Does anyone feel that early 2007 still had a tint of classic 2000s in it?



Look at the top songs of the month for Febuary 2007

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I remember the vibe of early 2007 different than the later half of 2007.
Literally early 2007 is the cutoff date for the mid 2000s vibe (even tho it had ended in Sept of 2006)

I was 18 for most of 2007. It was VERY 00s to me. By November/December, perhaps there was a small shift.

Does anyone feel that early 2007 still had a tint of classic 2000s in it?



Look at the top songs of the month for Febuary 2007

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovEhLt3KXZs

I remember the vibe of early 2007 different than the later half of 2007.
Literally early 2007 is the cutoff date for the mid 2000s vibe (even tho it had ended in Sept of 2006)


Depends on what you mean by "classic 2000s."  I think it was classic '00s but it wasn't mid-00s.  2007 had its own feel and we were already into it when New Years 2007 hit.  It was the ultimate scene kid year and it was also the ultimate year for ringtone rap as well as Houston-based hip-hop.  All of that was underway even in the first half.  It was also the last year MySpace was more popular than Facebook.

Here are some songs I think really exemplify 2007.

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Depends on what you mean by "classic 2000s."  I think it was classic '00s but it wasn't mid-00s.  2007 had its own feel and we were already into it when New Years 2007 hit.  It was the ultimate scene kid year and it was also the ultimate year for ringtone rap as well as Houston-based hip-hop.  All of that was underway even in the first half.  It was also the last year MySpace was more popular than Facebook.

Here are some songs I think really exemplify 2007.




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This song has a mid 2000s feel 2 it

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I agree.  I mean, 2007 was only one year into the late '00s so its not like all mid-00s influences disappeared overnight.  I always hated 'Fergilicious', even back when it was popular.  It's basically a copy of 'My Humps' except 'My Humps' is much better.

The majority of the music that year had a distinct sound.  Not quite mid-00s but not quite '08-'09.

I agree.  I mean, 2007 was only one year into the late '00s so its not like all mid-00s influences disappeared overnight.  I always hated 'Fergilicious', even back when it was popular.  It's basically a copy of 'My Humps' except 'My Humps' is much better.

The majority of the music that year had a distinct sound.  Not quite mid-00s but not quite '08-'09.


I think it took awhile into 2007 to get rid of mid 2000s sound and vibe, JOJO,Ciara were the top artists on the charts this year as well.

here is an episode of TRL from late march 2007, it has the same vibe of the classic 2000s, look at the people and what they are wearing

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Definitely. I actually thought I was the only person that felt this. People were still commonly using flip phones at the school I was going to.

The whole year of 2007 felt like the classic 2000s. The Sopranos series finale, YouTube being popular, TV was still good and Soulja Boy defined the year.

Aside from The Sopranos' final season, I don't really think early 2007 was mid-2000s at all.  Pretty much everybody knew about YouTube by this point, Facebook was solidly established despite still competing against MySpace, the sixth generation of gaming was pretty much obsolete, the Wii was a craze, even though some games were still coming out for PS2, core 2000s thug rap wasn't significant anymore, Akon and T-Pain were all over the top 40, Timbaland and The-Dream had overtaken Lil' Jon as the hottest urban producers of the day, and Lindsay Lohan had officially fallen from grace.  2007 in general was the definitive year of the late 2000s.


Definitely. I actually thought I was the only person that felt this. People were still commonly using flip phones at the school I was going to.


Filp phones weren't obsolete until the early 2010s.  Even with multimedia Blackberry phones on the market, it really wasn't until the iPhone blew up that the mobile industry transformed dramatically.

Aside from The Sopranos' final season, I don't really think early 2007 was mid-2000s at all.  Pretty much everybody knew about YouTube by this point, Facebook was solidly established despite still competing against MySpace, the sixth generation of gaming was pretty much obsolete, the Wii was a craze, even though some games were still coming out for PS2, core 2000s thug rap wasn't significant anymore, Akon and T-Pain were all over the top 40, Timbaland and The-Dream had overtaken Lil' Jon as the hottest urban producers of the day, and Lindsay Lohan had officially fallen from grace.  2007 in general was the definitive year of the late 2000s.


Yeah, but it kinda felt like the mid 2000s. I know that filp-phones weren't even obsolete until the early 2010s and other stuff, but it seemed like it in my opinion.

Yeah, but it kinda felt like the mid 2000s. I know that filp-phones weren't even obsolete until the early 2010s and other stuff, but it seemed like it in my opinion.


How specifically did it still seem like the mid-2000s?  While I can classify 2007 as a whole to be the final year of the classic 2000s, there's no way in the world I would call it mid-2000s, unless your definition of the late 2000s extends as far as 2011 or something.  I distinctly remember early 2007 feeling dramatically different from just a year earlier, thanks to the Web 2.0 era being in full swing and the youth culture defined by very different figures.

Definitely. I actually thought I was the only person that felt this. People were still commonly using flip phones at the school I was going to.

Yep RAZRS were still the 1# phone lmao
Sidekicks were still big as well.

Filp phones weren't obsolete until the early 2010s.  Even with multimedia Blackberry phones on the market, it really wasn't until the iPhone blew up that the mobile industry transformed dramatically.


Yeah.  Smartphones are really a '10s thing.  Most people didn't have them in the '00s.  The iPhone came out in 2007 but a lot of people didn't jump on board until they were able to choose carriers other than AT&T.  Plus, the first one wasn't even 3G capable and by the late '00s, 3G was pretty standard.

RAZRs were HUGE in 2007 and a lot of people thought they were futuristic because they are so slim and sleek and had a larger screen than most previous flip phones.

How specifically did it still seem like the mid-2000s?  While I can classify 2007 as a whole to be the final year of the classic 2000s, there's no way in the world I would call it mid-2000s, unless your definition of the late 2000s extends as far as 2011 or something.  I distinctly remember early 2007 feeling dramatically different from just a year earlier, thanks to the Web 2.0 era being in full swing and the youth culture defined by very different figures.


I have to disagree with you, early 2007 felt like much the mid 2000s for various reasons. Gwen Stefani, JOJO, Justin Timberlake, Hilary Duff all had hits during this EARLY era as well as Avril Levigne, even tho Myspace was not as popular as the year before it was still mega huge. Somewhere in 2007 all the mid feel FELL off, but for the first few months of 2007 it felt exactly the same as 2005 2006. The reason why 2007 is not counted as a classic year is because there is only 3 months of it that make it up.  I am not endorsing 2007 as a classic year whatsover, but lets call it how it is,  early 2007 was def a mid 2000s feeling year.

2007 was the last full year of the core 2000's, but it was the first full year late 2000's culture was more dominant than mid 2000's culture, and it was not the classic 2000's anymore. By then 7th generation gaming was in full effect, social media and blogging on websites got real big because I remember Youtube and Myspace being VERY popular at the time, flip phones were at its peak. I remember some weird minor tragedies happening this year. Like Michael Vick (former ATL Falcons QB) getting kicked off the team and put in jail for fighting with dogs, Britney Spears shaving her head off, also 2007 was the last year core 2000's movies were dominant too. Movies like Shrek the Third, Spiderman 3, Ratatouille, Pirates of the Caribbean World's End, Fantastic Four: Silver Surfer, The Simpsons Movie, etc. Looking back 2007 was definitely one of the best year of movies of the 2000's decade. 2007 also seemed to mark the end of core 2000's TV shows too, like That's So Raven and Drake & Josh coming to an end for good.

I have to disagree with you, early 2007 felt like much the mid 2000s for various reasons. Gwen Stefani, JOJO, Justin Timberlake, Hilary Duff all had hits during this EARLY era as well as Avril Levigne, even tho Myspace was not as popular as the year before it was still mega huge. Somewhere in 2007 all the mid feel FELL off, but for the first few months of 2007 it felt exactly the same as 2005 2006. The reason why 2007 is not counted as a classic year is because there is only 3 months of it that make it up.  I am not endorsing 2007 as a classic year whatsover, but lets call it how it is,  early 2007 was def a mid 2000s feeling year.


I think your personal life and scene can play a part in this as well.  For me, 2007 was a very different year from 2005 or 06, right from the very beginning.  In terms of transition from mid to late '00s culture, it doesn't happen overnight.  There is always a transition.  2012 for instance was a mix of early '10s electropop and mid '10s teen pop.  For me, 2007 was the year that bridged the core '00s and the late '00s (2008-09), but doesn't really fit into either.

What was special about 2007 was that it's the very first year of my life I'm really keeping up with the songs/music coming out on a regular basis, rather it's mainstream or not. I start becoming more familiar with more artists and celebrities throughout this time, even though I already knew a few popular artists from my parents before 2007 hit. My memories of the pop culture and worldly events surrounding me become crystal clear by this year.

I think your personal life and scene can play a part in this as well.  For me, 2007 was a very different year from 2005 or 06, right from the very beginning.  In terms of transition from mid to late '00s culture, it doesn't happen overnight.  There is always a transition.  2012 for instance was a mix of early '10s electropop and mid '10s teen pop.  For me, 2007 was the year that bridged the core '00s and the late '00s (2008-09), but doesn't really fit into either.


Took the words out of my mouth!

What was special about 2007 was that it's the very first year of my life I'm really keeping up with the songs/music coming out on a regular basis, rather it's mainstream or not. I start becoming more familiar with more artists and celebrities throughout this time, even though I already knew a few popular artists from my parents before 2007 hit. My memories of the pop culture and worldly events surrounding me become crystal clear by this year.



2007 was a nightmare lol for most of it

Yeah, 2007 was a year of it's own. Not quite mid-2000's but not quite late-2000's.

Yeah, 2007 was a year of it's own. Not quite mid-2000's but not quite late-2000's.


So you are saying 2007 was standalone year, the first few months had mid 2000s influences tho

2007 was a nightmare lol for most of it


For me, 2007 was significant but it wasn't a great year until the end.  It was my last year of college and my last year living with my parents.  I did like the culture of that era though.

For me, 2007 was significant but it wasn't a great year until the end.  It was my last year of college and my last year living with my parents.  I did like the culture of that era though.


2008 was better than 2007 in every way

2008 was better than 2007 in every way


I agree, with one exception; the economy.  2007 was the last year the economy was good before the Great Recession started to take hold.  In my life, 2008 was one of the best years for me personally and I think the culture beats 2007 was well, but there was the shadow of the recession.

I agree, with one exception; the economy.  2007 was the last year the economy was good before the Great Recession started to take hold.  In my life, 2008 was one of the best years for me personally and I think the culture beats 2007 was well, but there was the shadow of the recession.

Yeah , 2008 was so much fun LMAO its hard to talk smack about this year  (minus the end with the economy burst)
The thing with 2007 culture is it was VERY bland everything was running off of 2006's fumes and it just seemed like sheesh.
Infact 2008 seems like a distant cousin of 2006. 2007 has a hard time fitting it the canon of 2000s.

So you are saying 2007 was standalone year, the first few months had mid 2000s influences tho


Pretty much. The first few months, sure, but as a whole it's in the middle between the mid-00's and the late-00's. It doesn't really fit in with 2004-2006 very well but even 2008 is a bit different than 2007.

Pretty much. The first few months, sure, but as a whole it's in the middle between the mid-00's and the late-00's. It doesn't really fit in with 2004-2006 very well but even 2008 is a bit different than 2007.

yeah like its not even canon lmao

yeah like its not even canon lmao


Hahaha! That's the perfect way to put it!

I think your personal life and scene can play a part in this as well.  For me, 2007 was a very different year from 2005 or 06, right from the very beginning.  In terms of transition from mid to late '00s culture, it doesn't happen overnight.  There is always a transition.  2012 for instance was a mix of early '10s electropop and mid '10s teen pop.  For me, 2007 was the year that bridged the core '00s and the late '00s (2008-09), but doesn't really fit into either.


2007 was a highly transitional year in my personal life because it was when I graduated from my public middle school and then began at my private high school, which had a completely different vibe and was not even in the same part of town.  I feel significantly more attached personally to my high school than my middle school or even my college.  Despite this huge milestone, however, I don't remember popular culture itself seeming much different at all during 9th grade compared to 8th.  People seemed mostly into the same type of music as the year before, and I already felt extremely familiar with Wikipedia and YouTube in 8th grade.

On the other hand, I can admit to my personal life somewhat affecting my perception of when the late 2000s became the early 2010s because 10th grade to the beginning of 11th was a huge period of transition, both for me, as well as my school.  2009 was my school's centennial, and with it came the retirement of our headmaster, who had served since 1983.  The 2009-2010 school year was also the first time we had a 6th grade class.  Besides that, I also became an upperclassman, finally making it onto the varsity cross country team and holding more of a leadership position in the jazz band.  I was already heavily affected by world events and evolving trends throughout 10th grade, from the onset of the Recession, to the election of Obama, to the passing of Prop 8, to the advent of Lady Gaga and subsequently evolution in music.  However, I think my school's coincidental transformation fueled this "new era" mentality further than ever, to the point where I simply viewed 2009 as the black sheep of the 2000s.


I have to disagree with you, early 2007 felt like much the mid 2000s for various reasons. Gwen Stefani, JOJO, Justin Timberlake, Hilary Duff all had hits during this EARLY era as well as Avril Levigne, even tho Myspace was not as popular as the year before it was still mega huge. Somewhere in 2007 all the mid feel FELL off, but for the first few months of 2007 it felt exactly the same as 2005 2006. The reason why 2007 is not counted as a classic year is because there is only 3 months of it that make it up.  I am not endorsing 2007 as a classic year whatsover, but lets call it how it is,  early 2007 was def a mid 2000s feeling year.


Hilary Duff was long past her prime by the time 2007 arrived; she had been insignificant since 2005, really.  Gwen Stefani's The Sweet Escape album was nowhere near as successful as Love Angel Music Baby aside from the title track, which features Akon (an extremely frequent guest on late 2000s pop hits).  While Justin Timberlake was definitely popular in the early 2000s, Justified was distinctly a product of its time, whereas FutureSex/LoveSounds was quintessentially late 2000s.  Most of the hits singles on the former were produced by the Neptunes, whereas Timbaland was at the heart of the latter album (he had produced Cry Me a River from Justified, but his golden era was definitely the late 2000s).  Avril Lavigne is really a representative of the 2000s as a whole, having released significant albums in the early 2000s (Let Go), mid-2000s (Under My Skin), and late 2000s (The Best Damn Thing), as well as the early 2010s (Goodbye Lullaby).  Her having a #1 hit in 2007 doesn't make the year distinctly mid-2000s.  MySpace's prime was the mid-2000s, but it remained highly relevant during the late 2000s, as well.  Just the fact that it now had to contend with Facebook is pretty significant.

How could early 2007 have been "exactly the same as 2005 2006" when there was such an onslaught of cultural changes during 2006 that ultimately shaped the late 2000s?  People certainly weren't very familiar at all with YouTube in 2005 or the first half of 2006, nobody knew about Facebook except in certain college communities, the Wii and PS3 still hadn't been released, thug rappers like 50 Cent and Chamillionaire were still quite successful on the charts, Lindsay Lohan was still the queen of adolescent film, places like Sam Goody were still open, Lil' Jon was still the most popular music producer of the day instead of Timbaland, the list of key differences really just keeps going on.  I'm frankly surprised that so many people are describing early 2007 as mid-2000s, considering the apparent consensus in this thread.

Regardless of whether their 2006/2007 albums were better than their early 2000s counterparts they were still on the radio 24/7, at this time Hilary Duff was changing into a more mature image. Her new album songs were being played everywhere during this time, Facebook was already out in August of 2006 being rolled out slowly. The vibe of the 2000s got changed a tad bit in late 2006 due to ps3,wii and music changing slowly, but the overall vibe spilled over into the first few months of 2007. This is about early 2007 not 2007 the whole entire year. its quite normal for a year to spill over a little bit. And in 2007 people were on the same 2004 2005 2006 mentality.



Hilary Duffs album was getting major promotion she did not fall off, she had the 1# video on TRL for 2 months and even had a commercial playing for cover girl.

What was special about 2007 was that it's the very first year of my life I'm really keeping up with the songs/music coming out on a regular basis, rather it's mainstream or not. I start becoming more familiar with more artists and celebrities throughout this time, even though I already knew a few popular artists from my parents before 2007 hit. My memories of the pop culture and worldly events surrounding me become crystal clear by this year.

You didn't keep up with some of those things prior to 11 years old? ???

Overall, 2007 was late 2000s WITHOUT QUESTION! Infinity is correct! There was a major cultural shift in late 20006 that ended the mid 2000s and started the late 2000s. Late 2006-mid 2008 was its own thing or period.

Overall, 2007 was late 2000s WITHOUT QUESTION! Infinity is correct! There was a major cultural shift in late 20006 that ended the mid 2000s and started the late 2000s. Late 2006-mid 2008 was its own thing or period.


Early 2007 was def late 2000s, but I am saying it still felt like the mid 2000s for those first few months

You didn't keep up with some of those things prior to 11 years old? ???


Not what the teens and young adults cared about on the news. The only music I remember prior to 2007 was through my parents, but I do remember 50 cent in his prime though. As a kid from 3-10 years old I didn't care about celebrities or the mainstream pop culture.

Not what the teens and young adults cared about on the news. The only music I remember prior to 2007 was through my parents, but I do remember 50 cent in his prime though. As a kid from 3-10 years old I didn't care about celebrities or the mainstream pop culture.


Spears going crazy and shaving her head was prob the first thing you saw lol

Regardless of whether their 2006/2007 albums were better than their early 2000s counterparts they were still on the radio 24/7, at this time Hilary Duff was changing into a more mature image. Her new album songs were being played everywhere during this time, Facebook was already out in August of 2006 being rolled out slowly. The vibe of the 2000s got changed a tad bit in late 2006 due to ps3,wii and music changing slowly, but the overall vibe spilled over into the first few months of 2007. This is about early 2007 not 2007 the whole entire year. its quite normal for a year to spill over a little bit. And in 2007 people were on the same 2004 2005 2006 mentality.

In my opinion, the late 2000s had already arrived by late 2006, so the beginning of 2007 being comparable to that time hardly makes it mid-2000s.  There was a lot more change in the year 2006 than you give credit to; read through the thread I linked to, and you'll see what I mean.

Hilary Duffs album was getting major promotion she did not fall off, she had the 1# video on TRL for 2 months and even had a commercial playing for cover girl.


She did have a respectable hit with With Love in 2007, but it wasn't on nearly the same level of popularity as her earlier work like Come Clean.  2007 in pop was all about artists like Fergie and Loose-era Nelly Furtado, both of whom burst onto the scene in the summer of '06.

Spears going crazy and shaving her head was prob the first thing you saw lol


Yep, I knew of her before then, but when I heard of her shaving her head back in 6th grade, then that's probably the 1st time she ever got more of my attention about her. I remember Michael Vick's scandal with the dogs as well, and I was one of the ones who hated it cause I was a Falcons fan. My parents didn't expose me to teen pop music in the early 2000's. We were into rap/hip-hop, R&B, gospel, and other mainstream music from artists that were not teen pop. I can easily remember Who Let the Dogs Out, 50 cent, Mariah Carey, Outkast, etc. when I was a kid.

Definitely. I actually thought I was the only person that felt this. People were still commonly using flip phones at the school I was going to.


I remember when people were still using flip phones.

All of 2007 was still classic 2000s to me. I wish I could go back to that year. One of my favourite years in my life.

All of 2007 was still classic 2000s to me. I wish I could go back to that year. One of my favourite years in my life.

It no longer felt like classic 00s that would be the mid 2000s, 2007 was more like modern 00s.

It no longer felt like classic 00s that would be the mid 2000s, 2007 was more like modern 00s.

2007 still felt classic to me. Flip phones were still popular, MySpace was still popular, YouTube was in its golden age, Facebook only started to get popular but most people didn't use it and where still on MySpace, Windows XP still widely used, music still had  00's sound and artist. 2007 was definitely a classic 00's year to me. Then a major shift happened in 2008.

It no longer felt like classic 00s that would be the mid 2000s, 2007 was more like modern 00s.


I think the term 'classic' gets mixed up easily with the 'mid' prefix when the former is really a much broader term.  In my view, a classic decade year is one which is pretty much unambiguously part of its decade; there may be a minimal influence from the preceding or following decade (as is always the case), but a classic year feels comfortably removed from all decades except its own.  For instance, though I consider both 1992 and 1993 early 90s years, 1992 still had a sizable tinge of 80s influence due to shows like Saved By the Bell and Cheers still being on television, as well as hair bands like Guns N' Roses and FireHouse still outperforming alternative bands on the charts; Bush the Elder was also still President of the United States.  By 1993, however, these prominent 80s influences were either minuscule or nonexistent; the year is clearly separate from the 1980s, even with eraser hair and new wave still holding on in some form.  It's because of all of this that a lot of people mark 1993 as the beginning of the mid-90s, even though I would personally argue that this particular shift didn't come until 1994, which had things like the death of Cobain, breakthrough of pop punk, post-grunge, and britpop, premiere of Friends, advent of Biggie, Jim Carrey emerge as the biggest film comedian of the day, and first serious stages of Sega's fall from grace with the failure of the 32X and SNES's revitalization with Donkey Kong Country.

With all that in mind, I agree that all of 2007 was a classic 2000s year, even though it simultaneously felt much more modern than the preceding seven years.  2008 was really when the classic 2000s were gone, as that was when the dominant trends of the decade were predominantly past their peak and the early 2010s were in much clearer sight.

This is how I would personally describe the "classic" periods of each decade beginning with the 60s:

Classic 60s - Late 1963 to Mid-1969:  Begins with JFK Assassination/Beatlemania; ends with Moon Landing/premieres of early 70s shows like Monty Python's Flying Circus, Sesame Street, and The Brady Bunch
Classic 70s - 1973 to Early 1979:  Begins with Paris Peace Accords/breakthrough of Pong/Love Train climbing to #1/Watergate investigations taking off; ends with Disco Demolition Night/death of Sid Vicious
Classic 80s - 1983 to 1989:  Begins with the release of Thriller video/release of Flashdance & Risky Business/improvement of the economy; ends with the conclusion of the Reagan Presidency/fall of the Berlin Wall/release of The Little Mermaid
Classic 90s - 1993 to 1998:  Begins with first Clinton Inauguration/mainstream breakthrough of gangsta rap/hair bands disappearing from the mainstream for good; ends with debut of the Baby One More Time video/launch of Windows 98/decline of Puff Daddy & Mase
Classic 2000s - 2003 to 2007:  Begins with the start of the Iraq War/release of In Da Club; ends with early stages of the Great Recession/Obamamania
Classic 2010s - 2012 to present:  Begins with iPhones and tablets being ubiquitous/Gangnam Style hitting 1 billion YouTube views/rise of the side-buzz/beginning of George Zimmerman controversy

2007 still felt classic to me. Flip phones were still popular, MySpace was still popular, YouTube was in its golden age, Facebook only started to get popular but most people didn't use it and where still on MySpace, Windows XP still widely used, music still had  00's sound and artist. 2007 was definitely a classic 00's year to me. Then a major shift happened in 2008.


This.

In terms of technology, 2007 was the year of the Vista backlash, leading XP to remain popular through end of support in 2014.  Even after Windows 7 came out, a lot of people, especially businesses and power users, refused to move beyond XP.

In terms of music, it was hip-hop that saw the most change in 2007.  That was the year that hip-hop shifted from being dominated by crunk to ringtone and snap rap.  It was also the year you started to hear hip-hop with stronger melodic synths and basslines, the sound that came to dominate the genre in 2008 and 2009.

I think the term 'classic' gets mixed up easily with the 'mid' prefix when the former is really a much broader term

Classic 60s - Late 1963 to Mid-1969:  Begins with JFK Assassination/Beatlemania; ends with Moon Landing/premieres of early 70s shows like Monty Python's Flying Circus, Sesame Street, and The Brady Bunch
Classic 70s - 1973 to Early 1979:  Begins with Paris Peace Accords/breakthrough of Pong/Love Train climbing to #1/Watergate investigations taking off; ends with Disco Demolition Night/death of Sid Vicious
Classic 80s - 1983 to 1989:  Begins with the release of Thriller video/release of Flashdance & Risky Business/improvement of the economy; ends with the conclusion of the Reagan Presidency/fall of the Berlin Wall/release of The Little Mermaid
Classic 90s - 1993 to 1998:  Begins with first Clinton Inauguration/mainstream breakthrough of gangsta rap/hair bands disappearing from the mainstream for good; ends with debut of the Baby One More Time video/launch of Windows 98/decline of Puff Daddy & Mase
Classic 2000s - 2003 to 2007:  Begins with the start of the Iraq War/release of In Da Club; ends with early stages of the Great Recession/Obamamania
Classic 2010s - 2012 to present:  Begins with iPhones and tablets being ubiquitous/Gangnam Style hitting 1 billion YouTube views/rise of the side-buzz/beginning of George Zimmerman controversy


Sometimes I get classic, core, and mid confused! ???

This.

In terms of technology, 2007 was the year of the Vista backlash, leading XP to remain popular through end of support in 2014.  Even after Windows 7 came out, a lot of people, especially businesses and power users, refused to move beyond XP.


Funny thing is, I remember back in the core 2000's years (2004-2007) when tons of businesses and schools would still NOT go past Windows 98 yet. It really wasn't until 2008 or 2009 when I finally started seeing everybody officially upgraded to Windows XP long after it had been out.

I think the term 'classic' gets mixed up easily with the 'mid' prefix when the former is really a much broader term.  In my view, a classic decade year is one which is pretty much unambiguously part of its decade; there may be a minimal influence from the preceding or following decade (as is always the case), but a classic year feels comfortably removed from all decades except its own.  For instance, though I consider both 1992 and 1993 early 90s years, 1992 still had a sizable tinge of 80s influence due to shows like Saved By the Bell and Cheers still being on television, as well as hair bands like Guns N' Roses and FireHouse still outperforming alternative bands on the charts; Bush the Elder was also still President of the United States.  By 1993, however, these prominent 80s influences were either minuscule or nonexistent; the year is clearly separate from the 1980s, even with eraser hair and new wave still holding on in some form.  It's because of all of this that a lot of people mark 1993 as the beginning of the mid-90s, even though I would personally argue that this particular shift didn't come until 1994, which had things like the death of Cobain, breakthrough of pop punk, post-grunge, and britpop, premiere of Friends, advent of Biggie, Jim Carrey emerge as the biggest film comedian of the day, and first serious stages of Sega's fall from grace with the failure of the 32X and SNES's revitalization with Donkey Kong Country.

With all that in mind, I agree that all of 2007 was a classic 2000s year, even though it simultaneously felt much more modern than the preceding seven years.  2008 was really when the classic 2000s were gone, as that was when the dominant trends of the decade were predominantly past their peak and the early 2010s were in much clearer sight.

This is how I would personally describe the "classic" periods of each decade beginning with the 60s:

Classic 60s - Late 1963 to Mid-1969:  Begins with JFK Assassination/Beatlemania; ends with Moon Landing/premieres of early 70s shows like Monty Python's Flying Circus, Sesame Street, and The Brady Bunch
Classic 70s - 1973 to Early 1979:  Begins with Paris Peace Accords/breakthrough of Pong/Love Train climbing to #1/Watergate investigations taking off; ends with Disco Demolition Night/death of Sid Vicious
Classic 80s - 1983 to 1989:  Begins with the release of Thriller video/release of Flashdance & Risky Business/improvement of the economy; ends with the conclusion of the Reagan Presidency/fall of the Berlin Wall/release of The Little Mermaid
Classic 90s - 1993 to 1998:  Begins with first Clinton Inauguration/mainstream breakthrough of gangsta rap/hair bands disappearing from the mainstream for good; ends with debut of the Baby One More Time video/launch of Windows 98/decline of Puff Daddy & Mase
Classic 2000s - 2003 to 2007:  Begins with the start of the Iraq War/release of In Da Club; ends with early stages of the Great Recession/Obamamania
Classic 2010s - 2012 to present:  Begins with iPhones and tablets being ubiquitous/Gangnam Style hitting 1 billion YouTube views/rise of the side-buzz/beginning of George Zimmerman controversy


Id say this is very accurate

Funny thing is, I remember back in the core 2000's years (2004-2007) when tons of businesses and schools would still NOT go past Windows 98 yet. It really wasn't until 2008 or 2009 when I finally started seeing everybody officially upgraded to Windows XP long after it had been out.


Yeah your right. You also had a lot of people still using AOL in 2004-2006, despite being past its peak

Sometimes I get classic, core, and mid confused! ???


Why is that? ???

I think the term 'classic' gets mixed up easily with the 'mid' prefix when the former is really a much broader term.  In my view, a classic decade year is one which is pretty much unambiguously part of its decade; there may be a minimal influence from the preceding or following decade (as is always the case), but a classic year feels comfortably removed from all decades except its own.  For instance, though I consider both 1992 and 1993 early 90s years, 1992 still had a sizable tinge of 80s influence due to shows like Saved By the Bell and Cheers still being on television, as well as hair bands like Guns N' Roses and FireHouse still outperforming alternative bands on the charts; Bush the Elder was also still President of the United States.  By 1993, however, these prominent 80s influences were either minuscule or nonexistent; the year is clearly separate from the 1980s, even with eraser hair and new wave still holding on in some form.  It's because of all of this that a lot of people mark 1993 as the beginning of the mid-90s, even though I would personally argue that this particular shift didn't come until 1994, which had things like the death of Cobain, breakthrough of pop punk, post-grunge, and britpop, premiere of Friends, advent of Biggie, Jim Carrey emerge as the biggest film comedian of the day, and first serious stages of Sega's fall from grace with the failure of the 32X and SNES's revitalization with Donkey Kong Country.

With all that in mind, I agree that all of 2007 was a classic 2000s year, even though it simultaneously felt much more modern than the preceding seven years.  2008 was really when the classic 2000s were gone, as that was when the dominant trends of the decade were predominantly past their peak and the early 2010s were in much clearer sight.

This is how I would personally describe the "classic" periods of each decade beginning with the 60s:

Classic 60s - Late 1963 to Mid-1969:  Begins with JFK Assassination/Beatlemania; ends with Moon Landing/premieres of early 70s shows like Monty Python's Flying Circus, Sesame Street, and The Brady Bunch
Classic 70s - 1973 to Early 1979:  Begins with Paris Peace Accords/breakthrough of Pong/Love Train climbing to #1/Watergate investigations taking off; ends with Disco Demolition Night/death of Sid Vicious
Classic 80s - 1983 to 1989:  Begins with the release of Thriller video/release of Flashdance & Risky Business/improvement of the economy; ends with the conclusion of the Reagan Presidency/fall of the Berlin Wall/release of The Little Mermaid
Classic 90s - 1993 to 1998:  Begins with first Clinton Inauguration/mainstream breakthrough of gangsta rap/hair bands disappearing from the mainstream for good; ends with debut of the Baby One More Time video/launch of Windows 98/decline of Puff Daddy & Mase
Classic 2000s - 2003 to 2007:  Begins with the start of the Iraq War/release of In Da Club; ends with early stages of the Great Recession/Obamamania
Classic 2010s - 2012 to present:  Begins with iPhones and tablets being ubiquitous/Gangnam Style hitting 1 billion YouTube views/rise of the side-buzz/beginning of George Zimmerman controversy

Overall, well done I'd change it to 2003 to 2004, but that's just me personally.

Overall, well done I'd change it to 2003 to 2004, but that's just me personally.


Same here, but then again, I wonder if "classic" 2000's means something different than "core" 2000's, or most indefinitely "mid" 2000's especially if you're referring to 2003 which was still clearly an early 2000's year.

Well 2004 defines the 2000s more to me than 2007. And 2005 may be the most classic 00's year. But 2007 is still classic, just doesn't define the 00's as good as 2004, 2005 and even 2006.

Same here, but then again, I wonder if "classic" 2000's means something different than "core" 2000's, or most indefinitely "mid" 2000's especially if you're referring to 2003 which was still clearly an early 2000's year.


I just think people overrate the 90s influence during the post-9/11 early 2000s.  Even though Friends and Frasier were still on television and Cartoon Network and Nickelodeon were still in their golden eras, the feel and look of 2003 still seemed unquestionably 2000s, in my opinion, especially with 50 Cent now the biggest rapper of the day and Evanescence the hottest rock band.

I just think people overrate the 90s influence during the post-9/11 early 2000s.  Even though Friends and Frasier were still on television and Cartoon Network and Nickelodeon were still in their golden eras, the feel and look of 2003 still seemed unquestionably 2000s, in my opinion, especially with 50 Cent now the biggest rapper of the day and Evanescence the hottest rock band.


Well let's get this straight, if late 90's culture or influences were dead by the time 9/11 happened, and people tend to say 2003 was a core 2000's year when there was absolutely NOTHING millennial anymore, then same thing would have to be said about 2002 as well. 2002 & most of 2003 were hardly any different pop culturally. Yes 2003 was when the transition into the core 2000's started happening, but it wouldn't be until the late part of the year though.

Well let's get this straight, if late 90's culture or influences were dead by the time 9/11 happened, and people tend to say 2003 was a core 2000's year when there was absolutely NOTHING millennial anymore, then same thing would have to be said about 2002 as well. 2002 & most of 2003 were hardly any different pop culturally. Yes 2003 was when the transition into the core 2000's started happening, but it wouldn't be until the late part of the year though.


I'd argue a couple of things:

- 2002 felt a lot closer to 2000 and 2001 than it did to 2003

- I'd say even the mid part of 2003 already had some core 2000's attributes to it. Very small example to get my point across: Fall Out Boy's Take This To Your Grave, for example, was released in May 2003 and that whole album feels like a bridge between the 1998 Pop Punk and the 2004 Pop Punk.

Other than that, you're right. 2003 isn't really a core 2000's year because there's too much of the Y2K era still going strong.

2003 felt very 2000s. In Da Club is a signature 2000s song. Honestly the early 2000s (2000-2002) don't feel 90s, they feel more 2000s just with 90s holdovers. The 90s remains were completely gone by 2003.

Well let's get this straight, if late 90's culture or influences were dead by the time 9/11 happened, and people tend to say 2003 was a core 2000's year when there was absolutely NOTHING millennial anymore, then same thing would have to be said about 2002 as well. 2002 & most of 2003 were hardly any different pop culturally. Yes 2003 was when the transition into the core 2000's started happening, but it wouldn't be until the late part of the year though.


Late 90s culture was already on its way out during the 2000-2001 school year and subsequent summer leading to 9/11.  Things like Survivor, Shrek, the mainstream breakthrough of second wave pop punk and post grunge, emergence of The Neptunes, establishment of artists like Linkin Park, Ja Rule, and Missy Elliott; the decline of teen pop, the death of Napster, George W. Bush being President of the United States, end of Pokémania, end of the Disney Renaissance, Sega discontinuing their line of home consoles, the release of the PS2 and Gameboy Advance, etc. were all pretty clear signs that the 90s were on their last legs.  While the early 2000s have a decent amount of millennial era influence, it really only truly extends back to 1999, which I don't consider classic 90s, anyways.  Things like flannel shirts, pre-Chronic 2001 gangsta rap, boybands, Sega, and classic Simpsons were long gone during most of the early 2000s.

2003 felt very 2000s. In Da Club is a signature 2000s song. Honestly the early 2000s (2000-2002) don't feel 90s, they feel more 2000s just with 90s holdovers. The 90s remains were completely gone by 2003.


If the 90s remains were completely gone by 2003, then it was gone by late 2001 and 2002 too, no way around it.

If the 90s remains were completely gone by 2003, then it was gone by late 2001 and 2002 too, no way around it.

Yep!! Late 2001-2003/early 04 were the real early 2000s.

There should be an early 2000s cultural debate!!! ;D :D

If the 90s remains were completely gone by 2003, then it was gone by late 2001 and 2002 too, no way around it.


Not necessarily true.  Influences from the previous decade can last into the first few years of a new cultural decade, but their disappearance doesn't necessarily mark the end of the early part of the new decade.  In 1993, hair metal disappeared, Clinton became President, and Bush '41 fads like NKOTB, TMNT, and Saved By the Bell were no longer significant, but despite all of this, the year still felt predominantly early 90s, since things like the Sega Genesis, peak of the Disney Renaissance, Nirvana, Doug, and Ren & Stimpy were still very much in their prime, not yet having given way to mid-90s things like britpop, Donkey Kong Country, and The Notorious B.I.G.

If the 90s remains were completely gone by 2003, then it was gone by late 2001 and 2002 too, no way around it.

Maybe you're right I was too young to remember. A lot of kids on say early 2000s were the 90s which we know isn't true. If there were any remains of the 90s in the early 00's they wouldn't be very significant.

I was still a college undergrad in early 07, coming off a somewhat busy semester (I checked my grades and was relieved to get a "C" in this one class that I struggled in) and about to start another semester of challenging courses. Some memorable times for me. :)

Maybe you're right I was too young to remember. A lot of kids on say early 2000s were the 90s which we know isn't true. If there were any remains of the 90s in the early 00's they wouldn't be very significant.


You should definitely be old enough to remember the early 2000's crystal clearly! Maybe not the mainstream pop culture, celebrities, or major news, but at least the kid type pop culture or stuff that "early 2000's kids" did in general, considering that you were 5-8 from 2000-2003 and were in Kindergarten through 3rd grade before 2004. Maybe your memories aren't that good, or you were one of those kids who played outside a lot more throughout most of childhood and didn't watch a lot of TV, play games, or keep up with the pop culture or stuff until much later on. Everybody is different.

You should definitely be old enough to remember the early 2000's crystal clearly, and not vaguely, maybe not the mainstream pop culture, celebrities, or major news, but at least the kid type pop culture or stuff that "early 2000's kids" did in general, considering that you were 5-8 from 2000-2003 and were in Kindergarten through 3rd grade before 2004. Maybe your memories aren't that good, or you were one of those kids who played outside a lot more throughout most of childhood and didn't watch a lot of TV, play games, or keep up with the pop culture or stuff until much later on. Everybody is different.

You're right, he should remember the ENTIRE early 2000s crystal clear like I do. But I guess he probably wasn't that big into the importance of pop culture than.

You should definitely be old enough to remember the early 2000's crystal clearly! Maybe not the mainstream pop culture, celebrities, or major news that mostly teens/adults focused on, but at least the kid type pop culture or stuff that "early 2000's kids" did in general, considering that you were 5-8 from 2000-2003 and were in Kindergarten through 3rd grade before 2004. Maybe your memories aren't that good, or you were one of those kids who played outside a lot more throughout most of childhood and didn't watch a lot of TV, play games, or keep up with the pop culture or stuff until much later on. Everybody is different.

I do remember early 2000s clearly and a little bit of late 90s. But I'm saying I was too young to distinguish the late 90s from the eary 00's  ;D

You're right, he should remember the ENTIRE early 2000s crystal clear like I do. But I guess he probably wasn't that big into the importance of pop culture than.

I do remember as these were the years of my childhood and most of the cool stuff I grew up with came out in the early 00's. I just meant I can't remember what the era or years 'felt like'. Being 5-8 years old, I knew what year we were in. I did not know anything about eras and decades though.

Late 90s culture was already on its way out during the 2000-2001 school year and subsequent summer leading to 9/11.  Things like Survivor, Shrek, the mainstream breakthrough of second wave pop punk and post grunge, emergence of The Neptunes, establishment of artists like Linkin Park, Ja Rule, and Missy Elliott; the decline of teen pop, the death of Napster, George W. Bush being President of the United States, end of Pokémania, end of the Disney Renaissance, Sega discontinuing their line of home consoles, the release of the PS2 and Gameboy Advance, etc. were all pretty clear signs that the 90s were on their last legs.  While the early 2000s have a decent amount of millennial era influence, it really only truly extends back to 1999, which I don't consider classic 90s, anyways.  Things like flannel shirts, pre-Chronic 2001 gangsta rap, boybands, Sega, and classic Simpsons were long gone during most of the early 2000s.


The stuff from the core 90's was done like dinner by late 1997. It's true remains of 1996 and 1997 were still there until 2003 but once 1998 came around it was a new era than 1993-1997 which is the absolute utmost 90's. 1998 is when stuff like Americana, Act Your Age, Follow the Leader, Diabolus in Musica and Significant Other came out and all that stuff could of fit in with the 2000-2002 vibe. Stuff like Shrek, Linkin Park, Ja Rule, Missy Elliott could of totally fit in with the vibe of 1998 or 1999 and some of it did come out around that time. Linkin Park released the Hybrid Theory EP in 1999, Ja Rule - Venni Vetti Vecci in 1999, Missy Elliot - Supa Dupa Fly in 1997 (of all years!) etc, etc. Gangsta rap also changed it's sound around 1997. Lil Jon released his debut in 1997 and some songs actually sound like they could be popular during the core 2000's! Even 50 Cent debuted during 1998, though, it wasn't until 1999 that he started making his own music. Of course, even though Sega discontinued making their consoles in 2001, they did start the next generation consoles in 1998 and games were released for the Dreamcast until 2003. The iMac was released during 1998 and it was a pretty big thing at the time. The Real World Road Rules Challenge also debuted in 1998. People forget reality TV was still a big thing during the late 90's. Also, the PS2 was actually supposed to launch in 1999 but the demand was so high they didn't have enough units so they moved the date over to 2000. Flannel shirts died around the time I got into high school in 1996. We've already discussed in another thread before and I still hold the opinion that the second wave cemented when Dookie and Smash came out because Pop Punk was already a huge underground thing by 1986 (80s bands like Screeching Weasel are the real first wave). 2003, on the other hand, was quite a bit different than 2000-2002 was. It certainly does belong with those years but there was a lot of core 2000's stuff that popped up that year that gave way to 2004. 2000-2002 weren't like the 90's aside from 1998 and 1999 (even 1998 and 1999 felt different while living them) but they certainly weren't at all like the rest of the 2000's.

I was still a college undergrad in early 07, coming off a somewhat busy semester (I checked my grades and was relieved to get a "C" in this one class that I struggled in) and about to start another semester of challenging courses. Some memorable times for me. :)


some non canon memorable times ;p
2007 has been Dragon Ball GT'd  lol

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Aside from The Sopranos' final season, I don't really think early 2007 was mid-2000s at all.  Pretty much everybody knew about YouTube by this point, Facebook was solidly established despite still competing against MySpace, the sixth generation of gaming was pretty much obsolete, the Wii was a craze, even though some games were still coming out for PS2, core 2000s thug rap wasn't significant anymore, Akon and T-Pain were all over the top 40, Timbaland and The-Dream had overtaken Lil' Jon as the hottest urban producers of the day, and Lindsay Lohan had officially fallen from grace.  2007 in general was the definitive year of the late 2000s.

Filp phones weren't obsolete until the early 2010s.  Even with multimedia Blackberry phones on the market, it really wasn't until the iPhone blew up that the mobile industry transformed dramatically.

'07 was very core 2000's yet. Numbers wise it was a late year. Facebook may have been established, but MySpace was still the profile to have. Wii to me was almost a fad, the craze didn't last that long before the novelty wore off. Gamers still played their PS2 and original Xbox, though the big deal was to have the PS3 and 360, they were just expensive yet. Flip phones and push to talk were still favored, though by the time slider phones were available for pay as you go, everyone jumped to them next (in '08) until the early 10's when it all went to android and iPhone.

'07 was very core 2000's yet. Numbers wise it was a late year. Facebook may have been established, but MySpace was still the profile to have. Wii to me was almost a fad, the craze didn't last that long before the novelty wore off. Gamers still played their PS2 and original Xbox, though the big deal was to have the PS3 and 360, they were just expensive yet. Flip phones and push to talk were still favored, though by the time slider phones were available for pay as you go, everyone jumped to them next (in '08) until the early 10's when it all went to android and iPhone.


Facebook was really more of an early '10s thing, but its ascent and competition against MySpace was identifiably late 2000s.

The Wii was easily the dominant video game console from its November 2006 inception until about 2009, when the PS3 and XBOX 360 finally took off and the system's novelty was gone.  The original XBOX was discontinued in 2007.  PS2 was still the way to go if you still played Dance Dance Revolution (even though 2007 was when the series first began to really decline in quality) or if you just wanted the new Madden game without having to pay an extra $400, but far and large, 2007 was all about seventh generation video games.  BioShock, Halo 3, Call of Duty 4, Portal, Super Mario Galaxy, Rock Band, Guitar Hero III, Assassin's Creed, Team Fortress 2, MotorStorm, and Uncharted: Drake's Fortress all came out that same year, not to mention the Wii's success only continued to grow during that time.

I got my first phone in 2007, and it was a flip phone, but I remember that by that time, it was seen as the old, cheap device.  Heck, the iPhone was already out by the second half of the year, but Blackberrys were definitely a standard presence by 2007.  At the very least, the balance was quite different compared to the actual mid-2000s.

Although I do see 2007 as still being a classic 2000s year, it's otherwise the definitive late 2000s year, in my opinion, with more emphasis on the second half.  Besides just gaming and phone technology, the year was dominated by the continued peak of Timbaland (with the last handful of hits from Loose and FutureSex/LoveSounds, simultaneously giving way to Shock Value), the premieres of shows like The Big Bang Theory, Phineas and Furb, and Mad Men; the economy making the first signs of real ailment, the 2008 Election Season entering full swing (though Hillary Clinton was still more popular than Barack Obama), Gordon Brown becoming the new Prime Minister of the UK, and web video culture being completely mainstream - at the time, other websites besides YouTube were still popular, and many people posted their videos on their own sites as opposed to linking to YouTube; CollegeHumor and GameTrailers are good examples of this; the latter was even AVGN's main site during the late 2000s and beginning of the 2010s, despite the first season debuting on YouTube well ahead of the curve.

I remember obsessing over 7th generation, well just the Wii in particular in early 2007. I finally got the Wii in February for my birthday.

Wii Sports and Twilight Princess were amazing, as was Mario Strikers which came a bit later. I was so happy to have friends over to play video games again. I feel like in the mid-2000s all the GTA and Need for Speed clones were really bringing console gaming down for me, but 2006-2008 lifted console gaming up again with new innovative games. Late 2007 was also great with Metroid Prime and Halo.

DS was also pumping out gold with games like Advanced Wars, Phoenix Wright, Elite Beat Agents. A lot of others, but I'm not too fluent on release dates. Pokémon Diamond/Pearl were rather terrible though.

Put me in the got-my-first-phone-in-2007 club as well (or it might've been late 2006, can't remember). It was some hand-me-down Motorola phone from my dad. It was terrible. I always felt like it was a nagging device that my parents could call me on incessantly if I was out after 8PM. I would let it die and not charge it for weeks. I didn't care for phones until late 2010 when I got my first smartphone and had already graduated high school.

Didn't have MySpace, Facebook, Hi5, Orkut, Bebo or any of that stuff. A lot of my friends had MySpace, but I don't think it ever made it THAT huge in Canada. Maybe 40-50% penetration on the teen market. MSN was still king until 2008 when Facebook and Twitter took over. I think the biggest teen trends in Canada around then were YouTube and the public launch of Gmail. Oh yeah, and Anime and Japanophillia in general were big that year. I remember watching Death Note and some Bleach.

I remember obsessing over 7th generation, well just the Wii in particular in early 2007. I finally got the Wii in February for my birthday.

Wii Sports and Twilight Princess were amazing, as was Mario Strikers which came a bit later. I was so happy to have friends over to play video games again. I feel like in the mid-2000s all the GTA and Need for Speed clones were really bringing console gaming down for me, but 2006-2008 lifted console gaming up again with new innovative games. Late 2007 was also great with Metroid Prime and Halo.

DS was also pumping out gold with games like Advanced Wars, Phoenix Wright, Elite Beat Agents. A lot of others, but I'm not too fluent on release dates. Pokémon Diamond/Pearl were rather terrible though.


2007 was the absolute peak year for me playing on my Nintendo DS a lot with games like New Super Mario Bros, Mario Kart DS, and Star Fox Command (including Nintendo Wi-fi Connection online). I still played with my XBOX and Gamecube sometimes despite both being past its prime by then.

2007 was the absolute peak year for me playing on my Nintendo DS a lot with games like New Super Mario Bros, Mario Kart DS, and Star Fox Command (including Nintendo Wi-fi Connection online). I still played with my XBOX and Gamecube sometimes despite both being past its prime by then.


Those games came out 2005/2006 I believe. :P Mario Kart DS was amazing, my thumb was about to fall off with all the snaking  ;D I didn't like NSMB very much though, felt it pretty mediocre as far as 2D platformers go. The Wii version was much more polished.

DS peak for me was 2010 though, with the release of Pokemon Black/White and Devil Survivor and the billion other RPGs it was pumping out. Honestly, I don't see the point in the 3DS (even though I love it); if the DS kept going to the present day I would not be complaining!

Those games came out 2005/2006 I believe. :P Mario Kart DS was amazing, my thumb was about to fall off with all the snaking  ;D I didn't like NSMB very much though, felt it pretty mediocre as far as 2D platformers go. The Wii version was much more polished.

DS peak for me was 2010 though, with the release of Pokemon Black/White and Devil Survivor and the billion other RPGs it was pumping out. Honestly, I don't see the point in the 3DS (even though I love it); if the DS kept going to the present day I would not be complaining!


I see a point in the 3DS. But what I don't see is the point for the NEW 3DS. It's only exclusive is Xenoblade Chronicles 3D which isn't really an exclusive due to the game already being on the Wii. I love the 3DS, but the New 3DS is pointless to me.

I'm just salty that I spent $200 for a slightly "upgraded" handheld that doesn't have much difference from the original 3DS that I already owned.

Facebook was really more of an early '10s thing, but its ascent and competition against MySpace was identifiably late 2000s.

The Wii was easily the dominant video game console from its November 2006 until about 2009, when the PS3 and XBOX 360 finally took off and the system's novelty was gone.  The original XBOX was discontinued in 2007.  PS2 was still the way to go if you still played Dance Dance Revolution (even though 2007 was when the series first began to really decline in quality) or if you just wanted the new Madden game without having to pay an extra $400, but far and large, 2007 was all about seventh generation video games.  BioShock, Halo 3, Call of Duty 4, Portal, Super Mario Galaxy, Rock Band, Guitar Hero III, Assassin's Creed, Team Fortress 2, MotorStorm, and Uncharted: Drake's Fortress all came out that same year, not to mention the Wii's success only continued to grow during that time.

I got my first phone in 2007, and it was a flip phone, but I remember that by that time, it was seen as the old, cheap device.  Heck, the iPhone was already out by the second half of the year, but Blackberrys were definitely a standard presence by 2007.  At the very least, the balance was quite different compared to the actual mid-2000s.

Although I do see 2007 as still being a classic 2000s year, it's otherwise the definitive late 2000s year, in my opinion, with more emphasis on the second half.  Besides just gaming and phone technology, the year was dominated by the continued peak of Timbaland (with the last handful of hits from Loose and FutureSex/LoveSounds, simultaneously giving way to Shock Value), the premieres of shows like The Big Bang Theory, Phineas and Furb, and Mad Men; the economy making the first signs of real ailment, the 2008 Election Season entering full swing (though Hillary Clinton was still more popular than Barack Obama), Gordon Brown becoming the new Prime Minister of the UK, and web video culture being completely mainstream - at the time, other websites besides YouTube were still popular, and many people posted their videos on their own sites as opposed to linking to YouTube; CollegeHumor and GameTrailers are good examples of this; the latter was even AVGN's main site during the late 2000s and beginning of the 2010s, despite the first season debuting on YouTube well ahead of the curve.


I remember Facebook was pretty big by 2007. I mean, and I even live under a rock!  :D  :D  :D

January- late april 2007 is still classic 2000s

For me, 2007 was significant but it wasn't a great year until the end.  It was my last year of college and my last year living with my parents.  I did like the culture of that era though.


Wow, I can relate. It was my last year of college as well (graduated in December 2007). I was so eager to graduate but little did I know that a global recession would make 2008 a very challenging year. I had a hard time finding a job and once I did I got laid off. For me, 2008 and part of 2009 sucked.

Someone else said that 2003-2007 can be thought of as starting with the Iraq war and ending with Obamamania. That sounds pretty accurate. Personally, I liked 2005-2007 more than 2003-2004.

All I remember about early 2007 is 7th Gen gaming and Wii being sold out in stores, and people lining up in the morning for it.

There was also this popular dude on  YouTube who kept talking how much of a badass gangsta he was because he bought a PS3.

I finally bought the Wii in February 2007 for my birthday.

Sounds pretty late 2000s to me. Still core 2000s, but late 2000s.

All I remember about early 2007 is 7th Gen gaming and Wii being sold out in stores, and people lining up in the morning for it.

There was also this popular dude on  YouTube who kept talking how much of a badass gangsta he was because he bought a PS3.

I finally bought the Wii in February 2007 for my birthday.

Sounds pretty late 2000s to me. Still core 2000s, but late 2000s.


Yeah it's weird. 2007 is the only late 2000's year that's part of the core 2000's, and the only core 2000's year part of the late 2000's.

2008 was still mostly a late 2000's year but it's not core 2000's anymore.

Yeah it's weird. 2007 is the only late 2000's year that's part of the core 2000's, and the only core 2000's year part of the late 2000's.

2008 was still mostly a late 2000's year but it's not core 2000's anymore.


2008 still felt pretty core 2000s. Wasn't 2008 when George Bush got that shoe thrown at him? Totally 2000s.

The last few months when Obama mania settled in though is definitely the death kneel. The death of the 2000s was beautiful to witness lol.

2007 was a classic 00's year. 2007 is the the first year when you go back from today that truly feels old school.

Does anyone feel that early 2007 still had a tint of classic 2000s in it?



Look at the top songs of the month for Febuary 2007

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I remember the vibe of early 2007 different than the later half of 2007.
Literally early 2007 is the cutoff date for the mid 2000s vibe (even tho it had ended in Sept of 2006)


Mathematical measurements =/= cultural measurements. While September 2006, was mathematically late 2000s (and perhaps introduced a couple of late 2000s trends), it was still culturally mid 2000s. In fact, 2006 as a whole is indisputably mid 00s. 2007 is tricky. I felt the earlier part of the year was closer to 2005-2006, while the latter part was a bit mixed. I mean in 2007, emo music and crunk rap were still going strong, but you also had some autotuned rap coming in. Also Myspace was still the king of social media. Sure Facebook was growing, but it wouldn't be until 2008, where it would surpass Myspace. Granted, I wasn't too into pop culture by that point (which is kind of odd, considering I was only 13/14 in 2007). But the overall vibe felt like the core 00s. 2008 felt like a bigger change, in my opinion.

2008 still felt pretty core 2000s. Wasn't 2008 when George Bush got that shoe thrown at him? Totally 2000s.

The last few months when Obama mania settled in though is definitely the death kneel. The death of the 2000s was beautiful to witness lol.


LMAO I remember that for what I have in bold! Anyways, Spring & Summer 2008 was the last gasp of true 2000's culture in general, but 2008 as a full year was definitely not a core 2000's year, at least here in in the U.S. it was not. The Wii being popular, iCarly, and Obama's Yes We Can campaign are quintessential late 2000's things, but it's not core 2000's cultural things. Even by fall 2008 late 2000's culture started transitioning over to early 2010's culture but at the same time it was still leaning towards late 2000's.

Mathematical measurements =/= cultural measurements. While September 2006, was mathematically late 2000s (and perhaps introduced a couple of late 2000s trends), it was still culturally mid 2000s. In fact, 2006 as a whole is indisputably mid 00s. 2007 is tricky. I felt the earlier part of the year was closer to 2005-2006, while the latter part was a bit mixed. I mean in 2007, emo music and crunk rap were still going strong, but you also had some autotuned rap coming in. Also Myspace was still the king of social media. Sure Facebook was growing, but it wouldn't be until 2008, where it would surpass Myspace. Granted, I wasn't too into pop culture by that point (which is kind of odd, considering I was only 13/14 in 2007). But the overall vibe felt like the core 00s. 2008 felt like a bigger change, in my opinion.


I agree with mathematical measurements being completely irrelevant to cultural measurements, but I disagree with your opinion on late 2000's culture. I consider the main late 2000's cultural period to be from Fall 2006-Summer 2008. Did you see the 2006 thread from a month ago? 2006 as a full year, was the transition from mid 2000's to late 2000's culture without a question. Most of 2008 was still late 2000's. Fall 2008-Summer 2009 was the transition from late 2000's to early 2010's culture.

LMAO I remember that for what I have in bold! Anyways, Spring & Summer 2008 was the last gasp of true 2000's culture in general, but 2008 as a full year was definitely not a core 2000's year, at least here in in the U.S. it was not. The Wii being popular, iCarly, and Obama's Yes We Can campaign are quintessential late 2000's things, but it's not core 2000's cultural things. Even by fall 2008 late 2000's culture started transitioning over to early 2010's culture but at the same time it was still leaning towards late 2000's.


For me it still feels 2000s for political reasons mostly. Just hearing George Bush and me wanting to puke  8-P Fashion was still pretty 2000s too, and emo was still pretty popular. I was still using MSN.

Also the Beijing Olympics feel very core 2000s to me. The whole rise of China theme is recurring in the 2000s.

Games like Spore, Smash Bros Brawl, Mario Kart Wii and movies like WALL-E cement it in the core 2000s for me.

Speaking of Bush, has anyone noticed that the "DUDE REPUBLICANS ARE STUPID LMAO" humor of the 00s has shifted to more anti-liberal, anti-"SJW" humor? I personally don't mind it, though some might.

I agree with mathematical measurements being completely irrelevant to cultural measurements, but I disagree with your opinion on late 2000's culture. I consider the main late 2000's cultural period to be from Fall 2006-Summer 2008. Did you see the 2006 thread from a month ago? 2006 as a full year, was the transition from mid 2000's to late 2000's culture without a question. Most of 2008 was still late 2000's. Fall 2008-Summer 2009 was the transition from late 2000's to early 2010's culture.


Uh, no. There was still quite a bit of mid 2000s culture in 2007 (primarily the 1st half). Perhaps, what you and I experienced differ.

And what do you mean 2008 was "mostly" late 2000s? It was completely late 2000s! Myspace was still relevant to teenagers, the "scene" look was at it's peak (though emo was starting to decline), most people used regular mobile phones. The iPhone existed, but it was more of a luxury. Sure you can argue Lady Gaga becoming big, but her peak was roughly from late 2008-2010, meaning she was more of a late 2000s thing. She started to decline in 2011. I don't buy this whole "Fall 2008-Summer 2009 was a transition from late 2000's to early 2010's culture". Sure there may have been some trends introduced that would become bigger in the early 2010s, but that's not the same as a transition.

Speaking of Bush, has anyone noticed that the "DUDE REPUBLICANS ARE STUPID LMAO" humor of the 00s has shifted to more anti-liberal, anti-"SJW" humor? I personally don't mind it, though some might.


Oh man, American politics is so weird. You have Donald Trump, Ted Cruz and Ben Carson but the Democrats are supposed to be the weird ones?  :o I thought Bush would easily lose 2004 so I can't say I'm too current on what Americans think lol.

Uh, no. There was still quite a bit of mid 2000s culture in 2007 (primarily the 1st half). Perhaps, what you and I experienced differ.

And what do you mean 2008 was "mostly" late 2000s? It was completely late 2000s! Myspace was still relevant to teenagers, the "scene" look was at it's peak (though emo was starting to decline), most people used regular mobile phones. The iPhone existed, but it was more of a luxury. Sure you can argue Lady Gaga becoming big, but her peak was roughly from late 2008-2010, meaning she was more of a late 2000s thing. She started to decline in 2011. I don't buy this whole "Fall 2008-Summer 2009 was a transition from late 2000's to early 2010's culture". Sure there may have been some trends introduced that would become bigger in the early 2010s, but that's not the same as a transition.


Uh, yeah, Fall 2008-Summer 2009 was definitely the transition from late 2000's to early 2010's culture. The recession and stock market crash. High definition television becoming the norm while analog TV was forced to be shutdown. Barack Obama getting inaugurated and coming president. Obama's ENTIRE presidency is a 2010's thing, NOT late 2000's just because he came in office in 2009. Electropop songs like Boom Boom Pow! debuting. Sci-Fi channel renaming itself as Syfy. Circuit City and KB Toys closed down. Facebook becoming the most popular social media site while Myspace declined. Early 2010's culture was in full effect by Fall 2009 with the premieres of Glee, Modern Family, and Jersey Shore. More electropop songs and albums debuting like Lady Gaga The Fame Monster or songs like Jason Derulo Whatcha Say getting popular.

Fall 2009-Summer 2012 was the main early 2010's cultural period. With Fall 2009-Summer 2011 leaning towards late 2000's influences, and Fall 2011-Summer 2012 leaning towards mid 2010's influences.

I don't understand why a lot of people think there was a cultural shift in 2011 or early 2012, there wasn't. The 2nd half of 2009 felt no different than 2010 & 2011 from my eyes.

Uh, no. There was still quite a bit of mid 2000s culture in 2007 (primarily the 1st half). Perhaps, what you and I experienced differ.


This thread will teach you the transition into late 2000's culture.

http://www.inthe00s.com/index.php?topic=52315.0

The year 2007 is totally old school to me. All the social media we have now was either non-existent or very primitive in 2007. YouTube was still classic and had the original classic layout and just started getting popular. Facebook only started to get popular. No mobile social media apps or smartphones or anything like that. MySpace was still big. The music was older and different. Everything about it screamed a classic year to me. It totally felt different from the later half of 2008. Desktop computers were still popular and netbooks were popular in 2007 and got released in 2007 too. Tablets were non existent. Windows XP was really popular and the most popular and used OS in 2007. 2007 really feels like a different universe compared to today.

The year 2007 is totally old school to me. All the social media we have now was either non-existent or very primitive in 2007. YouTube was still classic and had the original classic layout and just started getting popular. Facebook only started to get popular. No mobile social media apps or smartphones or anything like that. MySpace was still big. The music was older and different. Everything about it screamed a classic year to me. It totally felt different from the later half of 2008. Desktop computers were still popular and netbooks were popular in 2007 and got released in 2007 too. Tablets were non existent. Windows XP was really popular and the most popular and used OS in 2007. 2007 really feels like a different universe compared to today.


I agree 95%

I wouldn't say old school, but it's definitely very dated that's for sure. Social media was already big by 2007 but no where near as big or as of a necessity as today. I still consider the Nintendo DS as the earliest tablet while online gaming with early 7th generation was already big by then, but yeah 2007 is a late 2000's year but it's the only late 2000's year that still felt extreme 2000's like. I think any time from Fall 2008-present feels like yesterday to me.

Although not dramatically, cars looked different too.

Honda Civic 2007

http://media.caranddriver.com/images/media/52328/2007-honda-civic-gx-photo-54399-s-986x603.jpg

Honda Civic 2016

http://blog.caranddriver.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/2016-Honda-Civic-101-876x535.jpg

The year 2007 is totally old school to me. All the social media we have now was either non-existent or very primitive in 2007. YouTube was still classic and had the original classic layout and just started getting popular. Facebook only started to get popular. No mobile social media apps or smartphones or anything like that. MySpace was still big. The music was older and different. Everything about it screamed a classic year to me. It totally felt different from the later half of 2008. Desktop computers were still popular and netbooks were popular in 2007 and got released in 2007 too. Tablets were non existent. Windows XP was really popular and the most popular and used OS in 2007. 2007 really feels like a different universe compared to today.


Well, they did have smartphones back in 2007 (e.g. iPhone), although they weren't popular at the time. Besides that, 2007 seems dated. It's like whenever I see anything from that year, it came from another era.

mqg has said this before, but another difference between early 2007 and late 2007 is that late 2007 was when Cartoon Network began their "Fall" era, which mqg and several others feel was when the network "officially" died.

Although not dramatically, cars looked different too.

Honda Civic 2007

http://media.caranddriver.com/images/media/52328/2007-honda-civic-gx-photo-54399-s-986x603.jpg

Honda Civic 2016

http://blog.caranddriver.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/2016-Honda-Civic-101-876x535.jpg


I'm so glad you brought up this conversation. My obsession with cars when I was much younger though :o

This reminds me, anyone notice the huge attitude change between millennial era cars and the transition that happened to cars throughout the mid to late 2000's?

mqg has said this before, but another difference between early 2007 and late 2007 is that late 2007 was when Cartoon Network began their "Fall" era, which mqg and several others feel was when the network "officially" died.


Good point, but let's just talk about the mainstream culture right now  ;D

Well, they did have smartphones back in 2007 (e.g. iPhone), although they weren't popular at the time. Besides that, 2007 seems dated. It's like whenever I see anything from that year, it came from another era.

No because the IPhone was released in 2007. That doesn't count as barely anyone had smartphones until 2010 and the early half had no smartphones either. When I say "no smartphones" or "tablets didn't exist", I'm not talking in the literal sense. I mean pretty much nobody knew they were around and it wasn't popular. The original IPhone is so different and weak compared to today's smartphones I wouldn't even say it counts as it just wasn't popular. I'm never literal when I say this because you can say the internet wasn't around until the mid-late 90s even though it was technically invented in the 60s. I'm talking about popularity.

Music and movies still felt kinda 2000's during 2007 but technology was clearly getting more advanced. Thing is, this whole time I've had memories of 2007 that I always thought happened in 2005 or 2006. When I learned that they happened in 2007, it changed my opinion on the year a bit.

I never liked Avril Lavigne that much, but the release of "Girlfriend" in early 2007 was when she crossed over from "early-mid 00s skater punk" to "late 00s/2010s pop sellout" in the eyes of many fans. ;D

Uh, yeah, Fall 2008-Summer 2009 was definitely the transition from late 2000's to early 2010's culture. The recession and stock market crash. High definition television becoming the norm while analog TV was forced to be shutdown. Barack Obama getting inaugurated and coming president. Obama's ENTIRE presidency is a 2010's thing, NOT late 2000's just because he came in office in 2009. Electropop songs like Boom Boom Pow! debuting. Sci-Fi channel renaming itself as Syfy. Early 2010's culture was in full effect by Fall 2009 with the premieres of Glee, Modern Family, and Jersey Shore. More electropop songs and albums debuting like Lady Gaga The Fame Monster or songs like Jason Derulo Whatcha Say getting popular.

Fall 2009-Summer 2012 was the main early 2010's cultural period. With Fall 2009-Summer 2011 leaning towards late 2000's influences, and Fall 2011-Summer 2012 leaning towards mid 2010's influences.

I don't understand why a lot of people think there was a cultural shift in 2011 or early 2012, there wasn't. The 2nd half of 2009 felt no different than 2010 & 2011 from my eyes.


Yeah late 2008-09 feels transitional, that's when Facebook/Twitter got popular, and of course Obamamania, and the rise of nerd/geek culture. By late 2009 with the release of iPhone 3GS the 2010s were in full swing imo. I think musicguy might be confusing 2009-2011, the early, non-core 2010s for being transitional late 2000s.

The iPhone existed in 2008 but I remember most people didn't care for it, it wouldn't become a pop culture phenomenon until later.

I never liked Avril Lavigne that much, but the release of "Girlfriend" in early 2007 was when she crossed over from "early-mid 00s skater punk" to "late 00s/2010s pop sellout" in the eyes of many fans. ;D


Let Go is the only album of her's that I can truly tolerate.

2002 - Xtreme Sk8rz!

2004 - Bad Gurrl in all Blaq!!

2007 to present - Preppy Blonde Airhead

I never liked Avril Lavigne that much, but the release of "Girlfriend" in early 2007 was when she crossed over from "early-mid 00s skater punk" to "late 00s/2010s pop sellout" in the eyes of many fans. ;D


Yeah, she was dead to me then  :\'(

I like most of her 2010s stuff though, like What the Hell and Here's to never growing up. Goodbye Lullaby was just atrocious though. She's been out of the spotlight recently because of her Lyme disease :(

Yeah late 2008-09 feels transitional, that's when Facebook/Twitter got popular, and of course Obamamania, and the rise of nerd/geek culture. By late 2009 with the release of iPhone 3GS the 2010s were in full swing imo. I think musicguy might be confusing 2009-2011, the early, non-core 2010s for being transitional late 2000s.

The iPhone existed in 2008 but I remember most people didn't care for it, it wouldn't become a pop culture phenomenon until later.


No, I'm just saying that things weren't 100% early 2010s in late 2009. I'm not denying that certain early 2010s trends were coming into play from late 2008-summer 2009. I just don't feel like it was a full-on transition. Myspace was still used by high schoolers, scene fashion was still in, barely anyone knew who Justin Bieber, Bruno Mars, or even Ke$ha were. Dubstep wasn't that huge then either. I mean, you could make the argument that late 2009 was mostly early 2010s, when it came to technology. Personally I don't care too much for that era. I'm just going by what I experienced.

However there's no way anyone can convince me 2006 was a full on transition between the mid and late 2000s. Sorry. That year was mid 2000s, through and through. Sure some late 2000s trends were introduced towards the end, but they weren't mainstream yet.

Core 2000s for me is 2004 - 2007 as I stated before. 2004 being the core 2000s year with early 2000s left overs. 2005-2006 being the peak core 2000s. And 2007 being the core 2000s year that had some similarities with the late 2000s such as technology, but for the most part 2007 felt like a core 2000s year to me. 2008-2009 is mostly late 2000s.

No, I'm just saying that things weren't 100% early 2010s in late 2009. I'm not denying that certain early 2010s trends were coming into play from late 2008-summer 2009. I just don't feel like it was a full-on transition. Myspace was still used by high schoolers, scene fashion was still in, barely anyone knew who Justin Bieber, Bruno Mars, or even Ke$ha were. Dubstep wasn't that huge then either. I mean, you could make the argument that late 2009 was mostly early 2010s, when it came to technology. Personally I don't care too much for that era. I'm just going by what I experienced.

However there's no way anyone can convince me 2006 was a full on transition between the mid and late 2000s. Sorry. That year was mid 2000s, through and through. Sure some late 2000s trends were introduced towards the end, but they weren't mainstream yet.


I remember pretty much everyone was on Facebook by the beginning of 2009.

1999-2008 the question was "what's your (AOL/MSN) e-mail ?"

2008-2010 was "are you on Facebook?"

After 2010 people didn't even ask, it was just assumed you had Facebook.

As for Bieber/Kesha, all a build up of already established culture. It's like saying 2004 isn't mid 2000s because From Under the Cork Tree hadn't released. Bieber was popular here in late 2009 though, but he is going to be more popular in his home country of course lol.

Dubstep was already there when I had my senior prom in 2010, I'll have to disagree with you on that.

2008-09 school year in fashion felt transitional too. You had the stupid popped collar trend on one side, polo shirts, slim jeans but slightly bell bottom with bootcuts, and the spiked hair "fresh boy" look (2000s to me), and the leather jacket, Hollister t-shirt, skinny jeans and giant basketball shoes or converse, "metrosexual"  on the other side (2010s to me)

No, I'm just saying that things weren't 100% early 2010s in late 2009. I'm not denying that certain early 2010s trends were coming into play from late 2008-summer 2009. I just don't feel like it was a full-on transition. Myspace was still used by high schoolers, scene fashion was still in, barely anyone knew who Justin Bieber, Bruno Mars, or even Ke$ha were. Dubstep wasn't that huge then either. I mean, you could make the argument that late 2009 was mostly early 2010s, when it came to technology. Personally I don't care too much for that era. I'm just going by what I experienced.

However there's no way anyone can convince me 2006 was a full on transition between the mid and late 2000s. Sorry. That year was mid 2000s, through and through. Sure some late 2000s trends were introduced towards the end, but they weren't mainstream yet.


Well, to me, the quintessential early 2010's period was Fall 2010-Summer 2011. So I can understand why you believe Fall 2009-Summer 2010 wasn't 100% early 2010's yet, but to me it was definitely the first full school year or season early 2010's culture was more dominant than late 2000's culture. There's no doubt that 2010 and 2011 still had a lot of late 2000's influences. Fall 2011-Summer 2012 is still early 2010's culture but it was the start of mid 2010's influences.

Yeah, she was dead to me then  :\'(

I like most of her 2010s stuff though, like What the Hell and Here's to never growing up. Goodbye Lullaby was just atrocious though. She's been out of the spotlight recently because of her Lyme disease :(

What about Hello Kitty?  ;D

After 2010 people didn't even ask, it was just assumed you had Facebook.

As for Bieber/Kesha, all a build up of already established culture. It's like saying 2004 isn't mid 2000s because From Under the Cork Tree hadn't released. Bieber was popular here in late 2009 though, but he is going to be more popular in his home country of course lol.

Dubstep was already there when I had my senior prom in 2010, I'll have to disagree with you on that.

I don't even remember people talking about Myspace after my 8th grade year (2009-10) either. In fact, my 7th grade year (2008-09) was the last time I noticed the majority of people having Myspace. Throughout 8th grade is when my classmates transitioned over to Facebook, but even from what I've heard a lot of high school students already transitioned over to Facebook earlier than middle school students. I agree that Dubstep was already big by the 2009-10 school year. I heard it a lot at our middle school dance throughout that period.


2008-09 school year in fashion felt transitional too. You had the stupid popped collar trend on one side, polo shirts, slim jeans but slightly bell bottom, and the spiked hair "fresh boy" look (2000s to me), and the leather jacket, Hollister t-shirt, skinny jeans and giant basketball shoes, "metrosexual"  on the other (2010s to me)


Bingo! This was huge. I looked at my 6th grade year book and if you compare it to my 8th grade year book it feels like a completely different world. Here in Georgia I remember by 8th grade when people were obsessed with Ralph Lauren Polo shirts, Aeropostale, American Eagle, Levi's, Rocawear, etc. and other name brand clothes. Then us African American males would be shining with those 360 spinning waves. A lot of people didn't care about that back in my 6th grade year from what I remember.

Well, to me, the quintessential early 2010's period was Fall 2010-Summer 2011. So I can understand why you believe Fall 2009-Summer 2010 wasn't 100% early 2010's yet, but to me it was definitely the first full school year or season early 2010's culture was more dominant than late 2000's culture. There's no doubt that 2010 and 2011 still had a lot of late 2000's influences. Fall 2011-Summer 2012 is still early 2010's culture but it was the start of mid 2010's influences.


Fair enough. Let's just agree to disagree, since a lot of this is based on our own personal experiences.

Core 2000s for me is 2004 - 2007 as I stated before. 2004 being the core 2000s year with early 2000s left overs. 2005-2006 being the peak core 2000s. And 2007 being the core 2000s year that had some similarities with the late 2000s such as technology, but for the most part 2007 felt like a core 2000s year to me. 2008-2009 is mostly late 2000s.


2007-2008 were late 2000's years, but 2009 was definitely half late 2000's and half early 2010's.

I remember pretty much everyone was on Facebook by the beginning of 2009.

1999-2008 the question was "what's your (AOL/MSN) e-mail ?"

2008-2010 was "are you on Facebook?"

After 2010 people didn't even ask, it was just assumed you had Facebook.

As for Bieber/Kesha, all a build up of already established culture. It's like saying 2004 isn't mid 2000s because From Under the Cork Tree hadn't released. Bieber was popular here in late 2009 though, but he is going to be more popular in his home country of course lol.

Dubstep was already there when I had my senior prom in 2010, I'll have to disagree with you on that.

2008-09 school year in fashion felt transitional too. You had the stupid popped collar trend on one side, polo shirts, slim jeans but slightly bell bottom with bootcuts, and the spiked hair "fresh boy" look (2000s to me), and the leather jacket, Hollister t-shirt, skinny jeans and giant basketball shoes or converse, "metrosexual"  on the other side (2010s to me)


I feel this sort of thing varies from person to person. Overall, I don't think our opinions differ drastically. Just where specific transitions occurred and completed. Like I said, a lot of this is based on personal experience.

What about Hello Kitty?  ;D


Oh hell naw  8-P I don't consider that to be a song by her meant for her NA fans. That song is meant strictly for Japanese ears only  ;D

I feel this sort of thing varies from person to person. Overall, I don't think our opinions differ drastically. Just where specific transitions occurred and completed. Like I said, a lot of this is based on personal experience.


Fair enough.  :D

2007-2008 were late 2000's years, but 2009 was definitely half late 2000's and half early 2010's.


True on that.

2007 was to the mid '00s what 2003 was to the early '00s.  Was definitely a year of transition.

2007 was to the mid '00s what 2003 was to the early '00s.  Was definitely a year of transition.


Really? 2007 wasn't that much of a transition year, that felt unmistakably late 2000's. 2003 however, was the transition into core 2000's culture, but it's still mostly early 2000's. I'd even consider 2006 and 2008 more transitional than 2007. But 2009 was the most transitional of all.

Really? 2007 wasn't that much of a transition year, that felt unmistakably late 2000's. 2003 however, was the transition into core 2000's culture, but it's still mostly early 2000's. I'd even consider 2006 and 2008 more transitional than 2007. But 2009 was the most transitional of all.

2007 was the peak of late 2000s culture!

2007 was a good year for music compared to now.

2007 was a good year for music compared to now.


The peak of Soulja Boy, Nickelback, sell-out Nelly Furtado, Akon, and Avril Lavigne? I don't think so Mister. While it was a pretty good yet unspectacular year for music (it was definitely a hell of a lot better than 2006), I find the 2010's to still be superior. Especially the mid 2010's.

The peak of Soulja Boy, Nickelback, sell-out Nelly Furtado, Akon, and Avril Lavigne? I don't think so Mister. While it was a pretty good yet unspectacular year for music (it was definitely a hell of a lot better than 2006), I find the 2010's to still be superior. Especially the mid 2010's.


I might disagree here, because the mid 2010s is nothing more than twerking, nonsense rapping, and weird electronic noises.

The peak of Soulja Boy, Nickelback, sell-out Nelly Furtado, Akon, and Avril Lavigne? I don't think so Mister. While it was a pretty good yet unspectacular year for music (it was definitely a hell of a lot better than 2006), I find the 2010's to still be superior. Especially the mid 2010's.


I loved 2007 music at the time it was going on, but I preferred 2008-2011 music a lot better than that year. Not sure about the mid 2010's though, I think it's debatable, but I'll say this, Uptown Funk is a lot higher quality than Crank That by a landslide. So you might have a point there.

I might disagree here, because the mid 2010s is nothing more than twerking, nonsense rapping, and weird electronic noises.


2007 had all of those.

I might disagree here, because the mid 2010s is nothing more than twerking, nonsense rapping, and weird electronic noises.


I agree.

I agree.


The 2010's: nothing but trouble!

2007 had all of those.


They didn't really have twerking back in 2007. Nobody even knew what it meant before 2013. Also for the rapping, check out motherf*cking Soulja Boy.

They didn't really have twerking back in 2007. Nobody even knew what it meant before 2013. Also for the rapping, check out motherf*cking Soulja Boy.


Yeah.... I think 2010s win this one. :P

They had twerking back in 2007. White people didn't discover it until 2013 as you said. I think the first twerking I saw in 2012 with Keedy Black's "Hammer" (you don't want to look that up, NSFW).

Yeah.... I think 2010s win this one. :P

They had twerking back in 2007. White people didn't discover it until 2013 as you said. I think the first twerking I saw in 2012 with Keedy Black's "Hammer" (you don't want to look that up, NSFW).


The term "twerking" wasn't even around until late 2012. It's just booty shaking.

The term "twerking" wasn't even around until late 2012. It's just booty shaking.


Naw, it was around in the 90s.

The third Urban Dictionary definition is from 2003 http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Twerk

Naw, it was around in the 90s.

The third Urban Dictionary definition is from 2003 http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Twerk


But it wasn't as popular compared to the 2010s.

But it wasn't as popular compared to the 2010s.


That's true.

2007 was ringtone rap era.

When I think of 2007, I think of awful garbage like this:

http://ilarge.lisimg.com/image/137155/748full-the-academy-is....jpg

http://40.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lo3pi2nrE11qimajuo1_500.jpg

Nice sweaters. Do they come in mens?

Naw, it was around in the 90s.

The third Urban Dictionary definition is from 2003 http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Twerk


So it was around for 20 years? :o

When I think of 2007, I think of awful garbage like this:

http://ilarge.lisimg.com/image/137155/748full-the-academy-is....jpg

http://40.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lo3pi2nrE11qimajuo1_500.jpg

Nice sweaters. Do they come in mens?


I really liked All Time Low, personally.  That type of music really takes me back to the latter part of my college years.

This is probably the most definitive image of them and really sums up late '00s college culture.

http://40.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8eopuL36K1rdqsfwo1_500.png

This is probably the most definitive image of them and really sums up late '00s college culture.
http://40.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8eopuL36K1rdqsfwo1_500.png


ಠ_ಠ... uhh didn't think not wearing clothing besides underwear was considered "cool" and "hip". I probably wasn't paying much attention to late '00s college culture to realize that kind of fashion.

So it was around for 20 years? :o


No, I think the term has been around since the early 2000s, but I don't think anybody gave a f*ck back then.

I really liked All Time Low, personally.  That type of music really takes me back to the latter part of my college years.

This is probably the most definitive image of them and really sums up late '00s college culture.

http://40.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8eopuL36K1rdqsfwo1_500.png


8-P 8-P 8-P 8-P

Awful stuff!!!


No, I think the term has been around since the early 2000s, but I don't think anybody gave a f*ck back then.


I saw the term twerking in a book from 1990/1991.

http://40.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8eopuL36K1rdqsfwo1_500.png

So this is what you call college culture? Men in underwear, half naked? OK someone needs to get their head checked.  ::)

http://40.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8eopuL36K1rdqsfwo1_500.png

So this is what you call college culture? Men in underwear, half naked? OK someone needs to get their head checked.  ::)


I am glad I somehow missed out on that. Stupid faux-Pop Punk dudes with sh!tty haircuts in their underwear... No thanks!

I am glad I somehow missed out on that. Stupid faux-Pop Punk dudes with sh!tty haircuts in their underwear... No thanks!


This was quite popular among emo/scene guys.  A lot of guys when I was in college would get together for Xbox or Wii parties and strip to their underwear.  I never had the confidence to do it.

This was quite popular among emo/scene guys.  A lot of guys when I was in college would get together for Xbox or Wii parties and strip to their underwear.  I never had the confidence to do it.


Really? That sounds pretty unpleasant to me. When I was that age in the early 00's (when emo meant bands like Dashboard and Jimmy Eat World), we'd have spiky hair like Sum 41 and would go skateboarding or play PS1/PS2 in our baggy dickies and Hurley shirts. This makes me glad I was born when I was.

1998-2003:
http://img2.bdbphotos.com/images/orig/u/u/uua9pnei84awuwa8.jpg?djet1p5k

That's what I'm talking about! This is the stuff I know and love! http://www.sherv.net/cm/emo/happy/thumbs-up.gif

2007-2009:
http://40.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8eopuL36K1rdqsfwo1_500.png

This is Pop Punk!? No thank you! 8-P

Really? That sounds pretty unpleasant to me. When I was that age in the early 00's (when emo meant bands like Dashboard and Jimmy Eat World), we'd have spiky hair like Sum 41 and would go skateboarding or play PS1/PS2 in our baggy dickies and Hurley shirts. This makes me glad I was born when I was.


It was mostly a late '00s thing.  Not everyone did this, in fact most didn't, but I knew a lot of people who did, mostly the scene guys in the D&D group I played in.

It was mostly a late '00s thing.  Not everyone did this, in fact most didn't, but I knew a lot of people who did, mostly the scene guys in the D&D group I played in.


Yeah, the mid-late 00's really aren't my thing, man. Stuff like this was weird. I used to go to the Warped Tour every year it came into town. I remember Warped Tour 2004 being this big change where everyone began to have, not exactly that All Time Low style (which began around 2006), but I'm sure you know what I mean when I say the mid-00's version of that (like From First to Last or Aiden). All that stuff changed and I sure as hell didn't like it! I went to Warped 2005 and every band was like that! The amount of faux-emo outnumbered the real Emo and Skate/Pop Punk bands with spiky hair. Not even just the bands but the kids, too. The focus on Xtreme! sports became less and less, too. After that, I knew that was it for me. I stopped going and I'm thankful I did. I saw a lot of people with that All Time Low hair in the late 00's too so I know it was a huge trend but I didn't know stripping was common in scene culture.

Yeah, the mid-late 00's really aren't my thing, man. Stuff like this was weird. I used to go to the Warped Tour every year it came into town. I remember Warped Tour 2004 being this big change where everyone began to have, not exactly that All Time Low style (which began around 2006), but I'm sure you know what I mean when I say the mid-00's version of that (like From First to Last or Aiden). All that stuff changed and I sure as hell didn't like it! I went to Warped 2005 and every band was like that! The amount of faux-emo outnumbered the real Emo and Skate/Pop Punk bands with spiky hair. Not even just the bands but the kids, too. The focus on Xtreme! sports became less and less, too. After that, I knew that was it for me. I stopped going and I'm thankful I did. I saw a lot of people with that All Time Low hair in the late 00's too so I know it was a huge trend but I didn't know stripping was common in scene culture.


Yeah pop punk during the emo/scene era was an entirely different ballgame than it was in the early '00s.  I remember the focus on "Xtreme" in the early '00s.  This lasted through about 2003 or 2004.  In the mid and late '00s it got weird.  Some good music came out during that time though, despite the culture.

Yeah pop punk during the emo/scene era was an entirely different ballgame than it was in the early '00s.  I remember the focus on "Xtreme" in the early '00s.  This lasted through about 2003 or 2004.  In the mid and late '00s it got weird.  Some good music came out during that time though, despite the culture.


It was. I started going to shows in 1996 and even when Pop Punk sorta "updated" itself around 1997-1998, it still felt like a continuation of what blew up with Dookie. 2003-2004 felt like when everything changed for me. Not just Pop Punk but pop culture and trends in general and I certainly didn't like it at all. Emo kids used to wear sweater vests and thick glasses in the early 00's. Emo meant bands like Dashboard Confessional and Jimmy Eat World. Those guys were playing a style of Emo that existed in the mid 90's. That began to change once Fall Out Boy released their debut and continued with blink's untitled (the differences between Fall Out Boy's 2003 Evening Out With Your Girlfriend and their Take This To Your Grave are incredible. Two time periods in one). I don't really follow trends all that much but I'd say I was actually a pretty hip guy during those days just because my interested lined up with the times. I don't like the Edgar Allen Poe-esque poetic mid-late 00's style. Those guys were singing like they're in theater productions and plays. In the early 00's, it was about Xtreme! skateboarding slackers who, more often than not, looked and talked like the Dell dude. Problem is, Pop Punk is still stuck in that mid-late 00's era. You hear that new Simple Plan song "Boom"? It sounds like something from 2005/2006; not at all like they did in 2002 when they were at their best.

I am glad I somehow missed out on that. Stupid faux-Pop Punk dudes with sh!tty haircuts in their underwear... No thanks!


I could do without those haircuts.

This was quite popular among emo/scene guys.  A lot of guys when I was in college would get together for Xbox or Wii parties and strip to their underwear.  I never had the confidence to do it.


"scratches head"  ??? ::)

I could do without those haircuts.


Me, too. These are the haircuts I like to see:

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