What do you think the core 00's year was? I would say 2005. It was the year with the blend of the music from the earlier part of the decade and some of the newer stuff from the later part of the decade. Not only that, It was the year that MySpace exploded and Social Media really made a big hit and started around this year and it was also the birth of YouTube as well. Emo was huge as well as well this year. Hip Hop was big as well. What do you guys think the core 00's year was?

Alright I changed the poll to all the years just to make it even. bchris02, if you would like to change your vote to 2008 you can.

I would say 2008, but its not an option on your poll so I chose 2007.  2008 was the year emo and emo-lite fashion peaked and then dropped off sharply in 2009.  2007 and 2008 was when ringtone rap peaked and began its decline.  It was also the peak of that awful Bieber hairstyle and the year that our generation, the millennials, really began to have a national voice, shown in the election of Barack Obama.  2008 was also the year homosexuality became an overwhelming positive thing in culture vs a negative or neutral thing as it was before.  I would say 2008 represented everything the '00s were. 

I would say 2008, but its not an option on your poll so I chose 2007.  2008 was the year emo and emo-lite fashion peaked and then dropped off sharply in 2009.  2007 and 2008 was when ringtone rap peaked and began its decline.  It was also the peak of that awful Bieber hairstyle and the year that our generation, the millennials, really began to have a national voice, shown in the election of Barack Obama.  2008 was also the year homosexuality became an overwhelming positive thing in culture vs a negative or neutral thing as it was before.  I would say 2008 represented everything the '00s were.


You have a right to an opinion, so I won't come down with a heap of bricks on your post but I personally think 2008 has more to do with the early 10s than it does the mid 00s.

What do you think the core 00's year was? I would say 2005. It was the year with the blend of the music from the earlier part of the decade and some of the newer stuff from the later part of the decade. Not only that, It was the year that MySpace exploded and Social Media really made a big hit and started around this year and it was also the birth of YouTube as well. Emo was huge as well as well this year. Hip Hop was big as well. What do you guys think the core 00's year was?



What do you think the core 00's year was? I would say 2005. It was the year with the blend of the music from the earlier part of the decade and some of the newer stuff from the later part of the decade. Not only that, It was the year that MySpace exploded and Social Media really made a big hit and started around this year and it was also the birth of YouTube as well. Emo was huge as well as well this year. Hip Hop was big as well. What do you guys think the core 00's year was?


My answer to this question. The core 00s year and why:

Let's begin. The year is 2004.

Turn on the television.

This year saw the airing of Playing It Straight, early days of America's Next Top Model, The Apprentice, Biggest Loser, Pimp My Ride and Joey. Fear Factor was still on air, Malcolm In The Middle was still around and arguably the defining show of the era, Survivor was airing its All-Stars season.

Turn on the radio.

The year began with "Hey Ya!" by Outkast at number one and ended "Drop It Like It's Hot" by Snoop Dog at number one. Even World Idol announced the winner in 2004.

Turn on your computer.

Fans of The Sims franchise were excitedly awaiting the release of The Sims 2 late in the year. Needless to say, Roller Coaster Tycoon 3 also came out late in the year. And although Facebook was originally only for a particular group of people, it was still launced in 2004.

Read your newspaper.

While 9/11 had an impact that few other events of the century could even come close to measuring up to, the Boxing Day Tsunami that was responsible for the killing of over 230,000 people in fourteen countries, occured in late 2004.

Go to the movies.

2004 was the release year of the film for Harry Potter And The Prisoner Of Azkaban.

Get out your calculator.

There were ten years. Three of them were leap years so more of the noughties was 2000, 2004 or 2008 than any of the other seven years. Also note, this means the middle leap year has claim to December 31st, 2004, the exact middle of the decade (keep in mind 2000-2004 was a day longer than 2005-2009). So mathematically, 2004 is also the winner.

So in conclusion, the 00s year of Athens Olympics sports the gold medal as the core 00s year.

Congratulations 2004!

*Cue "Take Me Out" by Franz Ferdinand, a 2004 anthem*

My answer to this question. The core 00s year and why:

Let's begin. The year is 2004.

Turn on the television.

This year saw the airing of Playing It Straight, early days of America's Next Top Model, The Apprentice, Biggest Loser, Pimp My Ride and Joey. Fear Factor was still on air, Malcolm In The Middle was still around and arguably the defining show of the era, Survivor was airing its All-Stars season.

Turn on the radio.

The year began with "Hey Ya!" by Outkast at number one and ended "Drop It Like It's Hot" by Snoop Dog at number one. Even World Idol announced the winner in 2004.

Turn on your computer.

Fans of The Sims franchise were excitedly awaiting the release of The Sims 2 late in the year. Needless to say, Roller Coaster Tycoon 3 also came out late in the year. And although Facebook was originally only for a particular group of people, it was still launced in 2004.

Read your newspaper.

While 9/11 had an impact that few other events of the century could even come close to measuring up to, the Boxing Day Tsunami that was responsible for the killing of over 230,000 people in fourteen countries, occured in late 2004.

Go to the movies.

2004 was the release year of the film for Harry Potter And The Prisoner Of Azkaban.

Get out your calculator.

There were ten years. Three of them were leap years so more of the noughties was 2000, 2004 or 2008 than any of the other seven years. Also note, this means the middle leap year has claim to December 31st, 2004, the exact middle of the decade (keep in mind 2000-2004 was a day longer than 2005-2009). So mathematically, 2004 is also the winner.

So in conclusion, the 00s year of Athens Olympics sports the gold medal as the core 00s year.

Congratulations 2004!

*Cue "Take Me Out" by Franz Ferdinand, a 2004 anthem*



it was 2005

Agree, 2005. 2004 was still somewhat 'early 00's' while 2005 was neither early nor late-like.

Agree, 2005. 2004 was still somewhat 'early 00's' while 2005 was neither early nor late-like.


Are you sure 2005 had no late-ish qualities? Rihanna became popular that year, YouTube and Bebo were available then and Wikipedia was well-established by that year. Television-wise the USA version of Hell's Kitchen is very late 00s-like and it began in 2005.

And a lot of what would be considered quintessential reality show moments of the 00s were already done and dusted by December 31st, 2004. Some examples, World Idol (2003 also, but ended in 2004) and Fear Factor before its decline in popularity. Even The Biggest Loser and The Apprentice both began in 2004.

And then there's Survivor. A lot of the shows 'most memorable' moments occured before 2005 had even started. Such as Richard Hatch winning the first season, the finale having a Guiness World Record televsion audience (2000), Michael Skupin falling in a fire while playing Survivor, who happens to be in the current season right now (2001), the controversial purple rock that has influenced future seasons (2002) and of course, Fairplay's dead grandmother hoax, often considered the greatest Survivor moment of all time (2003).

it was 2005


Can I ask why you said that? IMO, 2005 is more 'late 00s'-like than 2004 is 'early-00s' like.

2004 Mazda Rx8, the defining car of the 2000s. So quintessential that the top 4 finishers in Fear Factor's grand championship of season three even received a brand new (wasn't even available to the public yet) red model.

http://gameblog.me/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/image_large.jpg

And I find this guy from 2004 easier to remember than just about any American Idol winner:

http://gotademo.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/william-hung.jpg?w=450

Can I ask why you said that? IMO, 2005 is more 'late 00s'-like than 2004 is 'early-00s' like.


But was 2004 more like 2000 or more like 2012?

And I find this guy from 2004 easier to remember than just about any American Idol winner:

http://gotademo.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/william-hung.jpg?w=450


Why does that picture say Upper Deck?  Are there William Hung trading cards out there?  Good night nurse that is just wrong

And I find this guy from 2004 easier to remember than just about any American Idol winner:

http://gotademo.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/william-hung.jpg?w=450


cause he had that silly one hit wonder.

But was 2004 more like 2000 or more like 2012?


I'd say 2004 is more like 2000 than 2012, and so it should be. 4 years difference against 8 years difference. Note also that 2000 is part of the 00s, whereas 2012 is part of the 10s.

And no matter what, as I explained above, mathematics will always support 2004 and NOT 2005!

cause he had that silly one hit wonder.


William Hung didn't really have a 'one hit wonder'. And "She Bangs" was a cover of Ricky Martin. Which is why he was dubbed "Hong Kong Ricky Martin".

Why does that picture say Upper Deck?  Are there William Hung trading cards out there?  Good night nurse that is just wrong


I'm not sure, but there sure were bobblehead dolls. Like this:
http://worthopedia.s3.amazonaws.com/images/thumbnails2/1/0407/19/1_6bfd8fd371c2d025efaa5db5d11bc563.jpg

Still, what is wrong about the possibility of William Hung cards? We are, after all, talking about a 21st century hero!

2008.  That year represented everything the '00s were about. 

2008.  That year represented everything the '00s were about.


2008? HA! If 2008 represented everything about the 00s, why do Lady Gaga, Katy Perry and Wipeout have at least close to, and maybe even more relevance in the 10s? Why was there no Fear Factor, Texas Justice or even Malcolm In The Middle on television (excluding any re-runs)?

Everyone has an opinion, but one of the only ways I can make sense of someone thinking 2008 is if they were too young to remember the whole decade. Were you born in 2000? That would explain why 2008 seems more significant to you than 2004.

I'm starting to think the sixth year is the core part of every decade. It usually has a little bit of the early part left. it certainly has the middle. It usually has bits of the later decade, too.

I'm starting to think the sixth year is the core part of every decade. It usually has a little bit of the early part left. it certainly has the middle. It usually has bits of the later decade, too.


You mean two thousand and five?

http://thecarecompany.biz/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/people_say_no1.jpg

I'm starting to think the sixth year is the core part of every decade. It usually has a little bit of the early part left. it certainly has the middle. It usually has bits of the later decade, too.


Agreed.

And although Facebook was originally only for a particular group of people, it was still launced in 2004.


That's a bit like arguing that the WWW was an 80's thing since it was invented around 1989.

Get out your calculator.

There were ten years. Three of them were leap years so more of the noughties was 2000, 2004 or 2008 than any of the other seven years. Also note, this means the middle leap year has claim to December 31st, 2004, the exact middle of the decade (keep in mind 2000-2004 was a day longer than 2005-2009). So mathematically, 2004 is also the winner.


What has calculating to do with a pop cultural or technological 'core of a decade'?

What has calculating to do with a pop cultural or technological 'core of a decade'?


If all else fails, 2004 has the mathematical advantage. That is, if we are thinking of decades as from the '0' year to the '9' year and the '0', '4' and '8' years are the leap years.

2008? HA! If 2008 represented everything about the 00s, why do Lady Gaga, Katy Perry and Wipeout have at least close to, and maybe even more relevance in the 10s? Why was there no Fear Factor, Texas Justice or even Malcolm In The Middle on television (excluding any re-runs)?

Everyone has an opinion, but one of the only ways I can make sense of someone thinking 2008 is if they were too young to remember the whole decade. Were you born in 2000? That would explain why 2008 seems more significant to you than 2004.
Well the first half of 2008 still had some pop culture trends popular from the 2003-mid 2007 era like Lil Wayne being popular from a glam rap era point of view.

That's a bit like arguing that the WWW was an 80's thing since it was invented around 1989.


Thing is, MySpace and such were also around then. So any claim that 2004 was too 'early 00s' can basically fall flat. More accurate would be to say that 2005 was too 'late 00s'

My vote is for 2005 as well. Maybe 2006. The '05-'06 school year pretty much had everything that defines the '00s...the Myspace craze, flip phones (including the razr), the emo scene gained momentum. All American Rejects, Cartel, Yellowcard, plenty of gangsta rap. House M.D., American Idol 5, Lost, Desperate Housewives, Grey's Anatomy. No early '10s things like Lady Gaga/Katy Perry/Adele yet back then.

My vote is for 2005 as well. Maybe 2006. The '05-'06 school year pretty much had everything that defines the '00s...the Myspace craze, flip phones (including the razr), the emo scene gained momentum. All American Rejects, Cartel, Yellowcard, plenty of gangsta rap. House M.D., American Idol 5, Lost, Desperate Housewives, Grey's Anatomy. No early '10s things like Lady Gaga/Katy Perry/Adele yet back then.


To be fair though, social networking still had some prescence in 2004 and I think Fear Factor is more '00s-like' than shows like Lost for sure. Does everyone remember that the decade actually began January 1st, 2000 not just September 11, 2001 LOL?  Also American Idol three is probably the qunitessential season - I mean William Hung is easily one of the most memorable contestants ever, to the point that a live performance on an American Idol special and a whole craze started. There were more bobblehead dolls, and other merchandise and websites and so on for William Hung than there was for Ruben Studdard, Lee DwWyze or any winner really. I even know some people who watched American Idol, just to see the episode that William Hung performed live.

And apart from Fantasia Barrino, Diana DeGarmo, Jasmine Trias, LaToya London, George Huff, Jennifer Hudson, and Camile Velasco have also released albums since the season ended, with at least Leah LaBelle being signed to a major record label.

And while basically all seasons have offered a lot of 'funny' auditions, season three tends to be the season with some of people's favorites. You had Jacequline Roman the scat girl singer, you had the Atlanta woman who had an awkward note, you've got the guy that threw Simon Cowell's drink at him, Danny Parker, that guy that sang 'Ain't No Mountain High Enough' like a goat, and then there's the guy who sang "Don't Let The Sun Go Down On Me" I think he was called Roland or something like that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4gBvpV_0_Y

I agree with 2004, although each of 2004, 2005, and 2006 really blend together for me.


I think it's kind of a silly topic though since every decade's "core" comes in the middle part (the 4-6 years). That's the period that naturally has the least influence from the surrounding decades, with 2004-2006 far enough removed from both the 1990s and the 2010s to feel fairly distinctive. Same with 1994-96, 1984-86, 1974-76, 1964-66, and so on down the line.

I agree with 2004, although each of 2004, 2005, and 2006 really blend together for me.


I think it's kind of a silly topic though since every decade's "core" comes in the middle part (the 4-6 years). That's the period that naturally has the least influence from the surrounding decades, with 2004-2006 far enough removed from both the 1990s and the 2010s to feel fairly distinctive. Same with 1994-96, 1984-86, 1974-76, 1964-66, and so on down the line.


Agreed. Although some food for thought: Shouldn't the "3" year be included in the core too, from a mathematical standpoint? 2003 is the same distance from 1999 as 2006 is from 2010.

Agreed. Although some food for thought: Shouldn't the "3" year be included in the core too, from a mathematical standpoint? 2003 is the same distance from 1999 as 2006 is from 2010.


THIS. I think some people think 1999 goes to 2001 and forget to take the '0' year (2000) into consideration. It is no less significant to the decade than 2009. And between 2003 and 2006, I'd choose 2003 as being more 'core'. For example, The Lord Of The Rings: The Return Of The King grossed higher than Pirates Of The Carribean: Dead Man's Chest and as far as directors go, I have never heard of Gore Verbinski until I just looked it up, yet many people I know have heard of Peter Jackson. What's even better is that this is despite the fact that Pirates was directed bt an American and Peter Jackson is a New Zealander. And let's be honest, how often do people hear about that small-ish country in the south Pacific? Rarely. So if a director whose not even from a country with a particularly dominant media influence can reach greater heights than any American,it says a lot about which half of the 2000s, was really doing well. And even against the case of Avatar, the mid-December 2009 debuting film owes a large portion of its gross to 2010, which is outside of the decade, obviously. So the highest-grossing film of the era that wasn't released at such an eleventh hour was from 2003, and even if it owes gross to 2004, that only further explains 2004.

I'll let the members of the 2005 and 2006 fanclubs sleep with their collections of 2005 and 2006 calenders under their pillows at night, if that's what get's them through their sleep, but the reasons I stated haven't budged at all.

The core year: 1957

Within this silly thread, it's no less dumb an answer than the others.

The core year: 1957

Within this silly thread, it's no less dumb an answer than the others.


Excellent choice.

BTW: I picked 2009. Bet Jenny won't be pleased. ::)

Excellent choice.

BTW: I picked 2009. Bet Jenny won't be pleased. ::)


I'm not worried if you are a 2009 fanboy. Hopefully, you have access to plenty of 2009 merchandise, that way you have a way of worshipping the year that you seem to love. :)

The core year: 1957

Within this silly thread, it's no less dumb an answer than the others.


With all due repsect, 1957 is part of the 1950s. Whereas 2004 is part of the 2000s.

The core year: 1957

Within this silly thread, it's no less dumb an answer than the others.


Lmao!

I'm not worried if you are a 2009 fanboy. Hopefully, you have access to plenty of 2009 merchandise, that way you have a way of worshipping the year that you seem to love. :)


Why are you calling me a fanboy?

And even against the case of Avatar, the mid-December 2009 debuting film owes a large portion of its gross to 2010, which is outside of the decade, obviously.

I have always thought of Avatar as more of a 2010 thing than a 2009 thing. But maybe that's because I personally saw it at the theater in January '10.

Why are you calling me a fanboy?


I am more curious as to why Jenny1982 seems so hostile to other members myself.

Are there really fanboys and fangirls of years now OMG!  ;D

Are there really fanboys of years now OMG!  ;D


What about fangirls?  ;D

What about fangirls?  ;D


True...corrected.  ;)  ;D

THIS. I think some people think 1999 goes to 2001 and forget to take the '0' year (2000) into consideration. It is no less significant to the decade than 2009. And between 2003 and 2006, I'd choose 2003 as being more 'core'. For example, The Lord Of The Rings: The Return Of The King grossed higher than Pirates Of The Carribean: Dead Man's Chest and as far as directors go, I have never heard of Gore Verbinski until I just looked it up, yet many people I know have heard of Peter Jackson. What's even better is that this is despite the fact that Pirates was directed bt an American and Peter Jackson is a New Zealander. And let's be honest, how often do people hear about that small-ish country in the south Pacific? Rarely. So if a director whose not even from a country with a particularly dominant media influence can reach greater heights than any American,it says a lot about which half of the 2000s, was really doing well. And even against the case of Avatar, the mid-December 2009 debuting film owes a large portion of its gross to 2010, which is outside of the decade, obviously. So the highest-grossing film of the era that wasn't released at such an eleventh hour was from 2003, and even if it owes gross to 2004, that only further explains 2004.

I'll let the members of the 2005 and 2006 fanclubs sleep with their collections of 2005 and 2006 calenders under their pillows at night, if that's what get's them through their sleep, but the reasons I stated haven't budged at all.


This long post for what? Jenny go out and enjoy life there's no "2005 fanclub", in the real world nobody cares about this crap LOL.  ;D

I am more curious as to why Jenny1982 seems so hostile to other members myself.


I think she is "90's was the gold".

I think she is "90's was the gold".


I think so too because they both called the '10s the "tenties"...who else uses that term? Nobody

This long post for what? Jenny go out and enjoy life there's no "2005 fanclub", in the real world nobody cares about this crap LOL.  ;D


QFE



I think she is "90's was the gold".


Their posting styles definitely share some similarities.

Their posting styles definitely share some similarities.


And 'her' appearance and flood of postings directly after '90's was the gold' and 'strawberry sundae' disappeared...

And 'her' appearance and flood of postings directly after '90's was the gold' and 'strawberry sundae' disappeared...


Detective Inlandsvägen1986 is on the case!

I have to say I agree with you.

And 'her' appearance and flood of postings directly after '90's was the gold' and 'strawberry sundae' disappeared...


There's too many coincidences to ignore here I think.

I got the impression '90s was the gold' was born way after 1982 though...he/she seemed to take pride that they were alive while Yugoslavia was still a country, so I got the impression he/she was born shortly before it ceased to be (1991?) yet they wouldn't outright admit their age. But Jenny bragged about remembering watching CareBears in 1986 and has 1982 in her name. But you're right, the similarities/coincidences are adding up.

I got the impression '90s was the gold' was born way after 1982 though...he/she seemed to take pride that they were alive while Yugoslavia was still a country, so I got the impression he/she was born shortly before it ceased to be. But Jenny bragged about remembering watching CareBears in 1986. But you're right, the similarities/coincidences are adding up.


Yeah it sounds more like she was born in 2002 tbh. LOL

They were/are both big fans of Survivor too with in-depth knowledge of each season.

Yeah it sounds more like she was born in 2002 tbh. LOL


The maturity level "she" displays through interactions with other members does leave questions in my mind in regards to her age.  :D

I got the impression '90s was the gold' was born way after 1982 though...he/she seemed to take pride that they were alive while Yugoslavia was still a country, so I got the impression he/she was born shortly before it ceased to be (1991?) yet they wouldn't outright admit their age. But Jenny bragged about remembering watching CareBears in 1986 and has 1982 in her name. But you're right, the similarities/coincidences are adding up.


Yeah, I thought that this 90's-gold-guy was born in the late 80's at earliest since he was only talking about the 90's and 00's. However on the other hand he mentioned that he was too young for the first Star Wars movie, so it could be any birth year between the late 70's and early 90's.

But Jenny bragged about remembering watching CareBears in 1986 and has 1982 in her name. But you're right, the similarities/coincidences are adding up.


It also seems that CareBears is the only thing 'she' remembered about the 80's. And that's a little weak IMO if you were born in 1982.

Yeah, I thought that this 90's-gold-guy was born in the late 80's at earliest since he was only talking about the 90's and 00's. However on the other hand he mentioned that he was too young for the first Star Wars movie, so it could be any birth year between the late 70's and early 90's.


The best way to solve this case would be for the administrator to compare IP addresses between the posters.

The core year: 1957

Within this silly thread, it's no less dumb an answer than the others.


Excellent choice.

BTW: I picked 2009. Bet Jenny won't be pleased. ::)


I'll pick the median of 1957 and 2009.

The best way to solve this case would be for the administrator to compare IP addresses between the posters.


As I've been told, the IP address of 90's is the gold/Strawberry Sundae was blocked.

As I've been told, the IP address of 90's is the gold/Strawberry Sundae was blocked.


Hmm, curious. Well IP anonymizers and proxy servers do exist.

Hmm, curious. Well IP anonymizers and proxy servers do exist.


A lot of IP addresses change all the time.

This long post for what? Jenny go out and enjoy life there's no "2005 fanclub", in the real world nobody cares about this crap LOL.  ;D


I agree. I like to think that good points go without arguments.

A lot of IP addresses change all the time.


You make a valid point. :]

Agreed. Although some food for thought: Shouldn't the "3" year be included in the core too, from a mathematical standpoint? 2003 is the same distance from 1999 as 2006 is from 2010.


Indeed. But I find the '3' year is always a final transition away from the previous decade in a lot of ways, while the '6' year is usually less transitional towards the next decade. 2006 feels like it was likely only a small step towards the 2010s culture, while 2003 was probably the final pop culture year that could be confused with the late 90s at all. So 2006 feels a little more "core" to me than 2003, same with 1996 vs. 1993.

Are there really fanboys and fangirls of years now OMG!  ;D


What the hell is a fanboy and fangirl?  ???

Indeed. But I find the '3' year is always a final transition away from the previous decade in a lot of ways, while the '6' year is usually less transitional towards the next decade. 2006 feels like it was likely only a small step towards the 2010s culture, while 2003 was probably the final pop culture year that could be confused with the late 90s at all. So 2006 feels a little more "core" to me than 2003, same with 1996 vs. 1993.


That's because the middle of a decade runs from April 1, xxx3 to September 1, xxx6 more or less.

It was tough to say, because any year between and including 2003 and 2008 could be it, but I feel that 2004 is the peak of "what made the 00's what it was", if that makes any sense. The decade is defined by reality shows, pop and glam rap, George W. Bush and post 9/11 fear, the Iraq War, and the PS2 era of gaming, and 2004 seemed like the peak of all those things. 2005 on the other hand, seemed like the beginning of the second phase (half) of the 00's with Web 2.0 (MySpace, YouTube), and glam rap giving way to snap/ringtone rap and electropop (although many would argue that 2006 is more changeful). With the later phase, I feel that 2008 was the peak. Even though 2008 (the later part) had the beginnings of early 10's things, it still had a lot of things from 2005 as well.

I think so too because they both called the '10s the "tenties"...who else uses that term? Nobody


the tenties???  :D 


see what I miss when I neglect to read really long-winded, unimportant, uninteresting posts???

thanks for taking the bullet so I could get the entertainment without the pain!

They were/are both big fans of Survivor too with in-depth knowledge of each season.



HEY!!! There's nothing wrong with being a Survivor fan  >:(   



:P

Yeah, I thought that this 90's-gold-guy was born in the late 80's at earliest since he was only talking about the 90's and 00's. However on the other hand he mentioned that he was too young for the first Star Wars movie, so it could be any birth year between the late 70's and early 90's.



depends on your definition of the "first" Star Wars movie.... New Hope or Phantom Menace...


adults consider New Hope the "first" Star Wars movie..... kids think Episode One (Phantom Menace) is... 

I'll pick the median of 1957 and 2009.



considering all decades are part of the 00s  (technically speaking)  so the core year is actually 1967... you know nothing that really matters didn't happen until I was born...

They were/are both big fans of Survivor too with in-depth knowledge of each season.


Funny you guys mention all this because this is part of the reason why I've been under the high suspicion lately that they're both the same person. They're writing style and opinions, especially on the subject of reality television shows, are almost, if not completely, dead-on. But, that's just me. :-\\


Back on topic...I personally see 2005 as the core year.

I'd say 2004 is more like 2000 than 2012, and so it should be. 4 years difference against 8 years difference. Note also that 2000 is part of the 00s, whereas 2012 is part of the 10s.

And no matter what, as I explained above, mathematics will always support 2004 and NOT 2005!


I was taking a jab at decadeology and you not only turned it into a serious discussion, you backed it up with mathematics.

Even John Nash would say you are crazy

I was taking a jab at decadeology and you not only turned it into a serious discussion, you backed it up with mathematics.

Even John Nash would say you are crazy


Apparently, Jenny1982 did not detect your sarcasm.  :D

HEY!!! There's nothing wrong with being a Survivor fan  >:(   



:P


I am a Survivor fan! I didn't mean it as a bad thing at all, but we're a small group these days, which is why it was fishy that they were both "experts" on the show. The Borneo days when everyone watched are long behind us. It still does well in the ratings though, I hope it sticks around for seasons to come.

considering all decades are part of the 00s  (technically speaking)  so the core year is actually 1967

(Raises hand) I second the motion
(Looks around) Motion passed.

I was taking a jab at decadeology and you not only turned it into a serious discussion, you backed it up with mathematics.

Even John Nash would say you are crazy


yes but Charlie Epps probably does have a viable mathematical equation to support the theory.  :D

I am a Survivor fan! I didn't mean it as a bad thing at all, but we're a small group these days, which is why it was fishy that they were both "experts" on the show. The Borneo days when everyone watched are long behind us. It still does well in the ratings though, I hope it sticks around for seasons to come.


you should totally check out our survivor thread in current Tv shows.... no decadeology discussions allowed tho  ;)

(Raises hand) I second the motion
(Looks around) Motion passed.



smart dude!

considering all decades are part of the 00s  (technically speaking)  so the core year is actually 1967... you know nothing that really matters didn't happen until I was born...




smart dude!


You betcha!  My first memories are from around 1967, so what occured before is not relevant anyways  ;D

HEY!!! There's nothing wrong with being a Survivor fan  >:(   



:P


I used to be a Survivor fan but I lost interest in that show.

I'd say 2005 or 2006.

I'm one of those strange people that believes the 00s started on 1/1/00 and ended on 12/31/09, so the core year would be somewhere in the middle (04 or 05).

2008? HA! If 2008 represented everything about the 00s, why do Lady Gaga, Katy Perry and Wipeout have at least close to, and maybe even more relevance in the 10s? Why was there no Fear Factor, Texas Justice or even Malcolm In The Middle on television (excluding any re-runs)?

Everyone has an opinion, but one of the only ways I can make sense of someone thinking 2008 is if they were too young to remember the whole decade. Were you born in 2000? That would explain why 2008 seems more significant to you than 2004.


No, I was alive and very conscious throughout the entire decade of the '00s.  Lady Gaga, Ke$ha, and the like to me are all late '00s fads rather than early '10s ones.  They peaked in 2010 and fell off rather sharply in 2011, so I believe history will fit them in with the '00s moreso than the '10s.  Lady Gaga is all but irrelevant now - she is going to have to make a huge splash with her next album to come anywhere close to her 2009 and early 2010 popularity.  Katy Perry is interesting.  Her music in 2008 and 2009 had a distinctly different sound than her music from 2010 (Teenage Dream) to present.  Katy Perry in 2008 wasn't so Disney. 

2008, to me, represented everything the '00s had to offer.  The mid-'00s still hadn't completely faded yet.  Emo-based fashion peaked in 2008, and that is as '00s as you can get.  Snap rap had peaked but was still popular as had crunk and ringtone rap.  Top 40 was still dominated by hip-hop even though more melodic songs were starting to become more popular than they had been in the previous years.  George W. Bush was President.  Myspace was still popular but Facebook was growing in popularity.  The iPhone debuted in 2007 but it really started to take off in 2008.  Rising gas prices peaked in 2008.  2008 also still had some holdovers left from the early '00s such as Abercrombie & Fitch (was much more popular then than it is now), CDs, P2P file sharing, AOL Instant Messenger, iPods that were separate from your smartphone, desktop computers, I still knew people who used dial-up (and commercials for dial-up were still on TV), etc.

So I hope that explains to everyone why I think 2008 was the core '00s year.  I think it was the one year in the decade that tied it all together.

No, I was alive and very conscious throughout the entire decade of the '00s.  Lady Gaga, Ke$ha, and the like to me are all late '00s fads rather than early '10s ones.  They peaked in 2010 and fell off rather sharply in 2011, so I believe history will fit them in with the '00s moreso than the '10s.  Lady Gaga is all but irrelevant now - she is going to have to make a huge splash with her next album to come anywhere close to her 2009 and early 2010 popularity.  Katy Perry is interesting.  Her music in 2008 and 2009 had a distinctly different sound than her music from 2010 (Teenage Dream) to present.  Katy Perry in 2008 wasn't so Disney. 

2008, to me, represented everything the '00s had to offer.  The mid-'00s still hadn't completely faded yet.  Emo-based fashion peaked in 2008, and that is as '00s as you can get.  Snap rap had peaked but was still popular as had crunk and ringtone rap.  Top 40 was still dominated by hip-hop even though more melodic songs were starting to become more popular than they had been in the previous years.  George W. Bush was President.  Myspace was still popular but Facebook was growing in popularity.  The iPhone debuted in 2007 but it really started to take off in 2008.  Rising gas prices peaked in 2008.  2008 also still had some holdovers left from the early '00s such as Abercrombie & Fitch (was much more popular then than it is now), CDs, P2P file sharing, AOL Instant Messenger, iPods that were separate from your smartphone, desktop computers, I still knew people who used dial-up (and commercials for dial-up were still on TV), etc.

So I hope that explains to everyone why I think 2008 was the core '00s year.  I think it was the one year in the decade that tied it all together.



I repeat, 1993 to 2009 was a distinct era. 2006-2012 is transitional between that era and the burgeoning one, but I'd agree 2008 wasn't far enough up this curve that I'd lump it in with the present more than with the transmillennial era.

No, I was alive and very conscious throughout the entire decade of the '00s.  Lady Gaga, Ke$ha, and the like to me are all late '00s fads rather than early '10s ones.  They peaked in 2010 and fell off rather sharply in 2011, so I believe history will fit them in with the '00s moreso than the '10s.  Lady Gaga is all but irrelevant now - she is going to have to make a huge splash with her next album to come anywhere close to her 2009 and early 2010 popularity.  Katy Perry is interesting.  Her music in 2008 and 2009 had a distinctly different sound than her music from 2010 (Teenage Dream) to present.  Katy Perry in 2008 wasn't so Disney. 




Gaga is not irrelevant, her last album was a success and her 2008-2010 music remains popular. Ashanti is someone who is irrelevant nowadays, Gaga is quite far from that.

Lady Gaga is all but irrelevant now - she is going to have to make a huge splash with her next album to come anywhere close to her 2009 and early 2010 popularity. 


Seems more like you want her to be irrelevant more than her actually having no relevance today(which she does have). Anyways I don't agree with what you said about the peak of '00s pop culture(I would put it around '05 or '06), I remember when I first became a member here in '10, I said electronica/dance music would be pretty popular throughout most of the decade and you denied it(you said hip-hop/rap and rock would dominante..............still waiting ::)), well as time goes by looks like I was correct in my assessment and you weren't, EDM is still going strong and shows no signs of letting up at all.

Seems more like you want her to be irrelevant more than her actually having no relevance today(which she does have). Anyways I don't agree with what you said about the peak of '00s pop culture(I would put it around '05 or '06), I remember when I first became a member here in '10, I said electronica/dance music would be pretty popular throughout most of the decade and you denied it(you said hip-hop/rap and rock would dominante..............still waiting ::)), well as time goes by looks like I was correct in my assessment and you weren't, EDM is still going strong and shows no signs of letting up at all.


She is still relevant, but she's a holdover from the late '00s.  She is to the '10s what Britney Spears was to the '00s.  By 2002, Britney had already peaked in 1999-2000 but was still pretty popular and even put out a movie called Crossroads.  By 2004, she was fading into a tabloid joke.  Lady Gaga better make a huge splash with her next album or that is her future.

Electronic dance music is showing no signs of letting up right now, but in 2007 would you have thought that about ringtone rap?  Dance music fads in America usually never last more than a few years and I'll be surprised if this one is different.  The last one , in the '90s, lasted from late 1992 into summer of 1997 and then disappeared.