pinkerton that once it turned out to be of such a different, darker style than its predecessor, it alienated a lot of people and led to a less than stellar performance on the charts (although it and its singles still charted far better than any of Jimmy Eat World's 90s material).  Apparently, Rivers Cuomo was incredibly devastated by the initial response to Pinkerton; my guess is that this was what ultimately led Weezer to become much more mainstream again from Green Album to Hurley (before their best-reviewed album since the 90s, Everything Will Be Alright in the End).

I actually heard that about Significant Other compared to... Ahem... Three Dollar Bill, Y'all (I can't decide if Chocolate Starfish or that is a stupider album title). I wouldn't say Linkin Park's arrival is very good sign of the changing times because they were a continuation of the 1998 Nu Metal trend that started with Significant Other and Follow the Leader. Linkin Park's decline in popularity from 2004-2006 and their comeback with Minutes to Midnight, in which they completely abandoned the Nu Metal style, is a much bigger sign in my opinion.  But, billions of people in 2002 did line up to audition with Limp Bizkit once Wes left. They were given a whole lot of press and coverage. Everybody wanted to know who was gonna replace Wes and what plans MC Freddy Durst and his Limp Bizkit had next! Even when I'd go pick up my sister from high school around this time I'd still see kids dressed like Fred Durst blasting Rollin' or My Generation from their stereos. It was Results May Vary that really alienated the new fans that Significant Other and Chocolate Starfish brought because they thought the album wasn't as good as the previous two.


Chocolate Starfish and the Hotdog Flavored Water alienated the portion of Limp Bizkit's audience who were just entering adolescence and hated mainstream rappers like Master P and DMX.  It was really just as superficially rebellious as its predecessor, but especially due to the song Rollin', a lot of people perceived it to be caving into the fads that these kids hated.

I agree that Linkin Park was a stylistic continuation of millennial-era nu-metal, but the reason I bring them up is because they emerged as the new coolest band to the audience that had previously idolized Limp Bizkit.  Despite their rap-rock formula, they weren't as loudmouthed as most nu-metal bands from 1998-2000 and appealed to an even broader audience.

I'd say the US Heatseakers chart is extremely insignificant, especially since Clarity peaked only at #30.  That means it was never popular enough at the time to even crack the bottom of the Billboard 200.  Probably the only reason it charted at all was because it was released by major label Capitol, but it certainly didn't deliver on whatever commercial potential it had in 1999.  By appearing on MTV and in Never Been Kissed, I think it's reasonable to include Jimmy Eat World as relevant to late 90s culture, but they were still not a band that many people knew the name of or tried to imitate unless they were devoted rock fans like you were.

Considering the monumental impact the Blue Album had on the charts and 90s culture, especially for the song Buddy Holly, there were probably such huge expectations for Pinkerton that once it turned out to be of such a different, darker style than its predecessor, it alienated a lot of people and led to a less than stellar performance on the charts (although it and its singles still charted far better than any of Jimmy Eat World's 90s material).  Apparently, Rivers Cuomo was incredibly devastated by the initial response to Pinkerton; my guess is that this was what ultimately led Weezer to become much more mainstream again from Green Album to Hurley (before their best-reviewed album since the 90s, Everything Will Be Alright in the End).

Chocolate Starfish and the Hotdog Flavored Water alienated the portion of Limp Bizkit's audience who were just entering adolescence and hated mainstream rappers like Master P and DMX.  It was really just as superficially rebellious as its predecessor, but especially due to the song Rollin', a lot of people perceived it to be caving into the fads that these kids hated.

I agree that Linkin Park was a stylistic continuation of millennial-era nu-metal, but the reason I bring them up is because they emerged as the new coolest band to the audience that had previously idolized Limp Bizkit.  Despite their rap-rock formula, they weren't as loudmouthed as most nu-metal bands from 1998-2000 and appealed to an even broader audience.


I disagree with the point about the Heatseekers being insignificant. That chart was always meant to showcase the most popular up and coming bands who generated the most buzz around the time. Thing about charts is that they're only a portion of a bands popularity. If you go to a show or concert with a band that had a decent placement on the Heatseekers, it'll probably be a full house. Jimmy Eat World wasn't a super obscure name at the time of Clarity, really. Most people already seen the video for Lucky Denver Mint (that was their main hit before The Middle came out) It takes more than just a Major. Static Clarity was also on Capitol and that didn't chart at all. It's up to the people to go out and buy the album to get it up on the charts and MTV which they did for Jimmy Eat World in 1999. #33 is a pretty big accomplishment. They made just enough of an impact. I miss when Jimmy Eat World and Dashboard Confessional were big. Those guys are real Emo.

Pinkerton was still decently popular when it came out even if it wasn't as big as the Blue album. I am not surprised about River's reaction, though. Everything seems to upset that guy!

Nah, I don't think so. Significant Other was much more polished and commercial than Three Dollar Bill, Yall (I hate this album title!) which alienated fans much more than Rollin ever could. There really wasn't a big reaction to Chocolate Flavored Star Waters. Like, this is what I remember from the time just talking to different people I knew and nobody hated that album unless they already hated Significant Other and wanted to be "cool" and "underground" by only liking the first Limp Bizzle rekkid.

KoRn wasn't as loud mouthed, either and they were much bigger than Linkin Park in 2000-2002. Hell, they invented Nu Metal. When all these bands went on tour, KoRn was always bringing in the biggest draw and they always headlined. Why? Because everyone would go just to see KoRn. Anything else (like Linkin Park, Papa Roach, P.O.D. or System of a Down. Other huge bands of 2000-2002) is a plus. Untouchables was a HUGE album that everyone I knew owned at the time. Even my sister owned that album (she is weird, though. Likes all this strange music). But Limp Bizkit were still getting buzz, radio play and MTV time and people still for sure idolized Fred Durst. Magazines like Kerrang wouldn't stop talking about "What was next for Limp Bizkit", MTV would either show news updates for the audition or just replay their videos from 1998-2001 and they won an AMA for "Favorite Alternative Artist." In 2002, the anticipation was high for them. Everyone wanted to know what was next because everyone wanted a new album or to at least see them play live again. It was crazy, this band was still so popular and then Results May Vary came out and that was it. People hated that thing so much. 

If the Y2K era is synonymous with the late 90s, then absolutely not.  Even much of 2000 was heading out of the period, despite most definitive culture still in its peak.  Things like the premiere of Malcolm in the Middle and Survivor, release of PS2, popularization of the Neptunes, the Dot Com Bubble bursting, Eminem being the biggest rapper in the world, and the notorious 2000 American Presidential Election were clear signs that the early 2000s were quickly establishing themselves and that the 90s were dying.  Y2K itself was over, too.  Once 2001 came, things that defined the core Y2K period like millennial teen pop, 5th generation video games, and Limp Bizkit began to fade from popularity.  I really don't see how the age of post-9/11 patriotism, Yu-Gi-Oh!, GameCube, Original XBOX, Jimmy Eat World, the Lord of the Rings Trilogy, and Lizzie McGuire is just an extension of the late 90s, even with some 90s culture hanging on in some form.


Eh, I'm not sure I completely agree. The first season of Malcolm in the Middle, still had a very 90s vibe (I'm sure much of it was filmed in 1999 anyway). The PS2 was released toward the end of 2000, but I don't remember it becoming popular until about late 2001/2002ish. When you say the Neptunes, I'm assuming you're that you're talking about the music duo? If so, they started out through producing, but they didn't release their own album until 2003. They were already popular before 2000 with their production work. Eminem was also getting pretty big in 1999. Sure he got bigger in 2000, however, stylistically his second album is like a sequel to his first album. As for the election, 2000 was still technically a Clinton year, since Bush wasn't inaugurated until 2001.

As for 2001, the changes you listed happened during the latter part of the year. Teen pop was still popular in the first half of 2001, Pokemon was still big, fifth generation consoles like the N64 and PS1 were still the dominant systems. Stuff like Yu-Gi-Oh, Gamecube, and the Original XBOX didn't come out until the very end of the year. They all became popular in 2002. Jimmy Eat World also became more successful around late 2001/2002. And even then, Bleed American does not sound like a core 2000s album at all. As for Lizzie McGuire, it kinda aired in between the millennial period and the core 2000s. When it started in the beginning of 2001, we were still in the millennial period. However by the time it ended, we were fully in the core 2000s.

The first half of 2002 the latest. 9/11 at the earliest, for it to end.

There was definitely a different feel though between the second half of that era (Bush's inauguration through early 2004).  I split them into two periods, with the Y2K-era only being the first half.

I think the best way to explain it is there was a very positive, optimistic vibe in this country in the late '90s and in 2000.  After Bush became President, and especially after 9/11, that turned to a negative, pessimistic zeitgeist.  Even before 9/11, the dotcom bust and recession and more pessimistic outlook about the future was gradually ending the Y2K-era vibe.  The post 9/11 culture of hyper-patriotism, terror/anthrax anxiety, social conservative resurgence, etc was a stark reaction to the pre-9/11 carefree, anything goes Y2K culture.  The world literally did change overnight on 9/11.


No, it really didn't change overnight. Late 2001-2003 was more of a transitional period.

No, it really didn't change overnight. Late 2001-2003 was more of a transitional period.


I agree that was a transitional period into the core 2000's. That's why it's called the cultural early 2000's. Then by the time the cultural mid 2000's began as soon as 2004 hit the changes were in full effect.

Eh, I'm not sure I completely agree. The first season of Malcolm in the Middle, still had a very 90s vibe (I'm sure much of it was filmed in 1999 anyway). The PS2 was released toward the end of 2000, but I don't remember it becoming popular until about late 2001/2002ish. When you say the Neptunes, I'm assuming you're that you're talking about the music duo? If so, they started out through producing, but they didn't release their own album until 2003. They were already popular before 2000 with their production work. Eminem was also getting pretty big in 1999. Sure he got bigger in 2000, however, stylistically his second album is like a sequel to his first album. As for the election, 2000 was still technically a Clinton year, since Bush wasn't inaugurated until 2001.

As for 2001, the changes you listed happened during the latter part of the year. Teen pop was still popular in the first half of 2001, Pokemon was still big, fifth generation consoles like the N64 and PS1 were still the dominant systems. Stuff like Yu-Gi-Oh, Gamecube, and the Original XBOX didn't come out until the very end of the year. They all became popular in 2002. Jimmy Eat World also became more successful around late 2001/2002. And even then, Bleed American does not sound like a core 2000s album at all. As for Lizzie McGuire, it kinda aired in between the millennial period and the core 2000s. When it started in the beginning of 2001, we were still in the millennial period. However by the time it ended, we were fully in the core 2000s.



All of This.

No, it really didn't change overnight. Late 2001-2003 was more of a transitional period.

Actually I wouldn't call it a transitonal period. IMO,you could say Late 2001-mid 2006 was it's own big era in a way.

Overall, I don't consider 2002 and 2003 apart of the Y2k period of years prior. You could cheat and say early 2002, but I always viewed late 1998-mid 2001 as the true Y2k period. You could even say late 2001-mid 2006(early-mid 2000s culturally imo) was it's own kinda big period. But back on topic, when I think of the very late 90s and very early 00s I think of Y2k.

Regarding more on what musicguy said, there should be a 2001 cultural debate because I are 150% on his take on 2001. Infinity focused WAY too much on the latter half of the year. Most of 2001 was millennial, Pokemon and Digmion were still the top two CHILDREN's anime, even though Bush was inaugurated in January 2001; you could say that Clinton's influence on politics still lingered for much of 2001 actually. Kids tv shows were still in their primes basically, Yankee's dynasty was still going on, Kobe and Shaq were still dominating basketball, PS1 and N64 were still the most recognized consoles, even though PS2 had been out for almost a year. AI Artificial Intelligence,Donnie Darko and American Pie 2,Pearl Harbor, Moulin Rouge,The Mummy Returns, Spy Kids,The Fast and The Furious, hell even the first shrek and Harry Potter films felt kinda very late 90sish. If you take away the last half of the year(LoTR Fellowship XBOX,Gamecube,Gameboy Advanced, Adult Swim,) it was apart of that very late 90s world.

Stuff from 2002 still fits the same vibe that started in 1998. Core Y2K era = 1998-2002.

Eh, I'm not sure I completely agree. The first season of Malcolm in the Middle, still had a very 90s vibe (I'm sure much of it was filmed in 1999 anyway). The PS2 was released toward the end of 2000, but I don't remember it becoming popular until about late 2001/2002ish.

It wasn't that big yet, in the same way the PS1 was nowhere near as popular as the SNES during its first year on the market, but the anticipation for it was still huge, and it certainly set the stage for the full takeoff of the 6th generation of gaming during autumn 2001.

When you say the Neptunes, I'm assuming you're that you're talking about the music duo? If so, they started out through producing, but they didn't release their own album until 2003. They were already popular before 2000 with their production work.

I'm only referring to the Neptunes as the producers for the biggest urban songs on the top 40, not their 2003 album that contained Frontin'.  Prior to 2000, their only truly big production credits were SWV's Use Your Heart and Mase's Lookin' At Me, of which only the latter is of their identifiable shuffle-beat style.  Beginning with Mystikal's Shake Ya Ass at the start of the 2000-2001 school year, however, their label suddenly became attached to a near-majority of the biggest songs on top 40 radio, from Usher's U Don't Have to Call, to Justin Timberlake's Rock Your Body, to Nelly's Hot in Herre, to several others throughout the early 2000s.  Beginning around early 2004, when the crunk movement was in full force, the Neptunes remained relevant but were no longer dominant, not to mention their style drastically changed around the same time (compare Kelis' Milkshake to the aforementioned Frontin').

Eminem was also getting pretty big in 1999. Sure he got bigger in 2000, however, stylistically his second album is like a sequel to his first album.

He's still considered predominantly a 2000s rapper, and certainly represented a shift away from other popular emcees at the time like Mase and Will Smith.  Even if The Marshall Mathers LP is the sequel to The Slim Shady LP, The Eminem Show, released in 2002, is usually considered the cap of the trilogy of classic Eminem LP's.  Not to mention, his signature song, Lose Yourself, was big at the end of 2002.

As for the election, 2000 was still technically a Clinton year, since Bush wasn't inaugurated until 2001.

The 2000 Election, however, was easily the defining world event of the year 2000 and quickly set the tone for the corrupt decade that was to come even before Dubya stepped into the White House.  9/11 completed this shift in tone, but the Clinton vibe was toppling very quickly during the months that preceded it.

As for 2001, the changes you listed happened during the latter part of the year. Teen pop was still popular in the first half of 2001, Pokemon was still big, fifth generation consoles like the N64 and PS1 were still the dominant systems. Stuff like Yu-Gi-Oh, Gamecube, and the Original XBOX didn't come out until the very end of the year. They all became popular in 2002. Jimmy Eat World also became more successful around late 2001/2002. And even then, Bleed American does not sound like a core 2000s album at all. As for Lizzie McGuire, it kinda aired in between the millennial period and the core 2000s. When it started in the beginning of 2001, we were still in the millennial period. However by the time it ended, we were fully in the core 2000s.

Most of the significant changes in 2001 happened during the last third of the year, but my point was that even during the 2000-2001 school year and subsequent summer, there were a lot of emerging trends that could only be described as early 2000s and not simply late 90s or Y2K.  Also, I'm not trying to imply that late 2001 and 2002 are core 2000s years or even have real core 2000s influences; I simply mean they're pure early 2000s, separate from the late 90s/Y2K era.  They weren't completely un-Y2K, but the most significant late 90s fads were no longer dominant, instead overtaken mostly by things introduced during the 2000/2001 school year and later.  The core 2000s didn't really begin, in my opinion, until 2003, when we invaded Iraq and 50 Cent became popular, although that year was still predominantly early 2000s.  Note:  I'm considering the "core 2000s" separate from the "mid 2000s;" the core 2000s lasted from spring 2003 until about winter 2007/2008, whereas the mid 2000s span winter 2003/2004 through summer 2006.


Regarding more on what musicguy said, there should be a 2001 cultural debate because I are 150% on his take on 2001. Infinity focused WAY too much on the latter half of the year. Most of 2001 was millennial, Pokemon and Digmion were still the top two CHILDREN's anime, even though Bush was inaugurated in January 2001; you could say that Clinton's influence on politics still lingered for much of 2001 actually. Kids tv shows were still in their primes basically, Yankee's dynasty was still going on, Kobe and Shaq were still dominating basketball, PS1 and N64 were still the most recognized consoles, even though PS2 had been out for almost a year. AI Artificial Intelligence,Donnie Darko and American Pie 2,Pearl Harbor, Moulin Rouge,The Mummy Returns, Spy Kids,The Fast and The Furious, hell even the first shrek and Harry Potter films felt kinda very late 90sish. If you take away the last half of the year(LoTR Fellowship XBOX,Gamecube,Gameboy Advanced, Adult Swim,) it was apart of that very late 90s world.


I consider most of 2001 part of the millennial era, but it was no longer the core millennial period, which in my opinion lasted from about winter 1998/1999 (when things like Pokémon, Britney Spears, and Windows 98 blew up) until the end of autumn 2000 (in the aftermath of the 2000 US Presidential Election, as well as when late 90s culture began to decline for the first time).  Teen pop was still popular throughout 2001, but it was starting to lose a bit of momentum, especially around the time 9/11 struck; it ended definitively in spring 2002 with the re-charting of LeAnn Rimes' Can't Fight the Moonlight.  Spy Kids, The Fast and The Furious, Shrek, and Harry Potter were all indisputably 2000s franchises, I don't understand what's so "90s" about them, especially Shrek, which set the new precedent for animated films in the 21st century and repudiated the Disney Renaissance style that had prevailed in the 90s.

Spy Kids, The Fast and The Furious, Shrek, and Harry Potter were all indisputably 2000s franchises, I don't understand what's so "90s" about them, especially Shrek, which set the new precedent for animated films in the 21st century and repudiated the Disney Renaissance style that had prevailed in the 90s.

Sigh.... You don't get it. Going back and rewatching the FIRST Spy Kids, F&F,and Shrek kinda did feel a little 1999ish. It definitely didn't feel core 2000s. BTW,I apologize if I came off as dickish in my first sentence ;D ; you're cool with me girl! ;)

Sigh.... You don't get it. Going back and rewatching the FIRST Spy Kids, F&F,and Shrek kinda did feel a little 1999ish. It definitely didn't feel core 2000s. BTW,I apologize if I came off as dickish in my first sentence ;D ; you're cool with me girl! ;)


IMO, late 90's culture was late 1997-mid 2000, with the quintessential year being 1999. Late 1996-mid 1997 was the transition between mid 90's and late 90's culture. Late 2000-mid 2001 was the transition between late 90's and early 2000's culture. The transition period is kinda like half n' half. You're right. Keep in mind and I think you're aware of this. Culture isn't the same thing as influences. Late 2001 is just when early 2000's culture overtook late 90's, however, there were still late 90's influences leftover throughout late 2001-2003 though despite early 2000's culture being dominant by then. It's kinda of how 2004-mid 2006 was mid 2000's culture but there were still early 2000's influences leftover until 2006 hit. The first Spy Kids and Fast & Furious did have a sorta 1999ish feel to it, I agree with you on that. Shrek however felt completely early 2000's to me just like Monster's Inc.

Sigh.... You don't get it. Going back and rewatching the FIRST Spy Kids, F&F,and Shrek kinda did feel a little 1999ish. It definitely didn't feel core 2000s. BTW,I apologize if I came off as dickish in my first sentence ;D ; you're cool with me girl! ;)


The only "1999-ish" thing about the first Shrek movie is its soundtrack, especially since it features the 1999 hit All Star.  Otherwise, the first green ogre movie is 2000s head to toe.  In 1999, the Disney Renaissance was still going on, with Tarzan being the biggest hit of the year.  Spy Kids is high-tech special effects-driven, with a very different sense of humor than all of the Home Alone slapstick clones that defined 90s family movies.  The Fast & the Furious set the standard for the 2000s' obsession with flashy import cars.

IMO, late 90's culture was late 1997-mid 2000


I would end it at Bush's inauguration in January 2001.  Not much culturally changed between the beginning and end of 2000 itself.

I would end it at Bush's inauguration in January 2001.  Not much culturally changed between the beginning and end of 2000 itself.


I see what you're saying. When I define cultural eras, I always define the core part of the eras and the transition periods in and out. The peak of the late 90's culture was late 1997-mid 2000, however, late 1996-mid 1997 was the transition from mid 90's culture to late 90's culture, while late 2000-mid 2001 was the transition from late 90's culture to early 2000's culture. You get what I'm saying? I agree that Bush's inauguration was part of the late 90's to early 2000's transition in the late 2000-mid 2001 period.

I see what you're saying. When I define cultural eras, I always define the core part of the eras and the transition periods in and out. The peak of the late 90's culture was late 1997-mid 2000, however, late 1996-mid 1997 was the transition from mid 90's culture to late 90's culture, while late 2000-mid 2001 was the transition from late 90's culture to early 2000's culture. You get what I'm saying? I agree that Bush's inauguration was part of the late 90's to early 2000's transition in the late 2000-mid 2001 period.


I totally agree with this.

I see what you're saying. When I define cultural eras, I always define the core part of the eras and the transition periods in and out. The peak of the late 90's culture was late 1997-mid 2000, however, late 1996-mid 1997 was the transition from mid 90's culture to late 90's culture, while late 2000-mid 2001 was the transition from late 90's culture to early 2000's culture. You get what I'm saying? I agree that Bush's inauguration was part of the late 90's to early 2000's transition in the late 2000-mid 2001 period.

I'd say late 1998-mid 2000 was the peak of the millennial culture! But to each his own.

When people say "Millennial era", does that refer to the turn of the millennium being around that time, or that era being when the Millennial generation entered their teens and started to be catered to in "teen pop culture" (NSYNC, Backstreet Boys, Spice Girls, Britney)?

I'd say late 1998-mid 2000 was the peak of the millennial culture! But to each his own.


Yeah I can get by your opinion. I was always taught that "millennial" meant "late 90's" & "early 2000's" combined. However, "Y2K" on the other hand, just meant "late 90's" or around the time New Years 2000 happened. See, if we consider the late 1997-mid 1998 period as transition from mid 90's to late 90's culture, instead of late 1996-mid 1997, what happens is that you still got 1997 as a core 90's year, while I consider the core 90's to be from 1993-1996. I don't know about you, but I don't consider 1997 as core 90's at all, because it was a very transitional year, it marked the end of core 90's and the beginning of the late 90's or millennial era, that's what I've always heard from most people who grew up in the 90's.

As someone already stated, death of grunge music, death of Notorious Big and Tupac, Golden Age Rap started transitioning over to Bling Rap, the end of Simpson's and Nickelodeon's golden age, beginning of CN's golden age with the debut of Toonami and 3 Cartoon Cartoons existing by that summer, end of Fresh Prince Bel Air, the original TMNT finally ended, the beginning of Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Sabrina: the Teenage Witch, South Park, King of the Hill, Oz, The Practice, etc., 5th generation gaming entering its peak by the time Crash Bandicoot and Mario Kart 64 came on the scene, etc. all stuff that made late 1996-mid 1997 transitional IMO, which marked the beginning of millennial culture, but the late 90's side of it. Some core 90's shows or fad's may not have ended until 1998 or a little later, but the majority of the changes occurred throughout 1997 IMO. Also, for some reason when I look at 90's photos, there seems to be a huge attitude change in terms of fashion/hair style between 1996 through 1998/1999. Like crazy.

Yeah I can get by your opinion. I was always taught that "millennial" meant "late 90's" & "early 2000's" combined. However, "Y2K" on the other hand, just meant "late 90's" or around the time New Years 2000 happened. See, if we consider the late 1997-mid 1998 period as transition from mid 90's to late 90's culture, instead of late 1996-mid 1997, what happens is that you still got 1997 as a core 90's year, while I consider the core 90's to be from 1993-1996. I don't know about you, but I don't consider 1997 as core 90's at all, because it was a very transitional year, it marked the end of core 90's and the beginning of the late 90's or millennial era, that's what I've always heard from most people who grew up in the 90's.

1997 was definitely late 90s, but it still had a core 90s atmosphere to it that 1999 and late 1998 did not.  Things like Spice Girls, Men in Black-era Will Smith, Master P, pre-revival Dexter's Laboratory, and Puff Daddy (NOT P. Diddy or Diddy) can only be described as 90s, even though they all marked a clear shift away from where popular culture was just a year earlier.  Throughout most of 1998, too, musical acts like Natalie Imbruglia, Alanis Morissette, Garbage, Everclear, and Smashing Pumpkins were still a significant presence on mainstream radio, while teen pop had still not yet entered its absolute peak.  Seinfeld and Family Matters didn't end until the middle of 1998, and The Simpsons still had somewhat of a classic feel to it until November 1998 (after Phil Hartman's last appearance and when episodes like Homer Simpson in:  Kidney Trouble became the norm).  Although 1997 and 1998 were definitely late 90s/Y2K-era, they still felt predominantly 90s and lacked the slight touches of early 2000s culture that was present in 1999, 2000, and early 2001.

Core 90s, in this case, spans from Clinton's first inauguration and simultaneous death of hair metal and commercial breakthrough of gangsta rap in early 1993 to late 1998/early 1999, when culture like Britney Spears, Pokémon, Windows '98, Metal Gear Solid, and The Powerpuff Girls broke into mainstream popularity and alternative rock and adult ballads lost some of their popularity to nu-metal and rap/rock. This is all separate from the mid 90s, which fully took off around mid 1994 (after the death of Kurt Cobain and decline/hiatus of the original three Nicktoons, while pop punk, post-grunge, britpop, Power Rangers, The X-Files, teen r&b princesses like Aaliyah and Brandy, Biggie, Friends, and Beavis & Butthead took their place) and declined during the 1996-1997 school year and subsequent summer.

As someone already stated, death of grunge music, death of Notorious Big and Tupac, Golden Age Rap started transitioning over to Bling Rap, the end of Simpson's and Nickelodeon's golden age, beginning of CN's golden age with the debut of Toonami and 3 Cartoon Cartoons existing by that summer, end of Fresh Prince Bel Air, the original TMNT finally ended, the beginning of Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Sabrina: the Teenage Witch, South Park, King of the Hill, Oz, The Practice, etc., 5th generation gaming entering its peak by the time Crash Bandicoot and Mario Kart 64 came on the scene, etc. all stuff that made late 1996-mid 1997 transitional IMO, which marked the beginning of millennial culture, but the late 90's side of it. Some core 90's shows or fad's may not have ended until 1998 or a little later, but the majority of the changes occurred throughout 1997 IMO. Also, for some reason when I look at 90's photos, there seems to be a huge attitude change in terms of fashion/hair style between 1996 through 1998/1999. Like crazy.


Yep, my thoughts exactly.  Late 1996 through mid 1997, in general, were a time of huge transformation, a period during which popular culture was trying to redefine itself but hadn't quite solidified.  The 90s may not have been officially over, but the 1996-1997 school year and summer 1997 pretty much mark the crossroads when adolescent popular culture went from targeting Generation X to aiming towards Generation Y, hence the shift in attitudes.

1997 was definitely late 90s, but it still had a core 90s atmosphere to it that 1999 and late 1998 did not.  Things like Spice Girls, Men in Black-era Will Smith, Master P, pre-revival Dexter's Laboratory, and Puff Daddy (NOT P. Diddy or Diddy) can only be described as 90s, even though they all marked a clear shift away from where popular culture was just a year earlier.  Throughout most of 1998, too, musical acts like Natalie Imbruglia, Alanis Morissette, Garbage, Everclear, and Smashing Pumpkins were still a significant presence on mainstream radio, while teen pop had still not yet entered its absolute peak.  Seinfeld and Family Matters didn't end until the middle of 1998, and The Simpsons still had somewhat of a classic feel to it until November 1998 (after Phil Hartman's last appearance and when episodes like Homer Simpson in:  Kidney Trouble became the norm).  Although 1997 and 1998 were definitely late 90s/Y2K-era, they still felt predominantly 90s and lacked the slight touches of early 2000s culture that was present in 1999, 2000, and early 2001.

Core 90s, in this case, spans from Clinton's first inauguration and simultaneous death of hair metal and commercial breakthrough of gangsta rap in early 1993 to late 1998/early 1999, when culture like Britney Spears, Pokémon, Windows '98, Metal Gear Solid, and The Powerpuff Girls broke into mainstream popularity and alternative rock and adult ballads lost some of their popularity to nu-metal and rap/rock. This is all separate from the mid 90s, which fully took off around mid 1994 (after the death of Kurt Cobain and decline/hiatus of the original three Nicktoons, while pop punk, post-grunge, britpop, Power Rangers, The X-Files, teen r&b princesses like Aaliyah and Brandy, Biggie, Friends, and Beavis & Butthead took their place) and declined during the 1996-1997 school year and subsequent summer.

This.

Yeah I can get by your opinion. I was always taught that "millennial" meant "late 90's" & "early 2000's" combined. However, "Y2K" on the other hand, just meant "late 90's" or around the time New Years 2000 happened. See, if we consider the late 1997-mid 1998 period as transition from mid 90's to late 90's culture, instead of late 1996-mid 1997, what happens is that you still got 1997 as a core 90's year, while I consider the core 90's to be from 1993-1996. I don't know about you, but I don't consider 1997 as core 90's at all, because it was a very transitional year, it marked the end of core 90's and the beginning of the late 90's or millennial era, that's what I've always heard from most people who grew up in the 90's.

As someone already stated, death of grunge music, death of Notorious Big and Tupac, Golden Age Rap started transitioning over to Bling Rap, the end of Simpson's and Nickelodeon's golden age, beginning of CN's golden age with the debut of Toonami and 3 Cartoon Cartoons existing by that summer, end of Fresh Prince Bel Air, the original TMNT finally ended, the beginning of Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Sabrina: the Teenage Witch, South Park, King of the Hill, Oz, The Practice, etc., 5th generation gaming entering its peak by the time Crash Bandicoot and Mario Kart 64 came on the scene, etc. all stuff that made late 1996-mid 1997 transitional IMO, which marked the beginning of millennial culture, but the late 90's side of it. Some core 90's shows or fad's may not have ended until 1998 or a little later, but the majority of the changes occurred throughout 1997 IMO. Also, for some reason when I look at 90's photos, there seems to be a huge attitude change in terms of fashion/hair style between 1996 through 1998/1999. Like crazy.

1997 was still very much core 90s, but it was transitional though, 1997 may have been late 90s but it was still kinda core though. Michael Jordan was still THE face of the NBA, The golden age of the Simpsons, Seinfeld, Nick's golden age, Family Matters& Step by Step, Beavis and Butthead, Ahh Real Monsters were ALL still going on, WCW was still kicking WWF's ass in the ratings war, East Coast hip hop was still ruling the charts.

I know you had South Park premiering,teen pop started to become popular, and shows such as The Practice,Oz, King of the Hill, Ally McBeal debuting, but 1997 was still very much core 90s, with some late 90s characteristics coming in. As a matter of fact you could even cheat and say that late 1996-mid 1998 was late 90s and late 1998-mid 2001 was the millennial period. People like Bchris and Gdowe 1991 have even said the same thing.

1997 was definitely late 90s, but it still had a core 90s atmosphere to it that 1999 and late 1998 did not.  Things like Spice Girls, Men in Black-era Will Smith, Master P, pre-revival Dexter's Laboratory, and Puff Daddy (NOT P. Diddy or Diddy) can only be described as 90s, even though they all marked a clear shift away from where popular culture was just a year earlier.  Throughout most of 1998, too, musical acts like Natalie Imbruglia, Alanis Morissette, Garbage, Everclear, and Smashing Pumpkins were still a significant presence on mainstream radio, while teen pop had still not yet entered its absolute peak.  Seinfeld and Family Matters didn't end until the middle of 1998, and The Simpsons still had somewhat of a classic feel to it until November 1998 (after Phil Hartman's last appearance and when episodes like Homer Simpson in:  Kidney Trouble became the norm).  Although 1997 and 1998 were definitely late 90s/Y2K-era, they still felt predominantly 90s and lacked the slight touches of early 2000s culture that was present in 1999, 2000, and early 2001.

Core 90s, in this case, spans from Clinton's first inauguration and simultaneous death of hair metal and commercial breakthrough of gangsta rap in early 1993 to late 1998/early 1999, when culture like Britney Spears, Pokémon, Windows '98, Metal Gear Solid, and The Powerpuff Girls broke into mainstream popularity and alternative rock and adult ballads lost some of their popularity to nu-metal and rap/rock. This is all separate from the mid 90s, which fully took off around mid 1994 (after the death of Kurt Cobain and decline/hiatus of the original three Nicktoons, while pop punk, post-grunge, britpop, Power Rangers, The X-Files, teen r&b princesses like Aaliyah and Brandy, Biggie, Friends, and Beavis & Butthead took their place) and declined during the 1996-1997 school year and subsequent summer.

Yep, my thoughts exactly.  Late 1996 through mid 1997, in general, were a time of huge transformation, a period during which popular culture was trying to redefine itself but hadn't quite solidified.  The 90s may not have been officially over, but the 1996-1997 school year and summer 1997 pretty much mark the crossroads when adolescent popular culture went from targeting Generation X to aiming towards Generation Y, hence the shift in attitudes.


I agree with this. Question, do you think that this was similar to the Late 2012 through Mid 2013 Era? Because personally I feel that the 2012-2013 school year while slightly leaning on the Y side, was in general a transitional school year from Generation Y culture to Generation Z culture. Like for me I feel like September of 2012 through January of 2013 was the tail end of Generation Y culture while February of 2013 through June of 2013 was the start of Generation Z culture, although I would like to hear your opinion this

1997 was still very much core 90s, but it was transitional though, 1997 may have been late 90s but it was still kinda core though. Michael Jordan was still THE face of the NBA, The golden age of the Simpsons, Seinfeld, Nick's golden age, Family Matters& Step by Step, Beavis and Butthead, Ahh Real Monsters were ALL still going on, WCW was still kicking WWF's ass in the ratings war, East Coast hip hop was still ruling the charts.

I know you had South Park premiering,teen pop started to become popular, and shows such as The Practice,Oz, King of the Hill, Ally McBeal debuting, but 1997 was still very much core 90s, with some late 90s characteristics coming in. As a matter of fact you could even cheat and say that late 1996-mid 1998 was late 90s and late 1998-mid 2001 was the millennial period. People like Bchris and Gdowe 1991 have even said the same thing.


Michael Jordan was still the face of the NBA in 1998 too. I believe Michael Jordan's championships were 1991-1993 and 1996-1998? So Jordan's peak was pretty much the whole 90's decade. Don't forget that Cartoon Network's golden age began in 1997 too like I already explained. 5th generation gaming is very late 90's and millennial for sure. IDK it's debatable. Thanks for some points tho. It could be said that 1997 is half core 90's and half millennial, kinda like how 2003 is half millennial and half core 2000's. That's if we define millennial as late 90's/early 2000's.

I agree with this. Question, do you think that this was similar to the Late 2012 through Mid 2013 Era? Because personally I feel that the 2012-2013 school year while slightly leaning on the Y side, was in general a transitional school year from Generation Y culture to Generation Z culture. Like for me I feel like September of 2012 through January of 2013 was the tail end of Generation Y culture while February of 2013 through June of 2013 was the start of Generation Z culture, although I would like to hear your opinion this


I know you're talking to someone else, but here's what I consider as the transitional periods. Since the late 90's, that is late 1996-mid 1997, late 2000-mid 2001, late 2003-mid 2004, 2006, late 2008-mid 2009, and late 2012-mid 2013. The BIG question is, how do we order these transitional periods from which was the most rapid, biggest change of all to the one that felt like it wasn't as big of a transition?

I know you're talking to someone else, but here's what I consider as the transitional periods. Since the late 90's, that is late 1996-mid 1997, late 2000-mid 2001, late 2003-mid 2004, 2006, late 2008-mid 2009, and late 2012-mid 2013. The BIG question is, how do we order these transitional periods from which was the most rapid, biggest change of all to the one that felt like it wasn't as big of a transition?


I agree with these definitions and IMO the biggest would be:

1. Late 1996-Mid 1997

2. Late 2012-Mid 2013

3. Late 2008-Mid 2009

Reasons for 96-97 and 12-13 was because they were the transitional periods from Late X to Early Y Culture and Late Y to Early Z Culture respectively. 08-09, while not a generational change, was a changeful time from the cultural late 00's to the cultural early 10's

The early 2000s are in no way an extension of the 90s. They are still clearly 2000s with a lot of late 90s holdovers.

The early 2000s are in no way an extension of the 90s. They are still clearly 2000s with a lot of late 90s holdovers.


Yeah, the early 2000's was never an extension of the 90's, except for the year 2000 still being a late 90's cultural year. 2001-2003 was early 2000's culture however still had some leftover late 90's influences.

I agree with this. Question, do you think that this was similar to the Late 2012 through Mid 2013 Era? Because personally I feel that the 2012-2013 school year while slightly leaning on the Y side, was in general a transitional school year from Generation Y culture to Generation Z culture. Like for me I feel like September of 2012 through January of 2013 was the tail end of Generation Y culture while February of 2013 through June of 2013 was the start of Generation Z culture, although I would like to hear your opinion this


In order of magnitude, from the early 80s to the mid 2010s:

1. Autumn 2008 - Spring 2010
The shift from the late 2000s to early 2010s.  One of the longer transitional periods here, but easily one of the most seismic, as well.  The top 40 went from being dominated by snap, urban, post-grunge, and pop-punk to dance/electronic and pseudo-indie.  The unemployment rate completely plummeted.  The Republicans went from a discredited Bush '43 coalition to the rabid Tea Party Movement.  Obama was now President of the United States and David Cameron became Prime Minister of the UK.  Gay marriage was now the biggest social issue of the day.  MySpace went from being solid Facebook competition to nearly obsolete.  iPhones became more and more well-known.  HD video became fully standard, while Blockbuster continued to disappear from the face of the earth.  Shows like Glee and Modern Family were all the hype.

2. Autumn 1996 - Autumn 1997
The transition from the mid 90s to late 90s.  Alternatively, the shift from Gen-X adolescent culture to Gen-Y adolescent culture.  At the start of this transitional era, society was gloomy, angsty, diverse, rebellious, and uncertain about the future.  By the end of this period, everything had become shiny, bubbly, optimistic, carefree, and seemingly content.

3. Autumn 1990 - Autumn 1992
The boundaries of the shift between the 80s and 90s is highly contested, but you can't deny the impact that Nirvana had on music, not to mention new-jack swing was abandoning its gated-drum sound and house was swallowing up the lingering hi-nrg style that had reached its creative peak with Madonna's Like a Prayer.  This was also when the Super Mario Bros. 3-driven NES was overtaken by the Sonic the Hedgehog-led Sega Genesis, as well as the new Super Nintendo, setting up a console war more epic than any other before or after.  Arcades also saw the debut of Street Fighter II in spring 1991, revolutionizing the fighting genre and leading to countless clones and spin-offs.  Turtlemania began to subside (though TMNT remained pretty popular for a little longer) as Ren & Stimpy, Rugrats, and Doug set the new standard for children's cartoons, not to mention The Simpsons fully entered its golden age after its early Bartmania episodes.  The Soviet Union went into extinction come December 1991.

4. Autumn 2000 - Winter 2001/2002
This period marked the end of the Clinton era and beginning of the W. administration.  It's most infamously remembered for 9/11, but there were also key introductions such as the Shrek, LOTR, Fast & the Furious, and Harry Potter movie franchises; PS2, GameCube, and original XBOX; the breakthroughs of producers like Irv Gotti and The Neptunes, the overseas introduction of Yu-Gi-Oh!, the premiere of Lizzie McGuire, the maturing of Britney Spears and disappearance of millennial-era boybands, the end of the Dot Com era, and the controversial 2000 US Presidential Election.  Surprisingly, a lot of people still consider 2002 and 2003 to be part of the same Y2K era as the preceding period, but even with some old culturing pressing on, this shift cannot be underestimated.

5. Winter 1982/1983 - Spring 1984
This was about the time the 80s transformed from an extension of late 70s introductions into an era of its own.  Straightened, blowdried hair was on its way out and mullets and perms were on their way in.  MTV fully established its foothold in popular culture thanks to the success of videos like Hungry Like the Wolf, Girls Just Want to Have Fun, and especially Thriller.  The Video Game Crash of 1983 killed off Atari's dominance int he gaming industry and led to the rise of personal computers like the Commodore 64 and Apple II.  70s-style acoustic and country influences finally gasped their last breath.  Iconic teen flicks became hollywood standard, with movies like Flashdance, Risky Business, and Footloose seeing their premieres in theaters, not to mention John Travolta's fall from popularity was now official due to the major failure of Staying Alive.  Michael J. Fox also emerged as the new male heartthrob of the era thanks to Family Ties.  The economy was in bad condition throughout most of the early 80s, but around the 1983-1984 school year, it finally began to improve, leading to the flourishing of 80s corporatism and yuppies.  Hair metal broke into mainstream popularity, pioneered by Def Leppard and soon followed by Van Halen, Quiet Riot, Motley Crue, Ratt, Twisted Sister, Bon Jovi, and the like.  Madonna and Cyndi Lauper redefined the female pop diva as eccentric and sexually expressive, as opposed to the arena style that had been characteristic of Laura Branigan and Bonnie Tyler.

6. Summer 2005 - Autumn 2006
The mid 2000s were pretty much just one long transitional period, so this is a little harder to pick out directly, but the rate of change definitely accelerated around this time, thanks to the breakthroughs of Web 2.0 sites like YouTube, Wikipedia, and Facebook, not to mention the rise of the 7th Generation of Gaming.  Crunk was also gradually making way for snap, while pop-punk was evolving into pop-emo (at least on a mainstream level).

7. Autumn 2003 - Spring 2004
Shows like Frasier, Friends, Buffy the Vampire Slayer, and most remaining Cartoon Cartoons and Klasky Csupo Nicktoons met their end during this time, not to mention new trends such as crunk, MySpace, Lindsay Lohan as the teen film princess of the day, and iPods quickly began to grow in popularity.  Other strictly early 2000s trends like The Neptunes and Yu-Gi-Oh!'s golden eras also came to an end during this period.

8. Summer 2012 - Autumn 2013
A lot of change was already underway prior to this shift, which is why it's not higher up on this list, but it definitely marked an important shift in the development of 2010s popular culture.  iPhones and tablet devices grew more and more in popularity until they were totally inescapable, the viral success of 2012's Macarena established once and for all that web videos were a standard medium of everyday life, theo original run of the Nostalgia Critic ended only for the Demo Reel/Nostalgia Critic hybrid revival series to overtake it, Smosh began to truly sell out (as opposed to their hilarious SELLING OUT?! video) with the launch of all their low-quality extraneous channels, electropop gradually degenerated into fluffy EDM teen pop, broken amplifier rap overtook the renaissance style that had been defined by MBDTF and Watch the Throne, and societal attitudes went from progressively rebellious to just flat-out venomous, one-dimensional, and 2010s fashion finally began to develop a true identity with the spread of side-buzzes and fade-tops, as well as the growth of hipster fashion.

9. January 1993 - Autumn 1994
This was an extremely blurry period of transition, but by the end of it, Clinton had established himself as the new man in the Oval Office, Kurt Cobain had passed away, post-grunge, pop punk, and britpop were now huge musical movements; Power Rangers and Animaniacs overtook Ren & Stimpy and TMNT as the most popular children's shows of the day, key 90s television series like Frasier, The X-Files, and Friends were on air; gangsta rap influences began to outmuscle new-jack swing in all popular music, lingering 80s fashions like pencil top hair and giant perms were finally on their way out, 3D video games like Star Fox and Daytona USA were paving the way for the future of gaming, Tom Hanks was now the biggest dramatic actor in Hollywood, Jim Carrey was the most beloved film comedian, and the last of the peak Disney Renaissance films had come out in the form of The Lion King.  As you can tell, this was an extraordinarily complex transitional era, but after all is said and done, it definitely brought us from one sub-era to another.

10. Autumn 1998 - Spring 1999
This marks the halfway point between the two sides of the Y2K era.  We were still very much in the late 90s after this transition, but the lingering core 90s vibe of 1997 and most of 1998 slowly dissipated as several important trends completed the development of Y2K culture as the year 2000 was now only a year away.  It was not until about early 1999 that Pokémon, nu-metal, latin pop, rap rock, Britney Spears, Eminem, Family Guy, and the Powerpuff Girls were cultural mainstays, while the Spice Girls, Master P, and Puff Daddy began to decline in significance.  The year 1999 very much feels like the peak of some chapter of popular culture, it's just that it doesn't squarely define either the 90s, nor the 2000s.

11. Autumn 1986 - Winter 1988/1989
The late 80s are a bizarre sub-era, since while they can certainly trace their roots as far back as 1986, they really didn't fully establish themselves until about the end of 1988.  During this whole period, society saw the emergence of new trends such as ALF, hip hop as a mainstream force, the Nintendo Entertainment System, George Michael leaving Wham!, the first season of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, and eventually the rise of a new wave of teen pop pioneered by Debbie Gibson, Tiffany, Rick Astley, and Taylor Dayne.  Despite this, 1986, 1987, and early 1988 did not really feel all that distinct from 1984 and 1985, with most mid 80s culture still very much in its peak and the 90s still seeming like a completely distant sight.  It was really not until late 1988 that popular culture felt truly distinct from the mid 80s, thanks to the full emergence of new-jack swing, the popularization of Milli Vanilli, New Kids on the Block, Guns N' Roses, and Paula Abdul; the beginning of TMNT's first regular season, the beginning of the NES's peak in popularity (complimented by the first issue of Nintendo Power), the election of Bush the Elder, and the now-certain end of the Cold War.  Hip hop also changed a bit in style, dropping most of its Raising Hell/Licensed to Ill-era rock influences and developing more of a shuffle-beat style (as seen in songs like Wild Thing and Bust a Move).

12. Autumn 1979 - Summer 1981
The transition between the late 70s and early 80s is perhaps the blurriest passover in modern pop culture history.  This is due to the fact that the early 80s were predominantly defined by things that were already fairly popular in the late 70s, but which just hadn't peaked in popularity yet.  Such trends include arcade games and the Atari 2600, arena rock bands like Journey and Toto, new wave bands/artists like Pat Benatar and The Cars, and post-disco like Kool & the Gang and Adult Michael Jackson.  This said, the 1980-1981 school year and following summer did see a few significant events, such as the murder of John Lennon, election of Ronald Reagan, launch of MTV, and release of Raiders of the Lost Ark.

The early 2000s are in no way an extension of the 90s. They are still clearly 2000s with a lot of late 90s holdovers.

2000 and early part of 2001 were an extension of 1999 though.

No. Fall 2001 through Fall 2003 is the early 2000's. This is where things start to become more like the core 2000's. I honestly think 2002 has more in common with 2006 than 1998. I see 2006 as "2002 with skinny jeans". Here's 2002:
http://cache4.asset-cache.net/gc/105333813-dashboard-confessional-during-2002-mtv-video-gettyimages.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=R4V%2FQay2ANwpmCZhkZDSEv%2F7HpTfbu3pZ6A3dGJuUqXJI89FgY62oTlPwlJW%2FST1u%2F%2Fmdh%2Bp6jC1UXKsoaXa%2Bw%3D%3D
http://www.100xr.com/100_XR/Artists/J/Jimmy_Eat_World/Jimmy.Eat.World.jpg
http://www.rockdelux.com/files/article/3150/art-thestrokes_194-1.jpg

Here's 2006:
http://www.100xr.com/artists/R/Red_Jumpsuit_Apparatus/The.Red.Jumpsuit.Apparatus-band-2006.jpg
http://images2.fanpop.com/image/photos/11900000/Paramore-2006-all-we-know-is-falling-11947417-500-447.jpg
http://coolspotters.com/files/photos/314617/brandon-flowers-and-the-killers-gallery.jpg?1357482412

The clothing styles are not different. The rock community was clearly influenced by The Strokes in both years, and the rock was the same too. Post grunge, Emo, pop rock, indie rock, post punk revival, and garage rock revival. In my mind, the early 2000's spans September 2001 through the end of 2003. The core 2000's on the other hand, I see as April 2002 through the end of 2008.

No. Fall 2001 through Fall 2003 is the early 2000's. This is where things start to become more like the core 2000's. I honestly think 2002 has more in common with 2006 than 1998. I see 2006 as "2002 with skinny jeans".

The clothing styles are not different. The rock community was clearly influenced by The Strokes in both years, and the rock was the same too. Post grunge, Emo, pop rock, indie rock, post punk revival, and garage rock revival. In my mind, the early 2000's spans September 2001 through the end of 2003. The core 2000's on the other hand, I see as April 2002 through the end of 2008.


I define the early 2000's cultural period to be from Fall 2001-Summer 2003, with Fall 2000-Summer 2001 being the late 90's to early 00's transition, and Fall 2003-Summer 2004 being the early 00's to mid 00's transition.

I understand all of us have different perspective and viewpoints of cultural eras, but other than the fashion in 2002 & 2006 not being much different by your logic and maybe Bush being the president, I don't see how 2002 is more related to 2006 than 1998 in other cultural aspects. I'd just say it's even. 2002 didn't feel core 2000's at all, however, I wouldn't mind 2003 being part of the core 2000's but it was more of a transitional year like half early and half core. The way TV was in 2002 seems more related to 1998 than 2006. 2002 was a 6th generation gaming year while 5th generation games weren't discontinued yet, but 2006 was the last 6th generation gaming year while 7th generation was in full effect by the end of that year. I don't know but I'll think about this more later.

The Y2K era ended when Bush was inaugurated in January 2001.  The dot-com bubble, which was a huge centerpiece of Y2K-era culture, had also burst around that time.  The mood in this country shifted around that time from optimistic to more pessimistic, with recession on its way and Bush shifting to a greater emphasis on foreign policy.  Summer of 2001 felt very different than summer of 2000.

It's been said before but the 00s seemed to me like one of the most rapid, changeful decades ever.

Like, in the year 2000, Pokemania was big. Video games, trading card games, with anime (with Misty), movies, soundtracks, pajamas, etc.

But by 2007 - only a mere SEVEN years later - Pokemon had of a feeling of "that's in the past, it's all been done, that's ancient history, the world was a much different place back then, etc." I even remember some of my friends in college starting to get nostalgic for the Pokemon craze, despite that only being a mere SEVEN years ago!

By contrast, in 2016, I don't see anyone saying Angry Birds was a fond childhood memory, despite the release time between that and now being 8 years.

It seems that around 2004-2006, pop culture kind of lost its old, dated sheen and became shiny and new, and still remains shiny and new, to the point where it gets harder and harder to become nostalgic for more recent things.

Example: I can probably imagine the PS2 becoming retro in a few years, but I can never imagine the Wii being retro, despite that only coming out 6 years later.

It's been said before but the 00s seemed to me like one of the most rapid, changeful decades ever.

Like, in the year 2000, Pokemania was big. Video games, trading card games, with anime (with Misty), movies, soundtracks, pajamas, etc.

But by 2007 - only a mere SEVEN years later - Pokemon had of a feeling of "that's in the past, it's all been done, that's ancient history, the world was a much different place back then, etc." I even remember some of my friends in college starting to get nostalgic for the Pokemon craze, despite that only being a mere SEVEN years ago!

By contrast, in 2016, I don't see anyone saying Angry Birds was a fond childhood memory, despite the release time between that and now being 8 years.

It seems that around 2004-2006, pop culture kind of lost its old, dated sheen and became shiny and new, and still remains shiny and new, to the point where it gets harder and harder to become nostalgic for more recent things.

Example: I can probably imagine the PS2 becoming retro in a few years, but I can never imagine the Wii being retro, despite that only coming out 6 years later.


You posted this in its own thread, but the '00s doesn't hold a candle to the '90s in terms of being changeful.  1999 was far more culturally removed from 1990 than 2009 was from 2000.  There were significant changes no doubt but the '00s saw more of a slow evolution of what was already established in 2000.  The 1990s saw truly revolutionary trends in fashion, music, politics, and the way we consume information.

What you are describing is primarily kid culture of the early 2000s and by the later part of the decade, you were too old for it and were nostalgic for it.

The Y2K era ended when Bush was inaugurated in January 2001.  The dot-com bubble, which was a huge centerpiece of Y2K-era culture, had also burst around that time.  The mood in this country shifted around that time from optimistic to more pessimistic, with recession on its way and Bush shifting to a greater emphasis on foreign policy.  Summer of 2001 felt very different than summer of 2000.

I'd say the 2001-02 school year overall was when Y2K ended. But that's just me! ;)

No. Fall 2001 through Fall 2003 is the early 2000's. This is where things start to become more like the core 2000's. I honestly think 2002 has more in common with 2006 than 1998. I see 2006 as "2002 with skinny jeans". The clothing styles are not different. The rock community was clearly influenced by The Strokes in both years, and the rock was the same too. Post grunge, Emo, pop rock, indie rock, post punk revival, and garage rock revival. In my mind, the early 2000's spans September 2001 through the end of 2003. The core 2000's on the other hand, I see as April 2002 through the end of 2008.


Rock and fashion changed so much in 2003 it's not even funny. Bands still played the 1998 styles of music in 2002.

The hair is definitely a lot different in 2002, too. You choose people that have hairstyles that weren't at all too common and clothes that are more dressier than what people normally wore in 2002 aside from Jimmy Eat World. They dressed exactly like that in 1998, too. I don't really see how that's specifically 2006 fashion 'cause it's so plain. If anything, an Emo band wearing that plain fashion distinctly makes it late 90's and early 00's. It's also too loose to be 2006. I could send you photos of Justin Pearson, Refused and Grinspoon from 1998 who had the same 2002 hairstyles and clothing as you've shown and say it's what 1998 fashion was all about but that'd be really inaccurate.

Let's compare:

1998 fashion:
https://i.gyazo.com/b758e628fd8c2e03abba15b7f47da01c.png

2002 fashion:
http://i.skyrock.net/5388/41945388/pics/3017863485_1_3_VMNY2xVT.jpg

2006:
http://www.100xr.com/artists/D/Daughtry/Daughtry-band-2006.jpg

1998:
http://www.947.fm/image/knrk2/UserFiles/Image/416346_10150709930849591_1848333217_o.jpg

2002:
https://i.gyazo.com/55acb9ae4cfc3045dd37d2b38f028fca.png

2006:
http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lxnjtskHqX1qap7o8o1_500.jpg

2002 is definitely Y2K era. It has always been and always will be if you ask me.

"Image hosted by Angelfire" definitely brings me back to the early 2000s  ;D

"Image hosted by Angelfire" definitely brings me back to the early 2000s  ;D


Me too! The kings of early 00's websites hosts were Angelfire and Geocities.

More comparsions!!!!

1998:
http://gdaimages.s3.amazonaws.com/band/bio2_group.jpg

2002:
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/3f/58/ae/3f58ae08203c54ca3156f592904edd73.jpg

2006 (I guess this is more dressier but it shows what people were more interested in in 2006 when it came out bands and what was cool than in 2002):
http://assets.rollingstone.com/assets/images/story/green-day-go-green-20061228/20121007-greenday-env-thumb-306x306-1349717582.jpg

A post-hardcore band in 1998 (maybe 1999-ish but close enough. They had the same look in both years):
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/H-_IP1cgPgM/hqdefault.jpg

Post-Hardcore in 2002 (the rest of the band look like Nu Metallers but singer has a god damn Dawson's Creek haircut. How can I take all that screaming seriously with that silly haircut!?!? Who had Dawson's Creek haircuts in 2006, anyway?):
http://www.kboing.com.br/fotos/imagens/4ab277e54f03f.jpg

Fake Post-Hardcore for MySpace in 2006:
http://www.mtv.com/shared/promoimages/bands/a/aiden/artist_platform/Aiden.jpg

1998:
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-6pw-mJ7MRvE/U4O6AGWj4AI/AAAAAAAALUg/lTvOtWIg_4M/s1600/Dirty+Work+hookers+Artie+Lange+Norm+MacDonald.jpg

2002:
http://c8.alamy.com/comp/BPJ7WW/parry-shen-jerod-mixon-dj-qualls-the-new-guy-2002-BPJ7WW.jpg

2006:
http://images4.fanpop.com/image/photos/22700000/High-School-Musical-zac-efron-22735877-1210-908.jpg

1998:
http://blog.ambushboardco.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/OldPhoto1-300x201.jpg

2002:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B6Y9MwTCQAEGSE8.jpg

2006:
http://images3.mtv.com/uri/mgid:file:docroot:mtv.com:/content/ontv/vma/2006/images/galleries/panic_at_the_disco/images/01_h.jpg?enlarge=false&matte=true&matteColor=black&quality=0.85

Glassjaw is a band that strongly influenced early My Chemical Romance. Let's see what they looked like in 1998 (I think. It might be 1999 but they still had the same look):
http://www.spirit-of-metal.com/les%20goupes/G/Glassjaw/pics/1.jpg

My Chemical Romance are a band that had such a strong influence on 2000's culture. Let's see what they looked like in 2002:
http://40.media.tumblr.com/0ced813542667bece1a381d5f5187bd9/tumblr_mk4meuhTlx1s1lqheo1_1280.jpg

My Chemical Romance in 2006:
http://www.njarts.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/my-chemical-romance-maxwells.jpg

Even My Chemical Romance wasn't 2000's like in 2002. Their style is exactly like the 1998 Glassjaw style and extremely far removed from their 2006 incarnation.

1998:
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-vDf9JAbIWrM/Vja6aJtR8wI/AAAAAAAACM0/tlOjEVEcr3U/s1600/wisecrack2.JPG

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-2u5zRbd8vMc/UU3h8MgnShI/AAAAAAAAAkk/n8MeUYEhgMo/s1600/lesser_value_02.gif

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-ySqfDGl4qmk/TWP6cc7WllI/AAAAAAAAAEQ/9Fq9Wj3J9WI/s1600/bankshot2.jpg

https://i.gyazo.com/790c0d5b2513fff6077b642c982846f2.png

2002:
https://i.gyazo.com/610c08757c4a4b03f4f4b70ae0bbbee4.png

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-KbyeG5Jr4EQ/UyO8WJ6a4fI/AAAAAAAABHQ/WdQ9Ey8SPqA/s1600/shortfall.jpg

https://behindthescenegloucestershiregigguide.files.wordpress.com/2015/04/image-12.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-MT7IPW6d7uY/VOfnbF-vJ3I/AAAAAAAAB2s/g4Hk0D5DlmE/s1600/hatrick.jpg

2006:
http://emo-fever.com/images/emo-band-panic-at-the-disco-004.jpg

http://cps-static.rovicorp.com/3/JPG_400/MI0001/434/MI0001434951.jpg?partner=allrovi.com

http://iv1.lisimg.com/image/104728/542full-the-academy-is.jpg

I fail to see how 2002 has anything in common with 2006 at all. 2002 doesn't feel like a 2000's year whereas 2006 feels like a full-fledged 2000's year. 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001 and 2002 have more in common with each other than they do the respective decades they belong to but if I had to choose which decade I'd fit them in best, I'd pick the 90's for sure.

This video below is the definitive example of 2002 fashion:

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2002-2003 to me are apart of the Y2K era. 2002 is still core Y2K. And 2003 is the year the ends the era . Every era needs a year that will end it, but 2002 has too much in common with 1998-2001. So not including 2002 is odd. 2003 for the most part is Y2K. Early 2003 was just like 2002. Mid 2003 was when the era was fading, but it was just the beginning. For the most part it was still Y2K. By the end of 2003 or early 2004 you could say the era had ended.

2002-2003 to me are apart of the Y2K era. 2002 is still core Y2K. And 2003 is the year the ends the era . Every era needs a year that will end it, but 2002 has too much in common with 1998-2001. So not including 2002 is odd. 2003 for the most part is Y2K. Early 2003 was just like 2002. Mid 2003 was when the era was fading, but it was just the beginning. For the most part it was still Y2K. By the end of 2003 or early 2004 you could say the era had ended.


This is 100% true. If you look at the examples above I've sent, you'll see that 2002 fashion was much closer to anything from 1998 than it is from 2006. The video I sent from 2002 could not at all be released in 2006 but I can see it coming out in 1998 for sure. Those are the clothes we wore and that's the music we listened to back in the Y2K era. The only Fall Out Boy we had in the early 00's is the one that sounded like a second-rate (but still pretty rad) New Found Glory. Fall Out Boy in 2006 was all about Edgar Allen Poe poetry and Myspace themes. We didn't have MySpace in 2002 nor did we care about Eddie's poetry (sorry, Ed. Nothing personal). 2002 was about being a carefree slacker with spiky hair. 2006 was about focusing on your poetry, MySpace angle and being in plays and theater productions.

This is 100% true. If you look at the examples above I've sent, you'll see that 2002 fashion was much closer to anything from 1998 than it is from 2006. The video I sent from 2002 could not at all be released in 2006 but I can see it coming out in 1998 for sure. Those are the clothes we wore and that's the music we listened to back in the Y2K era. The only Fall Out Boy we had in the early 00's is the one that sounded like a second-rate (but still pretty rad) New Found Glory. Fall Out Boy in 2006 was all about Edgar Allen Poe poetry and Myspace themes. We didn't have MySpace in 2002 nor did we care about Eddie's poetry (sorry, Ed. Nothing personal). 2002 was about being a carefree slacker with spiky hair. 2006 was about focusing on your poetry, MySpace angle and being in plays and theater productions.


Yeah, 2002 was closer to 1998 than 2006 (2002 is 4 years apart from 1998 and 2006, but culturally it has more in common with 1998). 2002 still had that Xtreme! vibe that 2006 lacked. When looking at the fashion, music, shows, games, commercials, and heck even slang you'd notice how dated 2002 was by the time we even got to 2006.

Yeah, 2002 was closer to 1998 than 2006 (2002 is 4 years apart from 1998 and 2006, but culturally it has more in common with 1998). 2002 still had that Xtreme! vibe that 2006 lacked. When looking at the fashion, music, shows, games, commercials, and heck even slang you'd notice how dated 2002 was by the time we even got to 2006.


It's funny to think about it like that since 1998 did not feel at all that long ago in 2002 but 2002 felt worlds away in 2006. 2002 was very much strong with the Xtreme! you can even see it in the examples. The clothing in 2002 is very casual and is pretty much a continuation of what was fully established in 1998. Baseball caps, television repair man shirts, t-shirt over long sleeves, spiky hair, beanies, dreadlocks, chains, baggy jeans and/or dickies + 3/4 shorts. Very skate influenced but you can also see some remains of the mid 90's in both the 1998 and 2002 examples I've provided. None in 2006. The style in 2006 might be a little outdated but it still looks so recent. You can see really how 2002 is an extension of 1998 since it basically built upon all the 1998 trends whereas 2006 built upon 2004's trends. The Y2K era may be a bit digital but it still has that warm humbly analog feeling. 2006 feels completely digital. And don't get me started on the music, movies and Television! 2002 felt nothing at all like 2006 in those departments, either.

Jordan bro. I don't know about 2002. :-\\
The 2002-03 school year at the time felt quite different to the 2001-02 school year at the time. ABC One Saturday morning became ABC kids, Zoog Disney became Regular Disney channel, Kids Next Door and Bill & Mandy premiered, WWF was now WWE, 6th gen gaming was totally THE rage now, Jimmy Neutron debuted, Whats New Scooby Doo, Dead Zone, George Lopez,  8 Simple Rules also all premiered, Fox Kids also became FOX BOX, Yu Gi oh now overtook Pokemon as the most popular kids fad, Digimon wasn't that popular anymore. NBA was no longer on NBC, and now on ABC, John Madden was now Al Michales broadcast partner on MNF, VHS started to decline, man a lot of things happened that school year it seems like.
That was the definitve early 2000s school year.

Jordan bro. I don't know about 2002. :-\\
The 2002-03 school year at the time felt quite different to the 2001-02 school year at the time. ABC One Saturday morning became ABC kids, Zoog Disney became Regular Disney channel, Kids Next Door and Bill & Mandy premiered, WWF was now WWE, 6th gen gaming was totally THE rage now, Jimmy Neutron debuted, Whats New Scooby Doo, Dead Zone, George Lopez,  8 Simple Rules also all premiered, Fox Kids also became FOX BOX, Yu Gi oh now overtook Pokemon as the most popular kids fad, Digimon wasn't that popular anymore. NBA was no longer on NBC, and now on ABC, John Madden was now Al Michales broadcast partner on MNF, VHS started to decline, man a lot of things happened that school year it seems like.
That was the definitve early 2000s school year.


It's cool man but just listen to some of my points here. I definitely think 2002 is core Y2K.

Those are mostly kids channels that I don't know too much about. You'd know more than I do.

But here's some points:
- Didn't Billy and Mandy premier as Grim and Evil in 2001 and remain under that title in 2002 then became Billy and Mandy in 2003? I've also heard Kids Next Door (never really watched it myself) went through changes around 2004-2005 and became more of a serious show that had a deeper story line.
- WWE/WWF and Al Michale's... Ehhh... Those are things I don't remember really changing much but I guess I can give you that one. 
- 6th generation gaming was already rising since 1999 and 2000 but the 5th generation was still considerably popular and lasted throughout 2002.
- Jimmy Neutron had a movie in 2001. The TV show stayed pretty consist to that movie as I recall.
- What's New Scooby Doo doesn't really seem all that mid 00's to me. I can see it coming out in 1998 and 1999.
- I don't remember too much about George Lopez or Dead Zone as I haven't seen them in so long but  you could say the same about shows like Charmed and That 70's Show or Malcolm in the Middle which premiered in 1998 and 2000 and lasted until 2006 or so. Remember, in 2004 a lot of shows went through changes but some remained Y2K-like.
- I've heard so many different opinions about Pokemon. I've been told Yu Gi Oh and Pokemon were still at equal footing in 2002 and Pokemon's peak was 1998-2003. This is pretty debatable so I dunno what to say.
- VHS was still more popular than DVD in 2002 but DVD was rising in popularity since it's US debut in 1997.

Jordan bro. I don't know about 2002. :-\\
The 2002-03 school year at the time felt quite different to the 2001-02 school year at the time. ABC One Saturday morning became ABC kids, Zoog Disney became Regular Disney channel, Kids Next Door and Bill & Mandy premiered, WWF was now WWE, 6th gen gaming was totally THE rage now, Jimmy Neutron debuted, Whats New Scooby Doo, Dead Zone, George Lopez,  8 Simple Rules also all premiered, Fox Kids also became FOX BOX, Yu Gi oh now overtook Pokemon as the most popular kids fad, Digimon wasn't that popular anymore. NBA was no longer on NBC, and now on ABC, John Madden was now Al Michales broadcast partner on MNF, VHS started to decline, man a lot of things happened that school year it seems like.
That was the definitve early 2000s school year.


Wow, this is the first time I've heard somebody give out the differences between the 2001-02 season and the 2002-03 season. Those years felt the same to me, those were the main early 2000's cultural school years. I always thought of 2002 being the quintessential year of early 2000's culture, while 1999 was the quintessential year of late 90's culture, but since millennial/Y2K means late 90's AND early 2000's combined together. I always thought that 1998 or 1999-2002 was the core era. I've noticed a lot of people (not you) get the word millennial confused with Y2K and think it means something completely different, people who believe that Y2K means late 90's culture ONLY (which I've noticed from most people), people who believe millennial means late 90's & early 2000's combined togther, etc. I think I've mentioned this before though.

Wow, this is the first time I've heard somebody give out the differences between the 2001-02 season and the 2002-03 season. Those years felt the same to me, those were the main early 2000's cultural school years. I always thought of 2002 being the quintessential year of early 2000's culture, while 1999 was the quintessential year of late 90's culture, but since millennial/Y2K means late 90's AND early 2000's combined together. I always thought that 1998 or 1999-2002 was the core era. I've noticed a lot of people (not you) get the word millennial confused with Y2K and think it means something completely different, people who believe that Y2K means late 90's culture ONLY (which I've noticed from most people), people who believe millennial means late 90's & early 2000's combined togther, etc. I think I've mentioned this before though.


I'm sure you've heard me say this more than a billion times but I think you could call 2000-2002 years of the late 90's or 1998-1999 years of the early 00's. I think I make a good case and my examples seem to be good proof of this. I strongly believe the fashion, the music, the trends, they all felt the same even while living through them. I knew that 2000-2002 was a distant memory when I went to Warped Tour 2005 and saw where the focus was at. It was different than the early 2000's. 2002 felt like a distant world in 2006 but 1998 felt like yesterday in 2002 despite the time length being the same. It wasn't until 2003 that the real changes started to take place. 

Wow, this is the first time I've heard somebody give out the differences between the 2001-02 season and the 2002-03 season. Those years felt the same to me, those were the main early 2000's cultural school years. I always thought of 2002 being the quintessential year of early 2000's culture, while 1999 was the quintessential year of late 90's culture, but since millennial/Y2K means late 90's AND early 2000's combined together. I always thought that 1998 or 1999-2002 was the core era. I've noticed a lot of people (not you) get the word millennial confused with Y2K and think it means something completely different, people who believe that Y2K means late 90's culture ONLY (which I've noticed from most people), people who believe millennial means late 90's & early 2000's combined togther, etc. I think I've mentioned this before though.

2001-02, 2002-03, and 2003-04 seasons all had something a little different about them, imo.
And the mid 2000s were the most inconsistent of the decade ARGUABLY, the 2004-05 school year felt a bit different than the 2005-06 school year.
The late 2000s years kinda just blend together for me personally.

Also, it may seem controversial for what I'm about to say; but I don't give a crap! ;D  The 2002-03 season felt more like the 2003-04 season than the 2001-02 season.

You are entitled to your opinion but I am going to strongly, strongly disagree. You could say "The 2003 of the 2002-2003 season felt more like 2003-2004 but the 2002 part was more like 2001-2002" and then I'd agree.

Well I guess it's also up to personal experience as well. Most should remember that there is no 100% accurate answer. Different opinions will be nothing more than just opinions, I suppose. From what I remember 2002-2003 didn't feel that much different than 2001-2002. As mentioned before 2000-2003 is all Y2K to me.  And one's location can also be a factor. But this is all from my own memories/experiences.

Kids, always remember that opinions=/= fact. Not even mine.

Well I guess it's also up to personal experience as well. Most should remember that there is no 100% accurate answer. Different opinions will be nothing more than just opinions, I suppose. From what I remember 2002-2003 didn't feel that much different than 2001-2002. As mentioned before 2000-2003 is all Y2K to me.  And one's location can also be a factor. But this is all from my own memories/experiences.

Kids, always remember that opinions=/= fact. Not even mine.


My opinion is that 1998-2002 all felt very similar and pretty much like the same era. 2003 is when I felt the changes but it's still pretty Y2K and 2004 is when the changes really cemented and the 2000's came into it's own. I guess other people have different experiences or whatever.

Jordan wid da factz.

My opinion is that 1998-2002 all felt very similar and pretty much like the same era. 2003 is when I felt the changes but it's still pretty Y2K and 2004 is when the changes really cemented and the 2000's came into it's own. I guess other people have different experiences or whatever.

Jordan wid da factz.


1998-2003 (1998 being the start. 2003 being the transistion. And 1999-2002 being the core years) is Y2K to me. But that's the great thing about culture. Even though we all experienced it we still end up butting heads on certain things due to experiences. 2004-2007 is core 2000s to me. With 2008-2009 being late 2000s.

1998-2003 (1998 being the start. 2003 being the transistion. And 1999-2002 being the core years) is Y2K to me. But that's the great thing about culture. Even though we all experienced it we still end up butting heads on certain things due to experiences. 2004-2007 is core 2000s to me. With 2008-2009 being late 2000s.

I'd say late 2006-mid 2008 were the also late 2000s. with late 2008-2009 being the VERY late 2000s.
2004-2007 were the core 00s, but there is a difference between core and mid. late 2006 and 2007 were late 00s, and 2004-mid 2006 was mid 00s.

I'd say late 2006-mid 2008 were the also late 2000s. with late 2008-2009 being the VERY late 2000s.
2004-2007 were the core 00s, but there is a difference between core and mid. late 2006 and 2007 were late 00s, and 2004-mid 2006 was mid 00s.


Yeah, "mid" is usually when I'm referring to the numerically middle years of decade. "Core" is when I'm referring to the years where the culture of a decade as at its peak to the point where it may not relate with other eras as well. In my post I was mostly referring to the cultural parts of the decade instead of the numerical parts. But I see where you're coming from.

1998-2003 (1998 being the start. 2003 being the transistion. And 1999-2002 being the core years) is Y2K to me. But that's the great thing about culture. Even though we all experienced it we still end up butting heads on certain things due to experiences. 2004-2007 is core 2000s to me. With 2008-2009 being late 2000s.


Personally, I think 1998 is kind of like 2004 in a way. They're both core years of their era thanks to the transitions of the previous year (1997 and 2003) so I'd put 1998 as a core Y2K year (this is the first year that the grunge style was pretty much dead and the early 00's trends started getting pretty strong) but I can see why you'd say 1999. Haha, isn't that the truth! I agree 100% with what you'd say the core and late 00's is, too.

Personally, I think 1998 is kind of like 2004 in a way. They're both core years of their era thanks to the transitions of the previous year (1997 and 2003) so I'd put 1998 as a core Y2K year (this is the first year that the grunge style was pretty much dead and the early 00's trends started getting pretty strong) but I can see why you'd say 1999. Haha, isn't that the truth! I agree 100% with what you'd say the core and late 00's is, too.


Hm, you have a point there. Usually in order for a the core years of an era to begin there must be a transitional year that precedes it. For example 2004 is a core 2000s year to me with 2003 being the transitional year that precedes it. So yeah it would be 1998-2002 as the core years of Y2K. I said 1999 earlier as that's I noticed A LOT of Y2K things coming around. The trend of being Xtreme! was at it's peak in the Y2K era. For example the X-Games can be seen as the event that made being Xtreme! be a popular thing. 1999 is when the X-Games was had the most amount of attendees, Tony Hawk performed the 900, the introduction of tons of Xtreme! games (mainly Tony Haw games), Xtreme sports channel in 1999, Xtreme shows such as Rocket Power etc. 1998-2002 isn't wrong either as it is accurate. 1997 is the transitional year of the 1990's year. So going by natural logic 1998 would be the start of the Y2K era. Up until 2003 where things begin to change again. What's funny is that to me 1997 and 2003 have similar roles, but are different to me besides being a part of different decades. 1997 is transitional, but can still be seen to be more core '90s than Y2K. 2003 is transitional, but is more Y2K than core '00s to me. Again this is just from my experience, research, and discussions.


There is more to the Y2K era than being Xtreme, but I sometimes focus on the Xtreme culture due to it being one of the things that greatly define the era.

Hm, you have a point there. Usually in order for a the core years of an era to begin there must be a transitional year that precedes it. For example 2004 is a core 2000s year to me with 2003 being the transitional year that precedes it. So yeah it would be 1998-2002 as the core years of Y2K. I said 1999 earlier as that's I noticed A LOT of Y2K things coming around. The trend of being Xtreme! was at it's peak in the Y2K era. For example the X-Games can be seen as the event that made being Xtreme! be a popular thing. 1999 is when the X-Games was had the most amount of attendees, Tony Hawk performed the 900, the introduction of tons of Xtreme! games (mainly Tony Haw games), Xtreme sports channel in 1999, Xtreme shows such as Rocket Power etc. 1998-2002 isn't wrong either as it is accurate. 1997 is the transitional year of the 1990's year. So going by natural logic 1998 would be the start of the Y2K era. Up until 2003 where things begin to change again.


For me, 1998 was when I saw lot of things get established for the Y2K era. The photos above I've posted, that look goes as far back as... hell, the 80's but in the core 90's it co-existing with the flannel and grungy styles until 1997 when that was being fazed out. There was a bit of the mid 90's style left until 2003 but the in fashion then was mostly the baggy pants, t-shirt, chain wallet/necklace and basecap cap. Stuff like Nu Metal and Pop Punk, too. In 1997, the early 00's style of Pop Punk, Post-Grunge and Nu Metal were being established thanks to albums like Limp's Pop and Disorderly, Creed's (8-P) My Own Prison, Riverfenix's debut and Limp Bizkit's Three Dolla Bill Yallz (or whatever it's called) and then in 1998 it was pretty much established with the singles from Creed's 1997 album, Nickelback's The State, KoRn's Follow the Leader, Slayer's Diabolus in Musica, Home Grown's Act Your Age, MxPx's Slowly Going the Way of the Buffalo, Zebrahead's Waste of Mind, etc., etc. Not to mention blink's big Poo Poo Pee Pee Tour and KoRn's Family Values Tour with pretty much solidified the early 00's Pop Punk and Nu Metal scenes. I can see why you'd say 1999 thanks to Tony Hawk and the X-Games because it was more prominent or even albums like Enema of the State and a Place in the Sun which furthered Y2K Pop Punk's success. But 1998 definitely felt very Xtreme! to me since this was when the X-Games was rising in prominence and skateboarder fashion was the in thing to be wearing. I think 1998-2002 are all very important years to the Y2K era that you can't ignore.

For me, 1998 was when I saw lot of things get established for the Y2K era. The photos above I've posted, that look goes as far back as... hell, the 80's but in the core 90's it co-existing with the flannel and grungy styles until 1997 when that was being fazed out. There was a bit of the mid 90's style left until 2003 but the in fashion then was mostly the baggy pants, t-shirt, chain wallet/necklace and basecap cap. Stuff like Nu Metal and Pop Punk, too. In 1997, the early 00's style of Pop Punk, Post-Grunge and Nu Metal were being established thanks to albums like Limp's Pop and Disorderly, Creed's (8-P) My Own Prison, Riverfenix's debut and Limp Bizkit's Three Dolla Bill Yallz (or whatever it's called) and then in 1998 it was pretty much established with the singles from Creed's 1997 album, Nickelback's The State, KoRn's Follow the Leader, Slayer's Diabolus in Musica, Home Grown's Act Your Age, MxPx's Slowly Going the Way of the Buffalo, Zebrahead's Waste of Mind, etc., etc. Not to mention blink's big Poo Poo Pee Pee Tour and KoRn's Family Values Tour with pretty much solidified the early 00's Pop Punk and Nu Metal scenes. I can see why you'd say 1999 thanks to Tony Hawk and the X-Games because it was more prominent or even albums like Enema of the State and a Place in the Sun which furthered Y2K Pop Punk's success. But 1998 definitely felt very Xtreme! to me since this was when the X-Games was rising in prominence and skateboarder fashion was the in thing to be wearing. I think 1998-2002 are all very important years to the Y2K era that you can't ignore.


Again I was mostly focusing on the Xtreme! culture of Y2K which is why I said the core years were 1999-2002. You seem to be looking at many other things such as fashion and music from Y2K. Which is why I understand your reasoning for 1998-2002. To me 2002 is Y2K. 1998 is not very different from 2002 so by logic 1998 would also be Y2K. 1997 is when the differences are a bit more noticeable. 1997 is a core '90s year while 2002 is a Y2K year. 1998-2002 are very important years of the Y2K era indeed. Listening to the sound of the music (1998 was when Nu Metal got into popularity and by the end of the early '00s it declined), the trends in fashion (you've already gave decent examples of this), commercial trends (you'd notice how a lot of commercials between 1998-2002 involved people riding bikes, skateboards, scooters to be Xtreme), food (again this was when a lot of food products used the word "Xtreme!" in their names like the "Disney Xtreme Coolers" in 2002) etc. There was a lot of things that 1998-2002 shared. My 1999-2002 was mostly my mistake for just paying attention to the Xtreme! culture of Y2K. Even in other threads I've stated that I've seen 1998-2002/3 as one whole era.

Again I was mostly focusing on the Xtreme! culture of Y2K which is why I said the core years were 1999-2002. You seem to be looking at many other things such as fashion and music from Y2K. Which is why I understand your reasoning for 1998-2002. To me 2002 is Y2K. 1998 is not very different from 2002 so by logic 1998 would also be Y2K. 1997 is when the differences are a bit more noticeable. 1997 is a core '90s year while 2002 is a Y2K year. 1998-2002 are very important years of the Y2K era indeed. Listening to the sound of the music (1998 was when Nu Metal got into popularity and by the end of the early '00s it declined), the trends in fashion (you've already gave decent examples of this), commercial trends (you'd notice how a lot of commercials between 1998-2002 involved people riding bikes, skateboards, scooters to be Xtreme), food (again this was when a lot of food products used the word "Xtreme!" in their names) etc. There was a lot of things that 1998-2002 shared. My 1999-2002 was mostly my mistake for just paying attention to the Xtreme! culture of Y2K. Even in other threads I've stated that I've seen 1998-2002/3 as one whole era.


True, that is a good point. I can see why 1999 would be when the Xtreme! Y2K started picking up especially because of Tony Hawk's Pro-Skater and him doing the 900 (which was rad. I saw that one TV way back) but 1998 was indeed Xtreme! Just personally I don't like not including 1998 and 2002 as core Y2K years. When I see people say "1999-2001" I gotta scratch my head! It looks incomplete to me. When I see "1998-2002" it feels complete and lines up with my experience during those times. I agree. Just looking at the music, movies, tv shows, fashion and commercials, you see strong connections and the same vibe between all of the Y2K years. The last great era for skateboarding and Pop Punk when it was still connected to it's roots if you ask me.

True, that is a good point. I can see why 1999 would be when the Xtreme! Y2K started picking up especially because of Tony Hawk's Pro-Skater and him doing the 900 (which was rad. I saw that one TV way back) but 1998 was indeed Xtreme! Just personally I don't like not including 1998 and 2002 as core Y2K years. When I see people say "1999-2001" I gotta scratch my head! It looks incomplete to me. When I see "1998-2002" it feels complete and lines up with my experience during those times. I agree. Just looking at the music, movies, tv shows, fashion and commercials, you see strong connections and the same vibe between all of the Y2K years. The last great era for skateboarding and Pop Punk when it was still connected to it's roots if you ask me.


1999-2001? I made the mistake of saying that 1999 is the start of the core Y2K era as it implies that 1998 was transitional which it wasn't for the most part. Saying 2001 is the end of the core Y2K era also implies that 2002 was the transitional year which also isn't the case. 2001-2002 and 1998-1999 were very much alike to me. And 2000 is Y2K by default because of obvious reasons.

1999-2001? I made the mistake of saying that 1999 is the start of the core Y2K era as it implies that 1998 was transitional which it wasn't for the most part. Saying 2001 is the end of the core Y2K era also implies that 2002 was the transitional year which also isn't the case. 2001-2002 and 1998-1999 were very much alike to me. And 2000 is Y2K by default because of obvious reasons.


Yeah, I mean in general I see "1999-2001" on the forum sometimes. It's a lot different in real life where most people I've come across will actually accept 2000-2003 as a part of the 90's, no questions asked. I agree with both points. 1998 and 2002 are definitely not transitional years in any sense and definitely feel full Y2K era just like 1999-2001 do. Haha, could you imagine? "2000 is not Y2K era! That ended in 1999!" What a weird and funny statement that would be.

Yeah, I mean in general I see "1999-2001" on the forum sometimes. It's a lot different in real life where most people I've come across will actually accept 2000-2003 as a part of the 90's, no questions asked. I agree with both points. 1998 and 2002 are definitely not transitional years in any sense and definitely feel full Y2K era just like 1999-2001 do. Haha, could you imagine? "2000 is not Y2K era! That ended in 1999!" What a weird and funny statement that would be.


Yeah, 1999-2001 is a bit odd when thinking about it. And same to me when I see people see 2000-2003 as an extension of the 1990s (although I mostly see the "1990s didn't end until 2004" posts in some areas of the web). As for saying "2000 is not Y2K era! That ended in 1999" I will literally call out how stupid that sounds. If the era ended in 1999 then we wouldn't call it Y2K! We'd just call it the "late '90s". And why would you call it Y2K when the actual year 2000 (also known as Y2K) isn't included?  ??? What's making me laugh at this is the fact that I know somewhere in the world that there are probably people who think that way.

Yeah, 1999-2001 is a bit odd when thinking about it. And same to me when I see people see 2000-2003 as an extension of the 1990s (although I mostly see the "1990s didn't end until 2004" posts in some areas of the web). As for saying "2000 is not Y2K era! That ended in 1999" I will literally call out how stupid that sounds. If the era ended in 1999 then we wouldn't call it Y2K! We'd just call it the "late '90s". And why would you call it Y2K when the actual year 2000 (also known as Y2K) isn't included?  ??? What's making me laugh at this is the fact that I know somewhere in the world that there are probably people who think that way.


It looks so incomplete to me. I see 1998-2002 and think "Yeah! That's the era!" I even asked my sister (started High School in 1999) while I was in a call with her a little bit earlier and even though she's not into this stuff as much as me she said "yeah, that's when we were in High School and all the Nu Metal and the Pop Punk and Skateboarding stuff you like was big. 1998-2002 seems about right." I see the "ended in 2004" posts quite a bit, too. It's not really wrong as the wacky cartoony vibe of the 90's was still around until early 2004. It makes me laugh, too. It's like, Y2K literally means Year 2000! I remember years ago, there was this dude I argued with in a record store. He insisted "Everything changed in 2000!!" Funny stuff.

Rock and fashion changed so much in 2003 it's not even funny. Bands still played the 1998 styles of music in 2002.

The hair is definitely a lot different in 2002, too. You choose people that have hairstyles that weren't at all too common and clothes that are more dressier than what people normally wore in 2002 aside from Jimmy Eat World. They dressed exactly like that in 1998, too. I don't really see how that's specifically 2006 fashion 'cause it's so plain. If anything, an Emo band wearing that plain fashion distinctly makes it late 90's and early 00's. It's also too loose to be 2006. I could send you photos of Justin Pearson, Refused and Grinspoon from 1998 who had the same 2002 hairstyles and clothing as you've shown and say it's what 1998 fashion was all about but that'd be really inaccurate.

Let's compare:

1998 fashion:
https://i.gyazo.com/b758e628fd8c2e03abba15b7f47da01c.png

2002 fashion:
http://i.skyrock.net/5388/41945388/pics/3017863485_1_3_VMNY2xVT.jpg

2006:
http://www.100xr.com/artists/D/Daughtry/Daughtry-band-2006.jpg

1998:
http://www.947.fm/image/knrk2/UserFiles/Image/416346_10150709930849591_1848333217_o.jpg

2002:
https://i.gyazo.com/55acb9ae4cfc3045dd37d2b38f028fca.png

2006:
http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lxnjtskHqX1qap7o8o1_500.jpg


I don't see that much of a difference between the 2002 and 2006 pictures to be honest. Looking it up for myself, I think you're only choosing the most corniest, most dated aspects of 2002 and comparing them to 2006. My sister graduated high school in 2004. She told me her high school years were nothing like the '90s. She showed me her yearbook and high school pictures, which look nothing like the '90s, save for her freshman year (fall 2000). Her junior year looked especially different from her freshman year, and none of her male classmates dressed like the 2002 pictures you posted. I guess I will post more pictures besides just what was in the punk scene.
2002:
https://ioneglobalgrind.files.wordpress.com/2013/10/2235182.jpg?w=1024&h=1601
http://www4.pictures.zimbio.com/bg/Jessica+Alba+VH1+2002+Awards+r9Groff-RlVl.jpg
http://41.media.tumblr.com/5965447bfcb68c05f1417c82b90960b8/tumblr_n055vea9t81rdi7wyo1_1280.jpg
http://40.media.tumblr.com/688e228fca3255f4768a4f3b6c5e6412/tumblr_n9ag1suJwG1qlsd9ho1_500.jpg
http://media1.popsugar-assets.com/files/2012/10/42/1/192/1922398/76f5c80e702ac1eb_2070704_hewitt_j_l_b_gr_06.xxxlarge_wm/i/Jennifer-Love-Hewitt-John-Mayer-held-hands-while-running-errands.jpg
http://img.spokeo.com/public/900-600/michelle_branch_2002_11_04.jpg
http://www.geocities.ws/crazy_4_nickelback/Img002.JPG

2006:
http://www4.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/MTV+TRL+Ashanti+Jesse+Metcalfe+Cassie+vq4BeeDAvkil.jpg
http://cdn3.thr.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/gallery_portrait_1047x1572/2014/10/John_Mayer_Gallery_10.jpg
http://oi31.tinypic.com/2m4233c.jpg
http://img.huffingtonpost.com/asset/scalefit_600_noupscale/56abda4e1a00001001ab1a0d.jpeg
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/c9/2d/0f/c92d0f989295e89943f446d9b66fcc28.jpg
http://www.starmometer.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/Lifehouse-band-with-VJ-Bianca.jpg

The similarities are so obvious! These pictures were extremely easy to find. 2002 will always be pure aughts in my mind.

It looks so incomplete to me. I see 1998-2002 and think "Yeah! That's the era!" I even asked my sister (started High School in 1999) while I was in a call with her a little bit earlier and even though she's not into this stuff as much as me she said "yeah, that's when we were in High School and all the Nu Metal and the Pop Punk and Skateboarding stuff you like was big. 1998-2002 seems about right." I see the "ended in 2004" posts quite a bit, too. It's not really wrong as the wacky cartoony vibe of the 90's was still around until early 2004. It makes me laugh, too. It's like, Y2K literally means Year 2000! I remember years ago, there was this dude I argued with in a record store. He insisted "Everything changed in 2000!!" Funny stuff.


Everything changed in 2000 alright. Ever since 2000 all the year numbers start with a "2", man!  :o :( :-\\ But that's the only change I saw.  ::) Culture doesn't follow the rules of year numbers. For example 1990-1999 all are similar numerically, but culturally we saw a lot of changes. I tend to see Youtube comments saying "Why did things have to change as soon as we got to 2000?" (I literally copy and pasted this comment from youtube). Last time I checked 2000 is just 1999, but with a different year number.

I don't see that much of a difference between the 2002 and 2006 pictures to be honest. Looking it up for myself, I think you're only choosing the most corniest, most dated aspects of 2002 and comparing them to 2006. My sister graduated high school in 2004. She told me her high school years were nothing like the '90s. She showed me her yearbook and high school pictures, which look nothing like the '90s, save for her freshman year (fall 2000). Her junior year looked especially different from her freshman year, and none of her male classmates dressed like the 2002 pictures you posted. I guess I will post more pictures besides just what was in the punk scene.
2002:


2006:


The similarities are so obvious! These pictures were extremely easy to find. 2002 will always be pure aughts in my mind.


My sister graduated in 2003 and she said her years were pretty much like the late 90's. She even started High School in 1999! Her yearbooks from 1999-2003 and my later career yearbooks from 1998-2000 aren't different at all. The photos I chose weren't hard to find either so I don't know what you're trying to get at. I'm choosing the styles that were the most common and what most people wore, not just the corniest styles. The year was inherently corny so maybe that's why you feel this way. You could of even said "you just picked the corniest 1998 styles" and that wouldn't be true either. These were the 1998 and 2002 styles. Even the 2002 photos you've provided have a lot of differences from the 2006 photos. The clothing is clearly looser (in most cases) and a lot more casual. I don't see how the 2002 Justin Timberlake and the dude with Jennifer Low-Hewett (or even Jennifer herself) look distinctly mid 00's. That's a very casual style. You don't think people wore beanies, t-shirts and ripped jeans in the 90's? And oh god I don't know what to say about that last photo in your 2006 section. Dressing like that would get you called a "f*g" (the unfortunate truth) in 2002. Hell, you can find styles you've shown in the 2002 photos as far as 1998, too. Let's take a look at diz sh!t!

1998:
http://rocktheschools.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/grinspoon.jpg

http://www.metalmusicarchives.com/images/artists/refused-20131109120154.jpg

http://www.skyscrapermagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/Justin-Pearson.jpg

http://movie-roulette.com/photos_big/i-still-know-what-you-did-last-summer-1-1.jpeg

http://www.nyrock.com/imgs99/creed_03.jpg

http://www.timmcmahan.com/graphics/conor.jpg

https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSayKf9XIB8c9HZ887b0xpg_6tau3BKkEwUXiTouFjFbGGzJJV_QQ

http://www.allure.com/images/celebrity-trends/2011/09/jennifer-lopez-1998-mtv-movie-awards-red-carpet.jpg

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/ed/1e/64/ed1e644e3075a9b71ea9af090ff80e48.jpg

http://bigheadmax.free.fr/wallpapers/images/natalie_imbruglia_004.jpg

http://www.allure.com/images/celebrity-trends/2011/09/jennifer-lopez-1998-vmas-mark-wahlberg.jpg

http://cache3.asset-cache.net/gc/168883507-english-fashion-model-kate-moss-and-singer-gettyimages.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=GkZZ8bf5zL1ZiijUmxa7QUAAgQ6zIG8zaNAGXFCtpvkljtF2n2GHE57fb1gvwYk8ctNCGjvNONTfpGqKG%2F3Z9w%3D%3D

http://static.flickr.com/91/207596275_87110aea96.jpg

https://i.gyazo.com/3be2ad17725dcb83e956e143381c4244.png

And here, if you want to use JEW (I cannot see how they're a good example of the core 00's!) let's look at them from 1998-1999 where they dressed exactly the same as they did in 2001 and 2002:
http://www.audiophileusa.com/covers400water/53296b.jpg

http://www.punkrockgigs.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/jimmy.jpg

https://i.gyazo.com/0d4816ae407aea63b3e93a30841c3a5d.png

https://i.gyazo.com/cd6f79a602cbce49efe2ecb6e5704287.png

Even Zac whatshisface didn't look core 00's in 2002:
http://imgfave-herokuapp-com.global.ssl.fastly.net/image_cache/1357851059896631.jpg

You wouldn't say this was common 1998 style would you? Because it really isn't aside from Jimmy Eat World (excluding Rick with his bangs. Jim, Tom and Zach all look very common for 1998-2002) and that Zac dude (who wore hair like that in 2006? I knew tons of kids with that hair in 2002. Not 2006). My photos in previous posts for 1998 and 2002 are much better examples of what it was cool to look like. I'm not even talking just the Pop Punk scene, too. Simple Plan and Sum 41 were mainstream Pop Punk bands in the early 00's and they represent the style early 2000's style extremely well. Not even just that, some of the other photos are regular kids who just so happened to play in bands. In the 90's and early 00's, I would go on a lot of road trips and have been to many places. I saw how different people dressed in those days. Pop Punkers, Skaters, Nu Metalers, even just your general teenager. They looked, more often than not, like the photos I've shown you above. They didn't have to listen to Sum 41 or skate to look like that, either. You'd met kids who'd never even heard about blink-182 and looked like that. It's just the times, man. You see, in 2002, Skateboarder, Nu Metal and Pop Punk style was in. It doesn't matter who you were. The girls often dressed like Avril Lavigne or a more general tomboy style and dudes usually looked like blink-182, Sum 41 or Limp Bizkit. That Starting Line video is exactly how 2002 looked. I'm telling you, it's the definitive video for 2002 fashion. All those extras are regular kids who wore their usual clothes, not professional actors who were pampered and dressed up to look a certain way. It's much more comparable to 1998 than 2006. Trust me. I may not be hip today but I was throughout the 90's and 2000-2003. This is how things went. 

If you think 2002 is pure 2000's that is your opinion but I strongly disagree. In my opinion, the mighty 2002 could not be further away from the awful real 2000's. The last great year before all the changes started taking place. If you ask me, I've definitely provided some amazing examples. The fashion from 2002 I posted went away in 2003 and 2004. You'd never see people dress like Fall Out Boy, Aiden, Panic at the Disco or Cute is What We Aim for in 2002 unless they wanted to get a beating. Even My Chemical Romance didn't look core 2000's in those days.

Here's more simple regular young dudes in 1998 and 2002. Another good representation of 2002 and 1998 fashion:

2002:
(quite a bit of kids with spiky hair in this one just like the photos I sent in other posts)
http://history.cpet.ufl.edu/SSTP/SSTP2002/images/SSTP%202002%20Group%20Photo.jpg

http://www.lpi.usra.edu/lpiintern/alumni/images/intern_group/images/interns2002.jpg

http://www.nevis.columbia.edu/reu/2002/REU2002photo.jpg

http://www.d.umn.edu/~jgallian/photos/8.jpg

http://www.d.umn.edu/~jgallian/photos/6.jpg

http://www.d.umn.edu/~jgallian/photos/5.jpg

http://www.d.umn.edu/~jgallian/photos/4.jpg

http://www.d.umn.edu/~jgallian/photos/1.jpg

http://hydrogen.creighton.edu/oldchemweb/People/images/students/class_of_2002/Class2002.jpg

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_6XYsqI3rTqs/SdAVyHDde3I/AAAAAAAAABE/mPUEybixwok/s1600/school.jpg

http://educ.jmu.edu/~vanwykla/reu/02/group.jpg

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_6XYsqI3rTqs/SdAVyM-JekI/AAAAAAAAABM/56EudQbFLXk/s400/seniorball.jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_6XYsqI3rTqs/SdAVmKtGuaI/AAAAAAAAAAk/U1itTZySjT4/s400/home.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-B7GstsePrgo/UPldSxF1Z_I/AAAAAAAAEZY/TXlGlvEciYo/s640/2408_001.jpg

http://www.pcschools535.org/vimages/shared/vnews/stories/510813fe43a4a/1_1359483968998.jpg

http://www.dorahighschool.com/alumni/2002Yearbook/web/images/024_jpg.jpg

http://www.dorahighschool.com/alumni/2002Yearbook/web/images/017_jpg.jpg

http://www.dorahighschool.com/alumni/2002Yearbook/web/images/021_jpg.jpg

http://www.dorahighschool.com/alumni/2002Yearbook/web/images/011a_jpg.jpg

http://www.dorahighschool.com/alumni/2002Yearbook/web/images/042_jpg.jpg

(I know it says class of 2004 but it's from the 2002 year book)
http://www.dorahighschool.com/alumni/2002Yearbook/web/images/019_jpg.jpg

http://www.dorahighschool.com/alumni/2002Yearbook/web/images/013_jpg.jpg

http://www.dorahighschool.com/alumni/2002Yearbook/web/images/025_jpg.jpg

https://i.gyazo.com/fd93771e9a7e216faad62c1caadadb2a.png

https://forestrycamp.berkeley.edu/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/2002_composite.jpg

https://i.gyazo.com/266f872928dfc8104a69e467bd6c5d6b.png

https://i.gyazo.com/778fbfd95c3fa038d70bc102e1c15455.png

http://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth41236/m1/76/med_res/

http://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth38564/m1/141/med_res/

Now for 1998:
http://www.lpi.usra.edu/lpiintern/alumni/images/intern_group/images/interns1998.jpg

https://hlhsclassof1998.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/horn-lake-high-school-class-of-1998-21.jpg

http://kingsley.stanford.edu/lab_photos_through_time/1998.JPG

http://reu.chem.uconn.edu/wp-content/uploads/sites/159/2013/08/Group1998.gif

http://www.d.umn.edu/~jgallian/photos/Summer98_2.jpg

http://www.acad.carleton.edu/curricular/BIOL/faculty/mrand/lab/pictures/group1998-final.jpg

http://meridianhighclassof1998reunion.classquest.com/cqrfiles/sites/10000/10844/PageImages/633490484895000000_3275.jpg

http://www.pgbovine.net/cty-genetics-class.jpg

http://www.biology.wustl.edu/faculty/elgin/images/lab%20members/lab-1998.jpg

http://c8.alamy.com/comp/B4493G/gang-warfare-feature-may-1998-milngavie-teenagers-l-r-brian-gunnell-B4493G.jpg

http://math.iupui.edu/sites/default/files/1998-winners-1.jpg

http://www.theowlmag.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/DustinHighSchool1.jpg

http://familyhistory.themartyns.net/Images/MARTYN-Bryan_1998-07.jpg

http://dorahighschool.com/alumni/98Yearbook/web/images/098_jpg.jpg

http://dorahighschool.com/alumni/98Yearbook/web/images/103_jpg.jpg

http://dorahighschool.com/alumni/98Yearbook/web/images/107_jpg.jpg

http://dorahighschool.com/alumni/98Yearbook/web/images/101_jpg.jpg

http://dorahighschool.com/alumni/98Yearbook/web/images/100_jpg.jpg

http://dorahighschool.com/alumni/98Yearbook/web/images/104_jpg.jpg

https://i.gyazo.com/eaf95348158bd8b5d453d5d11827c28d.png

http://images.classmates.com/imgsvc/d?p=4908119140

http://dorahighschool.com/alumni/98Yearbook/web/images/125_jpg.jpg

They look exactly the same to me. Exactly how I remember 1998 and 2002 being.


Everything changed in 2000 alright. Ever since 2000 all the year numbers start with a "2", man!  :o :( :-\\ But that's the only change I saw.  ::) Culture doesn't follow the rules of year numbers. For example 1990-1999 all are similar numerically, but culturally we saw a lot of changes. I tend to see Youtube comments saying "Why did things have to change as soon as we got to 2000?" (I literally copy and pasted this comment from youtube). Last time I checked 2000 is just 1999, but with a different year number.


Haha, for sure man! If you look at it, 1990 and 1999 are completely different years! 1998 and 1999 have much more in common with 2000-2002 (years that start with a "2" oh my god! :o :o) than with 1990-1992. I saw one from a 1999 video that that said "Ah, the last breath of the 90's". Funny thing is, it's for a Pop Punk album that sounds 100% early 00's. ;D ;D

By the way, thoughts on my examples above (the uncommon and common ones)? Your 1998 and 2002 experiences seem to be pretty up to par with mine so I'd like to hear some thoughts. I think my photos are very, very accurate.

By the way, would you say that the difference between 2000 and 2002 is more noticeable if you're a pop fan and that the difference 2002 and 2004 is more apparent if you're a rock/pop-rock fan?

By the way, would you say that the difference between 2000 and 2002 is more noticeable if you're a pop fan and that the difference 2002 and 2004 is more apparent if you're a rock/pop-rock fan?


Not at all. Pop music developed an urban sound in 1996-1998 which co-existed with a more bubblegum sound throughout 2000-2002. You can find examples of both throughout each year.

My sister graduated in 2003 and she said her years were pretty much like the late 90's. She even started High School in 1999! Her yearbooks from 1999-2003 and my later career yearbooks from 1998-2000 aren't different at all. The photos I chose weren't hard to find either so I don't know what you're trying to get at. I'm choosing the styles that were the most common and what most people wore, not just the corniest styles. The year was inherently corny so maybe that's why you feel this way. You could of even said "you just picked the corniest 1998 styles" and that wouldn't be true either. These were the 1998 and 2002 styles. Even the 2002 photos you've provided have a lot of differences from the 2006 photos. The clothing is clearly looser (in most cases) and a lot more casual. I don't see how the 2002 Justin Timberlake and the dude with Jennifer Low-Hewett (or even Jennifer herself) look distinctly mid 00's. That's a very casual style. You don't think people wore beanies, t-shirts and ripped jeans in the 90's? And oh god I don't know what to say about that last photo in your 2006 section. Dressing like that would get you called a "f*g" (the unfortunate truth) in 2002. Hell, you can find styles you've shown in the 2002 photos as far as 1998, too. Let's take a look at diz sh!t!

1998:
http://rocktheschools.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/grinspoon.jpg

http://www.metalmusicarchives.com/images/artists/refused-20131109120154.jpg

http://www.skyscrapermagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/Justin-Pearson.jpg

http://movie-roulette.com/photos_big/i-still-know-what-you-did-last-summer-1-1.jpeg

http://www.nyrock.com/imgs99/creed_03.jpg

http://www.timmcmahan.com/graphics/conor.jpg

https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSayKf9XIB8c9HZ887b0xpg_6tau3BKkEwUXiTouFjFbGGzJJV_QQ

http://www.allure.com/images/celebrity-trends/2011/09/jennifer-lopez-1998-mtv-movie-awards-red-carpet.jpg

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/ed/1e/64/ed1e644e3075a9b71ea9af090ff80e48.jpg

http://bigheadmax.free.fr/wallpapers/images/natalie_imbruglia_004.jpg

http://www.allure.com/images/celebrity-trends/2011/09/jennifer-lopez-1998-vmas-mark-wahlberg.jpg

http://cache3.asset-cache.net/gc/168883507-english-fashion-model-kate-moss-and-singer-gettyimages.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=GkZZ8bf5zL1ZiijUmxa7QUAAgQ6zIG8zaNAGXFCtpvkljtF2n2GHE57fb1gvwYk8ctNCGjvNONTfpGqKG%2F3Z9w%3D%3D

http://static.flickr.com/91/207596275_87110aea96.jpg

https://i.gyazo.com/3be2ad17725dcb83e956e143381c4244.png

And here, if you want to use JEW (I cannot see how they're a good example of the core 00's!) let's look at them from 1998-1999 where they dressed exactly the same as they did in 2001 and 2002:
http://www.audiophileusa.com/covers400water/53296b.jpg

http://www.punkrockgigs.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/jimmy.jpg

https://i.gyazo.com/0d4816ae407aea63b3e93a30841c3a5d.png

https://i.gyazo.com/cd6f79a602cbce49efe2ecb6e5704287.png

Even Zac whatshisface didn't look core 00's in 2002:
http://imgfave-herokuapp-com.global.ssl.fastly.net/image_cache/1357851059896631.jpg

You wouldn't say this was common 1998 style would you? Because it really isn't aside from Jimmy Eat World (excluding Rick with his bangs. Jim, Tom and Zach all look very common for 1998-2002) and that Zac dude (who wore hair like that in 2006? I knew tons of kids with that hair in 2002. Not 2006). My photos in previous posts for 1998 and 2002 are much better examples of what it was cool to look like. I'm not even talking just the Pop Punk scene, too. Simple Plan and Sum 41 were mainstream Pop Punk bands in the early 00's and they represent the style early 2000's style extremely well. Not even just that, some of the other photos are regular kids who just so happened to play in bands. In the 90's and early 00's, I would go on a lot of road trips and have been to many places. I saw how different people dressed in those days. Pop Punkers, Skaters, Nu Metalers, even just your general teenager. They looked, more often than not, like the photos I've shown you above. They didn't have to listen to Sum 41 or skate to look like that, either. You'd met kids who'd never even heard about blink-182 and looked like that. It's just the times, man. You see, in 2002, Skateboarder, Nu Metal and Pop Punk style was in. It doesn't matter who you were. The girls often dressed like Avril Lavigne or a more general tomboy style and dudes usually looked like blink-182, Sum 41 or Limp Bizkit. That Starting Line video is exactly how 2002 looked. I'm telling you, it's the definitive video for 2002 fashion. All those extras are regular kids who wore their usual clothes, not professional actors who were pampered and dressed up to look a certain way. It's much more comparable to 1998 than 2006. Trust me. I may not be hip today but I was throughout the 90's and 2000-2003. This is how things went. 

If you think 2002 is pure 2000's that is your opinion but I strongly disagree. In my opinion, the mighty 2002 could not be further away from the awful real 2000's. The last great year before all the changes started taking place. If you ask me, I've definitely provided some amazing examples. The fashion from 2002 I posted went away in 2003 and 2004. You'd never see people dress like Fall Out Boy, Aiden, Panic at the Disco or Cute is What We Aim for in 2002 unless they wanted to get a beating. Even My Chemical Romance didn't look core 2000's in those days.

Here's more simple regular young dudes in 1998 and 2002. Another good representation of 2002 and 1998 fashion:

2002:
(quite a bit of kids with spiky hair in this one just like the photos I sent in other posts)
http://history.cpet.ufl.edu/SSTP/SSTP2002/images/SSTP%202002%20Group%20Photo.jpg

http://www.lpi.usra.edu/lpiintern/alumni/images/intern_group/images/interns2002.jpg

http://www.nevis.columbia.edu/reu/2002/REU2002photo.jpg

http://www.d.umn.edu/~jgallian/photos/8.jpg

http://www.d.umn.edu/~jgallian/photos/6.jpg

http://www.d.umn.edu/~jgallian/photos/5.jpg

http://www.d.umn.edu/~jgallian/photos/4.jpg

http://www.d.umn.edu/~jgallian/photos/1.jpg

http://hydrogen.creighton.edu/oldchemweb/People/images/students/class_of_2002/Class2002.jpg

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_6XYsqI3rTqs/SdAVyHDde3I/AAAAAAAAABE/mPUEybixwok/s1600/school.jpg

http://educ.jmu.edu/~vanwykla/reu/02/group.jpg

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_6XYsqI3rTqs/SdAVyM-JekI/AAAAAAAAABM/56EudQbFLXk/s400/seniorball.jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_6XYsqI3rTqs/SdAVmKtGuaI/AAAAAAAAAAk/U1itTZySjT4/s400/home.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-B7GstsePrgo/UPldSxF1Z_I/AAAAAAAAEZY/TXlGlvEciYo/s640/2408_001.jpg

Now for 1998:
http://www.lpi.usra.edu/lpiintern/alumni/images/intern_group/images/interns1998.jpg

https://hlhsclassof1998.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/horn-lake-high-school-class-of-1998-21.jpg

http://kingsley.stanford.edu/lab_photos_through_time/1998.JPG

http://reu.chem.uconn.edu/wp-content/uploads/sites/159/2013/08/Group1998.gif

http://www.d.umn.edu/~jgallian/photos/Summer98_2.jpg

http://www.acad.carleton.edu/curricular/BIOL/faculty/mrand/lab/pictures/group1998-final.jpg

http://www.pgbovine.net/cty-genetics-class.jpg

http://www.biology.wustl.edu/faculty/elgin/images/lab%20members/lab-1998.jpg

http://c8.alamy.com/comp/B4493G/gang-warfare-feature-may-1998-milngavie-teenagers-l-r-brian-gunnell-B4493G.jpg

They look exactly the same to me. Exactly how I remember 1998 and 2002 being.

Haha, for sure man! If you look at it, 1990 and 1999 are completely different years! 1998 and 1999 have much more in common with 2000-2002 (years that start with a "2" oh my god! :o :o) than with 1990-1992. I saw one from a 1999 video that that said "Ah, the last breath of the 90's". Funny thing is, it's for a Pop Punk album that sounds 100% early 00's. ;D ;D

By the way, thoughts on my examples above (the uncommon and common ones)? Your 1998 and 2002 experiences seem to be pretty up to par with mine so I'd like to hear some thoughts. I think my photos are very, very accurate.


Yeah 1998 & 2002 are practically the same

Yeah 1998 & 2002 are practically the same


For sure! The hair and clothing are all very similar throughout each of these years and these photos are exactly how people dressed back then. Both in the school photos I provided and in the band photos. That was the in-style back then from 1998 to 2003 for both me (a teen-young adult at the time) and my sister (a high schooler throughout the early 00s). It's all very colorful and fun.

For sure! The hair and clothing are all very similar throughout each of these years and these photos are exactly how people dressed back then. Both in the school photos I provided and in the band photos. That was the in-style back then from 1998 to 2003 for both me (a teen-young adult at the time) and my sister (a high schooler throughout the early 00s). It's all very colorful and fun.


I agree man, I was a kid during that time and everything was more colorful and 'In Your Face'! The mid/late 00's were pretty bland in comparison...

Yeah 1998 & 2002 are practically the same


Not practically the same, but very similar is a better phrase to describe 1998 and 2002.

I agree man, I was a kid during that time and everything was more colorful and 'In Your Face'! The mid/late 00's were pretty bland in comparison...


Exactly! They're all clothes that stick out. You can really tell what era they're a part of. The mid-late 00's didn't stick out at all side from the faux-Emo/scene stuff (which was still pretty boring). It was just the usual bangs, somewhat fitted t-shirt and faded jeans. No variety unlike 2000-2002.


Not practically the same, but very similar is a better phrase to describe 1998 and 2002.


I'd say they're pretty much the same. You can tell they're both a part of the same era if you ask me.

Is this picture from 1998-2001 or from 2002-2003? Could you guess? By the way, where is the thread where you guess when the photo above was taken?

https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/v/t1.0-9/285204_242059595815951_5746818_n.jpg?oh=3b679b1d648ff3a807dc666bbf8aa16b&oe=57693678&__gda__=1462752725_048b51526760e3688cc8c99b04bade85

Is this picture from 1998-2001 or from 2002-2003? Could you guess? By the way, where is the thread where you guess when the photo above was taken?

https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/v/t1.0-9/285204_242059595815951_5746818_n.jpg?oh=3b679b1d648ff3a807dc666bbf8aa16b&oe=57693678&__gda__=1462752725_048b51526760e3688cc8c99b04bade85


Here's a story about my experience of playing on playgrounds throughout my childhood. It was a roller coaster ride. In my hometown throughout 1998ish-2002 my mom would always take me and my sister to this really HUGE playground downtown and it literally felt like a huge maze to my young head. I remember being 3-5 always asking my mom to take us to the huge playground downtown, because the playground at my preschool/pre-K building was so tiny and boring as hell. It had everything. Multiple slides, swings, rope climbs, monkey bars, holes, xylophone instruments, etc. and it was HUGE, like the biggest playground in town. It would always be packed during the weekends with tons of young kids over there. I would get on by myself without any supervision when I was 3-5. It was in the utilities area where there's also areas for picnics, woods & lakes as well. After 2002 we stopped going there regularly for some reason. I remember some of my cross country meets being in that area throughout high school which gave me some epic flashbacks!

Now onto my playground experience throughout elementary school. I used to be terrible at the swings, when I was 3-5 I didn't know how to elevate myself in the air until when I was 6 (Spring 2002) when I finally did it, and for many days I went so high several times on the swings until I ended up falling off the swing and I hurt my leg so I said to myself "I'm never going this high again". I used to be terrible at monkey bars for a while too until I got the hang of it around 2nd or 3rd grade. Anyways, when I was in elementary school there were two separate playgrounds. The Kindergarten-2nd graders would play in the front playground, and the 3rd-5th graders would play in the back playground. I remember back in Kindergarten when the front playground used to be old, brown, wooden and rusty, and the summer before I started 1st grade in 2002 they built a brand new one that was colorful with many added features. It was great witnessing the front playground brand new, and to this day it's still there. Then the summer before 3rd grade back in 2004, right before I had to move to the back playground the school upgraded it so it would be larger. It was amazing. When I was in 4th & 5th grade I played basketball, freeze tag, hiding go seek, etc. more with my friends instead of getting on slides, swings, and monkey bars like I did throughout Kindergarten thru 3rd grade.

For sure! The hair and clothing are all very similar throughout each of these years and these photos are exactly how people dressed back then. Both in the school photos I provided and in the band photos. That was the in-style back then from 1998 to 2003 for both me (a teen-young adult at the time) and my sister (a high schooler throughout the early 00s). It's all very colorful and fun.


Just a brief comment, but if you're referring to yearbooks for photos, then usually the pictures were taken the year before that of the book, during the autumn.  So the 2002 photos would have technically been from 2001, around the time of 9/11, while the ones from the 1998 yearbook were really taken in the fall of 1997.  Usually, the school pictures are taken care of early on to give the yearbook company time to prepare everything.

Just a brief comment, but if you're referring to yearbooks for photos, then usually the pictures were taken the year before that of the book, during the autumn.  So the 2002 photos would have technically been from 2001, around the time of 9/11, while the ones from the 1998 yearbook were really taken in the fall of 1997.  Usually, the school pictures are taken care of early on to give the yearbook company time to prepare everything.


Throughout elementary & middle school we always did Fall pictures and Spring pictures. The Fall pictures would always be for the yearbook by the end of the school year, but Spring pictures were optional if you wanted to buy those and keep it to have for your house or family. Freshman through junior year of high school we only did Fall pictures which was for the yearbook, but senior year of high school we did formal pictures and senior pictures for the yearbook, the formal would be your black or white dress, and the senior pictures would be whatever clothes you wanted to style in and the background you want to choose, and then graduation pictures with your cap and gown.

Is this picture from 1998-2001 or from 2002-2003? Could you guess? By the way, where is the thread where you guess when the photo above was taken?

https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/v/t1.0-9/285204_242059595815951_5746818_n.jpg?oh=3b679b1d648ff3a807dc666bbf8aa16b&oe=57693678&__gda__=1462752725_048b51526760e3688cc8c99b04bade85


Hard to tell, but when it comes to playgrounds the one that was near my old neighborhood was full of people even up to 2004.

Just a brief comment, but if you're referring to yearbooks for photos, then usually the pictures were taken the year before that of the book, during the autumn.  So the 2002 photos would have technically been from 2001, around the time of 9/11, while the ones from the 1998 yearbook were really taken in the fall of 1997.  Usually, the school pictures are taken care of early on to give the yearbook company time to prepare everything.


I googled 1998-1999 and 2002-2003 year books.

I googled 1998-1999 and 2002-2003 year books.


A lot of people mess that type of thing up.  Glad you did not!

Is this picture from 1998-2001 or from 2002-2003? Could you guess? By the way, where is the thread where you guess when the photo above was taken?

https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/v/t1.0-9/285204_242059595815951_5746818_n.jpg?oh=3b679b1d648ff3a807dc666bbf8aa16b&oe=57693678&__gda__=1462752725_048b51526760e3688cc8c99b04bade85

That's from 1998 of course. Look how old and retro it looks. The 90s are retro, early 2000s aren't yet though.

That's from 1998 of course. Look how old and retro it looks. The 90s are retro, early 2000s aren't yet though.


It actually looks very recent to me? Like it could've been taken in 2005/06 even  :o I'm going to go with 2002/03, I could be wrong though.

That's from 1998 of course. Look how old and retro it looks. The 90s are retro, early 2000s aren't yet though.


I fail to see how that picture looks retro. I've seen things like this even in the early - mid 2000s. Kids like that being together in a playground isn't something I'd call "Very '90s".

Still confused on the topic question. Y2K is basically a short way of saying "Late '90s & early '00s culture". 2002-2003 were still mainly early 2000s year. So they're Y2K to me. Unless you're going to argue to me that the core 2000s starts in 2002 which I'd disagree with. But hey opinions are opinions. Thing about online discussions is that things barely get fully agreed upon (we all remember certain years differently). Sometimes wonder why people tend to forget that.

I fail to see how that picture looks retro. I've seen things like this even in the early - mid 2000s. Kids like that being together in a playground isn't something I'd call "Very '90s".

Still confused on the topic question. Y2K is basically a short way of saying "Late '90s & early '00s culture". 2002-2003 were still mainly early 2000s year. So they're Y2K to me. Unless you're going to argue to me that the core 2000s starts in 2002 which I'd disagree with. But hey opinions are opinions. Thing about online discussions is that things barely get fully agreed upon (we all remember certain years differently). Sometimes wonder why people tend to forget that.


I've said it many times before, but I believe the core 2000's began in late 2003, while mid 2000's culture was in full effect by mid 2004.

I've said it many times before, but I believe the core 2000's began in late 2003, while mid 2000's culture was in full effect by mid 2004.


And that I agree with fully. The moment where the core culture was in full force was by mid 2004. Early 2004 has a few early 2000s leftovers, but it's mainly core. Most of 2003 and all of 2002 is still early 2000s culture to me.

There's a big difference between the early 2000s and Y2K. Early 2003 was technically early 2000s, and there's no way you can say that was Y2K era.

I fail to see how that picture looks retro. I've seen things like this even in the early - mid 2000s. Kids like that being together in a playground isn't something I'd call "Very '90s".

Still confused on the topic question. Y2K is basically a short way of saying "Late '90s & early '00s culture". 2002-2003 were still mainly early 2000s year. So they're Y2K to me. Unless you're going to argue to me that the core 2000s starts in 2002 which I'd disagree with. But hey opinions are opinions. Thing about online discussions is that things barely get fully agreed upon (we all remember certain years differently). Sometimes wonder why people tend to forget that.

It looks retro because it looks like it was taken on 35mm film.

It looks retro because it looks like it was taken on 35mm film.


But to be fair who in 2016 uses 35mm film unironically? That's sort of the point, the tech that was commonly used back in the late 90's/early 00's is enough to show how dated (and I'd argue borderline retro) the time period was.

But to be fair who in 2016 uses 35mm film unironically? That's sort of the point, the tech that was commonly used back in the late 90's/early 00's is enough to show how dated (and I'd argue borderline retro) the time period was.


You mean disposable cameras? Before digital cameras took over?

But to be fair who in 2016 uses 35mm film unironically?

Christopher Nolan, Martin Sorcese (?)

You mean disposable cameras? Before digital cameras took over?

It looks retro because it looks like it was taken on 35mm film.

But to be fair who in 2016 uses 35mm film unironically? That's sort of the point, the tech that was commonly used back in the late 90's/early 00's is enough to show how dated (and I'd argue borderline retro) the time period was.


Hmm, according to wikipedia the decline for the 35mm film format was between 2005-2015. Although by 2016 the format still has a niche interest, but now everything is done digitally. More quality/clearer images, I suppose.

As what a copy and pasted quote from wiki says
Decline
In transition period centered around 2005-2015, the rapid conversion of the cinema exhibition industry to digital projection has seen 35 mm film projectors removed from most of the projection rooms as they are replaced by digital projectors. By mid 2010's, most of the theaters across the world have been converted to digital projection. Film though remains in a niche market of enthusiasts and format lovers.

Interesting to think that even in say 2010 or 2011 we were still transitioning to fully using digital project. But from 2004 and earlier people mainly used 35mm.

Hmm, according to wikipedia the decline for the 35mm film format was between 2005-2015. Although by 2016 the format still has a niche interest, but now everything is done digitally. More quality/clearer images, I suppose.

As what a copy and pasted quote from wiki says
Interesting to think that even in say 2010 or 2011 we were still transitioning to fully using digital project. But from 2004 and earlier people mainly used 35mm.


My parents and many other family members have been using digital cameras regularly since 2005, and now we have more ways of taking pictures through our phones and HD digital cameras as well.

My parents and many other family members have been using digital cameras regularly since 2005, and now we have more ways of taking pictures through our phones and HD digital cameras as well.


I can't quite recall when my family moved over to digital cameras. All I know is that it was sometime between 2006-2007. Nowadays we're more digital than analog. Like how TV (in the US) started the transition from analog to digital broadcasting in 2008/2009 and completed it in 2015 (according to a wiki).

Don't really have analog devices anymore. Well unless you're part of a niche market who still uses old things.

You mean disposable cameras? Before digital cameras took over?


Yeah pretty much. Heck I don't even see people use digital cameras anymore. It seems like the smartphone literally killed off the need for having multiple devices. Hence why the popularization of smartphones in the late 00's/early 10's is arguably just a transformative as the invention/popularization of the internet itself!



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I'm talking about the general public and how we use technology. But I do agree that it still has a niche market for photographers and film makers.



Hmm, according to wikipedia the decline for the 35mm film format was between 2005-2015. Although by 2016 the format still has a niche interest, but now everything is done digitally. More quality/clearer images, I suppose.

As what a copy and pasted quote from wiki says
Interesting to think that even in say 2010 or 2011 we were still transitioning to fully using digital project. But from 2004 and earlier people mainly used 35mm.


Yeah that makes sense, around in 2005 is when I noticed digital cameras and flip phone cameras becoming incredibly popular ways to take photos. I remember my older sister getting the Motorola Razr that year and how she felt like such a badass being able to take (at the time) crystal clear photos while also having a sexy and sleek flip phone to boot ;D


I can't quite recall when my family moved over to digital cameras. All I know is that it was sometime between 2006-2007. Nowadays we're more digital than analog. Like how TV (in the US) started the transition from analog to digital broadcasting in 2008/2009 and completed it in 2015 (according to a wiki).

Don't really have analog devices anymore. Well unless you're part of a niche market who still uses old things.


I'm not sure if this applies to everywhere, but here in NY/NJ they made the TV signals to become digitally mandatory in 2009. That put a death nail to the traditional antenna. I remember before getting cable in Late 2001 having to have to watch Saturday Morning Cartoons on antenna signals, those times were rough...

On the bright side my sister used to pay for her own cable service back in 1999-early 2000 so I would watch Nickelodeon on there (if she allowed me), but it wasn't until Late 2001 when we got cable in our entire household that I could enjoy watching any channel I wanted to with ease.

You mean disposable cameras? Before digital cameras took over?


LOL those were the days. Going to the photo shop and waiting a day to get your photos developed off the film.  ;D

I also remember my dad taking home videos, those video cameras were HUGE  :o

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Any of you guys still hate smartphones?? >:(

LOL those were the days. Going to the photo shop and waiting a day to get your photos developed off the film.  ;D


We'd always got our photos developed at Walmart or Eckerd (remember that place?)

The thing about 2002/2003 is that while I can definitely understand why people trace so much overlap between those years and the millennial era, there were so many primary trends to the 1997-2001 era that were either dead or well beyond their peak by 2002 and 2003.  These years weren't the same as 2004 and beyond, but I wouldn't categorize them as being identical to the Y2K era, either.

For starters, global repercussions of 9/11, as well as the full establishment of sixth generation video games already set popular culture on a completely new course.  However, even before that, you had the breakthrough of reality television beginning with Survivor, 2000s-style post-grunge dominating the pop charts starting with Creed's "Higher" and 3 Doors Down's "Kryptonite," the first Shrek movie setting the new standard for animated blockbusters, shows like Lizzie McGuire and Malcolm in the Middle making their premieres, the end of the Dot Com Boom, and the notorious "election" of George W. Bush.  Pop hip hop was also bigger than ever, as if it wasn't already significant in the late 90s, but now practically half of what you heard on the radio was rap or had rap influences, i.e., Christina Aguilera's Stripped album.  Jordank1982 seems to categorize a lot of this stuff with the 1998-2002 era, but I personally think he's just adamant about distinguishing the early 2000s from the rest of the decade because it was during 2003/2004 that most of his favorite stuff died off while newer trends that he despised overtook them.  I can accept 2002/2003 as part of the Y2K era because they still weren't that different from 1999-2001, but without things like teen pop, the Dot Com Boom, fifth generation consoles in their prime, or Pokémania, I certainly wouldn't say the 2002/2003 atmosphere was identical to the preceding few years.

Would you say that 2002 and 2003 were to 1998-2001 what the early '80s were to the late '70s? I mean, 2002 and 2003 were like 1998-2001 with less teen pop, just like how 1980 and 1981 were like 1979 minus disco songs.

By the way, the picture I posted was from roughly 2002.

By the way, the picture I posted was from roughly 2002.


Score! Pay up, Slim!  ;D

Score! Pay up, Slim!  ;D

Alright my bad, it looked 1998 to me.  ;D

Alright my bad, it looked 1998 to me.  ;D


The horizontal striped polo shirts sort of gave it away. I remember those in my closet in 2004/2005.  ;D But a lot of the dudes in the pics Jordan posted were wearing it in 2002 as well, so it might've been a thing then.

The thing about 2002/2003 is that while I can definitely understand why people trace so much overlap between those years and the millennial era, there were so many primary trends to the 1997-2001 era that were either dead or well beyond their peak by 2002 and 2003.  These years weren't the same as 2004 and beyond, but I wouldn't categorize them as being identical to the Y2K era, either.

For starters, global repercussions of 9/11, as well as the full establishment of sixth generation video games already set popular culture on a completely new course.  However, even before that, you had the breakthrough of reality television beginning with Survivor, 2000s-style post-grunge dominating the pop charts starting with Creed's "Higher" and 3 Doors Down's "Kryptonite," the first Shrek movie setting the new standard for animated blockbusters, shows like Lizzie McGuire and Malcolm in the Middle making their premieres, the end of the Dot Com Boom, and the notorious "election" of George W. Bush.  Pop hip hop was also bigger than ever, as if it wasn't already significant in the late 90s, but now practically half of what you heard on the radio was rap or had rap influences, i.e., Christina Aguilera's Stripped album.  Jordank1982 seems to categorize a lot of this stuff with the 1998-2002 era, but I personally think he's just adamant about distinguishing the early 2000s from the rest of the decade because it was during 2003/2004 that most of his favorite stuff died off while newer trends that he despised overtook them.  I can accept 2002/2003 as part of the Y2K era because they still weren't that different from 1999-2001, but without things like teen pop, the Dot Com Boom, fifth generation consoles in their prime, or Pokémania, I certainly wouldn't say the 2002/2003 atmosphere was identical to the preceding few years.


I don't really mind people calling 2003 core 00's, early 00's, Y2K era or a transition. I see that year as all of those things but it's 2002 (and 1998. That is total Y2K era) that I don't agree with at all. There are a lot of trends that were at their peak in 1998 or 1999 that were past their peak in 2000 even. Not every year is going to be 100% consistent but the general vibe and most of the trends are the same. Honestly, I believe that the early 00's started in 1998 and the late 90's ended in 2004. Simple. This is how I define my era and this is just how things went, not just for me, but also tons of people I know who are all around my age all agree with my definition. I don't expect everyone to agree but I, personally, think the vibe is the same. And yes, I still think Creed's first album sounds pretty much like the rest of their stuff. :P The PS2 already was big in 2000, really. It sold a whole lot of copies even if the 6th generation wasn't full established yet (you know, with the XBOX and Gamecube not being out). You still had a lot of PS1 and Gameboy Color games being sold in 2002, too and people still played them at the time. You could say the peak of the 6th gen ended right as 2001 hit as the N64, especially, was abandoned by Nintendo because it's game were flop after flop and Sony was already focusing more on the PS2 starting in 2000. A lot of the other stuff you mentioned also started in 2000, too. End of the Dot Com boom was early on in 2000. I think both Shrek had that Y2K vibe (I could argue Toy Story set that new standard) and Malcolm in the Middle had the Y2K vibe all from 2000-2006. Reality TV started picking up steam as far back as 1996 and throughout the 90's, MTV put more and more reality programming on their network. Survivor was nothing new nor was it really the cause of any boom, in my opinion. I've never seen Lizzie McGuire but it doesn't strike me as anything different from 1998 or 1999 based on these photos. Remember Nu Metal got big before 2000 and there was tons of Rap in that. Rap really didn't dominate everyone's taste until 2003-2004 when 50 Cent and Lil Jon blew up and that, if you ask me, started rocks decline. I listened to a lot of radio and watched a lot of MTV back then and Rap-Pop's presence wasn't that different from 1998-1999 (and how many Stripped singles are actually Hip Hop-Pop songs? Two maybe? The rest are either soft ballads and that one Rock influenced song). Teen Pop still had a bit of presence in 2002 if you check the charts. Pokemania... Oh man... it seems to be different for everyone based off what I've read here so I'm not going to say anything about that can of worms!!! Almost all the trends changed in 2003-2004, not just the stuff I like. If people are gonna separate the late 90's and early 00's they should at least group 2000 with 2001 and 2002 and separate them from the rest of the decade.


The horizontal striped polo shirts sort of gave it away. I remember those in my closet in 2004/2005.  ;D But a lot of the dudes in the pics Jordan posted were wearing it in 2002 as well, so it might've been a thing then.


Dude, the striped polo look goes waaayyyy back to 1995. I wore that look (used to now that I have converted to the V-Necks. 2007-2012 V-Neck vicks moisturizer era 4ever) with a backwards cap all the time in high school.


Alright my bad, it looked 1998 to me.  ;D


Hmmm. a 2002 photo looking like 1998? Makes me wonder. ;)

Dude, the striped polo look goes waaayyyy back to 1995. I wore that look (used to now that I have converted to the V-Necks. 2007-2012 V-Neck vicks moisturizer era 4ever) with a backwards cap all the time in high school.


What about skinny jeans and giant basketball shoes?

What about skinny jeans and giant basketball shoes?


My first encounter with skinny jeans was actually 1998 because Justin Pearson (of the Locust) wore them. He pioneered that look but it definitely was not at all a common style. I read that as "giant basketball shorts" and was about to give you a history of baggy dickies 3/4 shorts with the chains but then I read 'shoes' so you have been spared "Jordan's Nostalgia Hour" but no, people just wore regular sized wore Jordan's (no, they didn't wear me), Nike, Vans or Converse.

My first encounter with skinny jeans was actually 1998 because Justin Pearson (of the Locust) wore them. He pioneered that look but it definitely was not at all a common style. I read that as "giant basketball shorts" and was about to give you a history of baggy dickies 3/4 shorts with the chains but then I read 'shoes' so you have been spared "Jordan's Nostalgia Hour" but no, people just regular sized wore Jordan's (not me, though), Nike, Vans or Converse.


I was asking if you converted to those as well as the v-necks+moisturizer  ;D

I'm surprised anyone got away with wearing skinny jeans in 1998. That's like peak baggy isn't it  ;D It was like swimming in mid-air  :D

I was asking if you converted to those as well as the v-necks+moisturizer  ;D


Oh... Uhh... Yes! I am now wearing the skinniest jeans. It was simple find them, too. I asked my little sister if she had a old pair of her jeans and a pink sweater. Now I look exactly like a member of All Time Low (sponsored by Vicks)!

Oh... Uhh... Yes! I am now wearing the skinniest jeans. It was simple find them, too. I asked my little sister if she had a old pair of her jeans and a pink sweater. Now I look exactly like a member of All Time Low (sponsored by Vicks)!


Is All Time Low good? I should listen to them. I like Set Your Goals, they sound similar  :D

The Y2k era i think ended around summer 2002. By that point the teen music one would usually hear on the radio in the early 2000s and late 90s was less noticeable and songs like Avril Lavinge's complicated and Nelly's Hot in herre ruled the summer charts. Also The Game Boy Color was on its last legs and the last game made for it came out that year so there were hardly any good new Game Boy Color Games to buy in stores by summer 2002. It was also the last exclusively 8 bit gaming device and when it went it was the end of an era, since then new 8 bit style games have become rare. DVD sales were growing, while VHS was beginning its path to being obsolete. The  6th generation of Video Games was in full bloom by that time. The changes put forth due to 9/11 were already noticeable by that point. The Afghanistan War began in March that year.

Is All Time Low good? I should listen to them. I like Set Your Goals, they sound similar  :D


No! Stop! Listen to New Found Glory and 2000-2002 Drive Thru bands! You are ruining your life by listening to them! Dude... Set Your Goals? 8-P They're awful Pop Punk revival! Besides, the CIV album they got their name from isn't even that great, either. 


The Y2k era i think ended around summer 2002. By that point the teen music one would usually hear on the radio in the early 2000s and late 90s was less noticeable and songs like Avril Lavinge's complicated and Nelly's Hot in herre ruled the summer charts. Also The Game Boy Color was on its last legs and the last game made for it came out that year so there were hardly any good new Game Boy Color Games to buy in stores by summer 2002. It was also the last exclusively 8 bit gaming device and when it went it was the end of an era, since then new 8 bit style games have become rare. DVD sales were growing, while VHS was beginning its path to being obsolete. The  6th generation of Video Games was in full bloom by that time. The changes put forth due to 9/11 were already noticeable by that point. The Afghanistan War began in March that year.


Complicated sounds like a song from 1997 and you'd still hear some Teen Pop on the radio back then (2002 Avril was also nothing new at all), the last Game Boy Color game came out all the way in November 2002, DVD sales were growing but VHS was still the king until 2003, 6th generation was still prominent in 2001 but the 5th generation was still co-existing until 2003 and the Afghanistan war began in October 2001 (but it didn't have the same impact as Iraq did which made everyone hate Bush).

No! Stop! Listen to New Found Glory and 2000-2002 Drive Thru bands! You are ruining your life by listening to them! Dude... Set Your Goals? 8-P They're awful Pop Punk revival! Besides, the CIV album they got their name from isn't even that great, either. 

Complicated sounds like a song from 1997 and you'd still hear some Teen Pop on the radio back then (2002 Avril was also nothing new at all), the last Game Boy Color game came out all the way in November 2002, DVD sales were growing but VHS was still the king until 2003, 6th generation was still prominent in 2001 but the 5th generation was still co-existing until 2003 and the Afghanistan war began in October 2001 (but it didn't have the same impact as Iraq did which made everyone hate Bush).

What Did you think of Avril Lavigne's Skater Boi song did it sound more like 90's or 2000's

What Did you think of Avril Lavigne's Skater Boi song did it sound more like 90's or 2000's


I don't think it's that bad of a song but it's a bit too "tween-like" for me. Her other songs are a bit better. It's definitely 90's. It's closer to a song off of Enema of the State than it is to Under the Cork Tree.

I don't think it's that bad of a song but it's a bit too "tween-like" for me. Her other songs are a bit better. It's definitely 90's. It's closer to a song off of Enema of the State than it is to Under the Cork Tree.

Also Do you think Aly and Aj's Rush Song and some of Hillary Duff's music sounded 90's ish too

Also Do you think Aly and Aj's Rush Song and some of Hillary Duff's music sounded 90's ish too


Never heard of Aly and AJ  until you just mentioned them but I listened to a few seconds of Rush and it's still a bit mid 00's but I hear hints of the late 90's in the sound, especially the chorus and bridge.

Never heard any Hilary Duff music, though.

Never heard of Aly and AJ  until you just mentioned them but I listened to a few seconds of Rush and it's still a bit mid 00's but I hear hints of the late 90's in the sound, especially the chorus and bridge.

Never heard any Hilary Duff music, though.
Well, look up What Dreams Are Made Of and So Yesterday. Come to think about it, What Dreams Are Made Of is such a dead ringer for 1999-2001 pop despite being from 2003.

Well, look up What Dreams Are Made Of and So Yesterday. Come to think about it. What Dreams Are Made Of is such a dead ringer for 1999-2001 pop despite being from 2003.


Yeah, both of them definitely are very, very Teen Pop. Jesus!

Hey, this album got #1 on the charts! In 2003!

Well, look up What Dreams Are Made Of and So Yesterday. Come to think about it. What Dreams Are Made Of is such a dead ringer for 1999-2001 pop despite being from 2003.


All early 2000s kids should know Complicated and What Dreams are Made Of by heart IMO.


Yeah, both of them definitely are very, very Teen Pop. Jesus!

Hey, this album got #1 on the charts! In 2003!


Hey, you said you were a teen from 1995-2003  ;D

All early 2000s kids should know Complicated and What Dreams are Made Of by heart IMO.

Hey, you said you were a teen from 1995-2003  ;D


1995-2002. I turned 20 August 2002. :P

But I guess I became a real adult in 2003 when I turned 21. Let's say that so I can fit 2002 into my adolescent era. I will do the same for 1994 'cause that's when I turned 12. So make it 1994-2003. Does this mean I should listen to Hilary Duff or something? I never even listened to NSYNC or anything, either.

Also I think another reason why 2002 is the end of the Y2k era is because Disney released Lilo Stitch its last 2d animated film to get excellent reception in June 2002 and Treasure Planet released in November 2002 was got noticeably lower reception than Lillo and Stitch or most of the other Disney animated films made since Little Mermaid.

You could say that 2002 still had the last Disney 2D animated film to be well-received. 2003 didn't have any of that at all.

If I recall Rosie O'Donnell was very very popular during the 90s and that by the mid 2000s and late 2000s I didn't hear as much about her. Did any of you guys watch the 2002 Kids Choice Awards.

If I recall Rosie O'Donnell was very very popular during the 90s and that by the mid 2000s and late 2000s I didn't hear as much about her. Did any of you guys watch the 2002 Kids Choice Awards.


I heard about her in the mid-2000s. She had a fight with Donald Trump and she was also racist to Chinese people.

I don't really mind people calling 2003 core 00's, early 00's, Y2K era or a transition. I see that year as all of those things but it's 2002 (and 1998. That is total Y2K era) that I don't agree with at all. There are a lot of trends that were at their peak in 1998 or 1999 that were past their peak in 2000 even. Not every year is going to be 100% consistent but the general vibe and most of the trends are the same. Honestly, I believe that the early 00's started in 1998 and the late 90's ended in 2004. Simple. This is how I define my era and this is just how things went, not just for me, but also tons of people I know who are all around my age all agree with my definition.

So essentially, the late 90s are identical to the early 2000s by definition?  I don't get what you mean here.  Since you say there were a handful of changes in 2000, wouldn't it at least be more sensible to group 1998-1999 as late 90s and 2000-2003 as early 2000s, even if you consider both periods extremely similar or essentially two phases of the same greater era?

I don't expect everyone to agree but I, personally, think the vibe is the same. And yes, I still think Creed's first album sounds pretty much like the rest of their stuff. :P

Not only were the biggest songs from Human Clay and Weathered more radio-friendly than the material on My Own Prison, they, along with 3 Doors Down, Something Like Human-era Fuel, Staind, Puddle of Mudd, Nickelback, etc. achieved success on contemporary stations that My Own Prison could not.

The PS2 already was big in 2000, really. It sold a whole lot of copies even if the 6th generation wasn't full established yet (you know, with the XBOX and Gamecube not being out).

You're really stretching things if you compare 2002 in gaming that much to 2000.  The Nintendo 64 and PlayStation 1 were clearly still the most successful systems that year, as well as during the first half of 2001.  The PS2's popularity before 2001 was absolutely nowhere near its success after its flood of killer apps that year.  Also, the addition of the GameCube and original XBOX in late 2001 shouldn't just be brushed off as insignificant; games like Halo, Pikmin, and Super Smash Bros. Melee were incredibly revolutionary when they hit stores that year.

You still had a lot of PS1 and Gameboy Color games being sold in 2002, too and people still played them at the time.

The Game Boy Color was pretty insignificant by 2002 from what I remember.  Pretty much everybody I knew had switched to the Game Boy Advanced or was at least more interested in that handheld.  The only GBC games that came out in 2002 were commercial flops; even the Zelda Oracle games from early 2001 weren't that successful.  The PS1 was only relevant in 2002 as a cheap alternative to the PS2 and certainly wasn't the way you were going to play Grand Theft Auto III, Metal Gear Solid 2, or Gran Tursimo 3.

By your logic, you may as well say 1997 was pretty much the same era for gaming as 1995, based, firstly, on the fact that the PS1 was already out in September 1995 and did pretty well at its launch, despite still being nowhere near as popular as the Super Nintendo at the time, and secondly, the fact that Super Nintendo hardware and software was still being sold in 1997, even though system had no successful titles after Donkey Kong Country 3 and was by then completely overshadowed by the Nintendo 64 and PlayStation 1, both of which produced the entirety of 1997's landmark console games.

You could say the peak of the 6th gen ended right as 2001 hit as the N64, especially, was abandoned by Nintendo because it's game were flop after flop and Sony was already focusing more on the PS2 starting in 2000.

I thought plenty of people were still heavily interested in Majora's Mask, Banjo Tooie, and Pokémon Stadium 2 late in the N64's lifespan?  The PS2 may have been pretty successful at its launch, but again, it was still nothing compared to what it would mature into within the coming year.

A lot of the other stuff you mentioned also started in 2000, too. End of the Dot Com boom was early on in 2000. I think both Shrek had that Y2K vibe (I could argue Toy Story set that new standard) and Malcolm in the Middle had the Y2K vibe all from 2000-2006.

I don't see where the Y2K influence is in Shrek aside from the soundtrack.  I find it a lot more irreverent, too, than Toy Story 2, which is just a continuation of the first movie from 1995.  After Shrek came out, studios began injecting their animated features with constant modern day references and adult humor, while the more classical that was still going strong in 1998 and 1999 with films like The Prince of Egypt, Tarzan, and Mulan started to fall out of favor.

Reality TV started picking up steam as far back as 1996 and throughout the 90's, MTV put more and more reality programming on their network. Survivor was nothing new nor was it really the cause of any boom, in my opinion.

Reality television definitely exploded in popularity beginning in the early 2000s, though.  It was still seen as an experiment back in the late 90s.

Remember Nu Metal got big before 2000 and there was tons of Rap in that. Rap really didn't dominate everyone's taste until 2003-2004 when 50 Cent and Lil Jon blew up and that, if you ask me, started raps decline. I listened to a lot of radio and watched a lot of MTV back then and Rap-Pop's presence wasn't that different from 1998-1999 (and how many Stripped singles are actually Hip Hop-Pop songs? Two maybe? The rest are either soft ballads and that one Rock influenced song).

I don't mean nu-metal or rap/rock, I just mean synthesized hip hop beats and urban culture being this ubiquitous presence by the early 2000s.  Rap music had of course been huge for all of the 90s, and I don't even think early 2000s hip hop sounds stylistically different from the type of stuff that emerged around 1997, but the point is it had a far greater influence on top 40 music than ever before.  Beginning in 2001, former teen pop stars like Britney Spears, Justin Timberlake, and Christina Aguilera were enlisting traditional urban producers like Timbaland and The Neptunes to produce their major singles instead of Y2K pop figures like Max Martin and Rami Yacoub.  Just about everything now had to be edgy in the pop world to some degree; there was no longer an outlet for those who preferred melody over rhythm.  Artists like Nelly and Ja Rule were the most popular faces in the industry instead of people like DMX and Lauryn Hill.  The growing urban influence extends to fashion as well, as trucker hats weren't really a fad until the early 2000s.

Teen Pop still had a bit of presence in 2002 if you check the charts.

Hardly.  The only two teen pop songs that achieved notable success that year were LeAnn Rimes' "Can't Fight the Moonlight," which was originally from 2000, and *NSYNC's "Girlfriend," which totally caved in to the growing popularity of early 2000s urban by having the Neptunes as the producers and Nelly as a featured guest (this is the single version, of course).  Both of these tracks were only hits in early 2002, anyway.  The teen pop genre, or at least the Y2K brand of it, had absolutely none of the same level success in 2002 as it did in 1997-2001.  Most of the teen pop groups of the Y2K era broke up in 2001 or 2002, not to mention there was a ton of backlash against the genre by 2002.

I was asking if you converted to those as well as the v-necks+moisturizer  ;D

I'm surprised anyone got away with wearing skinny jeans in 1998. That's like peak baggy isn't it  ;D It was like swimming in mid-air  :D


It sure was! ;D ;D ;D ;D

He even wore them on Jerry Springer in 1999:

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So essentially, the late 90s are identical to the early 2000s by definition?  I don't get what you mean here.  Since you say there were a handful of changes in 2000, wouldn't it at least be more sensible to group 1998-1999 as late 90s and 2000-2003 as early 2000s, even if you consider both periods extremely similar or essentially two phases of the same greater era?


Uhh... I didn't say that. I'm saying is that a lot of people I know agree with my definition. I did say "I'd at least rather people group 2000 with 2001 and 2002", right?


Not only were the biggest songs from Human Clay and Weathered more radio-friendly than the material on My Own Prison, they, along with 3 Doors Down, Something Like Human-era Fuel, Staind, Puddle of Mudd, Nickelback, etc. achieved success on contemporary stations that My Own Prison could not.


A song like What's This Life For, for example, doesn't sound at all different from the songs off of those two albums. It's one of the best selling US albums and made #1 on the Heatseeekers, #22 on the Billboard 200 and #1 on the Billboard Catalog albums. That seems very successful to me. What's This Life For was also a number 1 hit in 1998.


You're really stretching things if you compare 2002 in gaming that much to 2000.  The Nintendo 64 and PlayStation 1 were clearly still the most successful systems that year, as well as during the first half of 2001.  The PS2's popularity before 2001 was absolutely nowhere near its success after its flood of killer apps that year.  Also, the addition of the GameCube and original XBOX in late 2001 shouldn't just be brushed off as insignificant; games like Halo, Pikmin, and Super Smash Bros. Melee were incredibly revolutionary when they hit stores that year.


In 2000, the PS2 broke a record for fastest selling console. N64 was not at all one of the most successful systems in the first half of 2001. If it was, why it'd flop so badly after the 2000 holiday season? Even Conker's was a commerical flop. But how'd I bush them off as insignificant? Didn't I just state "despite the 6th gen not being fully established" speaking of the PS2 in 2000? Gaming in 2002 still related to 2000 in some ways.


I thought plenty of people were still heavily interested in Majora's Mask, Banjo Tooie, and Pokémon Stadium 2 late in the N64's lifespan?  The PS2 may have been pretty successful at its launch, but again, it was still nothing compared to what it would mature into within the coming year.


Those came out in the 2000 Holiday season. After Christmas 2000, the N64 faced flop after flop. I am speaking about early 2001. Yes, but it was still already iconic and influential in gaming as soon as it launched. Maybe not as much as it became in 2001 but you understating it's influence quite a bit.


I don't see where the Y2K influence is in Shrek aside from the soundtrack.  I find it a lot more irreverent, too, than Toy Story 2, which is just a continuation of the first movie from 1995.  After Shrek came out, studios began injecting their animated features with constant modern day references and adult humor, while the more classical that was still going strong in 1998 and 1999 with films like The Prince of Egypt, Tarzan, and Mulan started to fall out of favor.


I was talking about Toy Story from 1995. That movie is much, much more influential than Shrek. Shrek still has a goofy mood and wacky attitude, not different from the movies coming out in the late 90's like a Bug's Life for example.


The Game Boy Color was pretty insignificant by 2002 from what I remember.  Pretty much everybody I knew had switched to the Game Boy Advanced or was at least more interested in that handheld.  The only GBC games that came out in 2002 were commercial flops; even the Zelda Oracle games from early 2001 weren't that successful.  The PS1 was only relevant in 2002 as a cheap alternative to the PS2 and certainly wasn't the way you were going to play Grand Theft Auto III, Metal Gear Solid 2, or Gran Tursimo 3.


I guess you could say that but I still saw people playing with Gameboy Colors in 2002 but you could say it was already pretty insignificant right as the Advanced came out. Kind of like the N64. The PS1 still had a pretty decent presence and good reputation in 2002 and nobody I knew saw it as a "cheap alternative", though. Maybe your experience is different.


By your logic, you may as well say 1997 was pretty much the same era for gaming as 1995, based, firstly, on the fact that the PS1 was already out in September 1995 and did pretty well at its launch, despite still being nowhere near as popular as the Super Nintendo at the time, and secondly, the fact that Super Nintendo hardware and software was still being sold in 1997, even though system had no successful titles after Donkey Kong Country 3 and was by then completely overshadowed by the Nintendo 64 and PlayStation 1, both of which produced the entirety of 1997's landmark console games.


The PS1 didn't break any records like the PS2 did nor did it have the hype or reputation as the PS2 did upon launch. I dunno why you're saying I said they're pretty much the same, I said they're similar and the older systems still had presence. I acknowledged the fact that the 6th generation was fully established with the arrival of the XBOX and Gamecube, didn't I?


Reality television definitely exploded in popularity beginning in the early 2000s, though.  It was still seen as an experiment back in the late 90s.


MTV was littered with The Real World, True Life, Road Rules: The Challenge and FANatic in the 90s. I don't remember anyone calling it an "experiment".


I don't mean nu-metal or rap/rock, I just mean synthesized hip hop beats and urban culture being this ubiquitous presence by the early 2000s.  Rap music had of course been huge for all of the 90s, and I don't even think early 2000s hip hop sounds stylistically different from the type of stuff that emerged around 1997, but the point is it had a far greater influence on top 40 music than ever before.  Beginning in 2001, former teen pop stars like Britney Spears, Justin Timberlake, and Christina Aguilera were enlisting traditional urban producers like Timbaland and The Neptunes to produce their major singles instead of Y2K pop figures like Max Martin and Rami Yacoub.  Just about everything now had to be edgy in the pop world to some degree; there was no longer an outlet for those who preferred melody over rhythm.  Artists like Nelly and Ja Rule were the most popular faces in the industry instead of people like DMX and Lauryn Hill.  The growing urban influence extends to fashion as well, as trucker hats weren't really a fad until the early 2000s.


I agree. Hip Hop in the early 00's doesn't sound very different from the 1997 stuff. Nelly and Ja Rule had already gotten pretty big in 1999/2000 with their debuts. Christina didn't enlist in any of those producers and, like I said, most of the singles weren't urban Pop. DMX was also still pretty big in the early 00's. Really? Trucker hats? I saw Skateboarders wearing them in the 90's.


Hardly.  The only two teen pop songs that achieved notable success that year were LeAnn Rimes' "Can't Fight the Moonlight," which was originally from 2000, and *NSYNC's "Girlfriend," which totally caved in to the growing popularity of early 2000s urban by having the Neptunes as the producers and Nelly as a featured guest (this is the single version, of course).  Both of these tracks were only hits in early 2002, anyway.  The teen pop genre, or at least the Y2K brand of it, had absolutely none of the same level success in 2002 as it did in 1997-2001.  Most of the teen pop groups of the Y2K era broke up in 2001 or 2002, not to mention there was a ton of backlash against the genre by 2002.


What about O-Town's "These Are The Days"? It sounds like just like the Backstreet's to me. Must be a Teen Pop song! :D It made 64 on the Billboard 100, 16 on the Top 40 Mainstream, and 27 on the Billboard Top 40 tracks. "Gone" also continued success in 2002. I got more I can post that encompasses album and single charts, if you like, but it'll take some time. Backlash wasn't anymore or less as it was in 1997-2001. We hated them back then and we hated them the same in 2002.

Uhh... I didn't say that. I'm saying is that a lot of people I know agree with my definition. I did say "I'd at least rather people group 2000 with 2001 and 2002", right?

I was specifically confused when you said 1998 was early 2000s and that the late 90s weren't over until 2004.

A song like What's This Life For, for example, doesn't sound at all different from the songs off of those two albums. It's one of the best selling US albums and made #1 on the Heatseeekers, #22 on the Billboard 200 and #1 on the Billboard Catalog albums. That seems very successful to me. What's This Life For was also a number 1 hit in 1998.

On the Mainstream Rock Chart, not the Billboard Hot 100 or even Radio Songs chart.  I also think "What's This Life For" still sounds angrier and more Pearl Jam-like that "Higher" or "With Arms Wide Open."

In 2000, the PS2 broke a record for fastest selling console. N64 was not at all one of the most successful systems in the first half of 2001. If it was, why it'd flop so badly after the 2000 holiday season? Even Conker's was a commerical flop. But how'd I bush them off as insignificant? Didn't I just state "despite the 6th gen not being fully established" speaking of the PS2 in 2000? Gaming in 2002 still related to 2000.

The Nintendo 64 was definitely losing popularity during early 2001, but it was still going strong at the time of the PS2's release.  The PS2 was surrounded by a ton of hype leading to its American release but still didn't have a truly noteworthy lineup of games until 2001.  Grand Theft Auto III, especially, catapulted the system to greater levels of success than ever before.

You made them seem insignificant by overemphasizing the similarities between 2000 and 2002 in gaming.

Those came out in the 2000 Holiday season. After Christmas 2000, the N64 faced flop after flop. I am speaking about early 2001. Yes, but it was still already iconic and influential in gaming as soon as it launched. Maybe not as much as it became in 2001 but you understating it's influence quite a bit.

I agree that the transition into the sixth generation of gaming being dominant was well underway by early 2001, but I still don't understand how you can say 2002 was hardly any different from 2000, especially since you seem to imply the Nintendo 64 was still successful that year.  The PS2's rapid growth in popularity is what took us out of the Y2K era and into the early/mid-2000s era of video gaming.

I was talking about Toy Story from 1995. That movie is much, much more influential than Shrek. Shrek still has a goofy mood and wacky attitude, not different from the movies coming out in the late 90's like a Bug's Life for example.

This "goofy mood and wacky attitude" that you speak of only expanded as the 2000s continued.  Eventually, we got movies like Ice Age, Madagascar, and Meet the Robinsons.

I guess. The PS1 still had a pretty decent presence and good reputation in 2002 and nobody I knew saw it as a "cheap alternative". Maybe your experience is different.

Well, the PS1 was still the platform for Dance Dance Revolution in early 2002 with DDR Konamix, and I remember sports games still getting ports for the system until its discontinuation in 2006, but still there wasn't really anything like Kirby's Adventure or Donkey Kong Country 3.

The PS1 didn't break any records like the PS2 did nor did it have the hype or reputation as the PS2 did upon launch. I dunno why you're saying I said they're pretty much the same, I said they're similar and the older systems still had presence. I acknowledged the fact that the 6th generation was fully established with the arrival of the XBOX and Gamecube, didn't I?

You made it seem like the difference was negligible at best, when 2001 had several shifts in the industry, including the decline of the Nintendo 64, release of the original XBOX, GameCube, and Game Boy Advance; discontinuation of the Dreamcast, and onslaught of revolutionary video games across all systems.  A lot of people were buying the PS2 in 2000 simply because it was a convenient DVD player, not for the groundbreaking new games.

MTV was littered with The Real World, True Life, Road Rules: The Challenge and FANatic in the 90s. I don't remember anyone calling it an "experiment".

Survivor was still a lot more successful when it came out.  The fact that reality television was now being broadcast on stations like CBS was pretty significant for the genre.

I agree. Hip Hop in the early 00's doesn't sound very different from the 1997 stuff. Nelly and Ja Rule had already gotten pretty big in 1999/2000 with their debuts.

They were both most successful around 2001 and 2002, though.

Christina didn't enlist in any of those producers and, like I said, most of the singles weren't urban Pop.

Stripped is still absolutely nothing like her self-titled debut from 1999, which was straight up teenybopper pop.  It's more in the style of Beyoncé's Dangerously in Love and other urban/r&b albums from the early-mid 2000s.  A lot like Britney Spears, Christina Aguilera's new image was a lot more mature and less innocent than it was in 1999 and 2000.

Really? Trucker hats? I saw Skateboarders wearing them in the 90's.

They became a fad with women in the early 2000s, usually associated more with urban culture (or at least pseudo-urban culture) than skateboarding culture.

What about O-Town's "These Are The Days"? It sounds like just like the Backstreet's to me. Must be a Teen Pop song! :D It made 64 on the Billboard 100, 16 on the Top 40 Mainstream, and 27 on the Billboard Top 40 tracks.

That song has huge pop rock tendencies, which became standard of teen pop during 2000s with artists like Avril Lavigne, Hilary Duff, and Ashlee Simpson.  It isn't a straight-up dance pop song like the Backstreet Boys' pre-hiatus material.

"Gone" also continued success in 2002.

"Gone" only represents the tail-end of the teen pop movement and peaked in 2001, anyway.  Even then, it's not of the same style as *NSYNC's first two albums and sounds more like a generic contemporary r&b song with boyband vocals than a prototypical millennial teen pop song.

I got more I can post that encompasses album and single charts, if you like, but it'll take some time.

It's still not like 2002 was really a truly relevant year for Y2K-style teen pop, though.  The fact that you had to refer to a 2001 song with only leftover popularity at the very beginning of 2002 shows how desperate you are to find true teen pop successes from 2002.  You could probably hear stuff like that on Radio Disney or something that year, but not on regular pop stations.

Backlash wasn't anymore or less as it was in 1997-2001. We hated them back then and we hated them the same in 2002.

A lot of people at my school still listed *NSYNC as their favorite band in the 2000/2001 yearbook, but by 2002, I heard everyone bashing groups like that to levels I was not familiar with.  Since the teen pop craze was basically expired by that point, you could talk trash about boybands and teenybopper stars unhinged.

I was specifically confused when you said 1998 was early 2000s and that the late 90s weren't over until 2004.


Yeah, that's just my opinion on it. Not stating it like it's some fact, though. None of these are facts.


On the Mainstream Rock Chart, not the Billboard Hot 100 or even Radio Songs chart.  I also think "What's This Life For" still sounds angrier and more Pearl Jam-like that "Higher" or "With Arms Wide Open."


It's still a significant chart. The album itself also charted high. I don't (or do...? Pearl Jam is pretty cheesy and bad as even Nickelback). I think it's just as cheesy as the songs you mentioned.


The Nintendo 64 was definitely losing popularity during early 2001, but it was still going strong at the time of the PS2's release.  The PS2 was surrounded by a ton of hype leading to its American release but still didn't have a truly noteworthy lineup of games until 2001.  Grand Theft Auto III, especially, catapulted the system to greater levels of success than ever before.


Isn't that what I said? I said the N64's last strong period was the 2000 holiday season. So: SSX, Midnight Club Street Racing, Street Fighter EX3, Dynasty Warriors 2 and Armored Core 2 aren't noteworthy games? I agree that it go bigger over time (how many times to I have to state this?) but it was already a big system as soon as it launched.


You made them seem insignificant by overemphasizing the similarities between 2000 and 2002 in gaming.


So, I didn't say the the 6th gen was fully established until the XBOX and Gamecube arrived?


I agree that the transition into the sixth generation of gaming being dominant was well underway by early 2001, but I still don't understand how you can say 2002 was hardly any different from 2000, especially since you seem to imply the Nintendo 64 was still successful that year.  The PS2's rapid growth in popularity is what took us out of the Y2K era and into the early/mid-2000s era of video gaming.


What I actually said "Gaming in 2002 still related to 2000." Where did I say it was "hardly any different"? I said it still had connections while acknowledging the changes that took place. I see the PS2's growth as a part of the Y2K era.


This "goofy mood and wacky attitude" that you speak of only expanded as the 2000s continued.  Eventually, we got movies like Ice Age, Madagascar, and Meet the Robinsons.


Couldn't we say those movies came out thanks to Toy Story, though? That's where it all began.


Well, the PS1 was still the platform for Dance Dance Revolution in early 2002 with DDR Konamix, and I remember sports games still getting ports for the system until its discontinuation in 2006, but still there wasn't really anything like Kirby's Adventure or Donkey Kong Country 3.


Those are Nintendo games.


You made it seem like the difference was negligible at best, when 2001 had several shifts in the industry, including the decline of the Nintendo 64, release of the original XBOX, GameCube, and Game Boy Advance; discontinuation of the Dreamcast, and onslaught of revolutionary video games across all systems.  A lot of people were buying the PS2 in 2000 simply because it was a convenient DVD player, not for the groundbreaking new games.


I did? When I said that the 6th generation was fully established in 2001 and the N64's decline started right after the 2000 holiday season, I made the difference seem like it was negligible? Yes, but mostly in Japan where the DVD hype was higher at the time.


Survivor was still a lot more successful when it came out.  The fact that reality television was now being broadcast on stations like CBS was pretty significant for the genre.


It was, sure, but it doesn't mean it wasn't already a successful format. It wasn't the first time, though. COPS started in 1989 on FOX.


They were both most successful around 2001 and 2002, though.


But it's not like they were small potatoes then. They were already huge in 1999 and 2000.


Stripped is still absolutely nothing like her self-titled debut from 1999, which was straight up teenybopper pop.  It's more in the style of Beyoncé's Dangerously in Love and other urban/r&b albums from the early-mid 2000s.  A lot like Britney Spears, Christina Aguilera's new image was a lot more mature and less innocent than it was in 1999 and 2000.


But I didn't say it was. I said that the focus wasn't really on Urban Pop as there are a lot of softer songs on it. Beautiful is the most successful single on the album. I'd argue their images got more mature in 2000 or maybe even less noticeably late 1999 with how they started dressing.


They became a fad with women in the early 2000s, usually associated more with urban culture (or at least pseudo-urban culture) than skateboarding culture.


They were still a fad long before. Nowadays, maybe, but not back then.


That song has huge pop rock tendencies, which became standard of teen pop during 2000s with artists like Avril Lavigne, Hilary Duff, and Ashlee Simpson.  It isn't a straight-up dance pop song like the Backstreet Boys' pre-hiatus material.


It's more similar to what 5ive was doing than Avril Lavigne or Hilary Duff but even then, the guitars are mixed so far in the background that I wouldn't call the tendencies "huge". The mood and vibe is similar to a song like "I Want It That Way".


"Gone" only represents the tail-end of the teen pop movement and peaked in 2001, anyway.  Even then, it's not of the same style as *NSYNC's first two albums and sounds more like a generic contemporary r&b song with boyband vocals than a prototypical millennial teen pop song.


It was still pretty popular in 2002. So, Gone isn't but Girlfriend is?


It's still not like 2002 was really a truly relevant year for Y2K-style teen pop, though.  The fact that you had to refer to a 2001 song with only leftover popularity at the very beginning of 2002 shows how desperate you are to find true teen pop successes from 2002.  You could probably hear stuff like that on Radio Disney or something that year, but not on regular pop stations.


"shows how desperate you are" How sweet of you. You can refer to a 2000 song no problem but when I refer to a 2001 song that still had some moderate success (along with a song from 2002), I'm "desperate".


A lot of people at my school still listed *NSYNC as their favorite band in the 2000/2001 yearbook, but by 2002, I heard everyone bashing groups like that to levels I was not familiar with.  Since the teen pop craze was basically expired by that point, you could talk trash about boybands and teenybopper stars unhinged.


In your experience. In mine, people hated things like NSYNC right as they got big and would talk sh!t any chance they got.

Yeah, that's just my opinion on it. Not stating it like it's some fact, though. None of these are facts.

You just always debate very passionately about 1998-2002 being a coherent era (with 2003 as the transitional year out), and I perceived that to largely be due to the contrast over how you feel over that era versus 2004 onwards.  Whatever the case, nothing I said should be taken as fact, either, it's just my own experience and levels of weighing things.  The difference in opinion makes for good debate, though.

It's still a significant chart. The album itself also charted high. I don't (or do...? Pearl Jam is pretty cheesy and bad as even Nickelback). I think it's just as cheesy as the songs you mentioned.

I guess our ears just disagree over what they hear.

Isn't that what I said? I said the N64's last strong period was the 2000 holiday season. So: SSX, Midnight Club Street Racing, Street Fighter EX3, Dynasty Warriors 2 and Armored Core 2 aren't noteworthy games? I agree that it go bigger over time (how many times to I have to state this?) but it was already a big system as soon as it launched.

So, I didn't say the the 6th gen was fully established until the XBOX and Gamecube arrived?

What I actually said "Gaming in 2002 still related to 2000." Where did I say it was "hardly any different"? I said it still had connections while acknowledging the changes that took place. I see the PS2's growth as a part of the Y2K era.

I did? When I said that the 6th generation was fully established in 2001 and the N64's decline started right after the 2000 holiday season, I made the difference seem like it was negligible? Yes, but mostly in Japan where the DVD hype was higher at the time.

I knew you said the sixth generation of gaming wasn't fully established until the release of the original XBOX and Gamecube, but you made it seem like the PS2 was the most successful console right at its release, more so than the Nintendo 64.  There were some ties between 2000 and 2002 in gaming, but I just think they're separate enough that they represent very different eras.

I see the PS2's growth as one of many factors that was transitioning popular culture out of the Y2K era and into the regular 2000s, but that's largely because I see 2001 as a more transformative year than you do.

Those are Nintendo games.

I just referred to them because they're examples of successful games released after the successive generation console was already out.  The PS1 didn't really have much in the way of exclusive classics that came out after 2001.

Couldn't we say those movies came out thanks to Toy Story, though? That's where it all began.

I suppose you could give most credit to Toy Story, it's just that the release of Shrek was when it felt like animated features began to shift tone on a broader scale.

It was, sure, but it doesn't mean it wasn't already a successful format. It wasn't the first time, though. COPS started in 1989 on FOX.

Survivor still heralded in what fans would consider the golden age of reality television.

But I didn't say it was. I said that the focus wasn't really on Urban Pop as there are a lot of softer songs on it. Beautiful is the most successful single on the album. I'd argue their images got more mature in 2000 or maybe even less noticeably late 1999 with how they started dressing.

I only bring up albums like Christina Aguilera's Stripped (Britney Spears' Britney and Justin Timberlake's Justified also fit this mold) to point out how the primary faces of Y2K-era teen pop were predominantly changing their styles as the lines between pop and hip hop started to blur more than ever before.

It's more similar to what 5ive was doing than Avril Lavigne or Hilary Duff but even then, the guitars are mixed so far in the background that I wouldn't call the tendencies "huge". The mood and vibe is similar to a song like "I Want It That Way".

I don't think it sounds much like "I Want It That Way."  The whole feel just isn't the same without the same type of instrumentation.

It was still pretty popular in 2002. So, Gone isn't but Girlfriend is?

"Girlfriend" is even more early 2000s than "Gone" because of the Neptunes beat and Nelly guest spot.

"shows how desperate you are" How sweet of you. You can refer to a 2000 song no problem but when I refer to a 2001 song that still had some moderate success (along with a song from 2002), I'm "desperate".

I say "Gone" is a desperate example because it was popular only at the very beginning of 2002.  Aside from the O-Town song (which I still think isn't the same style as most Y2K pop and was far less successful that other songs of the genre), there was very little in the way of teen pop that actually originally came out in 2002 that was truly popular.  I'm sorry if I came across rude, I only meant to say it's a lot harder to pick out teen pop hits from 2002 than from 1997-2001, and the few that there were were either carryovers from the past or not of the same style.

In your experience. In mine, people hated things like NSYNC right as they got big and would talk sh!t any chance they got.

The backlash was always highly prevalent, that much is true, but they became cooler to hate than ever because nobody was willing to openly defend them anymore.

You just always debate very passionately about 1998-2002 being a coherent era (with 2003 as the transitional year out), and I perceived that to largely be due to the contrast over how you feel over that era versus 2004 onwards.  Whatever the case, nothing I said should be taken as fact, either, it's just my own experience and levels of weighing things.  The difference in opinion makes for good debate, though.


I think all our debates are about how we feel about the eras in some way, shape or form. Nothing in this world is really objective in general, especially how we perceive anything. I am just passionate about the time I grew up during. It really is my era (being roughly 1995 to 2003. ~My younger days.) and I'm expressing how I feel things were back then like anyone else who looks back to their youth and how they choose to define their eras (like weird old dudes who are nostalgic for the 50's when they pulled their pants up to their chests and listened to "real Rock 'n' Roll! Unlike that whatyoumccallit Nerveranda crap!" or my Grandpa who thinks everything went downhill in 1980 and that we've been stuck in 1980 ever since. Then, there's TheEarly90sGuy loves his "spirit of 1990" but he's worse or almost. I don't know if anyone's worse than gramps... they're both crazy and I don't understand what they're saying half the time). Maybe I'm just bein' some borin' old coot!

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I guess our ears just disagree over what they hear.


That seems to be the case. :P


I knew you said the sixth generation of gaming wasn't fully established until the release of the original XBOX and Gamecube, but you made it seem like the PS2 was the most successful console right at its release, more so than the Nintendo 64.  There were some ties between 2000 and 2002 in gaming, but I just think they're separate enough that they represent very different eras.


I can understand how you got to that misunderstanding. I was simply saying the PS2 had reached levels compared to the N64 and after the 2000 Holiday season, the N64 started to drop. I believe the mood, vibe and style of the years are enough for me to consider them similar eras but, despite me thinking the 5th generation still had relevance, I acknowledge the change of focus to the 6th generation and I see why you think they're different eras of gaming.


I see the PS2's growth as one of many factors that was transitioning popular culture out of the Y2K era and into the regular 2000s, but that's largely because I see 2001 as a more transformative year than you do.


Yeah, that's definitely the reason.  In my opinion the PS2 is a Y2K era console. Even the Xbox and Gamecube. The early games, I just associate it with the era, you know? It's this whole vibe I get from those days that ended in 2004.


I just referred to them because they're examples of successful games released after the successive generation console was already out.  The PS1 didn't really have much in the way of exclusive classics that came out after 2001.


Oh, ok. That makes much more sense. I gotcha! ;)


I suppose you could give most credit to Toy Story, it's just that the release of Shrek was when it felt like animated features began to shift tone on a broader scale.


I see what you mean but Toy Story will always feel like the definite start of the era to me.


Survivor still heralded in what fans would consider the golden age of reality television.


Yeah, I can see why but in my opinion, the boom started earlier than that. I grew up watching the station as a kid and there's a reason I, and a lot of people I know, moved from MTV to MTV2 in the 90's.


I don't think it sounds much like "I Want It That Way."  The whole feel just isn't the same without the same type of instrumentation.


I think the two have a very similar vibe and I still see it as another Y2K era styled Teen Pop song but that's just me. Even after listening to some of Hilary Duff's early stuff, it too feels like Y2K styled Teen Pop. Avril Lavigne felt like either the "blink for tweens" (only Sk8r Boi, though) or another Alanis Morrissette female singer-songwriter type.


I say "Gone" is a desperate example because it was popular only at the very beginning of 2002.  Aside from the O-Town song (which I still think isn't the same style as most Y2K pop and was far less successful that other songs of the genre), there was very little in the way of teen pop that actually originally came out in 2002 that was truly popular.  I'm sorry if I came across rude, I only meant to say it's a lot harder to pick out teen pop hits from 2002 than from 1997-2001, and the few that there were were either carryovers from the past or not of the same style.

The backlash was always highly prevalent, that much is true, but they became cooler to hate than ever because nobody was willing to openly defend them anymore.


It made 75 on the Billboards hot 100 year end singles of 2002 and I consider that pretty important as it shows there was still relevance. That's a fair point, but in my opinion, even if it came out a different year, if it's still charting and a generally popular thing I'd say it's fair to call it about of a years culture. I do think 2002 still had enough Teen Pop (either full albums or singles which did chart considerably well. Both from 2002 and from a few years ago) to consider it a part of the era. That did come off as rude but thank you for apologizing. :)

I really don't remember anyone defending them back then. I dunno if it's the age or location difference (Even if Socal and Norcal aren't that far apart) but I remember everybody hating Boy Bands and the Teenyboppers as soon as they hit the radio.

You mean disposable cameras? Before digital cameras took over?


They still sell disposable cameras.

LOL those were the days. Going to the photo shop and waiting a day to get your photos developed off the film.  ;D

I also remember my dad taking home videos, those video cameras were HUGE  :o

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Any of you guys still hate smartphones?? >:(


I remember those times.

All early 2000s kids should know Complicated and What Dreams are Made Of by heart IMO.

I didn't hear the latter song too much as a kid.

You've haven't truly lived in the early 2000's unless you lived through "Girl All The Bad Guys Want" or "Dangers of Nu Metal". ;D

If I recall Rosie O'Donnell was very very popular during the 90s and that by the mid 2000s and late 2000s I didn't hear as much about her. Did any of you guys watch the 2002 Kids Choice Awards.


No, because I was only a toddler at the time. Plus, I didn't watch the KCAs until 2007. For Rosie O'Donnell, she's a bitch.

or does it end at 2001?


it ends in June/July 2001


September 2001 is the start of the 2000s culture

it ends in June/July 2001


September 2001 is the start of the 2000s culture

No, the year 2000 is also part of 2000s culture.

No, the year 2000 is also part of 2000s culture.
I agree, regardless of people liking it or not, 2000 (and 2009 comparingly) is still a 2000s year numerically, just like how 1990 is still the 90s regardless of all the screamingly 80s stuff it had.

No, the year 2000 is also part of 2000s culture.


Hardly as most things late 90s  ended before 9/11 hit

Please stop bumping up old decadology threads.

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