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Subject: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: ocarinafan96 on 11/08/15 at 12:10 pm

Thoughts, opinions?

Personally I would say early 2000's, but there is a strong argument for someone to suggest it to be mid 2000's

Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: JordanK1982 on 11/08/15 at 12:17 pm

Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: mqg96 on 11/08/15 at 1:01 pm

I was just talking about this topic earlier with someone else on another site. A LOT of people have mixed opinions on the year 2003, just like 1997, 2008, or late 2012/early 2013. These were all transitional periods! Is 2003 an early 2000's year, a mid 2000's year, a core 2000's year, the last year of late 90's influences, etc. Who really knows? It is a fact that 2003 was the very last time any type of late 90's/early 2000's pop culture was relevant whatsoever, which saw all of it come to an end, but politically, worldly, and fashion wise it was extreme 2000's by then especially with the Iraq War getting started. IMO I consider 2003 to be the transition from early 2000's/millennial era to mid 2000's, however, I don't consider 2003 as a core 2000's year yet. The first full year of the core 2000's was 2004. However, I still think the mid 2000's started in late 2003 though while it was the last gasp of early 2000's, especially when Myspace came out and when DVD's became the dominant form of home distribution over VHS. However, at the same time Fall 2003 was when it was still transitioning over to core 2000's but it was almost complete, which was in full effect by the start of 2004.

Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: SpyroKev on 11/08/15 at 1:12 pm

Early 2000s. The Mid 2000s sneaked in Late 2003 by the time Kanye West, All Falls Down music video was released. 2003 still felt strongly 90s. Especially centered around the Hip Hop and R&B vibes of that year.

Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: Eazy-EMAN1995 on 11/08/15 at 1:33 pm

Early 00s, the mid 2000s didn't begin for me personally, politically, and pop culturally until the fall of 2004 DEFINITELY!!

Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: Baltimoreian on 11/08/15 at 5:59 pm

2003 is like the border/transitional year for the early to mid 2000s. You had Evanescence being popular with her first album (I think) and then you have some of the original Cartoon Cartoons ending. For some of its crap, it didn't became noticeable until 2004 happened. So, you wouldn't really see a lot of late 90s stuff dying until 2004, per se.

Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: #Infinity on 11/08/15 at 6:07 pm

I'd say it was predominantly early 2000s, since The Neptunes and Yu-Gi-Oh! were still popular, iPods and iTunes had yet to overtake CDs, bands like blink-182, Good Charlotte, and Sum 41 were still the faces of pop punk, Linkin Park's Hybrid Theory-esque Meteora was still huge, Cartoon Network and Nickelodeon were very much still in their classic eras, Game Boy Advance was still in its prime, and MySpace was not yet mainstream.

Like 1996 was to the late 90s, however, the last third of 2003 was pivotal to the transition from the early to mid-2000s. This was when Get Low and Damn! became hit singles, thus ending the Neptunes era of urban music and ushering in the crunk era (no pun intended, considering the artist of the biggest crunk hit). Lindsay Lohan starred in the Freaky Friday remake, thus setting the stage for Mean Girls. Yu-Gi-Oh! was officially flooded out of the mainstream due to the Noah Arc maddeningly interrupting the Battle City Arc just as it was getting exciting, with Pokémon reclaiming its title as the popular Japanese game/anime of the day. Teen Titans premiered in July and was a well-known series by the autumn. Cartoon Network switched out its Cartoon Cartoon Fridays theme for the live action, TRL-inspired Fridays. iPods, while still not a craze like they were in 2004, were picking up in popularity around the autumn of this year and made great Hanukah or Christmas gifts. MySpace was launched in August, thus giving social media a quiet but important entrance into popular culture. Personally, I could go with as early as autumn 2003 as the beginning of the mid-2000s, though I would personally set the cutoff at the following winter.

Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: bchris02 on 11/08/15 at 7:52 pm

Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: Zelek on 11/08/15 at 8:38 pm

It was the last year of the early '00s. Emo was in its infancy that year. Pop-punk and post-grunge dominated rock. We were still purely in the Web 1.0 era with dial-up still being more popular the broadband. CDs were still the dominant way to purchase music. Consoles were 6th generation and PC gaming was very popular with LAN parties being commonplace. Bush was still very popular that year and the public still supported the War on Terror and the War in Iraq. Social media was virtually non-existent as it was still the pre-MySpace era.

Do you think we're still in the "Web 2.0" era, or do you agree with the people who say we're in a "Web 3.0" era?

For me, if there has to be a Web 3.0, the eras would go something like this:
Web 1.0 - 1995-2004 (virtually no social media)
Web 2.0 - 2004-2008 (social media getting popular)
Web 3.0 - 2008-present (all social media, all the time)

Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: JordanK1982 on 11/08/15 at 9:00 pm

Do you think we're still in the "Web 2.0" era, or do you agree with the people who say we're in a "Web 3.0" era?

For me, if there has to be a Web 3.0, the eras would go something like this:
Web 1.0 - 1995-2004 (virtually no social media)
Web 2.0 - 2004-2008 (social media getting popular)
Web 3.0 - 2008-present (all social media, all the time)

Woah, we're in a Web 3.0 era now!? I thought we were still in 2.0 but I guess that makes sense. From that perspective, your list is 100% accurate. 2008 is the year when smartphones, Tumbler (no, I refuse to spell it the other way. It looks stupid), Twitter and Facebook started making their mark on society and now people can't even look at each other in the eye anymore when having a conversation. I kind of miss the old 1995-2004 internet. Sure, it was slower and didn't have the capabilities of today's super alien technology but it had a certain charm and mystery to it. Plus, it was fun. All those animated gifs and bad homemade webpages. It didn't take itself so seriously like 2008 onward. I've noticed that with a lot of things, the tech may be less convenient but the era's have more charm and charisma or whatever you wanna call it.

Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: bchris02 on 11/09/15 at 3:40 pm

Do you think we're still in the "Web 2.0" era, or do you agree with the people who say we're in a "Web 3.0" era?

For me, if there has to be a Web 3.0, the eras would go something like this:
Web 1.0 - 1995-2004 (virtually no social media)
Web 2.0 - 2004-2008 (social media getting popular)
Web 3.0 - 2008-present (all social media, all the time)

I strongly disagree with this.

Arguably we are still in the Web 2.0 era, but if we are in a Web 3.0 era, it began in 2011 with the shift to tablets and apps as opposed to traditional websites. Most major websites today are designed for the tablet first and the traditional PC second. There is no way Web 3.0 began in 2008, as that was basically the height of Web 2.0 on the traditional PC. The eras would look something like this.

Web 1.0 - 1993-2005 (Pre-social media era, content designed for dial-up)
Web 2.0 - 2005-2011 (Interactive content, social media, content designed for broadband)
Web 3.0 - 2011-Present (Apps, smartphones, tablets, content designed primarily for portable devices)

I think some people underestimate how far we've come technologically since the late '00s. Much in the same way people forget that most people still had dial-up in the early 2000s, its hard to imagine a pre-smartphone, pre-tablet, pre-social media world today.

Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: mqg96 on 11/09/15 at 3:49 pm

Web 2.0 - 2005-2011 (Interactive content, social media, content designed for broadband)
Web 3.0 - 2011-Present (Apps, smartphones, tablets, content designed primarily for portable devices)

I don't think social media in 2005 or 2006 was on the same booming level as 2008-2011, even though I do agree that 2005 & 2006 was transitional, but even then the internet/social media wasn't as of a necessity on the level it became by 2007-2009. As for your opinion on Web 3.0 starting in 2011, you might be right on that, but I believe there were already apps, smartphones, and tablets before that from what I remember. Maybe it was just transitioning over but idk.

Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: bchris02 on 11/09/15 at 3:54 pm

I don't think social media in 2005 or 2006 was on the same booming level as 2008-2011, even though I do agree that 2005 & 2006 was transitional, but even then the internet/social media wasn't as of a necessity on the level it became by 2007-2009. As for your opinion on Web 3.0 starting in 2011, there were already apps, smartphones, and tablets big by 2010 from what I remember. Maybe it was just transitioning over but idk.

I see social media as primarily Web 2.0. Sandboxed content designed for portable devices is the hallmark of Web 3.0, if there is one. I use 2011 because that was the year that the iPad really started to make its mark on the computer industry. That was also the year that smartphones became standard rather than a novelty. Both modern tablets and smartphones started to become big in 2010 but 2011 was the year the change was really felt. The iPhone was mostly a novelty in 2008 and 2009.

Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: Baltimoreian on 11/09/15 at 8:30 pm

Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: mxcrashxm on 11/10/15 at 11:27 am

I say it's early considering not only did it still have a millennial era vibe, but some of the things that defines the mid 00s had not yet existed.

Do you think we're still in the "Web 2.0" era, or do you agree with the people who say we're in a "Web 3.0" era?

For me, if there has to be a Web 3.0, the eras would go something like this:
Web 1.0 - 1995-2004 (virtually no social media)
Web 2.0 - 2004-2008 (social media getting popular)
Web 3.0 - 2008-present (all social media, all the time)

I say we really are in the Web 3.0 era. Here's some photos for each one

http://blitznak.files.wordpress.com/2013/02/web1-02-03-0.jpg

http://www.1stwebdesigner.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/webvs.jpg

http://rockcheetah.com/rockcheetah/images/websummary.jpg

http://img.labnol.org/di/webevolution.png

http://fileunderheading.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/web_021.png

I strongly disagree with this.

Arguably we are still in the Web 2.0 era, but if we are in a Web 3.0 era, it began in 2011 with the shift to tablets and apps as opposed to traditional websites. Most major websites today are designed for the tablet first and the traditional PC second. There is no way Web 3.0 began in 2008, as that was basically the height of Web 2.0 on the traditional PC. The eras would look something like this.

Web 1.0 - 1993-2005 (Pre-social media era, content designed for dial-up
Web 2.0 - 2005-2011 (Interactive content, social media, content designed for broadband)
Web 3.0 - 2011-Present (Apps, smartphones, tablets, content designed primarily for portable devices)

I think some people underestimate how far we've come technologically since the late '00s. Much in the same way people forget that most people still had dial-up in the early 2000s, its hard to imagine a pre-smartphone, pre-tablet, pre-social media world today.
I would change the Web 1.0 start to 1997. The World population with internet wasn't 2% and the U.S population with it wasn't 20% until that year.

http://www.internetlivestats.com/internet-users/

https://www.google.com/search?q=internet%20use%20in%20america&rct=j

Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: bchris02 on 11/10/15 at 1:53 pm

Yeah...the charts above are also a good explanation.

Web 2.0 isn't simply a transition period from the 90s web to the current web as Zelek implied. Each version of the web radically changed the way we interact and consume content.

Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: Howard on 11/10/15 at 2:40 pm

Thoughts, opinions?

Personally I would say early 2000's, but there is a strong argument for someone to suggest it to be mid 2000's

It would be early 2000's.

Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: Catherine91UK on 11/11/15 at 8:16 am

Yes, I agree that 2003 was the last year of the early 2000s.

Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: Ripley on 11/11/15 at 3:23 pm

Early. The year after I graduated started the middle portion of the decade. And 2003 is when I graduated.

Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: af2010 on 11/14/15 at 3:04 pm

Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: mqg96 on 11/14/15 at 4:20 pm

I consider it mid. By 2003, most Y2K era fads (bubblegum pop, nu-metal, pokemon craze, Abercrombie, frosted tips, etc.) were either dead or significantly less popular. It was evident to me that we were in a different era when crunk, the ultimate mid 00s genre, blew up on the mainstream with "Get Low."

You could say the Pokemon craze ended in 2001 when Yu-Gi-Oh got popular, or in late 2003 when Misty left the Pokemon series. I could still come up with many Y2K era fad's with the exception of music that were still relevant in 2003, but 2003 was more of a transitional year though, I still consider it as mostly early 2000's though, despite the mid 2000's starting during that year.

Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: bchris02 on 11/14/15 at 4:42 pm

I consider it mid. By 2003, most Y2K era fads (bubblegum pop, nu-metal, pokemon craze, Abercrombie, frosted tips, etc.) were either dead or significantly less popular. It was evident to me that we were in a different era when crunk, the ultimate mid 00s genre, blew up on the mainstream with "Get Low."

Abercrombie was in no way declining in 2003 as it was everywhere that year. I don't think its popularity peaked until 2004 or 2005. It still remained pretty popular until the very late '00s when logos went out of fashion.

I agree with you on the other items. Pokemon had died down significantly, few guys had frosted tips, and teen pop had gone R&B. 2003 was the last year pop-punk was popular.

Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: af2010 on 11/14/15 at 7:03 pm

You could say the Pokemon craze ended in 2001 when Yu-Gi-Oh got popular, or in late 2003 when Misty left the Pokemon series. I could still come up with many Y2K era fad's with the exception of music that were still relevant in 2003, but 2003 was more of a transitional year though, I still consider it as mostly early 2000's though, despite the mid 2000's starting during that year.

The early 00s were basically just the latter part of the millennium era. I see 2002 as more of a transitional year than 2003; it was post-911/pre-Iraq, many millennium era fads were on their last legs, and urban music/culture was beginning to dominate the mainstream.

Abercrombie was in no way declining in 2003 as it was everywhere that year. I don't think its popularity peaked until 2004 or 2005. It still remained pretty popular until the very late '00s when logos went out of fashion.

Maybe not so much the brand itself, but the clean cut preppy look was going out of style.

Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: JordanK1982 on 11/14/15 at 9:01 pm

The early 00s were basically just the latter part of the millennium era. I see 2002 as more of a transitional year than 2003; it was post-911/pre-Iraq, many millennium era fads were on their last legs, and urban music/culture was beginning to dominate the mainstream.

I agree that they're the latter part of the Y2K era (honestly, the year 2000 itself and the year 2002 aren't that much different from each other, either) but I don't think 2002 felt like a transitional year at all. Most of the trends and culture that went full force in 1998 were still going strong in 2002. I'd argue that around mid-2003 is when the Y2K trends started to die out and stuff like the new-emo/pop punk, Alt. Metal, Myspace, the iPod, Broadband and DVD's started making their mark on culture. In 2002, it was all about the 1998-styled emo and Pop Punk, Nu Metal, VHS and Dial-Up were still more common, iPod wasn't as big yet and no Myspace. Even living it, 2002 still felt a lot like 1998 whereas once 2004 hit, I felt like I was in a new era. 2002 didn't have the seriousness of the mid-2000's which started around 2003.

Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: the2001 on 11/14/15 at 9:07 pm

Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: bchris02 on 11/14/15 at 9:08 pm

I agree that they're the latter part of the Y2K era (honestly, the year 2000 itself and the year 2002 aren't that much different from each other, either) but I don't think 2002 felt like a transitional year at all. Most of the trends and culture that went full force in 1998 were still going strong in 2002. I'd argue that around mid-2003 is when the Y2K trends started to die out and stuff like the new-emo/pop punk, Alt. Metal, Myspace, the iPod, Broadband and DVD's started making their mark on culture. In 2002, it was all about the 1998-styled emo and Pop Punk, Nu Metal, VHS and Dial-Up were still more common, iPod wasn't as big yet and no Myspace. Even living it, 2002 still felt a lot like 1998 whereas once 2004 hit, I felt like I was in a new era. 2002 didn't have the seriousness of the mid-2000's which started around 2003.

Fully agree with this. 2002 was pure early '00s and wasn't transitional at all. 2003 was still early '00s but you could definitely feel the transition beginning.

Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: JordanK1982 on 11/14/15 at 9:13 pm

yeah 2002 is like the 90s finale

That's honestly how I look at it, too. 2002 is the last true year of the 90's as far as I'm concerned.

Fully agree with this. 2002 was pure early '00s and wasn't transitional at all. 2003 was still early '00s but you could definitely feel the transition beginning.

Exactly. 2003 was still pretty Y2K but a lot of the newer mid-00's stuff started popping up pretty quick. 2003 felt quite a bit different than 2000-2002 did but it has just enough stuff to wedge it in there with the early 00's than the mid.

Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: bchris02 on 11/14/15 at 9:16 pm

That's honestly how I look at it, too. 2002 is the last true year of the 90's as far as I'm concerned.

I would say Y2K era, not '90s. There was a huge difference between 2002 and 1996. Not so much between 2002 and 1999.

Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: JordanK1982 on 11/14/15 at 9:21 pm

I would say Y2K era, not '90s. There was a huge difference between 2002 and 1996. Not so much between 2002 and 1999.

Oh, definitely! I think the last year of the core 90's is 1997. That's the last year where we were really in the 90's but a lot of stuff was left over from the core-era into 2002 such as bands like Green Day, Offspring and Korn's influence etc. 2003 is when society started cleaning off the 90's + Y2K culture but 2004 is when we eradicated it almost completely. But you're right, even 1998 and 1999 felt pretty different than 1993-1997 did. Both those years are a lot closer to 2000-2002 but the Y2K era as a whole is closer to the core 90's than the core 00's. It's a mix of two things, really. A "what-if?" 2000's with a bit of the 90's leftover.

Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: the2001 on 11/14/15 at 9:51 pm

Oh, definitely! I think the last year of the core 90's is 1997. That's the last year where we were really in the 90's but a lot of stuff was left over from the core-era into 2002 such as bands like Green Day, Offspring and Korn's influence etc. 2003 is when society started cleaning off the 90's + Y2K culture but 2004 is when we eradicated it almost completely. But you're right, even 1998 and 1999 felt pretty different than 1993-1997 did. Both those years are a lot closer to 2000-2002 but the Y2K era as a whole is closer to the core 90's than the core 00's. It's a mix of two things, really. A "what-if?" 2000's with a bit of the 90's leftover.

omg perfect ahaah a what if, like a TRIAL 2000s

Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: JordanK1982 on 11/14/15 at 9:56 pm

omg perfect ahaah a what if, like a TRIAL 2000s

Something like that. At the time, it seemed to be the direction that the 2000's were heading in so that's why I use the term "what-if?" 2000's.

Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: musicguy93 on 11/15/15 at 8:04 pm

2003's weird. It's sorta in the middle. The fun and extreme feel of the Y2K era started to fade by mid-2003 but it was still pretty prevalent throughout the year. Pop Punk stared getting really lame and yo yo homeboys like fiddy cent broke out but it was a slow transition.

2004, on the other hand is in no way early 00's at all. The beginning to the end of that year is core 00's. It's really far removed from what was good about 2000-2002 (and not very good. Looking at you American Idiot).

I agree completely. 2003 was like a transition between the early and mid 00s. 2004 was definitely not early 00s. It's funny though. There are a lot of younger kids who comment on songs from like 2004 or 2005, that say stuff like, "Man the early 00s were awesome!". Also, believe it or not, I've actually read articles that called Mean Girls an early 00s movie. I'm not even kidding.

Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: mqg96 on 11/15/15 at 8:21 pm

Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: JordanK1982 on 11/15/15 at 8:45 pm

I agree completely. 2003 was like a transition between the early and mid 00s. 2004 was definitely not early 00s. It's funny though. There are a lot of younger kids who comment on songs from like 2004 or 2005, that say stuff like, "Man the early 00s were awesome!". Also, believe it or not, I've actually read articles that called Mean Girls an early 00s movie. I'm not even kidding.

I was born in early 1996 and I even know myself that no way 2004 was early 2000's. 2004 was when the peak of 2000's culture really took off for sure. It happened as soon as the year kicked off. There was something about 2003 that felt extremely different that you no longer felt by the time 2004 came along, like this dreamy vibe had disappeared outta no where.

You're both on point. I see buzzfeed lists that put crap like Emo, Myspace, Fall Out Boy and American Idiot on "remember the early 00's" lists. The early 00's were about blink/sum spiky red haired pop punk, Jimmy Eat World styled Emo and Fred Durst angsty Nu Metal to name some small examples. Same with Mean Girls. That movie feels so different than real early 00's movies like American Pie 2, Van Wilder or The New Guy. Once 2004 hit, the transition was complete and we really did enter the true 2000's. 2004 was much more darker, somber and "mature." Bands like Green Day, MCR, From First to Last and Aiden had already released their albums in all their Myspace eyeliner glory and Nu Metal had finally gone away in 2004 and bands like Papa Roach and Slipknot started moving away from the genre. It was all about the iPod during this year. The 2000-2002 and most of 2003 angst had a very campy summer-time feeling whereas, starting in 2003 but taking full effect in 2004, had this autumn "fall-semester" feeling or a teen girl on Myspace feeling. I always bring up the difference between Spider-Man and Spider-Man 2 to compare how 2000-2002 felt as opposed to 2004-onward. The soundtrack alone tells it all with it's Sum 41 rap song.

Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: af2010 on 11/15/15 at 11:48 pm

I agree that they're the latter part of the Y2K era (honestly, the year 2000 itself and the year 2002 aren't that much different from each other, either) but I don't think 2002 felt like a transitional year at all. Most of the trends and culture that went full force in 1998 were still going strong in 2002. I'd argue that around mid-2003 is when the Y2K trends started to die out and stuff like the new-emo/pop punk, Alt. Metal, Myspace, the iPod, Broadband and DVD's started making their mark on culture. In 2002, it was all about the 1998-styled emo and Pop Punk, Nu Metal, VHS and Dial-Up were still more common, iPod wasn't as big yet and no Myspace. Even living it, 2002 still felt a lot like 1998 whereas once 2004 hit, I felt like I was in a new era. 2002 didn't have the seriousness of the mid-2000's which started around 2003.

I still consider 2002 to be part of the Millennium era, but the mainstream pop culture was a lot less bubblegum than say, 2000. Maybe because it was post-911, but it just seemed darker and grittier than the years preceding it. Compare Christina Aguilera's "Dirrty" to "Genie in a Bottle." Mainstream pop culture was becoming less bubblegum and more urban. Here's a good representation of 2002:

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Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: JordanK1982 on 11/16/15 at 9:53 am

I still consider 2002 to be part of the Millennium era, but the mainstream pop culture was a lot less bubblegum than say, 2000. Maybe because it was post-911, but it just seemed darker and grittier than the years preceding it. Compare Christina Aguilera's "Dirrty" to "Genie in a Bottle." Mainstream pop culture was becoming less bubblegum and more urban. Here's a good representation of 2002:

TjWAWcx4xdE

Well, Bubblegum Pop wasn't the front and center of Pop Culture. Only 1999 and 2000 are when teen pop was really at it's peak if you live in the US. By early 2001, they started dying out. The people in these groups were just getting older. If you're in Europe, then Teen Pop was still huge until 2004. Though, in 2002, you still had enough Teen Pop remaining and it was the last year in the US that it charted. And even the late 90's had the gritty Urban Hip Hop style. Dr. Dre's 2001 comes to mind. Not to mention that guys like Lil Jon and 50 Cent were already making music by 1997 and 1998. And this is only focusing on Hip Hop. Post-Grunge, Nu Metal and Pop Punk (three really big parts of Pop Culture) didn't go through any change in 2002 and they were still the biggest genre's of rock at the time. It wasn't until sometime in 2003 that the bands of these genres started changing their styles.

This represents 2002 pretty well:
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Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: mqg96 on 01/06/16 at 11:09 am

Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: JordanK1982 on 01/06/16 at 11:41 am

BUMP! 8-P ;D

Here's a recap video of how 2003 was like pop culturally. It definitely explains why it's the cusp between early 2000's culture and core 2000's culture as a full year. I really enjoyed this year pop culturally looking far back.

I don't like these videos very much because the dude misses so much content.

I am actually listening to some Pop Punk from 2003 right now (and it all still sounds like 1998 Pop Punk unlike that stupid Fall Out Boy album) and it made me think about how 2003 was. Still think it differed quite a bit from 1998-2002 but most of 2003 culture was still Y2K with the core 2000's creeping in. A Pop Punk album like MFZB fits in with what was happening in previous years rather than anything from 2004 onward. I got old tapes from the early 2000's and most of the commercials and TV shows still had the extreme vibe. 2003 is the bridge between the 90's/Y2K era and the real 2000's before the purging of 2004. In my mind, 2003 will live under the shadow that the great 2000, 2001 and 2002 cast but it's still my last favorite year of pop culture (if you're wondering, my favorite years span from 1977-2003).

This came out in 2003 and it could of been relevant all the way up to 2010. Hell, newer Pop Punk still sounds like this:
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The song is from 2002 but this video came out in 2003. This one is very time specific to the late 90's and early 00's. The clothing and style wasn't very relevant 2004 onward once Panic at the Disco and Fall Out Boy got big. Totally different from the Fall Out Boy video above:
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This video is a perfect example of 2002 style. This came out around spring 2002:
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Here is another video by the same band from 2002. This came out during winter 2002. Sorry about the quality. It's the best I can find:
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Exact same song as the one above but this video was released in spring 2003. The song still sounds the same but the mood and style is completely different than both of the 2002 videos:
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Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: ArcticFox on 01/06/16 at 3:53 pm

It's both core and early 2000's.

Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: Toon on 01/06/16 at 4:42 pm

Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: JordanK1982 on 01/06/16 at 4:55 pm

I saw it as a transitional year between early and mid. But just enough to be considered part of the early 2000s. The beginning of 2003 felt like 2002 to me. The middle of 2003 is where the early 2000s feel begins to fad, but it's just the beginning. Still has more of a early 2000s feel than it did mid. Late 2003 is I could say it had a bit of a mid 2000s feel. But overall the transitional years tend to feel more closer to the eras that they're transitioning from (early 2000s) than where they're transitioning towards (mid 2000s).

I agree. 1996 and 1997 are transitions into the 1998-2002 era but they're still predominately core 90's. 2003 is a transition into the real 2000's (not to mention the core 2000's) but it's still predominately Y2K era. 1993 is the only transition year that's more core 90's (where it was headed) than early.

Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: 80sfan on 01/06/16 at 8:22 pm

Grey areas. The first five months is early 00s, but the mid and late of 2003 was pure 00s. :(

Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: JordanK1982 on 01/07/16 at 11:55 am

Grey areas. The first five months is early 00s, but the mid and late of 2003 was pure 00s. :(

I like how you put the frowny face because I too frown at the real 2000's.

Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: 2001 on 01/07/16 at 1:25 pm

Grey areas. The first five months is early 00s, but the mid and late of 2003 was pure 00s. :(

I can see it from that perspective if I were an adult. With the Iraq and Afghanistan War raging on and Bush's idiocy at its peak. But for kids I think it was still early 2000s, because a lot of the shows that started airing in the late 90s were still running in 2003, like Powerpuff Girls, Pokémon, Dexter's Laboratory, pre-movie Spongebob etc.

2000-2002: majority of kid shows are still from the late 90s
2003: a lot of the shows are going off air, but majority (that I watched anyway) are still from the late 90s. Pokémon Johto league finished, and the massive disaster that was Dragon Ball GT started airing. Those two shows are like the defining TV shows for Y2K kids lol.
2004: Pretty much all 90s shows are gone, replaced with pure 2000s shows.

You can also see 2004 as when Friends stopped airing and when American Idiot and GTA: San Andreas were released. I consider that the start to the real 2000s.

Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: mqg96 on 01/07/16 at 1:38 pm

I can see it from that perspective if I were an adult. With the Iraq and Afghanistan War raging on and Bush's idiocy at its peak. But for kids I think it was still early 2000s, because a lot of the shows that started airing in the late 90s were still running in 2003, like Powerpuff Girls, Pokémon, Dexter's Laboratory, pre-movie Spongebob etc.

Yep, that was me in summer 2003 when I was 7. Actually when I was in 2nd grade (2003-2004) Dexter's Lab and Powerpuff Girls still had new episodes along with the reruns.

2003: a lot of the shows are going off air, but majority (that I watched anyway) are still from the late 90s. Pokémon Johto league finished, and the massive disaster that was Dragon Ball GT started airing. Those two shows are like the defining TV shows for Y2K kids lol.

I have to remind people this every time. 2003 was still the very last season Pokemon was in its first generation. I mainly grew up with the reruns on Cartoon Network but on Kids WB with Pokemon's original run the Master Quest season was the very last time Ash, Misty, and Brock were together. Around late 2003 is when the Advanced season and 2nd generation Pokemon began when May replaced Misty. Which marked the end of golden age Pokemon in my eyes. I wasn't the biggest fan of the Pokemon TV series growing up, I just watched it for fun but those are the facts though. Sure the Pokemania craze with the cards or games may have lasted from 1998-2001ish, but the TV series was still in its prime in 2002 & 2003 competing with Yu-G-Oh. Early 2004 is when DBGT replaced DBZ. I didn't care as a kid, but looking back DBZ was a lot better. DBZ (uncut) did return in 2005 on Saturday nights for a little bit though.

Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: JordanK1982 on 01/07/16 at 2:04 pm

I have to remind people this every time. 2003 was still the very last season Pokemon was in its first generation. I mainly grew up with the reruns on Cartoon Network but on Kids WB with Pokemon's original run the Master Quest season was the very last time Ash, Misty, and Brock were together. Around late 2003 is when the Advanced season and 2nd generation Pokemon began when May replaced Misty. Which marked the end of golden age Pokemon in my eyes. I wasn't the biggest fan of the Pokemon TV series growing up, I just watched it for fun but those are the facts though. Sure the Pokemania craze with the cards or games may have lasted from 1998-2001ish, but the TV series was still in its prime in 2002 & 2003 competing with Yu-G-Oh. Early 2004 is when DBGT replaced DBZ. I didn't care as a kid, but looking back DBZ was a lot better. DBZ (uncut) did return in 2005 on Saturday nights for a little bit though.

I know literally nothing about Pokemon except for the fact that I took my cousins to Pokemon 2000 (I don't even know what the hell I saw. I literally couldn't understand a thing that was going on. That was one kids show I didn't bother to watch) but I remember them and their friends being addicted to those dumb monsters well into 2004. I think Yu-Gi-Oh premiered in 2000 (or was it 2001?) so you little dudes had Yu-Gi-Oh competeing with Pokemon right from the start of the early 00's. I did watch a little bit of Dragon Ball Z (I never liked those anime cartoons but this one was pretty funny) and that is a very 1997-2003 thing.

Also, you had Buffy, Sabrina the Teenage Witch, Clone High, Invader Zim, Friends and Frasier still airing in 2003. Those shows reek of the late 90's and early 00's. They'd be really out of place in 2005.

I am thinking fall 2003 is when real 2000's culture started getting prominent.

Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: mqg96 on 01/07/16 at 2:42 pm

I am thinking fall 2003 is when real 2000's culture started getting prominent.

From my viewpoint I consider fall 2003 to spring 2004 as the transition between early 2000's and mid 2000's culture. Summer 2003 was the last time early 2000's culture peaked. Summer 2004 was the first time mid 2000's culture truly peaked for me.

In general I wasn't a big fan of anime growing up either and I'm still not today. I've always watched it for fun like any other regular cartoon when I was a kid and even today whenever I tune in to Toonami on about one Saturday late-night every 2 or 3 months.

Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: 2001 on 01/07/16 at 2:48 pm

It was mostly dudes, and mainly nerdy* dudes, who played Yugioh from what I remember. I don't think many girls born in the early 90s would reminisce over Yugioh lol. Pokémon was a lot more inclusive.

*Not that there's anything wrong with that, being nerdy or geeky was always in vogue with my age group.

Yugioh went weird after around 2004 as well. I stopped watching the show earlier because the show really is awful even by kid standards, but in 2004 I remember the main character was banished by an Egyptian God to a portal in some anti-world where everything is opposite. That was some weird sh¡t lol.

I never made a distinction between Japanese and American cartoons. They're just cartoons to me lol

Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: SpyroKev on 01/07/16 at 5:05 pm

It was mostly dudes, and mainly nerdy* dudes, who played Yugioh from what I remember. I don't think many girls born in the early 90s would reminisce over Yugioh lol. Pokémon was a lot more inclusive.

*Not that there's anything wrong with that, being nerdy or geeky was always in vogue with my age group.

Yugioh went weird after around 2004 as well. I stopped watching the show earlier because the show really is awful even by kid standards, but in 2004 I remember the main character was banished by an Egyptian God to a portal in some anti-world where everything is opposite. That was some weird sh¡t lol.

I never made a distinction between Japanese and American cartoons. They're just cartoons to me lol

The Yu-Gi-Oh craze was most definitely a male thing haha I only knew one girl that collected Pokémon cards in 2001. Yeah. The same thing happened to Pokémon. The feeling of both series went off and on. Yu-Gi-Oh GX was fairly off. Yu-Gi-Oh 5D's actually felt like the classic. Yu-Gi-Oh Zexel is plain disgusting. Pokémon Diamond & Pear was watchable. Still fairly felt like Pokémon. Best Wishes was almost pure weird. Now Pokémon feels like it took a new beginning.

Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: 80sfan on 01/07/16 at 5:08 pm

I like how you put the frowny face because I too frown at the real 2000's.

It was a sad face, yes. But it was an okay decade for movies and TV. It was only music, I have a problem with.

Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: 80sfan on 01/07/16 at 5:09 pm

I can see it from that perspective if I were an adult. With the Iraq and Afghanistan War raging on and Bush's idiocy at its peak. But for kids I think it was still early 2000s, because a lot of the shows that started airing in the late 90s were still running in 2003, like Powerpuff Girls, Pokémon, Dexter's Laboratory, pre-movie Spongebob etc.

2000-2002: majority of kid shows are still from the late 90s
2003: a lot of the shows are going off air, but majority (that I watched anyway) are still from the late 90s. Pokémon Johto league finished, and the massive disaster that was Dragon Ball GT started airing. Those two shows are like the defining TV shows for Y2K kids lol.
2004: Pretty much all 90s shows are gone, replaced with pure 2000s shows.

You can also see 2004 as when Friends stopped airing and when American Idiot and GTA: San Andreas were released. I consider that the start to the real 2000s.

Yes, I was 14 for most of 2003.

Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: 2001 on 01/07/16 at 5:13 pm

Yes, I was 14 for most of 2003.

I was a big Bush hater when I was like 11, why are you waiting till you're 14? :P

Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: 80sfan on 01/07/16 at 5:31 pm

I was a big Bush hater when I was like 11, why are you waiting till you're 14? :P

I just meant I was probably older than you at the time. I didn't have strong feelings for Bush one way or another, but yes, lots of people didn't like Bush, even Right wingers.

Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: JordanK1982 on 01/07/16 at 9:38 pm

It was a sad face, yes. But it was an okay decade for movies and TV. It was only music, I have a problem with.

So-so. I like some movies and TV shows but they are too inferior from the 2000-2002 part of the decade. The music, though, oh man! Mid-late 2000's music is the worst!

2003 was good but I think we can all agree that 2002 is the last truly great year.

From my viewpoint I consider fall 2003 to spring 2004 as the transition between early 2000's and mid 2000's culture. Summer 2003 was the last time early 2000's culture peaked. Summer 2004 was the first time mid 2000's culture truly peaked for me.

In general I wasn't a big fan of anime growing up either and I'm still not today. I've always watched it for fun like any other regular cartoon when I was a kid and even today whenever I tune in to Toonami on about one Saturday late-night every 2 or 3 months.

Yeah, June 2004 felt very mid 2000's. You might be able to say summer 2003 was the last Y2K era summer but even then, it still had a bit of core 2000's culture creeping in.

I've never really been very interested in it. I've always preferred goofy cartoons like Looney Toons, Rocky and Bullwinkle, Beavis and Butthead, Johnny Bravo and Dexter's Laboratory. I liked Dragon Ball Z a lot, though. It's a hilarious show. Master Roshi is the best.

I was a big Bush hater when I was like 11, why are you waiting till you're 14? :P

I just meant I was probably older than you at the time. I didn't have strong feelings for Bush one way or another, but yes, lots of people didn't like Bush, even Right wingers.

I remember in 2000-2002, the general public really liked Bush and thought he was a good guy. Pearl Jam and the Dixie Chicks got booed off stage for talking sh!t about the guy around 2000-2002. Then, in 2003, he started the Iraq war and (crappy) albums like Rock Against Bush (total crap) and American Idiot (that album ruined their mighty legacy) started coming out and people praised them for "doing something no one dared to do" which is far from true. Green Day didn't even release a god damn protest album. There are two vaguely political songs on that album. The rest of the time they're ripping off Tommy and Zen Arcade but instead of an interesting story, they're bullsh!tting about some Hot Topic brat who get's mad at his mom. Anyway, Bush was a hilarious president.

It's so weird going through my Fat Wreck catalog.

Fun, obnoxious, loud and carefree 2002:
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/517jARFQ%2BrL.jpg

Bullsh!t political posturing 2003:
http://cps-static.rovicorp.com/3/JPG_400/MI0000/389/MI0000389310.jpg?partner=allrovi.com

Honest to god, what the hell happened!?

Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: mqg96 on 01/07/16 at 9:42 pm

Yeah, June 2004 felt very mid 2000's. You might be able to say summer 2003 was the last Y2K era summer but even then, it still had a bit of core 2000's culture creeping in.

I've never really been very interested in it. I've always preferred goofy cartoons like Looney Toons, Rocky and Bullwinkle, Beavis and Butthead, Johnny Bravo and Dexter's Laboratory. I liked Dragon Ball Z a lot, though. It's a hilarious show. Master Roshi is the best.

I was a huge fan of Looney Tunes and Duck Dodgers on Cartoon Network when I was little. 2003 is half early 2000's and half core 2000's, or transitional. Even though I consider spring and summer 2003 as the last part of the millennial, you could say there was core 2000's culture creeping in as early as January 2003 too, since that was the month That's So Raven premiered, the first major core 2000's cultural sitcom. More core 2000's cultural shows would premiere throughout the rest of 2003 & 2004.

Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: JordanK1982 on 01/07/16 at 9:51 pm

I was a huge fan of Looney Tunes and Duck Dodgers on Cartoon Network when I was little. 2003 is half early 2000's and half core 2000's, or transitional. Even though I consider spring and summer 2003 as the last part of the millennial, you could say there was core 2000's culture creeping in as early as January 2003 too, since that was the month That's So Raven premiered, the first major core 2000's cultural sitcom. More core 2000's cultural shows would premiere throughout the rest of 2003 & 2004.

I just realized you have Tweety Bird as your avatar. ;D I love all those shows and I still watch Looney Tunes whenever I get the chance. I'd only seen a clip of that show a few weeks ago to see if it felt more Y2K or real 2000's and from what I saw, it definitely felt more like something from the later part of the decade. Also, 50 Cent's In Da Club came out in January, too. I think 2003 leans a bit more on the Y2K side because there is a lot of stuff that came out that year that already felt dated by late 2004.

Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: SpyroKev on 01/08/16 at 9:11 am

I just realized you have Tweety Bird as your avatar. ;D I love all those shows and I still watch Looney Tunes whenever I get the chance. I'd only seen a clip of that show a few weeks ago to see if it felt more Y2K or real 2000's and from what I saw, it definitely felt more like something from the later part of the decade. Also, 50 Cent's In Da Club came out in January, too. I think 2003 leans a bit more on the Y2K side because there is a lot of stuff that came out that year that already felt dated by late 2004.

I agree with this. Most hits released in 2003 feel like a long time ago in 2004 now that I think about it. 2003 and 2004 have completely different sounds. All Falls Down by Kanye West is like the only song released in 2003 that didn't feel dated by 2004.

Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: JordanK1982 on 01/08/16 at 9:24 am

I agree with this. Most hits released in 2003 feel like a long time ago in 2004 now that I think about it. 2003 and 2004 have completely different sounds. All Falls Down by Kanye West is like the only song released in 2003 that didn't feel dated by 2004.

Yep, that song sounded pretty mid-00's. I'd add that Fall Out Boy song I posted above to that "songs that weren't outdated in 2004" list. Most music from 2003 fits in more with 1998-2002 than it does with 2004. Songs like Time Stands Still by the All American Rejects or Sympathy by the Goo Goo Dolls were released in 2003 as singles (from 2002 albums, though) and they wouldn't fit in very well with the mood and sounds of the mid-late 00's at all. On the other hand, songs like In Da Club or Get Low, despite being defining songs of the 00's, would fit in with both 1998-2002 and the mid 00's because (some) Hip Hop hadn't really changed it's sound drastically from 1997 until maybe 2008 or 2009.

Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: ArcticFox on 01/09/16 at 12:38 am

It depends on how you view it through technology. Let's use Mean Girls as our lab rat!*

Look at this picture:
http://cosmouk.cdnds.net/15/20/nrm_1431851423-aaron_samuels_in_mean_girls.jpg
It looks fairly old. His hairstyle is dated: no one is wearing that anymore. And the digital quality of the film looks kind of like a high-end college project instead of a true professionally-made film (movies from just four years earlier were using analog, hence why '90s movies had that "film feel" to it whereas aughts movies don't).

Now look at this one:
http://www.teenidols4you.com/blink/Actors/jonathan_bennett/TI4U_u1141487135.jpg
The quality is awful. When was this made, 1983? This pic inspired me to make this post, and when I first saw it I didn't even know it was Mean Girls. I actually thought it was a movie from the '80s for a few seconds! Then I recognized the guy's face..

I could make more examples, but they're pretty much the same type. If you look at a low-res picture or video from the early 2000's then it's going to look like something from the '80s. Looking at a hi-res version, it'll look dated but not alien like the '90s do. I guess 2003 has elements of both early and mid 2000's, but I consider it early aughts.

* It was released in 2004, filmed in 2003.

Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: bchris02 on 01/09/16 at 1:18 am

I agree with this. Most hits released in 2003 feel like a long time ago in 2004 now that I think about it. 2003 and 2004 have completely different sounds. All Falls Down by Kanye West is like the only song released in 2003 that didn't feel dated by 2004.

Agree with this. 2003 and 2004 had very different sounds. Even music from late 2003 sounded quite different from '04 except for a few songs.

Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: Zelek2 on 01/09/16 at 1:58 am

Got a question for the posters here: did you seriously know anyone who felt that 2003 was "dated" or "nostalgic" by 2007 or 2008? Were people saying "Hey, remember 2003 when late 90s things were still relevant? Ahh, Recess, Gundam Wing, Pokemon with Misty, no YouTube, dial-up was more popular than broadband, Tamagotchi, Hey Arnold, N64, etc. I miss the good ol' days of 4 years ago."?

I know it sounds silly, but considering how vastly the world jumped in that span of years, it's not out of the realm of possibility.

Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: Catherine91UK on 01/09/16 at 5:21 am

As a lot of people talk about school years, I think the 2002/3 school year could be described as early 00s, while the 2003/4 school year could be described as mid 00s.

Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: Toon on 01/09/16 at 7:14 am

Got a question for the posters here: did you seriously know anyone who felt that 2003 was "dated" or "nostalgic" by 2007 or 2008? Were people saying "Hey, remember 2003 when late 90s things were still relevant? Ahh, Recess, Gundam Wing, Pokemon with Misty, no YouTube, dial-up was more popular than broadband, Tamagotchi, Hey Arnold, N64, etc. I miss the good ol' days of 4 years ago."?

Nostalgia by 2007? I don't think so. Maybe dated I guess. Heh, I don't think anyone was saying "Hey, remember 2003 when late 90s things were still relevant? Ahh, Recess, Gundam Wing, Pokemon with Misty, no YouTube, dial-up was more popular than broadband, Tamagotchi, Hey Arnold, N64, etc. I miss the good ol' days of 4 years ago" (especially word for word). But I assume there were a few who probably saw some differences in trends in certain media. Also changes are gradual. Nowadays we can see how 2003 is different from 2007 or 2008 due to being in 2016. But in 2007-2008 the differences weren't noticeable yet due to changes being gradual. I don't think anyone in the 1990s said that 1997 was different from 1993 (nowadays we can say it is, but at the time no one could) or how 2017 may be different than 2013 (it's hard to say that now, but maybe in 2022 we'd be able to).

We can only really set 2 years from the same decades apart after looking back on them a few years after those 2 years has ended. At least this is what I think. Although I'm not an expert at comparing certain years mostly due to not being as knowledgeable as others. When looking back on 2003 to 2007 I can see some differences (such as clothing, tech etc), but back then I certainly couldn't. This is just my own answer. If you don't agree with what I've stated that's fine. Maybe the others can provide a better answer. ;)

I know it sounds silly, but considering how vastly the world jumped in that span of years, it's not out of the realm of possibility.
Hmm... funny to think that the early and late '00s have a lot of differences. People could just look at music, videos, fashion, images of the years 2000-2003 and compare them to 2007-2009. The differences are pretty noticeable (at least that's what I think). It's silly, but you do have a point on that one.

Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: JordanK1982 on 01/09/16 at 8:11 am

Got a question for the posters here: did you seriously know anyone who felt that 2003 was "dated" or "nostalgic" by 2007 or 2008? Were people saying "Hey, remember 2003 when late 90s things were still relevant? Ahh, Recess, Gundam Wing, Pokemon with Misty, no YouTube, dial-up was more popular than broadband, Tamagotchi, Hey Arnold, N64, etc. I miss the good ol' days of 4 years ago."?

I know it sounds silly, but considering how vastly the world jumped in that span of years, it's not out of the realm of possibility.

I've had the same opinion about the early 00's for about 11 years now (maybe 12?). I already felt 2000-2002 was dated as early as 2005 and it was clear we were in the (crappy) mid 00's. 2003 had a bit in common with both the early and mid years but I still thought it was a bit dated in 2007.

In 2003: that good ol' 1998 style Pop Punk that I like was still the in thing and kids in smaller local bands were still playing the 80's Screeching Weasel Pop Punk, Post-Grunge (not that Post-Post-Grunge Alt. Metal) was all over the place, Nu Metal was on it's last legs with Meteora, discmans, dial-up, kids still played their N64's and PS1's, Smash Mouth was still popular, the last year it was common to have Windows 98 and a big bulky white computer and to see them in stores, spiky-hair, Emo meant kids who looked like dorky college kids and who listened to real Emo bands like Jimmy Eat World, The Get Up Kids, Dashboard Confessional, Taking Back Sunday and Thrusday (each of which were all still good bands before 2004. 'Cept Jimmy Eat World. They turned sh!tty around 2007 but their live show is still really good), baggy dickies with chains/elbow shirts/spiky hair, we watched movies in the vein of Can't Hardly Wait/American Pie and jangly songs like Sympathy, Time Stands Still and Unwell were still a popular style, etc.

But in 2007 every band sounded like Fall Out Boy or bad Alt. Metal, Linkin Park released some awful album that is somehow worse than any Nu Metal they could release, we watched movies in the vein of White Chicks/Mean Girls, nobody touched their N64's and PS1's, style was bangs, v-necks and skinny jeans and Emo had been bastardized thanks to Hawthorne Heights, My Chemical Romance and the crappy newer Green Day.

Yes, I noticed the changes and I didn't like it. Still think 2003 wasn't as good as 2000-2002 anyway.

As a lot of people talk about school years, I think the 2002/3 school year could be described as early 00s, while the 2003/4 school year could be described as mid 00s.

The 2002 part of that school years still felt different compared to the 2003 part.

Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: 2001 on 01/09/16 at 10:34 am

Got a question for the posters here: did you seriously know anyone who felt that 2003 was "dated" or "nostalgic" by 2007 or 2008? Were people saying "Hey, remember 2003 when late 90s things were still relevant? Ahh, Recess, Gundam Wing, Pokemon with Misty, no YouTube, dial-up was more popular than broadband, Tamagotchi, Hey Arnold, N64, etc. I miss the good ol' days of 4 years ago."?

I know it sounds silly, but considering how vastly the world jumped in that span of years, it's not out of the realm of possibility.

People weren't nostalgic for the year itself but I remember Dragon Ball Z and N64 nostalgia being huge around then. The 7th gen came out, so 5th gen was officially "retro".

Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: Zelek2 on 01/09/16 at 1:08 pm

I don't think anyone says how 2017 may be different than 2013 (it's hard to say that now, but maybe in 2022 we'd be able to).

Well, I personally think that even 2011 feels rather distant from now. Social media wasn't quite as ubiquitous then as it is now, Donald Trump was a complete laughingstock politically (unlike now where's he gaining a bit more credence), hashtags weren't used that much in advertising, the Katy Perry/Lady Gaga "era" of music was still going on, and the "SJW" culture that people love to hate was virtually non-existant.

Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: Toon on 01/09/16 at 1:20 pm

It depends on how you view it through technology. Let's use Mean Girls as our lab rat!*

Look at this picture:
http://cosmouk.cdnds.net/15/20/nrm_1431851423-aaron_samuels_in_mean_girls.jpg
It looks fairly old. His hairstyle is dated: no one is wearing that anymore. And the digital quality of the film looks kind of like a high-end college project instead of a true professionally-made film (movies from just four years earlier were using analog, hence why '90s movies had that "film feel" to it whereas aughts movies don't).

Now look at this one:
http://www.teenidols4you.com/blink/Actors/jonathan_bennett/TI4U_u1141487135.jpg
The quality is awful. When was this made, 1983? This pic inspired me to make this post, and when I first saw it I didn't even know it was Mean Girls. I actually thought it was a movie from the '80s for a few seconds! Then I recognized the guy's face..

I could make more examples, but they're pretty much the same type. If you look at a low-res picture or video from the early 2000's then it's going to look like something from the '80s. Looking at a hi-res version, it'll look dated but not alien like the '90s do. I guess 2003 has elements of both early and mid 2000's, but I consider it early aughts.

* It was released in 2004, filmed in 2003.

Yeah, it can cause bit of a differences in terms of how one views it through technology. For example just go on youtube and look at a bunch of old commercials that were released back in the early 2000s. You'd find quite a bit of them that have pretty old quality. You can also look at other things like phones or computers.

Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: Zelek2 on 01/09/16 at 1:27 pm

I've had the same opinion about the early 00's for about 11 years now (maybe 12?). I already felt 2000-2002 was dated as early as 2005 and it was clear we were in the (crappy) mid 00's. 2003 had a bit in common with both the early and mid years but I still thought it was a bit dated in 2007.

In 2003: that good ol' 1998 style Pop Punk that I like was still the in thing and kids in smaller local bands were still playing the 80's Screeching Weasel Pop Punk, Post-Grunge (not that Post-Post-Grunge Alt. Metal) was all over the place, Nu Metal was on it's last legs with Meteora, discmans, dial-up, kids still played their N64's and PS1's, Smash Mouth was still popular, the last year it was common to have Windows 98 and a big bulky white computer and to see them in stores, spiky-hair, Emo meant kids who looked like dorky college kids and who listened to real Emo bands like Jimmy Eat World, The Get Up Kids, Dashboard Confessional, Taking Back Sunday and Thrusday (each of which were all still good bands before 2004. 'Cept Jimmy Eat World. They turned sh!tty around 2007 but their live show is still really good), baggy dickies with chains/elbow shirts/spiky hair, we watched movies in the vein of Can't Hardly Wait/American Pie and jangly songs like Sympathy, Time Stands Still and Unwell were still a popular style, etc.

But in 2007 every band sounded like Fall Out Boy or bad Alt. Metal, Linkin Park released some awful album that is somehow worse than any Nu Metal they could release, we watched movies in the vein of White Chicks/Mean Girls, nobody touched their N64's and PS1's, style was bangs, v-necks and skinny jeans and Emo had been bastardized thanks to Hawthorne Heights, My Chemical Romance and the crappy newer Green Day.

Yes, I noticed the changes and I didn't like it. Still think 2003 wasn't as good as 2000-2002 anyway.

The 2002 part of that school years still felt different compared to the 2003 part.

I know you hate most years after 2003, but I personally also liked 2004 and 2005.

Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: JordanK1982 on 01/09/16 at 1:39 pm

I know you hate most years after 2003, but I personally also liked 2004 and 2005.

And that's cool. I'm not saying that I felt the early 00's felt dated in 2005 just because I didn't like the mid-00's, it's just what I observed at the time. Even back then, I noticed most, if not all, the technology, fashions and trends of 2000, 2001 and 2002 were totally out the window by summer 2004 but some trends from 2003 (since this is a transitional year) stayed with us until the late 00's.

I was the dude buying all the current album releases starting way back to 1994 when I got into Green Day and The Offspring. 10 years later, I stopped buying stuff because the new style of music wasn't for me. Even the stuff on the radio that I didn't necessarily like (Nu Metal, Post-Grunge, jangly Pop Rock, Rnb etc.) was changing. Warped Tour 2005 was the last time I was ever really involved in any "Punk Rock" scene (if you can even call it that after 2004). I looked around and noticed that the kids with their swoop hair, skinny jeans and Fall Out Boy shirts outnumbered me and my spiky hair. From there on I knew that the next style of music wasn't for me. It's one of the things that made me realize how old and out of style 2000-2002 was. Those are the final years that feel ancient and totally alien from today, to me.

Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: 2001 on 01/09/16 at 3:04 pm

Well, I personally think that even 2011 feels rather distant from now. Social media wasn't quite as ubiquitous then as it is now, Donald Trump was a complete laughingstock politically (unlike now where's he gaining a bit more credence), hashtags weren't used that much in advertising, the Katy Perry/Lady Gaga "era" of music was still going on, and the "SJW" culture that people love to hate was virtually non-existant.

2011-12 university I remember being a huge time for political protest on campus. The Occupy Movement/G20 protests weren't that long ago. In Montréal 200,000 students demonstrated against increased tuition fees and I remember a lot of kids at my school busing to Montreal from Toronto to protest with them. There were also sizeable protests against rape culture, there were a lot of sexual assaults on campus that year though it didn't get really bad until 2012-2013.

Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: SpyroKev on 01/09/16 at 4:26 pm

BUMP! 8-P ;D

Here's a recap video of how 2003 was like pop culturally. It definitely explains why it's the cusp between early 2000's culture and core 2000's culture as a full year. I really enjoyed this year pop culturally looking far back.

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I watched Remember 1997, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004 by 47Cartoonguy, thepeterson and I was a bit blown away that Dragon Ball Z wasn't included besides the video game version. Let alone Toonami. I admit to watching majority of 47Cartoonguy's remembers so that should have something to do with it. A good handful of videos were inaccurate I seen so far through out the series but it wasn't that big a deal. Its just you can't help but to point them out.

Got a question for the posters here: did you seriously know anyone who felt that 2003 was "dated" or "nostalgic" by 2007 or 2008? Were people saying "Hey, remember 2003 when late 90s things were still relevant? Ahh, Recess, Gundam Wing, Pokemon with Misty, no YouTube, dial-up was more popular than broadband, Tamagotchi, Hey Arnold, N64, etc. I miss the good ol' days of 4 years ago."?

I know it sounds silly, but considering how vastly the world jumped in that span of years, it's not out of the realm of possibility.

Actually, someone I occasionally knew in high school said he had a great year in 2003 and the people I was with, we all agreed. This was 2006. That's as far as it go.

Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: ocarinafan96 on 01/09/16 at 8:09 pm

Yeah, it can cause bit of a differences in terms of how one views it through technology. For example just go on youtube and look at a bunch of old commercials that were released back in the early 2000s. You'd find quite a bit of them that have pretty old quality. You can also look at other things like phones or computers.

A perfect example of this are these commercials from the early 00's

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Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: JordanK1982 on 01/09/16 at 8:51 pm

A good handful of videos were inaccurate I seen so far through out the series but it wasn't that big a deal. Its just you can't help but to point them out.

I agree. He paints the wrong picture of the early 00's.

A perfect example of this are these commercials from the early 00's

Dell Guy

The Dell Guy defines the early 00's in every way. Spiky blonde hair and totally laid back. The fact that he still had commercials in 2003 says a lot to me.

2004 onward didn't have the same slacker dude culture.

http://en.bloguru.com/userdata/771/771/orig_201212111312170.jpg

Dell are idiots for getting rid of him. My favorite commercials are with this dude.

Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: JordanK1982 on 01/09/16 at 9:03 pm

This hairstyle was already becoming more and more popular in 2003.

http://www.teenidols4you.com/blink/Actors/jonathan_bennett/TI4U_u1141487135.jpg

I bet if Mean Girls was shot in 2002 and released in 2003, he'd probably look like the Dell Guy above. The plot would be much different too. It would involve much more sex and fart jokes. Maybe even Lindsay Lohan with a pie... or a cucumber or something. I don't know. It'd be more raunchy, though.

Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: Howard on 01/10/16 at 3:38 pm

Dell are idiots for getting rid of him. My favorite commercials are with this dude.

I liked this guy in the commercial.

Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: JordanK1982 on 01/10/16 at 3:48 pm

I liked this guy in the commercial.

He was the best and all of his commercials are hilarious! He represents the early 00's accurately.

Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: d90 on 01/25/16 at 12:27 am

imo I think of 2003 as the mid 2000s
1.The Gameboy Color the last 8bit handheld to have new 8 bit games and not just be a clone of something else was released in 2002.
2. 2000s music becomes more noticeable.
3. It was the begining of the end for VHS.
4. The Iraq War starts
5.Pokemon Ruby and Sapphire are released.

Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: JordanK1982 on 01/25/16 at 2:58 am

2003 still felt more 1998-2002 like than 2004-onward but it's vibe was different from both of those eras.

Let's see some 2003 things:
- Pop Punk albums like Foot in Mouth Disease, So Long Astoria, MFZB and Making the Grade (Y2K Era)
- Pop Punk albums like Take This to Your Grave, North and blink-182's self-titled (core 2000's)
- Green Day and My Chemical Romance head into the studio and start recording their 2000's defining albums (core 2000's)
- The filming of Mean Girls (core 2000's)
- 50 Cent and Lil Jon's breakthrough albums and the rise of Snap and Crunk rap (core 2000's)
- The fall of Nu Metal like Limp Bizkit (core 2000's)
- Nu Metal albums that sustained it's popularity like Meteora, Take a Look in the Mirror, Unstable and Faceless (Y2K era)
- Movies like School of Rock, American Wedding, Daredevil, Bruce Almighty, The Hulk and Return of the King (Y2K Era)
- Beginning of Myspace (core 2000's)
- In June 2003, DVD rentals overtake VHS (core 2000's)
- First year with no new N64 or Gameboy Color releases in NA (core 2000's)
- Second last year of PS1 new releases and last year of new Dreamcast releases (Y2K era)
- Notable Pop Punk labels such as Fat Wreck Chords abandon their fun and carefree image and go in a more serious bullsh!t political posturing direction (core 2000's)
- Windows 98 and ME being more popular than XP (Y2K era)
- Dial Up being bigger than Broadband (Y2K era)
- Powerhouse era year (Y2K era)
- TV Shows like Buffy, Dawson's Creek, Dexter's, Star Wars: The Clone Wars (original animated series), Spider-Man 2003, Johnny Bravo, Friends and Frasier (Y2K era)
- Last year that Ed, Edd and Eddy was traditionally animated (Y2K era)
- TV Shows like One Tree Hill, The O.C., Arrested Development (core 2000's)
- Fashion such as baggy dickies, 3/4 shorts, chain wallets, spiky hair and loose shirts and the general tomboy look still popular (Y2K era)
- Discman is much more popular than the iPod which is not even a blip on the radar. (Y2K era)
- Cassette tapes still popular, new releases being sold in this format and not yet being fazed out of stores. (Y2K era)

12 notable Y2K era things and 10 notable core 2000's things. Seems pretty even and very transitional while still leaning more on the Y2K side of things.

Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: Toon on 01/25/16 at 10:50 am

2003 still felt more 1998-2002 like than 2004-onward but it's vibe was different from both of those eras.

Let's see some 2003 things:
- Pop Punk albums like Foot in Mouth Disease, So Long Astoria, MFZB and Making the Grade (Y2K Era)
- Pop Punk albums like Take This to Your Grave, North and blink-182's self-titled (core 2000's)
- Green Day and My Chemical Romance head into the studio and start recording their 2000's defining albums (core 2000's)
- The filming of Mean Girls (core 2000's)
- 50 Cent and Lil Jon's breakthrough albums and the rise of Snap and Crunk rap (core 2000's)
- The fall of Nu Metal like Limp Bizkit (core 2000's)
- Nu Metal albums that sustained it's popularity like Meteora, Take a Look in the Mirror, Unstable and Faceless (Y2K era)
- Movies like School of Rock, American Wedding, Daredevil, Bruce Almighty, The Hulk and Return of the King (Y2K Era)
- Beginning of Myspace (core 2000's)
- In June 2003, DVD rentals overtake VHS (core 2000's)
- First year with no new N64 or Gameboy Color releases in NA (core 2000's)
- Second last year of PS1 new releases and last year of new Dreamcast releases (Y2K era)
- Notable Pop Punk labels such as Fat Wreck Chords abandon their fun and carefree image and go in a more serious bullsh!t political posturing direction (core 2000's)
- Windows 98 and ME being more popular than XP (Y2K era)
- Dial Up being bigger than Broadband (Y2K era)
- Powerhouse era year (Y2K era)
- TV Shows like Buffy, Dawson's Creek, Dexter's, Star Wars: The Clone Wars (original animated series), Spider-Man 2003, Johnny Bravo, Friends and Frasier (Y2K era)
- Last year that Ed, Edd and Eddy was traditionally animated (Y2K era)
- TV Shows like One Tree Hill, The O.C., Arrested Development (core 2000's)
- Fashion such as baggy dickies, 3/4 shorts, chain wallets, spiky hair and loose shirts and the general tomboy look still popular (Y2K era)
- Discman is much more popular than the iPod which is not even a blip on the radar. (Y2K era)
- Cassette tapes still popular, new releases being sold in this format and not yet being fazed out of stores. (Y2K era)

12 notable Y2K era things and 10 notable core 2000's things. Seems pretty even and very transitional while still leaning more on the Y2K side of things.

- Was part of the Web 1.0 era (Y2K era)
- Social Media wasn't as popular (Y2K era)
- In terms of kids and Cartoon Network it was still the Power House era (Y2K era)
- Nickelodeon was still in their silver age (Y2K era)
- Consoles such as the Nintendo 64 and Gameboy Color were still available in stores (Y2K era)
- Disney was still making 2D Traditional Animation (Y2K era)
- Toon Disney didn't have Jetix yet so all of their Disney Afternoon/One Saturday Morning shows was still on air (Y2K era)

When thinking about 2003 or before these are things that I see pop up from discussion. There was a lot about 2003 that made it similar to 2000-2002.

Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: mqg96 on 01/25/16 at 11:44 am

2003 still felt more 1998-2002 like than 2004-onward but it's vibe was different from both of those eras.

Let's see some 2003 things:
- Pop Punk albums like Foot in Mouth Disease, So Long Astoria, MFZB and Making the Grade (Y2K Era)
- Pop Punk albums like Take This to Your Grave, North and blink-182's self-titled (core 2000's)
- Green Day and My Chemical Romance head into the studio and start recording their 2000's defining albums (core 2000's)
- The filming of Mean Girls (core 2000's)
- 50 Cent and Lil Jon's breakthrough albums and the rise of Snap and Crunk rap (core 2000's)
- The fall of Nu Metal like Limp Bizkit (core 2000's)
- Nu Metal albums that sustained it's popularity like Meteora, Take a Look in the Mirror, Unstable and Faceless (Y2K era)
- Movies like School of Rock, American Wedding, Daredevil, Bruce Almighty, The Hulk and Return of the King (Y2K Era)
- Beginning of Myspace (core 2000's)
- In June 2003, DVD rentals overtake VHS (core 2000's)
- First year with no new N64 or Gameboy Color releases in NA (core 2000's)
- Second last year of PS1 new releases and last year of new Dreamcast releases (Y2K era)
- Notable Pop Punk labels such as Fat Wreck Chords abandon their fun and carefree image and go in a more serious bullsh!t political posturing direction (core 2000's)
- Windows 98 and ME being more popular than XP (Y2K era)
- Dial Up being bigger than Broadband (Y2K era)
- Powerhouse era year (Y2K era)
- TV Shows like Buffy, Dawson's Creek, Dexter's, Star Wars: The Clone Wars (original animated series), Spider-Man 2003, Johnny Bravo, Friends and Frasier (Y2K era)
- Last year that Ed, Edd and Eddy was traditionally animated (Y2K era)
- TV Shows like One Tree Hill, The O.C., Arrested Development (core 2000's)
- Fashion such as baggy dickies, 3/4 shorts, chain wallets, spiky hair and loose shirts and the general tomboy look still popular (Y2K era)
- Discman is much more popular than the iPod which is not even a blip on the radar. (Y2K era)
- Cassette tapes still popular, new releases being sold in this format and not yet being fazed out of stores. (Y2K era)

12 notable Y2K era things and 10 notable core 2000's things. Seems pretty even and very transitional while still leaning more on the Y2K side of things.

- Was part of the Web 1.0 era (Y2K era)
- Social Media wasn't as popular (Y2K era)
- In terms of kids and Cartoon Network it was still the Power House era (Y2K era)
- Nickelodeon was still in their silver age (Y2K era)
- Consoles such as the Nintendo 64 and Gameboy Color were still available in stores (Y2K era)
- Disney was still making 2D Traditional Animation (Y2K era)
- Toon Disney didn't have Jetix yet so all of their Disney Afternoon/One Saturday Morning shows was still on air (Y2K era)

When thinking about 2003 or before these are things that I see pop up from discussion. There was a lot about 2003 that made it similar to 2000-2002.

Mario Kart Double Dash and Crash Nitro Kart were released which were the quintessential 2000's kart racing games (core 2000's) sequels to Mario Kart 64 and Crash Team Racing which were Y2K.

That's So Raven (core 2000's)

Last season of 1st generation Pokemon TV series in the U.S. (Y2K)

Toonami still on weekdays (Y2K)

Michael Jordan leaves the NBA (core 2000's)

Damn I love this, credit to Jordan and Toon! I'm saving this for future conversations and debates. This ultimately shows right here that 2003 was the transitional year between early 2000's culture and core 2000's culture. 2003 may have been numerically mid 2000's for most of the year, but culturally it was still mostly early 2000's. This proves it all.

Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: JordanK1982 on 01/25/16 at 12:24 pm

When thinking about 2003 or before these are things that I see pop up from discussion. There was a lot about 2003 that made it similar to 2000-2002.

Yeah, it does. Your's and mqg's list combined with mine, you'll see a lot more notable Y2K era things than core 2000's things but at the same time it has a strong core 2000's presence that didn't even exist in 2000-2002.

Damn I love this, credit to Jordan and Toon! I'm saving this for future conversations and debates. This ultimately shows right here that 2003 was the transitional year between early 2000's culture and core 2000's culture. 2003 may have been numerically mid 2000's for most of the year, but culturally it was still mostly early 2000's. This proves it all.

Thanks, man! It basically lines up with my viewpoint, too. 2003 was different from the other years with it being a transition and all but it's actually pretty even and leans towards the Y2K era than the core 2000's. It's like, for example, you see how I mention Myspace. That's pretty core 2000's, yet Toon mentions how social media still wasn't very popular and we were still in the Web 1.0 era. That screams transition to me and it shows the dominant culture. Same with stuff like the N64 and Color still being in stores and the style and popularity of Nu Metal and Pop Punk. You see how there was stuff more reminiscent of the core 2000's but it was mostly stuff relating to the Y2K era.

Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: Toon on 01/25/16 at 1:46 pm

Yeah, it does. Your's and mqg's list combined with mine, you'll see a lot more notable Y2K era things than core 2000's things but at the same time it has a strong core 2000's presence that didn't even exist in 2000-2002.

Thanks, man! It basically lines up with my viewpoint, too. 2003 was different from the other years with it being a transition and all but it's actually pretty even and leans towards the Y2K era than the core 2000's. It's like, for example, you see how I mention Myspace. That's pretty core 2000's, yet Toon mentions how social media still wasn't very popular and we were still in the Web 1.0 era. That screams transition to me and it shows the dominant culture. Same with stuff like the N64 and Color still being in stores and the style and popularity of Nu Metal and Pop Punk. You see how there was stuff more reminiscent of the core 2000's but it was mostly stuff relating to the Y2K era.

Pretty much. 2003 has a lot of things that would define the core 2000s, but it has even larger amount of things that define the early 2000s. It really is a transitional year as both JordanK1982 and mqg96 have stated. If a lot of Y2K era things ended in 2002 then I'd see 2003 as a core 2000s year, but that's not the case. A lot of Y2K era things went on into 2003 (and even a few lasted to 2004), but we can also see the start of a lot of core 2000s things. The kicker is that a lot of core 2000s things that began in 2003 were still in their infancy and would reach high levels of popularity by 2004 or 2005. 2003 can be seen as the textbook definition of transitional alright. But overall it leaned more towards 2000-2002 era than the 2004-2007 era. A person could do the things he/she did in 1998-2002 in the year 2003 yet no one would mind as 1998-2002 were still seen as pretty recent years by 2003.

Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: JordanK1982 on 01/25/16 at 2:03 pm

Pretty much. 2003 has a lot of things that would define the core 2000s, but it has even larger amount of things that define the early 2000s. It really is a transitional year as both JordanK1982 and mqg96 have stated. If a lot of Y2K era things ended in 2002 then I'd see 2003 as a core 2000s year, but that's not the case. A lot of Y2K era things went on into 2003 (and even a few lasted to 2004), but we can also see the start of a lot of core 2000s things. The kicker is that a lot of core 2000s things that began in 2003 were still in their infancy and would reach high levels of popularity by 2004 or 2005. 2003 can be seen as the textbook definition of transitional alright. But overall it leaned more towards 2000-2002 era than the 2004-2007 era. A person could do the things he/she did in 1998-2002 in the year 2003 yet no one would mind as 1998-2002 were still seen as pretty recent years by 2003.

Yeah, these things really were in their infancy. If the transition started in 2002 then 2003 would definitely be a core 2000's year but instead 2002 is 100% core Y2K and the transition started in 2003. You could dress the same way, use the same technology and listen to the same music as you were in 1998-2002 and not seem out of place at all in 2003 whereas even in a year as recent as 2004, doing these things would soon be very much out of style (especially by summer 2004) and there is no doubt that by 2005 you'd be seen as someone way behind the times. Could you imagine Nu Metal in 2005? I can't at all. I can for 2003 because it was still in style. At the same time, 2003 was the start of the faux-Myspace Emo, though, it was in it's infancy. I can not imagine that look ever being super popular in 1998-2002 because it would not fit at all. Very transitional times here.

Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: mxcrashxm on 01/25/16 at 2:12 pm

Mario Kart Double Dash and Crash Nitro Kart were released which were the quintessential 2000's kart racing games (core 2000's) sequels to Mario Kart 64 and Crash Team Racing which were Y2K.

That's So Raven (core 2000's)

Last season of 1st generation Pokemon TV series in the U.S. (Y2K)

Toonami still on weekdays (Y2K)

Michael Jordan leaves the NBA (core 2000's)

Damn I love this, credit to Jordan and Toon! I'm saving this for future conversations and debates. This ultimately shows right here that 2003 was the transitional year between early 2000's culture and core 2000's culture. 2003 may have been numerically mid 2000's for most of the year, but culturally it was still mostly early 2000's. This proves it all.

- Was part of the Web 1.0 era (Y2K era)
- Social Media wasn't as popular (Y2K era)
- In terms of kids and Cartoon Network it was still the Power House era (Y2K era)
- Nickelodeon was still in their silver age (Y2K era)
- Consoles such as the Nintendo 64 and Gameboy Color were still available in stores (Y2K era)
- Disney was still making 2D Traditional Animation (Y2K era)
- Toon Disney didn't have Jetix yet so all of their Disney Afternoon/One Saturday Morning shows was still on air (Y2K era)

When thinking about 2003 or before these are things that I see pop up from discussion. There was a lot about 2003 that made it similar to 2000-2002.

2003 still felt more 1998-2002 like than 2004-onward but it's vibe was different from both of those eras.

Let's see some 2003 things:
- Pop Punk albums like Foot in Mouth Disease, So Long Astoria, MFZB and Making the Grade (Y2K Era)
- Pop Punk albums like Take This to Your Grave, North and blink-182's self-titled (core 2000's)
- Green Day and My Chemical Romance head into the studio and start recording their 2000's defining albums (core 2000's)
- The filming of Mean Girls (core 2000's)
- 50 Cent and Lil Jon's breakthrough albums and the rise of Snap and Crunk rap (core 2000's)
- The fall of Nu Metal like Limp Bizkit (core 2000's)
- Nu Metal albums that sustained it's popularity like Meteora, Take a Look in the Mirror, Unstable and Faceless (Y2K era)
- Movies like School of Rock, American Wedding, Daredevil, Bruce Almighty, The Hulk and Return of the King (Y2K Era)
- Beginning of Myspace (core 2000's)
- In June 2003, DVD rentals overtake VHS (core 2000's)
- First year with no new N64 or Gameboy Color releases in NA (core 2000's)
- Second last year of PS1 new releases and last year of new Dreamcast releases (Y2K era)
- Notable Pop Punk labels such as Fat Wreck Chords abandon their fun and carefree image and go in a more serious bullsh!t political posturing direction (core 2000's)
- Windows 98 and ME being more popular than XP (Y2K era)
- Dial Up being bigger than Broadband (Y2K era)
- Powerhouse era year (Y2K era)
- TV Shows like Buffy, Dawson's Creek, Dexter's, Star Wars: The Clone Wars (original animated series), Spider-Man 2003, Johnny Bravo, Friends and Frasier (Y2K era)
- Last year that Ed, Edd and Eddy was traditionally animated (Y2K era)
- TV Shows like One Tree Hill, The O.C., Arrested Development (core 2000's)
- Fashion such as baggy dickies, 3/4 shorts, chain wallets, spiky hair and loose shirts and the general tomboy look still popular (Y2K era)
- Discman is much more popular than the iPod which is not even a blip on the radar. (Y2K era)
- Cassette tapes still popular, new releases being sold in this format and not yet being fazed out of stores. (Y2K era)

12 notable Y2K era things and 10 notable core 2000's things. Seems pretty even and very transitional while still leaning more on the Y2K side of things.

Everything you guys listed regarding 2003 clearly shows it was more early 00s than the middle. I remember everything that was mentioned. Other factors that were not stated are the fashion, other types of music and the attitude.

For the fashion, much of it were still being worn such as baggy clothing, spiked/bleached hair, platform flip-flops and certain women's short hair styles. As for the music, R&B, Hip-hop and pop music generally still had early 00s artists and elements. Now for the attitude, it was very much bright and less dark. I don't remember seeing much Emo during that year.

Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: JordanK1982 on 01/25/16 at 2:20 pm

Everything you guys listed regarding 2003 clearly shows it was more early 00s than the middle. I remember everything that was mentioned. Other factors that were not stated are the fashion, other types of music and the attitude.

For the fashion, much of it were still being worn such as baggy clothing, spiked/bleached hair, platform flip-flops and certain women's short hair styles. As for the music, R&B, Hip-hop and pop music generally still had early 00s artists and elements. Now for the attitude, it was very much bright and less dark. I don't remember seeing much Emo during that year.

I remember 2003 being slightly darker.

Here's a small example:

Here's a compilation album from an iconic pop punk label in 2001:
http://cps-static.rovicorp.com/3/JPG_400/MI0002/914/MI0002914760.jpg?partner=allrovi.com

Same label, the next installment in 2002:
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/71AtyBs4O2L._SY355_.jpg

2003, they ditch the carefree and cartoony attitude and go in a more serious direction:
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61FQe7VCptL._SX425_.jpg

As for Emo in 2003, Emo was mostly the real stuff like Jimmy Eat World and Dashboard Confessional but the releases of Fall Out Boy's debut and blink-182's untitled album is when I pinpoint the time when Pop Punk and Emo ditched their 1998 style and the real 2000's style began.

Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: Toon on 01/25/16 at 2:27 pm

Yeah, these things really were in their infancy. If the transition started in 2002 then 2003 would definitely be a core 2000's year but instead 2002 is 100% core Y2K and the transition started in 2003. You could dress the same way, use the same technology and listen to the same music as you were in 1998-2002 and not seem out of place at all in 2003 whereas even in a year as recent as 2004, doing these things would soon be very much out of style (especially by summer 2004) and there is no doubt that by 2005 you'd be seen as someone way behind the times. Could you imagine Nu Metal in 2005? I can't at all. I can for 2003 because it was still in style. At the same time, 2003 was the start of the faux-Myspace Emo, though, it was in it's infancy. I can not imagine that look ever being super popular in 1998-2002 because it would not fit at all. Very transitional times here.

Nu-Metal fashion in 2005 sounds pretty out of place now that I think about it. I rememeber reading somewhere that Nu-Metal lost it's popularity in the mid 2000s (probably was wikipedia I think). What's interesting is that wikipedia also states that Nu-Metal's got into mainstream popularity between the late 1990s and early 2000s with the start of the popularity being in 1998 which is where the millennium culture also began. As it states..

1998 is generally recognized as the year when nu metal broke into the mainstream with Korn's third album, Follow the Leader, which peaked at number 1 on the Billboard 200, became a multi-platinum hit, and paved the way for other nu metal bands.

Technology was also something to take into consideration. By 2003 people were still using the same devices they used in 2000-2002. Now 2003 was also the year DVD had taken over the VHS' spotlight, but the thing is even though DVD had beaten VHS I seriously doubt a lot of us threw out our VCRs/VHSs because of it. In 2003 even though DVD was the new king it was still normal to walk into someone's home and see a VCR alongside a bunch of VHS tapes. I think in 2003 dial up was being overtaken by broadband (i'm not sure if this is 100% correct as I can't remember clearly), but you still had tons of people who'd still use dial up or still lacked internet overall.

Update! Turns out Dial up didn't get overtaken by Broadband until 2005.
http://www.pewinternet.org/files/old-media/2CB1C2C9FDFD48678F5BFDE1A39785D7.jpg
What's funny is that even when Broadband overtook Dial up the percentages between them wasn't that great. By 2005 we still had tons of people with slow internet.

I'm not the most knowledgeable on things like fashion so maybe someone else could help me out there.

Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: mxcrashxm on 01/25/16 at 2:31 pm

I remember 2003 being slightly darker.

Here's a small example:

Here's a compilation album from an iconic pop punk label in 2001:
http://cps-static.rovicorp.com/3/JPG_400/MI0002/914/MI0002914760.jpg?partner=allrovi.com

Same label, the next installment in 2002:
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/71AtyBs4O2L._SY355_.jpg

2003, they ditch the carefree and cartoony attitude and go in a more serious direction:
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61FQe7VCptL._SX425_.jpg

As for Emo in 2003, Emo was mostly the real stuff like Jimmy Eat World and Dashboard Confessional but the releases of Fall Out Boy's debut and blink-182's untitled album is when I pinpoint the time when Pop Punk and Emo ditched their 1998 style and the real 2000's style began.
I can see it that way. There's definitely a difference between real emo and fake emo.

Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: Toon on 01/25/16 at 2:31 pm

I remember 2003 being slightly darker.

Here's a small example:

Here's a compilation album from an iconic pop punk label in 2001:
http://cps-static.rovicorp.com/3/JPG_400/MI0002/914/MI0002914760.jpg?partner=allrovi.com

Same label, the next installment in 2002:
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/71AtyBs4O2L._SY355_.jpg

2003, they ditch the carefree and cartoony attitude and go in a more serious direction:
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61FQe7VCptL._SX425_.jpg

As for Emo in 2003, Emo was mostly the real stuff like Jimmy Eat World and Dashboard Confessional but the releases of Fall Out Boy's debut and blink-182's untitled album is when I pinpoint the time when Pop Punk and Emo ditched their 1998 style and the real 2000's style began.

Errr... what the heck just happened? Why did they change their tone in 2003? It's so weird how the 2002 and 2003 versions just clash in their overall style and tone. 1 minute you got a cartoony/carefree tone. And then the next minute it's all serious and somewhat dark. :-\\

Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: Zelek2 on 01/25/16 at 2:39 pm

For some reason, a lot of people on Facebook, Buzzfeed, YouTube, etc. consider 2000-2005 to be "early 2000s". I dunno why, maybe they just want to pretend that era lasted longer than it did?

Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: JordanK1982 on 01/25/16 at 2:41 pm

Nu-Metal fashion in 2005 sounds pretty out of place now that I think about it. I rememeber reading somewhere that Nu-Metal lost it's popularity in the mid 2000s (probably was wikipedia I think). What's interesting is that wikipedia also states that Nu-Metal's got into mainstream popularity between the late 1990s and early 2000s with the start of the popularity being in 1998 which is where the millennium culture also began. As it states..

Yeah, Nu Metal's peak was definitely from 1998 to 2003. By 2004, it was done and no longer the cool thing to listen to anymore.

Technology was also something to take into consideration. By 2003 people were still using the same devices they used in 2000-2002. Now 2003 was also the year DVD had taken over the VHS' spotlight, but the thing is even though DVD had beaten VHS I seriously doubt a lot of us threw out our VCRs/VHSs because of it. In 2003 even though DVD was the new king it was still normal to walk into someone's home and see a VCR alongside a bunch of VHS tapes. I think in 2003 dial up was being overtaken by broadband (i'm not sure if this is 100% correct as I can't remember clearly), but you still had tons of people who'd still use dial up or still lacked internet overall.

Yeah, this is true. 2003 is the only time I can think of where both DVD and VHS were pretty much at equal footing for at least some part of the year whereas in 1998-2002 VHS was dominant and 2004 onward DVD was the main format. Speaking of the internet, in 2003 it was not uncommon to see big bulky white computer that ran either 98 or ME. I don't remember 98 being in stores after 2002 but I do remember seeing new ME computers up until the end of 2003. This is around the time XP really started to take over but I would pinpoint that more in 2004. That's just like that chart you posted for the iPod! Even though it was rising in 2004, it really wasn't dominant until 2005!

I'm not the most knowledgeable on things like fashion so maybe someone else could help me out there.

Here a good photo of 2003 fashion:
http://www.conexaosimpleplan.com/br/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/0110.jpg

http://i.skyrock.net/4962/12844962/pics/315314630_small.jpg

These photos look insanely old like something from 1995! This would be so out of place in 2005! Pretty typical 1998-2002 Pop Punk fashion.

I can see it that way. There's definitely a difference between real emo and fake emo.

Yeah and 2003 is the only year when those two styles really both co-existed.

Errr... what the heck just happened? Why did they change their tone in 2003? It's so weird how the 2002 and 2003 versions just clash in their overall style and tone. 1 minute you got a cartoony/carefree tone. And then the next minute it's all serious and somewhat dark. :-\\

Isn't it? Even in 2003, I thought it was so weird! They ditched the Fat Music name and started doing benefits for Peta and crap.

This trend continued into the mid 2000's:

I guess these are some what cartoony but the focus is very political and serious. From 2004:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/66/Rock_Against_Bush,_Vol._1.jpg
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/b5/Rock_Against_Bush,_Vol._2.jpg

2005:
https://punkandpolitics.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/protectcd.jpg

Exact same label as the one from 2001 and 2002.

Compare that to 1999:
http://cps-static.rovicorp.com/3/JPG_400/MI0002/229/MI0002229927.jpg?partner=allrovi.com

2001 and 2002 fit this vibe like a glove. 2003-2005 feel completely alien to this.

For some reason, a lot of people on Facebook, Buzzfeed, YouTube, etc. consider 2000-2005 to be "early 2000s". I dunno why, maybe they just want to pretend that era lasted longer than it did?

That makes no sense. 2004 and 2005 are clearly parts of the real 2000's. I don't see how the pictures and comparisons from the mid 2000's I've posted above are early 2000's in any sense. There is a huge and very clear difference between the two eras. Mistaking late 2000's things for mid 2000's makes more sense.

Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: Toon on 01/25/16 at 2:46 pm

For some reason, a lot of people on Facebook, Buzzfeed, YouTube, etc. consider 2000-2005 to be "early 2000s". I dunno why, maybe they just want to pretend that era lasted longer than it did?

Hey we all wish the 1998-2003 era lasted longer (hell if it lasted just an extra 2-3 years I'd be happy. That way instead of being 1998-2003 it'll be 1998-2006). But yeah I don't see how the culture from the early 2000s would've lasted up to 2005. By 2005 a lot of core 2000s trends/fads were already in place.

Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: Zelek2 on 01/25/16 at 3:00 pm

I think it's because some early 2000s shows (Malcolm in the Middle, Charmed, That 70s Show, West Wing) lasted up until 2006.

Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: mqg96 on 01/25/16 at 3:01 pm

For some reason, a lot of people on Facebook, Buzzfeed, YouTube, etc. consider 2000-2005 to be "early 2000s". I dunno why, maybe they just want to pretend that era lasted longer than it did?

I notice it's mainly teenagers who's lumping the early 2000's with a couple of mid 2000's years. I'm being real serious here, and half of them were too young to gasp on the early 2000's culture.

Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: mqg96 on 01/25/16 at 3:02 pm

I think it's because some early 2000s shows (Malcolm in the Middle, Charmed, That 70s Show, West Wing) lasted up until 2006.

A better term to use is that there were still some early 2000's influences in 2004 & 2005, like stuff that debuted in the early 2000's still being around, but not the real early 2000's cultural period though, by then it was clearly mid 2000's.

Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: JordanK1982 on 01/25/16 at 3:05 pm

I think it's because some early 2000s shows (Malcolm in the Middle, Charmed, That 70s Show, West Wing) lasted up until 2006.

I guess that kinda makes sense but Malcolm in the Middle is the only show that really stayed stuck in the Y2K era. I could even argue that the 2004-2006 episodes are just Y2K era nostalgia (that happened very early) if I wanted to! A lot of shows went through changes as 2004-2006 came along either the characters styles and fashions, personalities and the technology used behind and scenes or even on screen (e.g. if you see a character using a computer). I remember in Malcolm in the Middle they still had spiked hair and played their Game Boy Colors in the 2005 episodes with Ska Punk on the soundtrack. That is not a good representation of 2005 in real life whatsoever.

Everything else had already gone through major changes in 2004.

This was not the in look in 2000-2003 as it was in 2004-2007. It hardly even existed back then, if at all:
http://muslib.ru/pb/1/11268/from-first-to-last_1826994.jpg

Look at this 2003 photo. Once again it looks so much more dated and more like something from the 20th century than the 2004 photo which was only a year later:
http://www.entertainmentwallpaper.com/images/desktops/celebrity/simple-plan05.jpg

Just think about how short that time span was. It's insane!

Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: Toon on 01/25/16 at 3:09 pm

Yeah, Nu Metal's peak was definitely from 1998 to 2003. By 2004, it was done and no longer the cool thing to listen to anymore.
Again I must ask on why it's popularity and anything that relates to the millennium era had such as a short span in popularity. Things would rise in the early-mid '90s. Get popular for the 5-6 years from 1998-2003. And then decline by 2004 onward. I don't get this!

Yeah, this is true. 2003 is the only time I can think of where both DVD and VHS were pretty much at equal footing for at least some part of the year whereas in 1998-2002 VHS was dominant and 2004 onward DVD was the main format. Speaking of the internet, in 2003 it was not uncommon to see big bulky white computer that ran either 98 or ME. I don't remember 98 being in stores after 2002 but I do remember seeing new ME computers up until the end of 2003. This is around the time XP really started to take over but I would pinpoint that more in 2004. That's just like that chart you posted for the iPod! Even though it was rising in 2004, it really wasn't dominant until 2005!

In 2003 bulky white computers were all I ever seen. Heck even in 2004-2005 I saw quite a lot of bulky computers. But in 2003 it was just like 2002 or before where it was all that I'd ever see whether it was in schools, homes, or local libraries. Same goes for say TVs where everyone was still using 480i CRT tvs as HD didn't become the standard until the later part of the 2000s. Also yeah In I don't remember seeing windows 98 computers after 2002, but I do remember seeing windows 2000 and ME up to around 2003. I actually didn't start seeing XP computers until mid 2004. And yeah devices that even started in the early 2000s such as the Ipod didn't even become popular and a part of the everyday culture until 2005 which was when the core 2000s was in place.

Here a good photo of 2003 fashion:
http://www.conexaosimpleplan.com/br/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/0110.jpg

http://i.skyrock.net/4962/12844962/pics/315314630_small.jpg

These photos look insanely old like something from 1995! This would be so out of place in 2005! Pretty typical 1998-2002 Pop Punk fashion.

Ah, ok so the fashion was largely the same. Yep! Pretty typical 1998-2002 fashion right there.

Isn't it? Even in 2003, I thought it was so weird! They ditched the Fat Music name and started doing benefits for Peta and crap.

This trend continued into the mid 2000's:

I guess these are some what cartoony but the focus is very political and serious. From 2004:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/66/Rock_Against_Bush,_Vol._1.jpg
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/b5/Rock_Against_Bush,_Vol._2.jpg

2005:
https://punkandpolitics.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/protectcd.jpg

Exact same label as the one from 2001 and 2002.

Compare that to 1999:
http://cps-static.rovicorp.com/3/JPG_400/MI0002/229/MI0002229927.jpg?partner=allrovi.com

2001 and 2002 fit this vibe like a glove. 2003-2005 feel completely alien to this.

Oh god! Yep! I can see the differences. And it's easy to see which songs are from which era by just looking at them. I liked the carefree songs a bit better. Mostly since it gives all that feeling that the singers were really just having fun and being wacky when playing the music. From 2004 onward it's like they feel the need to make things all "serious" and had a political touch in there. One thing I've learned is that there is nothing cartoony, extreme, fun, wacky, colorful,and carefree about political related things.

Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: Toon on 01/25/16 at 3:16 pm

When it comes to shows sitcoms such Malcom in the Middle it's always funny to watch them and see how they're a product of their time. For example take Malcom in the Middle and compare that to shows such as iCarly (hell their is even the "i" in the name which lets you know that it's pretty much full of late '00s culture). Other example like Drake and Josh which aired in 2004 are somewhere in the middle. But a lot of things you'd see in the show is from the core '00s.

Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: Zelek2 on 01/25/16 at 3:19 pm

I could even argue that the 2004-2006 episodes are just Y2K era nostalgia (that happened very early) if I wanted to!
The thing I noticed about the mid-late 2000s is that even though the 80s were what people got nostalgic for mostly then, some of the early-mid 90s also "seeped" into the nostalgia.

For example, people were calling Adventures of Pete & Pete and Legends of the Hidden Temple "old Nickelodeon shows", Sega Genesis and SNES games were on Wii's Virtual Console, and The Fresh Prince of Bel-Air and Family Matters were old enough to rerun on Nick at Nite. However, if someone said "Nintendo 64 and Pokemon were my childhood!" around that time, then someone else probably would've responded with "Those are too new, are you a little kid or something?", despite the late 90s only being a few years apart from the mid-90s.

It's the same with the early-mid 2000s vs. late 2000s today. I've heard a lot of people say "Man, Finding Nemo was my childhood, can't wait for the new movie to come out!", but if someone said "Wizards of Waverly place is such a nostalgic show", they would probably be mocked, even though those things are only four years apart.

With the "nostalgia cycle", I've noticed that 15-20 years ago is the "main" attraction, 10-15 years ago is acceptable to an extent, and anything under that is seen as too new.

Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: Toon on 01/25/16 at 3:21 pm

I notice it's mainly teenagers who's lumping the early 2000's with a couple of mid 2000's years. I'm being real serious here, and half of them were too young to gasp on the early 2000's culture.

Yeah it's mostly those who weren't kids, teens, or adults when the early 2000s came and went. Heck I remember looking at some music vids from 2003 on youtube and in the comments you'll see people who say they're born in 2001-2003 and which they could go back to the early '00s or talk about how every good thing about the early '00s didn't end until say 2005-6. I have nothing against early 00's born, but saying the early '00s culture ended in 2005-2006 is odd as that wasn't the case.

Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: Baltimoreian on 01/25/16 at 3:22 pm

Update! Turns out Dial up didn't get overtaken by Broadband until 2005.
http://www.pewinternet.org/files/old-media/2CB1C2C9FDFD48678F5BFDE1A39785D7.jpg
What's funny is that even when Broadband overtook Dial up the percentages between them wasn't that great. By 2005 we still had tons of people with slow internet.

I'm not the most knowledgeable on things like fashion so maybe someone else could help me out there.

Wow, I'm surprised a lot of people still used dial-up until the late 2000s (2009 is where it lead to single-digits).

Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: Toon on 01/25/16 at 3:23 pm

The thing I noticed about the mid-late 2000s is that even though the 80s were what people got nostalgic for mostly then, some of the early-mid 90s also "seeped" into the nostalgia.

For example, people were calling Adventures of Pete & Pete and Legends of the Hidden Temple "old Nickelodeon shows", Sega Genesis and SNES games were on Wii's Virtual Console, and The Fresh Prince of Bel-Air and Family Matters were old enough to rerun on Nick at Nite. However, if someone said "Nintendo 64 and Pokemon were my childhood!" around that time, then someone else probably would've responded with "Those are too new, are you a little kid or something?", despite the late 90s only being a few years apart from the mid-90s.

It's the same with the early-mid 2000s today. I've heard a lot of people say "Man, Finding Nemo was my childhood, can't wait for the new movie to come out!", but if someone said "Wizards of Waverly place is such a nostalgic show", they would probably be mocked, even though those things are only four years apart.

With the "nostalgia cycle", I've noticed that 15-20 years ago is the "main" attraction, 10-15 years ago is acceptable to an extent, and anything under that is seen as too new.

When it comes to nostalgia I'm okay with anything from 10-20 years ago. Anything under that is less than a decade old and isn't old enough to me. For example people are getting nostalgic for consoles such as the PS2 or Gamecube both of which released 15-16 years ago as of 2016. Or even TV shows like Chalkzone and Invader Zim which aired 14-15 years ago. The world was pretty different back then as the culture was very distant from what it is today.

Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: Toon on 01/25/16 at 3:25 pm

Wow, I'm surprised a lot of people still used dial-up until the late 2000s (2009 is where it lead to single-digits, IIRC).

Yeah we still have people using Dial Up today even (although it's now a very tiny percentage). Last time Dial up was dominate was 2004 or before. But it can still be seen to be of use in certain places of the world.

Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: JordanK1982 on 01/25/16 at 3:27 pm

Again I must ask on why it's popularity and anything that relates to the millennium era had such as a short span in popularity. Things would rise in the early-mid '90s. Get popular for the 5-6 years from 1998-2003. And then decline by 2004 onward. I don't get this!

It's just so weird. Even things from the mid 90's lasted until the Y2K era like Pop Punk (there's even a lot of 1996 sounding Pop Punk from 2000-2002) and Nu Metal (though, both genres would become more Y2K sounding in 1996-1997 but even then, that sound is more comparable to the mid 90's sound than the mid 2000's sound) and just died in 2004! Even TV Shows. There's a ton of shows that started in 2000-2003 that all ended in 2003 or 2004! Just like that!

In 2003 bulky white computers were all I ever seen. Heck even in 2004-2005 I saw quite a lot of bulky computers. But in 2003 it was just like 2002 or before where it was all that I'd ever see whether it was in schools, homes, or local libraries. Same goes for say TVs where everyone was still using 480i CRT tvs as HD didn't become the standard until the later part of the 2000s. Also yeah In I don't remember seeing windows 98 computers after 2002, but I do remember seeing windows 2000 and ME up to around 2003. I actually didn't start seeing XP computers until mid 2004. And yeah devices that even started in the early 2000s such as the Ipod didn't even become popular and a part of the everyday culture until 2005 which was when the core 2000s was in place.

Yeah, pretty much the same for me. Flat Panel TV and Computer screens have been around since 1997-ish but they were very much a rarity. Your experience is pretty much just like mine. It was until sometime during spring 2004 that I saw more and more XP computers as all the ME computers got completely fazed out of stores. Hell, even the iPod went through changes when in 2004 they added the USB capabilities. The USB iPod is such a core 2000's thing that it just couldn't make it in the early 00's.

Ah, ok so the fashion was largely the same. Yep! Pretty typical 1998-2002 fashion right there.

Most definitely. This style was already so out of place in 2005.

Oh god! Yep! I can see the differences. And it's easy to see which songs are from which era by just looking at them. I liked the carefree songs a bit better. Mostly since it gives all that feeling that the singers were really just having fun and being wacky when playing the music. From 2004 onward it's like they feel the need to make things all "serious" and had a political touch in there. One thing I've learned is that there is nothing cartoony, extreme, fun, wacky, colorful,and carefree about political related things.

Me, too. The carefree songs were much more fun to listen to as it wasn't just a bunch of self-righteous dudes trying to shove their uninformed political opinions down your throat. All the cartoony albums I posted have fun Pop Punk songs with good catchy melodies you can skate too. The later stuff was all melodramatic and boring. Man, it's just like Green Day. They were my favorite band but then they started wearing make-up and being all political and crap. Political things are most definitely not fun or carefree. Most of the time, it's always self-righteous posturing which is one thing I really hated about the mid 2000's bands.

The thing I noticed about the mid-late 2000s is that even though the 80s were what people got nostalgic for mostly then, some of the early-mid 90s also "seeped" into the nostalgia.

For example, people were calling Adventures of Pete & Pete and Legends of the Hidden Temple "old Nickelodeon shows", Sega Genesis and SNES games were on Wii's Virtual Console, and The Fresh Prince of Bel-Air and Family Matters were old enough to rerun on Nick at Nite. However, if someone said "Nintendo 64 and Pokemon were my childhood!" around that time, then someone else probably would've responded with "Those are too new, are you a little kid or something?", despite the late 90s only being a few years apart from the mid-90s.

It's the same with the early-mid 2000s vs. late 2000s today. I've heard a lot of people say "Man, Finding Nemo was my childhood, can't wait for the new movie to come out!", but if someone said "Wizards of Waverly place is such a nostalgic show", they would probably be mocked, even though those things are only four years apart.

With the "nostalgia cycle", I've noticed that 15-20 years ago is the "main" attraction, 10-15 years ago is acceptable to an extent, and anything under that is seen as too new.

I feel like the reason early 2000's nostalgia is acceptable is because so many people view them as a part of the 90's. Even in real life, early millennials around my age that I know born from 1981-1986 (including my sister) view the early 00's as a full-fledged part of the 90's that had nothing at all to do with the real 2000's. Hell, even a lot of mid-late millennials born from 1987 to 1997 also seem to think that the early 00's were a part of the 90's.

Yeah it's mostly those who weren't kids, teens, or adults when the early 2000s came and went. Heck I remember looking at some music vids from 2003 on youtube and in the comments you'll see people who say they're born in 2001-2003 and which they could go back to the early '00s or talk about how every good thing about the early '00s didn't end until say 2005-6. I have nothing against early 00's born, but saying the early '00s culture ended in 2005-2006 is odd as that wasn't the case.

I got nothing against them, either and I think it's cool that they're interested in a really cool era but early 00's culture is most definitely 1998-2003 and definitely did not extend to 2005 or 2006.

Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: Zelek2 on 01/25/16 at 3:32 pm

I feel like the reason early 2000's nostalgia is acceptable is because so many people view them as a part of the 90's. Even in real life, either early millennials I know born from 1981-1985 (including my sister) view the early 00's as a full-fledged part of the 90's that had nothing at all to do with the real 2000's. Hell, even a lot of mid-late millennials born from 1986 to 1997 also seem to think that the early 00's were a part of the 90's.

I got nothing against them, either and I think it's cool that they're interested in a really cool era but early 00's culture is most definitely 1998-2003 and definitely did not extend to 2005 or 2006.

I see what you mean, but what I'm saying is that throughout the "nostalgia cycle" - not just nowadays - roughly the first half of a decade tends to seep into the nostalgia of the decade before that (example: 80s and 1990-1995ish). Anything under 10 years old is "too new", always.

As I mentioned, in 2007, many people were saying Legends of the Hidden Temple was a "retro Nick show", but if someone said something like Dawson's Creek was also retro, they probably would've been mocked, despite those shows only being five years apart.

Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: JordanK1982 on 01/25/16 at 3:37 pm

I see what you mean, but what I'm saying is that throughout the "nostalgia cycle" - not just nowadays - roughly the first half of a decade tends to seep into the nostalgia of the decade before that (example: 80s and 1990-1995ish). Anything under 10 years old is "too new", always.

As I mentioned, in 2007, many people were saying Legends of the Hidden Temple was a "retro Nick show", but if someone said something like Dawson's Creek was also retro, they probably would've been mocked, despite those shows only being five years apart.

This is true. I remember there being an 80's day at my high school in 1998. Not to mention starting as early as 1994, there were a lot of Pop Punk bands doing the 80's nostalgia thing. I still feel like 2004-2007 is way too new for nostalgia, though. It still feels somewhat connected to day unlike 2000-2003 which feel more like the final 20th century years.

I and Malcolm in the Middle were pioneering early 00's nostalgia in 2005 onward! ;D I do remember a couple of people saying that the stuff from 2000-2003 was better than the stuff of today ('today' meaning 2007) but that was mostly dudes who were also old Pop Punk fans.

Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: Toon on 01/25/16 at 3:37 pm

I see what you mean, but what I'm saying is that throughout the "nostalgia cycle" - not just nowadays - roughly the first half of a decade tends to seep into the nostalgia of the decade before that (example: 80s and 1990-1995ish). Anything under 10 years old is "too new", always.

As I mentioned, in 2007, many people were saying Legends of the Hidden Temple was a "retro Nick show", but if someone said something like Dawson's Creek was also retro, they probably would've been mocked, despite those shows only being five years apart.

Yeah, anything under 10 years is considered "too new". I remember back when people considered consoles like the SNES and Genesis/MegaDrive to be retro, but they didn't consider the N64 and PS1 to be retro. And I even remember when the Dreamcast wasn't considered retro. Nowadays anything from Gen 6 on before is retro when compared to consoles/games nowadays as they're all 15 years old on even older. And yeah it's usually the first half of the decade that is considered worth to be nostalgic about. 2000-2005 is very different from say 2010-2015. And by 2020 I can see the entire 2000s as nostalgic for people.

Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: Zelek2 on 01/25/16 at 3:42 pm

I remember back when people considered consoles like the SNES and Genesis/MegaDrive to be retro, but they didn't consider the N64 and PS1 to be retro. And I even remember when the Dreamcast wasn't considered retro.

This was around 2007-2009, if I recall correctly?

Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: Baltimoreian on 01/25/16 at 3:44 pm

Yeah we still have people using Dial Up today even (although it's now a very tiny percentage). Last time Dial up was dominate was 2004 or before. But it can still be seen to be of use in certain places of the world.

True. It might be used in lower-class neighborhoods, I think. But not that much.

Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: Toon on 01/25/16 at 3:55 pm

This was around 2007-2009, if I recall correctly?

Yeah, I think it was around the late '00s. Dreamcast on the other hand wasn't considered retro until the early '10s.

Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: ocarinafan96 on 01/25/16 at 4:07 pm

This was around 2007-2009, if I recall correctly?

Yeah, I remember there being Virtual Console games of 'classics' (yes they were using that terminology at that point) from SNES & Genesis. Heck they even had N64, but that was considered the 'mildly' retro console at the time, and the Gamecube was just seen as dated

Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: JordanK1982 on 01/25/16 at 4:44 pm

I just had a thought: The Dell Dude was last seen on TV in 2003. He could not have ever fit into the culture of the mid-late 2000's whatsoever. Not even 2004! His slacker demeanor and "heeyy dude, get this computer!" attitude was another thing that went away in 2004. It's weird. It lasted really long; from the 70's up to 2003 then just went away in 2004.

Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: d90 on 01/25/16 at 4:47 pm

A perfect example of this are these commercials from the early 00's

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N9pgMmDmd8w

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I had Hitclips when i was a kid those were fun to play.

Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: ocarinafan96 on 01/25/16 at 5:21 pm

I just had a thought: The Dell Dude was last seen on TV in 2003. He could not have ever fit into the culture of the mid-late 2000's whatsoever. Not even 2004! His slacker demeanor and "heeyy dude, get this computer!" attitude was another thing that went away in 2004. It's weird. It lasted really long; from the 70's up to 2003 then just went away in 2004.

Lol this so true, the 'Dell Dude' was the epitome of early 2000's edgyness! I think this gameplay of one of my favorite games as a kid just further proves this theory:

-LzZC-VvP9c

Notice the extreme rock and the late 90's/early 00's catchpharses like 'Tight' and 'Radical'

I had Hitclips when i was a kid those were fun to play.

Lol I remember my sister and a few of my female friends that had those things as a kid. It was the first iPod ;D

Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: Toon on 01/25/16 at 5:22 pm

I just had a thought: The Dell Dude was last seen on TV in 2003. He could not have ever fit into the culture of the mid-late 2000's whatsoever. Not even 2004! His slacker demeanor and "heeyy dude, get this computer!" attitude was another thing that went away in 2004. It's weird. It lasted really long; from the 70's up to 2003 then just went away in 2004.

Dell Dude is early '00s culture that was personified into a human being. He'd be VERY out of place by the mid 2000s - mid 2010s. Nowadays companies/people use computers because they're very important and can benefit people. But back in 2000-2003 according to the Dell Guy you just needed a computer because they're cool. In 2016 you'll see a commercial where an well dressed adult is talking about what great things a Dell could provide to you. But in say 2000-2003 you'd see this guy with this slacker demeanor who just wants to let everyone get the totally cool Dell PCs.

Imagine if this guy (both pics show the same guy. Also even the other kid in the 2nd pic shows off that early '00s vibe)
http://en.bloguru.com/userdata/771/771/orig_201212111312170.jpghttps://i.ytimg.com/vi/8BsWijdM0W0/hqdefault.jpg

Was standing next to these guys
http://www.affashionate.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/tumblr_m9hh0oU3VV1r565vmo1_500.jpghttp://stellar.ie/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/hipster-guy.jpg

The Dell Dude would look pretty out of place. All I did was type "2010s men" on google images and I ended up with tons of images of men who don't give off that same Early '00s vibe that the Dell Dude gives off.

Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: JordanK1982 on 01/25/16 at 5:41 pm

Lol this so true, the 'Dell Dude' was the epitome of early 2000's edgyness! I think this gameplay of one of my favorite games as a kid just further proves this theory:

-LzZC-VvP9c

Notice the extreme rock and the late 90's/early 00's catchpharses like 'Tight' and 'Radical'

Man, that is super early 00's! It's funny how 80's slang like rad was still used back then. I still speak like that!

Dell Dude is early '00s culture that was personified into a human being. He'd be VERY out of place by the mid 2000s - mid 2010s. Nowadays companies/people use computers because they're very important and can benefit people. But back in 2000-2003 according to the Dell Guy you just needed a computer because they're cool. In 2016 you'll see a commercial where an well dressed adult is talking about what great things a Dell could provide to you. But in say 2000-2003 you'd see this guy with this slacker demeanor who just wants to let everyone get the totally cool Dell PCs.

Imagine if this guy (both pics show the same guy. Also even the other kid in the 2nd pic shows off that early '00s vibe)
http://en.bloguru.com/userdata/771/771/orig_201212111312170.jpghttps://i.ytimg.com/vi/8BsWijdM0W0/hqdefault.jpg

Was standing next to these guys
http://www.affashionate.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/tumblr_m9hh0oU3VV1r565vmo1_500.jpghttp://stellar.ie/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/hipster-guy.jpg

The Dell Dude would look pretty out of place. All I did was type "2010s men" on google images and I ended up with tons of images of men who don't give off that same Early '00s vibe that the Dell Dude gives off.

He really is. Man, just he says so much about the times. It goes to show how even in 2000-2003, computers weren't all that common and they had to use guys like the Dell Dude to appeal to a different type of audience. That also says to me what type of audience (the slacker dudes) was the most common among teens and young adults in the early 00's.

The early 00's were like "Heeyyy, dude! You lookin' for a PC!? Excellent!"
Mid 2000's - today is more like "PC's can benefit society and help us accomplish many tasks"

Even the Mac guy. He was supposed to be some sort of slacker but just comes off as some generic college kid in relaxed fit clothing. He is very plain and lacks the personality that made the Dell Dude stick out.

I don't think the Dude Dude would fit in with any of this from the mid 00's either:
http://wryter.yolasite.com/resources/panic-at-the-disco.jpg

If we look at the years only, 2005 is not a long ways away from 2000-2003 but culturally? It's like a completely different planet! I have a hard time believing that this Panic At the Disco picture is from the same decade as the Dell Dude. It's insane.

I also just remembered this movie from 2002:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/c/cd/Slackers.jpg/215px-Slackers.jpg

Perfect example of the Dell Dude times.

Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: Toon on 01/25/16 at 5:56 pm

Lol this so true, the 'Dell Dude' was the epitome of early 2000's edgyness! I think this gameplay of one of my favorite games as a kid just further proves this theory:

-LzZC-VvP9c

Notice the extreme rock and the late 90's/early 00's catchpharses like 'Tight' and 'Radical'

Sonic Adventure 2 screams Early 00's culture. It was all about making Sonic even more extreme/cool. And I always liked Sonic's somewhat nonchalant tone even when someone goes wrong. And I haven't used words like "Tight" since 2002 or 2003.

Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: Toon on 01/25/16 at 6:10 pm

He really is. Man, just he says so much about the times. It goes to show how even in 2000-2003, computers weren't all that common and they had to use guys like the Dell Dude to appeal to a different type of audience. That also says to me what type of audience (the slacker dudes) was the most common among teens and young adults in the early 00's.

The early 00's were like "Heeyyy, dude! You lookin' for a PC!? Excellent!"
Mid 2000's - today is more like "PC's can benefit society and help us accomplish many tasks"

Pretty much. Nowadays PCs were advertised as something to help benefit one's life. But back then PCs were advertised as cool gadgets. "If you didn't have one you were missing out, bro!"

Even the Mac guy. He was supposed to be some sort of slacker but just comes off as some generic college kid in relaxed fit clothing. He is very plain and lacks the personality that made the Dell Dude stick out.

You mean that Mac guy from that "Get a Mac" campaign? Yeah those didn't have the same feel. It mainly ran during the late '00s so it's easy to see why the vibe wasn't the same.

I don't think the Dude Dude would fit in with any of this from the mid 00's either:
http://wryter.yolasite.com/resources/panic-at-the-disco.jpg

If we look at the years only, 2005 is not a long ways away from 2000-2003 but culturally? It's like a completely different planet! I have a hard time believing that this Panic At the Disco picture is from the same decade as the Dell Dude. It's insane.

I also just remembered this movie from 2002:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/c/cd/Slackers.jpg/215px-Slackers.jpg

Perfect example of the Dell Dude times.

Yep! 2005 and 2000-2003 are only 2-5 years apart. But culturally you can see the differences. From the 1990s-2010s we've enter a period where culture isn't fully defined by the decade. We could have 2 different kinds of culture existing in the same decade. Obvious example is the 1998-2003 era. It started in the 1990s (which had a wacky/attitude tone, but lacked the Extreme! vibe that the late '90s had) and ended in the 2000s (which by the ending of the 2000s didn't even come close to resembling what the early '00s culture was like).

And as for that Slackers movie.....yep! Early '00s transformed into a movie alright. That movie is a product of its time. Look at modern movies that're about guys in school/college and you'll see that they don't have that same cultural feel either.

Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: JordanK1982 on 01/25/16 at 6:18 pm

Pretty much. Nowadays PCs were advertised as something to help benefit one's life. But back then PCs were advertised as cool gadgets. "If you didn't have one you were missing out, bro!"

The whole attitude was "Woaahh, look at all the stuff it can do!" like it was some crazy thing from outer space. Nowadays, it's some lifestyle that you absolutely need and you have to be super professional about it.

You mean that Mac guy from that "Get a Mac" campaign? Yeah those didn't have the same feel. It mainly ran during the late '00s so it's easy to see why the vibe wasn't the same.

Yeah, that guy! He was very bland and generic. Didn't stick out to me at all like the Dell Dude. I could relate to Slacker Steve, not that boring Mac guy.

Yep! 2005 and 2000-2003 are only 2-5 years apart. But culturally you can see the differences. From the 1990s-2010s we've enter a period where culture isn't fully defined by the decade. We could have 2 different kinds of culture existing in the same decade. Obvious example is the 1998-2003 era. It started in the 1990s (which had a wacky/attitude tone, but lacked the Extreme! vibe that the late '90s had) and ended in the 2000s (which by the ending of the 2000s didn't even come close to resembling what the early '00s culture was like).

Yeah, this is true. The Y2K era, along with the Xtreme! attitude, also still had tons of the wacky attitude that the 90's had such as the pictures I showed of those Fat Wreck compilation CD's. It feels more like a sub-era of the 90's rather than the 00's. The only time the era had any of the serious attitude of the real 2000's was 2003 but even then, it wasn't that noticeable. 2003 was kind of like three eras clashing at once: tons of core 90's leftovers, still predominately Y2K era and beginning of the real 2000's culture.

Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: Zelek2 on 01/25/16 at 7:14 pm

I know it's a highly cliche opinion at this point, but Sonic Adventure 2 isn't that good in retrospect, mainly because of having too many clunky shooting/treasure hunting levels and not enough of the speed sections.

I like the cheesy, x-treme, "so-bad-it's-good" style and charm to it, but that can't redeem the number of boring levels.

Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: ocarinafan96 on 01/25/16 at 7:31 pm

I know it's a highly cliche opinion at this point, but Sonic Adventure 2 isn't that good in retrospect, mainly because of having too many clunky shooting/treasure hunting levels and not enough of the speed sections.

I like the cheesy, x-treme, "so-bad-it's-good" style and charm to it, but that can't redeem the number of boring levels.

I kind of agree, I think the best aspects of that game were the speed sections and (in the battle version) the multiplayer. Many summer nights playing with my cousins on the battle mode of that game :)

Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: Toon on 01/25/16 at 8:43 pm

I still like Sonic Adventure 2. Think it's a decent game in my opinion. But hey to each his own.

Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: 2001 on 01/25/16 at 9:15 pm

I still like Sonic Adventure 2. Think it's a decent game in my opinion. But hey to each his on.

Same. I actually like the treasure hunting levels lol.

Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: ocarinafan96 on 01/25/16 at 9:25 pm

I still like Sonic Adventure 2. Think it's a decent game in my opinion. But hey to each his on.

I personally prefered SA1, but SA2 is still pretty enjoyable though

Same. I actually like the treasure hunting levels lol.

I liked the vass environments in the treasure hunting stages and the versatile movements of Knuckles and Rouge but I HATED the new radar system :P

Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: JordanK1982 on 01/25/16 at 9:28 pm

My favorite mission is the one where you have to get out of the city. Plus that stage's theme song is totally rad!

Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: ocarinafan96 on 01/25/16 at 9:29 pm

My favorite mission is the one where you have to get out of the city. Plus that stage's theme song is totally rad!

Yeah that stage is called 'City Escape', its very iconic

Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: 2001 on 01/25/16 at 9:32 pm

I personally prefered SA1, but SA2 is still pretty enjoyable though

I liked the vass environments in the treasure hunting stages and the versatile movements of Knuckles and Rouge but I HATED the new radar system :P

I played SA2 before I played SA1 so SA1 felt kind of outdated when I was playing it.

Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: JordanK1982 on 01/25/16 at 9:34 pm

Yeah that stage is called 'City Escape', its very iconic

Yeah, man! That one's the best! Speed Highway from SA1 was also super rad.

Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: ocarinafan96 on 01/25/16 at 9:37 pm

Yeah, man! That one's the best! Speed Highway from SA1 was also super rad.

Yeah Speed Highway is my favorite 3d Sonic Stage! :D

Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: ocarinafan96 on 01/25/16 at 9:39 pm

Do you guys find these reviews accurate or nah?

And if so, which one do you prefer (note both vids are a bit long)

8xA7MzEmtrU

ZPD7txITpxc

Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: Toon on 01/25/16 at 9:43 pm

Yeah that stage is called 'City Escape', its very iconic

City Escape
- Sonic is captured on a helicopter
- Knocks out all the men on board
- Jumps out the helicopter after rips off a piece of the wing
- Sky Dives down into the streets
- Uses the ripped helicopter wing to skate is why down the streets while pulling crazy tricks through street traffic
- Smashing robots at high speed
- Grinding on rails
- Runs through a loop that leads him to running down a building
- Ending the stage with him running at high speed while a giant truck is trying to run him over

Already broken the scale of awesomeness within the first level.

Too Extreme! for me. :(

Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: Toon on 01/25/16 at 9:46 pm

Do you guys find these reviews accurate or nah?

And if so, which one do you prefer (note both vids are a bit long)

8xA7MzEmtrU

ZPD7txITpxc

I've seen these vids before I think. I actually prefer Sonic Adventure 2 to Sonic Adventure 1. I liked additions that Sonic Adventure 2 had and the awesome music.

Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: ocarinafan96 on 01/25/16 at 9:52 pm

City Escape
- Sonic is captured on a helicopter
- Knocks out all the men on board
- Jumps out the helicopter after rips off a piece of the wing
- Sky Dives down into the streets
- Uses the ripped helicopter wing to skate is why down the streets while pulling crazy tricks through street traffic
- Smashing robots at high speed
- Grinding on rails
- Runs through a loop that leads him to running down a building
- Ending the stage with him running at high speed while a giant truck is trying to run him over

Already broken the scale of awesomeness within the first level.

Too Extreme! for me. :(

Its so extreme that explaining doesn't do it justice, you have to see to believe ;)

xx97nVGhZ4E

Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: Toon on 01/25/16 at 9:57 pm

Its so extreme that explaining doesn't do it justice, you have to see to believe ;)

xx97nVGhZ4E

TOO EXTREME!! COVER YOUR EYES, EVERYONE! What makes it even more Extreme is how the player even got an "A Rank" at the end.

Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: ocarinafan96 on 01/25/16 at 10:00 pm

TOO EXTREME!! COVER YOUR EYES, EVERYONE!

Too late my eyes are melting

https://media0.giphy.com/media/H4X0GI4j1XPP2/200_s.gif

Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: 2001 on 01/25/16 at 10:01 pm

Rollin' around at the speed of sound
Got places to go gotta follow my rainbow~

;D

Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: Toon on 01/25/16 at 10:03 pm

This was me when I witnessed how extreme it was for the very first time of playing through it.

http://i1.kym-cdn.com/profiles/icons/big/000/063/156/indiana_Jones_nazi_face_melt_by_iwanttorentawombat.gif

Sonic Adventure 2 has unsafe levels of extreme. Keep it away from your children (if you have any).

Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: Toon on 01/25/16 at 10:04 pm

Rollin' around at the speed of sound
Got places to go gotta follow my rainbow~

;D

Yeah I love that SA2 music. My favorite being Meteor Herd.

Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: 2001 on 01/25/16 at 10:07 pm

My middle school anthem ;D
cZjSrW4p7r8

Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: JordanK1982 on 01/25/16 at 10:08 pm

So Xtreme!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! He's going all this crazy stuff it's insane! Let's see you top that Limp Bizkit!

Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: JordanK1982 on 01/25/16 at 10:08 pm

My middle school anthem ;D
cZjSrW4p7r8

I like this. Sounds like good Pop Punk!

Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: 2001 on 01/25/16 at 10:24 pm

Yeah I love that SA2 music. My favorite being Meteor Herd.

Oh man the gravity in that level used to make me seriously nauseous. Didn't care though, I was too Xtreme! to let stomach acid get in the way. 8)

Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: SpyroKev on 01/25/16 at 10:34 pm

I still feel like 2004-2007 is way too new for nostalgia, though. It still feels somewhat connected to day unlike 2000-2003 which feel more like the final 20th century years.

I understand that the mid 2000s weren't your taste, man but 2004-2005 nostalgia is definitely in swing.

I personally prefered SA1, but SA2 is still pretty enjoyable though

This. I view SA1 as the improvement in terms of soundtrack, level design, story and atmosphere. SA2 kind of tried too hard.

Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: JordanK1982 on 01/25/16 at 11:00 pm

I understand that the mid 2000s weren't your taste, man but 2004-2005 nostalgia is definitely in swing.

Yeah, this is true. Even for 2006. My only real problem is that they group 2004-2006 in with the 90's and early 00's. :-\\

The Y2K era was a special time that had nothing to do with the mid 00's at all. A time of
Xtreme! Adventures

among other things.

Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: Toon on 01/26/16 at 12:48 am

Yeah, this is true. Even for 2006. My only real problem is that they group 2004-2006 in with the 90's and early 00's. :-\\

The Y2K era was a special time that had nothing to do with the mid 00's at all. A time of
Xtreme! Adventures

among other things.

I now imagine JordanK1982 in the year 2002 getting out his skateboard and yelling "EXTREME! ADVENTURES" and then starts riding down into a canyon somewhere. Not even Tony Hawk can achieve the level of extremeness that JordanK1982 has.

Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: Howard on 01/26/16 at 3:29 pm

Dell Dude is early '00s culture that was personified into a human being. He'd be VERY out of place by the mid 2000s - mid 2010s. Nowadays companies/people use computers because they're very important and can benefit people. But back in 2000-2003 according to the Dell Guy you just needed a computer because they're cool. In 2016 you'll see a commercial where an well dressed adult is talking about what great things a Dell could provide to you. But in say 2000-2003 you'd see this guy with this slacker demeanor who just wants to let everyone get the totally cool Dell PCs.

Imagine if this guy (both pics show the same guy. Also even the other kid in the 2nd pic shows off that early '00s vibe)
http://en.bloguru.com/userdata/771/771/orig_201212111312170.jpghttps://i.ytimg.com/vi/8BsWijdM0W0/hqdefault.jpg

Was standing next to these guys
http://www.affashionate.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/tumblr_m9hh0oU3VV1r565vmo1_500.jpghttp://stellar.ie/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/hipster-guy.jpg

The Dell Dude would look pretty out of place. All I did was type "2010s men" on google images and I ended up with tons of images of men who don't give off that same Early '00s vibe that the Dell Dude gives off.

Whatever became of the Dell Dude? ???

Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: JordanK1982 on 01/26/16 at 5:18 pm

I now imagine JordanK1982 in the year 2002 getting out his skateboard and yelling "EXTREME! ADVENTURES" and then starts riding down into a canyon somewhere. Not even Tony Hawk can achieve the level of extremeness that JordanK1982 has.

Haha, thanks man! This is pretty accurate. In 2002 I was probably skatin' (somewhat badly) through some pipes, listening to either my Home Grown Act Your Age or Kings of Pop CD (this one had just come out), The Sugarcult's Stuck in America over and over and JEW's Sweetness because that was song all over the radio in 2002. Good, good times when VHS ruled the world and everyone had dial up.

Whatever became of the Dell Dude? ???

He got busted for smoking pot so Dell fired him. :(

Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: JordanK1982 on 01/26/16 at 7:41 pm

I just found this picture from a 2003 Simpsons episode. Even though this is the year DVD overtook VHS in sales and rentals, some people still thought VHS was gonna win in the end:

http://cnet1.cbsistatic.com/hub/i/r/2015/08/06/6890a3e9-51b3-4e2e-9dee-03a323c4addc/resize/770x578/84f70b2f5eb1b630716d7e82f227fbbf/simpsons-reserved-for-dvds.jpg

Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: Baltimoreian on 01/26/16 at 7:54 pm

I just found this picture from a 2003 Simpsons episode. Even though this is the year DVD overtook VHS in sales and rentals, some people still thought VHS was gonna win in the end:

http://cnet1.cbsistatic.com/hub/i/r/2015/08/06/6890a3e9-51b3-4e2e-9dee-03a323c4addc/resize/770x578/84f70b2f5eb1b630716d7e82f227fbbf/simpsons-reserved-for-dvds.jpg

And then VHS lost the format battle. That's why DVDs are superior to them. ;D

Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: JordanK1982 on 01/26/16 at 8:00 pm

And then VHS lost the format battle. That's why DVDs are superior to them. ;D

No, it just means the consumers are morons that don't know a good product when they see it.

Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: 80sfan on 01/26/16 at 8:43 pm

Haha, thanks man! This is pretty accurate. In 2002 I was probably skatin' (somewhat badly) through some pipes, listening to either my Home Grown Act Your Age or Kings of Pop CD (this one had just come out), The Sugarcult's Stuck in America over and over and JEW's Sweetness because that was song all over the radio in 2002. Good, good times when VHS ruled the world and everyone had dial up.

He got busted for smoking pot so Dell fired him. :(

;D ;D

Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: ocarinafan96 on 01/26/16 at 8:50 pm

He got busted for smoking pot so Dell fired him. :(

Seriously!? I though he was banished in the 'Extreme Universe of Anything pre 2004' for eternity!

Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: Toon on 01/26/16 at 8:53 pm

Haha, thanks man! This is pretty accurate. In 2002 I was probably skatin' (somewhat badly) through some pipes, listening to either my Home Grown Act Your Age or Kings of Pop CD (this one had just come out), The Sugarcult's Stuck in America over and over and JEW's Sweetness because that was song all over the radio in 2002. Good, good times when VHS ruled the world and everyone had dial up.
Some good old fashion times alright. To think it was less than 20 years ago (although 15+ years is a pretty long time).

He got busted for smoking pot so Dell fired him. :(
:( :-\\ :\'(

Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: JordanK1982 on 01/26/16 at 8:59 pm

Seriously!? I though he was banished in the 'Extreme Universe of Anything pre 2004' for eternity!

That's what I thought, too! But nooo, Dell just had to be pissy about it. The Dell Dude is the great commercial mascot of all time. Maybe the reason everything changed in 2004 is because of Dell. I guess the pre 2004 things got transported into this alternate universe and they left me behind. :(

Some good old fashion times alright. To think it was less than 20 years ago (although 15+ years is a pretty long time).

Oh man, they were amazing times. It's weird, huh? 1998-2003 isn't even 20 yet but it feels ancient compared to today!

:( :-\\ :\'(

It makes me sad, too. Dell couldn't tell this dude was a stoner? It's so obvious!

Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: Zelek2 on 01/26/16 at 9:30 pm

Question for Jordan: do you still consider the first half of 2004 to still be part of the "Y2K era"? Personally, I feel like it is to an extent.

Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: JordanK1982 on 01/26/16 at 9:41 pm

Question for Jordan: do you still consider the first half of 2004 to still be part of the "Y2K era"? Personally, I feel like it is to an extent.

Ehh, somewhat. The Y2K influence already started getting kinda vague by late 2003 when the core 2000's started taking over. It also helps that the transitions of 2003 already made 2004 feel much more 2000's as the year began. By April, movies that felt different from the 90's/early 00's Teen Movies like the Girl Next Door and Mean Girls were released and would continue to be released through 2004. Bands like Hawthorne Heights, From First to Last and Aiden had already began changing their image and recording their 2000's defining albums as early as January/February 2004 where as Green Day and My Chemical Romance did this starting in mid-late 2003. At the same time, New Found Glory released Catalyst in May 2004 which still sounds mostly early 2000's (aside from songs like "I Don't Wanna Know") but this was when their image was getting more plain and mid 2000's. Early 2004 didn't have any notable Nu Metal releases like even late 2003 did with Korn's Take A Look in the Mirror which came out in November. It's also the first year beginning to end where DVD was the dominant format right off the bat. You could maybe say the first few months had some Y2K influence but I think it was done by June. In June, My Chemical Romance, Hawthorne Heights, From First to Last and Aiden released extremely popular and iconic 2000's defining albums that pretty much killed off the Y2K Pop Punk and Emo style. Movies like White Chick and Spider-Man 2 also came out, furthering the mid 2000's movie formula.

Since Faux-Emo was so popular in the mid 2000's, I use it as an example. Here's a photo from February 2004:
https://40.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lpnd8acTXQ1qko0x8o1_500.jpg

I don't think you could get away with looking like that even in 2003.

Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: mqg96 on 01/26/16 at 9:42 pm

Question for Jordan: do you still consider the first half of 2004 to still be part of the "Y2K era"? Personally, I feel like it is to an extent.

Not me, in fact, I think the Y2K era was over by Fall 2003 and the core 2000's was in full effect by then. Although, I'd still consider Fall 2003-Spring 2004 as the transition from early 2000's culture to mid 2000's culture.

Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: Toon on 01/26/16 at 9:43 pm

I consider to have some slight Y2K era influences. A while back someone called it a "classic core 2000s" (which I agree with) due to how even though it's the core 2000s it has somewhat of an old time feeling to it. More so than say 2006 or 2007. To me it's a core 2000s year with early '00s leftovers in it. Although by the end of the first half of 2004 those early '00s leftovers have pretty much disappeared.

Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: Toon on 01/26/16 at 10:00 pm

That's what I thought, too! But nooo, Dell just had to be pissy about it. The Dell Dude is the great commercial mascot of all time. Maybe the reason everything changed in 2004 is because of Dell. I guess the pre 2004 things got transported into this alternate universe and they left me behind. :(

Oh man, they were amazing times. It's weird, huh? 1998-2003 isn't even 20 yet but it feels ancient compared to today!

It makes me sad, too. Dell couldn't tell this dude was a stoner? It's so obvious!

A world where the Dell Dude kept being in commercials up to the late 2000s. And the vibe of the 1998-2003 continues to the late 2000s. How awesome that'll be. As for Dell firing the Dell Dude it makes me sad. Man I wish the 1998-2003 era lasted longer. I think I've said this 20+ times now, but that's because I really wish the 1998-2003 lasted longer. I mean the idea of an era lasting for under 10 years disturbs me. Especially since I liked the feel of that cultural era with it's wacky, cartoony, colorful, extreme, carefree, slacker vibe. Now it's all "mature" and "serious".

Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: JordanK1982 on 01/26/16 at 10:07 pm

A world where the Dell Dude kept being in commercials up to the late 2000s. And the vibe of the 1998-2003 continues to the late 2000s. How awesome that'll be. As for Dell firing the Dell Dude it makes me sad. Man I wish the 1998-2003 era lasted longer. I think I've said this 20+ times now, but that's because I really wish the 1998-2003 lasted longer. I mean the idea of an era lasting for under 10 years disturbs me. Especially since I liked the feel of that cultural era with it's wacky, cartoony, colorful, extreme, carefree, slacker vibe. Now it's all "mature" and "serious".

That would be a pretty rad world. It would be cool if the mid 2000's had more Tony Hawk games, pre-untitled era blink-182 concerts, Dell Dude commericals. It sucks they fired him for something so small. He was super iconic and everyone I knew loved him. I am saying the same thing everyday! Ever since the mid 2000's, everything's been "serious", pretentious and "mature". Man, I miss the days when Pop Punk was loud and fast, the 5th and 6th generation systems co-existed and movies focused on wacky adventures instead of trying to hard to be "artsy" and crap.

Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: mqg96 on 01/27/16 at 1:25 am

2003 Movies!!!

http://www.gstatic.com/tv/thumb/movieposters/33156/p33156_p_v8_ak.jpg http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSt4AaH8aQNb6hrdHev-0J_xymlsy3aQDxGLXVDmU812etMBFRN http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/disney/images/b/ba/Finding_Nemo-_2003.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20130420022756 http://www.gstatic.com/tv/thumb/dvdboxart/32386/p32386_d_v8_aa.jpg http://www.gstatic.com/tv/thumb/movieposters/32093/p32093_p_v8_aa.jpg http://onlinefilm.co/uploads/film/2015/04/2-fast-2-furious-izle-561.jpg http://www.gstatic.com/tv/thumb/movieposters/31349/p31349_p_v8_af.jpg http://www.gstatic.com/tv/thumb/dvdboxart/32185/p32185_d_v8_aa.jpg http://www.gstatic.com/tv/thumb/movieposters/33159/p33159_p_v8_af.jpg http://www.gstatic.com/tv/thumb/movieposters/31889/p31889_p_v8_ac.jpg

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Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: JordanK1982 on 01/27/16 at 1:37 am

2003 Movies!!!

http://www.gstatic.com/tv/thumb/movieposters/33156/p33156_p_v8_ak.jpg http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSt4AaH8aQNb6hrdHev-0J_xymlsy3aQDxGLXVDmU812etMBFRN http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/disney/images/b/ba/Finding_Nemo-_2003.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20130420022756 http://www.gstatic.com/tv/thumb/dvdboxart/32386/p32386_d_v8_aa.jpg http://www.gstatic.com/tv/thumb/movieposters/32093/p32093_p_v8_aa.jpg http://onlinefilm.co/uploads/film/2015/04/2-fast-2-furious-izle-561.jpg http://www.gstatic.com/tv/thumb/movieposters/31349/p31349_p_v8_af.jpg http://www.gstatic.com/tv/thumb/dvdboxart/32185/p32185_d_v8_aa.jpg http://www.gstatic.com/tv/thumb/movieposters/33159/p33159_p_v8_af.jpg http://www.gstatic.com/tv/thumb/movieposters/31889/p31889_p_v8_ac.jpg

http://pre04.deviantart.net/7b69/th/pre/i/2014/065/8/f/phanto_the_death_mask_by_mdtartist83-d797cuy.pnghttp://pre04.deviantart.net/7b69/th/pre/i/2014/065/8/f/phanto_the_death_mask_by_mdtartist83-d797cuy.png

What's with the smiles, man? Creeping me out!

All of those movies seem very Y2K era to me.

Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: mqg96 on 01/27/16 at 2:09 am

2003 in Gaming!!!

http://www.theisozone.com/images/cover/xbox_278.jpg http://s.emuparadise.org/GCN/Covers/Mario%20Kart%20Double%20Dash.jpg http://static.giantbomb.com/uploads/original/3/39162/1632087-tony_hawks_underground_usa.jpg http://img03.deviantart.net/8161/i/2013/022/f/4/need_for_speed_underground_complete_cover_stock_by_mighoet-d5segm6.jpg http://www.theisozone.com/images/cover/ps2_470.jpg http://art.gametdb.com/wii/coverfullHQ/US/GHRE78.png https://i.ytimg.com/vi/VQTmUtRo_E4/maxresdefault.jpg http://img.pokemondb.net/images/boxes/ruby-sapphire.jpg http://img.gamefaqs.net/box/1/4/8/52148_front.jpg http://i.ebayimg.com/images/i/201090920636-0-1/s-l1000.jpg

http://img14.deviantart.net/9f28/i/2012/115/c/1/phanto___got_any_keys_by_pyro_sith-d4xlqg0.png

Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: JordanK1982 on 01/27/16 at 4:19 am

http://img14.deviantart.net/9f28/i/2012/115/c/1/phanto___got_any_keys_by_pyro_sith-d4xlqg0.png

Scary stuff, dude. :-\\

Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: mqg96 on 01/27/16 at 11:53 am

2003 for TV!!!

https://homeshoppingista.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/food_large.jpg http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/logopedia/images/4/41/NFL-Network.jpeg/revision/latest?cb=20140814182735 http://www.thelogofactory.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/03/spike-TV-inset-logo1.png http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/logopedia/images/e/eb/Jimmykimmellive-71998.png/revision/latest?cb=20150926040416 https://uk.newonnetflix.info/artwork/70136128_w.jpg?1453408682 http://pixel.nymag.com/imgs/daily/vulture/2013/07/02/02-antm-cycle-1.w750.h560.2x.jpg http://img.soundtrackcollector.com/movie/large/NCIS_(2003).jpg http://campusriot.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/Thats-So-Raven.jpg http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/rugrats/images/d/d4/All_grown_up_characters.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20111217133048 http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/teen-titans-go/images/a/a4/4374406-teen-titans-season-1-screenshot-1.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20150919022507 http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/disney/images/8/82/Vlcsnap-2012-08-17-17h04m19s230.png/revision/latest?cb=20121108163745 http://kubitus.covers.marsuhuba.eu/cover/serien/Duck_Dodgers_front.jpg http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/610F4A5NQAL.jpg http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/toonami/images/6/67/Toonami_Logo_2003.png/revision/latest?cb=20140412191440 http://cdn.ulive.com/b2/b6/2d28abac49bc9668f6c9c32347cd/everyday-italian.jpg http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/71EITie7s0L._SL1213_.jpg

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Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: Baltimoreian on 01/27/16 at 4:31 pm

No, it just means the consumers are morons that don't know a good product when they see it.

The consumers know that DVDs are simply better. Even kids today would think that DVDs are awesome.

Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: JordanK1982 on 01/28/16 at 2:31 am

2003 for TV!!!
http://pre04.deviantart.net/7b69/th/pre/i/2014/065/8/f/phanto_the_death_mask_by_mdtartist83-d797cuy.png

:\'(

The consumers know that DVDs are simply better. Even kids today would think that DVDs are awesome.

VHS will always be king. Search your feelings, Luke, you know it be true.

Kids today don't know...

5pa6SGYWADU

;D ;D ;D

Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: Philip Eno on 01/28/16 at 8:15 am

:\'(

VHS will always be king. Search your feelings, Luke, you know it be true.

Kids today don't know...

5pa6SGYWADU

;D ;D ;D

...but can you still buy the latest available Hollywood blockbusters on VHS?

Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: Baltimoreian on 01/28/16 at 8:29 am

:\'(

VHS will always be king. Search your feelings, Luke, you know it be true.

Kids today don't know...

5pa6SGYWADU

;D ;D ;D

Wait, you're 90s Nick's brother? No wonder why you keep saying crap about VHS being superior.

Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: JordanK1982 on 01/28/16 at 12:23 pm

Wait, you're 90s Nick's brother? No wonder why you keep saying crap about VHS being superior.

Dammit, I'm not that bad! ;D I sent the video because the "kids these days" reminded me of it. "They don't know... they missed out..."

Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: Howard on 01/28/16 at 3:52 pm

...but can you still buy the latest available Hollywood blockbusters on VHS?

Yes you can.

Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: Philip Eno on 01/28/16 at 3:56 pm

Yes you can.
Where?

Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: Howard on 01/28/16 at 5:04 pm

Where?

I have to check.

Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: Philip Eno on 01/28/16 at 5:14 pm

I have to check.
Please do?

Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: Howard on 01/29/16 at 7:52 am

Please do?

Amazon

Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: Philip Eno on 01/29/16 at 7:54 am

I think Netflix. ???
VHS tapes on Netflix, I though it was online?

Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: Howard on 01/29/16 at 7:55 am

VHS tapes on Netflix, I though it was online?

definitely Amazon

Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: Philip Eno on 01/29/16 at 7:59 am

definitely Amazon
Maybe eBay too?

Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: Howard on 01/29/16 at 9:16 am

Maybe eBay too?

Yes eBay

Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: Philip Eno on 01/29/16 at 9:21 am

Yes eBay
But in the shops?

Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: Howard on 01/29/16 at 2:55 pm

But in the shops?

I believe so. ???

Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: Bobtheplaystationguy on 02/07/16 at 5:51 pm

JordanK1982, what year would you say the Y2K era was at its peak?

Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: JordanK1982 on 02/07/16 at 6:03 pm

JordanK1982, what year would you say the Y2K era was at its peak?

Damn, that's a tough one. I consider the Y2K era as a whole to be 1996-2003. 1996-1997 are more core 90's and only transitional and 2003 was us leaving the Y2K era and going into the real 2000's. Those years aren't really important Y2K years and relate more/have events that are more important to the core 90's/00's, than the core years. 1998-2002 are all equally important to the Y2K era and were when the Y2K trends (music, television, technology, fashion) were at their top. In my opinion, the peak lasted throughout the core era.

Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: Bobtheplaystationguy on 02/07/16 at 6:11 pm

If you had to pick one year, for example if you were going to make a film that's a 'Dazed and Confused' of the Y2K era, which year would you set it in?

Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: JordanK1982 on 02/07/16 at 6:19 pm

Oh man, that's a great question. Probably 1999 because of all the computer crash worries/Y2K bug. It'd be funny to have scenes with hysterical parents freaking out over their computers. Or maybe 2000 because that's the first year that starts with "20XX" and I could shove in a bunch of "It's the new millennium!!!" lines in there (though, I'd still hear people say that until 2003). I wouldn't say 1999 or 2000 are any more or less important than the other Y2K years, though. If I could, I'd make a movie (or sequels) that span all those years.

Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: mqg96 on 02/07/16 at 9:45 pm

JordanK1982, what year would you say the Y2K era was at its peak?

I think 1999 and 2000 were the peak years of the Y2K era.

Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: Bobtheplaystationguy on 02/08/16 at 6:14 am

Oh man, that's a great question. Probably 1999 because of all the computer crash worries/Y2K bug. It'd be funny to have scenes with hysterical parents freaking out over their computers. Or maybe 2000 because that's the first year that starts with "20XX" and I could shove in a bunch of "It's the new millennium!!!" lines in there (though, I'd still hear people say that until 2003). I wouldn't say 1999 or 2000 are any more or less important than the other Y2K years, though. If I could, I'd make a movie (or sequels) that span all those years.

That would be a great movie ;D

Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: JordanK1982 on 02/08/16 at 6:51 am

That would be a great movie ;D

Haha, for sure, man! You'd have your nu metalers, the boy bands, skaters, dial-up internet, slackers. It'd be pretty sweet.

Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: HazelBlue99 on 07/25/17 at 2:40 am

Culturally speaking, I believe 2003 belongs with the Early 2000s. I may have only been 4 years old in 2003, but I can remember it well enough to really get a grasp on what the year was like and how it felt. In retrospect, it felt noticeably different from 2004. 2004 was undeniably core 2000's, whereas 2003 felt more like a 'precursor'.

It's funny thinking back on 2003. I got my PS2 for Christmas that year, but I remember that they were still around $400 in the shops! The funny thing is, I owned a PS1 at the time and I can remember thinking that the PS2 was "the best thing out". :P

Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: Slim95 on 08/02/17 at 1:58 pm

It is more mid 2000s. But I am from Canada so my experience may be different than yours. But even from an American perspective, I don't see artists like 50 Cent early '00s, and he had his biggest hit in 2003. Numerically speaking, it is both of course. Mid '00s started in October 2003 I think.

Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: Zelek3 on 08/02/17 at 2:02 pm

In terms of kid culture I always thought it was still early 2000s. Shows like Hey Arnold, Rocket Power, and Johnny Bravo were still on. It wasn't until the second half of 2004 that, kid culture-wise at least, we had fully entered the mid 2000s with a bunch of 90s/early 2000s shows getting cancelled, iPod surpassed the Discman in sales, Cocoa Puffs bird stopped being a cool skater dude, etc.

Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: Longaotian00 on 08/03/17 at 12:16 am

Early 2000s!! :D :D

Subject: Re: Is 2003 Early or Mid 2000's?

Written By: 80sfan on 08/03/17 at 1:17 pm

It was a fun year. Movies and TV were great! TV still is pretty good.

Too bad I fell out of love with mainstream music by 2003 though.

It was one of the last good years before my life really started to fall apart!

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