I know a lot of them say things like "the 90s lasted until 2005" and things like that.
I mean mid 90s babies through early 2000s babies think this.

I know a lot of them say things like "the 90s lasted until 2005" and things like that.
I mean mid 90s babies through early 2000s babies think this.
I think its because there wasnt much technology like how it is today and that most kids were still playing outside and a variety of things instead of being inside all day on the phone, tab, and Ipad. Another thing is that there was alot of face to face conversation, dial-up internet, VHS players, PS1/N64 and PS2/Xbox/GC gaming along with offline gaming. 90s artists/bands still making music. fashion didnt change yet. social media was just AOL and early Myspace. entertainment wasnt just TV, it was also newspaper, radio, and reading books. Film cameras were still bring used. MP3s/Discmans were the music players before Ipods. Even though there were cellphones, most people still didnt have one and usually used the home phones or payphones. TV quality was still SD resolution with a bulky TV. Last, desktops were still used widely before laptops took over even though they did exist during that time.

The deeper we get into the 2010s, the more I think how similar to the 90s at least the early 2000s were. But this is only due to the fact that so much happened between 2002 and today, especially when it comes to technology. In Addition, nowadays we are further away from the early 00s today than we were from the 90s back then...

On the other hand - younger people do not really know the 90s or only remember the late 90s, and on the surface, 1998 and 2004 were pretty similar.

I think its because there wasnt much technology like how it is today and that most kids were still playing outside and a variety of things instead of being inside all day on the phone, tab, and Ipad. Another thing is that there was alot of face to face conversation, dial-up internet, VHS players, PS1/N64 and PS2/Xbox/GC gaming along with offline gaming. 90s artists/bands still making music


In my opinion, the last pieces of the 'old world' you are talking about really ended in 1994/95. Even I only barely remember this time. From the late 90s on, everything was about technology and the good old days were over.

To be honest, the last children who really had a 'classic childhood', are born in the early-mid 60s (children of the 70s/early 80s).

In my opinion, the last pieces of the 'old world' you are talking about really ended in 1994/95. Even I only barely remember this time. From the late 90s on, everything was about technology and the good old days were over.

To be honest, the last children who really had a 'classic childhood', are born in the early-mid 60s (children of the 70s/early 80s).


I'm very glad I have a good memory because I vividly remember the pre 1996 era or really pre 1997 era. It seems we are some of the last to remember.

In my opinion, the last pieces of the 'old world' you are talking about really ended in 1994/95. Even I only barely remember this time. From the late 90s on, everything was about technology and the good old days were over.

To be honest, the last children who really had a 'classic childhood', are born in the early-mid 60s (children of the 70s/early 80s).
By classic childhood, do you mean kids playing outside all day long without any source of technology? As for the last pieces, do you mean the VHS player, Walkman/Discman, and Desktops?

My primary school years were 1996 till 2004, and whatever happened in the world, for myself I see that period as one thing. Nintendo, pokemon and cheesy eurodance went together with regular playing outdoor, just doing things a child does; whether or not one sees the later 90s as different from the mid 90s, I feel it certainly was one period with the early 00s

I used to think this, but as I listen to more 90s music and watch more 90s TV shows and movies I find out that this is not the case. I wouldn't say the early years are like the 90s, because you're taking the entire decade into consideration. JUST the late 90s, and that's it.

By classic childhood, do you mean kids playing outside all day long without any source of technology? As for the last pieces, do you mean the VHS player, Walkman/Discman, and Desktops?


Yes. And by "last pieces" I mean the time when it was still special to have a computer.

Yes. And by "last pieces" I mean the time when it was still special to have a computer.
You mean a time where it was special before everyone had one?

By classic childhood, do you mean kids playing outside all day long without any source of technology? As for the last pieces, do you mean the VHS player, Walkman/Discman, and Desktops?


They didn't really have technology as much as we do now. Kids played outside sometimes and they had a VHS player, Walkman/Discman and some of them owned a desktop.

They didn't really have technology as much as we do now. Kids played outside sometimes and they had a VHS player, Walkman/Discman and some of them owned a desktop.
Except Desktops were still family use and not just for personal use.

Yes. And by "last pieces" I mean the time when it was still special to have a computer.


It was still "special" to have a computer in 2000. I remember because most people in my 5th grade class did not have one and acted shocked when I told them I did.

Personally, I believe the 1990's lasted January 1, 1990 to December 31, 1999, just like the 2000's lasted from January 1, 2000 to December 31, 2009. You can't extend the dates of decades or omit portions just because you liked or didn't like those years.

Because when most of them think of 'the 90s' they think 1998-2004.
The early 2000s were very similar to the late 90s, obviously, but the early-to-mid 90s were very different. Of course the early part of a decade is going to be similar to the previous one, that's just plain obvious.

That's because people who tended to be children during a decade focus on the later parts rather than the early and middle years. Therefore, 90s babies/00s kids think "ooh, the 90s continued as far as 2005!" This is clearly ridiculous as I do not share this same view with my peers. Ultimately, my generation's opinion doesn't matter when it comes to the 2000s as we were only children and the mainstream stuff wasn't targeted at us. The 2010s is our generation. The people who's opinions do matter are the 2000s teens and young adults – the people born in the 80s. This is because they actually lived the decade, were the target audience of the mainstream culture, and they experienced all of the good and bad of the decade. Basically, people like KatanaChick, Inlandsvagen1986, unconventional99, and 80sfan. They are 80s babies, 90s kids, and 2000s teens/young adults.

That's because people who tended to be children during a decade focus on the later parts rather than the early and middle years. Therefore, 90s babies/00s kids think "ooh, the 90s continued as far as 2005!" This is clearly ridiculous as I do not share this same view with my peers. Ultimately, my generation's opinion doesn't matter when it comes to the 2000s as we were only children and the mainstream stuff wasn't targeted at us. The 2010s is our generation. The people who's opinions do matter are the 2000s teens and young adults – the people born in the 80s. This is because they actually lived the decade, were the target audience of the mainstream culture, and they experienced all of the good and bad of the decade. Basically, people like KatanaChick, Inlandsvagen1986, unconventional99, and 80sfan. They are 80s babies, 90s kids, and 2000s teens/young adults.
actually, the early 90s babies were not children during most of the 2000s so the mainstream stuff was targeted at them as well (The targeted audience for the mainstream stuff are people from 10/11 to 25 years old). People born in 1990 were in middle and high school from 2001/02 to 2008/09. 1991 babies were in middle and high school from 2002/03 to 2009/10. 1992 babies were in middle and high school from 2003/04 to 2010/11. Last, 1993 babies were in middle and high school from 2004/05 to 2011/12. Therefore, the early 90s babies' opinions do matter as you if ask them anything about the 2000s, they are definitely going to remember the culture and all its aspects. As for the 90s continuing in until 2005, Visor, you're right, Thats wrong because to me, the 90s were over by 2002/03 as there was a new generation of gaming already (GC/PS2/Xbox). New artists (Nelly, Kelly Clarkson, JT going solo, 50 Cent, Ludacris, Avril Lavigne, Maroon 5, Ashanti, Beyonce going solo, and Nickelback). Fashion was changing. The culture was shifting. New actors in movies and TV shows. Cartoons being crystal clear and not fuzzy. The Iraq war began and Last, there was the rise of reality TV (the good kind).

00:00 on January 1, 2000 is literally right next to 23:59 on December 31, 1999. So amazingly, the two decades are actually pretty close to each other, and that is probably why people think they were similar at certain points. How much did your life change in that minute?

As for the 90s continuing in until 2005, Visor, you're right, Thats wrong because to me, the 90s were over by 2002/03 as there was a new generation of gaming already


I look at the 90s from different perspectives. There was my earlier childhood in the early 90s and if I look at them today, they seem pretty late 80s. I only barely remember them and therefore I do not think of them primarily when I think of the 90s. Then there are the peak 90s - a time I associate the most with my childhood (early/mid 90s, ca. 1992-1997). Finally, there are the very modern late 90s and I associate them with my late childhood and early teens (late 1997-1999). From today's perspective, the years up to 2004 were a continuation of this last part of the 90s, but nothing more (rise of the internet in households for example, rising  popularity of home computers in every household). This time however had nothing to do with the time prior to 1997. It's very hard for me to compare the whole 90s with the early 00s. They were just too different.

If people think of the 90s when they talk about the first half of the 00s, they were probably still children then (late 90s/early 00s children = born between 1991~96).

I used to think this, but as I listen to more 90s music and watch more 90s TV shows and movies I find out that this is not the case. I wouldn't say the early years are like the 90s, because you're taking the entire decade into consideration. JUST the late 90s, and that's it.


I agree.  It was the same for me.  During the first half of the '00s I didn't think of them as that different from the '90s but looking back I can definitely see that they were.  The Pre-9/11 part of the '00s had the most '90s feel to them but even that was late-'90s.  There was a HUGE difference between 1995 and 2001, for moreso than 2005 and 2011 respectively.  I think young people lump the '00s in with the '90s because the only '90s they remember were the latter part of the decade.  Many things that were popular in 2000-2002 got their start in the late '90s.  Also not everyone is on the cutting edge.  For me, I had an N64 in 2000 and 2001 but many had already moved on to PS2 and Xbox.

As an '80s-baby, I rightfully categorize Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles and Transformers as '80s fads, but a lot of people my age group them with the '90s.

I look at the 90s from different perspectives. There was my earlier childhood in the early 90s and if I look at them today, they seem pretty late 80s. I only barely remember them and therefore I do not think of them primarily when I think of the 90s. Then there are the peak 90s - a time I associate the most with my childhood (early/mid 90s, ca. 1992-1997). Finally, there are the very modern late 90s and I associate them with my late childhood and early teens (late 1997-1999). From today's perspective, the years up to 2004 were a continuation of this last part of the 90s, but nothing more (rise of the internet in households for example, rising  popularity of home computers in every household). This time however had nothing to do with the time prior to 1997. It's very hard for me to compare the whole 90s with the early 00s. They were just too different.

If people think of the 90s when they talk about the first half of the 00s, they were probably still children then (late 90s/early 00s children = born between 1991~96).
When I think of 90s, I think of SNES, N64, early childhood, early nicktoons, early cartoon network, 90s hip-hop and R&B, 90s live-action shows, desktops, dial-up internet, 90s fashion, toys, great economy (items being cheap), and my family partying all day and night.

Except Desktops were still family use and not just for personal use.


now people could take their portable desktops with them everywhere.

When I think of 90s, I think of SNES, N64, early childhood, early nicktoons, early cartoon network, 90s hip-hop and R&B, 90s live-action shows, desktops, dial-up internet, 90s fashion, toys, great economy (items being cheap), and my family partying all day and night.


Don't forget the 90's sitcoms too.

When I think of 90s...


... I think of the original Nintendo Gameboy, Ace of Base (when it comes to music), no internet, no cell phone, VHS, bulky TVs, cartoons (The Flintstons - there were a lot of reruns from this 60s show in the 90s!), sitcoms, game shows like the German versions of "Wheel of Fortune" or "Let's make a deal" (those were only on air from the late 80s to the early 00s over here), elementary school, piano lessons, swimming lessons - all of my childhood -...

I agree.  It was the same for me.  During the first half of the '00s I didn't think of them as that different from the '90s but looking back I can definitely see that they were.  The Pre-9/11 part of the '00s had the most '90s feel to them but even that was late-'90s.  There was a HUGE difference between 1995 and 2001, for moreso than 2005 and 2011 respectively.  I think young people lump the '00s in with the '90s because the only '90s they remember were the latter part of the decade.  Many things that were popular in 2000-2002 got their start in the late '90s.  Also not everyone is on the cutting edge.  For me, I had an N64 in 2000 and 2001 but many had already moved on to PS2 and Xbox.

As an '80s-baby, I rightfully categorize Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles and Transformers as '80s fads, but a lot of people my age group them with the '90s.


Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles both 80s and 90s so it wouldn't be inaccurate to call it 90s. Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles ran from 1987-1996 and it was most popular in the early 90s. Married with Children had a similar run but nobody calls it an 80s show. Transformers is an 80s show because the original run was all in the 80s, same with Inspector Gadget.

... I think of the original Nintendo Gameboy, Ace of Base (when it comes to music), no internet, no cell phone, VHS, bulky TVs, cartoons (The Flintstons - there were a lot of reruns from this 60s show in the 90s!), sitcoms, game shows like the German versions of "Wheel of Fortune" or "Let's make a deal" (those were only on air from the late 80s to the early 00s over here), elementary school, piano lessons, swimming lessons - all of my childhood -...
Everything I bolded is what I also had/did/watched in the 90s. Also, Dont forget the price is right and Jeopardy as they are game shows as well. More things I had in the 90s was a Sega game gear, LA Lakers jersey, Dallas Cowboys jersey, a big swing, a record player and when we had to turn to channel 3 or 4 to play games.

I see this all the time on Youtube comments on music videos or lyric videos of songs from 2000 to 2002.

It's the same as me when I was younger, when I was a kid in 1996 I would think a music video from 1991 was from the 80s and grouped it in with the 80s.

That's because people who tended to be children during a decade focus on the later parts rather than the early and middle years.

Kind of the opposite with me. Born in 1982. I  thought of myself as an 80's kid. Fun childhood memories, but I didn't really consider the late 80's "the true real 80's" for a long time.

I agree.  It was the same for me.  During the first half of the '00s I didn't think of them as that different from the '90s but looking back I can definitely see that they were.  The Pre-9/11 part of the '00s had the most '90s feel to them but even that was late-'90s.  There was a HUGE difference between 1995 and 2001, for moreso than 2005 and 2011 respectively.  I think young people lump the '00s in with the '90s because the only '90s they remember were the latter part of the decade.  Many things that were popular in 2000-2002 got their start in the late '90s.  Also not everyone is on the cutting edge.  For me, I had an N64 in 2000 and 2001 but many had already moved on to PS2 and Xbox.

As an '80s-baby, I rightfully categorize Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles and Transformers as '80s fads, but a lot of people my age group them with the '90s.

I kind of consider Ninja Turtles 80's and 90's. The cartoon lasted well into the 90's.

I see this all the time on Youtube comments on music videos or lyric videos of songs from 2000 to 2002.

It's the same as me when I was younger, when I was a kid in 1996 I would think a music video from 1991 was from the 80s and grouped it in with the 80s.


I was the opposite. I would link things from 1989 with the early 90s.

I agree.  It was the same for me.  During the first half of the '00s I didn't think of them as that different from the '90s but looking back I can definitely see that they were.  The Pre-9/11 part of the '00s had the most '90s feel to them but even that was late-'90s.  There was a HUGE difference between 1995 and 2001, for moreso than 2005 and 2011 respectively.  I think young people lump the '00s in with the '90s because the only '90s they remember were the latter part of the decade.  Many things that were popular in 2000-2002 got their start in the late '90s.  Also not everyone is on the cutting edge.  For me, I had an N64 in 2000 and 2001 but many had already moved on to PS2 and Xbox.

As an '80s-baby, I rightfully categorize Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles and Transformers as '80s fads, but a lot of people my age group them with the '90s.


I disagree. I see a very noticeable difference between 2005 and 2011. Especially in politics and the music, two completely different universes.

I think its because there wasnt much technology like how it is today and that most kids were still playing outside and a variety of things instead of being inside all day on the phone, tab, and Ipad. Another thing is that there was alot of face to face conversation, dial-up internet, VHS players, PS1/N64 and PS2/Xbox/GC gaming along with offline gaming. 90s artists/bands still making music. fashion didnt change yet. social media was just AOL and early Myspace. entertainment wasnt just TV, it was also newspaper, radio, and reading books. Film cameras were still bring used. MP3s/Discmans were the music players before Ipods. Even though there were cellphones, most people still didnt have one and usually used the home phones or payphones. TV quality was still SD resolution with a bulky TV. Last, desktops were still used widely before laptops took over even though they did exist during that time.

Like I said before, there will always be carry over. In the 90's I first had a tape player, then in jr. high I finally had a portable CD player. Through the 2000's more people used portable CD players than MP3 players. 90's bands were still playing, but they'd evolve over the years. I know all music does that, and I really hear the differences now. There are some bands played now who were first popular last decade and they're very different from when I first heard them.


In my opinion, the last pieces of the 'old world' you are talking about really ended in 1994/95. Even I only barely remember this time. From the late 90s on, everything was about technology and the good old days were over.

To be honest, the last children who really had a 'classic childhood', are born in the early-mid 60s (children of the 70s/early 80s).

Not really, because in the 80's and 90's maybe there was more indoor stuff to do, but kids still used their imagination and played outside and were encouraged to do so. If we played indoors it was with toys, because most kids I knew weren't allowed to make a day of video games and sit around the house back then. I wasn't.


Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles both 80s and 90s so it wouldn't be inaccurate to call it 90s. Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles ran from 1987-1996 and it was most popular in the early 90s. Married with Children had a similar run but nobody calls it an 80s show. Transformers is an 80s show because the original run was all in the 80s, same with Inspector Gadget.

TMNT spent more time in the 90's than it did in the 80's, but it shared both decades. It just felt more 90's. Maried with Children I don't know when it started, but it was big in the 90's as well.

Not really, because in the 80's and 90's maybe there was more indoor stuff to do, but kids still used their imagination and played outside and were encouraged to do so.


It all depends on the parents. I wouldn't say that today's children don't use their imagination anymore when they play.

However one thing is true: They are a bit more spoilt because everything they want is nearly instantly available (on the internet/youtube/games etc.). When I was a kid and wanted to watch something, e. g. a cartoon, I had to wait until it was on TV. We didn't have a VCR until late 1995 either. Today's children can just look it up on Youtube and watch whatever they want, whenever they want to  8)

It all depends on the parents. I wouldn't say that today's children don't use their imagination anymore when they play.

However one thing is true: They are a bit more spoilt because everything they want is nearly instantly available (on the internet/youtube/games etc.). When I was a kid and wanted to watch something, e. g. a cartoon, I had to wait until it was on TV. We didn't have a VCR until late 1995 either. Today's children can just look it up on Youtube and watch whatever they want, whenever they want to  8)

Being able to watch something on YouTube isn't being spoiled. It's not the same as wanting the DVD of that show and getting it just because. We had a VCR for a long time, but at one point I don't think we had cable.

Being able to watch something on YouTube isn't being spoiled. It's not the same as wanting the DVD of that show and getting it just because.


Hmm, I don't know. A lot of shows for children are available on Youtube and you don't really need to buy the DVD anymore. It's different with movies though, I agree.

Hmm, I don't know. A lot of shows for children are available on Youtube and you don't really need to buy the DVD anymore. It's different with movies though, I agree.

But still, the shows are available on YouTube as long as the uploader lets them be. If they take them down then they're not. So it's not like the kids own it.

But still, the shows are available on YouTube as long as the uploader lets them be. If they take them down then they're not. So it's not like the kids own it.


What I notice with my 6-year-old nephew - his taste changes all the time. It's not worth buying him a show for his age which he does not like anymore 2 years later. So it's not too bad if they do not own the stuff.

Like I said before, there will always be carry over. In the 90's I first had a tape player, then in jr. high I finally had a portable CD player. Through the 2000's more people used portable CD players than MP3 players. 90's bands were still playing, but they'd evolve over the years. I know all music does that, and I really hear the differences now. There are some bands played now who were first popular last decade and they're very different from when I first heard them.
  Thats very true. bands/artists are going to evolve overtime as they get older and now that I think about it, I dont think I saw anyone with an MP3 player when I was in middle school, I think I saw more Disc-mans especially how I had one. I didnt actually have an MP3 player until I was in 8th grade.

I dont think I saw anyone with an MP3 player when I was in middle school,


When did you go to middle school?

Like I said before, there will always be carry over. In the 90's I first had a tape player, then in jr. high I finally had a portable CD player. Through the 2000's more people used portable CD players than MP3 players. 90's bands were still playing, but they'd evolve over the years. I know all music does that, and I really hear the differences now. There are some bands played now who were first popular last decade and they're very different from when I first heard them.
Not really, because in the 80's and 90's maybe there was more indoor stuff to do, but kids still used their imagination and played outside and were encouraged to do so. If we played indoors it was with toys, because most kids I knew weren't allowed to make a day of video games and sit around the house back then. I wasn't.
TMNT spent more time in the 90's than it did in the 80's, but it shared both decades. It just felt more 90's. Maried with Children I don't know when it started, but it was big in the 90's as well.


Katana! You're backie! :3

When did you go to middle school?
From 2004 to 2007

From 2004 to 2007


I bought my first MP3 player in 2004. They became pretty common then.

Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles both 80s and 90s so it wouldn't be inaccurate to call it 90s. Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles ran from 1987-1996 and it was most popular in the early 90s. Married with Children had a similar run but nobody calls it an 80s show. Transformers is an 80s show because the original run was all in the 80s, same with Inspector Gadget.


Just like Seinfeld, even though it debuted in 1989, it actually started in the 90's.

It all depends on the parents. I wouldn't say that today's children don't use their imagination anymore when they play.

That's because they're too busy on their electronic device. ::)

Hmm, I don't know. A lot of shows for children are available on Youtube and you don't really need to buy the DVD anymore. It's different with movies though, I agree.


not all shows are available on YouTube.

I bought my first MP3 player in 2004. They became pretty common then.
Were they expensive at the time?

Were they expensive at the time?


They were very expensive in the early 00s.

In 2004, prices were still a bit high. I paid like 100 USD for a 128 MB USB flash drive MP3 player. They became much cheaper then. I think by 2006 it was not a big deal to buy one.

I remember buying an MP3 CD player in 2003.  At the time, it was a much better deal than buying a true MP3 player.  They were relatively inexpensive and you could get 650MB worth of data on a CD.  MP3 players at the time where very low in storage, like 128 or 256MB at the most.

MP3 players at the time where very low in storage, like 128 or 256MB at the most.


That's true. Just like my first MP3 player. But the good aspect about them was the small size.

In late 2006 however I was able to buy a no-name 512 MB USB flash drive player and it was about 20 USD on ebay. That was enough storage for about 500 (compressed) songs. The quality was still great when using small headphones.

I know every generation does this, but I'm seeing more and more people in their late teens getting nostalgic for the early-mid 2000s. They get nostalgic over things like Crazy Frog, NSYNC, Britney Spears, Blink-182, OutKast, Avril Laverigne, flip phones, PowerPC Macs, Windows XP, and "kids still playing outside," and consider shows like Teen Titans, Danny Phantom, Squirrel Boy, Hi Hi Puffy AmiYumi and Class of 3000 to be "classics."

I'm also seeing more and more people name 2006 as "the last year that could be considered retro" or "the last good year before things went to sh*t." I'm guessing this is because it was the last year of:

Sixth generation gaming (PS2/GCN/Xbox).
A good economy.
The iPod being a huge status symbol and no iPhones.
Unrestricted Internet and no PRISM.
Re-runs of 90s shows on CN and Disney Channel (the "crappy" new shows were coming in, but didn't become popular and replace the old shows until 2007).
"90s" shows like That '70s Show, Charmed, and Malcolm in the Middle.

etc.

They were very expensive in the early 00s.

In 2004, prices were still a bit high. I paid like 100 USD for a 128 MB USB flash drive MP3 player. They became much cheaper then. I think by 2006 it was not a big deal to buy one.
Now I see. Thats why I didnt see many people in middle school at the time with MP3 players as the cost of them was not cheap. Like I said, I saw people with CD players in 2004-05 and I had one as well. In 2006-07, thats when I got a MP3 player and that was one year before I got an Ipod.


I know every generation does this, but I'm seeing more and more people in their late teens getting nostalgic for the early-mid 2000s. They get nostalgic over things like OutKast, Avril Laverigne, flip phones, PowerPC Macs, and "kids still playing outside," and consider shows like Teen Titans, Danny Phantom, Squirrel Boy, Hi Hi Puffy AmiYumi and Class of 3000 to be "classics."

I'm also seeing more and more people name 2006 as "the last year that could be considered retro" or "the last good year before things went to sh*t." I'm guessing this is because it was the last year of:

Sixth generation gaming (PS2/GCN/Xbox).
A good economy.
The iPod being a huge status symbol and no iPhones.
Unrestricted Internet and no PRISM.
Re-runs of 90s shows on CN and Disney Channel.
That '70s Show and Malcolm in the Middle.

etc.
This is true as after 2006, society changed and we went into a new era. 

What I notice with my 6-year-old nephew - his taste changes all the time. It's not worth buying him a show for his age which he does not like anymore 2 years later. So it's not too bad if they do not own the stuff.

It depends, but some interests last longer than others. There were shows I was into for longer and others that were more of a short phase.


  Thats very true. bands/artists are going to evolve overtime as they get older and now that I think about it, I dont think I saw anyone with an MP3 player when I was in middle school, I think I saw more Disc-mans especially how I had one. I didnt actually have an MP3 player until I was in 8th grade.

It always sounds like they have a "heavier" sound when they start out, rock bands do. They change with the times or change because they're older. In jr. high I didn't see people carrying around disc mans, I don't think it would go over with the teachers. Me and a friend had them for car rides and other kids would have them for long bus trips in high school. A friend first got an mp3 player in 2004 and it was a plastic pill shaped thing with a USB in it.


Katana! You're backie! :3

I never left, there just wasn't much to reply to for a while.  8)


2006 was also the second and last year where YouTube was unrestricted (even though Google bought YT in 2006, they didn't start cracking down on copyrighted material until June 2007).

Do you really think things went downhill after '06, or is it just nostalgia blindness? I was born in '96, and I have to admit, I miss "those days" sometimes.

I'd say it was more like the last couple years of the 00's. I used to use YouTube alot and comment on videos, but I don't like how you have to use Gmail to register now. It might be because they had such a bad troll problem, but they still do. It's not managed right. The thing about copyright material is ridiculous.  ::) I think now things have become more complicated, so I wouldn't call it nostalgia blindness.

2006 was also the second and last year where YouTube was unrestricted (even though Google bought YT in 2006, they didn't start cracking down on copyrighted material until June 2007).

Do you really think things went downhill after '06, or is it just nostalgia blindness? I was born in '96, and I have to admit, I miss "those days" sometimes.
Not everything went downhill. The only things that went downhill was the economy crash in 2008, the interaction with other people and mainstream music because of Auto-tune. Things that are still decent today are video games, some movies, cartoons and TV shows, fashion, technology, and other things. The things I said that were going downhill are getting a little better and hopefully it will get much better.


It always sounds like they have a "heavier" sound when they start out, rock bands do. They change with the times or change because they're older. In jr. high I didn't see people carrying around disc mans, I don't think it would go over with the teachers. Me and a friend had them for car rides and other kids would have them for long bus trips in high school. A friend first got an mp3 player in 2004 and it was a plastic pill shaped thing with a USB in it.
  Your first sentence is completely true. Rock bands or any other musicians will change overtime as society gradually changes. As for CD players, everyone at least had one in their car or parent's car as they replaced cassette players in cars and you didnt see anyone with them at lunch time in jr high? Last, for MP3s, my first one had a USB as well, but it was shaped differently than your friend's. 

Not everything went downhill. The only things that went downhill was the economy crash in 2008, the interaction with other people and mainstream music because of Auto-tune. Things that are still decent today are video games, some movies, cartoons and TV shows, fashion, technology, and other things. The things I said that were going downhill are getting a little better and hopefully it will get much better.
  Your first sentence is completely true. Rock bands or any other musicians will change overtime as society gradually changes. As for CD players, everyone at least had one in their car or parent's car as they replaced cassette players in cars and you didnt see anyone with them at lunch time in jr high? Last, for MP3s, my first one had a USB as well, but it was shaped differently than your friend's.

Video games improved. Movie graphics may be better, but I don't think movies themselves changed much. TV went downhill with all the crappy reality shows. Technology improved and got more complicated both. I remember when TV didn't require three remotes to watch a DVD, the upstairs one does anyway. Interaction went to pot completely and everyone's addicted to their phone and checking everything on it. I'm guilty of it too, but I try to be off it more...then people get mad when I am. People also use the internet for the wrong things and you have to be more careful what you say these days because you could be looked up by people hoping to find dirt.

It does seem weird that 2006 is almost nostalgic now. I saw a comment on the YouTube video "Akon - Don't Matter" that said "This song reminds me of the good old times... When technology didn't take over, when people were having fun outside with each other and not having fun by 'Whatsapp.'"

I've also seen comments like:
"Class of 3000 = my childhood. <3 It was the last classic Cartoon Network show, before Stuart Snyder took over."
"Lady in the Water was the last good Shyamalan movie."
"I miss the days when Daft Punk made REAL music like Harder, Better, Faster, Stronger, not this Get Lucky crap."
"Click was the last good Adam Sandler movie."
"2006 was the last good year of WWE. It went downhill after the Ruthless Aggression Era ended."
"Zatch Bell was the last really good anime before moe, harem, and ecchi took over and ruined everything."
"The Emperor's New School was the last good Disney Channel show." (90s kids would disagree)
"2001-2006 = the best years of Adult Swim. It sucks now with all the live-action crap."
etc.

Grownups was a good Adam Sandler movie, and it's newer.
I never saw Lady In The Water, I have only seen The Village and it wasn't all that good.
Not into Daft Punk.
The last good Era of WWE was Attitude. The good days ended in 2002.
Adult Swim still has entertaining, but weird, shows. The Squidbillies for example. 

Video games improved. Movie graphics may be better, but I don't think movies themselves changed much. TV went downhill with all the crappy reality shows. Technology improved and got more complicated both. I remember when TV didn't require three remotes to watch a DVD, the upstairs one does anyway. Interaction went to pot completely and everyone's addicted to their phone and checking everything on it. I'm guilty of it too, but I try to be off it more...then people get mad when I am. People also use the internet for the wrong things and you have to be more careful what you say these days because you could be looked up by people hoping to find dirt.
Video games have definitely improved. The only problem I have is that many of them dont have offline multiplayer which is one of the best game modes ever other than single player. Some movies today are actually good and it even surprised some people I talked to when I was working my shift at the theater. Reality shows were better when they were just game shows, competition, and comedy acts. Now it's about people who dont even need one at all. I really hope interaction improves in the future as it is fun to have conversations with people and hang with them all day and not be bored with your phone. And yes, people have to be careful on the internet as somethings on it are bad and can get you in trouble.


It does seem weird that 2006 is almost nostalgic now. I saw a comment on the YouTube video "Akon - Don't Matter" that said "This song reminds me of the good old times... When technology didn't take over, when people were having fun outside with each other and not having fun by 'Whatsapp.'"

I've also seen comments like:
"Class of 3000 = my childhood. <3 It was the last classic Cartoon Network show, before Stuart Snyder took over."
"Lady in the Water was the last good Shyamalan movie."
"I miss the days when Daft Punk made REAL music like Harder, Better, Faster, Stronger, not this Get Lucky crap."
"Click was the last good Adam Sandler movie."
"2006 was the last good year of WWE. It went downhill after the Ruthless Aggression Era ended."
"Zatch Bell was the last really good anime before moe, harem, and ecchi took over and ruined everything."
"The Emperor's New School was the last good Disney Channel show." (90s kids would disagree)
"2001-2006 = the best years of Adult Swim. It sucks now with all the live-action crap."
etc.
What I bold in your writing is true. Everyone was still going outside to play/hang with friends and not be addicted to their phone all day. People still go outside today to hang with friends too, but it feels like to some others their phones entertain them more than their own friends. also, did you see these comments on Youtube?

What I bold in your writing is true. Everyone was still going outside to play/hang with friends and not be addicted to their phone all day. People still go outside today to hang with friends too, but it feels like to some others their phones entertain them more than their own friends. also, did you see these comments on Youtube?

I found the comments on YouTube, Facebook, IMDb, etc. I know they're terrible in general, but I find it interesting that people are already getting nostalgic over stuff that could be thought of as recent. Though I can sorta understand it, considering 2006 really was the last year of a "special" era (as you've mentioned).

I found the comments on YouTube, Facebook, IMDb, etc. I know they're terrible in general, but I find it interesting that people are already getting nostalgic over stuff that could be thought of as recent. Though I can sorta understand it, considering 2006 really was the last year of a "special" era (as you've mentioned).
I see now. I understand it too since 2006 was 8 years ago, so its not recent anymore. Adult Swim is still good, but some shows are not (Most of the live-action shows), Phineas and Ferb is still a great DC cartoon, but I heard its going downhill. Class of 3000 was a interesting show as it was different than most cartoon network shows during CN's second era and I feel like it was underrated when it premiered. Zatch Bell was really good, but there is anime out today that is good as well. Now as for the last days before tech took over, in 2006, I was in 7th/8th grade and everyone I knew and I was friends with actually had a cellphone, but they werent addicted to it and still made conversations with their friends in school, in class, outside of school and home and kicked with them everyday. I would say 2010 was the last year before technology took over as I saw lots of people in school, outside, and at parties not being on their phones and the fact that even though the Iphone was released in 2007, it wasnt popular until that year (2010). 

Do you really think things went downhill after '06, or is it just nostalgia blindness? I was born in '96, and I have to admit, I miss "those days" sometimes.


Things changed after '06 but I don't think they necessarily went downhill.  '06 was definitely the end of the world of the early 2000s.  A lot of the things that defined my teen years i.e. video games really started going downhill around that time.  I am sorry, I can't get into these online endless-deathmatch video games that rule today.  I miss the games that were deep and had a fun single player story line that you could immerse yourself in for hours.  Those types of games are very rare today, but they were still common in 2006.  I think the biggest thing is that 2006 was the last year that the Internet was a luxury and not an integral part of everyone's lives.  You could still feasibly get by with dial-up in 2006 and a lot of people did. You had MySpace and Facebook, but there were no smartphones, Instagram, twitter, etc.  Other things in my personal life began to get a lot better around that time as I was coming of age.  It was also the last year of the pre-recession economy.  I actually remember the economy being pretty good that year.

I know every generation does this, but I'm seeing more and more people in their late teens getting nostalgic for the early-mid 2000s. They get nostalgic over things like Crazy Frog, NSYNC, Britney Spears, Blink-182, OutKast, Avril Laverigne, flip phones, PowerPC Macs, Windows XP, and "kids still playing outside," and consider shows like Teen Titans, Danny Phantom, Squirrel Boy, Hi Hi Puffy AmiYumi and Class of 3000 to be "classics."

I'm also seeing more and more people name 2006 as "the last year that could be considered retro" or "the last good year before things went to sh*t." I'm guessing this is because it was the last year of:

Sixth generation gaming (PS2/GCN/Xbox).
A good economy.
The iPod being a huge status symbol and no iPhones.
Unrestricted Internet and no PRISM.
Re-runs of 90s shows on CN and Disney Channel (the "crappy" new shows were coming in, but didn't become popular and replace the old shows until 2007).
"90s" shows like That '70s Show, Charmed, and Malcolm in the Middle.

etc.


Malcolm in the Middle didn't even air in the 90s. It aired from 2000-2006. Charmed aired from 1998-2006 so it's more 00s than 90s and that 70s show also aired from 1998-2006.

Malcolm in the Middle didn't even air in the 90s. It aired from 2000-2006. Charmed aired from 1998-2006 so it's more 00s than 90s and that 70s show also aired from 1998-2006.
Have you also seen people put Lizzie McGuire, Thats So Raven and Even Stevens as 90s shows?

Have you also seen people put Lizzie McGuire, Thats So Raven and Even Stevens as 90s shows?
Even Stevens actually premiered in late 1999, but even then it's more 2000s. Lizzie McGuire came out in 2001 so that can also be understandable, but That's So Raven ran from 2003-2006, clearly an 00s show.

There is one thing I find pretty funny:

2006 = The last year that kids were still playing outside

That statement comes probably from those who stopped playing outside around that time because they thought they were too old  ;D

On the surface, I still don't see much difference in the society of today and the society of 2006. That's probably only visible for younger people.

Even Stevens actually premiered in late 1999, but even then it's more 2000s. Lizzie McGuire came out in 2001 so that can also be understandable, but That's So Raven ran from 2003-2006, clearly an 00s show.
Yep and that's what some people don't understand. Yes, those shows were good, but they were not 90s at all. From what zelek said, I have never seen anyone say that Malcolm in the middle was a 90s show. It clearly wasn't.



There is one thing I find pretty funny:

2006 = The last year that kids were still playing outside

That statement comes probably from those who stopped playing outside around that time because they thought they were too old  ;D

On the surface, I still don't see much difference in the society of today and the society of 2006. That's probably only visible for younger people.
Kids still play outside today, just not many of them since they dont use their imagination and the fact that some parents keep them from going out because of the dangers the local news report.

Kids still play outside today, just not many of them since they dont use their imagination and the fact that some parents keep them from going out because of the dangers the local news report.


They certainly do, but I think it's so funny that younger people actually think that the world in 2006 and before was so different for children.  ;D

They certainly do, but I think it's so funny that younger people actually think that the world in 2006 and before was so different for children.  ;D
It actually was. During that year, I saw children playing at park whether it was the jungle gym, basketball, football or any other thing. They still did things than just be on an Ipad playing games. I didnt see any of them with a phone (even though there were no smartphones at the time). They were just having fun with each other. Not only that, even if they were inside the house, they played video games offline (these days it's all online), they played with their toys or played with their friends whenever they invited them over. At least they had other things to do everyday than being on a phone all day looking bored.

It actually was.


Maybe before 9/11 (2001)... but not 2006. I would never consider 2006 "the good old times".

Maybe before 9/11 (2001)... but not 2006. I would never consider 2006 "the good old times".
how come?

how come?


Because 2006 is still like yesterday for most people.

Because 2006 is still like yesterday for most people.
It is to some people, but it's not recent anymore. 2006 is almost 10 years old.

Were they expensive at the time?


I don't think they were.

I don't think they were.
Did you buy a MP3 at that time?

This is true as after 2006, society changed and we went into a new era

and what era was that? ???

and what era was that? ???
The era we are in today.

I don't think they were.


The weren't too expensive, but much more expensive in comparison today. They might have been affordable, but the storage was laughable.

The era we are in today.


Started in late 2008.

I used to use YouTube alot and comment on videos, but I don't like how you have to use Gmail to register now


I know I agree too, Katana, One account for everything Google! ::)

"2006 was the last good year of WWE. It went downhill after the Ruthless Aggression Era ended

I'll agree with you on this one ever since John Cena became champion it went downhill with his Fruity Pebbles commercials. ::)

The last good Era of WWE was Attitude. The good days ended in 2002.

That's when John Cena debuted & now people are sick of his "You Can't See Me" and his stupid Fruity Pebbles. ::)

It is to some people, but it's not recent anymore. 2006 is almost 10 years old.


In 2 more years.

Did you buy a MP3 at that time?


No I had a Discman.

Started in late 2008.
It sure did. Starting with Obama becoming president, smartphones rising (I saw commercials of the Droid in 2009), online gaming expanding, economy going downhill, HD resolution replacing SD on TV and movies, Game grallaphics being realistic, the last of millennials going off to college, older gen Z going to middle school, and new Y and Z celebrities.


In 2 more years.
which is not far at all. Soon enough 2006 is going to be old.


No I had a Discman.
Thats what I had.

In 2 more years.
Make that one year and four and a half months.

which is not far at all. Soon enough 2006 is going to be old.


Don't remind me of that. I'll turn 30 in 2016.

No I had a Discman.
Sold it on eBay?

Don't remind me of that. I'll turn 30 in 2016.
Consider the older members...

Don't remind me of that. I'll turn 30 in 2016.
and thats not old. there are people in their 30s who are still having fun and they are not letting their age get them down.

Have you also seen people put Lizzie McGuire, Thats So Raven and Even Stevens as 90s shows?

Adding to the idea that "2006 was a 'lasts' year", 2006 was the last year where Disney Channel had re-runs of Even Stevens, Lizzie McGuire, and Sister Sister. They were removed in 2007, after Hannah Montana and High School Musical really took over.

Don't remind me of that. I'll turn 30 in 2016.


I'll be 42.

Sold it on eBay?


I think I still have mine.

Adding to the idea that "2006 was a 'lasts' year", 2006 was the last year where Disney Channel had re-runs of Even Stevens, Lizzie McGuire, and Sister Sister. They were removed in 2007, after Hannah Montana and High School Musical really took over.
They had sister sister on disney until 2006? and dont forget wizards of waverly place. that show took over disney as well.

They had sister sister on disney until 2006? and dont forget wizards of waverly place. that show took over disney as well.

The Christmas special, at least.

The Christmas special, at least.
Did it air on the disney channel in 2006 or earlier?

Did it air on the disney channel in 2006 or earlier?

In 2006, and probably earlier. 2006 was also the last year they had House of Mouse, Recess, Braceface, Phil of the Future, and Muppets Tonight.

Man, was there anything 2006 wasn't the last year of?

Yep and that's what some people don't understand. Yes, those shows were good, but they were not 90s at all. From what zelek said, I have never seen anyone say that Malcolm in the middle was a 90s show. It clearly wasn't.

Kids still play outside today, just not many of them since they dont use their imagination and the fact that some parents keep them from going out because of the dangers the local news report.

There are a few kids in my neighborhood, and sometimes I see them on their bikes, but not often. If I see them playing outside, their parents are watching them and usually they're all in the yard. When I was that age not only did we ride bikes around the block, but explored.  Now when it's time for school their parents stand with them for the bus. When I was that age we lined up on a driveway and didn't need to be walked there. It's a safe neighborhood too.

In 2006, and probably earlier. 2006 was also the last year they had House of Mouse, Recess, Braceface, Phil of the Future, and Muppets Tonight.

Man, was there anything 2006 wasn't the last year of?
It wasnt the last year of Bush 2 being president. it wasnt the last year that cartoon network went downhill. it wasnt the last year of the PS2's/GC/Xbox's run. It wasnt the last year the cellphones. and it wasnt the last year of a good economy.


There are a few kids in my neighborhood, and sometimes I see them on their bikes, but not often. If I see them playing outside, their parents are watching them and usually they're all in the yard. When I was that age not only did we ride bikes around the block, but explored.  Now when it's time for school their parents stand with them for the bus. When I was that age we lined up on a driveway and didn't need to be walked there. It's a safe neighborhood too.
This change must have happened sometime after 2007 because I dont see kids riding bikes as often anymore. I dont see them explore either. not only that, other places I've lived in, I didnt see kids outside anywhere. I feel this is due to parents wanting their kids to be safe from harm .

It wasnt the last year of Bush 2 being president. it wasnt the last year that cartoon network went downhill. it wasnt the last year of the PS2's/GC/Xbox's run. It wasnt the last year the cellphones. and it wasnt the last year of a good economy.

Funny, I hear a lot of people my age say '04-'06 was the "Golden Age" of Cartoon Network (mostly because of the CN City bumpers) and shows like Hi Hi Puffy AmiYumi, original Ben 10, Teen Titans, Squirrel Boy, and Class of 3000 are "classics." They also think 2007-2009 (the "CN Real" era) was when it went downhill and entered its "Dark Ages" (I think we can all agree on that).

Also, it wasn't the last year of a good economy? Then what was? 2007? Also, when did the sixth generation end if not 2006? I also said 2006 was the last year of no iPhones, not cellphones.

It wasnt the last year of Bush 2 being president. it wasnt the last year that cartoon network went downhill. it wasnt the last year of the PS2's/GC/Xbox's run. It wasnt the last year the cellphones. and it wasnt the last year of a good economy.
This change must have happened sometime after 2007 because I dont see kids riding bikes as often anymore. I dont see them explore either. not only that, other places I've lived in, I didnt see kids outside anywhere. I feel this is due to parents wanting their kids to be safe from harm .

Is it a neighborhood with not many kids or are they just keeping them inside? That's not good if they are. They should be out doing things. The yard is safe, just watch from the house and it's fine.

Funny, I hear a lot of people my age say '04-'06 was the "Golden Age" of Cartoon Network (mostly because of the CN City bumpers) and shows like Hi Hi Puffy AmiYumi, original Ben 10, Teen Titans, Squirrel Boy, and Class of 3000 are "classics." They also think 2007-2009 (the "CN Real" era) was when it went downhill and entered its "Dark Ages" (I think we can all agree on that).

Also, it wasn't the last year of a good economy? Then what was? 2007? Also, when did the sixth generation end if not 2006? I also said 2006 was the last year of no iPhones, not cellphones.
More like 1996 to 2006 were the golden ages of cartoon network. Yes, CN real was what made it go downhill, but there were cartoons during that era such as Chowder, Flapjack, Secret Saturdays, Ben 10: Alien Force, Star Wars: Clone Wars, and the Canadian cartoons (Total Drama, Stoked, 6Teen). Yes, the last year of a good economy was 2007 as the crash happened in 2008. The 6th generation of gaming ended in 2007 as there were a few to 10 games released in that year. I understand that, but what I was saying is that even though Iphones were released in 2007, people were still using cellphones as the Iphone wasnt popular until 2010.


Is it a neighborhood with not many kids or are they just keeping them inside? That's not good if they are. They should be out doing things. The yard is safe, just watch from the house and it's fine.
I'm not even sure. The last time I lived in different areas was 5 years ago and in the last area I lived in, no kids were outside playing. The neighborhood I am in now, since I live on top of a hill, there are no kids outside, however, they do walk with their parents.

It wasnt the last year of Bush 2 being president. it wasn't the last year that cartoon network went downhill. it wasnt the last year of the PS2's/GC/Xbox's run. It wasn't the last year the cellphones. and it wasn't the last year of a good economy.

It was the introduction to the PS3.

It was the introduction to the PS3.
and the Wii and PSN.

I see now. I understand it too since 2006 was 8 years ago, so its not recent anymore. Adult Swim is still good, but some shows are not (Most of the live-action shows), Phineas and Ferb is still a great DC cartoon, but I heard its going downhill. Class of 3000 was a interesting show as it was different than most cartoon network shows during CN's second era and I feel like it was underrated when it premiered. Zatch Bell was really good, but there is anime out today that is good as well. Now as for the last days before tech took over, in 2006, I was in 7th/8th grade and everyone I knew and I was friends with actually had a cellphone, but they werent addicted to it and still made conversations with their friends in school, in class, outside of school and home and kicked with them everyday. I would say 2010 was the last year before technology took over as I saw lots of people in school, outside, and at parties not being on their phones and the fact that even though the Iphone was released in 2007, it wasnt popular until that year (2010).


I don't really think that it's all that unusual that kids that grew up in the 00's are starting to get nostalgic for that time period. From my experience, I think it's actually kind of natural. I remember that I first started feeling somewhat nostalgic towards the 90's as early as 2003. It seems like for a lot of people, once they reach high school age and beyond is when they tend to first begin looking back on their childhood years as a "simpler time".


Funny, I hear a lot of people my age say '04-'06 was the "Golden Age" of Cartoon Network (mostly because of the CN City bumpers) and shows like Hi Hi Puffy AmiYumi, original Ben 10, Teen Titans, Squirrel Boy, and Class of 3000 are "classics." They also think 2007-2009 (the "CN Real" era) was when it went downhill and entered its "Dark Ages" (I think we can all agree on that).


It's funny how "generational" this argument always gets. Most people my age tend to say that the 90's was the "Golden Age" of Cartoon Network, and that the channel completely went downhill after Toonami ceased being a daily block and was replaced by Miguzi around 2003-04. I actually disagree with that sentiment. Unlike most, I actually continued watching CN on and off when I was high school and college (and even still do now occasionally), and I think it's always had a decent number of good shows.

At the very least, I would say that it's certainly stayed in much better shape than Nickelodeon and Disney have since 2004. :(

I don't really think that it's all that unusual that kids that grew up in the 00's are starting to get nostalgic for that time period. From my experience, I think it's actually kind of natural. I remember that I first started feeling somewhat nostalgic towards the 90's as early as 2003. It seems like for a lot of people, once they reach high school age and beyond is when they tend to first begin looking back on their childhood years as a "simpler time".

Yeah, it starting to happen now, especially with the early 00s.  If you type in early 2000s, there will be some articles about that time. Yes, childhood is always a simpler time as you don't have to worry about negativity, but I think even back then for teens and adults that it was a simpler time as well because even though they had jobs and responsibilities,  they still had fun with friends and other people and weren't tied down to a phone all day. I also started feeling nostalgic for 90s when I realized they ended over 10 years ago. Hey, since you were a teenager in the early 00s, did you have amazing times with your friends?

Hey, since you were a teenager in the early 00s, did you have amazing times with your friends?


Oh, sure. It's true that nobody I knew had a cell phone, and we didn't go online nearly as much, but we did still spend a lot of time playing video games back then, particularly "Grand Theft Auto III" and "Halo". It's hard to judge how much the recent technological advances have altered overall "teenage experience" since then, though.

Oh, sure. It's true that nobody I knew had a cell phone, and we didn't go online nearly as much, but we did still spend a lot of time playing video games back then, particularly "Grand Theft Auto III" and "Halo". It's hard to judge how much the recent technological advances have altered overall "teenage experience" since then, though.
That means xbox live was not that popular and people were still playing offline multiplayer every day.  I bet it is completely different as now today, everyone does online gaming, phones are important, social media is changing the way we live, and interaction is going down.

That means xbox live was not that popular and people were still playing offline multiplayer every day.  I bet it is completely different as now today, everyone does online gaming, phones are important, social media is changing the way we live, and interaction is going down.


I did not only play offline multiplayer. I remember playing a race game with a a friend on a split screen  8)

Phones were important in my youth, too. Do not underestimate this! It was actually not very different from today - we just did different things with our phones. It was more about texting, ring tones and smaller games between 2000 and 2006.

and the Wii and PSN.


PSN came to Playstation about 2006 or 2007.

I don't really think that it's all that unusual that kids that grew up in the 00's are starting to get nostalgic for that time period. From my experience, I think it's actually kind of natural. I remember that I first started feeling somewhat nostalgic towards the 90's as early as 2003. It seems like for a lot of people, once they reach high school age and beyond is when they tend to first begin looking back on their childhood years as a "simpler time".

It's funny how "generational" this argument always gets. Most people my age tend to say that the 90's was the "Golden Age" of Cartoon Network, and that the channel completely went downhill after Toonami ceased being a daily block and was replaced by Miguzi around 2003-04. I actually disagree with that sentiment. Unlike most, I actually continued watching CN on and off when I was high school and college (and even still do now occasionally), and I think it's always had a decent number of good shows.

At the very least, I would say that it's certainly stayed in much better shape than Nickelodeon and Disney have since 2004. :(

We didn't have Cartoon Network until the late 90's I don't think. Our cable network didn't offer it yet. I do remember the anime shows on CN's Toonami though. I used to watch Inuyasha now and then, and sometimes One Piece. Kablaam and Cow and Chicken were a couple shows I remember being on in my jr. high years, which was partly 90's. I remember most of the shows aired in the 2000's on it otherwise.

PSN came to Playstation about 2006 or 2007.
It came in November of 2006 and it's still going strong today.


I did not only play offline multiplayer. I remember playing a race game with a a friend on a split screen  8)

Phones were important in my youth, too. Do not underestimate this! It was actually not very different from today - we just did different things with our phones. It was more about texting, ring tones and smaller games between 2000 and 2006.
I understand phones were there, but what I was saying is that people werent on them all the time like they are today. Yes, people were texting each other, but I bet they still called each other more often as texting was difficult to do especially with the T9. As for multiplayer, it was the best offline because you had friends/other family members to play against and you would never tired of it as you would be too busy having fun. It's good to play online with other people, but offline is still better. do you remember the racing game you played?

do you remember the racing game you played?


Need for Speed II SE and III. NFS II was already considered old in the early 00s though because it's from 1997.

Need for Speed II SE and III. NFS II was already considered old in the early 00s though because it's from 1997.
Nice!!! Were those your first racing games?

Nice!!! Were those your first racing games?


Yes, NFS III was my first PC racing game in 1999. I bought NFS II a couple of years later as a "retro" game.

Yes, NFS III was my first PC racing game in 1999. I bought NFS II a couple of years later as a new release.
Awesome :). Mines was Mario Kart 64.

Awesome :). Mines was Mario Kart 64.


My very first racing game was F1 Race - a Gameboy game. I think I got it for Easter in 1994.

http://nerdbacon.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/F1-RACE-003.jpg

My very first racing game was F1 Race - a Gameboy game. I think I got it for Easter in 1994.

http://nerdbacon.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/F1-RACE-003.jpg
Nice! I bet you had fun playing that game.

Nice! I bet you had fun playing that game.


It was. You could even use a multiplayer adapter and connect 4 Gameboys with this game.

It was. You could even use a multiplayer adapter and connect 4 Gameboys with this game.
Awesome! Now these days, I dont even think you need an adapter.

Awesome! Now these days, I dont even think you need an adapter.


No, since we have wifi and other technology, it is not necessary anymore. Interaction between smartphone games on different devices is much easier today.

No, since we have wifi and other technology, it is not necessary anymore. Interaction between smartphone games on different devices is much easier today.
Yep. Now, theres games on smartphones, you can battle people online almost anywhere with a PS3/PS4, Xbox 360/One, Wii/Wii U, NDS/3DS, and PSP/PS Vita. Even though interaction is easier with a phone, it is still good to have a face to face interaction as you enjoy it more and the fact that those converstions lasts more than a texting, emailing or calling conversation.

It came in November of 2006 and it's still going strong today.


and this is why I traded my PS2 for a PS3 that has The PSN and I'm lovin it.

No, since we have wifi and other technology, it is not necessary anymore. Interaction between smartphone games on different devices is much easier today.


and that's a good thing about technology.

and this is why I traded my PS2 for a PS3 that has The PSN and I'm lovin it.
do you have an account?

and this is why I traded my PS2 for a PS3 that has The PSN and I'm lovin it.

I didn't know you played games! I need to sell my PS2 as I never play it, still have an Xbox360, and want a PS4. I don't do multiplayer or live or any of that though.

I didn't know you played games! I need to sell my PS2 as I never play it, still have an Xbox360, and want a PS4. I don't do multiplayer or live or any of that though.


Keep your PS2. I got a PS2 in 2010 after 8 years of having a GameCube, 2 years of having a Wii, and less than a year after having a PS3. I love my PS2!

do you have an account?


Yes I Do. Since I started with the PS3 a year and a half ago, I signed up for an account with the PSN and from there I got YouTube, Crackle, Amazon, TuneIn and all sorts of other apps on The Playstation Network.

I didn't know you played games! I need to sell my PS2 as I never play it, still have an Xbox360, and want a PS4. I don't do multiplayer or live or any of that though.


I play wrestling games on my PS3. Just a few months ago, I bought WWE14 for my system and I'm enjoying it.

Do you have a Gamestop where you live? You could trade your PS2 for a PS3 but the thing is since the PS2 is over 12 years old you probably won't get much for it but see what you can get for it. See they go by longevity and The PS2 debuted in the early 2000's(2001, 2002) and the PS3 debuted in about 2006 or 2007, it's still new.

Keep your PS2. I got a PS2 in 2010 after 8 years of having a GameCube, 2 years of having a Wii, and less than a year after having a PS3. I love my PS2!


I hated the PS2 after a while, I thought the PS2 was a bit small and I kept tripping over it sometimes in the past almost to the point of breaking it by accident.

I play wrestling games on my PS3. Just a few months ago, I bought WWE14 for my system and I'm enjoying it.

Do you have a Gamestop where you live? You could trade your PS2 for a PS3 but the thing is since the PS2 is over 12 years old you probably won't get much for it but see what you can get for it. See they go by longevity and The PS2 debuted in the early 2000's(2001, 2002) and the PS3 debuted in about 2006 or 2007, it's still new.


Actually the PlayStation 2 debuted in 2000.

Actually the PlayStation 2 debuted in 2000.


Oh Yeah, Thanks I almost forgot about that. There was a commercial when it first debuted.

Yes I Do. Since I started with the PS3 a year and a half ago, I signed up for an account with the PSN and from there I got YouTube, Crackle, Amazon, TuneIn and all sorts of other apps on The Playstation Network.
awesome  :). I signed up for PSN 4 years ago and it didn't have those apps you are talking about, but I did download them when they were released. The only ones I have used is youtube, Crackle, and amazon. Hey is it alright if I can add you on PSN?

awesome  :). I signed up for PSN 4 years ago and it didn't have those apps you are talking about, but I did download them when they were released. The only ones I have used is youtube, Crackle, and amazon. Hey is it alright if I can add you on PSN?


Sure, why not.  :)

Sure, why not.  :)
whats your PSN username?

whats your PSN username?


I'll have to check.

I think in the future when people hear "The 2000s" they're gonna think of the early and middle years, because of the many important things that happened within 2000-2006.

So many important songs, movies, and TV shows came out around that period in time that their existence will be heavily acknowledged. I mean seriously, who's going to forget 50 Cent, Kelly Clarkson, Mean Girls, Finding Memo, American Idol, and Veronica Mars? Those years were really special for pop culture, and they deserve to be remembered.

I think in the future when people hear "The 2000s" they're gonna think of the early and middle years, because of the many important things that happened within 2000-2006.

So many important songs, movies, and TV shows came out around that period in time that their existence will be heavily acknowledged. I mean seriously, who's going to forget 50 Cent, Kelly Clarkson, Mean Girls, Finding Memo, American Idol, and Veronica Mars? Those years were really special for pop culture, and they deserve to be remembered.
And they will. I think by 2020, people will remember important things of the 00s just like they are remembering important things of the 90s today.

actually, the early 90s babies were not children during most of the 2000s so the mainstream stuff was targeted at them as well (The targeted audience for the mainstream stuff are people from 10/11 to 25 years old). People born in 1990 were in middle and high school from 2001/02 to 2008/09. 1991 babies were in middle and high school from 2002/03 to 2009/10. 1992 babies were in middle and high school from 2003/04 to 2010/11. Last, 1993 babies were in middle and high school from 2004/05 to 2011/12. Therefore, the early 90s babies' opinions do matter as you if ask them anything about the 2000s, they are definitely going to remember the culture and all its aspects. As for the 90s continuing in until 2005, Visor, you're right, Thats wrong because to me, the 90s were over by 2002/03 as there was a new generation of gaming already (GC/PS2/Xbox). New artists (Nelly, Kelly Clarkson, JT going solo, 50 Cent, Ludacris, Avril Lavigne, Maroon 5, Ashanti, Beyonce going solo, and Nickelback). Fashion was changing. The culture was shifting. New actors in movies and TV shows. Cartoons being crystal clear and not fuzzy. The Iraq war began and Last, there was the rise of reality TV (the good kind).


I disagree. Early 90s babies opinions only matter on the second half of the 2000s. Someone born in 1990 would have been 10 in 2000, whereas they were 15 2005, therefore, not the first half, but the second half.

I disagree. Early 90s babies opinions only matter on the second half of the 2000s. Someone born in 1990 would have been 10 in 2000, whereas they were 15 2005, therefore, not the first half, but the second half.
You do realize people have opinions on things in elementary and middle school right? I bet if you asked a person born in 1990 anything about the early 2000s, he/she could definitely answer your question.

For example: If you asked that person who was 10 when the PS2 was released, you would receive a quality answer.

I disagree. Early 90s babies opinions only matter on the second half of the 2000s. Someone born in 1990 would have been 10 in 2000, whereas they were 15 2005, therefore, not the first half, but the second half.

A ten year old would be aware of pop culture to have an opinion on it.

You do realize people have opinions on things in elementary and middle school right? I bet if you asked a person born in 1990 anything about the early 2000s, he/she could definitely answer your question.

For example: If you asked that person who was 10 when the PS2 was released, you would receive a quality answer.



A ten year old would be aware of pop culture to have an opinion on it.

Yeah, but at 10 years old, you're still playing outside, watching cartoons, and going to school with recess after lunch. A 10 year old would more likely than not be unaware of the hottest movies, TV shows (those aimed @ teens & young adults), and about half of the music. They're not the target audience of it. Only those of "target audience age" and older only have relevant opinions on the matter. A.k.a. 70s and 80s babies.

Yeah, but at 10 years old, you're still playing outside, watching cartoons, and going to school with recess after lunch. A 10 year old would more likely than not be unaware of the hottest movies, TV shows (those aimed @ teens & young adults), and about half of the music. They're not the target audience of it. Only those of "target audience age" and older only have relevant opinions on the matter. A.k.a. 70s and 80s babies.
If you have older siblings or older friends like I did, then it's not that hard to tell what's popular and what's not among teens and 20-somethings.

Yeah, but at 10 years old, you're still playing outside, watching cartoons, and going to school with recess after lunch. A 10 year old would more likely than not be unaware of the hottest movies, TV shows (those aimed @ teens & young adults), and about half of the music. They're not the target audience of it. Only those of "target audience age" and older only have relevant opinions on the matter. A.k.a. 70s and 80s babies.

Just because someone isn't the target audience doesn't mean they can't develop an opinion on it if they're exposed to it. If they were too young when something came out but got to see it later, their perspective is still relevant. 10 isn't super young, it's getting towards middle school years, and some of those kids are 11 at the youngest if it's 6th grade.

Yeah, but at 10 years old, you're still playing outside, watching cartoons, and going to school with recess after lunch. A 10 year old would more likely than not be unaware of the hottest movies, TV shows (those aimed @ teens & young adults), and about half of the music. They're not the target audience of it. Only those of "target audience age" and older only have relevant opinions on the matter. A.k.a. 70s and 80s babies.
You're right they are still doing that, but 10 year olds are part of the target audience for things. I bet some 90s babies can remember 7th Heaven, Friends, Dawson's Creek, Buffy the Vampire Slayer, 70s Show, Malcolm in the Middle, What I Like About You, and 8 Simple Rules. If you ask any early 90s baby, they would also remember Britney Spears, Christina Aguilera, N'Sync, Nelly, Ashanti, Ja Rule, Mya, Backstreet Boys, Kelly Clarkson, Ludacris, J-Lo, Destiny's Child and B2K who were all there in the early 2000s. For movies, there was American Pie 2, Bring It On, Cruel Intentions 2, Wet Hot American Summer, Get Over It, Bully, Big Fat Liar, Freaky Friday, Mean Girls, American Wedding and any earlier DCOMs (Disney Channel Original Movies). Even though 10 year olds are kids, they are also on the pre-teen side as well in which pre-teens are also the target audience along with teenagers and young adults.


Just because someone isn't the target audience doesn't mean they can't develop an opinion on it if they're exposed to it. If they were too young when something came out but got to see it later, their perspective is still relevant. 10 isn't super young, it's getting towards middle school years, and some of those kids are 11 at the youngest if it's 6th grade.
I agree with you, 10 year olds are very close to middle school age and they are about to enter a new stage which is completely different.

You're right they are still doing that, but 10 year olds are part of the target audience for things. I bet some 90s babies can remember 7th Heaven, Friends, Dawson's Creek, Buffy the Vampire Slayer, 70s Show, Malcolm in the Middle, What I Like About You, and 8 Simple Rules. If you ask any early 90s baby, they would also remember Britney Spears, Christina Aguilera, N'Sync, Nelly, Ashanti, Ja Rule, Mya, Backstreet Boys, Kelly Clarkson, Ludacris, J-Lo, Destiny's Child and B2K who were all there in the early 2000s. For movies, there was American Pie 2, Bring It On, Cruel Intentions 2, Wet Hot American Summer, Get Over It, Bully, Big Fat Liar, Freaky Friday, Mean Girls, American Wedding and any earlier DCOMs (Disney Channel Original Movies). Even though 10 year olds are kids, they are also on the pre-teen side as well in which pre-teens are also the target audience along with teenagers and young adults.
I agree with you, 10 year olds are very close to middle school age and they are about to enter a new stage which is completely different.

Even eight and nine year olds might have watched those shows. Some were alright for the whole family, others not, but alot of kids don't JUST like cartoons and things tailor made for them. When I was ten I noticed a change in the way kids thought. Girls were just starting to get boy crazy, though it was still innocent. That was in the 4th grade, more so yet in 5th grade. 3rd grade kids thought completely like kids still. Some elementaries go till 6th grade like mine, and 12 year olds were the oldest. Maybe some just turned 13 on the late end of it even. The environment is still more childhood-like than jr. high or middle school though when you're still there.

Yeah, but at 10 years old, you're still playing outside, watching cartoons, and going to school with recess after lunch. A 10 year old would more likely than not be unaware of the hottest movies, TV shows (those aimed @ teens & young adults), and about half of the music. They're not the target audience of it. Only those of "target audience age" and older only have relevant opinions on the matter. A.k.a. 70s and 80s babies.


You're seriously saying that people born in the early 1990s didn't have a solid understanding of what was popular in the early 2000s? I'm sorry but that's just wrong.

Geez, you're all ganging up on me here. *rolls eyes* What I'm saying is, if you were only 10-12 years old, you're memories of what was popular at the time is going to be vague. You're going to have to look up on internet what was popular during those years if you wanna know more than just a few things. When I thought I knew what was popular in the mid 2000s, I realized I barely knew anything and I had to do research in order to know what was popular during those days. I even started a thread about it. Therefore, it would be the same for early 90s babies.

Even eight and nine year olds might have watched those shows. Some were alright for the whole family, others not, but alot of kids don't JUST like cartoons and things tailor made for them. When I was ten I noticed a change in the way kids thought. Girls were just starting to get boy crazy, though it was still innocent. That was in the 4th grade, more so yet in 5th grade. 3rd grade kids thought completely like kids still. Some elementaries go till 6th grade like mine, and 12 year olds were the oldest. Maybe some just turned 13 on the late end of it even. The environment is still more childhood-like than jr. high or middle school though when you're still there.
Yeah, kids don't just watch cartoons, they watch live action shows too. By the time, kids are around 10, they start looking at the opposite gender and won't be disgusted or make bad jokes about them. Even though elementary school still has a childhood feeling, you start not to  feel it anymore in 5th grade as it is your last year of school before you enter a new stage (middle school).


Geez, you're all ganging up on me here. *rolls eyes* What I'm saying is, if you were only 10-12 years old, you're memories of what was popular at the time is going to be vague. You're going to have to look up on internet what was popular during those years if you wanna know more than just a few things. When I thought I knew what was popular in the mid 2000s, I realized I barely knew anything and I had to do research in order to know what was popular during those days. I even started a thread about it. Therefore, it would be the same for early 90s babies.
10 to 12 year olds participate in cultural trends so they are going to remember what was popular during that time. Early 90s babies were 10 or close to it in the early 00s giving them time to enjoy and appreciate what was popular. All those artists I listed were popular in the early 00s and I remember hearing all of them on the radio. I can even remember the fashion of the early 00s such as platform flipflops, designs on skirts, baggy jeans (they continued from the 90s), backless shirts,  flare jeans,  and metallic clothing.

I also have to disagree. Pop cultural memories might be vague between age 4-8, but when it comes to 10-12, people should pretty much know about what was going on.

So many important songs, movies, and TV shows came out around that period in time that their existence will be heavily acknowledged. I mean seriously, who's going to forget 50 Cent, Kelly Clarkson, Mean Girls, Finding Memo, American Idol, and Veronica Mars? Those years were really special for pop culture, and they deserve to be remembered.

I'd rather forget most of those things that came out.

A ten year old would be aware of pop culture to have an opinion on it.


But they would be too young to remember most pop culture.

I'd rather forget most of those things that came out.


Yeah, well, you were already out of the target audience by the time this stuff was around. Someone who was about 5-10 years younger would probably like that stuff more.

Geez, you're all ganging up on me here. *rolls eyes* What I'm saying is, if you were only 10-12 years old, you're memories of what was popular at the time is going to be vague. You're going to have to look up on internet what was popular during those years if you wanna know more than just a few things. When I thought I knew what was popular in the mid 2000s, I realized I barely knew anything and I had to do research in order to know what was popular during those days. I even started a thread about it. Therefore, it would be the same for early 90s babies.

Even as a teenager I still didn't know EVERYTHING that was "in" and just because the media plays something up like it's so great doesn't mean an individual won't have their own mind about it.


Yeah, kids don't just watch cartoons, they watch live action shows too. By the time, kids are around 10, they start looking at the opposite gender and won't be disgusted or make bad jokes about them. Even though elementary school still has a childhood feeling, you start not to  feel it anymore in 5th grade as it is your last year of school before you enter a new stage (middle school).
10 to 12 year olds participate in cultural trends so they are going to remember what was popular during that time. Early 90s babies were 10 or close to it in the early 00s giving them time to enjoy and appreciate what was popular. All those artists I listed were popular in the early 00s and I remember hearing all of them on the radio. I can even remember the fashion of the early 00s such as platform flipflops, designs on skirts, baggy jeans (they continued from the 90s), backless shirts,  flare jeans,  and metallic clothing.

When I was in early grade school, six to eight years old or so, I'd watch sitcoms on TV and not just cartoons. 5th grade still felt like grade school, but they were growing up. Middle school you had to drop any childhood interests you had and fit in right away, because they all thought they had to act older.  ::)

When I was in early grade school, six to eight years old or so, I'd watch sitcoms on TV and not just cartoons. 5th grade still felt like grade school, but they were growing up. Middle school you had to drop any childhood interests you had and fit in right away, because they all thought they had to act older.  ::)
Thats true. By the time I graduated from 5th grade, It was time for me to move on from childhood items and find new interests, but I was actually done with that stuff before I turned 10. I also started watching sitcoms around that age or earlier and the first ones I watched were Full House, Boy Meets World, Sister Sister, All That, Kenan and Kel, Smart Guy, The Nanny, Fresh Prince, The Cosby Show, Clarissa Explains it All, and maybe Home Improvement.

Geez, you're all ganging up on me here. *rolls eyes* What I'm saying is, if you were only 10-12 years old, you're memories of what was popular at the time is going to be vague. You're going to have to look up on internet what was popular during those years if you wanna know more than just a few things. When I thought I knew what was popular in the mid 2000s, I realized I barely knew anything and I had to do research in order to know what was popular during those days. I even started a thread about it. Therefore, it would be the same for early 90s babies.


10-12 is not early childhood. Your memories are going to be very well established by that time. I was born in 1992 and have a pretty direct memory of what was popular from the summer of 1997 onwards. And certainly by the early 2000s. You really think people born in the early 1990s (1990-93) have trouble remembering 2000? You are clearly off base here, man.

10-12 is not early childhood. Your memories are going to be very well established by that time. I was born in 1992 and have a pretty direct memory of what was popular from the summer of 1997 onwards. And certainly by the early 2000s. You really think people born in the early 1990s (1990-93) have trouble remembering 2000? You are clearly off base here, man.


Stop twisting my words around! What I was saying is you'll get an idea of what was popular at the time, but compare a 10 year year old to a 20 year old and the 20 year old is going to know pretty much everything that's cool, while a 10 year old will probably only name the hottest, most heavily advertised things.

Let's go back to 2005, when I was 9/10 years old. My sister was 19/20 years old. If you were to ask me what was hot on the radio, at the theater, and on television, I could only name a few things. Music, I would have said "Since U Been Gone" and "Boulevard of Broken Dreams" (pretty much the most ubiquitous songs of '05), movies I would have said "Fantastic 4" and "Star Wars Episode 3: Revenge of the Sith" (I remember them being HUGELY promoted), and TV I would have said American Idol and Teen Titans. My sister would have mention numerous things in more detail. A kid at 10 years old would have mostly remembered the most heavily advertised "in your face" pop culture and not the more "humble" popular stuff.

Stop twisting my words around! What I was saying is you'll get an idea of what was popular at the time, but compare a 10 year year old to a 20 year old and the 20 year old is going to know pretty much everything that's cool, while a 10 year old will probably only name the hottest, most heavily advertised things.

Let's go back to 2005, when I was 9/10 years old. My sister was 19/20 years old. If you were to ask me what was hot on the radio, at the theater, and on television, I could only name a few things. Music, I would have said "Since U Been Gone" and "Boulevard of Broken Dreams" (pretty much the most ubiquitous songs of '05), movies I would have said "Fantastic 4" and "Star Wars Episode 3: Revenge of the Sith" (I remember them being HUGELY promoted), and TV I would have said American Idol and Teen Titans. My sister would have mention numerous things in more detail. A kid at 10 years old would have mostly remembered the most heavily advertised "in your face" pop culture and not the more "humble" popular stuff.
You dont remember Hurricane Katrina?

You dont remember Hurricane Katrina?


Yeah I remember Hurricane Katrina, it was everywhere on the news for ages. But I was talking about pop culture, not world events.

Yeah I remember Hurricane Katrina, it was everywhere on the news for ages. But I was talking about pop culture, not world events.
Ohhh. Now I see. I don't understand why you can't remember lots of things from 2005. When I was 9/10 in 2003,  I remember who was on the radio such as Beyonce, Christina Aguilera, Ludacris, ashanti, 50 cent, usher, and Justin Timberlake.  On tv, there was  lizzie McGuire,  even Stevens, friends,  charmed, dexters lab, TMNT 2003 cartoon,  buffy the Vampire slayer, lilo and stitch the series and 7th Heaven. Movies were cheaper by the dozen, finding nemo, freaky friday, 2 fast 2 furious, X2, Matrix reloaded,  hulk, scary movie 3 and spy kids 3.

There's something very weird/interesting I noticed about 2006. Some 90s kids think hip-hop "died" in this year, when Proof died. Guess when he died? April 11, 2006. Guess what happened a day before that? Cartoon Network re-branded from the CN City era to the YES! era (featuring Fred Fredburger and Cheese doing random stuff behind a red background), and according to the aforementioned 90s kids, that's when it started to go downhill.

There's something very weird/interesting I noticed about 2006. Some 90s kids think hip-hop "died" in this year, when Proof died. Guess when he died? April 11, 2006. Guess what happened a day before that? Cartoon Network re-branded from the CN City era to the YES! era (featuring Fred Fredburger and Cheese doing random stuff behind a red background), and according to the aforementioned 90s kids, that's when it started to go downhill.
hip-hop never died, it just changed. And as for the yes era of cartoon network, that wasn't a bad era because there was still on some good cartoons. I don't understand why some 90s kids think they're superior.

hip-hop never died, it just changed. And as for the yes era of cartoon network, that wasn't a bad era because there was still on some good cartoons. I don't understand why some 90s kids think they're superior.

Would you say hip-hop declined in quality, though?

but compare a 10 year year old to a 20 year old and the 20 year old is going to know pretty much everything that's cool, while a 10 year old will probably only name the hottest, most heavily advertised things.


I actually know more about 1996 pop culturally than about 2006. I can't Name one song from that year... just an example.

Would you say hip-hop declined in quality, though?
yeah, as it was mostly glam rap, but not all mainstream rap was glam rap.

Thats true. By the time I graduated from 5th grade, It was time for me to move on from childhood items and find new interests, but I was actually done with that stuff before I turned 10. I also started watching sitcoms around that age or earlier and the first ones I watched were Full House, Boy Meets World, Sister Sister, All That, Kenan and Kel, Smart Guy, The Nanny, Fresh Prince, The Cosby Show, Clarissa Explains it All, and maybe Home Improvement.

When I was 10 I still had some childhood interests, age 10 was 4th grade for me. I used to watch all those shows too, some of them when I was in the 1st and 2nd grade.

When I was 10 I still had some childhood interests, age 10 was 4th grade for me. I used to watch all those shows too, some of them when I was in the 1st and 2nd grade.
I didn't really give up all of my childhood interests, I still played video games, board games, played some ball with friends and play tag/hide and seek/freeze tag once in awhile. I did too until those shows started disappearing off TV.

I think I got out of cartoons by 11. I actually played with wrestling figures as late as 1, maybe 14.

Yeah, well, you were already out of the target audience by the time this stuff was around. Someone who was about 5-10 years younger would probably like that stuff more.


Most of those singers aren't my cup of tea. It's mostly for the younger generation.

Cartoon Network re-branded from the CN City era to the YES! era

I remember when that change happened.

Would you say hip-hop declined in quality, though?


Maybe the sound-part of it declined.

I remember when that change happened.

How mad where you when it happened? You're 40, but from what I've heard a lot of older fans already gave up on CN in 2003/2004.

How mad where you when it happened? You're 40, but from what I've heard a lot of older fans already gave up on CN in 2003/2004.


you know Zelek, I rarely watch Cartoon Network anymore.

I think I got out of cartoons by 11. I actually played with wrestling figures as late as 1, maybe 14.

A girl I was friend's with had wrestling figures and she brought them over once. We were 14 too. We still watched cartoons. Even when I was 19 and out of school and would watch them before work in the morning out of boredom. These days I don't, nor anything on TV for that matter too much.

As I become more knowledgeable about 2000s culture, I realized that the early 2000s are not as '90s-like as people think. I believe the only reason why people think this is because the 2000s are still too recent to really define them, and as we move further away, the picture becomes clearer to see.

2002 for instance, Ashanti, Avril Lavigne, Puddle of Mudd, Kelly Clarkson, B2K, No Doubt's "Rock Steady" album, Nelly's "Nellyville", Christina Aguilera's "Stripped" album, Justin Timberlake's "Justified" album; I can't imagine that music being popular in the '90s. They don't sound "90s" at all. 1999 may had been only three years earlier, but musical styles had already evolved enough to sound different. Because of that, I just don't see 2002 as "90s".

1999-2001, or 1998-2002, was it's own era.  It was not completely 90s and not completely 00s but in comparison to the later 00s it looks dated, so people tend to associate it with the 90s. That's a phenomenon I notice since about 3 years.

1999-2001, or 1998-2002, was it's own era.  It was not completely 90s and not completely 00s but in comparison to the later 00s it looks dated, so people tend to associate it with the 90s. That's a phenomenon I notice since about 3 years.


Yes, it was a distinct time with the boybands, trance and frosted tips. I remember lots of Latin/Spanish music and also fake Spanish music like the ketchup song. Was that all in this era?

As I become more knowledgeable about 2000s culture, I realized that the early 2000s are not as '90s-like as people think. I believe the only reason why people think this is because the 2000s are still too recent to really define them, and as we move further away, the picture becomes clearer to see.

2002 for instance, Ashanti, Avril Lavigne, Puddle of Mudd, Kelly Clarkson, B2K, No Doubt's "Rock Steady" album, Nelly's "Nellyville", Christina Aguilera's "Stripped" album, Justin Timberlake's "Justified" album; I can't imagine that music being popular in the '90s. They don't sound "90s" at all. 1999 may had been only three years earlier, but musical styles had already evolved enough to sound different. Because of that, I just don't see 2002 as "90s".


After the '80s in which music sounded pretty similar for quite a few years, it really evolved very quickly throughout the entire '90s decade until about 2002 when it became stagnant again.  Every two years from around 1988 through 2002 had a distinct sound.

Yes, it was a distinct time with the boybands, trance and frosted tips. I remember lots of Latin/Spanish music and also fake Spanish music like the ketchup song. Was that all in this era?


The Ketchup Song was 2002.

2002 for instance, Ashanti, Avril Lavigne, Puddle of Mudd, Kelly Clarkson, B2K, No Doubt's "Rock Steady" album, Nelly's "Nellyville", Christina Aguilera's "Stripped" album, Justin Timberlake's "Justified" album; I can't imagine that music being popular in the '90s. They don't sound "90s" at all. 1999 may had been only three years earlier, but musical styles had already evolved enough to sound different. Because of that, I just don't see 2002 as "90s".
I could actually see Avril being popular in the 90s, but she would have been a lot more brash if that were the case. Compared to the riot grrrls of the 90s, Avril is quite safe.
Ashanti's first album doesn't sound that different from anything that came out in 1999.
Teen pop was also still fairly popular as late as 2004 from what I remember.

Ashanti's first album doesn't sound that different from anything that came out in 1999.
Teen pop was also still fairly popular as late as 2004 from what I remember.


We are at complete odds on those cases. Ashanti's first album is fairly mellow, it has a kind of funky lounge vibe to it that wasn't present in music from 1999, just listen to "Foolish". Kelly Clarkson's first album is largely the same way, just listen to "What's Up Lonely".

Teen Pop was not around in '04. Radio Disney doesn't count. The last year Teen pop was popular was in '02, and that was just NSYNC only keeping it alive. By early 2002, Teen pop was just hanging on to it's relevance by only a few fingers. By the summer of that year, it was gone.

We are at complete odds on those cases. Ashanti's first album is fairly mellow, it has a kind of funky lounge vibe to it that wasn't present in music from 1999, just listen to "Foolish". Kelly Clarkson's first album is largely the same way, just listen to "What's Up Lonely".

Teen Pop was not around in '04. Radio Disney doesn't count. The last year Teen pop was popular was in '02, and that was just NSYNC only keeping it alive. By early 2002, Teen pop was just hanging on to it's relevance by only a few fingers. By the summer of that year, it was gone.
Funky lounge music like that was fairly common like that in the 90s, Des'ree and Mariah Carey are prime examples.
Teen pop music also generally not relevant outside of Radio Disney anyway, it just happens to peak on the hot 100 every now and then. 2004 was the last year that late 90s style teen pop was still being released, even on radio Disney. I remember this because I used to listen to RD a lot during that time, and when 2005 hit, a lot of the music just sounded different.

The last year Teen pop was popular was in '02


I would say so, too. As early as 2004 it was already easily possible to notice the "datedness" of the millennial music era.

Grownups was a good Adam Sandler movie, and it's newer.
I never saw Lady In The Water, I have only seen The Village and it wasn't all that good.
Not into Daft Punk.
The last good Era of WWE was Attitude. The good days ended in 2002.
Adult Swim still has entertaining, but weird, shows. The Squidbillies for example.
I followed WWE when it was called WWF in 1997-1998. The height popularity peak of WWE/WWF was 1997-2000 I think. I remember when wrestling was shown on Saturday Mornings on tape I think in the early 90's. The sport has come far from a television standpoint from where it was in the early 90's I will say.

I followed WWE when it was called WWF in 1997-1998. The height popularity peak of WWE/WWF was 1997-2000 I think. I remember when wrestling was shown on Saturday Mornings on tape I think in the early 90's. The sport has come far from a television standpoint from where it was in the early 90's I will say.

I follow WWE but now after this stupid PG format, some shows are just unwatchable. I don't watch it as much as I used to.

I followed WWE when it was called WWF in 1997-1998. The height popularity peak of WWE/WWF was 1997-2000 I think. I remember when wrestling was shown on Saturday Mornings on tape I think in the early 90's. The sport has come far from a television standpoint from where it was in the early 90's I will say.

2001 I think was the last of the good days of wrestling.

I would say so, too. As early as 2004 it was already easily possible to notice the "datedness" of the millennial music era.


Agreed. I remember that in my chemistry class in the fall of that year, some girls were talking about a then-recent Backstreet Boys video they saw and they were snickering about how they still made the sort of overwrought romantic hand gestures while singing that they were famous for. They mentioned it in a way that suggested a sort of nostalgia, seeing it as cute but in a dorky and slightly passé way.

2001 I think was the last of the good days of wrestling.


Then it all went downhill when John Cena came on the scene. Do you know who John Cena is? ???

Teen Pop was not around in '04. Radio Disney doesn't count. The last year Teen pop was popular was in '02, and that was just NSYNC only keeping it alive. By early 2002, Teen pop was just hanging on to it's relevance by only a few fingers. By the summer of that year, it was gone.


Teen pop always comes and goes in waves.  The millennial teen pop era began in 1996 with the Spice Girls and ended like you said in 2002 when N'Sync broke up.

We are currently also in a teen pop era that began in 2008 with Miley Cyrus and the Jonas Brothers and is still ongoing.

Teen pop always comes and goes in waves.  The millennial teen pop era began in 1996 with the Spice Girls and ended like you said in 2002 when N'Sync broke up.

We are currently also in a teen pop era that began in 2008 with Miley Cyrus and the Jonas Brothers and is still ongoing.
Miley Cyrus is not teen pop anymore, in fact she basically denies any connection with Hannah Montana whatsoever.
And The Jonas Brothers broke up a couple of years ago.

Miley Cyrus is not teen pop anymore, in fact she basically denies any connection with Hannah Montana whatsoever.
And The Jonas Brothers broke up a couple of years ago.


She also isn't near as popular as she was during the Hannah Montana thing.  Now she's a tabloid joke like Britney ca. 2006.  And yeah I am aware the Jonas Brothers are no more as well.  However, the teen pop era they pioneered is still ongoing.

The bands that pioneered the '90s era such as the Spice Girls and Hanson weren't around when it ended in 2002.

http://Miley Cyrus is not teen pop anymore, in fact she basically denies any connection with Hannah Montana whatsoever.

and now I would call her soft core porn.  ::)

I know a lot of them say things like "the 90s lasted until 2005" and things like that.
I mean mid 90s babies through early 2000s babies think this.


Hmm, I can't imagine why anyone would say that. They are two completely different decades. The cultures were different, the fashion, the music, everything. Guess I don't have the answer to that!

Hmm, I can't imagine why anyone would say that. They are two completely different decades. The cultures were different, the fashion, the music, everything. Guess I don't have the answer to that!


Maybe the late 90s were. 1998-2005 as one era would still be reasonable, but anything else would be too much.

Maybe the late 90s were. 1998-2005 as one era would still be reasonable, but anything else would be too much.


I don't agree. As I listen to music from 1998, I can tell alot of songs would not have been as popular past the year 2000. For instance, listen to artists Mase, Total, Will Smith, or The Goo Goo Dolls. Their 1998 songs wouldn't have been popular by 2001/02. There's a reason why Will Smith and The Goo Goo Dolls haven't been as successful since 1998–2000. In order for them to stay popular and have more hits, they had to change their sound. Mase had two Top 40 hits on the Billboard Hot 100 in 2004, both charting in the lower regions. Those songs too, sound completely different from the songs he popularized during his 1998 heyday. Total wasn't even around after 2000. But that's just American culture, since you're German, I don't know what the late '90s–mid '00s was like there, so I can't say.

You shouldn't go too much into detail. Of course the culture of the late 90s was different from the culture in the mid 00s if you start to do a deep analysis. Even 2000 or 2001 was very different from 2005. However, if you look at it on the surface, you could say that the late 90s culture still had relevance until 2005ish. You also shouldn't forget that not every new trend gets immediately adopted. 

But that's just American culture, since you're German, I don't know what the late '90s–mid '00s was like there, so I can't say.

The pop culture is pretty similar, especially after the internet got big. We also watch(ed) the same TV series over here and listen(ed) to the same pop music (except for country music -> even though I personally like it).

I don't agree. As I listen to music from 1998, I can tell alot of songs would not have been as popular past the year 2000. For instance, listen to artists Mase, Total, Will Smith, or The Goo Goo Dolls. Their 1998 songs wouldn't have been popular by 2001/02. There's a reason why Will Smith and The Goo Goo Dolls haven't been as successful since 1998–2000. In order for them to stay popular and have more hits, they had to change their sound. Mase had two Top 40 hits on the Billboard Hot 100 in 2004, both charting in the lower regions. Those songs too, sound completely different from the songs he popularized during his 1998 heyday. Total wasn't even around after 2000. But that's just American culture, since you're German, I don't know what the late '90s–mid '00s was like there, so I can't say.
I used to hear a lot of music from 1998 on pop stations in 2005, and it didn't sound that dated compared to the other stuff they played, at least to me anyway.

I don't agree. As I listen to music from 1998, I can tell alot of songs would not have been as popular past the year 2000. For instance, listen to artists Mase, Total, Will Smith, or The Goo Goo Dolls. Their 1998 songs wouldn't have been popular by 2001/02. There's a reason why Will Smith and The Goo Goo Dolls haven't been as successful since 1998–2000. In order for them to stay popular and have more hits, they had to change their sound. Mase had two Top 40 hits on the Billboard Hot 100 in 2004, both charting in the lower regions. Those songs too, sound completely different from the songs he popularized during his 1998 heyday. Total wasn't even around after 2000. But that's just American culture, since you're German, I don't know what the late '90s–mid '00s was like there, so I can't say.


Not quite right, the Goo Goo Dolls actually had a big hit in 2002 with "Here Is Gone". Their sound stayed fairly current until 2006/2007.

And Mase retired rather abruptly, which is why he wasn't particularly relevant after 1999.

She also isn't near as popular as she was during the Hannah Montana thing.  Now she's a tabloid joke like Britney ca. 2006.  And yeah I am aware the Jonas Brothers are no more as well.  However, the teen pop era they pioneered is still ongoing.

The bands that pioneered the '90s era such as the Spice Girls and Hanson weren't around when it ended in 2002.
If you listened to radio disney today, most of the artists like Selena Gomez, Miley Cyrus, and Justin Bieber, are not relevant to their listeners anymore. Even Ariana Grande is moving away from teen pop.

Not quite right, the Goo Goo Dolls actually had a big hit in 2002 with "Here Is Gone". Their sound stayed fairly current until 2006/2007.

And Mase retired rather abruptly, which is why he wasn't particularly relevant after 1999.


"Here Is Gone" sounds nothing like anything from their album "Dizzy Up the Girl". 2002 is when their sound changed, it sounded less "90s". Listen to Mase's "Feel So Good" (1997) to "Breathe, Stretch, Shake" (2004). They sound totally different.

If you listened to radio disney today, most of the artists like Selena Gomez, Miley Cyrus, and Justin Bieber, are not relevant to their listeners anymore. Even Ariana Grande is moving away from teen pop.

Ditto. As a matter of fact, you could even say she has already strayed.

"Here Is Gone" sounds nothing like anything from their album "Dizzy Up the Girl". 2002 is when their sound changed, it sounded less "90s".


I never noticed much of a difference, personally. A bit lighter rock.

She also isn't near as popular as she was during the Hannah Montana thing.  Now she's a tabloid joke like Britney ca. 2006.  And yeah I am aware the Jonas Brothers are no more as well.  However, the teen pop era they pioneered is still ongoing.

The bands that pioneered the '90s era such as the Spice Girls and Hanson weren't around when it ended in 2002.
Miley Cyrus had hits 2 top 2 hits last year with 1 #1 hit and now you are saying she is a tabloid joke? Isn't that a little far fetched for you to say?

Hanson was a 1 hit wonder with" MMM Bop".

If you listened to radio disney today, most of the artists like Selena Gomez, Miley Cyrus, and Justin Bieber, are not relevant to their listeners anymore. Even Ariana Grande is moving away from teen pop.
Isn't Ariana Grande a new artist and your saying she already has strayed from teen-pop? I don't know I don't follow most of the music scene nowadays so you might have to educate me about Ariana Grande.

I agree with you Miley Cyrus is no longer a teen idol. Justin Bieber is still a teen idol though in my eyes.

Not quite right, the Goo Goo Dolls actually had a big hit in 2002 with "Here Is Gone". Their sound stayed fairly current until 2006/2007.

And Mase retired rather abruptly, which is why he wasn't particularly relevant after 1999.
"Give A Little Bit" from 2004 had radio airplay(I remember hearing it at the time) and it peaked at #37 and "Better Days" in 2005 peaked at #36. I l remember hearing that song too.

I agree with you Miley Cyrus is no longer a teen idol. Justin Bieber is still a teen idol though in my eyes.

and they're relevant.

Isn't Ariana Grande a new artist and your saying she already has strayed from teen-pop? I don't know I don't follow most of the music scene nowadays so you might have to educate me about Ariana Grande.

I agree with you Miley Cyrus is no longer a teen idol. Justin Bieber is still a teen idol though in my eyes.
A lot of teen pop stars remain relatively undiscussed by the mainstream media until they have made a crossover hit.
for example, Hilary duff had one of the top selling albums of 2003, yet you would hardly hear her music outside of radio Disney.

Miley Cyrus had hits 2 top 2 hits last year with 1 #1 hit and now you are saying she is a tabloid joke? Isn't that a little far fetched for you to say?

Hanson was a 1 hit wonder with" MMM Bop".


No they weren't. They had 3 other American Top 40 hits. They are:

"Where's the Love" - US Billboard Hot 100 Airplay: #27 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Where%27s_the_Love
"I Will Come to You" - US Billboard Hot 100: #9 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanson_discography
"This Time Around" - US Billboard Hot 100: #20 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanson_discography

They may have only had one memorable hit, but they didn't have absolutely no hits afterwards.

No they weren't. They had 3 other American Top 40 hits. They are:

"Where's the Love" - US Billboard Hot 100 Airplay: #27 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Where%27s_the_Love
"I Will Come to You" - US Billboard Hot 100: #9 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanson_discography
"This Time Around" - US Billboard Hot 100: #20 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanson_discography

They may have only had one memorable hit, but they didn't have absolutely no hits afterwards.
I don't even remember Hanson's other hits besides "MMMBop".

I don't even remember Hanson's other hits besides "MMMBop".


They're really good. Give then a try. I love " I Will Come to You".

Not quite right, the Goo Goo Dolls actually had a big hit in 2002 with "Here Is Gone". Their sound stayed fairly current until 2006/2007.



Yeah I could see Goo Goo Dolls making a hit even today. Their sound would fit the "generic pop-rock" today.

Then it all went downhill when John Cena came on the scene. Do you know who John Cena is? ???
He is still around. He lost the other night on RAW to Dean Ambrose. One of the guys at work was watching this weeks RAW on youtube so I saw that match.

I thought Kurt Angle instead of Cena really didn't have the appeal of the "Attitude Era" wrestlers. He debut(Angle) maybe toward the end of the "Attitude" era. I could be wrong on when he debut. He wasn't likeable to me like Stone Cold, The Undertaker, Man Kind, or even the guy you love to hate like Shawn Michaels.

He is still around. He lost the other night on RAW to Dean Ambrose. One of the guys at work was watching this weeks RAW on youtube so I saw that match.


Well well you know your wrestling. O0


I thought Kurt Angle instead of Cena really didn't have the appeal of the "Attitude Era" wrestlers


So you thought Kurt Angle had "ruthless aggression"?

He is still around. He lost the other night on RAW to Dean Ambrose. One of the guys at work was watching this weeks RAW on youtube so I saw that match.

I thought Kurt Angle instead of Cena really didn't have the appeal of the "Attitude Era" wrestlers. He debut(Angle) maybe toward the end of the "Attitude" era. I could be wrong on when he debut. He wasn't likeable to me like Stone Cold, The Undertaker, Man Kind, or even the guy you love to hate like Shawn Michaels.

I thought it went downhill when they integrated WCW and ECW into it. Kurt Angle had a bit of an obnoxious personality on the show. I want to say that was 1999. Also the whole Y2J thing with Jericho was annoying. He was better in the WCW.

I thought it went downhill when they integrated WCW and ECW into it. Kurt Angle had a bit of an obnoxious personality on the show. I want to say that was 1999. Also the whole Y2J thing with Jericho was annoying. He was better in the WCW.



Chris Jericho was great on RAW and Smackdown, I enjoyed his bantering with Stephanie McMahon. ;D

Chris Jericho was great on RAW and Smackdown, I enjoyed his bantering with Stephanie McMahon. ;D

He called her a dirty bottom feeding skank all the time, lol.

He called her a dirty bottom feeding skank all the time, lol.


Yep those were good times. Do you keep up with today's wrestling because of the kiddie PG era?  ???

As I become more knowledgeable about 2000s culture, I realized that the early 2000s are not as '90s-like as people think. I believe the only reason why people think this is because the 2000s are still too recent to really define them, and as we move further away, the picture becomes clearer to see.

2002 for instance, Ashanti, Avril Lavigne, Puddle of Mudd, Kelly Clarkson, B2K, No Doubt's "Rock Steady" album, Nelly's "Nellyville", Christina Aguilera's "Stripped" album, Justin Timberlake's "Justified" album; I can't imagine that music being popular in the '90s. They don't sound "90s" at all. 1999 may had been only three years earlier, but musical styles had already evolved enough to sound different. Because of that, I just don't see 2002 as "90s".


This.  Although, I'd say 2002 was the last year to still have any LATE 90s influence.  The 1996-ish atmosphere completely vanished in 2003.

Looking back, Early-To Mid 2002 up until maybe September of that year still felt like a 90's childhood to me.  2003 aesthetically, was very different from 2002 and felt decades away from 2000/2001.  It was the year that music completely shifted to crunk/party rap culture and teen pop of any kind ceased to exist.  Rock also became more emo-influenced around that point.  Also, by 2003, Nickelodeon and Cartoon Network had phased out all their 90's shows.  Kids had completely moved on from Rugrats and Pokémon by that point and got hooked on SpongeBob and Yu-Gi-Oh! instead.

But, its just because I moved from my childhood hometown in late 2002.  2003 was a very changeful year for me and my family included.  Maybe it was different for other people on here, but for me, I consider 2003 to be the real dividing between the 90's and and when the 2000's really begin.

This.  Although, I'd say 2002 was the last year to still have any LATE 90s influence.  The 1996-ish atmosphere completely vanished in 2003.

Looking back, Early-To Mid 2002 up until maybe September of that year still felt like a 90's childhood to me.  2003 aesthetically, was very different from 2002 and felt decades away from 2000/2001.  It was the year that music completely shifted to crunk/party rap culture and teen pop of any kind ceased to exist.  Rock also became more emo-influenced around that point.  Also, by 2003, Nickelodeon and Cartoon Network had phased out all their 90's shows.  Kids had completely moved on from Rugrats and Pokémon by that point and got hooked on SpongeBob and Yu-Gi-Oh! instead.

But, its just because I moved from my childhood hometown in late 2002.  2003 was a very changeful year for me and my family included.  Maybe it was different for other people on here, but for me, I consider 2003 to be the real dividing between the 90's and and when the 2000's really begin.


2003 was definitely different from 2000, not so much 2001, with the exception of the early part of it. For instance, some songs, such as "Been So Long (Dangerous)", "Hanging By A Moment", "Drops of Jupiter", "Peaches and Cream", and " What Would You Do" don't sound all that different from 2003 songs. You'd have to listen to pretty much every song that was popular from 2001 and 2003 to understand. Some songs from 2001 did sound '90s though, such as "Angel", " Ms. Jackson", "If You're Gone", " Thank You", and "Independant Women". I'd say 2001 was 50/50.

Some songs from 2001 did sound '90s though, such as "Angel", " Ms. Jackson", "If You're Gone", " Thank You", and "Independant Women". I'd say 2001 was 50/50.


All of those songs were pretty big in the summer and fall of 2000 and remained popular into early 2001.  I would consider them 2000 songs.

Yep those were good times. Do you keep up with today's wrestling because of the kiddie PG era?  ???

Today is the kiddie PG era? Well, I don't know, but it's certainly cleaned up since the laste 90's. ECW was actually the more vulgar one, but not the most popular. I don't keep up with today's wrestling because I don't know where they are right now on storylines and getting into it again would mean having to keep up.

I don't see it as the 90's. I see it as the last classic decade however. 8)

Cartoons being crystal clear and not fuzzy.

I looked on YouTube and that doesn't seem to be the case. ;D

I know every generation does this, but I'm seeing more and more people in their late teens getting nostalgic for the early-mid 2000s. They get nostalgic over things like Crazy Frog, NSYNC, Britney Spears, Blink-182, OutKast, Avril Laverigne, flip phones, PowerPC Macs, Windows XP, and "kids still playing outside," and consider shows like Teen Titans, Danny Phantom, Squirrel Boy, Hi Hi Puffy AmiYumi and Class of 3000 to be "classics."

I'm also seeing more and more people name 2006 as "the last year that could be considered retro" or "the last good year before things went to sh*t." I'm guessing this is because it was the last year of:

Sixth generation gaming (PS2/GCN/Xbox).
A good economy.
The iPod being a huge status symbol and no iPhones.
Unrestricted Internet and no PRISM.
Re-runs of 90s shows on CN and Disney Channel (the "crappy" new shows were coming in, but didn't become popular and replace the old shows until 2007).
"90s" shows like That '70s Show, Charmed, and Malcolm in the Middle.

etc.

Really? The economy didn't get bad until Q4 2008.
And many good shows ran until 08-09 when the decade was over.

I see now. I understand it too since 2006 was 8 years ago, so its not recent anymore. Adult Swim is still good, but some shows are not (Most of the live-action shows), Phineas and Ferb is still a great DC cartoon, but I heard its going downhill. Class of 3000 was a interesting show as it was different than most cartoon network shows during CN's second era and I feel like it was underrated when it premiered. Zatch Bell was really good, but there is anime out today that is good as well. Now as for the last days before tech took over, in 2006, I was in 7th/8th grade and everyone I knew and I was friends with actually had a cellphone, but they werent addicted to it and still made conversations with their friends in school, in class, outside of school and home and kicked with them everyday. I would say 2010 was the last year before technology took over as I saw lots of people in school, outside, and at parties not being on their phones and the fact that even though the Iphone was released in 2007, it wasnt popular until that year (2010).

I second this. Even though I even found 2008 a good, classic year aswell. I find 2010 as the last year before the era we're in now. I was in 8th grade in 2010 and at most, the tech at my school consisted of Ipod shuffles/nanos(I was in baseball around that time and the same can be said there aswell), windows XP, and flipphones. Everyone still talked face to face. And playing out side was still the norm. I recalled the 6th graders doing it the most.

There is one thing I find pretty funny:

2006 = The last year that kids were still playing outside

That statement comes probably from those who stopped playing outside around that time because they thought they were too old  ;D

On the surface, I still don't see much difference in the society of today and the society of 2006. That's probably only visible for younger people.

I've actually been suspecting this, too.

Adding to the idea that "2006 was a 'lasts' year", 2006 was the last year where Disney Channel had re-runs of Even Stevens, Lizzie McGuire, and Sister Sister. They were removed in 2007, after Hannah Montana and High School Musical really took over.

High School Musical was a movie, and I found it pretty classic. It looks old now.

In 2006, and probably earlier. 2006 was also the last year they had House of Mouse, Recess, Braceface, Phil of the Future, and Muppets Tonight.

Man, was there anything 2006 wasn't the last year of?

Good shows.

Funny, I hear a lot of people my age say '04-'06 was the "Golden Age" of Cartoon Network (mostly because of the CN City bumpers) and shows like Hi Hi Puffy AmiYumi, original Ben 10, Teen Titans, Squirrel Boy, and Class of 3000 are "classics." They also think 2007-2009 (the "CN Real" era) was when it went downhill and entered its "Dark Ages" (I think we can all agree on that).

Also, it wasn't the last year of a good economy? Then what was? 2007? Also, when did the sixth generation end if not 2006? I also said 2006 was the last year of no iPhones, not cellphones.

mid-2008 was the last of a good economy. And no-one had an iphone until the decade ended.

Gaming was definitely offline. I got an Xbox 360 in 2006 and up until 2010. The original models didn't come with a Wi-Fi receiver built in. In order to access online, you had to either but a Wi-Fi receiver peripheral or hook your 360 up to Ethernet.

Today is the kiddie PG era? Well, I don't know, but it's certainly cleaned up since the laste 90's. ECW was actually the more vulgar one, but not the most popular. I don't keep up with today's wrestling because I don't know where they are right now on storylines and getting into it again would mean having to keep up.


I don't think you'd want to keep up, I'm not crazy about the product myself because of the PG era and wrestling is not as fun as it used to be when we grew up during the Hulk Hogan generation.

Gaming was definitely offline. I got an Xbox 360 in 2006 and up until 2010. The original models didn't come with a Wi-Fi receiver built in. In order to access online, you had to either but a Wi-Fi receiver peripheral or hook your 360 up to Ethernet.


I got a PS2 in 2007 then later on traded it in for a PS3.

I don't think you'd want to keep up, I'm not crazy about the product myself because of the PG era and wrestling is not as fun as it used to be when we grew up during the Hulk Hogan generation.

I grew up during the time there were three different wrestling shows to watch. WCW, ECW, and WWF before they merged. ECW was the one you might not want to let little kids watch, while WCW was pretty squeaky clean. I was in the upper part of grade school when NWO was the big group on WCW and DX was on WWF. I got into WWF the summer before 7th grade, when I was 12 going on 13 and remember the storylines with Val Venis and those Japanese guys going after him. Sable and how during a pay per view she came out for a bikini contest wearing just paint on top. We could only hear pay per view events on Sunday nights through those squiggly lines on the channel and once in a while you'd see something. Some people had a device that let the signal through like normal for free, which you weren't supposed to have and I don't know how they got them. It was those times in wrestling that got them in a little trouble though and some sponsors dropped them for it. Yeah, I'm totally on a wrestling nostalgia trip right now.  ::)

I grew up during the time there were three different wrestling shows to watch. WCW, ECW, and WWF before they merged. ECW was the one you might not want to let little kids watch, while WCW was pretty squeaky clean. I was in the upper part of grade school when NWO was the big group on WCW and DX was on WWF. I got into WWF the summer before 7th grade, when I was 12 going on 13 and remember the storylines with Val Venis and those Japanese guys going after him. Sable and how during a pay per view she came out for a bikini contest wearing just paint on top. We could only hear pay per view events on Sunday nights through those squiggly lines on the channel and once in a while you'd see something. Some people had a device that let the signal through like normal for free, which you weren't supposed to have and I don't know how they got them. It was those times in wrestling that got them in a little trouble though and some sponsors dropped them for it. Yeah, I'm totally on a wrestling nostalgia trip right now.  ::)


Well, Vince McMahon has hardly any competition these days and wrestling has been kid-friendly. The product has been horrible.

Is that something American, wrestling shows? It isn't mainstream in Europe.

Is that something American, wrestling shows? It isn't mainstream in Europe.


Europe doesn't get The WWE?

We might get it somewhere, but it's not as popular as it is in the US. Same with Football or Baseball. Europeans usually watch soccer.

I was born in 1998 and thanks to my brother, experienced a few things from the 90's and the early 2000's. For example, I remember watching The All-New Captain Kangaroo. Shining Time Station, Magic Adventures of Mumfie, Pokemon and One Saturday Morning with my older brother. I do think up until at least 2004 was when it stopped feeling like the 90's-it just went modern from there. I also think it's because some 90's stuff continued into the early 2000's.

I do think up until at least 2004 was when it stopped feeling like the 90's-it just went modern from there. I also think it's because some 90's stuff continued into the early 2000's.


The early 00s up to ca. 2004 were a continuation of the late 90s, but it definetly did not feel "90s" between 2001-04.

I'm probably the only one with this opinion on this page, but here it goes. I saw 1999-2002 as a transitional era. 1999, 2000 and the very start of 2001 still felt most like a day in the late 90s because the Clinton era cartoons (i.e. Animaniacs) and sitcoms (i.e. Friends) were still TV as reruns or with new seasons. Not to mention, parts to Clinton era movie series (i.e. Jurassic Park trilogy) were still in Theaters. Most of the new stuff introduced in the Clinton era were still hanging around well into the Dubya periods. People may call "Joey" one of the worst sitcoms of all time but some people needed that show in post 9/11 times.

I don't know why "90s kids" (as they are called) take it all the way into 2004-2005. Most of the weekday afternoon blocks were gone by the end of 2002. There were probably still catching some familiar faces on TV. I named "Joey" already, but I can't think of anymore. 2005 wasn't too far away from today. That's probably what they noticed sometime in the early 10s. Think about it, Youtube and Facebook were around at that time.

Most of all, late Millennials cling to 2000-2005 because they were still young. Many of them weren't in their 20s in those years.

I see this all the time on Youtube comments on music videos or lyric videos of songs from 2000 to 2002.

It's the same as me when I was younger, when I was a kid in 1996 I would think a music video from 1991 was from the 80s and grouped it in with the 80s.


1991 was a Bush 1 year like 1989. '91 isn't what I would call "a 90s year". It's "90s" in name, but it's far more memorable than any year of the Clinton 90s. We were still wearing clothes purchased in '89 back in 1991. Children were carrying around toys made in 1987 still back in 1991. We were using lingo that dated back to 1985 or so. All of that changed in 1993.

Most of all, late Millennials cling to 2000-2005 because they were still young. Many of them weren't in their 20s in those years.


I was between 13 and 19 then and I can clearly distinguish between the first half of the 2000s and the 90s. The first half of the 2000s was already the light version of today's culture (technologically). Most of the 90s culture still had more common with the "old world". The way we lived was closer to the 70s and earlier.

In my memory the early 00s do have similarities with the late 90s (from 98 onwards) but not with the mid-90s, though my memories from that period are scarce.
The "golden age" of Cartoon Network ended in 2002 to my taste, when they stopped broadcasting where I live. Shows were Dexter's Laboratory, Cow and Chicken, Powerpuff Girls, Ed, Edd and Eddy, Weasel and Baboon. Now I think about it, those shows had some deep humour which I was unable to understand at the time.

I was between 13 and 19 then and I can clearly distinguish between the first half of the 2000s and the 90s. The first half of the 2000s was already the light version of today's culture (technologically). Most of the 90s culture still had more common with the "old world". The way we lived was closer to the 70s and earlier.


I wasn't talking about Millennials born in '86, but those who were brought into the world from 1987 into the mid 90s. You're correct, most of the  90s culture had more in common in the 70s and earlier.

In my memory the early 00s do have similarities with the late 90s (from 98 onwards) but not with the mid-90s, though my memories from that period are scarce.
The "golden age" of Cartoon Network ended in 2002 to my taste, when they stopped broadcasting where I live. Shows were Dexter's Laboratory, Cow and Chicken, Powerpuff Girls, Ed, Edd and Eddy, Weasel and Baboon. Now I think about it, those shows had some deep humour which I was unable to understand at the time.


Most of those shows you mentioned were knock-offs of the earliest Nickelodeon cartoons (Ren and Stimpy/ Rugrats).

Being the loser that I am, I asked my mother, born in 1965, whether she thinks the 90s are very different compared to today, and she said no, except technologically. I think if you suggested to her that the 90s and 70s were at all similar, she'd laugh in your face, and she has direct experience of both. When I look at videos and images of the 70s, it seems old, and totally alien, with bizarre fashion, very old cars and baby tech (they didn't even have VCR!), but the 90s don't feel that way to me. You could get away with wearing 90s clothing, and driving 90s cars, but the 70s? No way. That, to me, feels like a totally different time in the world, and not at all like today, in any way.

People in my age range tend to view the early 2000s as being very different to now because we were children then and now we're young adults, so to us, it seems like a whole new world. If you were already a teenager by the early 2000s then the differences probably aren't as striking. I wasn't culturally aware then because I was too young, but technologically speaking, there are clear differences between now and then. Technology to me seems far more pervasive now than it was even 10 years ago - a lot of the technology we use now already existed, but it wasn't commonplace as such. Social media has been around for well over a decade, but it wasn't until the rise of Facebook and Twitter in 2009 or so that the concept really took off and became so dominant in everyday life. I saw someone describe social media as 'indie' in 2008 and before, but now it's just something nearly everyone uses.

Likewise, the internet itself is more common than it was - it wasn't until 2004 or 2005 that the internet penetrated the majority of UK households, and that's around the time that digital TV overtook analog TV. The US was further head in that regard, so it really does depend on where in the world you live. When I was in school then, teachers asked if people had internet at home, but it's generally presumed now that everyone does.

I guess the early 2000s were a preview of what was to come, but to me, it seems a long time ago now.


Most of those shows you mentioned were knock-offs of the earliest Nickelodeon cartoons (Ren and Stimpy/ Rugrats).


They were? In what way? I liked them a lot anyway. Rugrats was still making new episodes until 2004, and so was Friends for that matter. I certainly saw plenty new episodes of both TV shows when I was growing up.

They were? In what way? I liked them a lot anyway. Rugrats was still making new episodes until 2004, and so was Friends for that matter. I certainly saw plenty new episodes of both TV shows when I was growing up.


Yes, "Cow and Chicken" and "Dexters' Laboratory" were both buddy comedies with a temperamental lead character and a dopey sidekick like "Ren and Stimpy". "Ed, Edd 'N Eddy" crossed the tropes of "Ren and Stimpy" with those of the "Rugrats".

Most Clinton 90s cartoons were rip-offs of popular shows from the Bush 1 era. I'm glad you enjoyed those shows. I'm sorry to break it to you and other "90s kids", but none of the "Cartoon Cartoons" that made "Cartoon Network" "Nickelodeon 2.0" were ever as big as the first two Nicktoons ("Ren and Stimpy" and "Rugrats").

You're correct, "Rugrats" and "Friends" lasted well into the first Dubya era, but they were most popular in the mid 1990s. From there, "Cartoon Network" animators set out to achieve to more money than the "Nickelodeon" animators did by making lightweight knock-offs of the very first "Nicktoons". The "Cartoon Cartoons" didn't hold depth that "Ren and Stimpy" or "Rugrats" had. So, only "90s kids" will know of "Cartoon Cartoons" and not members of past generations.

Being the loser that I am, I asked my mother, born in 1965, whether she thinks the 90s are very different compared to today, and she said no, except technologically. I think if you suggested to her that the 90s and 70s were at all similar, she'd laugh in your face


Of course, the 70s and 90s weren't similar. But the general way of life was similar because of the lack of the internet. And that's all what I meant.

In 1992, you booked a flight at a travel agency and you had to leave the house. Same for 1972. If you needed books in 1992, you had to go to a bookstore. Same for 1972. Nowadays you read them on-line or order them on-line. There are a lot of other examples. Yes, some people even still used typewriters in the 90s, just like in the 70s.

Most of those shows you mentioned were knock-offs of the earliest Nickelodeon cartoons (Ren and Stimpy/ Rugrats).


Meh.. at least I enjoyed what I saw on TV.
Further, I think too many people equate the inbetween millennium period (1998-2001) with the 90s and therefore lump the early 00s with what they perceive as the 90s, forgetting all of the 90s before that.

Meh.. at least I enjoyed what I saw on TV.
Further, I think too many people equate the inbetween millennium period (1998-2001) with the 90s and therefore lump the early 00s with what they perceive as the 90s, forgetting all of the 90s before that.


The cartoons of the 80s and early 90s were far better.

The in-between period (1999-2002) was a mixed bag. Keanu Reeves was Neo, dial-up internet was used and Sega Dreamcast games were in stores. That was  90s blood boiling in the transitional era. Raunchy teen comedies returned after American Pie was a smash hit in theaters, the first and most memorable season of American Idol premiered and the XBOX brand was first introduced in this time. Those were incoming 2000s markers.

I already brought up the atrocity known as "Joey". Hollywood was trying to hold on to the Clinton 90s a little bit in the Dubya years because they were still testing the waters with all of the new reality shows. 

Yes, "Cow and Chicken" and "Dexters' Laboratory" were both buddy comedies with a temperamental lead character and a dopey sidekick like "Ren and Stimpy". "Ed, Edd 'N Eddy" crossed the tropes of "Ren and Stimpy" with those of the "Rugrats".

Most Clinton 90s cartoons were rip-offs of popular shows from the Bush 1 era. I'm glad you enjoyed those shows. I'm sorry to break it to you and other "90s kids", but none of the "Cartoon Cartoons" that made "Cartoon Network" "Nickelodeon 2.0" were ever as big as the first two Nicktoons ("Ren and Stimpy" and "Rugrats").

You're correct, "Rugrats" and "Friends" lasted well into the first Dubya era, but they were most popular in the mid 1990s. From there, "Cartoon Network" animators set out to achieve to more money than the "Nickelodeon" animators did by making lightweight knock-offs of the very first "Nicktoons". The "Cartoon Cartoons" didn't hold depth that "Ren and Stimpy" or "Rugrats" had. So, only "90s kids" will know of "Cartoon Cartoons" and not members of past generations.

No they weren't...That's utter nonsense. Just because you desperately looked for similarity to compare doesn't make it so. Cow and Chicken was nothing like Ren and Stimpy and for sure not Dexter's Laboratory. Now the 2000's show The Ripping Friends could definately be compared, seeing how it was made by the same people and involved the same, albeit toned down, sort of humor. Some of the 2000's Cartoon Network shows were a little dumbed down, I wasn't a big Ed, Edd, and Eddy fan, nor Johnny Bravo, but there were some good ones too. Jimmy Neutron Boy Genius and Kids Next Door were better for the storylines and weren't overly silly. Total Drama Action was genuinely funny too.

By the way, know the years something ran. Dexter and Cow & Chicken were both late 90's cartoons, with Dexter premiering in 1996.


The cartoons of the 80s and early 90s were far better.

The in-between period (1999-2002) was a mixed bag. Keanu Reeves was Neo, dial-up internet was used and Sega Dreamcast games were in stores. That was  90s blood boiling in the transitional era. Raunchy teen comedies returned after American Pie was a smash hit in theaters, the first and most memorable season of American Idol premiered and the XBOX brand was first introduced in this time. Those were incoming 2000s markers.

I already brought up the atrocity known as "Joey". Hollywood was trying to hold on to the Clinton 90s a little bit in the Dubya years because they were still testing the waters with all of the new reality shows.

Which era had the best cartoons is a matter of opinion and I'm not so closed minded that I can't appreciate them from different decades. Of course you were beyond the cartoon watching age in the late 90's.

The rest of the Matrix movies came out in the 2000's and are associated with that era. Raunchy teen movies began in the late 90's. Can't Hardly Wait comes to mind, of '98.

No they weren't...That's utter nonsense. Just because you desperately looked for similarity to compare doesn't make it so. Cow and Chicken was nothing like Ren and Stimpy and for sure not Dexter's Laboratory. Now the 2000's show The Ripping Friends could definately be compared, seeing how it was made by the same people and involved the same, albeit toned down, sort of humor. Some of the 2000's Cartoon Network shows were a little dumbed down, I wasn't a big Ed, Edd, and Eddy fan, nor Johnny Bravo, but there were some good ones too. Jimmy Neutron Boy Genius and Kids Next Door were better for the storylines and weren't overly silly. Total Drama Action was genuinely funny too.

By the way, know the years something ran. Dexter and Cow & Chicken were both late 90's cartoons, with Dexter premiering in 1996.
Which era had the best cartoons is a matter of opinion and I'm not so closed minded that I can't appreciate them from different decades. Of course you were beyond the cartoon watching age in the late 90's.

The rest of the Matrix movies came out in the 2000's and are associated with that era. Raunchy teen movies began in the late 90's. Can't Hardly Wait comes to mind, of '98.


Age plays a factor in all of this. As a teenager of the early 1990s, I know most Clinton 90s Nicktoons and "Cartoon Cartoons" (Cartoon Network version of Nicktoons) would not exist if Ren and Stimpy (for the most part) and Rugrats never became popular. Let's look at Dexter's Lab, shall we? Dexter was small and temperamental with an overbite. That's Ren Hoek! The dimwitted Dee Dee towered over Dexter with her ever enormous eyes and hands pointing straight ahead behind her back. That's Stimpy for you! Do I really need to go into details over how Cow and Chicken were a rip-off of Ren and Stimpy? I mean, did you see the cutaway segments (I am Baboon)? What didn't the creators borrow from Ren and Stimpy?

The Ripping Friends had a completely different premise from the classic Ren and Stimpy. So, I cannot do anything with them. None of those Cartoon Network "originals" were ever as big as Ren and Stimpy was in 1992. I know the earliest "Cartoon Cartoons" first aired in the late 90s. I understand why most Cartoon Network cartoonist went with the look they had for their cartoons at the time. Cartoon Network was better off as a network than ran toons from the 30s, 40s, 50s and 60s. Now it's the darn "Cartoon Cartoon" Network, everything is an original series on there.


On a side note, I know the last two Matrix films were from 2003. Going to see Keanu Reeves in a major motion picture was a very 90s thing. I was saying the Matrix films were the last time I recall going to see him act in anything. Can't Hardly Wait was more of a drama/teen film than a raunchy teen flick. It reminds me more of Dance Till Dawn (1988) than Porky's. Without American Pie, there could never be Road Trip or Sex Drive. It put raunchy teen flicks back on the map.

Age plays a factor in all of this. As a teenager of the early 1990s, I know most Clinton 90s Nicktoons and "Cartoon Cartoons" (Cartoon Network version of Nicktoons) would not exist if Ren and Stimpy (for the most part) and Rugrats never became popular. Let's look at Dexter's Lab, shall we? Dexter was small and temperamental with an overbite. That's Ren Hoek! The dimwitted Dee Dee towered over Dexter with her ever enormous eyes and hands pointing straight ahead behind her back. That's Stimpy for you! Do I really need to go into details over how Cow and Chicken were a rip-off of Ren and Stimpy? I mean, did you see the cutaway segments (I am Baboon)? What didn't the creators borrow from Ren and Stimpy?

The Ripping Friends had a completely different premise from the classic Ren and Stimpy. So, I cannot do anything with them. None of those Cartoon Network "originals" were ever as big as Ren and Stimpy was in 1992. I know the earliest "Cartoon Cartoons" first aired in the late 90s. I understand why most Cartoon Network cartoonist went with the look they had for their cartoons at the time. Cartoon Network was better off as a network than ran toons from the 30s, 40s, 50s and 60s. Now it's the darn "Cartoon Cartoon" Network, everything is an original series on there.


On a side note, I know the last two Matrix films were from 2003. Going to see Keanu Reeves in a major motion picture was a very 90s thing. I was saying the Matrix films were the last time I recall going to see him act in anything. Can't Hardly Wait was more of a drama/teen film than a raunchy teen flick. It reminds me more of Dance Till Dawn (1988) than Porky's. Without American Pie, there could never be Road Trip or Sex Drive. It put raunchy teen flicks back on the map.


Nice theory, but it's just that - a theory. In any case, why does it matter if they're rip-offs? They were good cartoons - and a rip-off doesn't have to be worse than the original. Ren and Stimpy aired reruns when I was a kid, but I still preferred Dexter's Laboratory.

Age plays a factor in all of this. As a teenager of the early 1990s, I know most Clinton 90s Nicktoons and "Cartoon Cartoons" (Cartoon Network version of Nicktoons) would not exist if Ren and Stimpy (for the most part) and Rugrats never became popular. Let's look at Dexter's Lab, shall we? Dexter was small and temperamental with an overbite. That's Ren Hoek! The dimwitted Dee Dee towered over Dexter with her ever enormous eyes and hands pointing straight ahead behind her back. That's Stimpy for you! Do I really need to go into details over how Cow and Chicken were a rip-off of Ren and Stimpy? I mean, did you see the cutaway segments (I am Baboon)? What didn't the creators borrow from Ren and Stimpy?

The Ripping Friends had a completely different premise from the classic Ren and Stimpy. So, I cannot do anything with them. None of those Cartoon Network "originals" were ever as big as Ren and Stimpy was in 1992. I know the earliest "Cartoon Cartoons" first aired in the late 90s. I understand why most Cartoon Network cartoonist went with the look they had for their cartoons at the time. Cartoon Network was better off as a network than ran toons from the 30s, 40s, 50s and 60s. Now it's the darn "Cartoon Cartoon" Network, everything is an original series on there.


On a side note, I know the last two Matrix films were from 2003. Going to see Keanu Reeves in a major motion picture was a very 90s thing. I was saying the Matrix films were the last time I recall going to see him act in anything. Can't Hardly Wait was more of a drama/teen film than a raunchy teen flick. It reminds me more of Dance Till Dawn (1988) than Porky's. Without American Pie, there could never be Road Trip or Sex Drive. It put raunchy teen flicks back on the map.

Dexter reminds me of Pinky and the Brain more. Not vulgar like Ren and Stimpy got. The Ripping Friends idea is different, but the same style is there, the same gross out humor in smaller amounts is there, and the behavior of the characters is all reminiscent of stuff from Ren and Stimpy because it was made by their creators, Spumco.


Nice theory, but it's just that - a theory. In any case, why does it matter if they're rip-offs? They were good cartoons - and a rip-off doesn't have to be worse than the original. Ren and Stimpy aired reruns when I was a kid, but I still preferred Dexter's Laboratory.

Yes, just a theory! Not a fact. Even if it were the case it doesn't make something better just because it came first. That's a matter of opinion.

Nice theory, but it's just that - a theory. In any case, why does it matter if they're rip-offs? They were good cartoons - and a rip-off doesn't have to be worse than the original. Ren and Stimpy aired reruns when I was a kid, but I still preferred Dexter's Laboratory.


I understand that you're offended by what I wrote, but it's the truth (not a theory)! I'm in the minority here, but I cannot stand to see rip-offs get praised as if they were original. Dexter's Laboratory NEVER gained consensual acceptance like Ren and Stimpy did in 1992. Most Millennials do not seem to realize that. Then again, some of them were born in 1992. YOU liked Dexter over Ren and Stimpy. The operative word being "you".

Dexter reminds me of Pinky and the Brain more. Not vulgar like Ren and Stimpy got. The Ripping Friends idea is different, but the same style is there, the same gross out humor in smaller amounts is there, and the behavior of the characters is all reminiscent of stuff from Ren and Stimpy because it was made by their creators, Spumco.
Yes, just a theory! Not a fact. Even if it were the case it doesn't make something better just because it came first. That's a matter of opinion.


Dexter reminds you of Pinky and the Brain…where do you think Pinky and the Brain came from?! This is why I don't take Millennials seriously as a generation. The same style of Ren and Stimpy is there for The Ripping Friends because both were created by John Kricfalusi. You cannot compare them because they're both products of Spumco. Ren and Stimpy was always the most successful out of the two of them.

It is a fact that Dexter's Lab was a rip-off of Ren and Stimpy, not a theory. So, according to you, the ratings of a cartoon being better than another one does not make it better?! That makes no sense! Has it ever occurred to you that Millennials are the ONLY ones familiar with Dexter's Lab? Adults, pre teens, teens and children knew of Ren and Stimpy in the mid 1990s.

Dexter reminds you of Pinky and the Brain…where do you think Pinky and the Brain came from?! This is why I don't take Millennials seriously as a generation. The same style of Ren and Stimpy is there for The Ripping Friends because both were created by John Kricfalusi. You cannot compare them because they're both products of Spumco. Ren and Stimpy was always the most successful out of the two of them.

It is a fact that Dexter's Lab was a rip-off of Ren and Stimpy, not a theory. So, according to you, the ratings of a cartoon being better than another one does not make it better?! That makes no sense! Has it ever occurred to you that Millennials are the ONLY ones familiar with Dexter's Lab? Adults, pre teens, teens and children knew of Ren and Stimpy in the mid 1990s.


Though I'm sure it were not Millennials who crafted these cartoons.

Though I'm sure it were not Millennials who crafted these cartoons.


I was saying other generations don't take Millennials seriously because most of them think cartoons like "Pinky and the Brain" weren't rip-offs of "Ren and Stimpy".

Yes, Baby Boomers and older members of my generation put those cartoons together.

The cartoons of the 80s and early 90s were far better.

I definitely agree.

Dexter reminds you of Pinky and the Brain…where do you think Pinky and the Brain came from?! This is why I don't take Millennials seriously as a generation. The same style of Ren and Stimpy is there for The Ripping Friends because both were created by John Kricfalusi. You cannot compare them because they're both products of Spumco. Ren and Stimpy was always the most successful out of the two of them.

It is a fact that Dexter's Lab was a rip-off of Ren and Stimpy, not a theory. So, according to you, the ratings of a cartoon being better than another one does not make it better?! That makes no sense! Has it ever occurred to you that Millennials are the ONLY ones familiar with Dexter's Lab? Adults, pre teens, teens and children knew of Ren and Stimpy in the mid 1990s.

Let's see...mad scientist type genius...dim witted companion...??? *Facepalm* The point is lost already. Not taking millenials seriously as a generation over something as petty as cartoon preferences? We're somehow inferior to you because of what we grew up with? (Which does include early 90's shows, as if that matters.  ::)) That says more about you than an entire generation. Just because you like something better doesn't make everything else sub par. To you, but not outside your little world. Get out of your early 90's glory days and move on. OMG.


Most of the early 2000s were unlike the mid '90s, but I think the very early part of it was. 2003 was definitely different from 1996, but I'd say 2000 and early 2001 were similar to the mid '90s. My parents said they weren't that different and they still played music from '96 in that period.

Early 2000's internet had late 90's style and wasn't at all like now, but the early 2000's was noticably different from the majority of the 90's. Of course music was still played from the 90's, but 80's music was out of favor on the radio by then.

Let's see...mad scientist type genius...dim witted companion...??? *Facepalm* The point is lost already. Not taking millenials seriously as a generation over something as petty as cartoon preferences? We're somehow inferior to you because of what we grew up with? (Which does include early 90's shows, as if that matters.  ::)) That says more about you than an entire generation. Just because you like something better doesn't make everything else sub par. To you, but not outside your little world. Get out of your early 90's glory days and move on. OMG.



Wow, you really don't see the correlation?! SHORT mad scientist (a disguise to throw people off) WITH AN ACCENT WHO NEVER SMILES… DIMWITTED COMPANION (WITH A NAME THAT ENDS WITH A VOWEL) WHO TOWERS OVER HIS COHORT… You got the point! I don't see how you couldn't.  :) Originality was dead then like it is now.

I have many reasons to think less of Millennials, not just one. I made that statement earlier because it's obvious that Millennials can be easily entertained by their choice of television shows, movies and music. Not many Millennials caught early 90s shows when they were new. Only those born from the early to mid 80s did. The other members of Generation Why grew up with reruns.

Most people my age have hopped on the "I Hate Millennials" bandwagon by now because of how they are and not their preferences. Where are the Millennial producers?! What a useless generation!

The 80s and early 90s were a hell of a lot more memorable, well put together, and like-able than the boring Clinton 90s all the way into today. I'm not the only one who harbors those thoughts and you know it!

Okay, I could leave the past in the past. What would I be moving on to? Millennials have ruined everything in the States.


What slang terms have Millennials came up with? Oh My God is Valley Girl lingo from long before you were born.

Wow, you really don't see the correlation?! SHORT mad scientist (a disguise to throw people off) WITH AN ACCENT WHO NEVER SMILES… DIMWITTED COMPANION (WITH A NAME THAT ENDS WITH A VOWEL) WHO TOWERS OVER HIS COHORT… You got the point! I don't see how you couldn't.  :) Originality was dead then like it is now.

I have many reasons to think less of Millennials, not just one. I made that statement earlier because it's obvious that Millennials can be easily entertained by their choice of television shows, movies and music. Not many Millennials caught early 90s shows when they were new. Only those born from the early to mid 80s did. The other members of Generation Why grew up with reruns.

Most people my age have hopped on the "I Hate Millennials" bandwagon by now because of how they are and not their preferences. Where are the Millennial producers?! What a useless generation!

The 80s and early 90s were a hell of a lot more memorable, well put together, and like-able than the boring Clinton 90s all the way into today. I'm not the only one who harbors those thoughts and you know it!

Okay, I could leave the past in the past. What would I be moving on to? Millennials have ruined everything in the States.


What slang terms have Millennials came up with? Oh My God is Valley Girl lingo from long before you were born.

I really don't care about cartoons now because I'm too old for them, and I definately don't care who you don't like. Useless is a rotten thing to say about so many people you don't even know in this world! You're the only person I've ever met who harbors hate like that, and it's just sad.

I really don't care about cartoons now because I'm too old for them, and I definately don't care who you don't like. Useless is a rotten thing to say about so many people you don't even know in this world! You're the only person I've ever met who harbors hate like that, and it's just sad.


I'm not the only one who has ever called Millennials a useless generation.

Have a look for yourself:

https://mobile.twitter.com/elizsimins/status/255313606311280640

http://m.topix.com/forum/city/washington-dc/T6GUHGRHVRM1TK825

http://www.grayflannelsuit.net/blog/memo-to-millennials-you-suck

http://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/419761.page

http://www.d-rant.com/millennials-are-scum/


You still never answered my question. What have Millennials contributed to society so far? Do you know?

This discussion is getting stupid.  ::)

Wow, you really don't see the correlation?! SHORT mad scientist (a disguise to throw people off) WITH AN ACCENT WHO NEVER SMILES… DIMWITTED COMPANION (WITH A NAME THAT ENDS WITH A VOWEL) WHO TOWERS OVER HIS COHORT… You got the point! I don't see how you couldn't.  :) Originality was dead then like it is now.

I have many reasons to think less of Millennials, not just one. I made that statement earlier because it's obvious that Millennials can be easily entertained by their choice of television shows, movies and music. Not many Millennials caught early 90s shows when they were new. Only those born from the early to mid 80s did. The other members of Generation Why grew up with reruns.

Most people my age have hopped on the "I Hate Millennials" bandwagon by now because of how they are and not their preferences. Where are the Millennial producers?! What a useless generation!

The 80s and early 90s were a hell of a lot more memorable, well put together, and like-able than the boring Clinton 90s all the way into today. I'm not the only one who harbors those thoughts and you know it!

Okay, I could leave the past in the past. What would I be moving on to? Millennials have ruined everything in the States.


What slang terms have Millennials came up with? Oh My God is Valley Girl lingo from long before you were born.
Katana is right, you are so mean! First of all, Gen X shows were not just the 80s and early 90s, it was the rest of the 90s as well. Second of all, millennials are not inferior to your generation or anyone else's. You think you speak for your generation, but in reality you don't I bet some think you're an extremist because all you do is continue to talk about the early 90s and that everything after that era is not only boring, but horrible as well. Just because YOU didn't like the Clinton 90s DOESN'T mean that everyone else in your generation didn't either. In fact, what you are saying are opinions, not facts. Saying Dexter's Lab is a rip-off of Ren & Stimpy is YOUR opinion, not anyone else. Also, the Cartoons Cartoons era was one of the best periods Cartoon Network ever had. Dexter's Lab, Cow & Chicken, and even Johnny Bravo are not rip-offs and they never were. In fact, they were all originals and were never acquired from other channels or other countries. Although Nickelodeon and Cartoon Network had their battles against each other, Both channels had fans of all ages. Another thing, Millennials can choose whatever era of music, movies and TV shows they want. It don't have to be their own. FYI, Dexter's Lab began in 1996 which is not late 90s. You also need to understand that the 80s and 90s were Gen X's time and not just the early 90s and Bill Clinton did so much for America before he left. He even left a surplus which was then used by Bush 2 and his VP. Not only that, but the Millennials didn't ruin everything either. We're not the ones who made smartphones. The Boomers did that. You need to stop generalizing Millennials and focus on the present. 

I know it is my age but when I read about the short mad scientist and the dimwitted companion I
immediately thought of Simon Bar Sinister and and his trusty sidekick Cad Lackey from the 60's
cartoon Underdog.

This discussion is getting stupid.  ::)
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Katana is right, you are so mean! First of all, Gen X shows were not just the 80s and early 90s, it was the rest of the 90s as well. Second of all, millennials are not inferior to your generation or anyone else's. You think you speak for your generation, but in reality you don't I bet some think you're an extremist because all you do is continue to talk about the early 90s and that everything after that era is not only boring, but horrible as well. Just because YOU didn't like the Clinton 90s DOESN'T mean that everyone else in your generation didn't either. In fact, what you are saying are opinions, not facts. Saying Dexter's Lab is a rip-off of Ren & Stimpy is YOUR opinion, not anyone else. Also, the Cartoons Cartoons era was one of the best periods Cartoon Network ever had. Dexter's Lab, Cow & Chicken, and even Johnny Bravo are not rip-offs and they never were. In fact, they were all originals and were never acquired from other channels or other countries. Although Nickelodeon and Cartoon Network had their battles against each other, Both channels had fans of all ages. Another thing, Millennials can choose whatever era of music, movies and TV shows they want. It don't have to be their own. FYI, Dexter's Lab began in 1996 which is not late 90s. You also need to understand that the 80s and 90s were Gen X's time and not just the early 90s and Bill Clinton did so much for America before he left. He even left a surplus which was then used by Bush 2 and his VP. Not only that, but the Millennials didn't ruin everything either. We're not the ones who made smartphones. The Boomers did that. You need to stop generalizing Millennials and focus on the present.


STAY ON TOPIC.

STAY ON TOPIC.
I am. I actually posted about the topic on this thread awhile back.

I am. I actually posted about the topic on this thread awhile back.


Do you know if the OP thought the 2000s started in the year 2000?

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;D

No one was forcing Inlandsvägen1986 to read it.

Also, the Cartoons Cartoons era was one of the best periods Cartoon Network ever had. Dexter's Lab, Cow & Chicken, and even Johnny Bravo are not rip-offs and they never were.


YOUR OPINION!  ;)

Do you know if the OP thought the 2000s started in the year 2000?
Yes, I knew that she already knew the 2000s already began in 2000; however, her question she was asking on was why some younger people saw the early 00s as a continuation of the 90s and I gave my answer.


YOUR OPINION!  ;)


I said it was one of the best, not the best.

Yes, I knew that she already knew the 2000s already began in 2000; however, her question she was asking on was why some younger people saw the early 00s as a continuation of the 90s and I gave my answer.

Unconventional99 seems younger than the late Millennials she speaks of. I feel old now.

I know what her question was, thank you.


I said it was one of the best, not the best.


Still your opinion. I never said in any of my posts that Johnny Bravo was a rip-off of any Nicktoon introduced in 1991. Still, Ren and Stimpy changed the face of cartoons forever. There would not be a Cow an Chicken,Dexter's Laboratory or Pinky and the Brain if Ren and Stimpy flopped. I think that is one of the reasons why so many late Millennials think of the early 2000s as a time similar to the 90s. Animators were not using CGI to make cartoons as much as they are today. Children of the early 2000s were treated to programs that had a lot in common with Ren and Stimpy such as that show Catdog.

Unconventional99 seems younger than the late Millennials she speaks of. I feel old now.

I know what her question was, thank you.

Still your opinion.


Actually, Unconventional was born in 1986 so she was 13 when 2000 came (She posted a few times stating she was born that year). So she is older than the late millennials (Born from 1995/96 to 1999/00)

The cartoons of the 80s and early 90s were far better.
Ain't none of them beat Di-Gata defenders and Avatar: TLAB.

Being the loser that I am, I asked my mother, born in 1965, whether she thinks the 90s are very different compared to today, and she said no, except technologically. I think if you suggested to her that the 90s and 70s were at all similar, she'd laugh in your face, and she has direct experience of both. When I look at videos and images of the 70s, it seems old, and totally alien, with bizarre fashion, very old cars and baby tech (they didn't even have VCR!), but the 90s don't feel that way to me. You could get away with wearing 90s clothing, and driving 90s cars, but the 70s? No way. That, to me, feels like a totally different time in the world, and not at all like today, in any way.

People in my age range tend to view the early 2000s as being very different to now because we were children then and now we're young adults, so to us, it seems like a whole new world. If you were already a teenager by the early 2000s then the differences probably aren't as striking. I wasn't culturally aware then because I was too young, but technologically speaking, there are clear differences between now and then. Technology to me seems far more pervasive now than it was even 10 years ago - a lot of the technology we use now already existed, but it wasn't commonplace as such. Social media has been around for well over a decade, but it wasn't until the rise of Facebook and Twitter in 2009 or so that the concept really took off and became so dominant in everyday life. I saw someone describe social media as 'indie' in 2008 and before, but now it's just something nearly everyone uses.

Likewise, the internet itself is more common than it was - it wasn't until 2004 or 2005 that the internet penetrated the majority of UK households, and that's around the time that digital TV overtook analog TV. The US was further head in that regard, so it really does depend on where in the world you live. When I was in school then, teachers asked if people had internet at home, but it's generally presumed now that everyone does.

I guess the early 2000s were a preview of what was to come, but to me, it seems a long time ago now.

They were? In what way? I liked them a lot anyway. Rugrats was still making new episodes until 2004, and so was Friends for that matter. I certainly saw plenty new episodes of both TV shows when I was growing up.


Lol, we didn't get digital TV in Canada until 2011.

Actually, Unconventional was born in 1986 so she was 13 when 2000 came (She posted a few times stating she was born that year). So she is older than the late millennials (Born from 1995/96 to 1999/00)


I had no idea. Thank you.

Ain't none of them beat Di-Gata defenders and Avatar: TLAB.


The who and the what now? I've never heard of those in my lifetime.

The cartoons of the 80s and early 90s were far better.
In my opinion, Disney cartoons far superior.

I had no idea. Thank you.
You're welcome.

The who and the what now? I've never heard of those in my lifetime.

Nope. Of course not, I wouldn't expect you to know. You would've been too old and out of the target audience by the time these masterpiece shows hit the mid-00s, anyway.

Likewise, the internet itself is more common than it was - it wasn't until 2004 or 2005 that the internet penetrated the majority of UK households, and that's around the time that digital TV overtook analog TV. The US was further head in that regard, so it really does depend on where in the world you live. When I was in school then, teachers asked if people had internet at home, but it's generally presumed now that everyone does.

The internet has been in many peoples households since the mid 90s.

In my opinion, Disney cartoons far superior.


What Disney cartoons are you talking about?

Nope. Of course not, I wouldn't expect you to know. You would've been too old and out of the target audience by the time these masterpiece shows hit the mid-00s, anyway.
He was saying that to me, for correcting him about someone's age.


Still your opinion. I never said in any of my posts that Johnny Bravo was a rip-off of any Nicktoon introduced in 1991. Still, Ren and Stimpy changed the face of cartoons forever. There would not be a Cow an Chicken,Dexter's Laboratory or Pinky and the Brain if Ren and Stimpy flopped. I think that is one of the reasons why so many late Millennials think of the early 2000s as a time similar to the 90s. Animators were not using CGI to make cartoons as much as they are today. Children of the early 2000s were treated to programs that had a lot in common with Ren and Stimpy such as that show Catdog.

All those cartoons except for Johnny Bravo are mostly 90s. Yep, even Catdog although it ran until 2005.


Here are the lists

CatDog

1990s Episodes: 45

2000s Episodes: 21

Cow & Chicken

Cow & Chicken is a completely 90s cartoon. It never aired in the 2000s at all.

Dexter's Lab is a mostly 90s cartoon

1990s Episodes: 54

2000s Episodes: 26

Pinky and the Brain is also completely 90s as well.

What Disney cartoons are you talking about?
Beauty and the Beast, Aladdin, The Lion King, Pocahontas, Toy Story, Hercules, Milan, A Bug's Life, Tarzan, Toy Story 2, Monsters Inc., Chicken Little...

...need I carry on?

All those cartoons are mostly 90s. Yep, even Catdog although it ran until 2005.


I know those cartoons came out in the 90s. Some late Millennials were catching them for the first time in the early 2000s.

I know those cartoons came out in the 90s. Some late Millennials were catching them for the first time in the early 2000s.
Yeah, they were, but not all of them were re-runs.

Yeah, they were, but not all of them were re-runs.


Bottom line, some late Millennials thought the early 2000s were like the 90s because the cartoons that were on (reruns and returning series) weren't any different from how they were in the 90s. Anything with a sprinkle of the formula to Ren and Stimpy was commonplace then.

Michael Martin was calling Cow and Chicken a Ren and Stimpy rip-off long before 1999 was over. Look below:
https://groups.google.com/forum/m/#!topic/alt.tv.nickelodeon/j32bKLhgusw

In this case, I understand some Millennials do not want to see the elephant in the room, but it's there.
Hey, people say Thundercats were a knockoff of He-Man and The Masters of the Universe.

Bottom line, some late Millennials thought the early 2000s were like the 90s because the cartoons that were on (reruns and returning series) weren't any different from how they were in the 90s. Anything with a sprinkle of the formula to Ren and Stimpy was commonplace then.

Michael Martin was calling Cow and Chicken a Ren and Stimpy rip-off long before 1999 was over. Look below:
https://groups.google.com/forum/m/#!topic/alt.tv.nickelodeon/j32bKLhgusw

In this case, I understand some Millennials do not want to see the elephant in the room, but it's there.
Hey, people say Thundercats were a knockoff of He-Man and The Masters of the Universe.
But why are they rip-offs? People take ideas and use them all the time.

But why are they rip-offs? People take ideas and use them all the time.


They're rip-offs because they are of lesser value. You don't see them turn up in books or documentaries on the 90s like "Ren and Stimpy" do. Were you alive in 1992/1993? Ren and Stimpy were everywhere! I'll show you where I'm coming from.

For example:

The phrase only Millennials know : "You are stupid. You are stupid and don't forget you are stupid."

The catchphrase uttered by Boomers, Joneses, X'ers and Y'ers: "Stimpy! You eediot!"


Hey, it's not unusual for people to shamelessly steal ideas that were smart, beneficial and timely.

We're not the ones who made smartphones. The Boomers did that.


I think, the (modern) smartphone (since iPhone 1) is probably one of the best inventions during the last years.

In the 90s, I prefered cartoons from the 60s, BTW: "The Flintstones" were big in Germany between 1993 and 1996.

A lot of stuff I watched was actually not from the 90s, but from the 80s: Duck Tales, Chip ’n Dale Rescue Rangers, Care Bears ...
I always found 90s cartoons (mid 90s and later) a bit too modern for my taste. That's probably the reason why 90s shows were still popular in the early 2000s.

In the 90s, I prefered cartoons from the 60s, BTW: "The Flintstones" were big in Germany between 1993 and 1996.

A lot of stuff I watched was actually not from the 90s, but from the 80s: Duck Tales, Chip ’n Dale Rescue Rangers, Care Bears ...
I always found 90s cartoons (mid 90s and later) a bit too modern for my taste. That's probably the reason why 90s shows were still popular in the early 2000s.

I remember Loony Toons being on TV plenty of times as a little kid and it's old but good. I didn't know Rescue Rangers and Duck Tales were 80's!  :o

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I agree Phil. ::)

The internet has been in many peoples households since the mid 90s.


I got the internet in the mid 1990's.

Beauty and the Beast, Aladdin, The Lion King, Pocahontas, Toy Story, Hercules, Milan, A Bug's Life, Tarzan, Toy Story 2, Monsters Inc., Chicken Little...

...need I carry on?


Yes, that is true.

I remember Loony Toons being on TV plenty of times as a little kid and it's old but good. I didn't know Rescue Rangers and Duck Tales were 80's!  :o


sort of like the late 80's.

sort of like the late 80's.


Exactly. They were late 80s cartoons.

They're rip-offs because they are of lesser value. You don't see them turn up in books or documentaries on the 90s like "Ren and Stimpy" do. Were you alive in 1992/1993? Ren and Stimpy were everywhere! I'll show you where I'm coming from.

For example:

The phrase only Millennials know : "You are stupid. You are stupid and don't forget you are stupid."

The catchphrase uttered by Boomers, Joneses, X'ers and Y'ers: "Stimpy! You eediot!"


Hey, it's not unusual for people to shamelessly steal ideas that were smart, beneficial and timely.
They are not lesser value. You're just saying that because you didn't like the Clinton 90s and they are in the books, you just don't see them because you're too focused on the early 90s. And yep, I was alive in both years. BTW, there are more phrases that we know that you think we don't know.

Here are some

"You go man/girl!"

"As if"

"That was the bomb"

"If you love it so much why don't you marry it?"

"All that and a bag of chips"

Another thing, Gen Y is the same as Millennials.



I think, the (modern) smartphone (since iPhone 1) is probably one of the best inventions during the last years.
It sure was.

They are not lesser value. You're just saying that because you didn't like the Clinton 90s and they are in the books, you just don't see them because you're too focused on the early 90s. And yep, I was alive in both years. BTW, there are more phrases that we know that you think we don't know.

Here are some

"You go man/girl!"

"As if"

"That was the bomb"

"If you love it so much why don't you marry it?"

"All that and a bag of chips"

Another thing, Gen Y is the same as Millennials.

It sure was.


You're in denial! I'm not saying that out of my hate for the Clinton 90s, it's true.

Where are "Cartoon Cartoons" in VH1's "I Love the 90s" series or a 'Life Magazine Remembers the 90s' type book?!  You clearly don't know what pop culture is, like most Millennials. God, America is doomed! Everything you like from childhood ISN'T pop culture!!!!

I KNOW GENERATION WHY (DID THEY HAVE TO BE BORN) IS THE SAME AS MILLENNIALS, THANK YOU!!!

I'm older than you! You are not the teacher and I, the student.

I've been on this Earth much longer than you have, you are in no position to preach to me.


Let's get back on topic, okay?

You're in denial! I'm not saying that out of my hate for the Clinton 90s, it's true.

Where are "Cartoon Cartoons" in VH1's "I Love the 90s" series or a 'Life Magazine Remembers the 90s' type book?!  You clearly don't know what pop culture is, like most Millennials. God, America is doomed! Everything you like from childhood ISN'T pop culture!!!!

I KNOW GENERATION WHY (DID THEY HAVE TO BE BORN) IS THE SAME AS MILLENNIALS, THANK YOU!!!

I'm older than you! You are not the teacher and I, the student.

I've been on this Earth much longer than you have, you are in no position to preach to me.


Let's get back on topic, okay?


No, you're in denial. I looked at the thread and they only mentioned 4 cartoons cartoons. Some people said only one of them was a rip-off, but not the others. The cartoons cartoons don't have to be in major magazines or 90s countdowns. They can be in kids magazines, kids channel countdowns and even on clothes. The reason why Ren & Stimpy was on VH1 or major magazines was because it was a controversy show when it premiered. First of all, that show had lots of inappropriate things for a kid's show. Parents were told to keep their kids away from show even though they didn't listen. One of the episodes from Ren & Stimpy was banned because of excessive violence, reference to tobacco, and several scat jokes. That doesn't seem like a kid's show does it?

I know what pop culture is and no, America is not doomed. For the 3rd time, stop generalizing.

Just because you are older than me doesn't mean you have authority over me. Age doesn't mean wisdom, maturity does and by looking at it, you don't even seem mature. You're an immature person who thinks he has the right to judge a generation as a whole; calling us dumb; saying we ruined everything; and thinking that we wont be able to fix America. Don't ever judge a book by its cover because there are some people heading the right way and one day in the future, America will be completely different and that there will be peace.

Exactly. They were late 80s cartoons.


Who cares? 80s is 80s.

Who cares? 80s is 80s.


Historians.  8)

No, you're in denial. I looked at the thread and they only mentioned 4 cartoons cartoons. Some people said only one of them was a rip-off, but not the others. The cartoons cartoons don't have to be in major magazines or 90s countdowns. They can be in kids magazines, kids channel countdowns and even on clothes. The reason why Ren & Stimpy was on VH1 or major magazines was because it was a controversy show when it premiered. First of all, that show had lots of inappropriate things for a kid's show. Parents were told to keep their kids away from show even though they didn't listen. One of the episodes from Ren & Stimpy was banned because of excessive violence, reference to tobacco, and several scat jokes. That doesn't seem like a kid's show does it?

I know what pop culture is and no, America is not doomed. For the 3rd time, stop generalizing.

Just because you are older than me doesn't mean you have authority over me. Age doesn't mean wisdom, maturity does and by looking at it, you don't even seem mature. You're an immature person who thinks he has the right to judge a generation as a whole; calling us dumb; saying we ruined everything; and thinking that we wont be able to fix America. Don't ever judge a book by its cover because there are some people heading the right way and one day in the future, America will be completely different and that there will be peace.


We (you and I) are oil and water, we just don't mix.  :)  I should have never expected a Millennial to hold the same views as me.

A good number of those "original" Cartoon Network characters were ripoffs to anyone with a good eye on them, but like most cartoons, they were created to make money from TV ratings. Hey, He-Man was a ripoff of Conan the Barbarian, I've accepted this. What person with a good head on them wouldn't want to take an idea that worked in the past if it possibly meant making big bucks?

If the "Cartoon Cartoons" aren't in major magazines or documentaries (not countdowns) on decades, then what makes them pop culture?! Please explain this to me. Most cartoons, pop culture lexicons or not, appear on kids magazines and clothing. I know why "Ren and Stimpy" gained popularity in the past, I never needed you to explain it to me. The 90s were a decade of CONTROVERSIAL (not controversy) cartoons. Most cartoons aren't really for children, you know that right?

You still clearly don't know what pop culture is and it shows. You don't have to comment on my side remarks. To me, the future is bleak for America.

You have no authority over me either. Please stop preaching to me. I would appreciate it. I could say you seem like a butthurt Millennial, but I know to keep my opinions on people to myself (most of the time, but everyone is guilty of this).

Have you ever heard of the song Cruel To Be Kind by Nick Lowe? Some measure of cruelty is always necessary to maintain order. Most generations look down on the ones that came after them. It comes naturally.

We (you and I) are oil and water, we just don't mix.  :)  I should have never expected a Millennial to hold the same views as me.

A good number of those "original" Cartoon Network characters were ripoffs to anyone with a good eye on them, but like most cartoons, they were created to make money from TV ratings. Hey, He-Man was a ripoff of Conan the Barbarian, I've accepted this. What person with a good head on them wouldn't want to take an idea that worked in the past if it meant making possibly big bucks.

If the "Cartoon Cartoons" aren't in major magazines or documentaries (not countdowns) on decades, then what makes them pop culture?! Please explain this to me. Most cartoons, pop culture lexicons or not, appear on kids magazines and clothing. I know why "Ren and Stimpy" gained popularity in the past, I never needed you to explain it to me. The 90s were a decade of CONTROVERSIAL (not controversy) cartoons. Most cartoons aren't really for children, you know that right?

You still clearly don't know what pop culture is and it shows. You don't have to comment on my side remarks. To me, the future is bleak for America.

You have no authority over me either! I could say you seem like a butthurt Millennial, but I know to keep my opinions on people to myself!

Have you ever heard of the song Cruel To Be Kind by Nick Lowe? Some measure of cruelty is always necessary to maintain order. Most generations look down on the ones that came after them.


I don't. We have different views.

See? I told you. People take ideas all the time. In fact, some of your shows are rip-offs from older shows, but people still liked them. Just like some of the rip-offs you keep claiming were also loved by fans. So matter what if it was a rip-off or not, people will still enjoy the shows regardless.

Pop culture can be anything, it doesn't have to be popular. The cartoon cartoons are part of pop culture even if they are not featured in magazines. And I know that cartoons are on clothing. They always have been. Yeah, adult cartoons arent for kids, but children cartoons are. Also, there only a few controversial cartoons such as South Park, Beavis & Buthead, Bebe's kids, Ren & Stimpy, Rocko's Modern Life, and Pokemon (Yep, that show had controversial episodes such as the Polygon one, guns, and James having breasts)

I do know what pop culture is and no, it's not bleak. You just think that, but with positivity, encouragement, and teamwork, America can become a peaceful nation.

I was never butthurt and no, I havent heard that song.

I don't. We have different views.

See? I told you. People take ideas all the time. In fact, some of your shows are rip-offs from older shows, but people still liked them. Just like some of the rip-offs you keep claiming were also loved by fans. So matter what if it was a rip-off or not, people will still enjoy the shows regardless.

Pop culture can be anything, it doesn't have to be popular. The cartoon cartoons are part of pop culture even if they are not featured in magazines. And I know that cartoons are on clothing. They always have been. Yeah, adult cartoons arent for kids, but children cartoons are. Also, there only a few controversial cartoons such as South Park, Beavis & Buthead, Bebe's kids, Ren & Stimpy, Rocko's Modern Life, and Pokemon (Yep, that show had controversial episodes such as the Polygon one, guns, and James having breasts)

I do know what pop culture is and no, it's not bleak. You just think that, but with positivity, encouragement, and teamwork, America can become a peaceful nation.

I was never butthurt and no, I havent heard that song.


Your views are typical of a Millennial (to an Xer, anyway) but then again, you are a Millennial. All we can be is what we experience.

You did not have to waste your time giving me a speech on ripoffs, I knew all of that. Most shows with
fan bases have gained popularity at some point.

Popular culture is called popular culture for a reason. It cannot just be anything. What a lazy answer! The "Cartoon Cartoons" are pop culture to you because you choose to see them that way, but mainstream America is not familiar with them at all. The same cannot be said for certain 'Nicktoons'. Many Boomers and Xers found 'Ren and Stimpy' to be hilarious. Most cartoons marketed to children are by adults for adults. The references made in them go over the heads of children all of the time. Animators know adults will be watching "kids shows" with their youthful offspring, so they inject pop culture references that adults know into the toons.

To you, you know pop culture (I'm cringing as I type this); I'm not ever going to agree with you on that point. That shouldn't matter to you because like everyone else in this world, I'm not God. We'll leave it at that. I like your optimism for the future, though.

In the eye of the beholder, you do come off as butthurt. I'm the same way when 70s nostalgists say innocence died at the start of the 80s. A large percentage of people wants to defend the time when they were children because childhood is the best part of life.

Who cares? 80s is 80s.


Exactly.

We (you and I) are oil and water, we just don't mix.  :)  I should have never expected a Millennial to hold the same views as me.

A good number of those "original" Cartoon Network characters were ripoffs to anyone with a good eye on them, but like most cartoons, they were created to make money from TV ratings. Hey, He-Man was a ripoff of Conan the Barbarian, I've accepted this. What person with a good head on them wouldn't want to take an idea that worked in the past if it possibly meant making big bucks?

If the "Cartoon Cartoons" aren't in major magazines or documentaries (not countdowns) on decades, then what makes them pop culture?! Please explain this to me. Most cartoons, pop culture lexicons or not, appear on kids magazines and clothing. I know why "Ren and Stimpy" gained popularity in the past, I never needed you to explain it to me. The 90s were a decade of CONTROVERSIAL (not controversy) cartoons. Most cartoons aren't really for children, you know that right?

You still clearly don't know what pop culture is and it shows. You don't have to comment on my side remarks. To me, the future is bleak for America.

You have no authority over me either. Please stop preaching to me. I would appreciate it. I could say you seem like a butthurt Millennial, but I know to keep my opinions on people to myself (most of the time, but everyone is guilty of this).

Have you ever heard of the song Cruel To Be Kind by Nick Lowe? Some measure of cruelty is always necessary to maintain order. Most generations look down on the ones that came after them. It comes naturally.

And not all Generation X people will have the same opinion as you. This is what's upsetting. You talk as if your opinion was gospel. The only reason you accept He-Man as a rip off of Conan is because it was from your time. You just said above what a good idea it is to take an idea if it makes money. But I know that just means as long as it's not a show that came after the years you dictate were good.  ::)

Crash can comment on the remarks he chooses to, and you've made plenty of rude ones. "Butthurt millenial" and "useless generation" comments are uncalled for. It doesn't help your argument.

Popular culture is called popular culture for a reason. It cannot just be anything. What a lazy answer! The "Cartoon Cartoons" are pop culture to you because you choose to see them that way, but mainstream America is not familiar with them at all. The same cannot be said for certain 'Nicktoons'. Many Boomers and Xers found 'Ren and Stimpy' to be hilarious. Most cartoons marketed to children are by adults for adults. The references made in them go over the heads of children all of the time. Animators know adults will be watching "kids shows" with their youthful offspring, so they inject pop culture references that adults know into the toons.
And you're choosing to see what you want to see. Ren and Stimpy was quite vulgar, and at the time I got such a kick out of it and never thought more of it. Looking back it was something more appropriate for teens.

pop cul·ture
noun
modern popular culture transmitted via mass media and aimed particularly at younger people. That's what defines it. Some of it was more prominent or more obscure or had small cult followings. It was all part of the time it came from.

I KNOW GENERATION WHY (DID THEY HAVE TO BE BORN) IS THE SAME AS MILLENNIALS, THANK YOU!!!

I'm older than you! You are not the teacher and I, the student.

I've been on this Earth much longer than you have, you are in no position to preach to me.


Let's get back on topic, okay?
He's not preaching to you, he is trying to make a point. Don't even bring the age factor in, stop resorting to playground tactics.  ::) By the way, where is it your place to tell people to get back on topic?

By the way, no not everyone from the older generations look down on people younger than them. Is it just millenials or do you hate Generation Z too? Either way, it's a stupid way to think. Why not find good in someone once in a while?


I know what pop culture is and no, America is not doomed. For the 3rd time, stop generalizing.

Just because you are older than me doesn't mean you have authority over me. Age doesn't mean wisdom, maturity does and by looking at it, you don't even seem mature. You're an immature person who thinks he has the right to judge a generation as a whole; calling us dumb; saying we ruined everything; and thinking that we wont be able to fix America. Don't ever judge a book by its cover because there are some people heading the right way and one day in the future, America will be completely different and that there will be peace.

Some day this country will be run by millenials.  8)

And not all Generation X people will have the same opinion as you. This is what's upsetting. You talk as if your opinion was gospel. The only reason you accept He-Man as a rip off of Conan is because it was from your time. You just said above what a good idea it is to take an idea if it makes money. But I know that just means as long as it's not a show that came after the years you dictate were good.  ::)

Crash can comment on the remarks he chooses to, and you've made plenty of rude ones. "Butthurt millenial" and "useless generation" comments are uncalled for. It doesn't help your argument.
And you're choosing to see what you want to see. Ren and Stimpy was quite vulgar, and at the time I got such a kick out of it and never thought more of it. Looking back it was something more appropriate for teens.

I know not all members of my generation will agree with me on somethings, Ms Holier Than Thou. Most people talk as if their opinion is gospel. I'm only human. When did I ever say that I don't accept "Pinky and the Brain", "Cow and Chicken", and "Dexter's Lab" as ripoffs of "Ren and Stimpy"?  :)  A person would have to shut their brain down completely to see "Pinky and the Brain", "Cow and Chicken", "Dexter's Lab", "Catdog" and "The Angry Beavers" as original.

True, Crash has his first amendment rights like you and I, Mom. I'm not the only one in the world who has given Millennials the "useless generation" title out of anger. You have a lot of living to do.

Trust me, I'm not choosing to see what I want to see…

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"Ren and Stimpy" certainly has its place in pop culture history.  8) The imitations from the mid and late 90s are prove of its potency.


pop cul·ture
noun
modern popular culture transmitted via mass media and aimed particularly at younger people. That's what defines it. Some of it was more prominent or more obscure or had small cult followings. It was all part of the time it came from.

He's not preaching to you, he is trying to make a point. Don't even bring the age factor in, that's just resorting to playground tactics.  ::)


Where did you find this definition from, Ms. Can't Be Wrong?

This is the definition I go by:

Pop culture (popular culture) defines the time and place in which a certain piece of cultural memorabilia or idea derives.

To each it's own.

In trying to make a point, Crash was imposing his beliefs on me like a dictatorial emperor. Of course you'll take his side.  ::)

You don't have to worry about me resorting to what you call "playground tactics" from now on if you…

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On a side note, this discussion is getting out of hand. I thought I was being informative when I mentioned that cartoons found on Cartoon Network then were knock-offs of the first Nickelodeon ones. It wasn't my intention to offend Millennials everywhere by making that statement. I thought this would shed some light on where cartoons of the mid 90s to the early 00s came from and introduce younger readers of this forum to "Ren and Stimpy", if they did not know of them already. It ties in with the thread because some new cartoons introduced in the early 00s such as "Invader Zim" had the "Ren and Stimpy" formula (thus making the show more like a 90s cartoon). That is all.

Your views are typical of a Millennial (to an Xer, anyway) but then again, you are a Millennial. All we can be is what we experience.

You did not have to waste your time giving me a speech on ripoffs, I knew all of that. Most shows with
fan bases have gained popularity at some point.

Popular culture is called popular culture for a reason. It cannot just be anything. What a lazy answer! The "Cartoon Cartoons" are pop culture to you because you choose to see them that way, but mainstream America is not familiar with them at all. The same cannot be said for certain 'Nicktoons'. Many Boomers and Xers found 'Ren and Stimpy' to be hilarious. Most cartoons marketed to children are by adults for adults. The references made in them go over the heads of children all of the time. Animators know adults will be watching "kids shows" with their youthful offspring, so they inject pop culture references that adults know into the toons.

To you, you know pop culture (I'm cringing as I type this); I'm not ever going to agree with you on that point. That shouldn't matter to you because like everyone else in this world, I'm not God. We'll leave it at that. I like your optimism for the future, though.

In the eye of the beholder, you do come off as butthurt. I'm the same way when 70s nostalgists say innocence died at the start of the 80s. A large percentage of people wants to defend the time when they were children because childhood is the best part of life.
Not all X'ers have typical views of Millennials. There you go with your opinions becoming facts again. Once again, there is a difference between facts and opinions.

I know that and actually, all good shows have fan bases and some even get their fans earlier within 5 to 10 episodes.

Yeah, I'm hoping one day we can all come together and live in peace and harmony.

I see what you're saying, yes, lots of people know childhood is the best as you are carefree and don't have to worry about problems.

Not all X'ers have typical views of Millennials.

Where are you getting this from? I never said they did.  :o

There you go with your opinions becoming facts again. Once again, there is a difference between facts and opinions.

Saying "Dexter's Lab", "Cow and Chicken" and shows like "Catdog" were ripoffs of "Ren and Stimpy" isn't an opinion. You don't want to hear it, but that does not make it any less of a fact. Since you are so much smarter than I am, where would they all come from if "Ren and Stimpy" never existed?

I didn't need you to state the obvious. Save the lessons for school, teacher.

I know that and actually, all good shows have fan bases and some even get their fans earlier within 5 to 10 episodes.

True.

Yeah, I'm hoping one day we can all come together and live in peace and harmony.

Me too.

Where are you getting this from? I never said they did.  :o

Saying "Dexter's Lab", "Cow and Chicken" and shows like "Catdog" were ripoffs of "Ren and Stimpy" isn't an opinion. You don't want to hear it, but that does not make it any less of a fact. Since you are so much smarter than I am, where would they all come from if "Ren and Stimpy" never existed?

I didn't need you to state the obvious. Save the lessons for school, teacher.



1. When you said this "Your views are typical of a Millennial (to an Xer, anyway)"

2. It is one. Not everyone from your generation has said that and if Ren & Stimpy never existed, then there would have been different cartoons from different companies.

1. When you said this "Your views are typical of a Millennial (to an Xer, anyway)"

2. It is one. Not everyone from your generation has said that and if Ren & Stimpy never existed, then there would have been different cartoons from different companies.


1. Pardon me, that came out all wrong. I'm sorry.

2. You just contradicted yourself by posting that second sentence. There wouldn't be a single creator-controlled show on that was influenced by Ren and Stimpy if the cartoon never aired in August of 1991. Okay, "Johnny Bravo" and "Rocko's Modern Life" were original, but they still wouldn't be on if "Ren and Stimpy" wasn't a hit. You know "Ren and Stimpy" was the quintessential cartoon of the 1990s.

I never said other members of my generation knew these lesser known cartoons of the mid 90s into the 2000s as ripoffs of Ren and Stimpy.

1. Pardon me, that came out all wrong. I'm sorry.

2. You just contradicted yourself by posting that second sentence. There wouldn't be a single creator-controlled show on that was influenced by Ren and Stimpy if the cartoon never aired in August of 1991. Hear ye! Hear ye! Shows like "Rocko's Modern Life" were original, but they still wouldn't be on if "Ren and Stimpy" wasn't a hit. "Ren and Stimpy" was the quintessential cartoon of the 1990s.

I never said other members of my generation saw these lesser known cartoons of the mid 90s into the 2000s as ripoffs of Ren and Stimpy.
Actually, you did. You and that other guy in the thread you linked said that Cow & Chicken was a rip-off of Ren & Stimpy.

Actually, you did. You and that other guy in the thread you linked said that Cow & Chicken was a rip-off of Ren & Stimpy.


I'm not sure if Martin on Usenet was an Xer or not, I just used that link as evidence of others knowing "Cow and Chicken" to be rip-offs of "Ren and Stimpy".

I don't think too many members of my generation care about lesser known cartoons of both Clinton terms being knock-offs of definitive 90s cartoons.

I'm not sure if Martin on Usenet was an Xer or not, I just used that link as evidence of others knowing "Cow and Chicken" to be rip-offs of "Ren and Stimpy".

I don't think too many members of my generation care about lesser known cartoons of both Clinton terms being knock-offs of definitive 90s cartoons.
I think so too as you guys already have your own cartoons which are the 70s and 80s.

I think so too as you guys already have your own cartoons which are the 70s and 80s.


True, I would bank on other late Xers possessing that knowledge. We were still tuning into Nickelodeon in the early 90s to watch "Welcome Freshmen" and "Salute Your Shorts" all of the time. I'm sure some of us even wore "Ren and Stimpy" shirts at the start of 1992.

I remember catching snippets of the aforementioned Cartoon Network shows while flipping through the channels to see if something was on. That's how I knew of them.

Beauty and the Beast, Aladdin,



HW Bush era Disney Princess films. How can you leave out The Little Mermaid from that list? "Toy Story" was better when its name was "The Christmas Toy", just an opinion though.

HW Bush era Disney Princess films. How can you leave out The Little Mermaid from that list? "Toy Story" was better when its name was "The Christmas Toy", just an opinion though.
"The Little Mermaid" was released in 1989 and the films I listed were animated Disney films from the year 1990.

"The Little Mermaid" was released in 1989 and the films I listed were animated Disney films from the year 1990.


I'm sorry, I did not know you meant Disney flicks from the 90s decade only.

I don't see things that way. I would have said "The Little Mermaid", "Beauty and the Beast" and "Aladdin" were all great Bush 1 Disney flicks. Being an early 90s fan, I don't see things as 80s or 90s like the rest of the world does. As you know, everyone is different.

"The Little Mermaid" was still in theaters in 1990. Late '89 was close enough to 1990.
Released in time for Christmas on November 17th 1989.

"The Little Mermaid" was still in theaters in 1990. Late '89 was close enough to 1990.
Definitely 1989, for in January 1990, The Little Mermaid earned three Academy Award nominations (for films released in 1989), making it the first Disney animated film to earn an Academy Award nomination since The Rescuers in 1977. The film won two of the awards, for Best Song ("Under the Sea") and Best Score.

Released in time for Christmas on November 17th 1989.


Yeah, I remember the mermaid craze of the actual early 90s (1990-1993) that followed The Little Mermaid.

Definitely 1989, for in January 1990, The Little Mermaid earned three Academy Award nominations (for films released in 1989), making it the first Disney animated film to earn an Academy Award nomination since The Rescuers in 1977. The film won two of the awards, for Best Song ("Under the Sea") and Best Score.


Yes, but it did not leave theaters as soon as January 1st of 1990 hit. It was there until March 23rd of 1990. I know a decade is 10 years. A good number of people in my age group still tack 1989 onto the actual early 90s years. '89 was the start of the Bush 1 term while being the last full late 80s year. The years 1990,'91 and '92 had the same aesthetic to them as 1989. Mid 80s shows were getting cancelled, Batman cereal was in supermarkets and workout pants were all of the rage in those years.

I never understood why people speak about decades as if each year were alike. The Little Mermaid does not come to my mind whenever I'm discussing 80s movies with friends. Polyester suits were not worn for every year of the 70s. It sounds so ridiculous people when people do that. There should be 100% accuracy to everything. That's just my opinion that I'm putting out there.

Yes, but it did not leave theaters as soon as January 1st of 1990 hit. It was there until March 23rd of 1990. I know a decade is 10 years. A good number of people in my age group tack 1989 onto the actual early 90s years. '89 was the start of the Bush 1 term while being the last full late 80s year. The years 1990,'91 and '92 had the same aesthetic to them as 1989. Mid 80s shows were getting cancelled, titular superhero movies were released in the summer and workout pants were all of the rage in those years.




Can you please explain the connection of the Bush Administration with "The Little Mermaid"?

Can you please explain the connection of the Bush Administration with "The Little Mermaid"?


There isn't a connection.

As you know, "The Little Mermaid" was one of the three Disney Rennaissance princesses that wasn't based on a historic character or legend. All three of those aforementioned princesses were in theaters when Bush was president. 

True, I would bank on other late Xers possessing that knowledge. We were still tuning into Nickelodeon in the early 90s to watch "Welcome Freshmen" and "Salute Your Shorts" all of the time. I'm sure some of us even wore "Ren and Stimpy" shirts at the start of 1992.

I remember catching snippets of the aforementioned Cartoon Network shows while flipping through the channels to see if something was on. That's how I knew of them.
did you also watch Clarissa, Hey Dude, Fifteen, and Afraid of the Dark?

did you ever watch space ghost & the moxy show when it was CN?

did you also watch Clarissa, Hey Dude, Fifteen, and Afraid of the Dark?

did you ever watch space ghost & the moxy show when it was CN?


I loved "Hey Dude", "Fifteen" and "Wild and Crazy Kids". "Clarissa Explains It All" seemed more like a show geared towards children, so I steered clear of that one. I've seen a few episodes of "Are You Afraid of the Dark", but I always wanted to see "Tales from the Crypt" on HBO.

I've never heard of "The Moxy Show". I didn't watch "Space Ghost Coast to Coast", but I did catch reruns of the 60s show.

I loved "Hey Dude", "Fifteen" and "Wild and Crazy Kids". "Clarissa Explains It All" seemed more like a show geared towards children, so I steered clear of that one. I've seen a few episodes of "Are You Afraid of the Dark", but I always wanted to see "Tales from the Crypt" on HBO.

I've never heard of "The Moxy Show". I didn't watch "Space Ghost Coast to Coast", but I did catch reruns of the 60s show.
Was Tales from the Crypt more for adults?

The Moxy Show was Cartoon Network's very first show which premiered 3 years before the Cartoons Cartoons such as Dexter's Lab, Johnny Bravo, PPG, and Cow & Chicken premiered. It began in 1993 and ended in 2000.

Was Tales from the Crypt more for adults?



Yes, and it was referenced in all of the sitcoms I watched as a preteen (i.e. ALF).

did you ever watch space ghost & the moxy show when it was CN?

I did back when it was Space Ghost: Coast to Coast

Most people my age have hopped on the "I Hate Millennials" bandwagon by now because of how they are and not their preferences. Where are the Millennial producers?! What a useless generation!

The 80s and early 90s were a hell of a lot more memorable, well put together, and like-able than the boring Clinton 90s all the way into today. I'm not the only one who harbors those thoughts and you know it!


But who were the main consumers of pop culture in the "Clinton" portion of the 1990's? Surely it was not Millennials, the bulk of whom were either still in elementary school, or in some cases just being born, from 1993-1999.

No, for almost the entire mid-to-late 90's youth culture was firmly in the grip of Generation X. Not only is Kurt Cobain even referred to as the "voice" of Gen X, but his death is often treated by the music press as it's Kennedy Assassination. Grunge (and early Post-Grunge) is referred to as the "soundtrack" of Gen X, popular Clinton era shows like Friends and Seinfeld are usually thought of as "Gen X shows", and Clinton era movies like "Clerks" are seen as being sterotypical "Gen X films". All of the music that dominated the Clinton era, "Bubble-Grunge", Gangsta Rap, Britpop, Pop-Punk, Third Wave Ska, etc., were products of the taste of the latter part of Generation X.

In fact, it was Xers that gave us by far the worst genre in the history of popular music. Nu Metal. A scourge that was created entirely by Xers for an audience made up of late Xers/early Yers born roughly from 1977-1989. The musical nadir of the 90's  is Woodstock 99, an event that was attended almost exclusively by late Xers.

Having said all of that, I do obviously agree that there was plently about the '90s that did indeed suck, and that the decade has become very overrated during this recent nostalgia deluge. I just don't think that Millennials are even remotely the only ones doing the overrating, and we are most certainly not responsible for that aformentioned suckage.

But who were the main consumers of pop culture in the "Clinton" portion of the 1990's? Surely it was not Millennials, the bulk of whom were either still in elementary school, or in some cases just being born, from 1993-1999.

No, for almost the entire mid-to-late 90's youth culture was firmly in the grip of Generation X. Not only is Kurt Cobain even referred to as the "voice" of Gen X, but his death is often treated by the music press as it's Kennedy Assassination. Grunge (and early Post-Grunge) is referred to as the "soundtrack" of Gen X, popular Clinton era shows like Friends and Seinfeld are usually thought of as "Gen X shows", and Clinton era movies like "Clerks" are seen as being sterotypical "Gen X films". All of the music that dominated the Clinton era, "Bubble-Grunge", Gangsta Rap, Britpop, Pop-Punk, Third Wave Ska, etc., were products of the taste of the latter part of Generation X.

In fact, it was Xers that gave us by far the worst genre in the history of popular music. Nu Metal. A scourge that was created entirely by Xers for an audience made up of late Xers/early Yers born roughly from 1977-1989. The musical nadir of the 90's  is Woodstock 99, an event that was attended almost exclusively by late Xers.

Having said all of that, I do obviously agree that there was plently about the '90s that did indeed suck, and that the decade has become very overrated during this recent nostalgia deluge. I just don't think that Millennials are even remotely the only ones doing the overrating, and we are most certainly not responsible for that aformentioned suckage.


I love the '90s. I was born in 1995. I think the '90s are just as great as everyone says they are. I have listened to every single song that was popular from 1994 through 1999 and I think they were fantastic. They were certainly better than the '00s, which were good, but almost never reached greatness like the '90s did, save for the very beginning.

Of course, since you were "Of The 2000s", you'll probably disagree with me, but the quality of music that the '90s reached may never happen again. The '90s had something for everyone, and I'm one of those people that like many genres, so I like almost everything that the '90s had to offer. They were classier than the '80s, and borrowed a lot from the '70s (which is always a good thing).

Generally, the '90s were very inspired and the artists had a lot of creativity and imagination. I know mainstream music can be good, and the 20th century was proof of that. I really wonder what is going on in record label executives' heads to think that the music that is out now is good. I listen to artists with actual talent. And if I can't find it in current music, than I'm going to look elsewhere.

Of course, since you were "Of The 2000s", you'll probably disagree with me, but the quality of music that the '90s reached may never happen again. The '90s had something for everyone, and I'm one of those people that like many genres, so I like almost everything that the '90s had to offer.


My baby boomer parents say the same thing about '70s music.  They consider it the golden age of music and nothing will ever come close to matching it, ever.  A lot of people feel that way considering how popular '70s-era rock still is even today.  They liked the '80s also but lost their taste for pop culture in the 90s. 

I love the '90s. I was born in 1995. I think the '90s are just as great as everyone says they are. I have listened to every single song that was popular from 1994 through 1999 and I think they were fantastic. They were certainly better than the '00s, which were good, but almost never reached greatness like the '90s did, save for the very beginning.

Of course, since you were "Of The 2000s", you'll probably disagree with me, but the quality of music that the '90s reached may never happen again. The '90s had something for everyone, and I'm one of those people that like many genres, so I like almost everything that the '90s had to offer. They were classier than the '80s, and borrowed a lot from the '70s (which is always a good thing).

Generally, the '90s were very inspired and the artists had a lot of creativity and imagination. I know mainstream music can be good, and the 20th century was proof of that. I really wonder what is going on in record label executives' heads to think that the music that is out now is good. I listen to artists with actual talent. And if I can't find it in current music, than I'm going to look elsewhere.


Well, I suppose you could debate whether I'm entirely "Of The 2000's". I was born in 1987 and so really started to come into my own pop culturally during my junior high years in the late '90s, but I will grant you that the '00s are certainly "my decade".

Sorry if that post came off as if i'm some hardcore '90s hater or something. I really do think that the '90s had some great music (probably, I would agree, better than the '00s overall), I just think some of the crappier parts of the decade (like Nu Metal for example) have gotten glossed over during the nostalgia rush of recent years. But, I have always been a big fan of '90s alternative, and even some Pop-Punk, which I loved as a kid. But, of course, all taste is subjective.

My baby boomer parents say the same thing about '70s music.  They consider it the golden age of music and nothing will ever come close to matching it, ever.  A lot of people feel that way considering how popular '70s-era rock still is even today.  They liked the '80s also but lost their taste for pop culture in the 90s.


I think music went downhill as soon the mid 90's approached.

My baby boomer parents say the same thing about '70s music.  They consider it the golden age of music and nothing will ever come close to matching it, ever.  A lot of people feel that way considering how popular '70s-era rock still is even today.  They liked the '80s also but lost their taste for pop culture in the 90s. 


My parents were born in the early 60s, anyone knows which generation that is? They were disco/new wave generation, according to the vinyl records left in the cellar. I think they lost touch of pop culture in the late 80s/early 90s ("it's all so loud").

My parents were born in the early 60s, anyone knows which generation that is? They were disco/new wave generation, according to the vinyl records left in the cellar. I think they lost touch of pop culture in the late 80s/early 90s ("it's all so loud").


My parents hate pop culture today.

Having said all of that, I do obviously agree that there was plently about the '90s that did indeed suck, and that the decade has become very overrated during this recent nostalgia deluge. I just don't think that Millennials are even remotely the only ones doing the overrating, and we are most certainly not responsible for that aformentioned suckage.


The 90s paved the way for the 2000s & 10s (so far). Playstation, The Pioneer GPS, Power Rangers, Pokèmon, Teenie Beanie Babies and a slew of other stuff are all still around today. I don't see how anyone can be nostalgic for them. Some people still use AOL, watch DVDs and listen to new tracks from the musical group Wu-Tang Clan.

There was more suckage than what you mentioned, it's too much to go over in this post.

I think music went downhill as soon the mid 90's approached.


I concur with your statement.

My parents hate pop culture today.
Strange, my parents are more into more pop culture than I am currently. They even watched "The Grammy's" while I sat downstairs on my computer last week. That was mainly my Mom though that wanted to watch "The Grammy's". My Dad keeps tracks of movies more than music. He keeps up with  current pop culture through listening to Howard Stern everyday. He has listened to Stern for years.

I think music went downhill as soon the mid 90's approached.
Yeah I think 1988/1989-1992 was its own little era.

There's something very weird/interesting I noticed about 2006. Some 90s kids think hip-hop "died" in this year, when Proof died. Guess when he died? April 11, 2006. Guess what happened a day before that? Cartoon Network re-branded from the CN City era to the YES! era (featuring Fred Fredburger and Cheese doing random stuff behind a red background), and according to the aforementioned 90s kids, that's when it started to go downhill.
Yeah Nas had that song "Hip-Hop Is Dead" in 2006. I am not a 90's kid but rap started to get horrible when ringtone rappers started to make hit songs from late 2005-early 2008.

This.  Although, I'd say 2002 was the last year to still have any LATE 90s influence.  The 1996-ish atmosphere completely vanished in 2003.

Looking back, Early-To Mid 2002 up until maybe September of that year still felt like a 90's childhood to me.  2003 aesthetically, was very different from 2002 and felt decades away from 2000/2001.  It was the year that music completely shifted to crunk/party rap culture and teen pop of any kind ceased to exist.  Rock also became more emo-influenced around that point.  Also, by 2003, Nickelodeon and Cartoon Network had phased out all their 90's shows.  Kids had completely moved on from Rugrats and Pokémon by that point and got hooked on SpongeBob and Yu-Gi-Oh! instead.

But, its just because I moved from my childhood hometown in late 2002.  2003 was a very changeful year for me and my family included.  Maybe it was different for other people on here, but for me, I consider 2003 to be the real dividing between the 90's and and when the 2000's really begin.
Yeah in 2002 it was the last year you could listen to 90's bands like "Stone Temple Pilots" or "Nine Inch Nails" and It wouldn't feel like another era. By Spring 2003 that wasn't the case.

Having said all of that, I do obviously agree that there was plently about the '90s that did indeed suck, and that the decade has become very overrated during this recent nostalgia deluge. I just don't think that Millennials are even remotely the only ones doing the overrating, and we are most certainly not responsible for that aformentioned suckage.


Yup. Actually I hear about Millennials way more in the past 5 years than I did even in the 00s, if anything I'd say our generation came into the limelight in this decade more than anything. In the 90s people born in the early 80s were still often lumped in with Gen X, so the Y generation at that time ranged from 15-16 year olds at the very oldest to people who weren't even born yet at the other end.

Strange, my parents are more into more pop culture than I am currently. They even watched "The Grammy's" while I sat downstairs on my computer last week. That was mainly my Mom though that wanted to watch "The Grammy's". My Dad keeps tracks of movies more than music. He keeps up with  current pop culture through listening to Howard Stern everyday. He has listened to Stern for years.


Do they know who most singers are today? Like,do they keep up Justin Bieber, Iggy Izalea and Ariana Grande?

Yeah I think 1988/1989-1992 was its own little era.


music took a hardcore approach.

music took a hardcore approach.


Yep, those were the days of Acid House, Dance Hits, Political Rap, Mainstream Alternative, Glam Metal, Quiet Storm, Slow Songs, Bluegrass, New Jack Swing, Adult Contemporary, "Blue-Eyed" Soul, Gangsta Music and Workout Jams. Music was still diverse and challenging.

My parents know about Pharell Williams though,
and my father danced Gangnam style  ???

Do they know who most singers are today? Like,do they keep up Justin Bieber, Iggy Izalea and Ariana Grande?
My parents knows who Beyoncé is  and who Katy Perry is for example and they know about Jay-Z too. Iggy Azalea, and Ariana Grande no I don't think either of my parents know them. Yes they probably know about Justin Bieber though.

My Mom was singing along to Sam Smith when the Grammy's were on TV I think.

My parents know about Pharell Williams though,
and my father danced Gangnam style  ???


My Father is not crazy about today's music, it's just crap!

I thought it went downhill when they integrated WCW and ECW into it. Kurt Angle had a bit of an obnoxious personality on the show. I want to say that was 1999. Also the whole Y2J thing with Jericho was annoying. He was better in the WCW.


Katana Queen, I think you might have just outgrown wrestling by that point. I was a big fan from the mid attitude era (1999)to the end of the ruthless aggression era(07-08). From 4-12. I loved the attitude era but I also loved the ruthless aggression era also as a kid as well. And I also have great respect for the 80s and early 90s rock n wrestling era too.  PG era was a very rude awakening for me at the time, beucase of the product I was used to. I've been checking out occasionally since 2012 and it has SLIGHTLY improved.

Started in late 2008.


I always considered the 08-09 school year to be a MAJOR transitional period for the 00s culture to the 10s culture. But late 06-mid 08 were the first signs of 10s influences. Late 2006 was actually the first sign of 2010s influence. Movies were beginning to look more brand new. Blu Rays coming on the scene. The 7th generation of gaming hitting full swing. New TV shows such as DEXTER, Heroes etc. New TV networks. New actors and celebs beginning to appear. We we're slowly heading towards the current era.

When certain things that were apart of your life for so many years, finally come to an end it can be quite impactful.
2006 was the end of the ''classic'' 2000s. It was the end of many things that were apart of my generations lives for a long time. It was the end of
Sixth generation gaming (PS2/GCN/Xbox).
The iPod being a huge status symbol and no iPhones.
Unrestricted Internet and no PRISM.
Re-runs of 90s shows on CN and Disney Channel (the "crappy" new shows were coming in, but didn't become popular and replace the old shows until 2007).
shows like That '70s Show, Charmed, and Malcolm in the Middle,The West Wing, Alias, Will&Grace, Everwood, Bernie Mac Show
MNF on ABC
original ABC sports
WWE Raw and Smackdown's logos and entrances
Paul Tagliabue as NFL commissioner
Funimation dubbing DBZ
WB became CW
Roger Ebert left At the Movies
TV Land strictly showing OLD SHOWS
ABC family just being family orientated
old style NBA on ABC

Katana Queen, I think you might have just outgrown wrestling by that point. I was a big fan from the mid attitude era (1999)to the end of the ruthless aggression era(07-08). From 4-12. I loved the attitude era but I also loved the ruthless aggression era also as a kid as well. And I also have great respect for the 80s and early 90s rock n wrestling era too.  PG era was a very rude awakening for me at the time, because of the product I was used to. I've been checking out occasionally since 2012 and it has SLIGHTLY improved.


Do you keep up with the product today? ???

Do you keep up with the product today? ???


Like I said before I occasionally do!

Katana Queen, I think you might have just outgrown wrestling by that point. I was a big fan from the mid attitude era (1999)to the end of the ruthless aggression era(07-08). From 4-12. I loved the attitude era but I also loved the ruthless aggression era also as a kid as well. And I also have great respect for the 80s and early 90s rock n wrestling era too.  PG era was a very rude awakening for me at the time, beucase of the product I was used to. I've been checking out occasionally since 2012 and it has SLIGHTLY improved.

By 2002 I did outgrow it. The late 90's and 2000 were my wrestling fan days. NWO dominating the WCW and DX's antics in the WWF plus the whole Stone Cold vs Vince was must see TV! WWE/F back then had sponsors drop them because some of the storylines were too dirty. I know DX used to moon the crowd too. ECW I think was the utterly crude one, but wasn't competition on the same level as WCW vs WWF was. It seemed more low budget and smaller.

Like I said before I occasionally do!


Ok, who's the world champion now? One guess, His initials are BL.

By 2002 I did outgrow it. The late 90's and 2000 were my wrestling fan days. NWO dominating the WCW and DX's antics in the WWF plus the whole Stone Cold vs Vince was must see TV! WWE/F back then had sponsors drop them because some of the storylines were too dirty. I know DX used to moon the crowd too. ECW I think was the utterly crude one, but wasn't competition on the same level as WCW vs WWF was. It seemed more low budget and smaller.


Do you keep up with the product now?

Ok, who's the world champion now? One guess, His initials are BL.


Bingo!!  :D and Daniel Bryan will face Roman Reigns on Fast Lane this Sunday, to see who will face him at Mania.

Bingo!!  :D and Daniel Bryan will face Roman Reigns on Fast Lane this Sunday, to see who will face him at Mania.


Yep, that is correct! :)

Do you keep up with the product now?

No I do not.  :(

No I do not.  :(


I don't blame you! Lol  ;)

I honestly do. 97 born here.

I honestly do. 97 born here.


Like I said before the younger and younger you were the more 90s it felt. Even though the 90s and early-mid 2000s were both different eras. Then again it depends on what part of the 90s you are talking about.

No I do not.  :(


Been liking wrestling for over 25 years and now these days the product has become boring and watered down garbage. I don't get excited as much as I used to.

I don't blame you! Lol  ;)


I'm tired of stupid John Cena and his You Can't See Me waving his hand over his face and Never Give Up motto.

I'm tired of stupid John Cena and his You Can't See Me waving his hand over his face and Never Give Up motto.


At least Cena is being phased out. But RR needs to improve in the ring and the mic!!

People who think that probably only remember the tail end of the 90s, which wasn't too different from the early 00s. It does get kind of annoying though when younger people talk about the millennium era as if it represents the entire 90s.

People who think that probably only remember the tail end of the 90s, which wasn't too different from the early 00s. It does get kind of annoying though when younger people talk about the millennium era as if it represents the entire 90s.


I know THANK YOU. They only think of 98/99, which was even a different world than 96/97.

I know THANK YOU. They only think of 98/99, which was even a different world than 96/97.


No, '98 and '99 were not different from '96 and '97.

No, '98 and '99 were not different from '96 and '97.


Well, I always thought 96/97 was pure 90s. While late 97 98 and 99 always came off to me strictly millenial culture years.

Well, I always thought 96/97 was pure 90s. While late 97 98 and 99 always came off to me strictly millenial culture years.


1998 and 1999 are pure 90's. The 2000s didn't exist yet until 2000.

1998 and 1999 are pure 90's. The 2000s didn't exist yet until 2000.


I was talking pop culturally not chronologically, pal. 2000 and 2001(pre 9/11) were flat out extensions of the late 90s

1998 and 1999 are pure 90's. The 2000s didn't exist yet until 2000.


1999 was not pure '90s. In the 1990s, people were coming up with ideas for movies, music, technology and tv shows that ran well into the 2000s only. Let's look at the American Pie and Matrix series, both have (or will) last well into the 2010s. 1999 was the first year of the 2000s in more ways than one. In the 2000s, we were setting the stage for the 2010s. Have you not noticed that Katy Perry is a 2010s artist despite her debut album dropping in 2008. Why do you think that is?  8)

I think you're looking at 1999 as a Clinton era year only. There is so much more to 1999 alone.

God has everything planned out for each one of us living on this earth. Pop culture has always been a part of our every day lives.