I think we can all I agree the early 00s was pretty much the late 90s In HD but as far as the mid and late 00s is concerned when did it finally feel like the 00s has officially arrived? for me I have to say the late 00s 

The 2000s hadn't arrived until near the end of the calendar decade?  What sense does that make?  YouTube, Facebook, Wii, and PS3 weren't the only things that distinguished the 2000s from the 90s.  That's like saying 1994 was still the 80s just because the Internet wasn't popular yet.

Frankly, I wouldn't even say the majority of the early 2000s had more of a 90s influence.  Around 2001, we had George W. Bush become President of the United States, teen pop and boybands decline from popularity, sixth generation gaming consoles quickly establish themselves, 9/11, the first movies in the Shrek, LOTR, Fast & the Furious, and Harry Potter franchises; pop punk emerge as an industry standard in music, the death of Napster, the emergence of Hillary Duff, the end of Pokémania and American premiere of Yu-Gi-Oh!, Britney Spears becoming a more "adult" artist, etc.  Even before that, in 2000, the world saw the Dot Com Bubble crash, the first season of Survivor, the Neptunes emerge as the hottest producers in top 40 music, the premiere of Malcolm in the Middle, breakthrough of pop post-grunge bands like Creed and 3 Doors Down, and release of the PlayStation 2, among other things.  I think a lot of people exaggerate how similar the early 2000s were to the 90s, when really they were just a period with certain innovations from the late 90s that survived into the new millennium, compounded by several new developments that gave the era a distinct vibe of its own.

2001 is when 2000's culture truly begin and overtook 90's culture. If you're talking about when there was absolutely no late 90's influences leftover and everything completely felt 100% 2000's, then I'd go with 2004.

I have to agree with Infinity and mqg96. Even though I feel 2002 was the pure beginning, 2001 is more 2000s then 90s. Aaliyah's hits, Try Again, Are You That Somebody or More than A Woman sound purely and fully intro-ed the 2000s to me while Rock The Boat has a Late 90s sound to it.

IMO:

The true early 90's culture died in 1996

The true mid 90's culture died in 1998

The true late 90's culture died in 2001

2002 was probably the first year that felt more 2000's than 1990's

However 2001 is a possible contender as well sine R&B and Pop Punk rose that year, Dubya was president, and of course 9/11.
However it could also arguably be the end of the late 90's culture since that was the last year teen pop acts like NSYNC & innocent Britney Spears were relevant and consoles like N64 & PS1 were at the tail end of their popularity despite PS2 already out for most of that year.

So 2001 is really 50/50, 00's & 90's at least IMO

However like mqg said, there were still a few lingering late 90's influences as late as early 2004 BUT mid 2004 on was the core 2000's!

For instance here's a commercial break from 2001:

Note that some late 90's influences like dial up and mom jeans are still very common but you also had tons of 00's influences as well such as commercials for the PS2

hkWt7M0_Xfw

I don't disagree except the early 2000's weren't really in HD. I don't think HD really caught on until 2007-2009 at the latest.

Anyways, I don't really know why people would include any year from 2004-2006 with the late 90's. That vibe was over by Spring 2004; the true start of the 2000's culture. The transition began in late 2003 but 2004 is the first year that all the cultural trends of the 2000's went into full effect. The iPod got pretty big and overtook the Discman, both DVD and Broadband got bigger than the VHS and Dial-Up, Emo and Pop Punk went from looking like nerdy looking college kids and spiky haired acne faced teens, respectively, to glam metal wannabe's, flat screens TV's and digital cable got bigger (more so in 2005 and 2006 than 2004), Nu Metal and Post-Grunge died out (anyone who said it was popular throughout the 2000's is confusing it with Alt. Metal which is slightly different but was also a late 90's trend that started around the same time as Post-Grunge), the closing of the N64 and PS1 era was in 2002 and 2003 so 2004-2006 didn't even really have the 5th generation leftovers aside from the odd PS1 game here and there, Myspace was the newest big thing,  tight clothing was the new "in" ect.

Even if people don't wanna say it was "late 90's," you gotta admit, 2000-2002 and (mostly) 2003 was totally different from the rest of the decade.

2000-2002 and most of 2003 = Extreme, futuristic, somewhat cheesy, electronic and angsty and angry like Fred Durst and his stupid band

1999
http://iv1.lisimg.com/image/991914/450full-limp-bizkit.jpg

2001
http://drisswillis.d.r.pic.centerblog.net/db446a7c.jpg

2002
http://www.shortscore.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/NewFoundGlory_2000.jpg

2002
http://i.ytimg.com/vi/af4s8_aPQGQ/maxresdefault.jpg

2000
http://i.imgur.com/jSE47Tc.jpg

2002
http://history.cpet.ufl.edu/SSTP/SSTP2002/images/SSTP%202002%20Group%20Photo.jpg

2002
http://www.tribute.ca/tribute_objects/images/movies/the_new_guy/thenewguy6.jpg

2002
http://resizing.flixster.com/Z87fJP3IVcRso7QfOeeYX2C07zY=/600x399/dkpu1ddg7pbsk.cloudfront.net/rtmovie/84/8434_ori.jpg

2001
http://faze.ca/issue11/images/swollen-members-1.jpg

1999
http://www.hotflick.net/flicks/1999_American_Pie/fhd999AMP_Jason_Biggs_017.jpg

1999
http://www.hotflick.net/flicks/1999_American_Pie/tn640/fhd999AMP_Jason_Biggs_006.jpg

1999
http://s.fishki.net/upload/post/201509/06/1653498/14.jpg

2004-2006/2007 = A lot more serious and lot of emphasis on glamorous lifestyles (mostly with the rap and glam stuff), the futuristic feeling of the new millennium has already faded.

2004/2005
http://www.bringthenoiseuk.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/From+First+to+Last-200.jpg

2004
http://lamusicblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/mcr.jpg

2005
http://i1.r7.com/data/files/2C92/94A3/250A/21CC/0125/27E7/4ACC/2D13/teen6-g-20091124.jpg

2005
http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lgpzchFCuG1qdg2so.jpg

2004
http://statetheatreconcerts.com/blog/images/Hawthorne_Heights.jpg

2005
http://cdn.buzznet.com/assets/users16/eleanorsumner/default/evolution-all-time-low-2005--large-msg-135672935865.jpg

2004
http://images2.mtv.com/uri/mgid:file:docroot:mtv.com:/content/ontv/vma/2006/images/galleries/dare_to_wear/liljohn_getty.jpg?enlarge=false&matte=true&matteColor=black&quality=0.85

2007-2009 = Futuristic but in a very different way than 2000-2002. Electro-Pop and a new style of rap come along, skinny clothes, flat hats and auto tune are some of the biggest things of 2007-2009.

2008
http://cdn.buzznet.com/assets/users16/missdenise/default/lady-gaga-trl--large-msg-121872944549.jpg

2008
http://media1.fdncms.com/nashville/imager/katy-perry-is-coming-to-nashville/u/big/1483432/katyperrysm.jpg

2009
http://images2.fanpop.com/image/photos/11900000/Photoshoots-2009-Uknown-Photoshoot-justin-bieber-11958688-399-267.jpg

2008/2009 (???)
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/ac/5e/e7/ac5ee7e5eba1aae6681a2cb8534c22e4.jpg

2008/2009 (I think that when these two photos were taken?)
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/91/b8/54/91b85490daf1b4de71b7383d298babca.jpg

There you go, everyone. An experts study on the 2000's! You can tell by the amount of photos I posted as to which era I like best.

What year did all '90s holdovers go away, in your opinion?

What year did all '90s holdovers go away, in your opinion?


2004 for sure. By March-May of that year, it all went away and it was dead by the end of the year when Green Day ruined themselves with American Idiot and My Chemical Romance followed suit with Sweet Revenge. Another album that would signify this would be From First to Last's Teen Angst album which was released in Summer of 2004. The new glam metal emo took us to a new era.

IMO:

The true early 90's culture died in 1996


No, A Different World, polka dots, and the Roger Rabbit dance were all gone by the end of 1993.

So, true early '90s culture died in 1993.

What year did all '90s holdovers go away, in your opinion?


So according to you, groups that started out in the '90s were only supposed to record music for the 1990s decade?  :-\\

No, A Different World, polka dots, and the Roger Rabbit dance were all gone by the end of 1993.

So, true early '90s culture died in 1993.


I agree

Early 90's culture = 1990-1992

Mid 90's = 1993-1997

Millennium era = 1998-2003

In my opinion the fall of 2004,it officially felt like the naughties! Late 2001 was when it felt like the early 00s to me, politically and culturally But for me personally fall 2004.

What year did all '90s holdovers go away, in your opinion?

Fall 2004 IMO

Around 2002, when I started to remember stuff. All the years that I don't remember were part of the 90s.

The transition from '90s to '00s was far less pronounced than the transition from '00s to '10s.  It was a very gradual change, starting in late 1997 and not completely finishing until late 2006.  I would say 2002 though was when things really felt like the '00s.  Bush was in office, post-grunge was everywhere, and we were in the midst of the post 9/11 wave of conservatism and patriotism.  Teen pop was out of style as were many other Y2K-era fads.  We had 6th generation gaming consles and PC gaming was entering its golden age during the Windows XP era.  However, the world of the '90s didn't die overnight with some aspects sticking around as late as 2006.

The transition from '90s to '00s was far less pronounced than the transition from '00s to '10s.  It was a very gradual change, starting in late 1997 and not completely finishing until late 2006.  I would say 2002 though was when things really felt like the '00s.  Bush was in office, post-grunge was everywhere, and we were in the midst of the post 9/11 wave of conservatism and patriotism.  Teen pop was out of style as were many other Y2K-era fads.  We had 6th generation gaming consles and PC gaming was entering its golden age during the Windows XP era.  However, the world of the '90s didn't die overnight with some aspects sticking around as late as 2006.

So you think the 90s to the 00s was a gradual change?

So you think the 90s to the 00s was a gradual change?


Yeah it definitely was a gradual change.  There isn't a moment when you can really say the culture shifted.  I remember in 2002 looking back on 1999 and being able to see subtle changes but there was no 1992 or 2008 where everything seemed to change in the matter of a few months.  If we look beyond decade culture, I think the case could be made that late 1992-early 2008 was one era.

Yeah it definitely was a gradual change.  There isn't a moment when you can really say the culture shifted.  I remember in 2002 looking back on 1999 and being able to see subtle changes but there was no 1992 or 2008 where everything seemed to change in the matter of a few months.  If we look beyond decade culture, I think the case could be made that late 1992-early 2008 was one era.


I think the 2000's was a distinct era of it's own. I also think that 1996-2003 is it's own mini-era. 2000-2002, especially. Those years hardly felt different from 1998 back then or even today when looking back at them. I don't know why everyone is saying 2001 or 2002 for the end of the 90's culture since both of those years still felt way more 90's than 00's. 2005 and 2006 are the most 00's you can get and they feel nothing like 2001 and 2002. Forget about politics because post-9/11 and pre-War America was totally different than the post-War in terms of politics. People actually liked Bush before the Iraq War (I would know. I remember a lot of people talking about Bush being a hero around this time) but a discussion like this shouldn't even discuss politics because they really didn't make a dent in pop culture (plus, it's too American centric and I'm saying this as an American). Anyway, things got way darker in 2004, not 2002. Things were so cheesy back in 2002 that it's not even funny.

The bottom line is First true year of the 2000's is probably 2004 but the culture started around fall of 2003. 2000-2002 are totally millennium-era 90's holdovers. 

I think the 2000's was a distinct era of it's own. I also think that 1996-2003 is it's own mini-era. 2000-2002, especially. Those years hardly felt different from 1998 back then or even today when looking back at them. I don't know why everyone is saying 2001 or 2002 for the end of the 90's culture since both of those years still felt way more 90's than 00's. 2005 and 2006 are the most 00's you can get and they feel nothing like 2001 and 2002. Forget about politics because post-9/11 and pre-War America was totally different than the post-War in terms of politics. People actually liked Bush before the Iraq War (I would know. I remember a lot of people talking about Bush being a hero around this time) but a discussion like this shouldn't even discuss politics because they really didn't make a dent in pop culture (plus, it's too American centric and I'm saying this as an American). Anyway, things got way darker in 2004, not 2002. Things were so cheesy back in 2002 that it's not even funny.

The bottom line is First true year of the 2000's is probably 2004 but the culture started around fall of 2003. 2000-2002 are totally millennium-era 90's holdovers.


Things got way darker in 2004? What do you mean?

Things got way darker in 2004? What do you mean?


Remember what I was saying on the other thread? About what a lot of people who grew up in the 90's and early 2000's think of the post-2003 world and how they miss the pre-2004 culture? I mean the majority of the people believe this, more than you think, not even a few, because I've been to many blogs and forums and I've seen it time and time again. Although I respect this guy's (JordanK1982) opinions though, I agree with a lot of his points on when the decade cultures began and ended. So it's no problem with me. I'm old enough to understand why he believes a lot of things got darker in 2004 as well.

Things got way darker in 2004? What do you mean?


Check out my post on the first page. I post some pictures of the popular trends of the time in 2000-2002 and then in 2004-2006. You'll see spiky haired pop punk kids and generally preppy photos in one and glam metal pseudo-emo kids in the other one. Even Post-Grunge wasn't that whiney and they wore more than black.

Here's just a small example
Sum 41 in 2001:
http://www.arabella.westfalen.de/Sum41/18.JPG

Sum 41 in 2002:
http://www.altpress.com/images/uploads/magazine/cover_165apr02_lg.jpg

Sum 41 in 2004:
http://www3.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/2004+Spike+TV+Video+Game+Awards+Arrivals+dnvu-DCUMMil.jpg

Definitely a more subdued look. It's less colorful, snotty and in your face and much darker with a lot of black.

Another example

Emo in 2002 (Jimmy Eat World):
http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20090420095552/lyricwiki/images/c/c1/Jimmy_Eat_World_portrait.jpg

Emo in 2004 (From First to Last):
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-cTd4O3PHBIQ/UCX1OfceqtI/AAAAAAAAAII/MDI4AbR6ImA/s320/Discogs_FromFirstToLast.jpg


Remember what I was saying on the other thread? About what a lot of people who grew up in the 90's and early 2000's think of the post-2003 world and how they miss the pre-2004 culture? I mean the majority of the people believe this, more than you think, not even a few, because I've been to many blogs and forums and I've seen it time and time again. Although I respect this guy's (JordanK1982) opinions though, I agree with a lot of his points on when the decade cultures began and ended. So it's no problem with me. I'm old enough to understand why he believes a lot of things got darker in 2004 as well.


Thanks, man! I just personally think the culture of post-2004 just wasn't for me. I really do love the culture of the 90's and 2000-2002 and most of 2003 is the true end of the 90's to a guy like me.

More examples

Pop Punk in 2002
06ES39mVRvs

2005
MLTyCu8TTNk

2002
Pkif7zqig14

2005
C6MOKXm8x50


My Chemical Romance in 2002
Z1FHpCs8tD4 (They were big fans of the Misfits and the Cure so this is more of a tribute than anything. It's also dark in a very Y2K way.)

2004 (what the hell is this!? was my first impression seeing this in 2004)
qRFhNZNu_xw

Green Day 2001 (Post 9/11 2001 to be exact. 9/11 changed pretty much nothing culturally as far as I'm concerned. Even in my daily life. Didn't shock me then and it doesn't change anything now)
xc1Uld0k4W4

2004
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Pay attention to the vibes of the different videos. 2001 and 2002 is for the most part light-hearted and happy. Not very different from the way things were in 1998 and 1999.

2003.

1990 and 1991- Still 80ish
1992- A year all on its own.
1993-1998- Core 90s.
1999-2002- Transition years, gray area.
2003- 00s finally begins.

Yeah it definitely was a gradual change.  There isn't a moment when you can really say the culture shifted.  I remember in 2002 looking back on 1999 and being able to see subtle changes but there was no 1992 or 2008 where everything seemed to change in the matter of a few months.  If we look beyond decade culture, I think the case could be made that late 1992-early 2008 was one era.

That's another reason millennium and older 00s kids probably say their 90s kids.

That's another reason millennium and older 00s kids probably say their 90s kids.


Isn't another reason is because of this internet joke that goes "the 90's ended in 2004" or something?

Remember what I was saying on the other thread? About what a lot of people who grew up in the 90's and early 2000's think of the post-2003 world and how they miss the pre-2004 culture? I mean the majority of the people believe this, more than you think, not even a few, because I've been to many blogs and forums and I've seen it time and time again. Although I respect this guy's (JordanK1982) opinions though, I agree with a lot of his points on when the decade cultures began and ended. So it's no problem with me. I'm old enough to understand why he believes a lot of things got darker in 2004 as well.


Oh, I was just curious. I agree with his points to. He's older so he knows his knowledge. While I experienced the Early 2000s probably no more then 30%.
Check out my post on the first page. I post some pictures of the popular trends of the time in 2000-2002 and then in 2004-2006. You'll see spiky haired pop punk kids and generally preppy photos in one and glam metal pseudo-emo kids in the other one. Even Post-Grunge wasn't that whiney and they wore more than black.

I seen your earlier posts, man. I admit to not really paying attention. I'm African American so I didn't look pass Hip Hop and R&B as far as music during 2004. Hip Hop and R&B was still light hearted and fun then. Those genres really made the vibe positive for me back then.

I seen your earlier posts, man. I admit to not really paying attention. I'm African American so I didn't look pass Hip Hop and R&B as far as music during 2004. Hip Hop and R&B was still light hearted and fun then. Those genres really made the vibe positive for me back then.


What did you think of 50 cent?

Oh, I was just curious. I agree with his points to. He's older so he knows his knowledge. While I experienced the Early 2000s probably no more then 30%.
I seen your earlier posts, man. I admit to not really paying attention. I'm African American so I didn't look pass Hip Hop and R&B as far as music during 2004. Hip Hop and R&B was still light hearted and fun then. Those genres really made the vibe positive for me back then.


You do have a point. Lil Jon, for example, was really upbeat during that era. I think that Hip Hop was still pretty 90's during the 2004-2006 era (aside from noticeable changes). Guys like Lil Jon and 50 Cent had been doing their style of Hip Hop since around 1997/1998 with moderate mainstream success but it wasn't until 2003 that they got really big. Plus Dr. Dre's Chronic 2001 (I prefer the first one. That's a really good album) got pretty big in 1999 and that isn't too different from 2000's Hip Hop at all. Same with Eminem's stuff but even people I know will say that The Eminem Show is his last "classic" album and that came out in 2002. Personally, I'm not a fan of Hip Hop after 1997 but then again, it's not something I'm totally big on. From the looks of it, early 2000's R&B seems a lot closer to the 90's than the 2004-2006 stuff. I just looked up some different types of videos. 2000-2003 dance and pop hits and it's pretty much just how I remembered it as it was happening. Very much YK2.

What did you think of 50 cent?


I was strangely already aware of his popularity at the time. His In The Club was constantly played on BET. My brother in law if that's how you spell it bought Get Rich Or Die Tryin' as soon as it was released. I liked it and have his memorable hits on my Ipod.
You do have a point. Lil Jon, for example, was really upbeat during that era. I think that Hip Hop was still pretty 90's during the 2004-2006 era (aside from noticeable changes). Guys like Lil Jon and 50 Cent had been doing their style of Hip Hop since around 1997/1998 with moderate mainstream success but it wasn't until 2003 that they got really big. Plus Dr. Dre's Chronic 2001 (I prefer the first one. That's a really good album) got pretty big in 1999 and that isn't too different from 2000's Hip Hop at all. Same with Eminem's stuff but even people I know will say that The Eminem Show is his last "classic" album and that came out in 2002. Personally, I'm not a fan of Hip Hop after 1997 but then again, it's not something I'm totally big on. From the looks of it, early 2000's R&B seems a lot closer to the 90's than the 2004-2006 stuff. I just looked up some different types of videos. 2000-2003 dance and pop hits and it's pretty much just how I remembered it as it was happening. Very much YK2.


Did you mean Hip Hop still being pretty 90s through 2000-2006? If you so, I agree with that. While I believe Hip Hop's last G.O.A.T ended in 2003, it was still going strong through 2004-2006 where Hip Hop really died. I'll list some examples.

2004 T.I - Bring Em Out
2005 Fort Minor - Remember The Name
2006 Ghostface Killah - Back Like That ft. Ne-Yo

These songs are pure Hip Hop that represent its last days in its struggling status.

Did you mean Hip Hop still being pretty 90s through 2000-2006? If you so, I agree with that. While I believe Hip Hop's last G.O.A.T ended in 2003, it was still going strong through 2004-2006 where Hip Hop really died. I'll list some examples.

2004 T.I - Bring Em Out
2005 Fort Minor - Remember The Name
2006 Ghostface Killah - Back Like That ft. Ne-Yo

These songs are pure Hip Hop that represent its last days in its struggling status.


Yep, that's what I'm saying. Even 50 Cent's videos from 2005 (like Candy Shop for example) still look and sounds like 1998/1999 Chronic 2001 type stuff. The only difference is that back in 1998-2002, nobody kept the stickers on the hat and they usually bent them (more common for dude's like me who weren't really into the Hip Hop stuff). Flat hats were pretty popular with Hip Hoppers all throughout the 90's but the sticker thing is definitely a very late 2003/2004 thing. Also, that's when it began to be a normal thing and not just a Hip Hop thing. Going back to the "2000's Hip Hop still being 90's" I looked up some Lil Jon and his first album is no different than Get Low or Salt Shaker but it just so happened that he finally got big in 2003. He didn't change his look or style at all.

This image is also extremely accurate for the 80's up to the 10's.

http://38.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lume1fs7YN1r1aijeo1_500.jpg

The transition from '90s to '00s was far less pronounced than the transition from '00s to '10s.  It was a very gradual change, starting in late 1997 and not completely finishing until late 2006.  I would say 2002 though was when things really felt like the '00s.  Bush was in office, post-grunge was everywhere, and we were in the midst of the post 9/11 wave of conservatism and patriotism.  Teen pop was out of style as were many other Y2K-era fads.  We had 6th generation gaming consles and PC gaming was entering its golden age during the Windows XP era.  However, the world of the '90s didn't die overnight with some aspects sticking around as late as 2006.

What '90s things were still around in 2006?

What '90s things were still around in 2006?


The '90s attitude was a distant memory by 2006. If you take out the gangsta rap and some of the grunge, the '90s overall was upbeat and very forward thinking with a promise for a brighter tomorrow. Sure, the Internet/cellphones wasn't exactly about exploring space quicker or getting flying cars, but I was led to believe that these upgrades in technology 1996-99 would lead to quicker scientific and environemntal progress along with the end of all segregatory rights among humans. While some progress indeed has been made since then such as improved healthcare, drones, discovery of more planets/more energy efficient techniques, the results would still lead you to believe that the "not in my lifetime" sentisim that was absent in the '90s started to take hold for some things such as mass-produced flying cars and human colonies on the Moon/Mars. Clearly, 9/11 was an important lesson that on Earth, enemies can and do still come out of the closet and remind us that you can't please anyone and work has to be done to scare off those enemies. The dot-com crash was another lesson that despite technology, market corrections/recessions can still occur, and of course this was exemplified with the late '00s recession. I was never a big hip hop fan, and mostly listened to classic pop/rock and lounge music (the epitome of "square") and wore mainstream fashions at the shopping mall/big box stores. Another aspect that separates the '90s/'00s is the struggle of information overload. When the Internet was young, I felt like with enough searching, I could see everything that the Internet has to offer. Now with the amount of info, I understand that sacrificing and prioritizing is more important than ever, given that despite unlimited potential, the world will still have a lot of finite objects. Remember when the only way to contact someone was by directly heading there, mailing (whether e-mail or snail), or by phone? Nowadays there are so many chat, social media, and secondary methods by phone to do so and you simply need to ignore more "junk" by subsituting an activity while it takes place (think reading a book during a TV commercial) until waiting for the important stuff comes.

The '90s attitude was a distant memory by 2006. If you take out the gangsta rap and some of the grunge, the '90s overall was upbeat and very forward thinking with a promise for a brighter tomorrow. Sure, the Internet/cellphones wasn't exactly about exploring space quicker or getting flying cars, but I was led to believe that these upgrades in technology 1996-99 would lead to quicker scientific and environemntal progress along with the end of all segregatory rights among humans. While some progress indeed has been made since then such as improved healthcare, drones, discovery of more planets/more energy efficient techniques, the results would still lead you to believe that the "not in my lifetime" sentisim that was absent in the '90s started to take hold for some things such as mass-produced flying cars and human colonies on the Moon/Mars. Clearly, 9/11 was an important lesson that on Earth, enemies can and do still come out of the closet and remind us that you can't please anyone and work has to be done to scare off those enemies. The dot-com crash was another lesson that despite technology, market corrections/recessions can still occur, and of course this was exemplified with the late '00s recession. I was never a big hip hop fan, and mostly listened to classic pop/rock and lounge music (the epitome of "square") and wore mainstream fashions at the shopping mall/big box stores. Another aspect that separates the '90s/'00s is the struggle of information overload. When the Internet was young, I felt like with enough searching, I could see everything that the Internet has to offer. Now with the amount of info, I understand that sacrificing and prioritizing is more important than ever, given that despite unlimited potential, the world will still have a lot of finite objects. Remember when the only way to contact someone was by directly heading there, mailing (whether e-mail or snail), or by phone? Nowadays there are so many chat, social media, and secondary methods by phone to do so and you simply need to ignore more "junk" by subsituting an activity while it takes place (think reading a book during a TV commercial) until waiting for the important stuff comes.


No, even without Gangsta Rap and Grunge, the 90's were still really pessimistic and nihilistic. Plus, the late 90's had the Y2K scare. It's nothing to people now but back then people were pretty afraid of the world ending or whatever. A lot of bad s**t happened in the 90's; the 1993 WTC bombing, the OKC bombings, so many school shootings with Columbine being one of the biggest (but not the first), the 1998 bombing of Iraq (the roots of the 2003 war), a couple of women's clinic and planned parenthood bombings, etc. The 90's attitude everyone loves to romanticize started to die around 1995-1997 when the Y2K culture began (but didn't fully start until 1998). I do believe that the Y2K culture is still "90's" but it's definitely a bit different than 1993-1997. The 90's were great but they weren't necessarily hopeful times (at least not 100% of the time). The happiest times of the 90's were 1990-1992 the rest were full of angst and anger. Anyway, the 90's (or Y2K, if you prefer) attitude was going strong until mid 2003, that's when the transition began. 2000, 2001 and 2002 are the post-90's 90's in my mind. In 2006, a lot of Hip Hop music was pretty similar to what was going on in 1997-1999. Listen to Lil Jon's first album, 50 Cent's first album or Dr. Dre's Chronic 2001. It's not too different than the 2003-2006 era. For the rest of the world and culture? 2002 is the last true and pure Y2K/90's holdover year. 2003 is more Y2K/90's than it is 2000's but I can't ignore the 2000's trends that started during that year. Also, a lot of things ended in 2003 that were strong in 1998-2002.

Millennium era = 1998-2003

IMO, 1998-2001 millennium era
late 2001-mid 2004 true early 00s

IMO, 1998-2001 millennium era
late 2001-mid 2004 true early 00s


Nah, I gotta disagree. I'd extend it one year. 2002 was way too much like 1998-2001 to not be included. 2003 is so/so. I also think early 2004 is too 2000's to be included in the "early 00's" era.

Nah, I gotta disagree. I'd extend it one year. 2002 was way too much like 1998-2001 to not be included. 2003 is so/so. I also think early 2004 is too 2000's to be included in the "early 00's" era.

I don't know man, Bush's first full year in office, 6th generation gaming was full swing, fear and paranoia in america following 9/11, economic prosperity was over, teen pop was past it's prime.
When I think of the early 00s culture I think of 9/11, Bush's first few years in office, the reality tv's popularity, nu metal, glam and bling bling rap music,from WWF to WWE,Lord of the rings, Harry Potter films.
When I think of the millennium period I think of Y2K, dot com bubble, Clinton's last years, N64/PS1, teen pop, WWF/WCW etc. I have always seen it that way.

My first memory was in the spring of 1991. But my memory wasn't clear until late 1992 or 1993.

So I remember 1993 to 1999.

What '90s things were still around in 2006?


Not a lot, but some residual things were still around.  By no means did 2006 have a '90s atmosphere or anything.  However, you could still get away with certain late 90s/early 00s fashion, such as khaki cargo pants.  2006 was the last year I wore them.  You could still buy a CD from Sam Goody or Wherehouse Music.  You could still shop at CompUSA and Circuit City.  Little things like that.

Nah, I gotta disagree. I'd extend it one year. 2002 was way too much like 1998-2001 to not be included. 2003 is so/so. I also think early 2004 is too 2000's to be included in the "early 00's" era.


I consider the millennium era to be the entire years of 1998-2002, with 1997 being the transition from core 90's to millennial era, and 2003 being the transition from millennial era to core 2000's. Although would still say that late 2003/early 2004 had the last gasp of leftovers that were popular since the very late 90's, that were quickly coming to an end. By mid 2004 the changes were all in full effect and it was 100% core 2000's.

2001.

I remember when all the crazy denim outfits took of, like when Britney Spears and Justin Timberflakes---Timberlake--wore matching denim outfits to an awards show.some time after that, I saw Michael Jackson in a denim suit. I looked at him, I looked at the suit and I said hmm, there's something I missed. And proceeded to spend the next five years in blue jean disasters. The frivolous denim of the early 00s. When that arrived, I was like, "we're here."
https://40.media.tumblr.com/b996d248778f1251e080353e123ebb52/tumblr_nw6i0vGUHx1sckw50o1_400.png <---If he couldn't make it work, why in God's name did I think my jeans like that looked COOL?

I used to say it was 2004, but now it's 2001-02 because many trends from the late 90s had disappeared by then although there was a gradual change of the atmosphere during the time period.

Additionally, here's my chart regarding the eras.

1990s

1990-1993: early 90s

1993-1997: mid 90s

1998-2001: Millennial/Y2K era

2000s

2001-2003: early 00s

2004-2007: mid 00s

2008-2013: 1st Electropop era

Remember there can't be cutoff dates of when periods begin and end as it's absurd considering that there are gradual changes regardless of an era and a year can/could be a transition instead. 

I don't know man, Bush's first full year in office, 6th generation gaming was full swing, fear and paranoia in america following 9/11, economic prosperity was over, teen pop was past it's prime.
When I think of the early 00s culture I think of 9/11, Bush's first few years in office, the reality tv's popularity, nu metal, glam and bling bling rap music,from WWF to WWE,Lord of the rings, Harry Potter films.
When I think of the millennium period I think of Y2K, dot com bubble, Clinton's last years, N64/PS1, teen pop, WWF/WCW etc. I have always seen it that way.


Trust me on this one, teen pop is a very 1999-2000 thing. Started in 1997, peaked in 1999 and 2000 and died off in (early) 2001 and 2002. And that's just in America. It was still huge until 2003 in Europe. Also, those are just the boybands. Justin and Britney were still big in 2002 and 2003. Remember, Bush got into office in January of 2001 so even pre-9/11 2001 had Bush. I don't consider politics when it comes to any of this stuff because they didn't have a huge effect on anything pop culturally or on my life. Nu Metal got really big around 1998 with Limp Bizkit's Significant Other and in 1996 with Slipknot before them, glam and bling bling rap is all 2003, not 2002. I consider LOTR and Harry Potter to be Y2K films, especially LOTR because it went from 2001-2003, the last N64 game was released 2002 and it was discontinued in 2003 but if you really look at it, Nintendo sorta abandoned the console in early 2001. I remember my more game-savvy friends telling me the 5th generation was dead in early (very very early) 2001. Why? They said that the PS2 killed off the 5th generation. I disagree with that but that's just one perspective on the matter. The PS1 had a good amount of games throughout 2002 and even 2003 so I consider those years the last years of the 5th generation. I will give you that for the WWE, though.


I consider the millennium era to be the entire years of 1998-2002, with 1997 being the transition from core 90's to millennial era, and 2003 being the transition from millennial era to core 2000's. Although would still say that late 2003/early 2004 had the last gasp of leftovers that were popular since the very late 90's, that were quickly coming to an end. By mid 2004 the changes were all in full effect and it was 100% core 2000's.


THANK YOU! Finally someone else on here who see's it the way I do. I totally agree with you but I will add that 1996 also felt like a transitional year for me, too. Both those years also feel more mid 90's than Y2K. 1998-2002 are the core Y2K years and I am hellbent on defending 2001 and 2002, the last truly great years of pop culture and how they are pure Y2K years (not trying to sound like an ass to those who like the post-2003 years, just expressing my opinion is all). 2003 feels more Y2K than it did 2000's, whereas early 2004 felt more 2000's than Y2K. 

Trust me on this one, teen pop is a very 1999-2000 thing. Started in 1997, peaked in 1999 and 2000 and died off in (early) 2001 and 2002. And that's just in America. It was still huge until 2003 in Europe. Also, those are just the boybands. Justin and Britney were still big in 2002 and 2003. Remember, Bush got into office in January of 2001 so even pre-9/11 2001 had Bush. I don't consider politics when it comes to any of this stuff because they didn't have a huge effect on anything pop culturally or on my life. Nu Metal got really big around 1998 with Limp Bizkit's Significant Other and in 1996 with Slipknot before them, glam and bling bling rap is all 2003, not 2002. I consider LOTR and Harry Potter to be Y2K films, especially LOTR because it went from 2001-2003, the last N64 game was released 2002 and it was discontinued in 2003 but if you really look at it, Nintendo sorta abandoned the console in early 2001. I remember my more game-savvy friends telling me the 5th generation was dead in early (very very early) 2001. Why? They said that the PS2 killed off the 5th generation. I disagree with that but that's just one perspective on the matter. The PS1 had a good amount of games throughout 2002 and even 2003 so I consider those years the last years of the 5th generation. I will give you that for the WWE, though.

How can you completely exclude politics from cultural discussions? They're totally relevant because they shape the social landscape through which people perceive the world and conduct their lives. Political movements within forms of media are often intrinsically linked to federal and international politics. The emergence of gangsta rap in the early 90s was made possible precisely because of the marginalization African Americans received during the Reagan years, plus the crack epidemic of 1984. Without the presidency of George W. Bush, we never would have had Green Day's American Idiot, a concept album whose thesis was a direct attack against Bush '43's policies in office. Following 9/11, superhero movies and films with dark, introspective moods became the standard in Hollywood, in contrast to cheese-fests like Men in Black and The Phantom Menace. Politics aren't just insignificant banter between old, crusty world leaders; they're a reflection of the attitudes and social conflicts of the present-day culture.

How can you completely exclude politics from cultural discussions? They're totally relevant because they shape the social landscape through which people perceive the world and conduct their lives. Political movements within forms of media are often intrinsically linked to federal and international politics. The emergence of gangsta rap in the early 90s was made possible precisely because of the marginalization African Americans received during the Reagan years, plus the crack epidemic of 1984. Without the presidency of George W. Bush, we never would have had Green Day's American Idiot, a concept album whose thesis was a direct attack against Bush '43's policies in office. Following 9/11, superhero movies and films with dark, introspective moods became the standard in Hollywood, in contrast to cheese-fests like Men in Black and The Phantom Menace. Politics aren't just insignificant banter between old, crusty world leaders; they're a reflection of the attitudes and social conflicts of the present-day culture.


No one wants to remember George W. Bush. That was an 8 year long bad dream. Before he got in office, I had never heard the word "terrorist" before and had never seen anything like 9/11 before. I felt safe. Look how long its been since I've felt safe. I was 15 when 9/11 happened. I'm 29. That's almost HALF my life I haven't felt safe and secure in my own country anymore. I'd rather be like everyone else focusing on the pop culture and music and who wears saggy pants because it was a nice distraction from the real sadness at hand. I'd rather discuss the new Mandy Moore song or what Aaliyah wore in her new music video because we heard plenty about politics and all between the news, our teachers and our folks. Especially when my French teacher was in the reserves and got shipped overseas the year after I graduated. He came home safe but I still remember the day he left for training and everyone was crying and hugging him. Even the boys. Let the people remember the frivolous stuff. It's better than the tragedies..

How can you completely exclude politics from cultural discussions? They're totally relevant because they shape the social landscape through which people perceive the world and conduct their lives. Political movements within forms of media are often intrinsically linked to federal and international politics. The emergence of gangsta rap in the early 90s was made possible precisely because of the marginalization African Americans received during the Reagan years, plus the crack epidemic of 1984. Without the presidency of George W. Bush, we never would have had Green Day's American Idiot, a concept album whose thesis was a direct attack against Bush '43's policies in office. Following 9/11, superhero movies and films with dark, introspective moods became the standard in Hollywood, in contrast to cheese-fests like Men in Black and The Phantom Menace. Politics aren't just insignificant banter between old, crusty world leaders; they're a reflection of the attitudes and social conflicts of the present-day culture.


I don't completely exclude politics but I don't feel the Y2K era had too much to do with politics. They're important to a point but they didn't effect the popular culture that much at all. People over exaggerate the importance of them, plus they only focus on America as if it's the only country in the world. American Idiot was not a concept album against Bush. It was marketed that way but it only had two political songs at most. It literally had next to nothing to do with politics. They just used that as a selling point. But yeah, I guess without good ol' Dubya, we wouldn't have that album... And I wish that had happened. That album was the end of the good Green Day. But I'm glad that all of mommy's little political activists, the ones I met in 2004, were inspired to rally against the evil government that is George W. Bush with songs about walking alone, forgetting girls names and sleeping until September ends. Real political stuff. I'd rather listen to Zen Arcade by Husker Du. Now that's a concept album. There are many reason's why gangsta rap got big in the 90's, I could point to groups like Run DMC and the Beastie Boys but I don't want to get into an 80's/early 90's hip hop discussion. No, that is not the case at all. Both Spider-Man (2002) and Daredevil (2003) are very cheesy movies. Even 2005 had it's fair share of cheese with the Fantastic Four and Son of the Mask. X-Men, Blade and Spawn came out in 2000, 1998 and 1997 and those movies are pretty serious and un-cheesy. Attack of the Clones was also very, very cheesy and that is a 2002 movie (unless you think lines about hating sand because it gets in your feet makes a movie super dark and serious). Super Hero movies are hit or miss when it comes to being cheesy or dark. Politics are pretty much old, crusty leaders who are supposed to represent the people but don't do a good job of doing so. Most of them cause the social conflicts, anyway. I don't define cultural era's by presidents and politics as if they're the end all to be all of the culture. And as far as I'm concerned, the Y2K era still ended in 2003/2004. Not on 9/11 or anytime in 2002. I stood by that 10 years ago and I still will today. 9/11 is just another Y2K event much like Columbine.


No one wants to remember George W. Bush. That was an 8 year long bad dream. Before he got in office, I had never heard the word "terrorist" before and had never seen anything like 9/11 before. I felt safe. Look how long its been since I've felt safe. I was 15 when 9/11 happened. I'm 29. That's almost HALF my life I haven't felt safe and secure in my own country anymore. I'd rather be like everyone else focusing on the pop culture and music and who wears saggy pants because it was a nice distraction from the real sadness at hand. I'd rather discuss the new Mandy Moore song or what Aaliyah wore in her new music video because we heard plenty about politics and all between the news, our teachers and our folks. Especially when my French teacher was in the reserves and got shipped overseas the year after I graduated. He came home safe but I still remember the day he left for training and everyone was crying and hugging him. Even the boys. Let the people remember the frivolous stuff. It's better than the tragedies..


Personally, I didn't care about 9/11 when it was happening and I didn't feel in danger. If anything, I was more scared way back when hearing about the 1993 bombing because I was a kid then. Even Columbine didn't scare me and I was still in High School when that happened. When 9/11 happened, I just shook my head at the idiots who run our country, turned off the TV and went on with my day.

Not a lot, but some residual things were still around.  By no means did 2006 have a '90s atmosphere or anything.  However, you could still get away with certain late 90s/early 00s fashion, such as khaki cargo pants.  2006 was the last year I wore them.  You could still buy a CD from Sam Goody or Wherehouse Music.  You could still shop at CompUSA and Circuit City.  Little things like that.

Not to mention how 2006 fashion was still plain.

No one wants to remember George W. Bush. That was an 8 year long bad dream. Before he got in office, I had never heard the word "terrorist" before and had never seen anything like 9/11 before. I felt safe. Look how long its been since I've felt safe. I was 15 when 9/11 happened. I'm 29. That's almost HALF my life I haven't felt safe and secure in my own country anymore. I'd rather be like everyone else focusing on the pop culture and music and who wears saggy pants because it was a nice distraction from the real sadness at hand. I'd rather discuss the new Mandy Moore song or what Aaliyah wore in her new music video because we heard plenty about politics and all between the news, our teachers and our folks. Especially when my French teacher was in the reserves and got shipped overseas the year after I graduated. He came home safe but I still remember the day he left for training and everyone was crying and hugging him. Even the boys. Let the people remember the frivolous stuff. It's better than the tragedies..


It was actually a nice dream compared to the 8 year nightmare of Obama.

I used to say it was 2004, but now it's 2001-02 because many trends from the late 90s had disappeared by then although there was a gradual change of the atmosphere during the time period.

Additionally, here's my chart regarding the eras.

1990s

1990-1993: early 90s

1993-1997: mid 90s

1998-2001: Millennial/Y2K era

2000s

2001-2003: early 00s

2004-2007: mid 00s

2008-2013: 1st Electropop era

Remember there can't be cutoff dates of when periods begin and end as it's absurd considering that there are gradual changes regardless of an era and a year can/could be a transition instead.


Here's how I would break down the era's, which usually start/end in the middle of a year.

Mid 1989 - Mid 1993: The early 90's era (Gangsta rap, New Jack Swing, dance/house, Aresnio, TGIF on ABC, Simpsons, neon colors, Bush Sr. single term)
Mid 1993 - Mid 1997: The mid 90's era (Alternative rock, Friends, Bill Clinton's 1st term, Microsoft, Starbucks)
Mid 1997 - Mid 2001: The millenium/Y2K era, internet boom, Clinton's 2nd term
Mid 2001 - Mid 2005: The early 00's (Post 9/11 era, paranoia, GWB's first term and his high support)
Mid 2005 - Mid 2009: The mid-to-late 00's (Transition from hip-hop to EDM, GWB's second term and declining popularity)
Mid 2009 - Mid 2013: The Obama, electropop, and hipster era
Mid 2013 - Mid 2017: Obama's 2nd term, more bland culture/generic pop music

Here's my breakdown of the eras, beginning with the 60s because I'm a history fanatic.  I included the periods that specific sub-eras were dominant at the time, but since there's always so much overlap between sub-periods, I also included the earliest and latest points with culture that I would accept as belonging to that era, even if it was not dominant yet.

For the 60s:

Early 60s - Early/Mid-1959 to Early 1966 (Dominant Early 1961 to November 22, 1963)
Mid-60s - Late 1962 to Mid-1968 (Dominant November 22, 1963 to Early 1967)
Late 60s - Mid-1966 to Early 1973 (Dominant Early-Mid 1967 to Early 1970)

For the 70s:

Early 70s - Early 1969 to Mid-1975 (Dominant Mid-1970 to August 8, 1974)
Mid-70s - Late 1972 to Mid-1979 (Dominant August 9, 1974 to Mid-1977)
Late 70s - Late 1976 to Mid-1982 (Dominant Mid-1977 to Late 1980)

For the 80s:

Early 80s - Late 1979 to Late 1983 (Dominant Early 1981 to Late 1983)
Mid-80s - Mid-1983 to Late 1988 (Dominant Late 1983/Early 1984 to Mid-1988)
Late 80s - Late 1986 to Early 1993 (Dominant Late 1988 to Early/Mid-1991)

For the 90s:

Early 90s - Late 1989 to Mid-1994 (Dominant Mid-1991 to Early/Mid-1994)
Mid-90s - Mid-1993 to Mid-1997 (Dominant Mid-1994 to January 1997)
Late 90s - Late 1996 to Late 2001 (Dominant February 1997 to September 11, 2001)

For the 2000s:

Early 2000s - Mid-2000 to Early/Mid-2004 (Dominant September 11, 2001 to Late 2003)
Mid-2000s - Late 2003 to Mid-2006 (Dominant Late 2003 to Mid-2006)
Late 2000s - Late 2005 to Early 2010 (Dominant Late 2006 to Late 2008)

For the 2010s:

Early 2010s - Mid/Late 2008 to Mid-2013 (Dominant Early 2009 to Late 2012)
Mid-2010s - Mid-2012 to present (Dominant Early 2013 to present)

Here's my breakdown of the eras, beginning with the 60s because I'm a history fanatic.  I included the periods that specific sub-eras were dominant at the time, but since there's always so much overlap between sub-periods, I also included the earliest and latest points with culture that I would accept as belonging to that era, even if it was not dominant yet.

For the 60s:

Early 60s - Early/Mid-1959 to Early 1966 (Dominant Early 1961 to November 22, 1963)
Mid-60s - Late 1962 to Mid-1968 (Dominant November 22, 1963 to Early 1967)
Late 60s - Mid-1966 to Early 1973 (Dominant Early-Mid 1967 to Early 1970)

For the 70s:

Early 70s - Early 1969 to Mid-1975 (Dominant Mid-1970 to August 8, 1974)
Mid-70s - Late 1972 to Mid-1979 (Dominant August 9, 1974 to Mid-1977)
Late 70s - Late 1976 to Mid-1982 (Dominant Mid-1977 to Late 1980)

For the 80s:

Early 80s - Late 1979 to Late 1983 (Dominant Early 1981 to Late 1983)
Mid-80s - Mid-1983 to Late 1988 (Dominant Late 1983/Early 1984 to Mid-1988)
Late 80s - Late 1986 to Early 1993 (Dominant Late 1988 to Early/Mid-1991)

For the 90s:

Early 90s - Late 1989 to Mid-1994 (Dominant Mid-1991 to Early/Mid-1994)
Mid-90s - Mid-1994 to Mid-1997 (Dominant Mid-1994 to January 1997)
Late 90s - Late 1996 to Late 2001 (Dominant February 1997 to September 11, 2001)

For the 2000s:

Early 2000s - Mid-2000 to Early/Mid-2004 (Dominant September 11, 2001 to Late 2003)
Mid-2000s - Late 2003 to Mid-2006 (Dominant Late 2003 to Mid-2006)
Late 2000s - Early 2006 to Early 2010s (Dominant Late 2006 to Late 2008)

For the 2010s:

Early 2010s - Mid/Late 2008 to Mid-2013 (Dominant Early 2009 to Late 2012)
Mid-2010s - Mid-2012 to present (Dominant Early 2013 to present)


This is very accurate, especially the 80's,90's, & 00's

This is very accurate, especially the 80's,90's, & 00's


I just decided to change a few boundaries, but thanks!

No one wants to remember George W. Bush. That was an 8 year long bad dream. Before he got in office, I had never heard the word "terrorist" before and had never seen anything like 9/11 before. I felt safe. Look how long its been since I've felt safe. I was 15 when 9/11 happened. I'm 29. That's almost HALF my life I haven't felt safe and secure in my own country anymore. I'd rather be like everyone else focusing on the pop culture and music and who wears saggy pants because it was a nice distraction from the real sadness at hand. I'd rather discuss the new Mandy Moore song or what Aaliyah wore in her new music video because we heard plenty about politics and all between the news, our teachers and our folks. Especially when my French teacher was in the reserves and got shipped overseas the year after I graduated. He came home safe but I still remember the day he left for training and everyone was crying and hugging him. Even the boys. Let the people remember the frivolous stuff. It's better than the tragedies..

Tell that to the thousands that were killed in terrorist plane hijacking prior to 9/11. Not so safe was it. People just turned a blind eye.

I just decided to change a few boundaries, but thanks!


2004

The first week back to school in 2001
a few days before 9/11, the vibe felt different

The first week back to school in 2001
a few days before 9/11, the vibe felt different


I can go with that.  I posted in this thread back in 2015 and said that 2002 was the year, but the fall school year in 2001 definitely had an '00s feel and was very different from the previous spring, which felt far more late 90s/Y2K.

I think 2002 or 2003.

Um, Jan 1, 2000.

I mean, we certainly hyped the fk outta that number for at least two years, didn't we?

If you're referring to stereotypical 2000s, I'd say some time in 2003. 2002 kind of maintained a y2kish identity but it was obviously in decline.

If you're referring to when I realized it wasn't the 90s anymore, I'd say when I watched Bring It On opening weekend. Before that, I kind of felt a similar way when I watched Coyote Ugly and X-Men back to back. After looking at the dates of those movies, I saw all three in August of 2000.

I remember seeing Final Destination in March of 2000, but something still felt kind of 90s at that time.

I can go with that.  I posted in this thread back in 2015 and said that 2002 was the year, but the fall school year in 2001 definitely had an '00s feel and was very different from the previous spring, which felt far more late 90s/Y2K.


This 100%, I Remember the first week going back to school in the Fall of 2001, everything felt different, The Teen pop that was on the air in the summer transformed to more mature pop  (Britney Spears Slave) Shakiras Whenver wherever and its mature sexual tones,  The Alt rock with Michelle Branch, people in school were also becoming more sexual in nature, it was quite the trans formative school year. American Pie 2 being the number movie in theaters those first 2 months really solidified the feel. as well as GTA 3 becoming a mature type on game and it was a pop culture phenomenon, not not mention everyone in class was hyped with DVD , everything about it felt like OK.... The 2000s culture has started/

I think 2002 or 2003.


late 2001- early 2002

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