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Subject: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: Debbie on 05/21/08 at 6:41 pm

First...while men beating up, or even putting their hands anywhere on women is 100% unethical and wrong and ILLEGAL, women doing the same thing is not only allowed, but COOL!!

Second, the woman always wears the pants in the relationship.  When we want to go out with our girlfriends anytime we want, shop whenever we want, party well into the night whenever we want...you GUYS are stuck in the house doing what we tell you and you are not allowed to see any of your buddies ever again.

When men murder their wive they are monsters and given life in prison, but when women murder our husbands, it's chic and cool.

The world values women's health over men's.  Let's face, a majority of the world could give two flying f%cks if you males die out!!

When women are confident, self-assured and self-sufficient, it's great...not quite the same for you BOYZ!!!!

When a woman chooses her girlfriends over a guy, it's honorable...but when you guys choose your guyfriends over your woman, you are a bastard!

Women look hot in men's suits...men look stupid in dresses!

Women are allowed to cheat on their men!

Need I say more?!?!?! ;)

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: ladybug316 on 05/21/08 at 6:48 pm

Er no, that's quite enough.

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: Bobby on 05/21/08 at 8:08 pm

Lol.

I sense some kind of irony in his thread. 'Debbie' is probably a bloke having a laugh or something, lol.

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: LyricBoy on 05/21/08 at 8:13 pm



When men murder their wive they are monsters and given life in prison, but when women murder our husbands, it's chic and cool.

Need I say more?!?!?! ;)


Tell that to Donna Moonda, the woman (who lived around the corner from me) who was convicted of having her millionaire hubby snuffed by her boyfriend.

Boyfriend (who was the trigger man) got 17 years, and Donna got life without parole.

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: midnite on 05/21/08 at 8:55 pm

Women may be better than men but definitely NOT because of the reasons you mention, which are shallow.

Oh, and some men can sport dresses fabulously...  :P

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: Badfinger-fan on 05/21/08 at 9:23 pm

omg, Debbie is hot!    8)

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: Step-chan on 05/21/08 at 9:29 pm


Lol.

I sense some kind of irony in his thread. 'Debbie' is probably a bloke having a laugh or something, lol.


Either that or this guest is doing a really sloppy attempt at trolling. :D

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: Step-chan on 05/21/08 at 9:33 pm



When women are confident, self-assured and self-sufficient, it's great...not quite the same for you BOYZ!!!!


Kinda vague this one is.

So it's bad if a guy has self esteem?

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: quirky_cat_girl on 05/21/08 at 10:40 pm

huh? ???

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: ladybug316 on 05/21/08 at 10:55 pm


Women may be better than men but definitely NOT because of the reasons you mention, which are shallow.

Oh, and some men can sport dresses fabulously...   :P


You tell her, Mister Sister!  ;D

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: Step-chan on 05/21/08 at 11:18 pm


huh? ???


Yep.

Will Debbie be back?

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: Foo Bar on 05/21/08 at 11:33 pm

(Meh, I can afford to feed the occasional troll.  There's a Sex and the City movie coming out, which is way more insulting to women than anything Debbie came up with :)

"...and that's why man invented porn and the Internet, Debbie!"

Modern sexual politics are sorta like what happens when you try to mash up Atlas Shrugged with Lysistrata, but you hire the scriptwriter for Married With Children, and he writes the whole thing from Al Bundy's point of view.  Except it's a documentary, not a sitcom.

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: Step-chan on 05/21/08 at 11:36 pm

^

;D

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: AL-B Mk. III on 05/22/08 at 1:06 am

A BRIEF HISTORY OF THE CHEVROLET SMALL-BLOCK V-8.


Chevrolet's small-block V8 is a famous automobile engine. Nicknamed "mouse motor" (opposed to the big block engines, nicknamed "rat") for its compact dimensions compared to other V8 engines of the time, production began in 1955 with the 265 engine. By 1957 it had grown to 283 cubic inches, and with the optional Rochester mechanical fuel injection, it became the first production engine ever to make one horsepower per cubic inch. This engine was used to power the Corvette, and the Bel Air at that time. It would later be extended to other vehicles as well, and replace the old style 265 V8s. The displacement changed over the years, eventually reaching 400 in³ (6.6 L), but none caught on like the 350 in³ (5.7 L) small-block. This engine is still in production today at General Motors Toluca, Mexico plant (primarily for the GM over-the-counter Goodwrench powerplants), but is no longer offered in current model year vehicles since the year 2004. Its production numbers were impressive, with more than 90,000,000 built. It has been produced in carburated, mechanical fuel injection, and electronic fuel injection forms.

From 1955-74, the small-block engine was known as the "Turbo-Fire V8".

Although Buick, Cadillac, Oldsmobile, and Pontiac also designed V8 engines (see list of GM engines), it was Chevrolet's 350 in³ small-block that became the GM corporate standard. Over the years, every American General Motors division except Saturn used the Chevrolet small-block, and its descendants (see GM LT engine and GM LS engine) continue as the company's mainstream V8 design today.

The small-block was on the Ward's 10 Best Engines of the 20th Century list.

Major Versions

Generation 1

The original design of the small block remained remarkably unchanged for its production run, which began in 1955 and ended, in passenger vehicles, in 2003. The engine is still being built today for many aftermarket applications, both to replace worn-out older engines and also by many builders as high-performance applications. There were, however many minor changes made to the engine over the years; these changes are listed below.

    * 1955 - The first year of introduction in 265 cubic inches only. As was fairly common for the time, no provision for an oil filter was included in the engine design.
    * 1956 - Oil filtration was introduced, using a sock style filter in a canister.
    * 1962 - The block's cylinder wall casting was revised to allow four inch bores. Previously, only certain years of the 283 engine (1958-1962) could be bored safely to four inches.
    * 1968 - The main journal diameter was increased to 2.45 in from 2.30 in and the connecting rod journal diameter was increased to 2.10 in from 2.00 in. Additionally, the canister/sock style oil filter was now converted to use spin on filters. The oil fill location was moved from a tube on the front of the intake manifold to a cap on either side valve cover.
    * 1987 - The troublesome leaky valve cover surfaces were changed such that cylinder head mounting lip was raised and the bolt location was moved from 4 bolts on the perimeter, to 4 bolts down the centerline of the valve cover (this design debuted on the Corvette in 1985, and Chevrolet 4.3L the year before). The troublesome rear main seal was changed from a 2-piece rubber design to a 1-piece rubber design that used a mounting appliance to hold it in place. This necessitated a change in the flywheel/flexplate bolt pattern as well. Also changed were the mounting angles of the center 2 bolts on each side of the intake manifold (from 90 degrees to 73 degrees) and the lifter bosses were increased in height to accept roller lifters. The alloy heads for use in the Corvette still retain the non-angled bolts (center 2 bolts attaching to the intake).
    * 1996 - This was the last change for the Generation I engine, and continued through the end of the production run in 2003; all 1997-2003 Generation I engines were Vortec truck engines. The cylinder heads were redesigned using improved ports and combustion chambers similar to those in the Generation II LT1. This change resulted in significant power increases.

SB2 and SB2.2

(Small Block/second generation) This engine was produced from 1996 to the present for racing applications only. The cylinder heads were redesigned and the lifter bores were offset. The valve sequence for each head was changed from the traditional E-I-I-E-E-I-I-E to a new I-E-I-E-E-I-E-I and because of this the camshaft was redesigned.

Generation II
LT1 from a 1993 Chevrolet Camaro Z28
LT1 from a 1993 Chevrolet Camaro Z28

See the GM LT engine page for more information on the Generation II small-block V8s, which differ mainly in their reverse-flow cooling system.

Generation III / IV
LS1 from a 1998 Chevrolet Camaro Z28
LS1 from a 1998 Chevrolet Camaro Z28

See the GM LS engine page for more information on the current family of General Motors small-block V8s.

Early Small Blocks

Most current GM small-block V8s (the LT and LS series) trace their lineage to the 1955 265 in³ V8 developed for the Corvette. Displacement and power eventually reached 327 in³ and 12 hp (in prototypes) before the Corvette switched to Chevrolet big-block power. But the small-block lived on, settling in at 350 in³ for decades of performance.

265

The 265 in³ (4.3 L) V8 was the first Chevrolet small block. Designed by Ed Cole's group at Chevrolet, it filled the power gap in the 1955 Corvette lineup, producing an impressive 250 hp (145 kW). The little engine went from drawings to production in just 15 weeks. Besides its compact dimensions, the small-block was known for its novel green-sand foundry construction process.

Dimensions were oversquare - 3.75 in (95 mm) bore and 3 in (76 mm) stroke. The small-block's 4.4 in (111.8 mm) bore spacing would continue in use for decades. It was a pushrod cast-iron engine with hydraulic lifters and a 2-barrel or 4-barrel Rochester carburetor. The 1955 conventional passenger car version produced 162 hp (121 kW) with a 2-barrel carburetor, or could be upgraded at extra cost to a "Power Pack" version conservatively rated at 180 hp (134 kW) with a four-barrel Rochester and dual exhaust. The first production year of this engine had no provision for oil filtration built into the block; however, an add-on filter mounted on the thermostat housing was installed during production. Due to the lack of adequate oil filtration provisions, the '55 model year block is typically only desirable to period collectors.

The 1956 Corvette introduced three versions of this engine - 210 hp (157 kW), 225 hp (168 kW) with twin 4-barrel carbs, and 240 hp (179 kW) with a high-lift cam.

    * 1955, 1956 Chevrolet Corvette
    * 1955 Chevrolet, 165 hp (2-barrel) and 195 hp (4-barrel)

283

The 283 in³ (4.6 L) V8 was introduced in 1957. It was a version of the 265 in³ (4.3 L) with a larger bore at 3.87 in (98 mm). There were five different versions ranging from 185 hp (138 kW) to 283 hp (164 kW to 211 kW) depending on whether a single carb, twin carbs, or fuel injection was used. Power was up a bit each year for 1958, 1959, and 1960.

The 1957 engine featured Ramjet mechanical fuel injection, allowing the engine to produce 1 hp (1 kW) per cubic inch, an impressive feat at the time. For 1961, an amazing 315 hp (235 kW) was available from this unit.

    * 1957-1962 Chevrolet Corvette

302

Chevrolet produced a special 302 in³ (4.9 L) engine for Trans Am racing from 1967-1969. It was the product of placing the 3-inch stroke crankshaft from a 283 into a 4-inch bore 327 block. This engine was mostly used in the first-generation Camaro Z28. Just over 100 DZ block 302 engines were used in the, unique to South Africa, Chevrolet Firenza Can Am. Conservatively rated at 290 hp (216 kW), actual output was around 360 hp (268 kW). This block is one of 3 displacements that underwent a transformation for the 1968/1969 period when the main bearing size was increased from 2.30 in to 2.45 in.

307

A 307 in³ (5.0 L) version was produced from 1968 through 1973. Engine bore was 3.875 in (98.4 mm) with a 3.25 stroke.

The 307 replaced the 283 in Chevrolet cars and produced 200 hp (149 kW) SAE gross at 4600 rpm and 300 ft·lbf (410 N·m) of torque at 2400 rpm in the 1960s. The later emissions-modified versions produced just 115 hp (86 kW) SAE net, giving the engine one of the lowest power-per-displacement ratings of all time. Chevrolet never produced a high-performance version of this motor, though they did produce, for Outboard Marine Corporation, a high-performance marinized 307, rated at 235 and 245 hp (183 kW) SAE gross, depending on year, that shipped with the Corvette/Z-28's cast aluminum valve covers and Rochester QuadraJet carb. Chevy also built other versions of the OMC 307 rated at 210, 215 and 225 hp (168 kW) SAE gross.

One of the biggest myths about the 307 is that all the blocks were cast with a very low nickel content. However, some 307 blocks, such as casting number 3970020 with suffix VxxxxTHA (x's in place for date), had 010 and 020 stamped under the timing chain cover indicating high tin and nickel content.

327

The 327 in³ (5.4 L) V8, introduced in 1962, had a bore and stroke of 4 in (102 mm) by 3.25 in. Power ranged from 250 hp (186 kW) to 375 hp (186 kW to 280 kW) depending on the choice of carburetor or fuel injection, camshaft, cylinder heads and intake manifold. In 1962, the Duntov solid lifter cam versions produced 340 hp (254 kW), 344 ft·lbf (466 N·m) with single Carter 4-brl, and 360 hp (268 kW), 352 ft·lbf (477 N·m) with Rochester mechanical fuel injection. In 1964, horsepower increased to 365 for the now dubbed L76 version, and 375 for the fuel injected L84 respectively, making the L84 the most powerful naturally aspirated, single-cam, production small block V8 until the appearance of the 385 hp (287 kW), 385 ft·lbf (522 N·m) Generation III LS6 in 2001. * L76, L84 1963-1965; Chevrolet Corvette. This block is one of three displacements that under went a major change in 1968/1969 when the main bearing size was increased from 2.30 in to 2.45 in.

400

A 400 in³ small-block was introduced in 1970 and produced for 10 years. It had a 4.125 inch bore and a 3.75 inch stroke. Initial output was 265 hp (198 kW) and was only available equipped with a 2-barrel carburetor. In 1974 a 4-barrel version of the 400 was introduced,while the 2-barrel version stopped production in 1975. 1976 was the last year that the 400 was used in a Chevrolet Passenger car, available in both the A-Body and B-Body line. While popular with circle-track racers, the engine was prone to cooling troubles if cylinder heads without steam holes were used.

Later Small Blocks

This section documents the odd-size small blocks developed after the 350 appeared in 1969. Many of these basic blocks are variations of the 350 design.

262.

The 262 was a 4.3 L (262 in³) 90° pushrod V8 with an iron block and heads. Bore and stroke were 3.67 in (93 mm) by 3.10 in (78.7 mm). Power output for 1975 was 110 hp (82 kW) and 195 ft·lbf (264 N·m). The 262 was underpowered and was replaced by the 305 the following year.

This was Chevrolet's second 4.3L-displaced powerplant; two other Chevrolet engines displaced 4.3L: the Vortec 4300 (based on the Chevrolet 350, with two cylinders removed), and a derivative of the LT1 known as the L99 (using the 305's 3.736" bore, 5.94" connecting rods, and a 3 inch crankshaft stroke).

This engine was used in the following cars:

    * 1975-1976 Chevrolet Monza
    * 1975 Chevrolet Nova

267

The 267 was introduced in 1979 for GM F-Body(Camaro), G-bodies (Chevrolet Monte Carlo, El Camino, and Malibu Classic) and also used on GM B-body cars (Impala and Caprice models). The 267 had the 350's crankshaft stroke of 3.48" and the smallest bore of any small-block, 3.500 in. The 3.500" bore was also used on the 200 V6, which was introduced a year earlier. (The 200 was a Chevrolet V6 motor based on the small block with the #3 and #6 cylinders removed).

It was available with a Rochester Dualjet 210 - effectively, one half of a Rochester Quadrajet. After 1980, electronic feedback carburetion was used on the 267.

While similar in displacement to the other 4.3-4.4L V8 motors produced by General Motors (including the Oldsmobile 260 and Pontiac 265, the small bore 267 shared no parts with the other motors and was phased out after the 1982 model year due to inability to conform to emission standards. Chevrolet vehicles eventually used the 305 (their own 5.0L) coupled with a THM200-4R overdrive.

305

The 305 variant of the small-block Chevrolet had a displacement of 5.0 L (305 in³) with a 3.736 in (95 mm) bore and 3.48 in (88.4 mm) stroke. The 262 was considered underpowered for use in vehicles with a wheelbase greater than 110", so GM engineers decided to increase the bore diameter from 3.671" to 3.736" and increase the stroke from 3.10" to 3.48" (from the 350). Some performance enthusiasts have noted a marked resistance to performance upgrades on the 305 because of its small bore, poor selection of aftermarket cylinder heads, and the relatively high availability of 350 in³ engines.

Induction systems for the 305 included carburetors (both 2 and 4-barrel), throttle-body injection (TBI), tuned-port fuel injection (TPI), and sequential fuel injection (GM Vortec).

After 1996, its usage was limited to light trucks and SUVs as the Vortec 5000.
Year hp (kW) ft·lbf (N·m)
1976 140 250 w/2bbl.
1977 145 245 w/2bbl.
1978 140 240 w/2bbl.
1978 160 235 w/4bbl.
1979 125 235 w/2bbl.
1979 130 245 w/2bbl.
1979 155 225 w/4bbl.
1981 300 350 w/4bbl eddelbroc.

The 305 was used in the following cars:

    * 1976-1993 Chevrolet Caprice (includes Impala)
    * 1976-1979 Chevrolet Monza
    * 1976-1979 Chevrolet Nova (also GM X-body clones after 1976)
    * 1976-1992 Chevrolet Camaro
    * 1976-1988 Chevrolet Malibu, Chevrolet El Camino, and Chevrolet Monte Carlo
    * 1978-1992 Pontiac Firebird
    * 1978-1980 Oldsmobile Cutlass (US Market only, Canadian market after 1980)
    * 1991-1992 Oldsmobile Custom Cruiser
    * 1981-1987 Pontiac Grand Prix
    * 1975-1979 Buick Skylark
    * 1977-2003 Chevrolet/GMC Trucks, SUVs, Vans
    * 1991-1992 Cadillac Brougham

LG3

Years:1976-1980

Dualjet 2 bbl carb version with 8.5:1 compression.

LG4

Years: 1980-1987

The LG4 was the "low output" 305 in³/ 5.0L (compared to the L69). It produced 145–170 hp (110–127 kW) and 240–250 ft·lbf (325–340 N·m). The addition of a knock sensor for the engine management system in 1985 allowed an increase in compression and a more aggressive spark timing map in the ECM. As a result power increased for the 1985 models to 165 hp (123 kW) from the 150 hp (112 kW) rating in 1984.

L69

Years: 1983-1988

The L69 was the so-called High Output 305 in³/ 5.0L, featuring higher compression of 9.5:1 with heads of the to-be-discontinued LU5 Cross-Fire fuel injection engine, and utilizing camshaft and catalytic converter of the 350 in³/ 5.7L L83 which was used on the Corvette of 1982 and 1984. Complete with a 2.75 inch exhaust system, topped by a recalibrated 4-barrel and furthermore a knock sensor including more aggressive spark timing, this engine produced 190 hp (142 kW) @ 4800 and 240 ft·lbf (325 N·m) of torque @ 3200 rpm. In most cases, being mated to a 3.73 or 3:42 ratio limited slip rear axle and a Turbo 350 or 700R4, this engine provided its driver with a wide range of rpm to play in.

LE9

Years: 1981-1986

The LE9 305 was the truck/van version of the High Output 305. It also had flattop pistons for a 9.5:1 compression ratio, the "929" truck 350 camshaft for more torque, 14022601 casting heads featuring 1.84/1.50" valves and 53 cc chambers, a specially calibrated 4bbl Q-Jet, the weird hybrid centrifugal/vacuum advance distributor with ESC knock sensor setup, and lower restriction exhaust. The engine made 210 hp (157 kW) @ 4,600 and 250 lb·ft (339 N·m) @ 2,000 rpm.

L03

Years: 1987-95

The L03 was the "low output" 305 in³/ 5.0L (compared to the 305 TPI LB9). It produced 170 hp (127 kW) and 255 lb·ft (346 N·m) of torque (185 HP @ 4,400 / 275 TQ @ 2,400 in 1993-1995 GM trucks). The 305 dropped the Computer-controlled carburetor and received the fuel-injected TBI (throttle-body injection). The TBI unit consisted of two barrels, much like those of a two barrel carb, but instead of "jets", there was a fuel-injector placed above each barrel, resulting in a 2-barrel, 2-injector setup. The TBI uses a unique injector firing scheme, for every rotation of the engine, each injector fired twice.

TBI injection was used on trucks/vans through the 1995 model year, mainly because of its strong torque curve, allowing for heavy towing, hauling and taller axle gearing for fuel economy.

LB9

Years: 1985-1992

Introduced in 1985, the LB9 was the first Chevrolet small block to have tuned-port fuel injection (TPI). It was introduced with 215 hp (160 kW) and 275 ft·lbf (373 N·m) and varied between 190 and 230 hp (with 275 to 300 lb·ft (410 N·m) torque) over the years offered. It was an option on all 1985-1992 Chevrolet Camaro & Pontiac Firebird models.

350

The first generation of Chevrolet small-blocks began with the 1955 Chevrolet 265 in³ (4.3 L) V8. But it was the 350 in³ (5.7L) series that set the standard for high performance. The engine's physical dimensions (oversquare 4.00 in bore and 3.48 in stroke, 102 mm by 88 mm) are nearly identical to the 400 hp (300 kW) LS2 engine of today, but of course much has changed. It is by far the most widely used Chevrolet small-block; it has been installed in everything from station wagons to sports cars, in commercial vehicles, and even in boats and (in highly modified form) airplanes.

A 350 is usually common with engine swaps - much of the older, pre-1968 Chevrolet V8s were usually swapped with a later 350 when engine replacement was the norm. It has been known to swap a 350 in place of a different small block since all small blocks are the same on the outside (the external dimensions of a Chevrolet small block are the same).

First usage of the 350 was in the 1967 Chevrolet Camaro and 1968 Nova producing 295 horsepower (gross); other Chevrolet vehicle lines followed suit in the year 1969.

The GM Goodwrench 350 crate motor comes in several variations. The lowest priced uses the pre-1986 four-bolt casting molds with two dipstick locations; pre-1980 on the driver's side and post-1980 on the passenger's side. This motor was produced in Mexico since 1981 as the Targetmaster 350, and now the GM Goodwrench 350.

Note that Buick, Oldsmobile, and Pontiac all produced three entirely different 350 in³ V8 engines that shared nothing in common other than displacement. The Buick 350 had a 3.80 in bore and a 3.85 in stroke (96.52 mm by 97.91 mm), the Oldsmobile 350 had a 4.057 in bore and 3.39 in stroke (103 mm by 86 mm), and the Pontiac 350 had a 3.876 in bore and a 3.75 in stroke (98.5 mm by 89.66 mm).

ZQ3

Years: 1969, 1970, 1972-1975

The ZQ3 was the standard engine in the 1969-1970 Chevrolet Corvette. It was a 300 hp (224 kW) version of the 350 in³ (5.7 L) small-block, with 10.25:1 compression and hydraulic lifters. It used a Rochester "4MV" Quadra-Jet 4-barrel carburetor. This was the first block produced that featured the larger 2.45 inch main bearing versus the older 2.30 inch main bearing in 1968/1969.

The 1969 ZQ3 produced 200 hp (150 kW) and 300 ft·lbf (407 N·m) with 8.5:1 compression, dropping another 10 hp (7.5 kW) in 1973. 1975 saw the ZQ3 at 165 hp (123 kW) and 255 ft·lbf (346 N·m).

L46

Years: 1969, 1970

The L46 was an optional engine on the 1969-1970 Chevrolet Corvette. It was a 350 hp (261 kW), 380 ft·lbf (515 N·m) version of the ZQ3 with higher 11:1 compression.

LT-1
LT-1 from a 1970 Chevrolet Camaro Z28
LT-1 from a 1970 Chevrolet Camaro Z28

Years: 1970-1972

The LT-1 was the ultimate 350 V8, becoming available in 1970. It used solid lifters, 11:1 compression, a high-performance camshaft, and a Holley four-barrel carburetor on a special aluminum intake to produce 370 hp (276 kW) and 380 ft·lbf (515 N·m). It was available on the Corvette and Camaro Z28. Power was down in 1971 to 330 hp (246 kW) and 360 ft·lbf (477 N·m) with 9:1 compression, and again in 1972 (the last year of the LT-1) to 255 hp (190 kW) and 280 ft·lbf (380 N·m).

Note that there was a later small-block engine called the "LT1".

L48

Years: 1967-1980

The L-48 is the original 350, available only in the Camaro or Chevy II/Nova in '67 & '68. In '69 it was used in almost everything; Camaros, Corvettes, Impalas, Chevelles & Novas. From '75-'80 it was available only in the Corvette. L-48's use a Hyd Cam, 4bbl Qjet, Cast pistons, 2 bolt main caps, "Pink" Rods, #0014 Blocks & #993 heads. Power output ranges from 300HP(gross) down to 175HP(net).

The L48 was the standard engine in the 1971 Chevrolet Corvette. It produced 270 hp (201 kW) and 360 ft·lbf (477 N·m) with an 8.5:1 compression ratio.

The 1976-1979 L48 was the standard Corvette engine and produced 180 hp (134 kW) and 270 ft·lbf (366 N·m). The 1980 L48 stood at 190 hp (142 kW) and 280 ft·lbf (380 N·m) from 8.2:1 compression.

In 1973 the "L-48" had cold air induction (throttle activated) and developed 190 hp (net). Beginning in 1974 the hp was reduced for several years until it reached a low of 165 (net) in 1975, before rising again.

L82

Years: 1973-1980

The 1973-1974 L82 was a "performance" version of the 350 producing 250 hp (186 kW) and 285 ft·lbf (386 N·m) from 9:1 compression. It was down to 205 hp (153 kW) and 255 ft·lbf (346 N·m) for 1975. It was the optional engine again in 1976-1977, producing 5 hp (4 kW) more. The 1978 L82 recovered somewhat, producing 220 hp (164 kW) and 260 ft·lbf (353 N·m), and 5 hp (4 kW) and 10 ft·lbf (14 N·m) more for 1979. 1980 saw another 10 hp (7.5 kW) and 15 ft·lbf (20 N·m).

L81

Years: 1981

The L81 was the only 350 Corvette engine for 1981. It produced 190 hp (142 kW) and 280 ft·lbf (380 N·m) from 8.2:1 compression, exactly the same as the 1980 L48, but added computer control spark advance, replacing the vacuum advance. The L81 is the exact same as any ordinary 350 5.7L ci gm motor.

L83

Years: 1982, 1984

The 1982 L83 was again the only Corvette engine (and only available with an automatic transmission) producing 200 hp (150 kW) and 285 ft·lbf (386 N·m) from 9:1 compression. This was again the only engine on the new 1984 Vette, at 205 hp (153 kW) and 290 ft·lbf (393 N·m). The L83 added Cross-Fire fuel injection (twin throttle-body fuel injection).

[L98

    For the new Generation IV V8, see GM L98.

Years: 1985-1992

The new 1985 L98 added tuned-port fuel injection "TPI", which produced 230 hp (172 kW) and 330 ft·lbf (447 N·m). It was standard on all 1985-1991 Corvettes (rated at 230-250 hp and 330-350ft·lbf torque). Optional on 87-92 Chevrolet Camaro & Pontiac Firebird models (rated at 225-245 hp and 330-345ft·lbf torque) 1987 versions had 10 hp (7.5 kW) and 15 ft·lbf (20 N·m) more thanks to 9.5:1 compression. Compression was up again in 1991 to 10:1 but output stayed the same.

LM1

The LM1 is the base 350 with a 4-barrel carburetor (usually with a Rochester Quadrajet) in passenger cars until 1988. Throughout its lifespan, it received either a points, electronic, and/or computer-controlled spark system, to conventional and feedback carburetors.

LM1s were superseded with the LO5 powerplant after 1988.

L05

The L05 was introduced in 1987 for use in Chevrolet/GMC trucks in both the GMT400 (introduced in April 1987 as 1988 models) and the R/V series trucks such as the K5 Blazer, Suburban, and rounded-era pickups formerly classed as the C/K until 1996 which includes chassis cabs and 4-door crew cabs. Although usage was for trucks, vans, and 9C1-optioned Caprices, the L05 was also used with the following vehicles:

    * 1992/1993 Buick Roadmaster sedan and station wagon
    * 1991/1992 Cadillac Brougham (optional engine)
    * 1993 Cadillac Fleetwood
    * 1992/1993 Chevrolet Caprice Wagon (optional engine)
    * 1993 Chevrolet Caprice LTZ
    * 1992 Oldsmobile Custom Cruiser Wagon (optional engine)

L05 usage was replaced by the GM LT1 after 1993 in GM B-Bodies until production ceased in 1996.

In mid 1996 the L05 was equipped with Vortec heads used in the 1996 G30.

L31

The L31 replaced the LO5 in 1996 - known as the Vortec 5700. Known as the GEN 1+, this was the final incarnation of the 1955-vintage small block, ending production in 2005 with the last vehicle being a Kodiak/Topkick HD truck. Volvo Penta and Mercury Marine still produces the L31 to this day. The "MARINE" intake is a potential upgrade for L31 trucks.

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Written By: Badfinger-fan on 05/22/08 at 1:41 am


A BRIEF HISTORY OF THE CHEVROLET SMALL BLOCK V-8.


Chevrolet's small-block V8 is a famous automobile engine. Nicknamed "mouse motor" (opposed to the big block engines, nicknamed "rat") for its compact dimensions compared to other V8 engines of the time, production began in 1955 with the 265 engine. By 1957 it had grown to 283 cubic inches, and with the optional Rochester mechanical fuel injection, it became the first production engine ever to make one horsepower per cubic inch. This engine was used to power the Corvette, and the Bel Air at that time. It would later be extended to other vehicles as well, and replace the old style 265 V8s. The displacement changed over the years, eventually reaching 400 in³ (6.6 L), but none caught on like the 350 in³ (5.7 L) small-block. This engine is still in production today at General Motors Toluca, Mexico plant (primarily for the GM over-the-counter Goodwrench powerplants), but is no longer offered in current model year vehicles since the year 2004. Its production numbers were impressive, with more than 90,000,000 built. It has been produced in carburated, mechanical fuel injection, and electronic fuel injection forms.

From 1955-74, the small-block engine was known as the "Turbo-Fire V8".

Although Buick, Cadillac, Oldsmobile, and Pontiac also designed V8 engines (see list of GM engines), it was Chevrolet's 350 in³ small-block that became the GM corporate standard. Over the years, every American General Motors division except Saturn used the Chevrolet small-block, and its descendants (see GM LT engine and GM LS engine) continue as the company's mainstream V8 design today.

The small-block was on the Ward's 10 Best Engines of the 20th Century list.

Major Versions

Generation 1

The original design of the small block remained remarkably unchanged for its production run, which began in 1955 and ended, in passenger vehicles, in 2003. The engine is still being built today for many aftermarket applications, both to replace worn-out older engines and also by many builders as high-performance applications. There were, however many minor changes made to the engine over the years; these changes are listed below.

    * 1955 - The first year of introduction in 265 cubic inches only. As was fairly common for the time, no provision for an oil filter was included in the engine design.
    * 1956 - Oil filtration was introduced, using a sock style filter in a canister.
    * 1962 - The block's cylinder wall casting was revised to allow four inch bores. Previously, only certain years of the 283 engine (1958-1962) could be bored safely to four inches.
    * 1968 - The main journal diameter was increased to 2.45 in from 2.30 in and the connecting rod journal diameter was increased to 2.10 in from 2.00 in. Additionally, the canister/sock style oil filter was now converted to use spin on filters. The oil fill location was moved from a tube on the front of the intake manifold to a cap on either side valve cover.
    * 1987 - The troublesome leaky valve cover surfaces were changed such that cylinder head mounting lip was raised and the bolt location was moved from 4 bolts on the perimeter, to 4 bolts down the centerline of the valve cover (this design debuted on the Corvette in 1985, and Chevrolet 4.3L the year before). The troublesome rear main seal was changed from a 2-piece rubber design to a 1-piece rubber design that used a mounting appliance to hold it in place. This necessitated a change in the flywheel/flexplate bolt pattern as well. Also changed were the mounting angles of the center 2 bolts on each side of the intake manifold (from 90 degrees to 73 degrees) and the lifter bosses were increased in height to accept roller lifters. The alloy heads for use in the Corvette still retain the non-angled bolts (center 2 bolts attaching to the intake).
    * 1996 - This was the last change for the Generation I engine, and continued through the end of the production run in 2003; all 1997-2003 Generation I engines were Vortec truck engines. The cylinder heads were redesigned using improved ports and combustion chambers similar to those in the Generation II LT1. This change resulted in significant power increases.

SB2 and SB2.2

(Small Block/second generation) This engine was produced from 1996 to the present for racing applications only. The cylinder heads were redesigned and the lifter bores were offset. The valve sequence for each head was changed from the traditional E-I-I-E-E-I-I-E to a new I-E-I-E-E-I-E-I and because of this the camshaft was redesigned.

Generation II
LT1 from a 1993 Chevrolet Camaro Z28
LT1 from a 1993 Chevrolet Camaro Z28

See the GM LT engine page for more information on the Generation II small-block V8s, which differ mainly in their reverse-flow cooling system.

Generation III / IV
LS1 from a 1998 Chevrolet Camaro Z28
LS1 from a 1998 Chevrolet Camaro Z28

See the GM LS engine page for more information on the current family of General Motors small-block V8s.

Early Small Blocks

Most current GM small-block V8s (the LT and LS series) trace their lineage to the 1955 265 in³ V8 developed for the Corvette. Displacement and power eventually reached 327 in³ and 12 hp (in prototypes) before the Corvette switched to Chevrolet big-block power. But the small-block lived on, settling in at 350 in³ for decades of performance.

265

The 265 in³ (4.3 L) V8 was the first Chevrolet small block. Designed by Ed Cole's group at Chevrolet, it filled the power gap in the 1955 Corvette lineup, producing an impressive 250 hp (145 kW). The little engine went from drawings to production in just 15 weeks. Besides its compact dimensions, the small-block was known for its novel green-sand foundry construction process.

Dimensions were oversquare - 3.75 in (95 mm) bore and 3 in (76 mm) stroke. The small-block's 4.4 in (111.8 mm) bore spacing would continue in use for decades. It was a pushrod cast-iron engine with hydraulic lifters and a 2-barrel or 4-barrel Rochester carburetor. The 1955 conventional passenger car version produced 162 hp (121 kW) with a 2-barrel carburetor, or could be upgraded at extra cost to a "Power Pack" version conservatively rated at 180 hp (134 kW) with a four-barrel Rochester and dual exhaust. The first production year of this engine had no provision for oil filtration built into the block; however, an add-on filter mounted on the thermostat housing was installed during production. Due to the lack of adequate oil filtration provisions, the '55 model year block is typically only desirable to period collectors.

The 1956 Corvette introduced three versions of this engine - 210 hp (157 kW), 225 hp (168 kW) with twin 4-barrel carbs, and 240 hp (179 kW) with a high-lift cam.

    * 1955, 1956 Chevrolet Corvette
    * 1955 Chevrolet, 165 hp (2-barrel) and 195 hp (4-barrel)

283

The 283 in³ (4.6 L) V8 was introduced in 1957. It was a version of the 265 in³ (4.3 L) with a larger bore at 3.87 in (98 mm). There were five different versions ranging from 185 hp (138 kW) to 283 hp (164 kW to 211 kW) depending on whether a single carb, twin carbs, or fuel injection was used. Power was up a bit each year for 1958, 1959, and 1960.

The 1957 engine featured Ramjet mechanical fuel injection, allowing the engine to produce 1 hp (1 kW) per cubic inch, an impressive feat at the time. For 1961, an amazing 315 hp (235 kW) was available from this unit.

    * 1957-1962 Chevrolet Corvette

302

Chevrolet produced a special 302 in³ (4.9 L) engine for Trans Am racing from 1967-1969. It was the product of placing the 3-inch stroke crankshaft from a 283 into a 4-inch bore 327 block. This engine was mostly used in the first-generation Camaro Z28. Just over 100 DZ block 302 engines were used in the, unique to South Africa, Chevrolet Firenza Can Am. Conservatively rated at 290 hp (216 kW), actual output was around 360 hp (268 kW). This block is one of 3 displacements that underwent a transformation for the 1968/1969 period when the main bearing size was increased from 2.30 in to 2.45 in.

307

A 307 in³ (5.0 L) version was produced from 1968 through 1973. Engine bore was 3.875 in (98.4 mm) with a 3.25 stroke.

The 307 replaced the 283 in Chevrolet cars and produced 200 hp (149 kW) SAE gross at 4600 rpm and 300 ft·lbf (410 N·m) of torque at 2400 rpm in the 1960s. The later emissions-modified versions produced just 115 hp (86 kW) SAE net, giving the engine one of the lowest power-per-displacement ratings of all time. Chevrolet never produced a high-performance version of this motor, though they did produce, for Outboard Marine Corporation, a high-performance marinized 307, rated at 235 and 245 hp (183 kW) SAE gross, depending on year, that shipped with the Corvette/Z-28's cast aluminum valve covers and Rochester QuadraJet carb. Chevy also built other versions of the OMC 307 rated at 210, 215 and 225 hp (168 kW) SAE gross.

One of the biggest myths about the 307 is that all the blocks were cast with a very low nickel content. However, some 307 blocks, such as casting number 3970020 with suffix VxxxxTHA (x's in place for date), had 010 and 020 stamped under the timing chain cover indicating high tin and nickel content.

327

The 327 in³ (5.4 L) V8, introduced in 1962, had a bore and stroke of 4 in (102 mm) by 3.25 in. Power ranged from 250 hp (186 kW) to 375 hp (186 kW to 280 kW) depending on the choice of carburetor or fuel injection, camshaft, cylinder heads and intake manifold. In 1962, the Duntov solid lifter cam versions produced 340 hp (254 kW), 344 ft·lbf (466 N·m) with single Carter 4-brl, and 360 hp (268 kW), 352 ft·lbf (477 N·m) with Rochester mechanical fuel injection. In 1964, horsepower increased to 365 for the now dubbed L76 version, and 375 for the fuel injected L84 respectively, making the L84 the most powerful naturally aspirated, single-cam, production small block V8 until the appearance of the 385 hp (287 kW), 385 ft·lbf (522 N·m) Generation III LS6 in 2001. * L76, L84 1963-1965; Chevrolet Corvette. This block is one of three displacements that under went a major change in 1968/1969 when the main bearing size was increased from 2.30 in to 2.45 in.

400

A 400 in³ small-block was introduced in 1970 and produced for 10 years. It had a 4.125 inch bore and a 3.75 inch stroke. Initial output was 265 hp (198 kW) and was only available equipped with a 2-barrel carburetor. In 1974 a 4-barrel version of the 400 was introduced,while the 2-barrel version stopped production in 1975. 1976 was the last year that the 400 was used in a Chevrolet Passenger car, available in both the A-Body and B-Body line. While popular with circle-track racers, the engine was prone to cooling troubles if cylinder heads without steam holes were used.

Later Small Blocks

This section documents the odd-size small blocks developed after the 350 appeared in 1969. Many of these basic blocks are variations of the 350 design.

262.

The 262 was a 4.3 L (262 in³) 90° pushrod V8 with an iron block and heads. Bore and stroke were 3.67 in (93 mm) by 3.10 in (78.7 mm). Power output for 1975 was 110 hp (82 kW) and 195 ft·lbf (264 N·m). The 262 was underpowered and was replaced by the 305 the following year.

This was Chevrolet's second 4.3L-displaced powerplant; two other Chevrolet engines displaced 4.3L: the Vortec 4300 (based on the Chevrolet 350, with two cylinders removed), and a derivative of the LT1 known as the L99 (using the 305's 3.736" bore, 5.94" connecting rods, and a 3 inch crankshaft stroke).

This engine was used in the following cars:

    * 1975-1976 Chevrolet Monza
    * 1975 Chevrolet Nova

267

The 267 was introduced in 1979 for GM F-Body(Camaro), G-bodies (Chevrolet Monte Carlo, El Camino, and Malibu Classic) and also used on GM B-body cars (Impala and Caprice models). The 267 had the 350's crankshaft stroke of 3.48" and the smallest bore of any small-block, 3.500 in. The 3.500" bore was also used on the 200 V6, which was introduced a year earlier. (The 200 was a Chevrolet V6 motor based on the small block with the #3 and #6 cylinders removed).

It was available with a Rochester Dualjet 210 - effectively, one half of a Rochester Quadrajet. After 1980, electronic feedback carburetion was used on the 267.

While similar in displacement to the other 4.3-4.4L V8 motors produced by General Motors (including the Oldsmobile 260 and Pontiac 265, the small bore 267 shared no parts with the other motors and was phased out after the 1982 model year due to inability to conform to emission standards. Chevrolet vehicles eventually used the 305 (their own 5.0L) coupled with a THM200-4R overdrive.

305

The 305 variant of the small-block Chevrolet had a displacement of 5.0 L (305 in³) with a 3.736 in (95 mm) bore and 3.48 in (88.4 mm) stroke. The 262 was considered underpowered for use in vehicles with a wheelbase greater than 110", so GM engineers decided to increase the bore diameter from 3.671" to 3.736" and increase the stroke from 3.10" to 3.48" (from the 350). Some performance enthusiasts have noted a marked resistance to performance upgrades on the 305 because of its small bore, poor selection of aftermarket cylinder heads, and the relatively high availability of 350 in³ engines.

Induction systems for the 305 included carburetors (both 2 and 4-barrel), throttle-body injection (TBI), tuned-port fuel injection (TPI), and sequential fuel injection (GM Vortec).

After 1996, its usage was limited to light trucks and SUVs as the Vortec 5000.
Year hp (kW) ft·lbf (N·m)
1976 140 250 w/2bbl.
1977 145 245 w/2bbl.
1978 140 240 w/2bbl.
1978 160 235 w/4bbl.
1979 125 235 w/2bbl.
1979 130 245 w/2bbl.
1979 155 225 w/4bbl.
1981 300 350 w/4bbl eddelbroc.

The 305 was used in the following cars:

    * 1976-1993 Chevrolet Caprice (includes Impala)
    * 1976-1979 Chevrolet Monza
    * 1976-1979 Chevrolet Nova (also GM X-body clones after 1976)
    * 1976-1992 Chevrolet Camaro
    * 1976-1988 Chevrolet Malibu, Chevrolet El Camino, and Chevrolet Monte Carlo
    * 1978-1992 Pontiac Firebird
    * 1978-1980 Oldsmobile Cutlass (US Market only, Canadian market after 1980)
    * 1991-1992 Oldsmobile Custom Cruiser
    * 1981-1987 Pontiac Grand Prix
    * 1975-1979 Buick Skylark
    * 1977-2003 Chevrolet/GMC Trucks, SUVs, Vans
    * 1991-1992 Cadillac Brougham

LG3

Years:1976-1980

Dualjet 2 bbl carb version with 8.5:1 compression.

LG4

Years: 1980-1987

The LG4 was the "low output" 305 in³/ 5.0L (compared to the L69). It produced 145–170 hp (110–127 kW) and 240–250 ft·lbf (325–340 N·m). The addition of a knock sensor for the engine management system in 1985 allowed an increase in compression and a more aggressive spark timing map in the ECM. As a result power increased for the 1985 models to 165 hp (123 kW) from the 150 hp (112 kW) rating in 1984.

L69

Years: 1983-1988

The L69 was the so-called High Output 305 in³/ 5.0L, featuring higher compression of 9.5:1 with heads of the to-be-discontinued LU5 Cross-Fire fuel injection engine, and utilizing camshaft and catalytic converter of the 350 in³/ 5.7L L83 which was used on the Corvette of 1982 and 1984. Complete with a 2.75 inch exhaust system, topped by a recalibrated 4-barrel and furthermore a knock sensor including more aggressive spark timing, this engine produced 190 hp (142 kW) @ 4800 and 240 ft·lbf (325 N·m) of torque @ 3200 rpm. In most cases, being mated to a 3.73 or 3:42 ratio limited slip rear axle and a Turbo 350 or 700R4, this engine provided its driver with a wide range of rpm to play in.

LE9

Years: 1981-1986

The LE9 305 was the truck/van version of the High Output 305. It also had flattop pistons for a 9.5:1 compression ratio, the "929" truck 350 camshaft for more torque, 14022601 casting heads featuring 1.84/1.50" valves and 53 cc chambers, a specially calibrated 4bbl Q-Jet, the weird hybrid centrifugal/vacuum advance distributor with ESC knock sensor setup, and lower restriction exhaust. The engine made 210 hp (157 kW) @ 4,600 and 250 lb·ft (339 N·m) @ 2,000 rpm.

L03

Years: 1987-95

The L03 was the "low output" 305 in³/ 5.0L (compared to the 305 TPI LB9). It produced 170 hp (127 kW) and 255 lb·ft (346 N·m) of torque (185 HP @ 4,400 / 275 TQ @ 2,400 in 1993-1995 GM trucks). The 305 dropped the Computer-controlled carburetor and received the fuel-injected TBI (throttle-body injection). The TBI unit consisted of two barrels, much like those of a two barrel carb, but instead of "jets", there was a fuel-injector placed above each barrel, resulting in a 2-barrel, 2-injector setup. The TBI uses a unique injector firing scheme, for every rotation of the engine, each injector fired twice.

TBI injection was used on trucks/vans through the 1995 model year, mainly because of its strong torque curve, allowing for heavy towing, hauling and taller axle gearing for fuel economy.

LB9

Years: 1985-1992

Introduced in 1985, the LB9 was the first Chevrolet small block to have tuned-port fuel injection (TPI). It was introduced with 215 hp (160 kW) and 275 ft·lbf (373 N·m) and varied between 190 and 230 hp (with 275 to 300 lb·ft (410 N·m) torque) over the years offered. It was an option on all 1985-1992 Chevrolet Camaro & Pontiac Firebird models.

350

The first generation of Chevrolet small-blocks began with the 1955 Chevrolet 265 in³ (4.3 L) V8. But it was the 350 in³ (5.7L) series that set the standard for high performance. The engine's physical dimensions (oversquare 4.00 in bore and 3.48 in stroke, 102 mm by 88 mm) are nearly identical to the 400 hp (300 kW) LS2 engine of today, but of course much has changed. It is by far the most widely used Chevrolet small-block; it has been installed in everything from station wagons to sports cars, in commercial vehicles, and even in boats and (in highly modified form) airplanes.

A 350 is usually common with engine swaps - much of the older, pre-1968 Chevrolet V8s were usually swapped with a later 350 when engine replacement was the norm. It has been known to swap a 350 in place of a different small block since all small blocks are the same on the outside (the external dimensions of a Chevrolet small block are the same).

First usage of the 350 was in the 1967 Chevrolet Camaro and 1968 Nova producing 295 horsepower (gross); other Chevrolet vehicle lines followed suit in the year 1969.

The GM Goodwrench 350 crate motor comes in several variations. The lowest priced uses the pre-1986 four-bolt casting molds with two dipstick locations; pre-1980 on the driver's side and post-1980 on the passenger's side. This motor was produced in Mexico since 1981 as the Targetmaster 350, and now the GM Goodwrench 350.

Note that Buick, Oldsmobile, and Pontiac all produced three entirely different 350 in³ V8 engines that shared nothing in common other than displacement. The Buick 350 had a 3.80 in bore and a 3.85 in stroke (96.52 mm by 97.91 mm), the Oldsmobile 350 had a 4.057 in bore and 3.39 in stroke (103 mm by 86 mm), and the Pontiac 350 had a 3.876 in bore and a 3.75 in stroke (98.5 mm by 89.66 mm).

ZQ3

Years: 1969, 1970, 1972-1975

The ZQ3 was the standard engine in the 1969-1970 Chevrolet Corvette. It was a 300 hp (224 kW) version of the 350 in³ (5.7 L) small-block, with 10.25:1 compression and hydraulic lifters. It used a Rochester "4MV" Quadra-Jet 4-barrel carburetor. This was the first block produced that featured the larger 2.45 inch main bearing versus the older 2.30 inch main bearing in 1968/1969.

The 1969 ZQ3 produced 200 hp (150 kW) and 300 ft·lbf (407 N·m) with 8.5:1 compression, dropping another 10 hp (7.5 kW) in 1973. 1975 saw the ZQ3 at 165 hp (123 kW) and 255 ft·lbf (346 N·m).

L46

Years: 1969, 1970

The L46 was an optional engine on the 1969-1970 Chevrolet Corvette. It was a 350 hp (261 kW), 380 ft·lbf (515 N·m) version of the ZQ3 with higher 11:1 compression.

LT-1
LT-1 from a 1970 Chevrolet Camaro Z28
LT-1 from a 1970 Chevrolet Camaro Z28

Years: 1970-1972

The LT-1 was the ultimate 350 V8, becoming available in 1970. It used solid lifters, 11:1 compression, a high-performance camshaft, and a Holley four-barrel carburetor on a special aluminum intake to produce 370 hp (276 kW) and 380 ft·lbf (515 N·m). It was available on the Corvette and Camaro Z28. Power was down in 1971 to 330 hp (246 kW) and 360 ft·lbf (477 N·m) with 9:1 compression, and again in 1972 (the last year of the LT-1) to 255 hp (190 kW) and 280 ft·lbf (380 N·m).

Note that there was a later small-block engine called the "LT1".

L48

Years: 1967-1980

The L-48 is the original 350, available only in the Camaro or Chevy II/Nova in '67 & '68. In '69 it was used in almost everything; Camaros, Corvettes, Impalas, Chevelles & Novas. From '75-'80 it was available only in the Corvette. L-48's use a Hyd Cam, 4bbl Qjet, Cast pistons, 2 bolt main caps, "Pink" Rods, #0014 Blocks & #993 heads. Power output ranges from 300HP(gross) down to 175HP(net).

The L48 was the standard engine in the 1971 Chevrolet Corvette. It produced 270 hp (201 kW) and 360 ft·lbf (477 N·m) with an 8.5:1 compression ratio.

The 1976-1979 L48 was the standard Corvette engine and produced 180 hp (134 kW) and 270 ft·lbf (366 N·m). The 1980 L48 stood at 190 hp (142 kW) and 280 ft·lbf (380 N·m) from 8.2:1 compression.

In 1973 the "L-48" had cold air induction (throttle activated) and developed 190 hp (net). Beginning in 1974 the hp was reduced for several years until it reached a low of 165 (net) in 1975, before rising again.

L82

Years: 1973-1980

The 1973-1974 L82 was a "performance" version of the 350 producing 250 hp (186 kW) and 285 ft·lbf (386 N·m) from 9:1 compression. It was down to 205 hp (153 kW) and 255 ft·lbf (346 N·m) for 1975. It was the optional engine again in 1976-1977, producing 5 hp (4 kW) more. The 1978 L82 recovered somewhat, producing 220 hp (164 kW) and 260 ft·lbf (353 N·m), and 5 hp (4 kW) and 10 ft·lbf (14 N·m) more for 1979. 1980 saw another 10 hp (7.5 kW) and 15 ft·lbf (20 N·m).

L81

Years: 1981

The L81 was the only 350 Corvette engine for 1981. It produced 190 hp (142 kW) and 280 ft·lbf (380 N·m) from 8.2:1 compression, exactly the same as the 1980 L48, but added computer control spark advance, replacing the vacuum advance. The L81 is the exact same as any ordinary 350 5.7L ci gm motor.

L83

Years: 1982, 1984

The 1982 L83 was again the only Corvette engine (and only available with an automatic transmission) producing 200 hp (150 kW) and 285 ft·lbf (386 N·m) from 9:1 compression. This was again the only engine on the new 1984 Vette, at 205 hp (153 kW) and 290 ft·lbf (393 N·m). The L83 added Cross-Fire fuel injection (twin throttle-body fuel injection).

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Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: Foo Bar on 05/22/08 at 2:06 am


A BRIEF HISTORY OF THE CHEVROLET SMALL BLOCK V-8.


Speaking of which. 

I've seen this gag in both affair and transvestite versions, featuring "Sheila" and "Walter". 

It appears to have really taken off in October/November 2007.  The earliest reference I could find was on June 22, 2007 and May 26, 2007 (and was the affair variant of the joke, between "Confused" and "Bob"). 

According to Snopes, it appeared in the British humor magazine Viz, but the links to the June/May variations I've leaked show that the "affair" version of the joke predates the Viz publication.  On the flip side, "eleven months ago" (as of this posting, that is to say, in June 2007, this Reddit reference, which is the source of the November appearance on Snopes, has the transvestite version of the joke, and it's in Viz, and it's from "Mrs. B" to "Miriam".)

Because part of the fun of being male is that everything -- even the history of a meta-joke about women, relationships, and automobiles -- is seen as a problem to be solved, rather than a feeling with which to be empathized.

And for future memetic archaeologists, you're darn right this thread is part of the metajoke about why men don't write advice columns / why men don't write advice for the lovelorn columns.  I'd still love to know if the Viz article was the original version, when it was published, and if/why the "affair" version of the joke (that goes back as far as May '07) still seems to precede it...

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: AL-B Mk. III on 05/22/08 at 2:15 am


ah yes, the Chevrolet small-block V8, one never seems to get tired of this  ;D thanks once again Al-B for this perfectly interjected tidbit of info  http://www.inthe00s.com/smile/07/pfiade.gif


Glad I could be of assistance. 

Should "Debbie" ever return, I would be more than happy to share with you all some information about the Chrysler Slant-6.  ;)

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: Debbie on 05/22/08 at 7:27 am

Something else I just thought of....while it is a sin and dehumaniing to hate, or even dislike, women...hating men is perfectly acceptable.

And also, if something is insulting, or offensive, to women, like "Sex & the City", it becomes an issue, but if something is offensive to men, like sat "Two and a Half Men", no one cares.

And, to answer an earlier poster, when a woman has self-esteem, she is EMPOWERED...but when a man has self-esteem, he is an arrogant, mysogynist, cheavunistic bastard!!

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: ladybug316 on 05/22/08 at 9:45 am

So Al, about that Slant 6....

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: Green Lantern on 05/22/08 at 10:29 am



Women look hot in men's suits...men look stupid in dresses!

Need I say more?!?!?! ;)





Women may be better than men but definitely NOT because of the reasons you mention, which are shallow.

Oh, and some men can sport dresses fabulously...  :P







You tell her, Mister Sister!  ;D



'Mister Mr' .... did someone call ?    ???



Oh, 'Mister Sister' ..... as in 'Midnite' !    ???    :-http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/954/dressdr9.jpg
'Scrub up reasonably well !'    ::)    8)    :P














:D

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: Reynolds1863 on 05/22/08 at 10:39 am

My male chauvinist alter ego's self-esteem has been shattered by a harpy bitch who needs her butt kicked.

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Party on guys, no guilt trip needed.  Some women can't handle their jealousy.

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: Reynolds1863 on 05/22/08 at 10:41 am








'Mister Mr' .... did someone call ?    ???



Oh, 'Mister Sister' ..... as in 'Midnite' !    ???    :-http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/954/dressdr9.jpg
'Scrub up reasonably well !'    ::)    8)    :P














:D


That's dress is so pretty on you.  Can I borrow it some time?  :)

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Written By: wildcard on 05/22/08 at 10:53 am



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'Scrub up reasonably well !'    ::)    8)    :P

:D


It's  you

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: Jessica on 05/22/08 at 10:57 am


A BRIEF HISTORY OF THE CHEVROLET SMALL-BLOCK V-8.


Chevrolet's small-block V8 is a famous automobile engine. Nicknamed "mouse motor" (opposed to the big block engines, nicknamed "rat") for its compact dimensions compared to other V8 engines of the time, production began in 1955 with the 265 engine. By 1957 it had grown to 283 cubic inches, and with the optional Rochester mechanical fuel injection, it became the first production engine ever to make one horsepower per cubic inch. This engine was used to power the Corvette, and the Bel Air at that time. It would later be extended to other vehicles as well, and replace the old style 265 V8s. The displacement changed over the years, eventually reaching 400 in³ (6.6 L), but none caught on like the 350 in³ (5.7 L) small-block. This engine is still in production today at General Motors Toluca, Mexico plant (primarily for the GM over-the-counter Goodwrench powerplants), but is no longer offered in current model year vehicles since the year 2004. Its production numbers were impressive, with more than 90,000,000 built. It has been produced in carburated, mechanical fuel injection, and electronic fuel injection forms.

From 1955-74, the small-block engine was known as the "Turbo-Fire V8".

Although Buick, Cadillac, Oldsmobile, and Pontiac also designed V8 engines (see list of GM engines), it was Chevrolet's 350 in³ small-block that became the GM corporate standard. Over the years, every American General Motors division except Saturn used the Chevrolet small-block, and its descendants (see GM LT engine and GM LS engine) continue as the company's mainstream V8 design today.

The small-block was on the Ward's 10 Best Engines of the 20th Century list.

Major Versions

Generation 1

The original design of the small block remained remarkably unchanged for its production run, which began in 1955 and ended, in passenger vehicles, in 2003. The engine is still being built today for many aftermarket applications, both to replace worn-out older engines and also by many builders as high-performance applications. There were, however many minor changes made to the engine over the years; these changes are listed below.

    * 1955 - The first year of introduction in 265 cubic inches only. As was fairly common for the time, no provision for an oil filter was included in the engine design.
    * 1956 - Oil filtration was introduced, using a sock style filter in a canister.
    * 1962 - The block's cylinder wall casting was revised to allow four inch bores. Previously, only certain years of the 283 engine (1958-1962) could be bored safely to four inches.
    * 1968 - The main journal diameter was increased to 2.45 in from 2.30 in and the connecting rod journal diameter was increased to 2.10 in from 2.00 in. Additionally, the canister/sock style oil filter was now converted to use spin on filters. The oil fill location was moved from a tube on the front of the intake manifold to a cap on either side valve cover.
    * 1987 - The troublesome leaky valve cover surfaces were changed such that cylinder head mounting lip was raised and the bolt location was moved from 4 bolts on the perimeter, to 4 bolts down the centerline of the valve cover (this design debuted on the Corvette in 1985, and Chevrolet 4.3L the year before). The troublesome rear main seal was changed from a 2-piece rubber design to a 1-piece rubber design that used a mounting appliance to hold it in place. This necessitated a change in the flywheel/flexplate bolt pattern as well. Also changed were the mounting angles of the center 2 bolts on each side of the intake manifold (from 90 degrees to 73 degrees) and the lifter bosses were increased in height to accept roller lifters. The alloy heads for use in the Corvette still retain the non-angled bolts (center 2 bolts attaching to the intake).
    * 1996 - This was the last change for the Generation I engine, and continued through the end of the production run in 2003; all 1997-2003 Generation I engines were Vortec truck engines. The cylinder heads were redesigned using improved ports and combustion chambers similar to those in the Generation II LT1. This change resulted in significant power increases.

SB2 and SB2.2

(Small Block/second generation) This engine was produced from 1996 to the present for racing applications only. The cylinder heads were redesigned and the lifter bores were offset. The valve sequence for each head was changed from the traditional E-I-I-E-E-I-I-E to a new I-E-I-E-E-I-E-I and because of this the camshaft was redesigned.

Generation II
LT1 from a 1993 Chevrolet Camaro Z28
LT1 from a 1993 Chevrolet Camaro Z28

See the GM LT engine page for more information on the Generation II small-block V8s, which differ mainly in their reverse-flow cooling system.

Generation III / IV
LS1 from a 1998 Chevrolet Camaro Z28
LS1 from a 1998 Chevrolet Camaro Z28

See the GM LS engine page for more information on the current family of General Motors small-block V8s.

Early Small Blocks

Most current GM small-block V8s (the LT and LS series) trace their lineage to the 1955 265 in³ V8 developed for the Corvette. Displacement and power eventually reached 327 in³ and 12 hp (in prototypes) before the Corvette switched to Chevrolet big-block power. But the small-block lived on, settling in at 350 in³ for decades of performance.

265

The 265 in³ (4.3 L) V8 was the first Chevrolet small block. Designed by Ed Cole's group at Chevrolet, it filled the power gap in the 1955 Corvette lineup, producing an impressive 250 hp (145 kW). The little engine went from drawings to production in just 15 weeks. Besides its compact dimensions, the small-block was known for its novel green-sand foundry construction process.

Dimensions were oversquare - 3.75 in (95 mm) bore and 3 in (76 mm) stroke. The small-block's 4.4 in (111.8 mm) bore spacing would continue in use for decades. It was a pushrod cast-iron engine with hydraulic lifters and a 2-barrel or 4-barrel Rochester carburetor. The 1955 conventional passenger car version produced 162 hp (121 kW) with a 2-barrel carburetor, or could be upgraded at extra cost to a "Power Pack" version conservatively rated at 180 hp (134 kW) with a four-barrel Rochester and dual exhaust. The first production year of this engine had no provision for oil filtration built into the block; however, an add-on filter mounted on the thermostat housing was installed during production. Due to the lack of adequate oil filtration provisions, the '55 model year block is typically only desirable to period collectors.

The 1956 Corvette introduced three versions of this engine - 210 hp (157 kW), 225 hp (168 kW) with twin 4-barrel carbs, and 240 hp (179 kW) with a high-lift cam.

    * 1955, 1956 Chevrolet Corvette
    * 1955 Chevrolet, 165 hp (2-barrel) and 195 hp (4-barrel)

283

The 283 in³ (4.6 L) V8 was introduced in 1957. It was a version of the 265 in³ (4.3 L) with a larger bore at 3.87 in (98 mm). There were five different versions ranging from 185 hp (138 kW) to 283 hp (164 kW to 211 kW) depending on whether a single carb, twin carbs, or fuel injection was used. Power was up a bit each year for 1958, 1959, and 1960.

The 1957 engine featured Ramjet mechanical fuel injection, allowing the engine to produce 1 hp (1 kW) per cubic inch, an impressive feat at the time. For 1961, an amazing 315 hp (235 kW) was available from this unit.

    * 1957-1962 Chevrolet Corvette

302

Chevrolet produced a special 302 in³ (4.9 L) engine for Trans Am racing from 1967-1969. It was the product of placing the 3-inch stroke crankshaft from a 283 into a 4-inch bore 327 block. This engine was mostly used in the first-generation Camaro Z28. Just over 100 DZ block 302 engines were used in the, unique to South Africa, Chevrolet Firenza Can Am. Conservatively rated at 290 hp (216 kW), actual output was around 360 hp (268 kW). This block is one of 3 displacements that underwent a transformation for the 1968/1969 period when the main bearing size was increased from 2.30 in to 2.45 in.

307

A 307 in³ (5.0 L) version was produced from 1968 through 1973. Engine bore was 3.875 in (98.4 mm) with a 3.25 stroke.

The 307 replaced the 283 in Chevrolet cars and produced 200 hp (149 kW) SAE gross at 4600 rpm and 300 ft·lbf (410 N·m) of torque at 2400 rpm in the 1960s. The later emissions-modified versions produced just 115 hp (86 kW) SAE net, giving the engine one of the lowest power-per-displacement ratings of all time. Chevrolet never produced a high-performance version of this motor, though they did produce, for Outboard Marine Corporation, a high-performance marinized 307, rated at 235 and 245 hp (183 kW) SAE gross, depending on year, that shipped with the Corvette/Z-28's cast aluminum valve covers and Rochester QuadraJet carb. Chevy also built other versions of the OMC 307 rated at 210, 215 and 225 hp (168 kW) SAE gross.

One of the biggest myths about the 307 is that all the blocks were cast with a very low nickel content. However, some 307 blocks, such as casting number 3970020 with suffix VxxxxTHA (x's in place for date), had 010 and 020 stamped under the timing chain cover indicating high tin and nickel content.

327

The 327 in³ (5.4 L) V8, introduced in 1962, had a bore and stroke of 4 in (102 mm) by 3.25 in. Power ranged from 250 hp (186 kW) to 375 hp (186 kW to 280 kW) depending on the choice of carburetor or fuel injection, camshaft, cylinder heads and intake manifold. In 1962, the Duntov solid lifter cam versions produced 340 hp (254 kW), 344 ft·lbf (466 N·m) with single Carter 4-brl, and 360 hp (268 kW), 352 ft·lbf (477 N·m) with Rochester mechanical fuel injection. In 1964, horsepower increased to 365 for the now dubbed L76 version, and 375 for the fuel injected L84 respectively, making the L84 the most powerful naturally aspirated, single-cam, production small block V8 until the appearance of the 385 hp (287 kW), 385 ft·lbf (522 N·m) Generation III LS6 in 2001. * L76, L84 1963-1965; Chevrolet Corvette. This block is one of three displacements that under went a major change in 1968/1969 when the main bearing size was increased from 2.30 in to 2.45 in.

400

A 400 in³ small-block was introduced in 1970 and produced for 10 years. It had a 4.125 inch bore and a 3.75 inch stroke. Initial output was 265 hp (198 kW) and was only available equipped with a 2-barrel carburetor. In 1974 a 4-barrel version of the 400 was introduced,while the 2-barrel version stopped production in 1975. 1976 was the last year that the 400 was used in a Chevrolet Passenger car, available in both the A-Body and B-Body line. While popular with circle-track racers, the engine was prone to cooling troubles if cylinder heads without steam holes were used.

Later Small Blocks

This section documents the odd-size small blocks developed after the 350 appeared in 1969. Many of these basic blocks are variations of the 350 design.

262.

The 262 was a 4.3 L (262 in³) 90° pushrod V8 with an iron block and heads. Bore and stroke were 3.67 in (93 mm) by 3.10 in (78.7 mm). Power output for 1975 was 110 hp (82 kW) and 195 ft·lbf (264 N·m). The 262 was underpowered and was replaced by the 305 the following year.

This was Chevrolet's second 4.3L-displaced powerplant; two other Chevrolet engines displaced 4.3L: the Vortec 4300 (based on the Chevrolet 350, with two cylinders removed), and a derivative of the LT1 known as the L99 (using the 305's 3.736" bore, 5.94" connecting rods, and a 3 inch crankshaft stroke).

This engine was used in the following cars:

    * 1975-1976 Chevrolet Monza
    * 1975 Chevrolet Nova

267

The 267 was introduced in 1979 for GM F-Body(Camaro), G-bodies (Chevrolet Monte Carlo, El Camino, and Malibu Classic) and also used on GM B-body cars (Impala and Caprice models). The 267 had the 350's crankshaft stroke of 3.48" and the smallest bore of any small-block, 3.500 in. The 3.500" bore was also used on the 200 V6, which was introduced a year earlier. (The 200 was a Chevrolet V6 motor based on the small block with the #3 and #6 cylinders removed).

It was available with a Rochester Dualjet 210 - effectively, one half of a Rochester Quadrajet. After 1980, electronic feedback carburetion was used on the 267.

While similar in displacement to the other 4.3-4.4L V8 motors produced by General Motors (including the Oldsmobile 260 and Pontiac 265, the small bore 267 shared no parts with the other motors and was phased out after the 1982 model year due to inability to conform to emission standards. Chevrolet vehicles eventually used the 305 (their own 5.0L) coupled with a THM200-4R overdrive.

305

The 305 variant of the small-block Chevrolet had a displacement of 5.0 L (305 in³) with a 3.736 in (95 mm) bore and 3.48 in (88.4 mm) stroke. The 262 was considered underpowered for use in vehicles with a wheelbase greater than 110", so GM engineers decided to increase the bore diameter from 3.671" to 3.736" and increase the stroke from 3.10" to 3.48" (from the 350). Some performance enthusiasts have noted a marked resistance to performance upgrades on the 305 because of its small bore, poor selection of aftermarket cylinder heads, and the relatively high availability of 350 in³ engines.

Induction systems for the 305 included carburetors (both 2 and 4-barrel), throttle-body injection (TBI), tuned-port fuel injection (TPI), and sequential fuel injection (GM Vortec).

After 1996, its usage was limited to light trucks and SUVs as the Vortec 5000.
Year hp (kW) ft·lbf (N·m)
1976 140 250 w/2bbl.
1977 145 245 w/2bbl.
1978 140 240 w/2bbl.
1978 160 235 w/4bbl.
1979 125 235 w/2bbl.
1979 130 245 w/2bbl.
1979 155 225 w/4bbl.
1981 300 350 w/4bbl eddelbroc.

The 305 was used in the following cars:

    * 1976-1993 Chevrolet Caprice (includes Impala)
    * 1976-1979 Chevrolet Monza
    * 1976-1979 Chevrolet Nova (also GM X-body clones after 1976)
    * 1976-1992 Chevrolet Camaro
    * 1976-1988 Chevrolet Malibu, Chevrolet El Camino, and Chevrolet Monte Carlo
    * 1978-1992 Pontiac Firebird
    * 1978-1980 Oldsmobile Cutlass (US Market only, Canadian market after 1980)
    * 1991-1992 Oldsmobile Custom Cruiser
    * 1981-1987 Pontiac Grand Prix
    * 1975-1979 Buick Skylark
    * 1977-2003 Chevrolet/GMC Trucks, SUVs, Vans
    * 1991-1992 Cadillac Brougham

LG3

Years:1976-1980

Dualjet 2 bbl carb version with 8.5:1 compression.

LG4

Years: 1980-1987

The LG4 was the "low output" 305 in³/ 5.0L (compared to the L69). It produced 145–170 hp (110–127 kW) and 240–250 ft·lbf (325–340 N·m). The addition of a knock sensor for the engine management system in 1985 allowed an increase in compression and a more aggressive spark timing map in the ECM. As a result power increased for the 1985 models to 165 hp (123 kW) from the 150 hp (112 kW) rating in 1984.

L69

Years: 1983-1988

The L69 was the so-called High Output 305 in³/ 5.0L, featuring higher compression of 9.5:1 with heads of the to-be-discontinued LU5 Cross-Fire fuel injection engine, and utilizing camshaft and catalytic converter of the 350 in³/ 5.7L L83 which was used on the Corvette of 1982 and 1984. Complete with a 2.75 inch exhaust system, topped by a recalibrated 4-barrel and furthermore a knock sensor including more aggressive spark timing, this engine produced 190 hp (142 kW) @ 4800 and 240 ft·lbf (325 N·m) of torque @ 3200 rpm. In most cases, being mated to a 3.73 or 3:42 ratio limited slip rear axle and a Turbo 350 or 700R4, this engine provided its driver with a wide range of rpm to play in.

LE9

Years: 1981-1986

The LE9 305 was the truck/van version of the High Output 305. It also had flattop pistons for a 9.5:1 compression ratio, the "929" truck 350 camshaft for more torque, 14022601 casting heads featuring 1.84/1.50" valves and 53 cc chambers, a specially calibrated 4bbl Q-Jet, the weird hybrid centrifugal/vacuum advance distributor with ESC knock sensor setup, and lower restriction exhaust. The engine made 210 hp (157 kW) @ 4,600 and 250 lb·ft (339 N·m) @ 2,000 rpm.

L03

Years: 1987-95

The L03 was the "low output" 305 in³/ 5.0L (compared to the 305 TPI LB9). It produced 170 hp (127 kW) and 255 lb·ft (346 N·m) of torque (185 HP @ 4,400 / 275 TQ @ 2,400 in 1993-1995 GM trucks). The 305 dropped the Computer-controlled carburetor and received the fuel-injected TBI (throttle-body injection). The TBI unit consisted of two barrels, much like those of a two barrel carb, but instead of "jets", there was a fuel-injector placed above each barrel, resulting in a 2-barrel, 2-injector setup. The TBI uses a unique injector firing scheme, for every rotation of the engine, each injector fired twice.

TBI injection was used on trucks/vans through the 1995 model year, mainly because of its strong torque curve, allowing for heavy towing, hauling and taller axle gearing for fuel economy.

LB9

Years: 1985-1992

Introduced in 1985, the LB9 was the first Chevrolet small block to have tuned-port fuel injection (TPI). It was introduced with 215 hp (160 kW) and 275 ft·lbf (373 N·m) and varied between 190 and 230 hp (with 275 to 300 lb·ft (410 N·m) torque) over the years offered. It was an option on all 1985-1992 Chevrolet Camaro & Pontiac Firebird models.

350

The first generation of Chevrolet small-blocks began with the 1955 Chevrolet 265 in³ (4.3 L) V8. But it was the 350 in³ (5.7L) series that set the standard for high performance. The engine's physical dimensions (oversquare 4.00 in bore and 3.48 in stroke, 102 mm by 88 mm) are nearly identical to the 400 hp (300 kW) LS2 engine of today, but of course much has changed. It is by far the most widely used Chevrolet small-block; it has been installed in everything from station wagons to sports cars, in commercial vehicles, and even in boats and (in highly modified form) airplanes.

A 350 is usually common with engine swaps - much of the older, pre-1968 Chevrolet V8s were usually swapped with a later 350 when engine replacement was the norm. It has been known to swap a 350 in place of a different small block since all small blocks are the same on the outside (the external dimensions of a Chevrolet small block are the same).

First usage of the 350 was in the 1967 Chevrolet Camaro and 1968 Nova producing 295 horsepower (gross); other Chevrolet vehicle lines followed suit in the year 1969.

The GM Goodwrench 350 crate motor comes in several variations. The lowest priced uses the pre-1986 four-bolt casting molds with two dipstick locations; pre-1980 on the driver's side and post-1980 on the passenger's side. This motor was produced in Mexico since 1981 as the Targetmaster 350, and now the GM Goodwrench 350.

Note that Buick, Oldsmobile, and Pontiac all produced three entirely different 350 in³ V8 engines that shared nothing in common other than displacement. The Buick 350 had a 3.80 in bore and a 3.85 in stroke (96.52 mm by 97.91 mm), the Oldsmobile 350 had a 4.057 in bore and 3.39 in stroke (103 mm by 86 mm), and the Pontiac 350 had a 3.876 in bore and a 3.75 in stroke (98.5 mm by 89.66 mm).

ZQ3

Years: 1969, 1970, 1972-1975

The ZQ3 was the standard engine in the 1969-1970 Chevrolet Corvette. It was a 300 hp (224 kW) version of the 350 in³ (5.7 L) small-block, with 10.25:1 compression and hydraulic lifters. It used a Rochester "4MV" Quadra-Jet 4-barrel carburetor. This was the first block produced that featured the larger 2.45 inch main bearing versus the older 2.30 inch main bearing in 1968/1969.

The 1969 ZQ3 produced 200 hp (150 kW) and 300 ft·lbf (407 N·m) with 8.5:1 compression, dropping another 10 hp (7.5 kW) in 1973. 1975 saw the ZQ3 at 165 hp (123 kW) and 255 ft·lbf (346 N·m).

L46

Years: 1969, 1970

The L46 was an optional engine on the 1969-1970 Chevrolet Corvette. It was a 350 hp (261 kW), 380 ft·lbf (515 N·m) version of the ZQ3 with higher 11:1 compression.

LT-1
LT-1 from a 1970 Chevrolet Camaro Z28
LT-1 from a 1970 Chevrolet Camaro Z28

Years: 1970-1972

The LT-1 was the ultimate 350 V8, becoming available in 1970. It used solid lifters, 11:1 compression, a high-performance camshaft, and a Holley four-barrel carburetor on a special aluminum intake to produce 370 hp (276 kW) and 380 ft·lbf (515 N·m). It was available on the Corvette and Camaro Z28. Power was down in 1971 to 330 hp (246 kW) and 360 ft·lbf (477 N·m) with 9:1 compression, and again in 1972 (the last year of the LT-1) to 255 hp (190 kW) and 280 ft·lbf (380 N·m).

Note that there was a later small-block engine called the "LT1".

L48

Years: 1967-1980

The L-48 is the original 350, available only in the Camaro or Chevy II/Nova in '67 & '68. In '69 it was used in almost everything; Camaros, Corvettes, Impalas, Chevelles & Novas. From '75-'80 it was available only in the Corvette. L-48's use a Hyd Cam, 4bbl Qjet, Cast pistons, 2 bolt main caps, "Pink" Rods, #0014 Blocks & #993 heads. Power output ranges from 300HP(gross) down to 175HP(net).

The L48 was the standard engine in the 1971 Chevrolet Corvette. It produced 270 hp (201 kW) and 360 ft·lbf (477 N·m) with an 8.5:1 compression ratio.

The 1976-1979 L48 was the standard Corvette engine and produced 180 hp (134 kW) and 270 ft·lbf (366 N·m). The 1980 L48 stood at 190 hp (142 kW) and 280 ft·lbf (380 N·m) from 8.2:1 compression.

In 1973 the "L-48" had cold air induction (throttle activated) and developed 190 hp (net). Beginning in 1974 the hp was reduced for several years until it reached a low of 165 (net) in 1975, before rising again.

L82

Years: 1973-1980

The 1973-1974 L82 was a "performance" version of the 350 producing 250 hp (186 kW) and 285 ft·lbf (386 N·m) from 9:1 compression. It was down to 205 hp (153 kW) and 255 ft·lbf (346 N·m) for 1975. It was the optional engine again in 1976-1977, producing 5 hp (4 kW) more. The 1978 L82 recovered somewhat, producing 220 hp (164 kW) and 260 ft·lbf (353 N·m), and 5 hp (4 kW) and 10 ft·lbf (14 N·m) more for 1979. 1980 saw another 10 hp (7.5 kW) and 15 ft·lbf (20 N·m).

L81

Years: 1981

The L81 was the only 350 Corvette engine for 1981. It produced 190 hp (142 kW) and 280 ft·lbf (380 N·m) from 8.2:1 compression, exactly the same as the 1980 L48, but added computer control spark advance, replacing the vacuum advance. The L81 is the exact same as any ordinary 350 5.7L ci gm motor.

L83

Years: 1982, 1984

The 1982 L83 was again the only Corvette engine (and only available with an automatic transmission) producing 200 hp (150 kW) and 285 ft·lbf (386 N·m) from 9:1 compression. This was again the only engine on the new 1984 Vette, at 205 hp (153 kW) and 290 ft·lbf (393 N·m). The L83 added Cross-Fire fuel injection (twin throttle-body fuel injection).

[L98

    For the new Generation IV V8, see GM L98.

Years: 1985-1992

The new 1985 L98 added tuned-port fuel injection "TPI", which produced 230 hp (172 kW) and 330 ft·lbf (447 N·m). It was standard on all 1985-1991 Corvettes (rated at 230-250 hp and 330-350ft·lbf torque). Optional on 87-92 Chevrolet Camaro & Pontiac Firebird models (rated at 225-245 hp and 330-345ft·lbf torque) 1987 versions had 10 hp (7.5 kW) and 15 ft·lbf (20 N·m) more thanks to 9.5:1 compression. Compression was up again in 1991 to 10:1 but output stayed the same.

LM1

The LM1 is the base 350 with a 4-barrel carburetor (usually with a Rochester Quadrajet) in passenger cars until 1988. Throughout its lifespan, it received either a points, electronic, and/or computer-controlled spark system, to conventional and feedback carburetors.

LM1s were superseded with the LO5 powerplant after 1988.

L05

The L05 was introduced in 1987 for use in Chevrolet/GMC trucks in both the GMT400 (introduced in April 1987 as 1988 models) and the R/V series trucks such as the K5 Blazer, Suburban, and rounded-era pickups formerly classed as the C/K until 1996 which includes chassis cabs and 4-door crew cabs. Although usage was for trucks, vans, and 9C1-optioned Caprices, the L05 was also used with the following vehicles:

    * 1992/1993 Buick Roadmaster sedan and station wagon
    * 1991/1992 Cadillac Brougham (optional engine)
    * 1993 Cadillac Fleetwood
    * 1992/1993 Chevrolet Caprice Wagon (optional engine)
    * 1993 Chevrolet Caprice LTZ
    * 1992 Oldsmobile Custom Cruiser Wagon (optional engine)

L05 usage was replaced by the GM LT1 after 1993 in GM B-Bodies until production ceased in 1996.

In mid 1996 the L05 was equipped with Vortec heads used in the 1996 G30.

L31

The L31 replaced the LO5 in 1996 - known as the Vortec 5700. Known as the GEN 1+, this was the final incarnation of the 1955-vintage small block, ending production in 2005 with the last vehicle being a Kodiak/Topkick HD truck. Volvo Penta and Mercury Marine still produces the L31 to this day. The "MARINE" intake is a potential upgrade for L31 trucks.


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Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

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Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

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Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

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Something else I just thought of....while it is a sin and dehumaniing to hate, or even dislike, women...hating men is perfectly acceptable.

And also, if something is insulting, or offensive, to women, like "Sex & the City", it becomes an issue, but if something is offensive to men, like sat "Two and a Half Men", no one cares.

And, to answer an earlier poster, when a woman has self-esteem, she is EMPOWERED...but when a man has self-esteem, he is an arrogant, mysogynist, cheavunistic bastard!!
A BRIEF HISTORY OF THE CHRYSLER SLANT-6.


The Slant-6, known within Chrysler as the G-engine, is one of Chrysler's two best known automobile engines, along with the Hemi V8. The engine is an inline-6 piston engine specifically designed such that the cylinders are inclined at a 30-degree angle from vertical. The 30° inclination of the Slant-6 gave a lower height overall engine package, which enabled vehicle stylists to lower hoodlines, and also made room for the water pump to be mounted with a significant lateral offset, significantly shortening the engine's overall length. In addition, the slanted cylinder block provided ample space under the hood for intake and exhaust manifolds with runners of longer and more nearly equal length compared to the "rake" or "log" style manifolds found on other inline engines. These manifolds give a more even cylinder-to-cylinder fuel distribution and are less restrictive for better airflow through the engine.

The engine was introduced in two sizes in 1960: The 170  in³ (2.8 L) "LG" (Low-G, referring to the relatively short engine block casting and crankshaft stroke) in the Valiant, and the 225  in³ (3.7 L) "RG" (Raised-G, referring to the relatively tall engine block casting and crankshaft stroke) in full-size Plymouth and Dodge Dart models. In 1960, the engine was referred to by Plymouth division as the "30-D Economy Six" engine, the "30-D" referring to the 30° cylinder block angle.

The G-engine was offered in various configurations in the North American market until 1983 in cars, 1987 in trucks, and 1991 for marine, agricultural and industrial use. Replacement engines were still being built in Mexico as of 2000. In addition, the G-engine was used extensively by worldwide Chrysler divisions and subsidiaries in their locally-produced vehicles. It was also widely purchased by other original equipment manufacturers for installation in commercial vehicles, agricultural and industrial equipment, and boats.

The G-engine gained an enviable reputation for reliability and nearly unstoppable durability. The basic engine design incorporates much heavy-duty engineering, in part because the engine was designed from the start to be made of either iron or aluminum: The block is of a deep-skirt design, with the crankshaft axis well above the oil pan rails for structural rigidity. Although only four main bearings are used, they are of the same dimensions as those in the Hemi. Very efficient cooling and lubrication systems, a favorable rod ratio, and an extremely strong forged steel crankshaft (on engines made through mid-1976) all contributed to the engine's apparent indestructibility. In addition, the G-engine also provided better performance than most of its competition in the 1960s and 1970s. By the 1980s, the G-engine had been effectively strangled by continual addition of increasingly-restrictive exhaust emission control devices, without upgrades to the combustion chamber design, piston displacement or induction system, all of which were by that time quite antiquated. G-engine use in passenger cars was rapidly phased out in the early 1980s as Chrysler Corporation shifted to front wheel drive architecture.

Significant production changes

    * The combustion chamber shape was slightly modified for 1967 to promote more complete combustion and reduce exhaust emission toxicity.
    * All G engines used forged steel crankshafts until the middle of model year 1976, when a less costly cast iron crankshaft was introduced. The cast crankshaft uses a different block, different main and connecting rod bearings and different connecting rods.
    * The counterbore in the rear flange of the crankshaft was 1¼" diameter until 1967. For 1968, it was enlarged to 1½". This difference has implications when swapping engines and automatic transmissions across this date line.
    * All G-engines used solid valve lifters through the 1980 model year, with the exception of a small production test of hydraulic lifters in the 1978 model year. For model year 1981, all North American G-engines received top-fed hydraulic lifters. Retrofitment in both directions is possible.
    * Emission control devices and systems, carburetor make and specification, and engine assembly details changed over the years to comply with market requirements and preferences.
    * Electronic ignition, which had been made available on V8 engines late in 1971, was made standard equipment on all engines including the RG in 1973.
    * Induction-hardened exhaust valve seats and upgraded exhaust valves were made standard in 1973 to withstand prolonged operation on no-lead fuel.

Configuration variants

Different displacements

170 in³

The 170  in³ (2.8 L) slant-6 engine was offered in model years 1960 through 1969 in North America, and through 1971 for export markets. The first vehicle to offer the 170 slant-6 was the 1960 Valiant. The engine has a bore of 3.40" (86 mm) and a stroke of 3.125" (79 mm). The "LG" low-deck block was unique to the 170 engine.

198 in³

The 198  in³ (3.2 L) slant-6 was introduced in the North American market for model year 1970 as a more powerful base-model engine than the previous 170  in³ base engine. The increased displacement gave improved base-model vehicle performance and lower manufacturing cost, for it was achieved by installing a crankshaft with 3.64" (92.5 mm) stroke into the tall RG block also used with the 225  in³ (3.7 L) version of the engine. In this manner, manufacturing costs were eliminated that had been caused by previously using two different blocks for the two different available sizes of slant-6 engine. The 198 engine was available through the 1974 model year.

225 in³

The 225  in³ (3.7 L) Slant-6 used the RG (tall) block with a 3.40" (86 mm) bore and a 4.125" (105 mm) stroke. This undersquare geometry was a departure from the emerging trend towards oversquare engines, and gave the 225 exceptionally strong low-RPM torque characteristics. The large amount of torque available at low RPMs caused the 225 to find favor not only as a responsive and driveable passenger car engine, but also in pickup and commercial trucks, school buses, motorhomes, forklifts, harvesters, swathers from the likes of John Deere, airplane tugs, and powerboats The 225 was originally designed and introduced in 1960 for use in full-size models, and it eventually became the best known of the Slant Six engines.

Aluminum-block 225 in³

Between late model year 1961 and early model year 1963, approximately 52,000 die-cast aluminum RG blocks were produced and installed in passenger cars. These open-deck blocks used integrally-cast high-Nickel iron cylinder liners, and bolt-in iron upper and lower main bearing caps. Internal components (crank, rods, pistons, etc.) were the same as used in the iron engine, and an iron cylinder head was used with a special copper-asbestos gasket. The aluminum block weighs about 80 lb (36 kg) less than the iron RG block.

High performance variants

Most G-engines were equipped with small-capacity carburetors and exhaust systems adequate for standard passenger car usage at low altitudes, but which tended to hamper maximum available performance at high altitudes, in heavy or race-purpose vehicles and/or where quicker acceleration was desired. To meet the demand for improved responsiveness, modified engine configurations were made available in various markets over the years.

Hyper Pak

The Hyper Pak was a parts package made available from 1960 through 1962 at Chrysler Corporation dealer parts counters. The parts were made available to comply with the regulations of sanctioning bodies for racing events in which Valiants had been entered by factory-backed teams: All parts used had to be "stock" parts, the definition of which meant that they were available through normal factory parts channels. The Hyper Pak consisted of a very-long-ram intake manifold meant to accept a Carter AFB 4-barrel carburetor, the AFB carburetor itself and an appropriate air cleaner, dual (front-3 and rear-3) cast iron exhaust headers, a large-diameter exhaust Y-pipe to connect to these dual cast iron headers, a larger muffler, a 276°-duration camshaft with appropriate valve springs and pushrods, a heavier-duty clutch, a manual choke control, a starter motor modification template and, in the full-race version of the package, high-compression pistons designed to increase the engine's compression ratio to 10.5 from the stock 8.5. The Hyper Pak was recommended for installation only on vehicles equipped with manual transmissions, for the camshaft was of such characteristics that a high idle speed was required to prevent engine stall-out. The Hyper Pak was primarily intended for competition driving, its road manners involving rough idling and poor cold-engine driveability, a high power band and poor fuel economy. But, in competition events, it proved unbeatable. Eight factory-backed Valiants entered the 1960 NASCAR compact car race at Daytona Beach, and humbled the competition; the Valiants came in first through eighth. After a similar performance the following year, the race was dropped. A high-fidelity reproduction of the Hyper Pak intake manifold was created by noted Slant-6 builder Doug Dutra in the late 1990s; subsequently the tooling was sold to a marketer of performance equipment for inline six-cylinder engines.

Multiple carburetors

For the 1965-1968 model years, Chrysler Argentina equipped Valiant GT models with a system of dual 1-barrel carburetors and other engine specification changes. Claimed output was 180 bhp (134 kW), compared to the single-carburetor version of the engine producing 145 bhp (108 kW).

2-barrel carburetion

Export 2-barrel setup
Air cleaner decal from Australian-market 1967-'70 2bbl Slant-6 installed on US-market 1976-'79 2bbl setup
Air cleaner decal from Australian-market 1967-'70 2bbl Slant-6 installed on US-market 1976-'79 2bbl setup

For the 1967 model year, a 2-barrel carburetor setup was released for export production. This configuration, similar to that found on marine G-engines beginning in 1965, consisted of an iron intake manifold with open-plenum 2-barrel carburetor mounting pad, a Carter BBD carburetor, and associated air cleaner, linkage and plumbing changes. Also installed on these export 2-barrel engines was a slightly hotter camshaft (244° duration rather than 240°), and a distributor with modified advance curves. This engine, rated at 160 bhp (120 kW), was popular in Central and South America, South Africa, Australia and New Zealand. Driveability characteristics were generally superior to those of the 1-barrel engine, but to avoid cutting into sales of the more expensive V8 engine, this 2-barrel setup was not offered in the North American market. Of particular note is the automatic choke design found in this export 2-barrel setup. Most Chrysler products used remote automatic chokes, with a bimetal coil spring mounted on the exhaust manifold, exposed to exhaust heat and operating a pushrod which rotated the choke lever on the carburetor. The export 2-barrel setup used an integral heat-tube style automatic choke: Air heated by the exhaust manifold was routed to a round bakelite housing on the carburetor air horn, which contained a bimetal spring acting directly on the choke lever.

Super Six

By the mid 1970s in the North American market, emission control regulations were reducing engine performance at the same time as safety regulations were making cars heavier. An increase in performance was required for the G-engine, so a 2-barrel setup was released for the 1976 model year. This was not the same as the export 2-barrel package described above; the intake manifold used a throttle-bored plenum rather than an open one, and had provisions for an EGR valve. The carburetor, a Carter BBD similar but not identical to the one used on Chrysler's 318 V8 engine, used a standard Chrysler-style remote automatic choke. A 2¼-inch exhaust headpipe was also provided, as well as 2bbl-specific advance curves in the ignition distributor. This package, called "Super Six" by the marketing division, added between 10 and 15% to the engine's horsepower and significantly improved throttle response and driveability while maintaining compliance with emission laws.

Aftermarket

Many companies have provided aftermarket performance equipment for the G-engine through the years. A surprisingly wide selection of camshafts, intake manifolds and carburetion setups, ignition components, internal engine parts and accessories are still available on today's market.

Applications

Passenger cars, trucks, vans
Cars, trucks and vans using G- and RG-engines

    * Chrysler LeBaron
    * Dodge Aspen
    * Dodge Challenger
    * Dodge Charger
    * Dodge Coronet
    * Dodge Dart
    * Dodge Diplomat
    * Dodge Lancer
    * Dodge Mirada
    * Dodge Monaco
    * Dodge Polara
    * Dodge Ram
    * Dodge St. Regis
    * A-series truck and van
    * D-series truck and van
    * W-series 4WD truck
    * Plymouth Barracuda
    * Plymouth Belvedere
    * Plymouth Duster
    * Plymouth Fury
    * Plymouth Satellite
    * Plymouth Valiant
    * Plymouth Volaré



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Chevrolet small-block V8's are among the very best. They are cheap, powerful, easy to maintain, and have a reputation for being nearly indestructible.

Here's some more information on the subject:

A BRIEF HISTORY OF THE CHEVROLET SMALL-BLOCK V8.

Chevrolet's small-block V8 is a famous automobile engine. Nicknamed "mouse motor" (opposed to the big block engines, nicknamed "rat") for its compact dimensions compared to other V8 engines of the time, production began in 1955 with the 265 engine. By 1957 it had grown to 283 cubic inches, and with the optional Rochester mechanical fuel injection, it became the first production engine ever to make one horsepower per cubic inch. This engine was used to power the Corvette, and the Bel Air at that time. It would later be extended to other vehicles as well, and replace the old style 265 V8s. The displacement changed over the years, eventually reaching 400 in³ (6.6 L), but none caught on like the 350 in³ (5.7 L) small-block. This engine is still in production today at General Motors Toluca, Mexico plant (primarily for the GM over-the-counter Goodwrench powerplants), but is no longer offered in current model year vehicles since the year 2004. Its production numbers were impressive, with more than 90,000,000 built. It has been produced in carburated, mechanical fuel injection, and electronic fuel injection forms.

From 1955-74, the small-block engine was known as the "Turbo-Fire V8".

Although Buick, Cadillac, Oldsmobile, and Pontiac also designed V8 engines (see list of GM engines), it was Chevrolet's 350 in³ small-block that became the GM corporate standard. Over the years, every American General Motors division except Saturn used the Chevrolet small-block, and its descendants (see GM LT engine and GM LS engine) continue as the company's mainstream V8 design today.

The small-block was on the Ward's 10 Best Engines of the 20th Century list.

Major Versions

Generation 1

The original design of the small block remained remarkably unchanged for its production run, which began in 1955 and ended, in passenger vehicles, in 2003. The engine is still being built today for many aftermarket applications, both to replace worn-out older engines and also by many builders as high-performance applications. There were, however many minor changes made to the engine over the years; these changes are listed below.

    * 1955 - The first year of introduction in 265 cubic inches only. As was fairly common for the time, no provision for an oil filter was included in the engine design.
    * 1956 - Oil filtration was introduced, using a sock style filter in a canister.
    * 1962 - The block's cylinder wall casting was revised to allow four inch bores. Previously, only certain years of the 283 engine (1958-1962) could be bored safely to four inches.
    * 1968 - The main journal diameter was increased to 2.45 in from 2.30 in and the connecting rod journal diameter was increased to 2.10 in from 2.00 in. Additionally, the canister/sock style oil filter was now converted to use spin on filters. The oil fill location was moved from a tube on the front of the intake manifold to a cap on either side valve cover.
    * 1987 - The troublesome leaky valve cover surfaces were changed such that cylinder head mounting lip was raised and the bolt location was moved from 4 bolts on the perimeter, to 4 bolts down the centerline of the valve cover (this design debuted on the Corvette in 1985, and Chevrolet 4.3L the year before). The troublesome rear main seal was changed from a 2-piece rubber design to a 1-piece rubber design that used a mounting appliance to hold it in place. This necessitated a change in the flywheel/flexplate bolt pattern as well. Also changed were the mounting angles of the center 2 bolts on each side of the intake manifold (from 90 degrees to 73 degrees) and the lifter bosses were increased in height to accept roller lifters. The alloy heads for use in the Corvette still retain the non-angled bolts (center 2 bolts attaching to the intake).
    * 1996 - This was the last change for the Generation I engine, and continued through the end of the production run in 2003; all 1997-2003 Generation I engines were Vortec truck engines. The cylinder heads were redesigned using improved ports and combustion chambers similar to those in the Generation II LT1. This change resulted in significant power increases.

SB2 and SB2.2

(Small Block/second generation) This engine was produced from 1996 to the present for racing applications only. The cylinder heads were redesigned and the lifter bores were offset. The valve sequence for each head was changed from the traditional E-I-I-E-E-I-I-E to a new I-E-I-E-E-I-E-I and because of this the camshaft was redesigned.

Generation II
LT1 from a 1993 Chevrolet Camaro Z28
LT1 from a 1993 Chevrolet Camaro Z28

See the GM LT engine page for more information on the Generation II small-block V8s, which differ mainly in their reverse-flow cooling system.

Generation III / IV
LS1 from a 1998 Chevrolet Camaro Z28
LS1 from a 1998 Chevrolet Camaro Z28

See the GM LS engine page for more information on the current family of General Motors small-block V8s.

Early Small Blocks

Most current GM small-block V8s (the LT and LS series) trace their lineage to the 1955 265 in³ V8 developed for the Corvette. Displacement and power eventually reached 327 in³ and 12 hp (in prototypes) before the Corvette switched to Chevrolet big-block power. But the small-block lived on, settling in at 350 in³ for decades of performance.

265

The 265 in³ (4.3 L) V8 was the first Chevrolet small block. Designed by Ed Cole's group at Chevrolet, it filled the power gap in the 1955 Corvette lineup, producing an impressive 250 hp (145 kW). The little engine went from drawings to production in just 15 weeks. Besides its compact dimensions, the small-block was known for its novel green-sand foundry construction process.

Dimensions were oversquare - 3.75 in (95 mm) bore and 3 in (76 mm) stroke. The small-block's 4.4 in (111.8 mm) bore spacing would continue in use for decades. It was a pushrod cast-iron engine with hydraulic lifters and a 2-barrel or 4-barrel Rochester carburetor. The 1955 conventional passenger car version produced 162 hp (121 kW) with a 2-barrel carburetor, or could be upgraded at extra cost to a "Power Pack" version conservatively rated at 180 hp (134 kW) with a four-barrel Rochester and dual exhaust. The first production year of this engine had no provision for oil filtration built into the block; however, an add-on filter mounted on the thermostat housing was installed during production. Due to the lack of adequate oil filtration provisions, the '55 model year block is typically only desirable to period collectors.

The 1956 Corvette introduced three versions of this engine - 210 hp (157 kW), 225 hp (168 kW) with twin 4-barrel carbs, and 240 hp (179 kW) with a high-lift cam.

    * 1955, 1956 Chevrolet Corvette
    * 1955 Chevrolet, 165 hp (2-barrel) and 195 hp (4-barrel)

283

The 283 in³ (4.6 L) V8 was introduced in 1957. It was a version of the 265 in³ (4.3 L) with a larger bore at 3.87 in (98 mm). There were five different versions ranging from 185 hp (138 kW) to 283 hp (164 kW to 211 kW) depending on whether a single carb, twin carbs, or fuel injection was used. Power was up a bit each year for 1958, 1959, and 1960.

The 1957 engine featured Ramjet mechanical fuel injection, allowing the engine to produce 1 hp (1 kW) per cubic inch, an impressive feat at the time. For 1961, an amazing 315 hp (235 kW) was available from this unit.

    * 1957-1962 Chevrolet Corvette

302

Chevrolet produced a special 302 in³ (4.9 L) engine for Trans Am racing from 1967-1969. It was the product of placing the 3-inch stroke crankshaft from a 283 into a 4-inch bore 327 block. This engine was mostly used in the first-generation Camaro Z28. Just over 100 DZ block 302 engines were used in the, unique to South Africa, Chevrolet Firenza Can Am. Conservatively rated at 290 hp (216 kW), actual output was around 360 hp (268 kW). This block is one of 3 displacements that underwent a transformation for the 1968/1969 period when the main bearing size was increased from 2.30 in to 2.45 in.

307

A 307 in³ (5.0 L) version was produced from 1968 through 1973. Engine bore was 3.875 in (98.4 mm) with a 3.25 stroke.

The 307 replaced the 283 in Chevrolet cars and produced 200 hp (149 kW) SAE gross at 4600 rpm and 300 ft·lbf (410 N·m) of torque at 2400 rpm in the 1960s. The later emissions-modified versions produced just 115 hp (86 kW) SAE net, giving the engine one of the lowest power-per-displacement ratings of all time. Chevrolet never produced a high-performance version of this motor, though they did produce, for Outboard Marine Corporation, a high-performance marinized 307, rated at 235 and 245 hp (183 kW) SAE gross, depending on year, that shipped with the Corvette/Z-28's cast aluminum valve covers and Rochester QuadraJet carb. Chevy also built other versions of the OMC 307 rated at 210, 215 and 225 hp (168 kW) SAE gross.

One of the biggest myths about the 307 is that all the blocks were cast with a very low nickel content. However, some 307 blocks, such as casting number 3970020 with suffix VxxxxTHA (x's in place for date), had 010 and 020 stamped under the timing chain cover indicating high tin and nickel content.

327

The 327 in³ (5.4 L) V8, introduced in 1962, had a bore and stroke of 4 in (102 mm) by 3.25 in. Power ranged from 250 hp (186 kW) to 375 hp (186 kW to 280 kW) depending on the choice of carburetor or fuel injection, camshaft, cylinder heads and intake manifold. In 1962, the Duntov solid lifter cam versions produced 340 hp (254 kW), 344 ft·lbf (466 N·m) with single Carter 4-brl, and 360 hp (268 kW), 352 ft·lbf (477 N·m) with Rochester mechanical fuel injection. In 1964, horsepower increased to 365 for the now dubbed L76 version, and 375 for the fuel injected L84 respectively, making the L84 the most powerful naturally aspirated, single-cam, production small block V8 until the appearance of the 385 hp (287 kW), 385 ft·lbf (522 N·m) Generation III LS6 in 2001. * L76, L84 1963-1965; Chevrolet Corvette. This block is one of three displacements that under went a major change in 1968/1969 when the main bearing size was increased from 2.30 in to 2.45 in.

400

A 400 in³ small-block was introduced in 1970 and produced for 10 years. It had a 4.125 inch bore and a 3.75 inch stroke. Initial output was 265 hp (198 kW) and was only available equipped with a 2-barrel carburetor. In 1974 a 4-barrel version of the 400 was introduced,while the 2-barrel version stopped production in 1975. 1976 was the last year that the 400 was used in a Chevrolet Passenger car, available in both the A-Body and B-Body line. While popular with circle-track racers, the engine was prone to cooling troubles if cylinder heads without steam holes were used.

Later Small Blocks

This section documents the odd-size small blocks developed after the 350 appeared in 1969. Many of these basic blocks are variations of the 350 design.

262.

The 262 was a 4.3 L (262 in³) 90° pushrod V8 with an iron block and heads. Bore and stroke were 3.67 in (93 mm) by 3.10 in (78.7 mm). Power output for 1975 was 110 hp (82 kW) and 195 ft·lbf (264 N·m). The 262 was underpowered and was replaced by the 305 the following year.

This was Chevrolet's second 4.3L-displaced powerplant; two other Chevrolet engines displaced 4.3L: the Vortec 4300 (based on the Chevrolet 350, with two cylinders removed), and a derivative of the LT1 known as the L99 (using the 305's 3.736" bore, 5.94" connecting rods, and a 3 inch crankshaft stroke).

This engine was used in the following cars:

    * 1975-1976 Chevrolet Monza
    * 1975 Chevrolet Nova

267

The 267 was introduced in 1979 for GM F-Body(Camaro), G-bodies (Chevrolet Monte Carlo, El Camino, and Malibu Classic) and also used on GM B-body cars (Impala and Caprice models). The 267 had the 350's crankshaft stroke of 3.48" and the smallest bore of any small-block, 3.500 in. The 3.500" bore was also used on the 200 V6, which was introduced a year earlier. (The 200 was a Chevrolet V6 motor based on the small block with the #3 and #6 cylinders removed).

It was available with a Rochester Dualjet 210 - effectively, one half of a Rochester Quadrajet. After 1980, electronic feedback carburetion was used on the 267.

While similar in displacement to the other 4.3-4.4L V8 motors produced by General Motors (including the Oldsmobile 260 and Pontiac 265, the small bore 267 shared no parts with the other motors and was phased out after the 1982 model year due to inability to conform to emission standards. Chevrolet vehicles eventually used the 305 (their own 5.0L) coupled with a THM200-4R overdrive.

305

The 305 variant of the small-block Chevrolet had a displacement of 5.0 L (305 in³) with a 3.736 in (95 mm) bore and 3.48 in (88.4 mm) stroke. The 262 was considered underpowered for use in vehicles with a wheelbase greater than 110", so GM engineers decided to increase the bore diameter from 3.671" to 3.736" and increase the stroke from 3.10" to 3.48" (from the 350). Some performance enthusiasts have noted a marked resistance to performance upgrades on the 305 because of its small bore, poor selection of aftermarket cylinder heads, and the relatively high availability of 350 in³ engines.

Induction systems for the 305 included carburetors (both 2 and 4-barrel), throttle-body injection (TBI), tuned-port fuel injection (TPI), and sequential fuel injection (GM Vortec).

After 1996, its usage was limited to light trucks and SUVs as the Vortec 5000.
Year    hp (kW)    ft·lbf (N·m)
1976    140    250    w/2bbl.
1977    145    245    w/2bbl.
1978    140    240    w/2bbl.
1978    160    235    w/4bbl.
1979    125    235    w/2bbl.
1979    130    245    w/2bbl.
1979    155    225    w/4bbl.
1981    300    350    w/4bbl eddelbroc.

The 305 was used in the following cars:

    * 1976-1993 Chevrolet Caprice (includes Impala)
    * 1976-1979 Chevrolet Monza
    * 1976-1979 Chevrolet Nova (also GM X-body clones after 1976)
    * 1976-1992 Chevrolet Camaro
    * 1976-1988 Chevrolet Malibu, Chevrolet El Camino, and Chevrolet Monte Carlo
    * 1978-1992 Pontiac Firebird
    * 1978-1980 Oldsmobile Cutlass (US Market only, Canadian market after 1980)
    * 1991-1992 Oldsmobile Custom Cruiser
    * 1981-1987 Pontiac Grand Prix
    * 1975-1979 Buick Skylark
    * 1977-2003 Chevrolet/GMC Trucks, SUVs, Vans
    * 1991-1992 Cadillac Brougham

LG3

Years:1976-1980

Dualjet 2 bbl carb version with 8.5:1 compression.

LG4

Years: 1980-1987

The LG4 was the "low output" 305 in³/ 5.0L (compared to the L69). It produced 145–170 hp (110–127 kW) and 240–250 ft·lbf (325–340 N·m). The addition of a knock sensor for the engine management system in 1985 allowed an increase in compression and a more aggressive spark timing map in the ECM. As a result power increased for the 1985 models to 165 hp (123 kW) from the 150 hp (112 kW) rating in 1984.

L69

Years: 1983-1988

The L69 was the so-called High Output 305 in³/ 5.0L, featuring higher compression of 9.5:1 with heads of the to-be-discontinued LU5 Cross-Fire fuel injection engine, and utilizing camshaft and catalytic converter of the 350 in³/ 5.7L L83 which was used on the Corvette of 1982 and 1984. Complete with a 2.75 inch exhaust system, topped by a recalibrated 4-barrel and furthermore a knock sensor including more aggressive spark timing, this engine produced 190 hp (142 kW) @ 4800 and 240 ft·lbf (325 N·m) of torque @ 3200 rpm. In most cases, being mated to a 3.73 or 3:42 ratio limited slip rear axle and a Turbo 350 or 700R4, this engine provided its driver with a wide range of rpm to play in.

LE9

Years: 1981-1986

The LE9 305 was the truck/van version of the High Output 305. It also had flattop pistons for a 9.5:1 compression ratio, the "929" truck 350 camshaft for more torque, 14022601 casting heads featuring 1.84/1.50" valves and 53 cc chambers, a specially calibrated 4bbl Q-Jet, the weird hybrid centrifugal/vacuum advance distributor with ESC knock sensor setup, and lower restriction exhaust. The engine made 210 hp (157 kW) @ 4,600 and 250 lb·ft (339 N·m) @ 2,000 rpm.

L03

Years: 1987-95

The L03 was the "low output" 305 in³/ 5.0L (compared to the 305 TPI LB9). It produced 170 hp (127 kW) and 255 lb·ft (346 N·m) of torque (185 HP @ 4,400 / 275 TQ @ 2,400 in 1993-1995 GM trucks). The 305 dropped the Computer-controlled carburetor and received the fuel-injected TBI (throttle-body injection). The TBI unit consisted of two barrels, much like those of a two barrel carb, but instead of "jets", there was a fuel-injector placed above each barrel, resulting in a 2-barrel, 2-injector setup. The TBI uses a unique injector firing scheme, for every rotation of the engine, each injector fired twice.

TBI injection was used on trucks/vans through the 1995 model year, mainly because of its strong torque curve, allowing for heavy towing, hauling and taller axle gearing for fuel economy.

LB9

Years: 1985-1992

Introduced in 1985, the LB9 was the first Chevrolet small block to have tuned-port fuel injection (TPI). It was introduced with 215 hp (160 kW) and 275 ft·lbf (373 N·m) and varied between 190 and 230 hp (with 275 to 300 lb·ft (410 N·m) torque) over the years offered. It was an option on all 1985-1992 Chevrolet Camaro & Pontiac Firebird models.

350

The first generation of Chevrolet small-blocks began with the 1955 Chevrolet 265 in³ (4.3 L) V8. But it was the 350 in³ (5.7L) series that set the standard for high performance. The engine's physical dimensions (oversquare 4.00 in bore and 3.48 in stroke, 102 mm by 88 mm) are nearly identical to the 400 hp (300 kW) LS2 engine of today, but of course much has changed. It is by far the most widely used Chevrolet small-block; it has been installed in everything from station wagons to sports cars, in commercial vehicles, and even in boats and (in highly modified form) airplanes.

A 350 is usually common with engine swaps - much of the older, pre-1968 Chevrolet V8s were usually swapped with a later 350 when engine replacement was the norm. It has been known to swap a 350 in place of a different small block since all small blocks are the same on the outside (the external dimensions of a Chevrolet small block are the same).

First usage of the 350 was in the 1967 Chevrolet Camaro and 1968 Nova producing 295 horsepower (gross); other Chevrolet vehicle lines followed suit in the year 1969.

The GM Goodwrench 350 crate motor comes in several variations. The lowest priced uses the pre-1986 four-bolt casting molds with two dipstick locations; pre-1980 on the driver's side and post-1980 on the passenger's side. This motor was produced in Mexico since 1981 as the Targetmaster 350, and now the GM Goodwrench 350.

Note that Buick, Oldsmobile, and Pontiac all produced three entirely different 350 in³ V8 engines that shared nothing in common other than displacement. The Buick 350 had a 3.80 in bore and a 3.85 in stroke (96.52 mm by 97.91 mm), the Oldsmobile 350 had a 4.057 in bore and 3.39 in stroke (103 mm by 86 mm), and the Pontiac 350 had a 3.876 in bore and a 3.75 in stroke (98.5 mm by 89.66 mm).

ZQ3

Years: 1969, 1970, 1972-1975

The ZQ3 was the standard engine in the 1969-1970 Chevrolet Corvette. It was a 300 hp (224 kW) version of the 350 in³ (5.7 L) small-block, with 10.25:1 compression and hydraulic lifters. It used a Rochester "4MV" Quadra-Jet 4-barrel carburetor. This was the first block produced that featured the larger 2.45 inch main bearing versus the older 2.30 inch main bearing in 1968/1969.

The 1969 ZQ3 produced 200 hp (150 kW) and 300 ft·lbf (407 N·m) with 8.5:1 compression, dropping another 10 hp (7.5 kW) in 1973. 1975 saw the ZQ3 at 165 hp (123 kW) and 255 ft·lbf (346 N·m).

L46

Years: 1969, 1970

The L46 was an optional engine on the 1969-1970 Chevrolet Corvette. It was a 350 hp (261 kW), 380 ft·lbf (515 N·m) version of the ZQ3 with higher 11:1 compression.

LT-1
LT-1 from a 1970 Chevrolet Camaro Z28
LT-1 from a 1970 Chevrolet Camaro Z28

Years: 1970-1972

The LT-1 was the ultimate 350 V8, becoming available in 1970. It used solid lifters, 11:1 compression, a high-performance camshaft, and a Holley four-barrel carburetor on a special aluminum intake to produce 370 hp (276 kW) and 380 ft·lbf (515 N·m). It was available on the Corvette and Camaro Z28. Power was down in 1971 to 330 hp (246 kW) and 360 ft·lbf (477 N·m) with 9:1 compression, and again in 1972 (the last year of the LT-1) to 255 hp (190 kW) and 280 ft·lbf (380 N·m).

Note that there was a later small-block engine called the "LT1".

L48

Years: 1967-1980

The L-48 is the original 350, available only in the Camaro or Chevy II/Nova in '67 & '68. In '69 it was used in almost everything; Camaros, Corvettes, Impalas, Chevelles & Novas. From '75-'80 it was available only in the Corvette. L-48's use a Hyd Cam, 4bbl Qjet, Cast pistons, 2 bolt main caps, "Pink" Rods, #0014 Blocks & #993 heads. Power output ranges from 300HP(gross) down to 175HP(net).

The L48 was the standard engine in the 1971 Chevrolet Corvette. It produced 270 hp (201 kW) and 360 ft·lbf (477 N·m) with an 8.5:1 compression ratio.

The 1976-1979 L48 was the standard Corvette engine and produced 180 hp (134 kW) and 270 ft·lbf (366 N·m). The 1980 L48 stood at 190 hp (142 kW) and 280 ft·lbf (380 N·m) from 8.2:1 compression.

In 1973 the "L-48" had cold air induction (throttle activated) and developed 190 hp (net). Beginning in 1974 the hp was reduced for several years until it reached a low of 165 (net) in 1975, before rising again.

L82

Years: 1973-1980

The 1973-1974 L82 was a "performance" version of the 350 producing 250 hp (186 kW) and 285 ft·lbf (386 N·m) from 9:1 compression. It was down to 205 hp (153 kW) and 255 ft·lbf (346 N·m) for 1975. It was the optional engine again in 1976-1977, producing 5 hp (4 kW) more. The 1978 L82 recovered somewhat, producing 220 hp (164 kW) and 260 ft·lbf (353 N·m), and 5 hp (4 kW) and 10 ft·lbf (14 N·m) more for 1979. 1980 saw another 10 hp (7.5 kW) and 15 ft·lbf (20 N·m).

L81

Years: 1981

The L81 was the only 350 Corvette engine for 1981. It produced 190 hp (142 kW) and 280 ft·lbf (380 N·m) from 8.2:1 compression, exactly the same as the 1980 L48, but added computer control spark advance, replacing the vacuum advance. The L81 is the exact same as any ordinary 350 5.7L ci gm motor.

L83

Years: 1982, 1984

The 1982 L83 was again the only Corvette engine (and only available with an automatic transmission) producing 200 hp (150 kW) and 285 ft·lbf (386 N·m) from 9:1 compression. This was again the only engine on the new 1984 Vette, at 205 hp (153 kW) and 290 ft·lbf (393 N·m). The L83 added Cross-Fire fuel injection (twin throttle-body fuel injection).

[L98

    For the new Generation IV V8, see GM L98.

Years: 1985-1992

The new 1985 L98 added tuned-port fuel injection "TPI", which produced 230 hp (172 kW) and 330 ft·lbf (447 N·m). It was standard on all 1985-1991 Corvettes (rated at 230-250 hp and 330-350ft·lbf torque). Optional on 87-92 Chevrolet Camaro & Pontiac Firebird models (rated at 225-245 hp and 330-345ft·lbf torque) 1987 versions had 10 hp (7.5 kW) and 15 ft·lbf (20 N·m) more thanks to 9.5:1 compression. Compression was up again in 1991 to 10:1 but output stayed the same.

LM1

The LM1 is the base 350 with a 4-barrel carburetor (usually with a Rochester Quadrajet) in passenger cars until 1988. Throughout its lifespan, it received either a points, electronic, and/or computer-controlled spark system, to conventional and feedback carburetors.

LM1s were superseded with the LO5 powerplant after 1988.

L05

The L05 was introduced in 1987 for use in Chevrolet/GMC trucks in both the GMT400 (introduced in April 1987 as 1988 models) and the R/V series trucks such as the K5 Blazer, Suburban, and rounded-era pickups formerly classed as the C/K until 1996 which includes chassis cabs and 4-door crew cabs. Although usage was for trucks, vans, and 9C1-optioned Caprices, the L05 was also used with the following vehicles:

    * 1992/1993 Buick Roadmaster sedan and station wagon
    * 1991/1992 Cadillac Brougham (optional engine)
    * 1993 Cadillac Fleetwood
    * 1992/1993 Chevrolet Caprice Wagon (optional engine)
    * 1993 Chevrolet Caprice LTZ
    * 1992 Oldsmobile Custom Cruiser Wagon (optional engine)

L05 usage was replaced by the GM LT1 after 1993 in GM B-Bodies until production ceased in 1996.

In mid 1996 the L05 was equipped with Vortec heads used in the 1996 G30.

L31

The L31 replaced the LO5 in 1996 - known as the Vortec 5700. Known as the GEN 1+, this was the final incarnation of the 1955-vintage small block, ending production in 2005 with the last vehicle being a Kodiak/Topkick HD truck. Volvo Penta and Mercury Marine still produces the L31 to this day. The "MARINE" intake is a potential upgrade for L31 trucks.

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: Badfinger-fan on 05/22/08 at 1:43 pm


Something else I just thought of....while it is a sin and dehumaniing to hate, or even dislike, women...hating men is perfectly acceptable.

And also, if something is insulting, or offensive, to women, like "Sex & the City", it becomes an issue, but if something is offensive to men, like sat "Two and a Half Men", no one cares.

And, to answer an earlier poster, when a woman has self-esteem, she is EMPOWERED...but when a man has self-esteem, he is an arrogant, mysogynist, cheavunistic bastard!!
Shut up & go fix me a turkey pot pie!

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: AL-B Mk. III on 05/22/08 at 1:49 pm


Shut up & go fix me a turkey pot pie!


Yeah and after you're done fixing his turkey pot pie, why don't you go outside and tune up the engine on my old Plymouth Valiant!

(Here's some information that'll help get you started:)

A BRIEF HISTORY OF THE CHRYSLER SLANT-6.


The Slant-6, known within Chrysler as the G-engine, is one of Chrysler's two best known automobile engines, along with the Hemi V8. The engine is an inline-6 piston engine specifically designed such that the cylinders are inclined at a 30-degree angle from vertical. The 30° inclination of the Slant-6 gave a lower height overall engine package, which enabled vehicle stylists to lower hoodlines, and also made room for the water pump to be mounted with a significant lateral offset, significantly shortening the engine's overall length. In addition, the slanted cylinder block provided ample space under the hood for intake and exhaust manifolds with runners of longer and more nearly equal length compared to the "rake" or "log" style manifolds found on other inline engines. These manifolds give a more even cylinder-to-cylinder fuel distribution and are less restrictive for better airflow through the engine.

The engine was introduced in two sizes in 1960: The 170  in³ (2.8 L) "LG" (Low-G, referring to the relatively short engine block casting and crankshaft stroke) in the Valiant, and the 225  in³ (3.7 L) "RG" (Raised-G, referring to the relatively tall engine block casting and crankshaft stroke) in full-size Plymouth and Dodge Dart models. In 1960, the engine was referred to by Plymouth division as the "30-D Economy Six" engine, the "30-D" referring to the 30° cylinder block angle.

The G-engine was offered in various configurations in the North American market until 1983 in cars, 1987 in trucks, and 1991 for marine, agricultural and industrial use. Replacement engines were still being built in Mexico as of 2000. In addition, the G-engine was used extensively by worldwide Chrysler divisions and subsidiaries in their locally-produced vehicles. It was also widely purchased by other original equipment manufacturers for installation in commercial vehicles, agricultural and industrial equipment, and boats.

The G-engine gained an enviable reputation for reliability and nearly unstoppable durability. The basic engine design incorporates much heavy-duty engineering, in part because the engine was designed from the start to be made of either iron or aluminum: The block is of a deep-skirt design, with the crankshaft axis well above the oil pan rails for structural rigidity. Although only four main bearings are used, they are of the same dimensions as those in the Hemi. Very efficient cooling and lubrication systems, a favorable rod ratio, and an extremely strong forged steel crankshaft (on engines made through mid-1976) all contributed to the engine's apparent indestructibility. In addition, the G-engine also provided better performance than most of its competition in the 1960s and 1970s. By the 1980s, the G-engine had been effectively strangled by continual addition of increasingly-restrictive exhaust emission control devices, without upgrades to the combustion chamber design, piston displacement or induction system, all of which were by that time quite antiquated. G-engine use in passenger cars was rapidly phased out in the early 1980s as Chrysler Corporation shifted to front wheel drive architecture.

Significant production changes

    * The combustion chamber shape was slightly modified for 1967 to promote more complete combustion and reduce exhaust emission toxicity.
    * All G engines used forged steel crankshafts until the middle of model year 1976, when a less costly cast iron crankshaft was introduced. The cast crankshaft uses a different block, different main and connecting rod bearings and different connecting rods.
    * The counterbore in the rear flange of the crankshaft was 1¼" diameter until 1967. For 1968, it was enlarged to 1½". This difference has implications when swapping engines and automatic transmissions across this date line.
    * All G-engines used solid valve lifters through the 1980 model year, with the exception of a small production test of hydraulic lifters in the 1978 model year. For model year 1981, all North American G-engines received top-fed hydraulic lifters. Retrofitment in both directions is possible.
    * Emission control devices and systems, carburetor make and specification, and engine assembly details changed over the years to comply with market requirements and preferences.
    * Electronic ignition, which had been made available on V8 engines late in 1971, was made standard equipment on all engines including the RG in 1973.
    * Induction-hardened exhaust valve seats and upgraded exhaust valves were made standard in 1973 to withstand prolonged operation on no-lead fuel.

Configuration variants

Different displacements

170 in³

The 170  in³ (2.8 L) slant-6 engine was offered in model years 1960 through 1969 in North America, and through 1971 for export markets. The first vehicle to offer the 170 slant-6 was the 1960 Valiant. The engine has a bore of 3.40" (86 mm) and a stroke of 3.125" (79 mm). The "LG" low-deck block was unique to the 170 engine.

198 in³

The 198  in³ (3.2 L) slant-6 was introduced in the North American market for model year 1970 as a more powerful base-model engine than the previous 170  in³ base engine. The increased displacement gave improved base-model vehicle performance and lower manufacturing cost, for it was achieved by installing a crankshaft with 3.64" (92.5 mm) stroke into the tall RG block also used with the 225  in³ (3.7 L) version of the engine. In this manner, manufacturing costs were eliminated that had been caused by previously using two different blocks for the two different available sizes of slant-6 engine. The 198 engine was available through the 1974 model year.

225 in³

The 225  in³ (3.7 L) Slant-6 used the RG (tall) block with a 3.40" (86 mm) bore and a 4.125" (105 mm) stroke. This undersquare geometry was a departure from the emerging trend towards oversquare engines, and gave the 225 exceptionally strong low-RPM torque characteristics. The large amount of torque available at low RPMs caused the 225 to find favor not only as a responsive and driveable passenger car engine, but also in pickup and commercial trucks, school buses, motorhomes, forklifts, harvesters, swathers from the likes of John Deere, airplane tugs, and powerboats The 225 was originally designed and introduced in 1960 for use in full-size models, and it eventually became the best known of the Slant Six engines.

Aluminum-block 225 in³

Between late model year 1961 and early model year 1963, approximately 52,000 die-cast aluminum RG blocks were produced and installed in passenger cars. These open-deck blocks used integrally-cast high-Nickel iron cylinder liners, and bolt-in iron upper and lower main bearing caps. Internal components (crank, rods, pistons, etc.) were the same as used in the iron engine, and an iron cylinder head was used with a special copper-asbestos gasket. The aluminum block weighs about 80 lb (36 kg) less than the iron RG block.

High performance variants

Most G-engines were equipped with small-capacity carburetors and exhaust systems adequate for standard passenger car usage at low altitudes, but which tended to hamper maximum available performance at high altitudes, in heavy or race-purpose vehicles and/or where quicker acceleration was desired. To meet the demand for improved responsiveness, modified engine configurations were made available in various markets over the years.

Hyper Pak

The Hyper Pak was a parts package made available from 1960 through 1962 at Chrysler Corporation dealer parts counters. The parts were made available to comply with the regulations of sanctioning bodies for racing events in which Valiants had been entered by factory-backed teams: All parts used had to be "stock" parts, the definition of which meant that they were available through normal factory parts channels. The Hyper Pak consisted of a very-long-ram intake manifold meant to accept a Carter AFB 4-barrel carburetor, the AFB carburetor itself and an appropriate air cleaner, dual (front-3 and rear-3) cast iron exhaust headers, a large-diameter exhaust Y-pipe to connect to these dual cast iron headers, a larger muffler, a 276°-duration camshaft with appropriate valve springs and pushrods, a heavier-duty clutch, a manual choke control, a starter motor modification template and, in the full-race version of the package, high-compression pistons designed to increase the engine's compression ratio to 10.5 from the stock 8.5. The Hyper Pak was recommended for installation only on vehicles equipped with manual transmissions, for the camshaft was of such characteristics that a high idle speed was required to prevent engine stall-out. The Hyper Pak was primarily intended for competition driving, its road manners involving rough idling and poor cold-engine driveability, a high power band and poor fuel economy. But, in competition events, it proved unbeatable. Eight factory-backed Valiants entered the 1960 NASCAR compact car race at Daytona Beach, and humbled the competition; the Valiants came in first through eighth. After a similar performance the following year, the race was dropped. A high-fidelity reproduction of the Hyper Pak intake manifold was created by noted Slant-6 builder Doug Dutra in the late 1990s; subsequently the tooling was sold to a marketer of performance equipment for inline six-cylinder engines.

Multiple carburetors

For the 1965-1968 model years, Chrysler Argentina equipped Valiant GT models with a system of dual 1-barrel carburetors and other engine specification changes. Claimed output was 180 bhp (134 kW), compared to the single-carburetor version of the engine producing 145 bhp (108 kW).

2-barrel carburetion

Export 2-barrel setup
Air cleaner decal from Australian-market 1967-'70 2bbl Slant-6 installed on US-market 1976-'79 2bbl setup
Air cleaner decal from Australian-market 1967-'70 2bbl Slant-6 installed on US-market 1976-'79 2bbl setup

For the 1967 model year, a 2-barrel carburetor setup was released for export production. This configuration, similar to that found on marine G-engines beginning in 1965, consisted of an iron intake manifold with open-plenum 2-barrel carburetor mounting pad, a Carter BBD carburetor, and associated air cleaner, linkage and plumbing changes. Also installed on these export 2-barrel engines was a slightly hotter camshaft (244° duration rather than 240°), and a distributor with modified advance curves. This engine, rated at 160 bhp (120 kW), was popular in Central and South America, South Africa, Australia and New Zealand. Driveability characteristics were generally superior to those of the 1-barrel engine, but to avoid cutting into sales of the more expensive V8 engine, this 2-barrel setup was not offered in the North American market. Of particular note is the automatic choke design found in this export 2-barrel setup. Most Chrysler products used remote automatic chokes, with a bimetal coil spring mounted on the exhaust manifold, exposed to exhaust heat and operating a pushrod which rotated the choke lever on the carburetor. The export 2-barrel setup used an integral heat-tube style automatic choke: Air heated by the exhaust manifold was routed to a round bakelite housing on the carburetor air horn, which contained a bimetal spring acting directly on the choke lever.

Super Six

By the mid 1970s in the North American market, emission control regulations were reducing engine performance at the same time as safety regulations were making cars heavier. An increase in performance was required for the G-engine, so a 2-barrel setup was released for the 1976 model year. This was not the same as the export 2-barrel package described above; the intake manifold used a throttle-bored plenum rather than an open one, and had provisions for an EGR valve. The carburetor, a Carter BBD similar but not identical to the one used on Chrysler's 318 V8 engine, used a standard Chrysler-style remote automatic choke. A 2¼-inch exhaust headpipe was also provided, as well as 2bbl-specific advance curves in the ignition distributor. This package, called "Super Six" by the marketing division, added between 10 and 15% to the engine's horsepower and significantly improved throttle response and driveability while maintaining compliance with emission laws.

Aftermarket

Many companies have provided aftermarket performance equipment for the G-engine through the years. A surprisingly wide selection of camshafts, intake manifolds and carburetion setups, ignition components, internal engine parts and accessories are still available on today's market.

Applications

Passenger cars, trucks, vans
Cars, trucks and vans using G- and RG-engines

    * Chrysler LeBaron
    * Dodge Aspen
    * Dodge Challenger
    * Dodge Charger
    * Dodge Coronet
    * Dodge Dart
    * Dodge Diplomat
    * Dodge Lancer
    * Dodge Mirada
    * Dodge Monaco
    * Dodge Polara
    * Dodge Ram
    * Dodge St. Regis
    * A-series truck and van
    * D-series truck and van
    * W-series 4WD truck
    * Plymouth Barracuda
    * Plymouth Belvedere
    * Plymouth Duster
    * Plymouth Fury
    * Plymouth Satellite
    * Plymouth Valiant
    * Plymouth Volaré


Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: Step-chan on 05/22/08 at 2:25 pm


Something else I just thought of....while it is a sin and dehumaniing to hate, or even dislike, women...hating men is perfectly acceptable.

And also, if something is insulting, or offensive, to women, like "Sex & the City", it becomes an issue, but if something is offensive to men, like sat "Two and a Half Men", no one cares.

And, to answer an earlier poster, when a woman has self-esteem, she is EMPOWERED...but when a man has self-esteem, he is an arrogant, mysogynist, cheavunistic bastard!!


Which would be my post.

I feel even smarter now because of this post. But not in the way you intended. ;D

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: AL-B Mk. III on 05/22/08 at 2:41 pm


Which would be my post.

I feel even smarter now because of this post. But not in the way you intended. ;D


You ought to be ashamed of yourself, you arrogant, misogynist, chauvinistic bastard!  ;)

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: Step-chan on 05/22/08 at 2:44 pm


You ought to be ashamed of yourself, you arrogant, misogynist, chauvinistic bastard!  ;)




;)

I wonder if there is a scientific term for man hater?

There has to be, if there is one for woman hater. (Fairs fair) :D

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: whistledog on 05/22/08 at 2:52 pm

I can give you two reasons why women are better than men ...

( . Y . )

:D

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: Step-chan on 05/22/08 at 2:53 pm


I can give you two reasons why women are better than men ...

( . Y . )

:D


:D

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: bookmistress4ever on 05/22/08 at 5:58 pm


Shut up & go fix me a turkey pot pie!


;D

Kinda reminds me of that 70s song by Tompall Glaser

Put another log on the fire.
Cook me up some bacon and some beans.
And go out to the car and change the tyre.
Wash my socks and sew my old blue jeans.
Come on, baby, you can fill my pipe,
And then go fetch my slippers.
And boil me up another pot of tea.
Then put another log on the fire, babe,
And come and tell me why you're leaving me.

Now don't I let you wash the car on Sunday?
Don't I warn you when you're gettin fat?
Ain't I a-gonna take you fishin' with me someday?
Well, a man can't love a woman more than that.
Ain't I always nice to your kid sister?
Don't I take her driving every night?
So, sit here at my feet 'cos I like you when you're sweet,
And you know it ain't feminine to fight.

So, put another log on the fire.
Cook me up some bacon and some beans.
Go out to the car and lift it up and change the tyre.
Wash my socks and sew my old blue jeans.
Come on, baby, you can fill my pipe,
And then go fetch my slippers.
And boil me up another pot of tea.
Then put another log on the fire, babe,
And come and tell me why you're leaving me.

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: Jessica on 05/22/08 at 6:47 pm


I can give you two reasons why women are better than men ...

( . Y . )

:D


Hey, I don't have square nipples! :D


;D

Kinda reminds me of that 70s song by Tompall Glaser

Put another log on the fire.
Cook me up some bacon and some beans.
And go out to the car and change the tyre.
Wash my socks and sew my old blue jeans.
Come on, baby, you can fill my pipe,
And then go fetch my slippers.
And boil me up another pot of tea.
Then put another log on the fire, babe,
And come and tell me why you're leaving me.

Now don't I let you wash the car on Sunday?
Don't I warn you when you're gettin fat?
Ain't I a-gonna take you fishin' with me someday?
Well, a man can't love a woman more than that.
Ain't I always nice to your kid sister?
Don't I take her driving every night?
So, sit here at my feet 'cos I like you when you're sweet,
And you know it ain't feminine to fight.

So, put another log on the fire.
Cook me up some bacon and some beans.
Go out to the car and lift it up and change the tyre.
Wash my socks and sew my old blue jeans.
Come on, baby, you can fill my pipe,
And then go fetch my slippers.
And boil me up another pot of tea.
Then put another log on the fire, babe,
And come and tell me why you're leaving me.



That's so wrong, but so funny. ;D

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: whistledog on 05/22/08 at 6:50 pm


Hey, I don't have square nipples! :D


I think we're going to need some proof ;D :D

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: MaxwellSmart on 05/22/08 at 8:25 pm

Hey, if we men could have babies we wouldn't neet you women!

We could go on and on and on about engine blocks and never change our drawers!
:-\\

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: bookmistress4ever on 05/22/08 at 8:27 pm


never change our drawers!



ewww  8-P  ;D

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: Bobby on 05/22/08 at 8:42 pm


^ ;D

I think the original poster just needs to get laid.


I thought the same thing if it was a legitimate poster.  ;D

I think sex will sort her out.

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: Green Lantern on 05/22/08 at 8:51 pm


Hey, if we men could have babies we wouldn't neet you women!

We could go on and on and on about engine blocks and never change our drawers!
:-\\



Be fair !  I change mine at least once a week.  The same product that ends up in 'MC Hammer's Pants'  :D

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: Step-chan on 05/22/08 at 9:01 pm


I thought the same thing if it was a legitimate poster.  ;D

I think sex will sort her out.


Unless she's just a misandrist. :D ;)

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: Jessica on 05/22/08 at 9:12 pm


I think we're going to need some proof ;D :D


I don't think that's ChuckyG approved. ;D

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: Green Lantern on 05/22/08 at 9:13 pm



Be fair !  I change mine at least once a week.  The same product that ends up in 'MC Hammer's Pants'  :D


Free plug. I can guarantee that the thread 'I like to move it in MC hammer's pants' .... is quite smelly ... especially after I've off-loaded into the thread !






:D

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: Davester on 05/22/08 at 10:41 pm


  Joanne can pop her thumb out of it's socket, or something.  It's definatley cool and kind of disgusting...

  I can't.  She's better...

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: Jessica on 05/22/08 at 11:02 pm


  Joanne can pop her thumb out of it's socket, or something.  It's definatley cool and kind of disgusting...

  I can't.  She's better...


I can do that with my shoulder.

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: AL-B Mk. III on 05/23/08 at 2:51 am


Hey, if we men could have babies we wouldn't neet you women!

We could go on and on and on about engine blocks and never change our drawers!
:-\\


Well, I've never changed an engine block.

And I never change my drawers either.

Since about 1997, I've worn the same pair. I just keep turning them inside out and shaking them to air them out.  :o

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: CatwomanofV on 05/23/08 at 9:50 am


;D

Kinda reminds me of that 70s song by Tompall Glaser

Put another log on the fire.
Cook me up some bacon and some beans.
And go out to the car and change the tyre.
Wash my socks and sew my old blue jeans.
Come on, baby, you can fill my pipe,
And then go fetch my slippers.
And boil me up another pot of tea.
Then put another log on the fire, babe,
And come and tell me why you're leaving me.

Now don't I let you wash the car on Sunday?
Don't I warn you when you're gettin fat?
Ain't I a-gonna take you fishin' with me someday?
Well, a man can't love a woman more than that.
Ain't I always nice to your kid sister?
Don't I take her driving every night?
So, sit here at my feet 'cos I like you when you're sweet,
And you know it ain't feminine to fight.

So, put another log on the fire.
Cook me up some bacon and some beans.
Go out to the car and lift it up and change the tyre.
Wash my socks and sew my old blue jeans.
Come on, baby, you can fill my pipe,
And then go fetch my slippers.
And boil me up another pot of tea.
Then put another log on the fire, babe,
And come and tell me why you're leaving me.




I learned that song sitting on the top of a ferris wheel at Great Adventure when I was 16 on a class trip. I can't help but smile every time I hear that song because it does bring back really good memories of that day.



Cat

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: Gis on 05/23/08 at 10:35 am


Well, I've never changed an engine block.

And I never change my drawers either.

Since about 1997, I've worn the same pair. I just keep turning them inside out and shaking them to air them out.  :o
I'm surprused they don't shatter when you shake them.  8-P

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: Mr Tumnus on 05/23/08 at 12:35 pm


  ;D Some girls' mothers are bigger than other girls' mothers... ;D


HAHAHA!!

;D ;D

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: AL-B Mk. III on 05/23/08 at 1:32 pm


I'm surprused they don't shatter when you shake them.  8-P


Nah, I just take them off each night before I go to bed, then I throw them at the ceiling and they stick there.

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: MaxwellSmart on 05/23/08 at 7:41 pm


'Some girls are bigger than others'

MORRISSEY

As Anthony said to Cleopatra as he opened a crate of ale...
;)

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: Reynolds1863 on 05/23/08 at 10:30 pm


Shut up & go fix me a turkey pot pie!


You forgot the the "two magic words".  "NOW WENCH!!!"

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: Reynolds1863 on 05/23/08 at 10:33 pm


Yeah and after you're done fixing his turkey pot pie, why don't you go outside and tune up the engine on my old Plymouth Valiant!

(Here's some information that'll help get you started:)

A BRIEF HISTORY OF THE CHRYSLER SLANT-6.


The Slant-6, known within Chrysler as the G-engine, is one of Chrysler's two best known automobile engines, along with the Hemi V8. The engine is an inline-6 piston engine specifically designed such that the cylinders are inclined at a 30-degree angle from vertical. The 30° inclination of the Slant-6 gave a lower height overall engine package, which enabled vehicle stylists to lower hoodlines, and also made room for the water pump to be mounted with a significant lateral offset, significantly shortening the engine's overall length. In addition, the slanted cylinder block provided ample space under the hood for intake and exhaust manifolds with runners of longer and more nearly equal length compared to the "rake" or "log" style manifolds found on other inline engines. These manifolds give a more even cylinder-to-cylinder fuel distribution and are less restrictive for better airflow through the engine.

The engine was introduced in two sizes in 1960: The 170  in³ (2.8 L) "LG" (Low-G, referring to the relatively short engine block casting and crankshaft stroke) in the Valiant, and the 225  in³ (3.7 L) "RG" (Raised-G, referring to the relatively tall engine block casting and crankshaft stroke) in full-size Plymouth and Dodge Dart models. In 1960, the engine was referred to by Plymouth division as the "30-D Economy Six" engine, the "30-D" referring to the 30° cylinder block angle.

The G-engine was offered in various configurations in the North American market until 1983 in cars, 1987 in trucks, and 1991 for marine, agricultural and industrial use. Replacement engines were still being built in Mexico as of 2000. In addition, the G-engine was used extensively by worldwide Chrysler divisions and subsidiaries in their locally-produced vehicles. It was also widely purchased by other original equipment manufacturers for installation in commercial vehicles, agricultural and industrial equipment, and boats.

The G-engine gained an enviable reputation for reliability and nearly unstoppable durability. The basic engine design incorporates much heavy-duty engineering, in part because the engine was designed from the start to be made of either iron or aluminum: The block is of a deep-skirt design, with the crankshaft axis well above the oil pan rails for structural rigidity. Although only four main bearings are used, they are of the same dimensions as those in the Hemi. Very efficient cooling and lubrication systems, a favorable rod ratio, and an extremely strong forged steel crankshaft (on engines made through mid-1976) all contributed to the engine's apparent indestructibility. In addition, the G-engine also provided better performance than most of its competition in the 1960s and 1970s. By the 1980s, the G-engine had been effectively strangled by continual addition of increasingly-restrictive exhaust emission control devices, without upgrades to the combustion chamber design, piston displacement or induction system, all of which were by that time quite antiquated. G-engine use in passenger cars was rapidly phased out in the early 1980s as Chrysler Corporation shifted to front wheel drive architecture.

Significant production changes

    * The combustion chamber shape was slightly modified for 1967 to promote more complete combustion and reduce exhaust emission toxicity.
    * All G engines used forged steel crankshafts until the middle of model year 1976, when a less costly cast iron crankshaft was introduced. The cast crankshaft uses a different block, different main and connecting rod bearings and different connecting rods.
    * The counterbore in the rear flange of the crankshaft was 1¼" diameter until 1967. For 1968, it was enlarged to 1½". This difference has implications when swapping engines and automatic transmissions across this date line.
    * All G-engines used solid valve lifters through the 1980 model year, with the exception of a small production test of hydraulic lifters in the 1978 model year. For model year 1981, all North American G-engines received top-fed hydraulic lifters. Retrofitment in both directions is possible.
    * Emission control devices and systems, carburetor make and specification, and engine assembly details changed over the years to comply with market requirements and preferences.
    * Electronic ignition, which had been made available on V8 engines late in 1971, was made standard equipment on all engines including the RG in 1973.
    * Induction-hardened exhaust valve seats and upgraded exhaust valves were made standard in 1973 to withstand prolonged operation on no-lead fuel.

Configuration variants

Different displacements

170 in³

The 170  in³ (2.8 L) slant-6 engine was offered in model years 1960 through 1969 in North America, and through 1971 for export markets. The first vehicle to offer the 170 slant-6 was the 1960 Valiant. The engine has a bore of 3.40" (86 mm) and a stroke of 3.125" (79 mm). The "LG" low-deck block was unique to the 170 engine.

198 in³

The 198  in³ (3.2 L) slant-6 was introduced in the North American market for model year 1970 as a more powerful base-model engine than the previous 170  in³ base engine. The increased displacement gave improved base-model vehicle performance and lower manufacturing cost, for it was achieved by installing a crankshaft with 3.64" (92.5 mm) stroke into the tall RG block also used with the 225  in³ (3.7 L) version of the engine. In this manner, manufacturing costs were eliminated that had been caused by previously using two different blocks for the two different available sizes of slant-6 engine. The 198 engine was available through the 1974 model year.

225 in³

The 225  in³ (3.7 L) Slant-6 used the RG (tall) block with a 3.40" (86 mm) bore and a 4.125" (105 mm) stroke. This undersquare geometry was a departure from the emerging trend towards oversquare engines, and gave the 225 exceptionally strong low-RPM torque characteristics. The large amount of torque available at low RPMs caused the 225 to find favor not only as a responsive and driveable passenger car engine, but also in pickup and commercial trucks, school buses, motorhomes, forklifts, harvesters, swathers from the likes of John Deere, airplane tugs, and powerboats The 225 was originally designed and introduced in 1960 for use in full-size models, and it eventually became the best known of the Slant Six engines.

Aluminum-block 225 in³

Between late model year 1961 and early model year 1963, approximately 52,000 die-cast aluminum RG blocks were produced and installed in passenger cars. These open-deck blocks used integrally-cast high-Nickel iron cylinder liners, and bolt-in iron upper and lower main bearing caps. Internal components (crank, rods, pistons, etc.) were the same as used in the iron engine, and an iron cylinder head was used with a special copper-asbestos gasket. The aluminum block weighs about 80 lb (36 kg) less than the iron RG block.

High performance variants

Most G-engines were equipped with small-capacity carburetors and exhaust systems adequate for standard passenger car usage at low altitudes, but which tended to hamper maximum available performance at high altitudes, in heavy or race-purpose vehicles and/or where quicker acceleration was desired. To meet the demand for improved responsiveness, modified engine configurations were made available in various markets over the years.

Hyper Pak

The Hyper Pak was a parts package made available from 1960 through 1962 at Chrysler Corporation dealer parts counters. The parts were made available to comply with the regulations of sanctioning bodies for racing events in which Valiants had been entered by factory-backed teams: All parts used had to be "stock" parts, the definition of which meant that they were available through normal factory parts channels. The Hyper Pak consisted of a very-long-ram intake manifold meant to accept a Carter AFB 4-barrel carburetor, the AFB carburetor itself and an appropriate air cleaner, dual (front-3 and rear-3) cast iron exhaust headers, a large-diameter exhaust Y-pipe to connect to these dual cast iron headers, a larger muffler, a 276°-duration camshaft with appropriate valve springs and pushrods, a heavier-duty clutch, a manual choke control, a starter motor modification template and, in the full-race version of the package, high-compression pistons designed to increase the engine's compression ratio to 10.5 from the stock 8.5. The Hyper Pak was recommended for installation only on vehicles equipped with manual transmissions, for the camshaft was of such characteristics that a high idle speed was required to prevent engine stall-out. The Hyper Pak was primarily intended for competition driving, its road manners involving rough idling and poor cold-engine driveability, a high power band and poor fuel economy. But, in competition events, it proved unbeatable. Eight factory-backed Valiants entered the 1960 NASCAR compact car race at Daytona Beach, and humbled the competition; the Valiants came in first through eighth. After a similar performance the following year, the race was dropped. A high-fidelity reproduction of the Hyper Pak intake manifold was created by noted Slant-6 builder Doug Dutra in the late 1990s; subsequently the tooling was sold to a marketer of performance equipment for inline six-cylinder engines.

Multiple carburetors

For the 1965-1968 model years, Chrysler Argentina equipped Valiant GT models with a system of dual 1-barrel carburetors and other engine specification changes. Claimed output was 180 bhp (134 kW), compared to the single-carburetor version of the engine producing 145 bhp (108 kW).

2-barrel carburetion

Export 2-barrel setup
Air cleaner decal from Australian-market 1967-'70 2bbl Slant-6 installed on US-market 1976-'79 2bbl setup
Air cleaner decal from Australian-market 1967-'70 2bbl Slant-6 installed on US-market 1976-'79 2bbl setup

For the 1967 model year, a 2-barrel carburetor setup was released for export production. This configuration, similar to that found on marine G-engines beginning in 1965, consisted of an iron intake manifold with open-plenum 2-barrel carburetor mounting pad, a Carter BBD carburetor, and associated air cleaner, linkage and plumbing changes. Also installed on these export 2-barrel engines was a slightly hotter camshaft (244° duration rather than 240°), and a distributor with modified advance curves. This engine, rated at 160 bhp (120 kW), was popular in Central and South America, South Africa, Australia and New Zealand. Driveability characteristics were generally superior to those of the 1-barrel engine, but to avoid cutting into sales of the more expensive V8 engine, this 2-barrel setup was not offered in the North American market. Of particular note is the automatic choke design found in this export 2-barrel setup. Most Chrysler products used remote automatic chokes, with a bimetal coil spring mounted on the exhaust manifold, exposed to exhaust heat and operating a pushrod which rotated the choke lever on the carburetor. The export 2-barrel setup used an integral heat-tube style automatic choke: Air heated by the exhaust manifold was routed to a round bakelite housing on the carburetor air horn, which contained a bimetal spring acting directly on the choke lever.

Super Six

By the mid 1970s in the North American market, emission control regulations were reducing engine performance at the same time as safety regulations were making cars heavier. An increase in performance was required for the G-engine, so a 2-barrel setup was released for the 1976 model year. This was not the same as the export 2-barrel package described above; the intake manifold used a throttle-bored plenum rather than an open one, and had provisions for an EGR valve. The carburetor, a Carter BBD similar but not identical to the one used on Chrysler's 318 V8 engine, used a standard Chrysler-style remote automatic choke. A 2¼-inch exhaust headpipe was also provided, as well as 2bbl-specific advance curves in the ignition distributor. This package, called "Super Six" by the marketing division, added between 10 and 15% to the engine's horsepower and significantly improved throttle response and driveability while maintaining compliance with emission laws.

Aftermarket

Many companies have provided aftermarket performance equipment for the G-engine through the years. A surprisingly wide selection of camshafts, intake manifolds and carburetion setups, ignition components, internal engine parts and accessories are still available on today's market.

Applications

Passenger cars, trucks, vans
Cars, trucks and vans using G- and RG-engines

    * Chrysler LeBaron
    * Dodge Aspen
    * Dodge Challenger
    * Dodge Charger
    * Dodge Coronet
    * Dodge Dart
    * Dodge Diplomat
    * Dodge Lancer
    * Dodge Mirada
    * Dodge Monaco
    * Dodge Polara
    * Dodge Ram
    * Dodge St. Regis
    * A-series truck and van
    * D-series truck and van
    * W-series 4WD truck
    * Plymouth Barracuda
    * Plymouth Belvedere
    * Plymouth Duster
    * Plymouth Fury
    * Plymouth Satellite
    * Plymouth Valiant
    * Plymouth Volaré





*sigh*  She doesn't even know what a socket wrench is.  You're giving her too much credit.

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: Reynolds1863 on 05/23/08 at 10:51 pm


Hey, if we men could have babies we wouldn't neet you women!

We could go on and on and on about engine blocks and never change our drawers!
:-\\


Oh no. . . http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd293/MrsRoryWeasley/Other/Smilies/Millan%20Smilies/run2.gif

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: Badfinger-fan on 05/24/08 at 3:01 am


You forgot the the "two magic words".  "NOW WENCH!!!"

whoops,  I'm slipping  ::)  thanks Kath

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: Mr Tumnus on 05/24/08 at 11:25 am

n remember women can multi-task

;D
;D
;D

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: Step-chan on 05/24/08 at 5:35 pm


n remember women can multi-task

;D
;D
;D


I can to, it just depends on what I used to doing more of at once. ;D :D ;)

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: Macphisto on 05/24/08 at 5:42 pm


First...while men beating up, or even putting their hands anywhere on women is 100% unethical and wrong and ILLEGAL, women doing the same thing is not only allowed, but COOL!!

Second, the woman always wears the pants in the relationship.  When we want to go out with our girlfriends anytime we want, shop whenever we want, party well into the night whenever we want...you GUYS are stuck in the house doing what we tell you and you are not allowed to see any of your buddies ever again.

When men murder their wive they are monsters and given life in prison, but when women murder our husbands, it's chic and cool.

The world values women's health over men's.  Let's face, a majority of the world could give two flying f%cks if you males die out!!

When women are confident, self-assured and self-sufficient, it's great...not quite the same for you BOYZ!!!!

When a woman chooses her girlfriends over a guy, it's honorable...but when you guys choose your guyfriends over your woman, you are a bastard!

Women look hot in men's suits...men look stupid in dresses!

Women are allowed to cheat on their men!

Need I say more?!?!?! ;)


Reverse most of these, and you'll see what life is like in much of the Islamic World.

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: Green Lantern on 05/24/08 at 5:46 pm


n remember women can multi-task

;D
;D
;D


I'm absolutely hopeless at multi-tasking.  :-[  But wait ! Yes  8)  ..... I CAN watch porn ..... and do 'something' else  :o  at the SAME time !  :D

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: Step-chan on 05/24/08 at 5:52 pm


I'm absolutely hopeless at multi-tasking.  :-[   But wait ! Yes  8)  ..... I CAN watch porn ..... and do 'something' else   :o   at the SAME time !  :D


I can play a game and use the computer at the same time! ;)

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: Reynolds1863 on 05/24/08 at 9:59 pm


whoops,  I'm slipping  ::)  thanks Kath




You're welcome.  Every once in awhile someone has to remind you that it is within your nature to be demanding.  Wouldn't want you to become sensitive. *blah*

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: AL-B Mk. III on 05/25/08 at 1:44 am

Come on, "Debbie," we're waiting to hear more.

You're nowhere even close to being the greatest troll these boards have ever seen.

That honor would have to go to "gumby fan," the kid who, a few years back, begged us all for money to buy him an iPod because his "dumb mom" wouldn't get him one. That kid was awesome!  ;D

You're gonna have to try a lot harder.

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: Green Lantern on 05/25/08 at 5:26 am


Come on, "Debbie," we're waiting to hear more.

You're nowhere even close to being the greatest troll these boards have ever seen.

That honor would have to go to "gumby fan," the kid who, a few years back, begged us all for money to buy him an iPod because his "dumb mom" wouldn't get him one. That kid was awesome!  ;D

You're gonna have to try a lot harder.









'Debbie' ............. he's RIGHT ! You should know better than to take on the 'inthe00s' mob.  Stick to 'Dallas'. When it comes to US ............


you're outta your 'league' !








:P








:D



;D

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: Mr Tumnus on 05/25/08 at 5:42 am


I can to, it just depends on what I used to doing more of at once. ;D :D ;)


http://students.ou.edu/E/Michael.C.Eades-1/shocked_chimp-t.jpg

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: LyricBoy on 05/25/08 at 8:36 am


And, to answer an earlier poster, when a woman has self-esteem, she is EMPOWERED...but when a man has self-esteem, he is an arrogant, mysogynist, cheavunistic bastard!!


True, but if a woman is known to have partied with, say, every member of the rock band "Aerosmith", she is considered to be a "human trampoline".

However if a man (think Bret Michaels) does the dirty with a dozen women at a time, he is admired as a "ladies' man" and a stud.

Advantage... maledom...  :P

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: Tia on 05/25/08 at 8:58 am

this reminds me of a horrible flame war i got into with some radical feminists over at a blog called "shakesville." i dont even wanna go back long enough to link to it but it was over a post called "how feminism works."

example: after i had decided we weren't going to get along i said oh well, too bad we couldn't find common ground. anyway, go lightly. the blogmistress responded with "go f**k yourself." befuddled, i asked her what she meant. she replied that she thought "go lightly" was synonymous with "tread lightly" which meant i was trying to say women shouldn't assert themselves because i was a misogynist. really ridiculous.

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: Step-chan on 05/25/08 at 1:30 pm


http://students.ou.edu/E/Michael.C.Eades-1/shocked_chimp-t.jpg




;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

I was refering to like playing a video game on a console while I was also online, usually have to either use one hand for the controller and one hand for typing.

;) ;) ;) ;) ;)

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: Step-chan on 05/25/08 at 1:34 pm


this reminds me of a horrible flame war i got into with some radical feminists over at a blog called "shakesville." i dont even wanna go back long enough to link to it but it was over a post called "how feminism works."

example: after i had decided we weren't going to get along i said oh well, too bad we couldn't find common ground. anyway, go lightly. the blogmistress responded with "go f**k yourself." befuddled, i asked her what she meant. she replied that she thought "go lightly" was synonymous with "tread lightly" which meant i was trying to say women shouldn't assert themselves because i was a misogynist. really ridiculous.


And she was accusing you of prejudice?  ???

I wonder what Debbie thinks of a gay man cheating on his boyfriend or a gay woman cheating on her girlfriend?

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: MaxwellSmart on 05/25/08 at 1:40 pm


whoops,  I'm slipping   ::)   thanks Kath




John Bender: Stupid, worthless, no good, goddam, freeloading sonofabitch. Retarded, big mouth, know-it-all, a---hole, jerk. You forgot ugly, lazy and disrespectful. Shut up b*tch. Go fix me my turkey pot pie. No dad, what about you? F--- you. No dad, what about you? F--- you. Dad, what about you? F---- you!!!!


True, but if a woman is known to have partied with, say, every member of the rock band "Aerosmith", she is considered to be a "human trampoline".


Aerosmith?  More like "human CDC mobile pathogen depository."
8-P

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: Step-chan on 05/25/08 at 1:45 pm


John Bender: Stupid, worthless, no good, goddam, freeloading sonofabitch. Retarded, big mouth, know-it-all, a---hole, jerk. You forgot ugly, lazy and disrespectful. Shut up b*tch. Go fix me my turkey pot pie. No dad, what about you? F--- you. No dad, what about you? F--- you. Dad, what about you? F---- you!!!!


Breakfast Club!

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: Mr Tumnus on 05/25/08 at 1:56 pm


John Bender: Stupid, worthless, no good, goddam, freeloading sonofabitch. Retarded, big mouth, know-it-all, a---hole, jerk. You forgot ugly, lazy and disrespectful. Shut up b*tch. Go fix me my turkey pot pie. No dad, what about you? F--- you. No dad, what about you? F--- you. Dad, what about you? F---- you!!!!
Aerosmith?  More like "human CDC mobile pathogen depository."
8-P


;D ;D ;D

too funny, something I'd like to say to some people sometimes  :D

Stepchan,  yeah   ;)

;D

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: Step-chan on 05/25/08 at 6:07 pm

^ O0

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: MaxwellSmart on 05/26/08 at 11:47 am


;D ;D ;D

too funny, something I'd like to say to some people sometimes  :D

Stepchan,  yeah   ;)

;D

Arguments with my old man often deteriorated to that point!
::)

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: Foo Bar on 05/26/08 at 8:31 pm

This thing's still alive? 

That's it,

http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/4291/back2thekitchenjy1.png

with all of us!

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: Step-chan on 05/26/08 at 9:58 pm


This thing's still alive? 

That's it,

http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/4291/back2thekitchenjy1.png

with all of us!


Yeah.. but the "you know who" that started it isn't. :D

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: AL-B Mk. III on 05/27/08 at 2:10 am


Yeah.. but the "you know who" that started it isn't. :D


"She's" too big of a coward to come back here.

I'm guessing that "Debbie" is a disgruntled former member who's just trying to stir things up here.


http://www.worldoffail.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/fail2.jpg

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: Step-chan on 05/27/08 at 4:30 pm


"She's" too big of a coward to come back here.

I'm guessing that "Debbie" is a disgruntled former member who's just trying to stir things up here.


http://www.worldoffail.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/fail2.jpg


She kinda of reminds of Dash Jr. from Gamefaqs.

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: La Roche on 05/27/08 at 5:13 pm

... just to provide a feminine touch to the whole issue -



A SHORT HISTORY OF THE CITROEN 2CV -


The Citroën 2CV (French: deux chevaux vapeur, literally "two steam horses", from the tax horsepower rating) was an economy car produced by the French automaker Citroën from 1948 to 1990. It is considered one of their most iconic cars. It was described in the book Drive On!: A Social History of the Motor Car by longtime CAR magazine columnist the late LJK Setright as 'The most intelligent application of minimalism ever to succeed as a car.' It was designed for low cost, simplicity, versatility, reliability, and off-road driving. For this it had a light, easily serviceable engine, extremely soft suspension, high clearance, and for oversized loads a car-wide canvas sunroof. Between 1948 and 1990 3,872,583 2CVs were produced, plus 1,246,306 camionettes (small 2CV trucks), as well as spawning mechanically identical vehicles like the Ami, Dyane, Acadiane, and Mehari.

From 1988 onwards production took place in Portugal rather than in France. This arrangement lasted for two years until 2CV production halted.

The 2CV belongs to a very short list of vehicles introduced right after World War II that remained relevant and competitive for many decades — in the case of the 2CV, 42 years.

Pierre-Jules Boulanger's early 1930s design brief – said by some to be astonishingly radical for the time – was for a low-priced, rugged "umbrella on four wheels" that would enable two peasants to drive 100 kg (220 lb) of farm goods to market at 60 km/h (37 mph), in clogs and across muddy unpaved roads if necessary. France at that time had a very large rural population, who had not yet adopted the automobile, due to its cost. The car would use no more than 3 litres of gasoline to travel 100 km. Most famously, it would be able to drive across a ploughed field without breaking the eggs it was carrying. Boulanger later also had the roof raised to allow him to drive while wearing a hat.

André Lefèbvre was the engineer in charge of the TPV (Très Petite Voiture — "Very Small Car") project. By 1939, the TPV was deemed ready and several prototypes had been built. Those prototypes made use of aluminium and magnesium parts and had water-cooled engines. The seats were hammocks suspended from the roof by wires.

During the German occupation of France during World War II, Michelin (Citroën's main shareholder) and Citroën managers decided to hide the TPV project from the Nazis, fearing some military application. Several TPVs were buried at secret locations, one was disguised as a pickup, and the others were destroyed, and Boulanger had the next six years to think about more improvements. Until 1994, when three TPVs were discovered in a barn, it was believed that only two prototypes had survived. As of 2003, five TPVs are known. For long it was believed that the project was so well hidden that all the prototypes had been lost at the end of the war. It seems that none of the hidden TPVs were lost after the War, but in the 1950s an internal memo ordered them to be scrapped. The surviving TPVs were, in fact, hidden from the top management by some workers who were sensitive to their historical value.

After the war, internal reports at Citroën showed that producing the TPV would not be economically viable, given the rising cost of aluminium in the post-war economy. A decision was made to replace most of the aluminium parts with steel parts. Other changes were made, the most notable being an air-cooled engine, new seats and a restyling of the body by the Italian Flaminio Bertoni. It took three years for Citroën to rework the TPV and the car was nicknamed "Toujours Pas Vue" (Still Not Seen) by the press.

Citroën finally unveiled the car at the Paris Salon in 1948. The car on display was nearly identical to the 2CV type A that would be sold next year, but lacked an electric starter, the addition of which was decided the day before the opening of the Salon. The car was heavily criticised. In spite of that, it sold well and it had a great impact on the low-income segment of the population in France.

It was laughed at by journalists, probably because Citroën had launched the car without any press advertising. The car was qualified as a "Spartan car" or a "sardine can" by many. Other journalists called it "an umbrella on wheels". Boris Vian described the car tongue-in-cheek as an "aberration roulante" (rolling aberration) charging the slowness of this low-class car for causing Paris' traffic jams. History has confirmed that the car was charming in a lot of people's views, and a revolution in consumer transportation, at least on the French market.

The 2CV was a great commercial success: within months of it going on sale, there was a three-year waiting list. The waiting list was soon increased to five years. At that time a second-hand 2CV was more expensive than a new one because the buyer did not have to wait. Production was increased from four units per day in 1949 to 400 units per day in 1950. A special version of the 2CV was the Sahara for very difficult off-road driving, built from December 1960 to 1971. This had an extra engine mounted in the rear compartment and both front and rear wheel traction. Only 694 Saharas were built. The target market for this car was French oil companies, the military and the police.

In 1960, the 2CV was updated, and looked similar until the end of production. In particular the corrugated Citroën H Van style 'ripple bonnet' of convex swages was replaced with one using larger and fewer concave swages. The 1960s were the heyday of the 2CV, when production finally caught up with demand.

In 1967 Citroën built a new car based on the 2CV, the Citroën Dyane, in response to the direct competition by the Renault 4. At the same time, Citroën developed the Méhari off-roader.

The purchase price of the 2CV was always very low. In Germany in the 1960s for example, it cost about half as much as a Volkswagen Beetle.

In 1970 the engine size was increased to 602cc and the car gained rear light units from the Citroën Ami 6. All 2CVs from this date can run on unleaded fuel.

The highest annual production was in 1974. Sales of the 2CV were reinvigorated by the 1974 oil crisis. The 2CV after this time became more of a youth lifestyle statement than a basic functional form of transport. This renewed popularity was encouraged by the Citroen 'Raid' intercontinental endurance rallies of the 1970s where customers could participate by buying a new 2CV, fitted with a ruggedising kit to cope with thousands of miles of very poor or off-road routes. The Paris to Persepolis rallye was the most famous. The Citroen '2CV Cross' circuit / off-road races were very popular in Europe.

In 1981, a bright yellow 2CV was driven by James Bond in the film For Your Eyes Only, including an elaborate set piece car chase through a Spanish olive farm. Bond used the unique abilities of the modestly powered 2CV to escape his pursuers in Peugeot 504 sedans. The car in the film was fitted with the flat-4 engine from a Citroën GS for slightly more power. One of the many limited production series of 2CV in the 1980s was a series of "2CV James Bond" vehicles fitted with the standard flat-2 engine, painted in yellow with '007' on the front doors and fake bullet holes. This car was also popular in miniature, from Corgi Toys.

The special edition models that started with the 1976 SPOT model, continued in the 1980s with the (007, Beachcomber, Bamboo), some of which became full models - (the Dolly and the Art-Deco style Charleston) all made a virtue of the individual anachronistic styling. The changes between the special editions and the basic 'Spécial' model was only a different speedometer, paint, seat fabric, internal door handles, and interior light. Many of the 'special edition' interior trim items were carryovers from the 1970s 'Club' models. This probably gained former VW customers as the only other 'retro alternative' style of vehicle, the Volkswagen Beetle was withdrawn from the European market in 1978.

The 2CV was mainly sold in France and some European markets. In the post war years, Citroën was very focused on the home market, which had some unusual quirks, like puissance fiscale. The management of Michelin was supportive of Citroën up to a point, and the Citroën cars with a suspension designed to use Michelin's new radial tyres clearly demonstrated their superiority over their competitors' tyres. But they were not prepared to initiate the investment needed for the 2CV (or the Citroën DS for that matter) to truly compete on the global stage. Citroën were always undercapitalised until the Peugeot takeover. Consequently, the 2CV suffered a similar fate to the Morris Minor and Mini, selling fewer than 10 million units, whereas the Volkswagen Beetle, which was sold worldwide, sold 21 million units.

Some of the early models were built at Citroën's plant in Slough, England in the 1950s, but the 2CV sold poorly in Great Britain in part due to its excessive cost because of import duties on components. Sales of Slough-produced 2CVs ended in 1960. In 1959 trying to boost sales, Citroën introduced a glass-fibre coupé version called the Bijou that was briefly produced at Slough. Styling of this little car was by Peter Kirwan-Taylor who was better known for his work with Colin Chapman of Lotus cars, but it proved to be too heavy for the diminutive engine to endow it with adequate performance. It served to use up remaining 2CV parts at Slough in the early 1960s. In 1975 the 2CV was re-introduced to the British market (produced in France), in the wake of the oil crisis. This was without the crippling import duties of the 1950s, because the UK had joined the EEC. In the 1980s the best foreign markets for the 2CV were the UK and Germany.

A rare Jeep-esque derivative, called the Yagán, after an Aborigine tribe, was made in Chile between 1972 and 1973. After the Chilean coup of 1973, there were 200 Yagáns left that were used by the Army to patrol the streets and the Peruvian border, with 106 mm cannons.

A similar car was sold in some west African countries as the Citroën "Baby-brousse".

In Iran, the Citroën 2CV was called the Jian. The cars were originally manufactured in Iran in a joint venture between Citroën and Iran National up until the 1979 Revolution, when Iran National was nationalised, which continued producing the Jian without the involvement of Citroën.

Only a few thousand 2CVs were sold in North America when they were new: as in England their pricing was excessive relative to competitors. Unlike larger Citroëns, there are no legal issues with owning a 2CV however - the car is effectively a restored pre-1968 vehicle. It was one of these vehicles that became the focus of a recent news story, when musician Billy Joel had an accident in his 2CV in 2004, on Long Island, New York . Joel gave another 2CV to his bride Christie Brinkley as a present.

The 2CV was built in Chile and Argentina to address this issue for South America. The Chilean version mounted a 602 cc. engine with an output of 33 HP, and was nominated AX-330 being built between 1970 and 1978, period where it saw some changes like different bumpers, hard roof instead soft one and late units were fitted with fronts disc brakes and square headlights. It's worthwhile to note that "For your eyes only" James Bond 1981 movie, rocketed sales of this city car in Chile where it was specially imported from Spain to meet demand (mostly yellows), since it was already phased out in the Chilean assembly line.

The car featured an air-cooled, flat-twin, four-stroke, 375 cc engine, with the notoriously underpowered earliest model developing only 9 bhp DIN (6.5 kW). A 425 cc engine was introduced in 1955, followed by a 602 cc (giving 28 bhp (20.5 kW) at 7000 rpm) in 1968. With the 602 cc engine the tax classification of the car changed so that it became in fact a 3CV, but the commercial name remained unchanged. A 435 cc engine was introduced at the same time in replacement of the 425 cc, the 435 cc engine car was christened 2CV 4 while the 602 cc took the name 2CV 6 (nevertheless it did take the name 3CV in Argentina). The 602 cc engine evolved to the M28 33 bhp (24 kW) in 1970; this was the most powerful engine fitted to the 2CV. A new 602 cc giving only 29 bhp (21.5 kW) at a slower 5750 rpm was introduced in 1979. Despite being less powerful, this engine was more efficient, allowing lower fuel consumption and better top speed, at the price of decreased acceleration. All 2CVs with the M28 engine can run on unleaded petrol, but attention is needed to ensure that valve clearances are maintained.

The 2CV also pioneered the use of the now common wasted spark Ignition System, also known as the DIS (Distributorless Ignition System) ignition using a double ended coil fired on each revolution, (on the exhaust and compression stroke), by just a contact breaker.

The engine's design concentrated on the reduction of moving parts. The cooling fan and dynamo were built integrally with the one-piece crankshaft, removing the need for drive belts. Instead of using the usual two-piece crank bearings, one-piece items were pressed onto the crankshaft with a hydraulic press once the crankshaft had been submerged in liquid nitrogen to cause it to contract (thus providing enough clearance to press the bearings on). Similarly, the contact breaker was driven directly off the end of the camshaft, meaning that the ignition timing remained accurate for years.

These design features made the 2CV engine highly reliable (test engines were run at full speed for 1000 hours at a time- equivalant to driving 50,000 miles (80,500 km) at full throttle). They also meant that the engine was very much 'sealed for life'- the main bearings, for example, could not be replaced individually- the entire engine had to be replaced. However, the engine was very under-stressed and long-lived, so this was not a major issue. Until the 1960s it was common for other car manufacturers engines (Fords especially), to need full strip downs and rebuilds at as little as 50,000 mile intervals - 2CV engines regularly passed 100,000 miles.

When asked about the 2CVs performance and acceleration, many owners said it went "from 0-60 in one day". Others jokingly said they "had to make an appointment to merge onto an interstate highway system".

The last evolution of the 2CV engine was the Citroën Visa flat-2, a 652 cc featuring an electronic ignition. Citroën never sold this engine in the 2CV, however some enthusiasts have converted their 2CVs to 652 engines.

The 2CV was produced for 42 years, the model finally succumbing to customer demands for speed and safety, areas in which this ancient design had fallen significantly behind modern cars. Its advanced engineering was ignored by the public, being clothed in an ultra basic anachronistic body. It was the butt of many a joke - by Jasper Carrot especially. It was not helped by Citroen failing to promote it and by falling quality standards. The car was viewed as an embarrassment by Citroën, and they tried to kill the model for several years before the end came.

Citroën had attempted to replace the ultra-utilitarian 2CV several times (with the Dyane, Visa, and the AX), however its comically antiquated appearance became an advantage to the car and it became a niche product which sold because it was different from anything else on sale. Because of its down-to-earth style it became popular with hippies.

While not a replacement for the 2CV, a straightforward, unremarkable urban runabout supermini like the AX seemed to address the automaker's requirements at the entry level in the 1990s.

In 1988, production ceased in France but was continued in Portugal. The last 2CV, grey with chassis number VF7AZKA00LA376002, rolled off the Portuguese production line on July 27, 1990. In all, a total of 3,872,583 2CV sedans were produced. Including the commercial versions of the 2CV, Dyane, Méhari, FAF, & Ami variants, the 2CV's underpinnings spawned over nine million cars.

The 2CV was outlived by contemporaries such as the Mini (went out of production in 2000), VW Beetle (2003), Renault 4 (1994), VW Type 2 (still in production) and Hindustan Ambassador (still in production).

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: Badfinger-fan on 05/27/08 at 5:37 pm


John Bender: Stupid, worthless, no good, goddam, freeloading sonofabitch. Retarded, big mouth, know-it-all, a---hole, jerk. You forgot ugly, lazy and disrespectful. Shut up b*tch. Go fix me my turkey pot pie. No dad, what about you? F--- you. No dad, what about you? F--- you. Dad, what about you? F---- you!!!!

a typical day in the Bender home  :o  and of course John Bender was my inspiration and I'm still waiting  >:(

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Written By: MaxwellSmart on 05/27/08 at 7:48 pm


a typical day in the Bender home  :o   and of course John Bender was my inspiration and I'm still waiting  >:(

John Bender was the one who best fit his stereotype in my school.  Being in detention hall and the dude behind you is humming Led Zep through his long greasy hair...that I remember well!
;D

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Written By: Badfinger-fan on 05/27/08 at 9:40 pm


John Bender was the one who best fit his stereotype in my school.  Being in detention hall and the dude behind you is humming Led Zep through his long greasy hair...that I remember well!
;D
the John Bender's were the dudes I hung out with in high school, all the outlaw rebel stoners. funny thing is, some of those guys turned out or ended up being youth counselors  :o   

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Written By: MaxwellSmart on 05/27/08 at 9:51 pm


the John Bender's were the dudes I hung out with in high school, all the outlaw rebel stoners. funny thing is, some of those guys turned out or ended up being youth counselors  :o   

Youth counselors like the really cool guy who understands what you're going through and then shares a spliff and a six-pack with you when you're 21 and you go back to visit him?  Or do you mean the youth counselors who think they can relate to what you're going through when you can see they're frustrated dorks in bad ties?
???

BTW, that was Cream and not Led Zeppelin; if I recall, Bender was humming the main riff in "Sunshine of Your Love." 

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Written By: AL-B Mk. III on 05/28/08 at 2:26 am


... just to provide a feminine touch to the whole issue -



A SHORT HISTORY OF THE CITROEN 2CV -


The Citroën 2CV (French: deux chevaux vapeur, literally "two steam horses", from the tax horsepower rating) was an economy car produced by the French automaker Citroën from 1948 to 1990. It is considered one of their most iconic cars. It was described in the book Drive On!: A Social History of the Motor Car by longtime CAR magazine columnist the late LJK Setright as 'The most intelligent application of minimalism ever to succeed as a car.' It was designed for low cost, simplicity, versatility, reliability, and off-road driving. For this it had a light, easily serviceable engine, extremely soft suspension, high clearance, and for oversized loads a car-wide canvas sunroof. Between 1948 and 1990 3,872,583 2CVs were produced, plus 1,246,306 camionettes (small 2CV trucks), as well as spawning mechanically identical vehicles like the Ami, Dyane, Acadiane, and Mehari.

From 1988 onwards production took place in Portugal rather than in France. This arrangement lasted for two years until 2CV production halted.

The 2CV belongs to a very short list of vehicles introduced right after World War II that remained relevant and competitive for many decades — in the case of the 2CV, 42 years.

Pierre-Jules Boulanger's early 1930s design brief – said by some to be astonishingly radical for the time – was for a low-priced, rugged "umbrella on four wheels" that would enable two peasants to drive 100 kg (220 lb) of farm goods to market at 60 km/h (37 mph), in clogs and across muddy unpaved roads if necessary. France at that time had a very large rural population, who had not yet adopted the automobile, due to its cost. The car would use no more than 3 litres of gasoline to travel 100 km. Most famously, it would be able to drive across a ploughed field without breaking the eggs it was carrying. Boulanger later also had the roof raised to allow him to drive while wearing a hat.

André Lefèbvre was the engineer in charge of the TPV (Très Petite Voiture — "Very Small Car") project. By 1939, the TPV was deemed ready and several prototypes had been built. Those prototypes made use of aluminium and magnesium parts and had water-cooled engines. The seats were hammocks suspended from the roof by wires.

During the German occupation of France during World War II, Michelin (Citroën's main shareholder) and Citroën managers decided to hide the TPV project from the Nazis, fearing some military application. Several TPVs were buried at secret locations, one was disguised as a pickup, and the others were destroyed, and Boulanger had the next six years to think about more improvements. Until 1994, when three TPVs were discovered in a barn, it was believed that only two prototypes had survived. As of 2003, five TPVs are known. For long it was believed that the project was so well hidden that all the prototypes had been lost at the end of the war. It seems that none of the hidden TPVs were lost after the War, but in the 1950s an internal memo ordered them to be scrapped. The surviving TPVs were, in fact, hidden from the top management by some workers who were sensitive to their historical value.

After the war, internal reports at Citroën showed that producing the TPV would not be economically viable, given the rising cost of aluminium in the post-war economy. A decision was made to replace most of the aluminium parts with steel parts. Other changes were made, the most notable being an air-cooled engine, new seats and a restyling of the body by the Italian Flaminio Bertoni. It took three years for Citroën to rework the TPV and the car was nicknamed "Toujours Pas Vue" (Still Not Seen) by the press.

Citroën finally unveiled the car at the Paris Salon in 1948. The car on display was nearly identical to the 2CV type A that would be sold next year, but lacked an electric starter, the addition of which was decided the day before the opening of the Salon. The car was heavily criticised. In spite of that, it sold well and it had a great impact on the low-income segment of the population in France.

It was laughed at by journalists, probably because Citroën had launched the car without any press advertising. The car was qualified as a "Spartan car" or a "sardine can" by many. Other journalists called it "an umbrella on wheels". Boris Vian described the car tongue-in-cheek as an "aberration roulante" (rolling aberration) charging the slowness of this low-class car for causing Paris' traffic jams. History has confirmed that the car was charming in a lot of people's views, and a revolution in consumer transportation, at least on the French market.

The 2CV was a great commercial success: within months of it going on sale, there was a three-year waiting list. The waiting list was soon increased to five years. At that time a second-hand 2CV was more expensive than a new one because the buyer did not have to wait. Production was increased from four units per day in 1949 to 400 units per day in 1950. A special version of the 2CV was the Sahara for very difficult off-road driving, built from December 1960 to 1971. This had an extra engine mounted in the rear compartment and both front and rear wheel traction. Only 694 Saharas were built. The target market for this car was French oil companies, the military and the police.

In 1960, the 2CV was updated, and looked similar until the end of production. In particular the corrugated Citroën H Van style 'ripple bonnet' of convex swages was replaced with one using larger and fewer concave swages. The 1960s were the heyday of the 2CV, when production finally caught up with demand.

In 1967 Citroën built a new car based on the 2CV, the Citroën Dyane, in response to the direct competition by the Renault 4. At the same time, Citroën developed the Méhari off-roader.

The purchase price of the 2CV was always very low. In Germany in the 1960s for example, it cost about half as much as a Volkswagen Beetle.

In 1970 the engine size was increased to 602cc and the car gained rear light units from the Citroën Ami 6. All 2CVs from this date can run on unleaded fuel.

The highest annual production was in 1974. Sales of the 2CV were reinvigorated by the 1974 oil crisis. The 2CV after this time became more of a youth lifestyle statement than a basic functional form of transport. This renewed popularity was encouraged by the Citroen 'Raid' intercontinental endurance rallies of the 1970s where customers could participate by buying a new 2CV, fitted with a ruggedising kit to cope with thousands of miles of very poor or off-road routes. The Paris to Persepolis rallye was the most famous. The Citroen '2CV Cross' circuit / off-road races were very popular in Europe.

In 1981, a bright yellow 2CV was driven by James Bond in the film For Your Eyes Only, including an elaborate set piece car chase through a Spanish olive farm. Bond used the unique abilities of the modestly powered 2CV to escape his pursuers in Peugeot 504 sedans. The car in the film was fitted with the flat-4 engine from a Citroën GS for slightly more power. One of the many limited production series of 2CV in the 1980s was a series of "2CV James Bond" vehicles fitted with the standard flat-2 engine, painted in yellow with '007' on the front doors and fake bullet holes. This car was also popular in miniature, from Corgi Toys.

The special edition models that started with the 1976 SPOT model, continued in the 1980s with the (007, Beachcomber, Bamboo), some of which became full models - (the Dolly and the Art-Deco style Charleston) all made a virtue of the individual anachronistic styling. The changes between the special editions and the basic 'Spécial' model was only a different speedometer, paint, seat fabric, internal door handles, and interior light. Many of the 'special edition' interior trim items were carryovers from the 1970s 'Club' models. This probably gained former VW customers as the only other 'retro alternative' style of vehicle, the Volkswagen Beetle was withdrawn from the European market in 1978.

The 2CV was mainly sold in France and some European markets. In the post war years, Citroën was very focused on the home market, which had some unusual quirks, like puissance fiscale. The management of Michelin was supportive of Citroën up to a point, and the Citroën cars with a suspension designed to use Michelin's new radial tyres clearly demonstrated their superiority over their competitors' tyres. But they were not prepared to initiate the investment needed for the 2CV (or the Citroën DS for that matter) to truly compete on the global stage. Citroën were always undercapitalised until the Peugeot takeover. Consequently, the 2CV suffered a similar fate to the Morris Minor and Mini, selling fewer than 10 million units, whereas the Volkswagen Beetle, which was sold worldwide, sold 21 million units.

Some of the early models were built at Citroën's plant in Slough, England in the 1950s, but the 2CV sold poorly in Great Britain in part due to its excessive cost because of import duties on components. Sales of Slough-produced 2CVs ended in 1960. In 1959 trying to boost sales, Citroën introduced a glass-fibre coupé version called the Bijou that was briefly produced at Slough. Styling of this little car was by Peter Kirwan-Taylor who was better known for his work with Colin Chapman of Lotus cars, but it proved to be too heavy for the diminutive engine to endow it with adequate performance. It served to use up remaining 2CV parts at Slough in the early 1960s. In 1975 the 2CV was re-introduced to the British market (produced in France), in the wake of the oil crisis. This was without the crippling import duties of the 1950s, because the UK had joined the EEC. In the 1980s the best foreign markets for the 2CV were the UK and Germany.

A rare Jeep-esque derivative, called the Yagán, after an Aborigine tribe, was made in Chile between 1972 and 1973. After the Chilean coup of 1973, there were 200 Yagáns left that were used by the Army to patrol the streets and the Peruvian border, with 106 mm cannons.

A similar car was sold in some west African countries as the Citroën "Baby-brousse".

In Iran, the Citroën 2CV was called the Jian. The cars were originally manufactured in Iran in a joint venture between Citroën and Iran National up until the 1979 Revolution, when Iran National was nationalised, which continued producing the Jian without the involvement of Citroën.

Only a few thousand 2CVs were sold in North America when they were new: as in England their pricing was excessive relative to competitors. Unlike larger Citroëns, there are no legal issues with owning a 2CV however - the car is effectively a restored pre-1968 vehicle. It was one of these vehicles that became the focus of a recent news story, when musician Billy Joel had an accident in his 2CV in 2004, on Long Island, New York . Joel gave another 2CV to his bride Christie Brinkley as a present.

The 2CV was built in Chile and Argentina to address this issue for South America. The Chilean version mounted a 602 cc. engine with an output of 33 HP, and was nominated AX-330 being built between 1970 and 1978, period where it saw some changes like different bumpers, hard roof instead soft one and late units were fitted with fronts disc brakes and square headlights. It's worthwhile to note that "For your eyes only" James Bond 1981 movie, rocketed sales of this city car in Chile where it was specially imported from Spain to meet demand (mostly yellows), since it was already phased out in the Chilean assembly line.

The car featured an air-cooled, flat-twin, four-stroke, 375 cc engine, with the notoriously underpowered earliest model developing only 9 bhp DIN (6.5 kW). A 425 cc engine was introduced in 1955, followed by a 602 cc (giving 28 bhp (20.5 kW) at 7000 rpm) in 1968. With the 602 cc engine the tax classification of the car changed so that it became in fact a 3CV, but the commercial name remained unchanged. A 435 cc engine was introduced at the same time in replacement of the 425 cc, the 435 cc engine car was christened 2CV 4 while the 602 cc took the name 2CV 6 (nevertheless it did take the name 3CV in Argentina). The 602 cc engine evolved to the M28 33 bhp (24 kW) in 1970; this was the most powerful engine fitted to the 2CV. A new 602 cc giving only 29 bhp (21.5 kW) at a slower 5750 rpm was introduced in 1979. Despite being less powerful, this engine was more efficient, allowing lower fuel consumption and better top speed, at the price of decreased acceleration. All 2CVs with the M28 engine can run on unleaded petrol, but attention is needed to ensure that valve clearances are maintained.

The 2CV also pioneered the use of the now common wasted spark Ignition System, also known as the DIS (Distributorless Ignition System) ignition using a double ended coil fired on each revolution, (on the exhaust and compression stroke), by just a contact breaker.

The engine's design concentrated on the reduction of moving parts. The cooling fan and dynamo were built integrally with the one-piece crankshaft, removing the need for drive belts. Instead of using the usual two-piece crank bearings, one-piece items were pressed onto the crankshaft with a hydraulic press once the crankshaft had been submerged in liquid nitrogen to cause it to contract (thus providing enough clearance to press the bearings on). Similarly, the contact breaker was driven directly off the end of the camshaft, meaning that the ignition timing remained accurate for years.

These design features made the 2CV engine highly reliable (test engines were run at full speed for 1000 hours at a time- equivalant to driving 50,000 miles (80,500 km) at full throttle). They also meant that the engine was very much 'sealed for life'- the main bearings, for example, could not be replaced individually- the entire engine had to be replaced. However, the engine was very under-stressed and long-lived, so this was not a major issue. Until the 1960s it was common for other car manufacturers engines (Fords especially), to need full strip downs and rebuilds at as little as 50,000 mile intervals - 2CV engines regularly passed 100,000 miles.

When asked about the 2CVs performance and acceleration, many owners said it went "from 0-60 in one day". Others jokingly said they "had to make an appointment to merge onto an interstate highway system".

The last evolution of the 2CV engine was the Citroën Visa flat-2, a 652 cc featuring an electronic ignition. Citroën never sold this engine in the 2CV, however some enthusiasts have converted their 2CVs to 652 engines.

The 2CV was produced for 42 years, the model finally succumbing to customer demands for speed and safety, areas in which this ancient design had fallen significantly behind modern cars. Its advanced engineering was ignored by the public, being clothed in an ultra basic anachronistic body. It was the butt of many a joke - by Jasper Carrot especially. It was not helped by Citroen failing to promote it and by falling quality standards. The car was viewed as an embarrassment by Citroën, and they tried to kill the model for several years before the end came.

Citroën had attempted to replace the ultra-utilitarian 2CV several times (with the Dyane, Visa, and the AX), however its comically antiquated appearance became an advantage to the car and it became a niche product which sold because it was different from anything else on sale. Because of its down-to-earth style it became popular with hippies.

While not a replacement for the 2CV, a straightforward, unremarkable urban runabout supermini like the AX seemed to address the automaker's requirements at the entry level in the 1990s.

In 1988, production ceased in France but was continued in Portugal. The last 2CV, grey with chassis number VF7AZKA00LA376002, rolled off the Portuguese production line on July 27, 1990. In all, a total of 3,872,583 2CV sedans were produced. Including the commercial versions of the 2CV, Dyane, Méhari, FAF, & Ami variants, the 2CV's underpinnings spawned over nine million cars.

The 2CV was outlived by contemporaries such as the Mini (went out of production in 2000), VW Beetle (2003), Renault 4 (1994), VW Type 2 (still in production) and Hindustan Ambassador (still in production).


Boy, I'd sure hate to be sitting in one of those things while I was stuck in a traffic jam.  :o :o :o

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZP9jmhPAws4

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: Badfinger-fan on 05/28/08 at 2:33 am


Boy, I'd sure hate to be sitting in one of those things while I was stuck in a traffic jam.  :o :o :o

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZP9jmhPAws4
was that a woman driving that truck  ::)

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: AL-B Mk. III on 05/28/08 at 2:56 am


was that a woman driving that truck  ::)


It was Debbie.

And the cars were full of men.  ;)

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: Badfinger-fan on 05/28/08 at 3:03 am


It was Debbie.

And the cars were full of men.   ;)
she crushed the first two cars. what a bitch  >:(

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Written By: Green Lantern on 05/28/08 at 3:06 am

Debbie ..... where are you ?  ???




















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:P  ;D

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Written By: Badfinger-fan on 05/28/08 at 3:10 am


Debbie ..... where are you ?   ???



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:P   ;D
Debbie is probably only allowed to use the prison's computer once a week

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: quirky_cat_girl on 05/28/08 at 8:24 am

She's too busy posing as about 4 other guests on this messageboard. ::)

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: ladybug316 on 05/28/08 at 8:26 am


Debbie is probably only allowed to use the prison's computer once a week

;D

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: Tia on 05/28/08 at 10:06 am

A BRIEF HISTORY OF THE GIBSON LES PAUL

The Les Paul model was the result of a design collaboration between Gibson Guitar Corporation and pop star, electronics inventor, and accomplished jazz guitarist Les Paul. In 1950, after the introduction of the Fender Telecaster to the musical market, electric guitars became a public craze. In reaction, Gibson Guitar president Ted McCarty brought guitarist Les Paul into the company as a consultant. Les Paul was a respected innovator who had been experimenting with guitar design for years to benefit his own music. In fact, he had hand-built a solid-body prototype called "The Log", a design widely considered the first solid-body Spanish guitar ever built, as opposed to the "Hawaiian", or lap-steel guitar. Although numerous other prototypes and limited-production solid-body models by other makers have since surfaced, it is known that in 1945-1946, Les Paul had approached Gibson with "The Log" prototype, but his solid body design was rejected.

In 1951, this initial rejection became a design collaboration between the Gibson Guitar Corporation and Les Paul. It was agreed that the new Les Paul guitar was to be an expensive, well-made instrument in Gibson's tradition. Although recollections differ regarding "who" contributed "what" to the Les Paul design, it was far from a market replica of the competing Fender models. However, it is known that since the 1930s, Gibson had offered electric hollow-body guitars. At minimum, these hollow-body electric models provided a set of basic design cues to the new Gibson solid-body, including a more traditionally curved body shape than offered by competitor Fender, and a glued-in ("set") neck, in contrast to Fender's bolt-on neck joint design.

The significance of Les Paul's contributions to his Gibson guitar design remain controversial. The book "50 Years of the Gibson Les Paul" limits Paul's contributions to two: advice on the trapeze tailpiece, and a preference for color (stating that Paul preferred gold as "it looks expensive", and a second choice of black because "it makes your fingers appear to move faster on the box", and "looks classy—like a tuxedo").

Additionally, Gibson's president Ted McCarty states that the Gibson Guitar Corporation merely approached Les Paul for the right to imprint the musician's name on the headstock to increase model sales, and that in 1951, Gibson showed Paul a nearly finished instrument. McCarty also claims that design discussions with Les Paul were limited to the tailpiece and the fitting of a maple cap over the mahogany body for increased density and sustain, which Les Paul had requested reversed. However, according to Gibson Guitar, this reversal would have caused the guitar to become too heavy, and Paul's request was refused. Beyond these requests, Les Paul's contributions to the guitar line bearing his name were stated to be cosmetic. For example, ever the showman, Paul had specified that the guitar be offered in a gold finish, not only for flashiness, but to emphasize the high quality of the Les Paul instrument, as well. The later-issue Les Paul models included "flame" and "quilted" (tiger) maple finishes, and once again contrasted the competing Fender line's range of car-like color finishes. Gibson was notably inconsistent with its wood choices, and some gold tops or customs have had their finish stripped to reveal beautifully-figured wood hidden underneath.


Models and variations
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The Les Paul guitar line was originally conceived to include three models: the regular model (nicknamed the Goldtop), and the Custom model, which offered upgraded hardware and a more formal black finish. However, advancements in pickup, body, and hardware designs allowed the Les Paul to become a long-term series of electric solid-body guitars that targeted every price-point and market level except for the complete novice guitarist. This beginner guitar market was filled by the Melody Maker model, and although the inexpensive Melody Maker did not bear the Les Paul name, its body consistently followed the design of true Les Pauls throughout each era.

Beyond shaping and body design, there are a number of characteristics that distinguish the Gibson Les Paul line from other electrics. For example, in a fashion similar to Gibson's hollow-body instruments, the strings of Les Paul guitars are always mounted on the top of the guitar body, rather than through the guitar body, as seen in competitor Fender's designs. The Gibson also features a variety of colors, such as Wine Red, Ebony, Classic White, Fire Burst, and Alpine White. In addition, the Les Paul models offered a variety of finishes and decorative levels, a diversity of hardware options, and an innovative array of electric pick-up options, some of which significantly impacted the sound of electric music. For instance, in 1957, Gibson introduced the humbucker which revolutionized the sound of the electric guitar, and eliminated the 60-cycle noise which had previously plagued guitars with magnetic pickups.


Goldtop (1952-1957)

Custom (1954-1960)

Paul McCartney playing a 1960 left-handed cherryburst Les PaulThe second issue of the Les Paul guitar was introduced to the public in 1954. Called the Gibson Les Paul Custom, this entirely black guitar was an expertly decorated work of art, and dubbed the Black Beauty. The Les Paul Custom featured a mahogany top to differentiate the instrument from its Goldtop predecessor's maple top. It also featured the new Tune-o-Matic bridge design and a pickup with an alnico-5 magnet in the neck position. In addition, since 1957, the Custom was fitted with Gibson's new humbucker pickups, and later became available with three pickups instead of the more usual two. The three pickup model retained the standard Gibson 3-way switch so not all pickup combinations were possible. The neck and bridge-only settings were retained, but the middle was changed to switch in the middle and bridge pickups. A common modification was to restore the standard neck/both/bridge switching combination and add a switch to enable the middle pickup on its own.


Junior (1954-1960) and TV (1955-1960)
In 1954, to widen the solid-body electric market still further, Gibson issued the Gibson Les Paul Junior. Although previously the Melody Maker was marketed toward the novice guitarist, Gibson targeted to the beginner again with a Les Paul Junior design. Over time, this Gibson design has proven well-suited for even professional use.

There were marked differences between the other Les Paul models and the Les Paul Junior. For instance, although the Junior's body outline was clearly reminiscent of the original upmarket Les Paul guitar, the Junior issue was characterized by its flat-top "slab" mahogany body, finished in traditional Gibson Sunburst. The Junior was touted as an inexpensive option for Gibson electric guitar buyers: it had a single P-90 pickup, simple volume and tone controls, and the unbound rosewood fingerboard bore plain dot-shape position markers. However, as a concession to the aspirations of the beginning guitarist buyer, the Junior did feature the stud bridge/tailpiece similar to the second incarnation of the upscale Gold-Top.

Later, in 1955, Gibson launched the Les Paul TV model, which was essentially a Junior with what Gibson called a natural finish. This finish was actually more of a translucent mustard yellow through which the wood grain could be seen, and was not unlike the finish that competitor Fender called butterscotch yellow. The idea behind this TV Yellow was that white guitars would glare too much on early black and white television broadcasts, whereas TV Yellow guitars would not cast a glare.

In 1958, Gibson made a radical design change to their Junior and TV models: with the design change came cosmetic changes to these guitars that would later take on enormous importance. To accommodate player requests for more access to the top frets than the previous designs allowed, Gibson revamped both these electric guitar models with a new double-cutaway body shape. In addition, the Junior's fresh look was enhanced with a new cherry red finish, while the re-shaped TV adopted a new, rather yellow-tinged finish for its new design.


Special (1955-1960)

Neil Young playing Old BlackThe Les Paul Special was released in 1955, featuring two soapbar P-90 single coil pickups, finished in a TV Yellow variation (but not called a TV model).

In 1959, the Special was given the same new double-cutaway body shape that the Junior and the TV received in 1958. However, when the new design was applied to the two-pickup Special, the cavity for the neck pickup overlapped with the neck-to-body joint. This weakened the joint to the point that the neck could break after only moderate handling. The problem was soon resolved when Gibson's designers moved the neck pickup farther down the body, producing a stronger joint and eradicating the breakage problem.

This stabilized version of the Special is currently offered as part of Gibson's Faded series in Cherry or TV yellow.


Standard (1958-1960)
In 1958, Gibson changed the top finish on the regular Les Paul model from the gold color used since 1952 to the Sunburst finish already being used on Gibson's archtop acoustic and hollow electric guitars. These Sunburst-finished guitars were later referred to as Les Paul Standards to differentiate them from the earlier Goldtop. The hardware specification was the same as that of the '57 Goldtop, featuring the new humbucker pickups. Today, the Gibson Les Paul Standard has Burst Bucker Pro pickups.


1961 Les Paul SG
Main article: Gibson SG
In 1960, Gibson experienced a decline in electric guitar sales due to their high prices and strong competition from Fender's comparable but much lighter double-cutaway design: The Stratocaster. In response, Gibson modified the Les Paul line. This 1961 issue Les Paul guitar was thinner and much lighter than the earlier models, with two sharply pointed cut-aways and a vibrato system. However, the redesign was done without Les Paul's knowledge. When the musician saw the guitar, he asked Gibson to remove his name from the instrument and parted ways with the company. Although this separation occurred in 1960, Gibson had a surplus stock of "Les Paul" logos and truss rod covers, and so continued to use the Les Paul name until 1963. At that point, the SG guitar's name was finally changed to "SG", which stood simply for Solid Guitar. In addition to the SG line, Gibson continued to issue the less expensive Jr's and Specials (and the Melody Makers) with the newer body style. These were the standard Gibson electric models until the reintroduction of the Les Paul Standard Goldtop and the Les Paul Custom guitars to the market in 1968.


Renewed interest in the Les Paul models

Les Paul Standard, PAF-pickupsIn 1964, Keith Richards obtained a 1959 sunburst Les Paul. The guitar, outfitted with a Bigsby tailpiece, was the first "star-owned" Les Paul in Britain and served as one of the guitarist's main instruments through 1966. In 1966, Eric Clapton also recognized the rock potential of the late '50s Les Paul guitars (particularly the 1958-1960 Standard sunburst models), and gave them wide exposure. He'd started using Les Pauls because of the influence of Freddie King and Hubert Sumlin. Soon artists such as Peter Green, Mike Bloomfield, Mick Taylor and Jimmy Page began using the Gibson model. These 1950s models featured the thicker, more sustaining tone of Gibson's humbucking pickups with the original units known as "Patent Applied For" (PAF) pickups. These PAFs were designed by Seth Lover while working for Gibson in 1955, and debuted on Les Pauls in 1957. This innovation became a standard pick up design for Gibson, and subsequently, many other guitar companies followed suit, outfitting their electrics with copycat versions of the humbucking pickup altered to avoid infringing Gibson's patent. Gretsch had their Filtertron pickups, and when Fender entered the humbucker market in 1972, it was with the radically different Fender Wide Range pickup. "Standard" humbuckers from other guitar manufacturers and third party replacement pickups from the likes of DiMarzio and Seymour Duncan were only offered after Gibson's patent had expired. Over the years, authentic 1950s Les Pauls have become some of the most desirable and expensive electric guitars in the world. Although in re-sale today, a 1959 Les Paul in good condition can be easily priced between $200,000 and $750,000, even by the mid 1960s prices for Les Paul guitars had begun to increase(However a reissue of the 1958,1959,or 1960 Les Paul can be purchased for less,between $3000-$6000.).With this value in mind, and with increased pressure from the public, Gibson re-introduced the single cutaway Les Paul in 1968.


Les Paul models in the Norlin era
Subsequent years brought new company ownership to the Gibson Guitar Company. During the "Norlin Era", Gibson Les Paul body designs were greatly altered, most notably, the change to the neck volute. Because the Les Paul had the reputation of having an easily broken neck joint, the volute strengthened the neck where it joined the headstock to avert breakage. To further increase the strength, the neck woods were changed from mahogany to a three-piece maple design. The LP body was changed from a one piece mahogany with a maple top into multiple slabs of mahogany with multiple pieced maple tops (also called a "pancake body').

In this era, as well, Gibson began experimenting with new models such as the Les Paul Recording. This model is often eschewed by guitar purists: considered "too full of gadgetry". The Recording featured low-impedance pickups, many switches and buttons, and a highly specialized cable for impedance-matching to the amplifier. Less noticeable changes included, but were not limited to, maple fingerboards (1976), pickup cavity shielding, and the crossover of the ABR1 Tune-o-matic bridge into the modern day Nashville Tune-o-matic bridge. During the 1970s, the Les Paul body shape was incorporated into other Gibson models, including the S-1, the Sonex, the L6-S, and many other experimental models.


Deluxe
The Deluxe was among the "new" 1968 Les Pauls. This model featured "mini-humbuckers", also known as "New York" humbuckers, and did not initially prove popular. The mini-humbucker pickup fit into the pre-carved P-90 pickup cavity using an adaptor ring developed by Gibson (actually just a cut-out P90 pickup cover) in order to use a supply of Epiphone mini-humbuckers left over from when Gibson moved Epiphone production to Japan. The Deluxe was introduced in late 1968 and helped to standardize production among Gibson's USA-built Les Pauls. The first incarnation of the Deluxe featured a one-piece body and three-piece neck in late 1968. The "pancake" body (thin layer of maple sandwiched by two layers of Honduran mahogany)came later in 1969. In late 1969, a small "volute" was added. 1969 Deluxe's feature the gibson logo devoid of the dot over the "i" in Gibson. By late 1969/early 1970, the dot over the "i" had returned, plus a "made in USA" stamp on the back the headstock. By 1975, the neck construction was changed from mahogany to maple, until the early 1980s, when the construction was returned to mahogany. Interest in this particular Les Paul model was so low that in the early 1980s, Gibson cancelled the line. However, in 2005, the "Deluxe" was reintroduced with more popularity due to its association with Pete Townshend.


Studio
See also: Gibson Les Paul Studio
The "Studio" model was introduced in 1983 and is still in production. The intended market for this guitar was the studio musician; therefore, the design features of the "Les Paul Studio" were centered around optimal sound output. This model retained only the elements of the Gibson Les Paul that contributed to tone and playability, including the carved maple top and standard mechanical and electronic hardware. However, the Studio design omitted several stock Gibson ornamentations that did not affect sound quality, including the binding on the body and neck. A notable exception to this is the Studio Standard, a model in the mid 1980s that included body and neck binding, though with dot fingerboard inlays instead of more ornate trapezoids.


Gibson Les Paul Studio.
Custom Shop models
Due to the popularity of the Les Paul guitar, hundreds of unendorsed imitations or copycat versions began to sell in the U.S. and overseas. Due to the lack of U.S. legislation addressing patent infringements or restricting import sales, the cheaply priced imitations created legal and financial problems for the Gibson Guitar Corporation. Although troublesome, there were overseas copycat companies that produced very high quality Les Paul and Stratocaster imitations. In fact, during the 1970s and early 1980s, a Japanese company, Tokai, made superb replicas of the 1957-59, accurate reproductions of early Les Paul designs constructed in a Gibson Guitar Custom Shop. A custom Les Paul guitar painted by race car illustrator Sam Bass is presented to the winners of NASCAR Nationwide Series races at the Nashville Superspeedway.


Modern Les Pauls
In the mid 1980s, Gibson changed ownership and began manufacturing a range of varied Les Paul models to suit different user needs. The 1980s also saw the end to several design characteristics that were classic to the Les Paul, including the volute and maple neck. However, due to consumer demand, The Gibson Les Paul guitar is available today in an array of choices, ranging from guitars equipped with modern digital electronics to classic re-issue models built to match the look and specifications of the guitar's earliest production runs from 1952 to 1960.


Les Paul's guitar
At 92 years old, Les Paul himself still plays his personal Les Paul Guitar onstage, weekly, in New York City. As of September 2005, he performs on Mondays at the Iridium Jazz Club on 51st Street and Broadway. Paul prefers his 1972 Gibson "Recording" model guitar, with different electronics and a one-piece mahogany body,and which, as an inveterate tinkerer and bona fide inventor, he has modified heavily to his liking, over the years. A Bigsby-style vibrato is currently the most visible change although formerly his guitars were fitted with his Les Paulverizer effects device.


Epiphone Les Pauls
The Gibson-owned Epiphone Company makes around 20 models of the Les Paul, which are copies of the original. Made in places outside the U.S., the Epiphone Les Paul's are made from more commonly-available woods and have less hand detailing than the Gibson models, and, as a result, sell for a lower price. Epiphone also offers their version of the Junior.


Gibson Robot Guitar
Main article: Gibson Robot Guitar

Gibson Robot Guitar (alongside assorted guitar effect pedals).In 2007, Gibson announced an idea to create a computerized Les Paul, dubbed the "Robot Guitar". It was released on December 7, 2007. The guitar has a computer integrated into the body with a "master control" knob next to the volume knobs, which can be pulled out, turned, or pressed to issue different commands to the guitar. One of the more notable features is the ability to tune the guitar to standard tuning simply by pulling out on the master control knob and strumming the guitar, while the tuning pegs adjust themselves to standard tuning. Another use of the master control knob is to be able to tune the guitar to alternative tunings, such as drop D, by pressing on the control knob to fit the setting. The new Les Paul has a new custom blue finish. While the product was advertised in the American popular press as a "world's first", similar systems, some external, have been in use for decades.


Weight
The Les Paul is known for its considerable weight. This is due to the thickness of the guitar (one of the thickest solid body electrics) and the kinds of woods used. This thickness contributes to the warmth of the tone; Les Pauls are known for being much deeper than many Fender guitars which have distinctive bright, open tones. The weight of Les Pauls can cause guitarists to complain of shoulder and back pains while playing standing up. The weight is also centered towards the rear of the guitar, creating a problem when the guitar is played in the seated position due to the fact that the neck has a tendency to levered up by the weight of the rear.


Notable Les Paul users
Main article: List of Gibson players

Les Paul imitations
Although most imitations differ visibly from Gibson's design, some companies have come close to perfecting copies. For instance, in the early 1980s, Japanese manufacturer Tokai made an imitation Les Paul that featured such a perfect reproduction of the neck that Gibson Guitar Corporation sued them. The lawsuit ended with victory for Gibson with a court-mandate that the necks on Tokai models for the U.S. market had to be replaced. Additionally, in the late '70's, Ibanez also made very high quality Gibson imitations. These imitations were marketed during a time period when guitars of Japanese make were both affordable and painstakingly precise, but lacked the reputation of their US forebears.

Many guitar aficionados feel that the early- and mid-70s marked a low point in the quality of guitars from the major manufacturers including Gibson, which helped contribute to the popularity of the Ibanez copies. These guitars have become known as "lawsuit" guitars and have become somewhat collectible. The actual lawsuit referred to was brought by the Norlin Corporation, the parent company of Gibson guitars, in 1977, and was based on an Ibanez headstock design that had been discontinued by 1976. Ibanez settled out of court, and by 1978 had begun making guitars from their own designs.

ESP Guitars makes two types, the EC series and the Eclipse II, that are based on the Les Paul design. Certain EC models have 24 fret necks and active electronics using EMG pickups instead of the standard passive pickups and 22 frets found in the traditional Les Paul.

Heritage Guitars, founded in 1985 by four long-time Gibson employees when Gibson relocated to Nashville, continues to build high-quality guitars in the original factory at 225 Parsons Street in Kalamazoo, Michigan. Many of their models evoke memories of Gibson's late-50s/early-60s "golden years." The H-150 and H-157, for instance, are reminiscent of the original Les Paul and Les Paul Custom, while the H-535 is a modern version of the classic Gibson ES-335. Because Heritage guitars are built in the original factory, by some of the employees who helped manufacturer the most sought after, vintage Gibson models, some don't consider them imitators at all, but a continuation of the Kalamazoo legacy.

The music retailer Rondo Music imports several popular models that are similar to the Les Paul, under the Agile brand.

Guitar Hero III: Legends of Rock comes with a Gibson Les Paul style controller for the Wii, Xbox 360, and PS3 versions of the game.

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: Tia on 05/28/08 at 10:07 am

^

oh, and also, girls arent allowed to play it. unwritten rule. :P

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: Badfinger-fan on 05/28/08 at 12:45 pm


^

oh, and also, girls arent allowed to play it. unwritten rule. :P
can they look at it?

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: bookmistress4ever on 05/28/08 at 1:37 pm


can they look at it?


What about just lovingly caress the box in the store?  I've been known to do that.  But I'd have to buy a whole bunch of other stuff before I buy this (which apparently I'm not allowed to play  8-P )  ;D

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: AL-B Mk. III on 05/28/08 at 1:44 pm


^

oh, and also, girls arent allowed to play it. unwritten rule. :P


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d54UU-fPIsY

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: Step-chan on 05/28/08 at 5:16 pm


She's too busy posing as about 4 other guests on this messageboard. ::)


Yeah, she's busy defending Britney. :D

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: Red Ant on 05/28/08 at 5:30 pm


Boy, I'd sure hate to be sitting in one of those things while I was stuck in a traffic jam.  :o :o :o

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZP9jmhPAws4


That last accident would have killed everyone in the first two cars hit.  :o

Ant

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: Badfinger-fan on 05/28/08 at 5:40 pm


What about just lovingly caress the box in the store?  I've been known to do that.  But I'd have to buy a whole bunch of other stuff before I buy this (which apparently I'm not allowed to play  8-P )  ;D
I do not condone that, but the unwritten rule said girl's cant play them, so touching the box may be allowable

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: Green Lantern on 05/28/08 at 5:54 pm


I do not condone that, but the unwritten rule said girl's cant play them, so touching the box may be allowable


I would have thought touching the 'box' .... was mandatory !















:D

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: ladybug316 on 05/28/08 at 8:11 pm


What about just lovingly caress the box in the store?  I've been known to do that.  But I'd have to buy a whole bunch of other stuff before I buy this (which apparently I'm not allowed to play  8-P )  ;D

Well, you can tune it for him, you're just not allowed to play it  :)

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: MaxwellSmart on 05/28/08 at 8:18 pm

"Hey woman! Don't touch my guitar!"
--Fats Johnson

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: Badfinger-fan on 05/28/08 at 8:44 pm


"Hey woman! Don't touch my guitar!"
--Fats Johnson
yeah, take your hands off my humbucker

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: AL-B Mk. III on 05/28/08 at 10:01 pm


yeah, take your hands off my humbucker


And whatever you do, don't pluck my twanger or play with my balls!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHx8GFwh1Sw

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: La Roche on 05/28/08 at 10:03 pm


And whatever you do, don't pluck my twanger or play with my balls!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHx8GFwh1Sw


Oh wow.. Zipee and Bungle. Acid flashbackribonucleicacidfreakout!

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: Step-chan on 05/28/08 at 10:27 pm

Here's something even more trippy!

HAHAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAHA...............

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: MaxwellSmart on 05/28/08 at 10:46 pm


And whatever you do, don't pluck my twanger or play with my balls!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHx8GFwh1Sw

HAW HAW HAW HAW!!!! So fuggin' funny! 

Hey you guys, what was this thread about again?
:D

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: Green Lantern on 05/28/08 at 10:49 pm


HAW HAW HAW HAW!!!! So fuggin' funny! 

Hey you guys, what was this thread about again?
:D



Something to do with car engines .... I think ?    ???

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: AL-B Mk. III on 05/29/08 at 1:51 am



Something to do with car engines .... I think ?    ???


That, and Citroen 2CV's, and Gibson Les Paul guitars, and pretty much anything else we can think of to hijack this stupid thread.

I wholeheartedly encourage anyone here to feel free to copy and paste anything that tickles their fancy from Wikipedia into this thread, I'm always up for learning something new.  ;)

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: Green Lantern on 05/29/08 at 2:41 am


That, and Citroen 2CV's, and Gibson Les Paul guitars, and pretty much anything else we can think of to hijack this stupid thread.

I wholeheartedly encourage anyone here to feel free to copy and paste anything that tickles their fancy from Wikipedia into this thread, I'm always up for learning something new.  ;)



Will THIS do ?  (Too long  :\'(  .... so ... I'll try it in 2 posts ?  ). Post 1:








Masturbation
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Man masturbating, with ejaculation.
Man masturbating, with ejaculation.
Woman masturbating.
Woman masturbating.

Masturbation refers to sexual stimulation, especially of one's own genitals and often to the point of orgasm, which is performed manually, by other types of bodily contact (except for sexual intercourse), by use of objects or tools, or by some combination of these methods. Masturbation is the most common form of autoeroticism, and the two words are often used as synonyms, although masturbation with a partner (mutual masturbation) is also common. Animal masturbation has been observed in many species, both in the wild and in captivity.
Contents


    * 1 Etymology
    * 2 Masturbation techniques
          o 2.1 Female
          o 2.2 Male
    * 3 Mutual masturbation
    * 4 Masturbation frequency, age and sex
    * 5 Evolutionary utility
    * 6 Health and psychological effects
          o 6.1 Benefits
          o 6.2 Blood pressure
          o 6.3 Insertion
          o 6.4 Pregnancy
          o 6.5 Problems for males
          o 6.6 Compulsive masturbation
    * 7 Masturbation in history and society
          o 7.1 Antiquity
          o 7.2 Religious views
          o 7.3 Philosophical arguments
          o 7.4 Medical attitudes
          o 7.5 Law
          o 7.6 Masturbate-a-thon
    * 8 Euphemisms
    * 9 Masturbation in media
          o 9.1 Paintings and drawings
          o 9.2 Film
          o 9.3 Music
          o 9.4 Literature
    * 10 Masturbation in other animal species
    * 11 See also
    * 12 References
    * 13 See also
    * 14 External links

Etymology
Look up masturbation in Wiktionary, the free dictionary.

The word masturbation is believed to derive from either the Greek word mezea (μεζεα, "penes") or the Latin manus ("hand") and the Latin turbare ("to disturb"). A competing etymology based on the Latin manu stuprare ("to defile with the hand") is said by the Oxford English Dictionary to be an "old conjecture". The esoteric and little-used synonym manustupration is similarly derived from manus stuprare.

While "masturbation" is the medical term for this practice, many other terms and expressions are in common use. The term "Onanism," for example, alludes to the biblical story of Onan. In the vernacular, terms such as "pleasuring oneself", "wanking", "fap", and "jerking off" are common. See masturbate in Wikisaurus for many others.

Masturbation techniques

Ways of masturbating common to members of both sexes include pressing or rubbing the genital area, either with the fingers or against an object such as a pillow; inserting fingers or an object into the anus (see anal masturbation); and stimulating the penis or vulva with electric vibrators, which may also be inserted into the vagina or anus. Members of both sexes may also enjoy touching, rubbing, or pinching the nipples or other erogenous zones while masturbating. Both sexes sometimes apply lubricating substances to intensify sensation.

Reading or viewing pornography, or sexual fantasy, are often common adjuncts to masturbation. Often people will call upon memories during masturbation. Masturbation activities are often ritualised. Various fetishes and paraphilias can also play a part in the masturbation ritual. Some potentially harmful or fatal activities include autoerotic asphyxiation and self-bondage.

Some people get sexual pleasure by inserting objects into the urethra (the tube through which urine and, in men, semen, flows). If these objects are urethral sounds, the practice is known as "sounding". Other objects such as ball point pens and thermometers are sometimes used, although this practice can lead to injury and/or infection. Some people masturbate by using machines that simulate intercourse.

Men and women may masturbate until they are close to orgasm, stop for a while to reduce excitement, and then resume masturbating. They may repeat this cycle multiple times. Called "edging", this "stop and go" build up can achieve even stronger orgasms. Rarely, people quit stimulation just before orgasm to retain the heightened energy that normally comes down after orgasm due to the release of prolactin hormone. Doing this could lead to temporary discomfort due to pelvic congestion.

Austrian psychoanalyst Wilhelm Reich in his 1922 essay Concerning Specific Forms of Masturbation tried to identify healthy and unhealthy forms of masturbation. He tried to relate the way people masturbated to their degree of inclination towards the opposite sex and to their psycho-sexual pathologies.

Female

Female masturbation techniques include a woman stroking or rubbing her vulva, especially her clitoris, with her index and/or middle fingers. Sometimes one or more fingers may be inserted into her vagina to repeatedly stroke the frontal wall of her vagina where her g-spot is located. Masturbation aids such as a vibrator, dildo or Ben Wa balls can also be used to stimulate the vagina and clitoris. Many women caress their breasts or stimulate a nipple with the free hand, if these are receptive areas for sexual stimulation. Anal stimulation is also enjoyed by some. Lubrication is sometimes used during masturbation, especially when penetration is involved, but this is not universal and many women find their natural lubrication sufficient.
Woman masturbating
Woman masturbating

Common positions include lying on back or face down, sitting, squatting, kneeling or standing. In a bath or shower a female may direct tap water at her clitoris and vulva. Lying face down one may use the hands, one may straddle a pillow, the corner or edge of the bed, a partner's leg or some scrunched-up clothing and "hump" her vulva and clitoris against it. Standing up, a chair, the corner of an item of furniture or even a washing machine can be used to stimulate her clitoris through her labia and clothing.

In the 1920s, Havelock Ellis reported that turn-of-the-century seamstresses using treadle-operated sewing machines could achieve orgasm by sitting near the edge of their chairs.

Women can sexually stimulate themselves by crossing their legs tightly and clenching the muscles in their legs, creating pressure on the genitals. This can potentially be done in public without observers noticing. Some masturbate using only pressure applied to the clitoris without direct contact, for example by pressing the palm or ball of the hand against underwear or other clothing.

Thoughts, fantasies and memories of previous instances of arousal and orgasm can produce sexual arousal. Some women even claim to be able to orgasm spontaneously by force of will alone, but that ability, if it exists at all, may not strictly qualify as masturbation as no physical stimulus is involved.

Sex therapists will sometimes recommend that female patients take time to masturbate to orgasm, especially if they have not done so before.

Male
An uncircumcised male manually stimulates his erect penis
An uncircumcised male manually stimulates his erect penis

Male masturbation techniques are also influenced by a number of factors and personal preferences. Techniques may also differ between circumcised and uncircumcised males, as some techniques which may work for one can often be quite painful for the other.

The most common male masturbation technique is simply to hold the penis with a loose fist and then to move the hand up and down the shaft until orgasm and ejaculation take place. The speed of the hand motion will vary from male to male, although it is not uncommon for the speed to increase as ejaculation nears and for it to decrease during the ejaculation itself. When uncircumcised, stimulation of the penis in this way comes from the "pumping" of the foreskin. This gliding motion of the foreskin reduces friction. When circumcised, there is more direct contact between the hand and the glans, thus a personal lubricant is sometimes used to reduce friction. Sometimes, if too much pressure is applied, it may be rubbed sore for a time.

Circumcised or not, men may rub or massage the glans, the rim of the glans, and the frenular delta.

Another technique is to place just the index finger and thumb around the penis about halfway along the penis and move the skin up and down. A variation on this is to place the fingers and thumb on the penis as if playing a flute, and then shuttle them back and forth. Another common technique is to lie face down on a comfortable surface such as a mattress or pillow and rub the penis against it until orgasm is achieved. This technique may include the use of a simulacrum, or artificial vagina.

There are many other variations on male masturbation techniques. Some men place both hands directly on their penis during masturbation, while others use their free hand to fondle their testicles, nipples, or other parts of their body. Some may keep their hand stationary while pumping into it with pelvic thrusts in order to simulate the motions of sexual intercourse. Others may also use vibrators and other sexual devices more commonly associated with female masturbation. A few extremely flexible males can reach and stimulate their penis with their tongue or lips, and so perform autofellatio.

The prostate gland is one of the organs that contributes fluid to semen. As the prostate is touch-sensitive, some directly stimulate it using a well-lubricated finger or dildo inserted through the anus into the rectum. Stimulating the prostate from outside, via pressure on the perineum, can be pleasurable as well. Some men, also, enjoy anal stimulation, with fingers or otherwise, without any prostate stimulation.

Semen is sometimes ejaculated onto a tissue or some other item.

A somewhat controversial ejaculation control technique is to put pressure on the perineum, about halfway between the scrotum and the anus, just before ejaculating. This can, however, redirect semen into the bladder (referred to as retrograde ejaculation). If repeated on a regular basis, this technique could cause long term damage due to the pressure put on the nerves and blood vessels in the perineum. A dry orgasm is one that is reached while withholding ejaculation (or where retrograde ejaculation has taken place). Proponents of dry orgasm say that this is a learnable skill that can shorten the refractory period.

Mutual masturbation
Johann Nepomuk, watercolor, 1840.
Johann Nepomuk, watercolor, 1840.

    Main article: Mutual masturbation

Mutual masturbation is a sexual act where two or more people stimulate themselves or one another sexually, usually with the hands.

This may be done in situations where the participants do not feel physically able, that it is socially inappropriate or they do not want full sexual intercourse, but still wish to enjoy a mutual sexual act. It is also part of a full repertoire of sexual intercourse, where it may be used as an interlude, foreplay or simply as an alternative to penetration. For some people, it is the primary sexual activity of choice above all others, perhaps because it enables the individuals to see each other face to face and leaves the hands free to caress, as in frottage.

Mutual masturbation is practiced by people of all sexual orientations. If used as an alternative to penile-vaginal penetration, the aim may be to preserve virginity or to prevent pregnancy. Some people choose it as it achieves sexual satisfaction without actual sex, possibly seeing it as an alternative to casual sex.

Masturbation frequency, age and sex

Frequency of masturbation is determined by many factors, e.g., one's resistance to sexual tension, hormone levels influencing sexual arousal, sexual habits, peer influences, health and one's attitude to masturbation formed by culture. Medical causes have also been associated with masturbation.

Different studies have found that masturbation is frequent in humans. Alfred Kinsey's studies have shown that 92% of men and 62% of women have masturbated during their lifespan. Similar results have been found in a British national probability survey. It was found that 95% of men and 71% of women masturbated at some point in their lives. 73% of men and 37% of women reported masturbating in the four weeks before their interview, while 53% of men and 18% of women reported masturbating in the previous seven days.

"Forty-eight female college students were asked to complete a sexual attitudes questionnaire in which a frequency of masturbation scale was embedded. Twenty-four of the women (the experimental group) then individually viewed an explicit modeling film involving female masturbation. One month later, all subjects again completed the same questionnaire. Subjects in the experimental group also completed a questionnaire evaluating aspects of the film. Results indicated that the experimental group reported a significant increase in the average monthly frequency of masturbation, as compared to the control group. This same group, however, reported that the film had no effect on sexual attitudes or behavior."

A 2004 survey by Toronto magazine NOW was answered by an unspecified number of thousands. The results show that an overwhelming majority of the males – 81% – began masturbating between the ages of 10 and 15. Among females, the same figure was a more modest majority of 55%. (Note that surveys on sexual practices are prone to self-selection bias.) It is not uncommon however to begin much earlier, and this is more frequent among females: 18% had begun by the time they turned 10, and 6% already by the time they turned 6. Being the main outlet of child sexuality, masturbation has been observed in very young children. In the book Human Sexuality: Diversity in Contemporary America, by Strong, Devault and Sayad, the authors point out, "A baby boy may laugh in his crib while playing with his erect penis (although he does not ejaculate). Baby girls sometimes move their bodies rhythmically, almost violently, appearing to experience orgasm."

A Canadian survey of Now magazine readers (cited above), has it that the frequency of masturbation declines after the age of 17. Many males masturbate daily, or even more frequently, well into their 20s and sometimes far beyond. This decline is more drastic among females, and more gradual among males. While females aged 13–17 masturbated almost once a day on average (and almost as often as their male peers), adult women only masturbated 8–9 times a month, compared to the 18–22 among men. Adolescent youths report being able to masturbate to ejaculation around six times per day, though some men in older middle age report being hard pressed to ejaculate even once per day. On the other hand healthy 21-28 year old males are able to masturbate at least 8-10 times per day if they are not stressed. The survey does not give a full demographic breakdown of respondents, however, and the sexual history of respondents to this poll, who are readers of an urban Toronto lifestyle magazine, may not extend to the general population.

It appears that females are less likely to masturbate while in a heterosexual relationship than men. Popular belief asserts that individuals of either sex who are not in sexually active relationships tend to masturbate more frequently than those who are; however, much of the time this is not true as masturbation alone or with a partner is often a feature of a relationship. Contrary to conventional wisdom, several studies actually reveal a positive correlation between the frequency of masturbation and the frequency of intercourse. One study reported a significantly higher rate of masturbation in gay men and women who were in a relationship.

Among some cultures, such as the Hopi in Arizona, the Wogeno in Oceania, and the Dahomeans and Namu of Africa, masturbation is encouraged, including regular masturbation between males. In certain Melanesian communities this is expected between older and younger boys. One interesting twist is the Sambia tribe of New Guinea. This tribe has rituals and rites of passage surrounding manhood which involve frequent ejaculation through fellatio. Semen is valued and masturbation is seen as a waste of semen and is therefore frowned upon even though frequent ejaculation is encouraged. The capacity and need to ejaculate is nurtured for years from an early age through fellatio so that it can be consumed rather than wasted. Semen is ingested for strength and is considered in the same line as mothers' milk.

Other cultures have rites of passage into manhood that culminate in the first ejaculation of a male, usually by the hands of a tribal elder. In some tribes such as the Agta, Philippines, stimulation of the genitals is encouraged from an early age. Upon puberty, the young male is then paired off with a "wise elder" or "witch doctor" who uses masturbation to build his ability to ejaculate in preparation for a ceremony. The ceremony culminates in a public ejaculation before a celebration. The ejaculate is saved in a wad of animal skin and worn later to help conceive children. In this and other tribes, the measure of manhood is actually associated more with the amount of ejaculate and his need than penis size. Frequent ejaculation through masturbation from an early age fosters frequent ejaculation well into adulthood.

Masturbation is becoming accepted as a healthy practice and safe method for sharing pleasure without some of the dangers that can accompany intercourse. It is socially accepted and even celebrated in certain circles. Group masturbation events can be easily found online. Masturbation marathons are yearly events and are occurring across the globe. These events provide a supportive environment where masturbation can be performed openly among young and old without embarrassment. Participants talk openly with onlookers while masturbating to share techniques and describe their pleasure.

Evolutionary utility

Masturbation may increase fertility during intercourse.

Female masturbation alters conditions in the vagina, cervix and uterus, in ways that can alter the chances of conception from intercourse, depending on the timing of the masturbation. A woman's orgasm between one minute before and up to 45 minutes after insemination favors the chances of that sperm reaching her egg. If, for example, she has had intercourse with more than one male, such an orgasm can increase the likelihood of a pregnancy by one of them. Female masturbation can also provide protection against cervical infections by increasing the acidity of the cervical mucus and by moving debris out of the cervix.

In males, masturbation flushes out old sperm with low motility from the male's genital tract. The next ejaculate then contains more fresh sperm, which have higher chances of achieving conception during intercourse. If more than one male has intercourse with a female, the sperm with the highest motility will compete more effectively.

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Health and psychological effects

Benefits

The physical benefits of masturbation and having an orgasm or ejaculating creates heightened arousal while epinephrine courses through the body, producing the flushed face, shallow breath and post-climactic euphoria. It is held in many mental health circles that masturbation can relieve depression, stress and lead to a higher sense of self-worth (Hurlbert & Whittaker, 1991). Masturbation can also be particularly useful in relationships where one partner wants more sex than the other – in which case masturbation provides a balancing effect and thus a more harmonious relationship.

Mutual masturbation, the act by which two or more partners stimulate themselves in the presence of each other, allows a couple to reveal the "map to pleasure centers". Witnessing a partner masturbate is an educational activity to find out the method a partner pleases him- or herself, allowing each partner to learn exactly how the other enjoys being touched.

In 2003, an Australian research team led by Graham Giles of The Cancer Council Australia concluded that frequent masturbation by males appears to help prevent the development of prostate cancer. The study also indicated that this would be more helpful than ejaculation through sexual intercourse because intercourse can transmit diseases that may increase the risk of cancer instead. Also, frequent ejaculation is more easily obtained and sustained over time with the aid of masturbation.

A study published in 1997 found an inverse association between death from coronary heart disease and frequency of orgasm even given the risk that myocardial ischaemia and myocardial infarction can be triggered by sexual activity. Excerpt, "The association between frequency or orgasm and all cause mortality was also examined using the midpoint of each response category recoded as number of orgasms per year. The age adjusted odds ratio for an increase of 100 orgasms per year was 0.64 (0.44 to 0.95)." That is, a difference between any two subjects appeared when one subject ejaculated at around two or more more times per week than the other. Assuming a broad range average of between 3 to 5 ejaculations per week for healthy males, this would mean 5 to 7 ejaculations per week. This is consistent with a 2003 Australia article on the benefits against prostate cancer.

Masturbation is also seen as a sexual technique that protects individuals from the risk of contracting sexually transmitted diseases. Support for such a view, and for making it part of the American sex education curriculum, led to the dismissal of US Surgeon General Joycelyn Elders during the Clinton administration.

Sexual climax, from masturbation or otherwise, leaves one in a relaxed and contented state. This is frequently followed closely by drowsiness and sleep – particularly when one masturbates in bed.

Some professionals consider masturbation to function as a cardiovascular workout. Though research is still as yet scant, those suffering from cardiovascular disorders (particularly those recovering from myocardial infarction, or heart attacks) should resume physical activity (including sexual intercourse and masturbation) gradually and with the frequency and rigor which their physical status will allow. This limitation can serve as encouragement to follow through with physical therapy sessions to help improve endurance.

Blood pressure

Both sex and masturbation lower blood pressure. A small study has shown that in one test group, recent full intercourse resulted in the lowest average blood pressure in stressful situations. Masturbation then led to lower blood pressure than did no recent sexual activity.

Insertion

Objects inserted into the vagina or anus should be clean and of a kind that will not scratch or break. Care should be taken not to fully insert anything into the anus – any object used should have a flared or flanged base; otherwise retrieval can require medical intervention. Modern dildos and anal plugs are designed with this feature.

Pregnancy

Masturbation involving both a man and a woman (see mutual masturbation) can result in pregnancy only if semen contacts the vulva. Masturbation with a partner can also theoretically result in transmission of sexually transmitted diseases by contact with bodily fluids.

Problems for males

A man whose penis has suffered a blunt trauma or injury during intercourse may rarely sustain a penile fracture or suffer from Peyronie's disease. Phimosis is "a contracted foreskin (that) may cause trouble by hurting when an attempt is made to pull the foreskin back". In these cases, any energetic manipulation of the penis can be problematic.

Lawrence I. Sank thought that masturbating prone (lying face downward) could be responsible for sexual problems in some men including anorgasmia and erectile dysfunction. He based this theory on four men he examined and coined the term traumatic masturbatory syndrome to describe it. As of 2008, no follow-up research has been conducted and the idea is not familiar or widely-held within the medical community. Some authors, however, continue to give it credence.

Compulsive masturbation

Sigmund Freud pointed out that every normal child usually experiments with many types of autoerotic sexual stimulation. Social repressions of sexuality reached their peak in the Victorian era when popular authors wrote books threatening young children with mental deficiency or insanity if they indulged in any form of masturbation. Actually there is no scientific evidence of any causative relationship between autoeroticism and any form of mental disorder. Though mentally disturbed persons characteristically show poor judgment in expressing sexuality, this may be understood as a symptom rather than a cause. Each child however, must learn the appropriate social and legal limitations relating to expressing sexuality. Masturbating frequently presents no physical, mental or emotional risk in itself, but masturbation can be used to relieve boredom or stress. In either case, as with any "nervous habit", it is more helpful to consider the causes of the boredom or of the stress, rather than try to repress the masturbation.

There is some discussion between professionals and other interested parties as to the existence or validity of sexual addictions. Nevertheless, there are lists of warning signs such as when sexual activity affects a person's ability to function in everyday life, or is placing them at risk, for example, of pursuing illegal or destructive activities. Very frequent and compulsive masturbation may be seen as a sign of sexual addiction.

Masturbation in history and society

Antiquity

There are depictions of male masturbation in prehistoric rock paintings around the world. Most early people seem to have connected human sexuality with abundance in nature. A clay figurine of the 4th millennium BC from a temple site on the island of Malta, depicts a woman masturbating. However, in the ancient world depictions of male masturbation are far more common.

From the earliest records, ancient Sumer had a relaxed attitude toward sex, and masturbation was a popular technique for enhancing potency, either alone or with a partner.

Male masturbation became an even more important image in ancient Egypt: when performed by a god it could be considered a creative or magical act: the god Atum was believed to have created the universe by masturbating to ejaculation, and the ebb and flow of the Nile was attributed to the frequency of his ejaculations. Egyptian pharoahs, in response to this, were at one time required to masturbate ceremonially into the Nile.

The ancient Greeks had a more relaxed attitude toward masturbation than the Egyptians did, regarding the act as a normal and healthy substitute for other forms of sexual pleasure. They considered it a safety valve against destructive sexual frustration. The Greeks also dealt with female masturbation in both their art and writings. One common term used for it was anaphlan, which roughly translates as "up-fire".

Diogenes, speaking in jest, credited the god Hermes with its invention: he allegedly took pity on his son Pan, who was pining for Echo but unable to seduce her, and taught him the trick of masturbation in order to relieve his suffering. Pan in his turn taught the habit to young shepherds.

Religious views

    Main article: Religious views on masturbation

    Also see Sexuality and Religion for broad coverage of this topic

Religions vary broadly in their views of masturbation, from completely impermissible to encouraged as a way to achieve greater spirituality (see, for example Tantric sexuality and Taoist sexual practices).

Philosophical arguments

Immanuel Kant regarded masturbation as a violation of the moral law. In the Metaphysics of Morals (1797) he made the a posteriori argument that 'such an unnatural use of one's sexual attributes' strikes 'everyone upon his thinking of it' as 'a violation of one's duty to himself', and suggested that it was regarded as immoral even to give it its proper name (unlike the case of the similarly undutiful act of suicide). He went on, however, to acknowledge that 'it is not so easy to produce a rational demonstration of the inadmissibility of that unnatural use', but ultimately concluded that its immorality lay in the fact that 'a man gives up his personality … when he uses himself merely as a means for the gratification of an animal drive'.

Subsequent critics of masturbation tended to argue against it on more physiological grounds, however (see medical attitudes).

Medical attitudes
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The first use of the word "onanism" to consistently and specifically refer to masturbation appears to be Onania, an anonymous pamphlet first distributed in London in 1716. It drew on familiar themes of sin and vice, this time in particular against the "heinous sin" of "self-pollution". After dire warnings that those who so indulged would suffer impotence, gonorrhea, epilepsy and a wasting of the faculties (included were letters and testimonials supposedly from young men ill and dying from the effects of compulsive masturbation) the pamphlet then goes on to recommend as an effective remedy a "Strengthening Tincture" at 10 shillings a bottle and a "Prolific Powder" at 12 shillings a bag, available from a local shop.
A patented device designed to prevent masturbation by inflicting electric shocks upon the perpetrator, by ringing an alarm bell, and through spikes at the inner edge of the tube into which the penis is inserted. The entire patent document: Page 1, 2, 3, 4.
A patented device designed to prevent masturbation by inflicting electric shocks upon the perpetrator, by ringing an alarm bell, and through spikes at the inner edge of the tube into which the penis is inserted. The entire patent document: Page 1, 2, 3, 4.

One of the many horrified by the descriptions of malady in Onania was the notable Swiss physician Samuel-Auguste Tissot. In 1760, he published L'Onanisme, his own comprehensive medical treatise on the purported ill-effects of masturbation. Citing case studies of young male masturbators amongst his patients in Lausanne, Switzerland as basis for his reasoning, Tissot argued that semen was an "essential oil" and "stimulus" that, when lost from the body in great amounts, would cause "a perceptible reduction of strength, of memory and even of reason; blurred vision, all the nervous disorders, all types of gout and rheumatism, weakening of the organs of generation, blood in the urine, disturbance of the appetite, headaches and a great number of other disorders."

Though Tissot's ideas are now considered conjectural at best, his treatise was presented as a scholarly, scientific work in a time when experimental physiology was practically nonexistent. The authority with which the work was subsequently treated – Tissot's arguments were even acknowledged and echoed by luminaries such as Kant and Voltaire – arguably turned the perception of masturbation in Western medicine over the next two centuries into that of a debilitating illness.

This continued well into the Victorian Era, where such medical censure of masturbation was in line with the widespread social conservatism and opposition to open sexual behavior common at the time. There were recommendations to have boys' pants constructed so that the genitals could not be touched through the pockets, for schoolchildren to be seated at special desks to prevent their crossing their legs in class and for girls to be forbidden from riding horses and bicycles because the sensations these activities produce were considered too similar to masturbation. Boys and young men who nevertheless continued to indulge in the practice were branded as "weak-minded." Many "remedies" were devised, including eating a bland, meatless diet. This approach was promoted by Dr. John Harvey Kellogg (inventor of corn flakes) and Rev. Sylvester Graham (inventor of Graham crackers). The medical literature of the times describes procedures for electric shock treatment, infibulation, restraining devices like chastity belts and straitjackets, cauterization or – as a last resort – wholesale surgical excision of the genitals. Routine neonatal circumcision was widely adopted in the United States and the UK at least partly because of its believed preventive effect against masturbation (see also History of male circumcision). In later decades, the more drastic of these measures were increasingly replaced with psychological techniques, such as warnings that masturbation led to blindness, hairy hands or stunted growth. Some of these persist as myths even today.
Image of a chastity belt from a patent document. For entire document, see: Page 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6
Image of a chastity belt from a patent document. For entire document, see: Page 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6

At the same time, the supposed medical condition of hysteria—from the Greek hystera or uterus—was being treated by what would now be described as medically administered or medically prescribed masturbation for women. Techniques included use of the earliest vibrators and rubbing the genitals with placebo creams.

Medical attitudes toward masturbation began to change at the beginning of the 20th century when H. Havelock Ellis, in his seminal 1897 work Studies in the Psychology of Sex, questioned Tissot's premises, cheerfully named famous men of the era who masturbated and then set out to disprove (with the work of more recent physicians) each of the claimed diseases of which masturbation was purportedly the cause. "We reach the conclusion", he wrote, "that in the case of moderate masturbation in healthy, well-born individuals, no seriously pernicious results necessarily follow."

Robert Baden-Powell, the founder of The Scout Association, incorporated a passage in the 1914 edition of Scouting for Boys warning against the dangers of masturbation. This passage stated that the individual should run away from the temptation by performing physical activity which was supposed to tire the individual so that masturbation could not be performed. By 1930, however, Dr. F. W. W. Griffin, editor of The Scouter, had written in a book for Rover Scouts that the temptation to masturbate was "a quite natural stage of development" and, citing Ellis' work, held that "the effort to achieve complete abstinence was a very serious error."

The works of Sexologist Alfred Kinsey during the 1940s and 1950s insisted that masturbation was an instinctive behavior for both males and females, citing the results of Gallup Poll surveys indicating how common it was in the United States. Some critics of this theory held that his research was biased and that the Gallup Poll method was redundant for defining "natural behavior".

In 1994, when the Surgeon General of the United States, Dr. Joycelyn Elders, mentioned as an aside that it should be mentioned in school curricula that masturbation was safe and healthy, she was forced to resign, with opponents asserting that she was promoting the teaching of how to masturbate. Many believe this was the result of her long history of promoting controversial viewpoints and not due solely to her public mention of masturbation.

Law

The legal status of masturbation throughout history has varied from virtually unlimited acceptance to complete illegality. In a 1640s law code for the Puritan colony of New Haven, Connecticut in the 17th century "blasphemers, homosexuals and masturbators" were eligible for the death penalty.

Masturbate-a-thon

    Main article: Masturbate-a-thon

Masturbate-a-thons are public, charity events that are "intended to encourage people to explore safer sex, talk about masturbation and lift the taboos that still surround the subject." May is considered "Masturbation Month" by an evolving, loosely connected group of masturbation activists, including Betty Dodson, Joani Blank, Susan Block, Kyla Zellers, Carol Queen, and Dr. Gary Francis Fanning Jr.

Euphemisms

A huge variety of euphemisms and dysphemisms exist which describe masturbation. For a complete list of terms, see the entry for masturbate in Wikisaurus.

Masturbation in media

Paintings and drawings
A Young Woman Masturbating, depicted by Gustav Klimt
A Young Woman Masturbating, depicted by Gustav Klimt

There are depictions of male masturbation in prehistoric rock paintings around the world. Most early people seem to have connected human sexuality with abundance in nature. A clay figurine of the 4th millennium BC from a temple site on the island of Malta, depicts a woman masturbating. However, in the ancient world depictions of male masturbation are far more common.

Film

A number of films feature masturbation scenes.

Music

In popular music, there are a handful of songs that deal with the issue of masturbation. Some of the earliest examples are "My Ding-a-Ling" by Chuck Berry and "Pictures of Lily" by The Who.

Some of the more recent popular songs are "Turning Japanese" by The Vapors, a reference to the Oriental facial features people get at the moment of climax and "She Bop" by Cyndi Lauper which was so obviously about masturbation that it was required to have a parental advisory sticker. In an interview Lauper admitted recording the song naked. "I Touch Myself" by Divinyls is a celebration of female masturbation. "Touch of My Hand" by Britney Spears is also about how female masturbation is normal.

The song Orgasm Addict by The Buzzcocks also features lyrics centered around the theme of masturbation. Another song, Wow, I Can Get Sexual Too By Say Anything has a chorus that repeats the lines "She Touched Herself".

Literature

In October 1972, an important censorship case was held in Australia, leading to the banning of Philip Roth's novel Portnoy's Complaint in that country due to its masturbation references. The censorship led to public outcry at the time.

Masturbation in other animal species

    Main article: Animal sexuality#Autoeroticism (masturbation)

Masturbatory behavior has been documented in a very wide range of species. Individuals of some species have been known to create tools for masturbation purposes.

See also

    * Nocturnal emission
    * Fingering
    * Handjob
    * Die große Nacht im Eimer (painting)
    * Chastity belt


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Health and psychological effects

Benefits

The physical benefits of masturbation and having an orgasm or ejaculating creates heightened arousal while epinephrine courses through the body, producing the flushed face, shallow breath and post-climactic euphoria. It is held in many mental health circles that masturbation can relieve depression, stress and lead to a higher sense of self-worth (Hurlbert & Whittaker, 1991). Masturbation can also be particularly useful in relationships where one partner wants more sex than the other – in which case masturbation provides a balancing effect and thus a more harmonious relationship.

Mutual masturbation, the act by which two or more partners stimulate themselves in the presence of each other, allows a couple to reveal the "map to pleasure centers". Witnessing a partner masturbate is an educational activity to find out the method a partner pleases him- or herself, allowing each partner to learn exactly how the other enjoys being touched.

In 2003, an Australian research team led by Graham Giles of The Cancer Council Australia concluded that frequent masturbation by males appears to help prevent the development of prostate cancer. The study also indicated that this would be more helpful than ejaculation through sexual intercourse because intercourse can transmit diseases that may increase the risk of cancer instead. Also, frequent ejaculation is more easily obtained and sustained over time with the aid of masturbation.

A study published in 1997 found an inverse association between death from coronary heart disease and frequency of orgasm even given the risk that myocardial ischaemia and myocardial infarction can be triggered by sexual activity. Excerpt, "The association between frequency or orgasm and all cause mortality was also examined using the midpoint of each response category recoded as number of orgasms per year. The age adjusted odds ratio for an increase of 100 orgasms per year was 0.64 (0.44 to 0.95)." That is, a difference between any two subjects appeared when one subject ejaculated at around two or more more times per week than the other. Assuming a broad range average of between 3 to 5 ejaculations per week for healthy males, this would mean 5 to 7 ejaculations per week. This is consistent with a 2003 Australia article on the benefits against prostate cancer.

Masturbation is also seen as a sexual technique that protects individuals from the risk of contracting sexually transmitted diseases. Support for such a view, and for making it part of the American sex education curriculum, led to the dismissal of US Surgeon General Joycelyn Elders during the Clinton administration.

Sexual climax, from masturbation or otherwise, leaves one in a relaxed and contented state. This is frequently followed closely by drowsiness and sleep – particularly when one masturbates in bed.

Some professionals consider masturbation to function as a cardiovascular workout. Though research is still as yet scant, those suffering from cardiovascular disorders (particularly those recovering from myocardial infarction, or heart attacks) should resume physical activity (including sexual intercourse and masturbation) gradually and with the frequency and rigor which their physical status will allow. This limitation can serve as encouragement to follow through with physical therapy sessions to help improve endurance.

Blood pressure

Both sex and masturbation lower blood pressure. A small study has shown that in one test group, recent full intercourse resulted in the lowest average blood pressure in stressful situations. Masturbation then led to lower blood pressure than did no recent sexual activity.

Insertion

Objects inserted into the vagina or anus should be clean and of a kind that will not scratch or break. Care should be taken not to fully insert anything into the anus – any object used should have a flared or flanged base; otherwise retrieval can require medical intervention. Modern dildos and anal plugs are designed with this feature.

Pregnancy

Masturbation involving both a man and a woman (see mutual masturbation) can result in pregnancy only if semen contacts the vulva. Masturbation with a partner can also theoretically result in transmission of sexually transmitted diseases by contact with bodily fluids.

Problems for males

A man whose penis has suffered a blunt trauma or injury during intercourse may rarely sustain a penile fracture or suffer from Peyronie's disease. Phimosis is "a contracted foreskin (that) may cause trouble by hurting when an attempt is made to pull the foreskin back". In these cases, any energetic manipulation of the penis can be problematic.

Lawrence I. Sank thought that masturbating prone (lying face downward) could be responsible for sexual problems in some men including anorgasmia and erectile dysfunction. He based this theory on four men he examined and coined the term traumatic masturbatory syndrome to describe it. As of 2008, no follow-up research has been conducted and the idea is not familiar or widely-held within the medical community. Some authors, however, continue to give it credence.

Compulsive masturbation

Sigmund Freud pointed out that every normal child usually experiments with many types of autoerotic sexual stimulation. Social repressions of sexuality reached their peak in the Victorian era when popular authors wrote books threatening young children with mental deficiency or insanity if they indulged in any form of masturbation. Actually there is no scientific evidence of any causative relationship between autoeroticism and any form of mental disorder. Though mentally disturbed persons characteristically show poor judgment in expressing sexuality, this may be understood as a symptom rather than a cause. Each child however, must learn the appropriate social and legal limitations relating to expressing sexuality. Masturbating frequently presents no physical, mental or emotional risk in itself, but masturbation can be used to relieve boredom or stress. In either case, as with any "nervous habit", it is more helpful to consider the causes of the boredom or of the stress, rather than try to repress the masturbation.

There is some discussion between professionals and other interested parties as to the existence or validity of sexual addictions. Nevertheless, there are lists of warning signs such as when sexual activity affects a person's ability to function in everyday life, or is placing them at risk, for example, of pursuing illegal or destructive activities. Very frequent and compulsive masturbation may be seen as a sign of sexual addiction.

Masturbation in history and society

Antiquity

There are depictions of male masturbation in prehistoric rock paintings around the world. Most early people seem to have connected human sexuality with abundance in nature. A clay figurine of the 4th millennium BC from a temple site on the island of Malta, depicts a woman masturbating. However, in the ancient world depictions of male masturbation are far more common.

From the earliest records, ancient Sumer had a relaxed attitude toward sex, and masturbation was a popular technique for enhancing potency, either alone or with a partner.

Male masturbation became an even more important image in ancient Egypt: when performed by a god it could be considered a creative or magical act: the god Atum was believed to have created the universe by masturbating to ejaculation, and the ebb and flow of the Nile was attributed to the frequency of his ejaculations. Egyptian pharoahs, in response to this, were at one time required to masturbate ceremonially into the Nile.

The ancient Greeks had a more relaxed attitude toward masturbation than the Egyptians did, regarding the act as a normal and healthy substitute for other forms of sexual pleasure. They considered it a safety valve against destructive sexual frustration. The Greeks also dealt with female masturbation in both their art and writings. One common term used for it was anaphlan, which roughly translates as "up-fire".

Diogenes, speaking in jest, credited the god Hermes with its invention: he allegedly took pity on his son Pan, who was pining for Echo but unable to seduce her, and taught him the trick of masturbation in order to relieve his suffering. Pan in his turn taught the habit to young shepherds.

Religious views

    Main article: Religious views on masturbation

    Also see Sexuality and Religion for broad coverage of this topic

Religions vary broadly in their views of masturbation, from completely impermissible to encouraged as a way to achieve greater spirituality (see, for example Tantric sexuality and Taoist sexual practices).

Philosophical arguments

Immanuel Kant regarded masturbation as a violation of the moral law. In the Metaphysics of Morals (1797) he made the a posteriori argument that 'such an unnatural use of one's sexual attributes' strikes 'everyone upon his thinking of it' as 'a violation of one's duty to himself', and suggested that it was regarded as immoral even to give it its proper name (unlike the case of the similarly undutiful act of suicide). He went on, however, to acknowledge that 'it is not so easy to produce a rational demonstration of the inadmissibility of that unnatural use', but ultimately concluded that its immorality lay in the fact that 'a man gives up his personality … when he uses himself merely as a means for the gratification of an animal drive'.

Subsequent critics of masturbation tended to argue against it on more physiological grounds, however (see medical attitudes).

Medical attitudes
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The first use of the word "onanism" to consistently and specifically refer to masturbation appears to be Onania, an anonymous pamphlet first distributed in London in 1716. It drew on familiar themes of sin and vice, this time in particular against the "heinous sin" of "self-pollution". After dire warnings that those who so indulged would suffer impotence, gonorrhea, epilepsy and a wasting of the faculties (included were letters and testimonials supposedly from young men ill and dying from the effects of compulsive masturbation) the pamphlet then goes on to recommend as an effective remedy a "Strengthening Tincture" at 10 shillings a bottle and a "Prolific Powder" at 12 shillings a bag, available from a local shop.
A patented device designed to prevent masturbation by inflicting electric shocks upon the perpetrator, by ringing an alarm bell, and through spikes at the inner edge of the tube into which the penis is inserted. The entire patent document: Page 1, 2, 3, 4.
A patented device designed to prevent masturbation by inflicting electric shocks upon the perpetrator, by ringing an alarm bell, and through spikes at the inner edge of the tube into which the penis is inserted. The entire patent document: Page 1, 2, 3, 4.

One of the many horrified by the descriptions of malady in Onania was the notable Swiss physician Samuel-Auguste Tissot. In 1760, he published L'Onanisme, his own comprehensive medical treatise on the purported ill-effects of masturbation. Citing case studies of young male masturbators amongst his patients in Lausanne, Switzerland as basis for his reasoning, Tissot argued that semen was an "essential oil" and "stimulus" that, when lost from the body in great amounts, would cause "a perceptible reduction of strength, of memory and even of reason; blurred vision, all the nervous disorders, all types of gout and rheumatism, weakening of the organs of generation, blood in the urine, disturbance of the appetite, headaches and a great number of other disorders."

Though Tissot's ideas are now considered conjectural at best, his treatise was presented as a scholarly, scientific work in a time when experimental physiology was practically nonexistent. The authority with which the work was subsequently treated – Tissot's arguments were even acknowledged and echoed by luminaries such as Kant and Voltaire – arguably turned the perception of masturbation in Western medicine over the next two centuries into that of a debilitating illness.

This continued well into the Victorian Era, where such medical censure of masturbation was in line with the widespread social conservatism and opposition to open sexual behavior common at the time. There were recommendations to have boys' pants constructed so that the genitals could not be touched through the pockets, for schoolchildren to be seated at special desks to prevent their crossing their legs in class and for girls to be forbidden from riding horses and bicycles because the sensations these activities produce were considered too similar to masturbation. Boys and young men who nevertheless continued to indulge in the practice were branded as "weak-minded." Many "remedies" were devised, including eating a bland, meatless diet. This approach was promoted by Dr. John Harvey Kellogg (inventor of corn flakes) and Rev. Sylvester Graham (inventor of Graham crackers). The medical literature of the times describes procedures for electric shock treatment, infibulation, restraining devices like chastity belts and straitjackets, cauterization or – as a last resort – wholesale surgical excision of the genitals. Routine neonatal circumcision was widely adopted in the United States and the UK at least partly because of its believed preventive effect against masturbation (see also History of male circumcision). In later decades, the more drastic of these measures were increasingly replaced with psychological techniques, such as warnings that masturbation led to blindness, hairy hands or stunted growth. Some of these persist as myths even today.
Image of a chastity belt from a patent document. For entire document, see: Page 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6
Image of a chastity belt from a patent document. For entire document, see: Page 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6

At the same time, the supposed medical condition of hysteria—from the Greek hystera or uterus—was being treated by what would now be described as medically administered or medically prescribed masturbation for women. Techniques included use of the earliest vibrators and rubbing the genitals with placebo creams.

Medical attitudes toward masturbation began to change at the beginning of the 20th century when H. Havelock Ellis, in his seminal 1897 work Studies in the Psychology of Sex, questioned Tissot's premises, cheerfully named famous men of the era who masturbated and then set out to disprove (with the work of more recent physicians) each of the claimed diseases of which masturbation was purportedly the cause. "We reach the conclusion", he wrote, "that in the case of moderate masturbation in healthy, well-born individuals, no seriously pernicious results necessarily follow."

Robert Baden-Powell, the founder of The Scout Association, incorporated a passage in the 1914 edition of Scouting for Boys warning against the dangers of masturbation. This passage stated that the individual should run away from the temptation by performing physical activity which was supposed to tire the individual so that masturbation could not be performed. By 1930, however, Dr. F. W. W. Griffin, editor of The Scouter, had written in a book for Rover Scouts that the temptation to masturbate was "a quite natural stage of development" and, citing Ellis' work, held that "the effort to achieve complete abstinence was a very serious error."

The works of Sexologist Alfred Kinsey during the 1940s and 1950s insisted that masturbation was an instinctive behavior for both males and females, citing the results of Gallup Poll surveys indicating how common it was in the United States. Some critics of this theory held that his research was biased and that the Gallup Poll method was redundant for defining "natural behavior".

In 1994, when the Surgeon General of the United States, Dr. Joycelyn Elders, mentioned as an aside that it should be mentioned in school curricula that masturbation was safe and healthy, she was forced to resign, with opponents asserting that she was promoting the teaching of how to masturbate. Many believe this was the result of her long history of promoting controversial viewpoints and not due solely to her public mention of masturbation.

Law

The legal status of masturbation throughout history has varied from virtually unlimited acceptance to complete illegality. In a 1640s law code for the Puritan colony of New Haven, Connecticut in the 17th century "blasphemers, homosexuals and masturbators" were eligible for the death penalty.

Masturbate-a-thon

    Main article: Masturbate-a-thon

Masturbate-a-thons are public, charity events that are "intended to encourage people to explore safer sex, talk about masturbation and lift the taboos that still surround the subject." May is considered "Masturbation Month" by an evolving, loosely connected group of masturbation activists, including Betty Dodson, Joani Blank, Susan Block, Kyla Zellers, Carol Queen, and Dr. Gary Francis Fanning Jr.

Euphemisms

A huge variety of euphemisms and dysphemisms exist which describe masturbation. For a complete list of terms, see the entry for masturbate in Wikisaurus.

Masturbation in media

Paintings and drawings
A Young Woman Masturbating, depicted by Gustav Klimt
A Young Woman Masturbating, depicted by Gustav Klimt

There are depictions of male masturbation in prehistoric rock paintings around the world. Most early people seem to have connected human sexuality with abundance in nature. A clay figurine of the 4th millennium BC from a temple site on the island of Malta, depicts a woman masturbating. However, in the ancient world depictions of male masturbation are far more common.

Film

A number of films feature masturbation scenes.

Music

In popular music, there are a handful of songs that deal with the issue of masturbation. Some of the earliest examples are "My Ding-a-Ling" by Chuck Berry and "Pictures of Lily" by The Who.

Some of the more recent popular songs are "Turning Japanese" by The Vapors, a reference to the Oriental facial features people get at the moment of climax and "She Bop" by Cyndi Lauper which was so obviously about masturbation that it was required to have a parental advisory sticker. In an interview Lauper admitted recording the song naked. "I Touch Myself" by Divinyls is a celebration of female masturbation. "Touch of My Hand" by Britney Spears is also about how female masturbation is normal.

The song Orgasm Addict by The Buzzcocks also features lyrics centered around the theme of masturbation. Another song, Wow, I Can Get Sexual Too By Say Anything has a chorus that repeats the lines "She Touched Herself".

Literature

In October 1972, an important censorship case was held in Australia, leading to the banning of Philip Roth's novel Portnoy's Complaint in that country due to its masturbation references. The censorship led to public outcry at the time.

Masturbation in other animal species

    Main article: Animal sexuality#Autoeroticism (masturbation)

Masturbatory behavior has been documented in a very wide range of species. Individuals of some species have been known to create tools for masturbation purposes.

See also

    * Nocturnal emission
    * Fingering
    * Handjob
    * Die große Nacht im Eimer (painting)
    * Chastity belt


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Masturbation
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Man masturbating, with ejaculation.
Man masturbating, with ejaculation.
Woman masturbating.
Woman masturbating.

Masturbation refers to sexual stimulation, especially of one's own genitals and often to the point of orgasm, which is performed manually, by other types of bodily contact (except for sexual intercourse), by use of objects or tools, or by some combination of these methods. Masturbation is the most common form of autoeroticism, and the two words are often used as synonyms, although masturbation with a partner (mutual masturbation) is also common. Animal masturbation has been observed in many species, both in the wild and in captivity.
Contents


    * 1 Etymology
    * 2 Masturbation techniques
          o 2.1 Female
          o 2.2 Male
    * 3 Mutual masturbation
    * 4 Masturbation frequency, age and sex
    * 5 Evolutionary utility
    * 6 Health and psychological effects
          o 6.1 Benefits
          o 6.2 Blood pressure
          o 6.3 Insertion
          o 6.4 Pregnancy
          o 6.5 Problems for males
          o 6.6 Compulsive masturbation
    * 7 Masturbation in history and society
          o 7.1 Antiquity
          o 7.2 Religious views
          o 7.3 Philosophical arguments
          o 7.4 Medical attitudes
          o 7.5 Law
          o 7.6 Masturbate-a-thon
    * 8 Euphemisms
    * 9 Masturbation in media
          o 9.1 Paintings and drawings
          o 9.2 Film
          o 9.3 Music
          o 9.4 Literature
    * 10 Masturbation in other animal species
    * 11 See also
    * 12 References
    * 13 See also
    * 14 External links

Etymology
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The word masturbation is believed to derive from either the Greek word mezea (μεζεα, "penes") or the Latin manus ("hand") and the Latin turbare ("to disturb"). A competing etymology based on the Latin manu stuprare ("to defile with the hand") is said by the Oxford English Dictionary to be an "old conjecture". The esoteric and little-used synonym manustupration is similarly derived from manus stuprare.

While "masturbation" is the medical term for this practice, many other terms and expressions are in common use. The term "Onanism," for example, alludes to the biblical story of Onan. In the vernacular, terms such as "pleasuring oneself", "wanking", "fap", and "jerking off" are common. See masturbate in Wikisaurus for many others.

Masturbation techniques

Ways of masturbating common to members of both sexes include pressing or rubbing the genital area, either with the fingers or against an object such as a pillow; inserting fingers or an object into the anus (see anal masturbation); and stimulating the penis or vulva with electric vibrators, which may also be inserted into the vagina or anus. Members of both sexes may also enjoy touching, rubbing, or pinching the nipples or other erogenous zones while masturbating. Both sexes sometimes apply lubricating substances to intensify sensation.

Reading or viewing pornography, or sexual fantasy, are often common adjuncts to masturbation. Often people will call upon memories during masturbation. Masturbation activities are often ritualised. Various fetishes and paraphilias can also play a part in the masturbation ritual. Some potentially harmful or fatal activities include autoerotic asphyxiation and self-bondage.

Some people get sexual pleasure by inserting objects into the urethra (the tube through which urine and, in men, semen, flows). If these objects are urethral sounds, the practice is known as "sounding". Other objects such as ball point pens and thermometers are sometimes used, although this practice can lead to injury and/or infection. Some people masturbate by using machines that simulate intercourse.

Men and women may masturbate until they are close to orgasm, stop for a while to reduce excitement, and then resume masturbating. They may repeat this cycle multiple times. Called "edging", this "stop and go" build up can achieve even stronger orgasms. Rarely, people quit stimulation just before orgasm to retain the heightened energy that normally comes down after orgasm due to the release of prolactin hormone. Doing this could lead to temporary discomfort due to pelvic congestion.

Austrian psychoanalyst Wilhelm Reich in his 1922 essay Concerning Specific Forms of Masturbation tried to identify healthy and unhealthy forms of masturbation. He tried to relate the way people masturbated to their degree of inclination towards the opposite sex and to their psycho-sexual pathologies.

Female

Female masturbation techniques include a woman stroking or rubbing her vulva, especially her clitoris, with her index and/or middle fingers. Sometimes one or more fingers may be inserted into her vagina to repeatedly stroke the frontal wall of her vagina where her g-spot is located. Masturbation aids such as a vibrator, dildo or Ben Wa balls can also be used to stimulate the vagina and clitoris. Many women caress their breasts or stimulate a nipple with the free hand, if these are receptive areas for sexual stimulation. Anal stimulation is also enjoyed by some. Lubrication is sometimes used during masturbation, especially when penetration is involved, but this is not universal and many women find their natural lubrication sufficient.
Woman masturbating
Woman masturbating

Common positions include lying on back or face down, sitting, squatting, kneeling or standing. In a bath or shower a female may direct tap water at her clitoris and vulva. Lying face down one may use the hands, one may straddle a pillow, the corner or edge of the bed, a partner's leg or some scrunched-up clothing and "hump" her vulva and clitoris against it. Standing up, a chair, the corner of an item of furniture or even a washing machine can be used to stimulate her clitoris through her labia and clothing.

In the 1920s, Havelock Ellis reported that turn-of-the-century seamstresses using treadle-operated sewing machines could achieve orgasm by sitting near the edge of their chairs.

Women can sexually stimulate themselves by crossing their legs tightly and clenching the muscles in their legs, creating pressure on the genitals. This can potentially be done in public without observers noticing. Some masturbate using only pressure applied to the clitoris without direct contact, for example by pressing the palm or ball of the hand against underwear or other clothing.

Thoughts, fantasies and memories of previous instances of arousal and orgasm can produce sexual arousal. Some women even claim to be able to orgasm spontaneously by force of will alone, but that ability, if it exists at all, may not strictly qualify as masturbation as no physical stimulus is involved.

Sex therapists will sometimes recommend that female patients take time to masturbate to orgasm, especially if they have not done so before.

Male
An uncircumcised male manually stimulates his erect penis
An uncircumcised male manually stimulates his erect penis

Male masturbation techniques are also influenced by a number of factors and personal preferences. Techniques may also differ between circumcised and uncircumcised males, as some techniques which may work for one can often be quite painful for the other.

The most common male masturbation technique is simply to hold the penis with a loose fist and then to move the hand up and down the shaft until orgasm and ejaculation take place. The speed of the hand motion will vary from male to male, although it is not uncommon for the speed to increase as ejaculation nears and for it to decrease during the ejaculation itself. When uncircumcised, stimulation of the penis in this way comes from the "pumping" of the foreskin. This gliding motion of the foreskin reduces friction. When circumcised, there is more direct contact between the hand and the glans, thus a personal lubricant is sometimes used to reduce friction. Sometimes, if too much pressure is applied, it may be rubbed sore for a time.

Circumcised or not, men may rub or massage the glans, the rim of the glans, and the frenular delta.

Another technique is to place just the index finger and thumb around the penis about halfway along the penis and move the skin up and down. A variation on this is to place the fingers and thumb on the penis as if playing a flute, and then shuttle them back and forth. Another common technique is to lie face down on a comfortable surface such as a mattress or pillow and rub the penis against it until orgasm is achieved. This technique may include the use of a simulacrum, or artificial vagina.

There are many other variations on male masturbation techniques. Some men place both hands directly on their penis during masturbation, while others use their free hand to fondle their testicles, nipples, or other parts of their body. Some may keep their hand stationary while pumping into it with pelvic thrusts in order to simulate the motions of sexual intercourse. Others may also use vibrators and other sexual devices more commonly associated with female masturbation. A few extremely flexible males can reach and stimulate their penis with their tongue or lips, and so perform autofellatio.

The prostate gland is one of the organs that contributes fluid to semen. As the prostate is touch-sensitive, some directly stimulate it using a well-lubricated finger or dildo inserted through the anus into the rectum. Stimulating the prostate from outside, via pressure on the perineum, can be pleasurable as well. Some men, also, enjoy anal stimulation, with fingers or otherwise, without any prostate stimulation.

Semen is sometimes ejaculated onto a tissue or some other item.

A somewhat controversial ejaculation control technique is to put pressure on the perineum, about halfway between the scrotum and the anus, just before ejaculating. This can, however, redirect semen into the bladder (referred to as retrograde ejaculation). If repeated on a regular basis, this technique could cause long term damage due to the pressure put on the nerves and blood vessels in the perineum. A dry orgasm is one that is reached while withholding ejaculation (or where retrograde ejaculation has taken place). Proponents of dry orgasm say that this is a learnable skill that can shorten the refractory period.

Mutual masturbation
Johann Nepomuk, watercolor, 1840.
Johann Nepomuk, watercolor, 1840.

    Main article: Mutual masturbation

Mutual masturbation is a sexual act where two or more people stimulate themselves or one another sexually, usually with the hands.

This may be done in situations where the participants do not feel physically able, that it is socially inappropriate or they do not want full sexual intercourse, but still wish to enjoy a mutual sexual act. It is also part of a full repertoire of sexual intercourse, where it may be used as an interlude, foreplay or simply as an alternative to penetration. For some people, it is the primary sexual activity of choice above all others, perhaps because it enables the individuals to see each other face to face and leaves the hands free to caress, as in frottage.

Mutual masturbation is practiced by people of all sexual orientations. If used as an alternative to penile-vaginal penetration, the aim may be to preserve virginity or to prevent pregnancy. Some people choose it as it achieves sexual satisfaction without actual sex, possibly seeing it as an alternative to casual sex.

Masturbation frequency, age and sex

Frequency of masturbation is determined by many factors, e.g., one's resistance to sexual tension, hormone levels influencing sexual arousal, sexual habits, peer influences, health and one's attitude to masturbation formed by culture. Medical causes have also been associated with masturbation.

Different studies have found that masturbation is frequent in humans. Alfred Kinsey's studies have shown that 92% of men and 62% of women have masturbated during their lifespan. Similar results have been found in a British national probability survey. It was found that 95% of men and 71% of women masturbated at some point in their lives. 73% of men and 37% of women reported masturbating in the four weeks before their interview, while 53% of men and 18% of women reported masturbating in the previous seven days.

"Forty-eight female college students were asked to complete a sexual attitudes questionnaire in which a frequency of masturbation scale was embedded. Twenty-four of the women (the experimental group) then individually viewed an explicit modeling film involving female masturbation. One month later, all subjects again completed the same questionnaire. Subjects in the experimental group also completed a questionnaire evaluating aspects of the film. Results indicated that the experimental group reported a significant increase in the average monthly frequency of masturbation, as compared to the control group. This same group, however, reported that the film had no effect on sexual attitudes or behavior."

A 2004 survey by Toronto magazine NOW was answered by an unspecified number of thousands. The results show that an overwhelming majority of the males – 81% – began masturbating between the ages of 10 and 15. Among females, the same figure was a more modest majority of 55%. (Note that surveys on sexual practices are prone to self-selection bias.) It is not uncommon however to begin much earlier, and this is more frequent among females: 18% had begun by the time they turned 10, and 6% already by the time they turned 6. Being the main outlet of child sexuality, masturbation has been observed in very young children. In the book Human Sexuality: Diversity in Contemporary America, by Strong, Devault and Sayad, the authors point out, "A baby boy may laugh in his crib while playing with his erect penis (although he does not ejaculate). Baby girls sometimes move their bodies rhythmically, almost violently, appearing to experience orgasm."

A Canadian survey of Now magazine readers (cited above), has it that the frequency of masturbation declines after the age of 17. Many males masturbate daily, or even more frequently, well into their 20s and sometimes far beyond. This decline is more drastic among females, and more gradual among males. While females aged 13–17 masturbated almost once a day on average (and almost as often as their male peers), adult women only masturbated 8–9 times a month, compared to the 18–22 among men. Adolescent youths report being able to masturbate to ejaculation around six times per day, though some men in older middle age report being hard pressed to ejaculate even once per day. On the other hand healthy 21-28 year old males are able to masturbate at least 8-10 times per day if they are not stressed. The survey does not give a full demographic breakdown of respondents, however, and the sexual history of respondents to this poll, who are readers of an urban Toronto lifestyle magazine, may not extend to the general population.

It appears that females are less likely to masturbate while in a heterosexual relationship than men. Popular belief asserts that individuals of either sex who are not in sexually active relationships tend to masturbate more frequently than those who are; however, much of the time this is not true as masturbation alone or with a partner is often a feature of a relationship. Contrary to conventional wisdom, several studies actually reveal a positive correlation between the frequency of masturbation and the frequency of intercourse. One study reported a significantly higher rate of masturbation in gay men and women who were in a relationship.

Among some cultures, such as the Hopi in Arizona, the Wogeno in Oceania, and the Dahomeans and Namu of Africa, masturbation is encouraged, including regular masturbation between males. In certain Melanesian communities this is expected between older and younger boys. One interesting twist is the Sambia tribe of New Guinea. This tribe has rituals and rites of passage surrounding manhood which involve frequent ejaculation through fellatio. Semen is valued and masturbation is seen as a waste of semen and is therefore frowned upon even though frequent ejaculation is encouraged. The capacity and need to ejaculate is nurtured for years from an early age through fellatio so that it can be consumed rather than wasted. Semen is ingested for strength and is considered in the same line as mothers' milk.

Other cultures have rites of passage into manhood that culminate in the first ejaculation of a male, usually by the hands of a tribal elder. In some tribes such as the Agta, Philippines, stimulation of the genitals is encouraged from an early age. Upon puberty, the young male is then paired off with a "wise elder" or "witch doctor" who uses masturbation to build his ability to ejaculate in preparation for a ceremony. The ceremony culminates in a public ejaculation before a celebration. The ejaculate is saved in a wad of animal skin and worn later to help conceive children. In this and other tribes, the measure of manhood is actually associated more with the amount of ejaculate and his need than penis size. Frequent ejaculation through masturbation from an early age fosters frequent ejaculation well into adulthood.

Masturbation is becoming accepted as a healthy practice and safe method for sharing pleasure without some of the dangers that can accompany intercourse. It is socially accepted and even celebrated in certain circles. Group masturbation events can be easily found online. Masturbation marathons are yearly events and are occurring across the globe. These events provide a supportive environment where masturbation can be performed openly among young and old without embarrassment. Participants talk openly with onlookers while masturbating to share techniques and describe their pleasure.

Evolutionary utility

Masturbation may increase fertility during intercourse.

Female masturbation alters conditions in the vagina, cervix and uterus, in ways that can alter the chances of conception from intercourse, depending on the timing of the masturbation. A woman's orgasm between one minute before and up to 45 minutes after insemination favors the chances of that sperm reaching her egg. If, for example, she has had intercourse with more than one male, such an orgasm can increase the likelihood of a pregnancy by one of them. Female masturbation can also provide protection against cervical infections by increasing the acidity of the cervical mucus and by moving debris out of the cervix.

In males, masturbation flushes out old sperm with low motility from the male's genital tract. The next ejaculate then contains more fresh sperm, which have higher chances of achieving conception during intercourse. If more than one male has intercourse with a female, the sperm with the highest motility will compete more effectively.


LMAO!  ;D ;D ;D

Not to mention totally appropriate for this thread, since it's all pretty much mental masturbation anyway.

You sir, get karma for that.  ;)

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Written By: Green Lantern on 05/29/08 at 6:41 am


LMAO!  ;D ;D ;D

Not to mention totally appropriate for this thread, since it's all pretty much mental masturbation anyway.

You sir, get karma for that.  ;)



Thank you, 'Al-B'  :)    8)





.... and, likewise !    ;)    ;D

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: AL-B Mk. III on 05/29/08 at 2:08 pm


Here's something even more trippy!

HAHAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAHA...............


So does this mean that in Japan, McDonald's adds PCP to the "secret sauce?"  :o :o :o

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: Step-chan on 05/29/08 at 2:23 pm


So does this mean that in Japan, McDonald's adds PCP to the "secret sauce?"  :o :o :o


Don't know. :D

The actual music that it's imitating comes from an RPG called Earthbound.

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: ?????????????????????? on 05/29/08 at 2:59 pm

So, how about some Beatallica!!!!!!!


Beatallica is a bash-up band that plays music made from combinations of songs of The Beatles and Metallica. A Beatallica song is typically a blend of a Beatles song and a Metallica song with a related title (e.g. The Thing That Should Not Let It Be, combining The Beatles' Let It Be and Metallica's The Thing That Should Not Be or And Justice for All My Loving combining Metallica's And Justice for All and the Beatles' All My Loving), though sometimes just a Beatles song will be used as a basis with modified lyrics. The lyrics slip back and forth between the two songs—occasionally neither in lieu of original lyrics comically referencing Metallica, heavy metal music or the heavy metal community—while the scansion and melody are usually Beatles-based, the music is played metal style with some Metallica riffs and solos thrown in. Consistent quirks made in the lyrics also criticize glam metal much in the fashion that thrash metal fans would do (bands like Poison, White Lion, Dokken, Warrant, and Winger are examples).

Contents
1 History
2 Legal problems
3 Members
4 Discography
5 External links



History

The cover of A Garage Dayz Nite - Beatallica's first EPThe project was founded in 2001 by original guitarist KRK Hammetson and singer Jaymz Lennfield. The EP A Garage Dayz Nite was recorded for the annual Spoof Fest concert held in Milwaukee, as a memento of that year's concert. A few dozen copies of the EP were handed out to friends. Later that year, one of those CDs made its way to Milwaukee resident David Dixon, who created a web page that included mp3s of the songs and named the band "Beatallica". The band was unaware of the webpage until Dixon finally met them in the summer of 2002, carrying a stack of fan emails from all around the world. Beatallica gave the webpage its blessings, and after further urgings from its internet fanbase, recorded the EP Beatallica, also known as The Grey Album, releasing it online on April 1, 2004.

Later in 2004, the band (including bassist Kliff McBurtney and drummer Ringo Larz) started to perform at live venues nationally and internationally, with a stage show incorporating elements from both Beatles and Metallica performances. They also played as an opening act for Dream Theater; Mike Portnoy even joined the band on stage for drums on one occasion. Beatallica would go on to perform with likes of Motorhead, Testament, Kreator, Sepultura, LA Guns and play huge summer festivals worldwide, including Milwaukee's Summerfest, Germany's Earthshaker Festival, The Netherlands' Kings of Metal festival, and Korea's Busan International Rock Festival.

In 2007, the band's current lineup of Jaymz Lennfield (lead vocals, rhythm guitar), Grg Hammetson (lead guitar), Kliff McBurtney (lead bass, backing vocals) and Ringo Larz (drums) went into the studio to re-record many of Krk and Jaymz' original songs and write some new compositions for their official debut Sgt. Hetfield's Motorbreath Pub Band.

May 2008, marks the release of Beatallica's single; All You Need Is Blood recorded in 13 languages as a worldwide thank-you to the network of Beatalli-bangers. The band will add Belgium, Czech Republic, and Poland to the list of places they have roamed.


Legal problems
To avoid legal problems, the band maintained a strict non-commercial policy (all songs were available for free download) and shrouded themselves in anonymity (all names mentioned above are of course stage names, but their real names were revealed in interviews, and hence also appear in this article). Metallica were aware of the spoof band's existence and never threatened to take any legal action; Lars Ulrich, James Hetfield and Kirk Hammett have all publicly stated that they enjoy Beatallica's music.


The cover of Sgt. Hetfield's Motorbreath Pub Band - Beatallica's official debut Album (2007)On February 17, 2005, a cease-and-desist notice was sent to Beatallica by Sony/ATV Music Publishing, a company which holds rights to most of The Beatles' catalog. The notice states that the "music", "news" and "merchandise" sections of the official Beatallica website constitute a copyright violation and should therefore be taken down. In response to this, a petition requesting Sony/ATV Music Publishing to retract its threat of legal action was created. The band was saved from further legal action by Metallica drummer Lars Ulrich, who offered to provide assistance with legal negotiations and also asked Metallica's longtime attorney to try to defuse the situation with Sony. Sony ultimately reached an agreement with Beatallica and their new label Oglio Records, and an official Beatallica recording was released in July 2007 entitled "Sgt. Hetfield's Motorbreath Pub Band".


Members
Jaymz Lennfield (referring to James Hetfield and John Lennon, respectively, real name Michael Tierney) - vocals, lyrics, songwriting, rhythm guitar
Grg Hammetson (sic, referring to George Harrison and Kirk Hammett, respectively, real name Jeff Salzman ) - lead guitar
Kliff McBurtney (referring to Cliff Burton and Paul McCartney, respectively, real name Paul Terrien) - bass
Ringo Larz (referring to Ringo Starr and Lars Ulrich, respectively, real name Ryan Charles) - drums




Discography
Until 2007, Beatallica's recordings were only available as MP3 and FLAC downloads.

(2001) A Garage Dayz Nite (EP)
(2004) Beatallica (EP) (Also commonly known as the Grey Album, a mix between the White Album from the Beatles and Black Album from Metallica, and not to be confused with The Grey Album by DJ Danger Mouse)
(2007) Sgt. Hetfield's Motorbreath Pub Band (CD release date: July 10, 2007). See press release.
(2008) All You Need Is Blood ("Maxi-single" in 13 languages, CD release date: May 20, 2008).

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: AL-B Mk. III on 05/29/08 at 4:33 pm


So, how about some Beatallica!!!!!!!


Beatallica is a bash-up band that plays music made from combinations of songs of The Beatles and Metallica. A Beatallica song is typically a blend of a Beatles song and a Metallica song with a related title (e.g. The Thing That Should Not Let It Be, combining The Beatles' Let It Be and Metallica's The Thing That Should Not Be or And Justice for All My Loving combining Metallica's And Justice for All and the Beatles' All My Loving), though sometimes just a Beatles song will be used as a basis with modified lyrics. The lyrics slip back and forth between the two songs—occasionally neither in lieu of original lyrics comically referencing Metallica, heavy metal music or the heavy metal community—while the scansion and melody are usually Beatles-based, the music is played metal style with some Metallica riffs and solos thrown in. Consistent quirks made in the lyrics also criticize glam metal much in the fashion that thrash metal fans would do (bands like Poison, White Lion, Dokken, Warrant, and Winger are examples).

Contents
1 History
2 Legal problems
3 Members
4 Discography
5 External links



History

The cover of A Garage Dayz Nite - Beatallica's first EPThe project was founded in 2001 by original guitarist KRK Hammetson and singer Jaymz Lennfield. The EP A Garage Dayz Nite was recorded for the annual Spoof Fest concert held in Milwaukee, as a memento of that year's concert. A few dozen copies of the EP were handed out to friends. Later that year, one of those CDs made its way to Milwaukee resident David Dixon, who created a web page that included mp3s of the songs and named the band "Beatallica". The band was unaware of the webpage until Dixon finally met them in the summer of 2002, carrying a stack of fan emails from all around the world. Beatallica gave the webpage its blessings, and after further urgings from its internet fanbase, recorded the EP Beatallica, also known as The Grey Album, releasing it online on April 1, 2004.

Later in 2004, the band (including bassist Kliff McBurtney and drummer Ringo Larz) started to perform at live venues nationally and internationally, with a stage show incorporating elements from both Beatles and Metallica performances. They also played as an opening act for Dream Theater; Mike Portnoy even joined the band on stage for drums on one occasion. Beatallica would go on to perform with likes of Motorhead, Testament, Kreator, Sepultura, LA Guns and play huge summer festivals worldwide, including Milwaukee's Summerfest, Germany's Earthshaker Festival, The Netherlands' Kings of Metal festival, and Korea's Busan International Rock Festival.

In 2007, the band's current lineup of Jaymz Lennfield (lead vocals, rhythm guitar), Grg Hammetson (lead guitar), Kliff McBurtney (lead bass, backing vocals) and Ringo Larz (drums) went into the studio to re-record many of Krk and Jaymz' original songs and write some new compositions for their official debut Sgt. Hetfield's Motorbreath Pub Band.

May 2008, marks the release of Beatallica's single; All You Need Is Blood recorded in 13 languages as a worldwide thank-you to the network of Beatalli-bangers. The band will add Belgium, Czech Republic, and Poland to the list of places they have roamed.


Legal problems
To avoid legal problems, the band maintained a strict non-commercial policy (all songs were available for free download) and shrouded themselves in anonymity (all names mentioned above are of course stage names, but their real names were revealed in interviews, and hence also appear in this article). Metallica were aware of the spoof band's existence and never threatened to take any legal action; Lars Ulrich, James Hetfield and Kirk Hammett have all publicly stated that they enjoy Beatallica's music.


The cover of Sgt. Hetfield's Motorbreath Pub Band - Beatallica's official debut Album (2007)On February 17, 2005, a cease-and-desist notice was sent to Beatallica by Sony/ATV Music Publishing, a company which holds rights to most of The Beatles' catalog. The notice states that the "music", "news" and "merchandise" sections of the official Beatallica website constitute a copyright violation and should therefore be taken down. In response to this, a petition requesting Sony/ATV Music Publishing to retract its threat of legal action was created. The band was saved from further legal action by Metallica drummer Lars Ulrich, who offered to provide assistance with legal negotiations and also asked Metallica's longtime attorney to try to defuse the situation with Sony. Sony ultimately reached an agreement with Beatallica and their new label Oglio Records, and an official Beatallica recording was released in July 2007 entitled "Sgt. Hetfield's Motorbreath Pub Band".


Members
Jaymz Lennfield (referring to James Hetfield and John Lennon, respectively, real name Michael Tierney) - vocals, lyrics, songwriting, rhythm guitar
Grg Hammetson (sic, referring to George Harrison and Kirk Hammett, respectively, real name Jeff Salzman ) - lead guitar
Kliff McBurtney (referring to Cliff Burton and Paul McCartney, respectively, real name Paul Terrien) - bass
Ringo Larz (referring to Ringo Starr and Lars Ulrich, respectively, real name Ryan Charles) - drums




Discography
Until 2007, Beatallica's recordings were only available as MP3 and FLAC downloads.

(2001) A Garage Dayz Nite (EP)
(2004) Beatallica (EP) (Also commonly known as the Grey Album, a mix between the White Album from the Beatles and Black Album from Metallica, and not to be confused with The Grey Album by DJ Danger Mouse)
(2007) Sgt. Hetfield's Motorbreath Pub Band (CD release date: July 10, 2007). See press release.
(2008) All You Need Is Blood ("Maxi-single" in 13 languages, CD release date: May 20, 2008).



Nah.

We want you to make more posts about how horrible men are.  ;)

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: MaxwellSmart on 05/29/08 at 6:18 pm

How Men Are
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Studio album by Heaven 17
Released September 1984
Genre Synthpop
Length 38:18
Label Virgin Records
Producer B.E.F. and Greg Walsh
Heaven 17 chronology
The Luxury Gap
(1983) How Men Are
(1984) Pleasure One
(1986)

How Men Are is the third album by the English synthpop group Heaven 17, released in September 1984 by Virgin Records.

Three singles were released from this album: "Sunset Now", the album's most successful single with a #24 placing in the UK, and "This is Mine" in 1984, and an edited remix of "And That's No Lie" in early 1985, which was the first Heaven 17 single to fail to reach the UK's Top 40 since "Let Me Go" at the end of 1982.

Although synthesizers such as the Fairlight CMI and the Linn LM-1 drum machine were still responsible for most of the album's sounds, How Men Are marked the beginning of an increased usage of acoustic instruments in Heaven 17's music. A small orchestra is employed on three tracks, and two tracks make use of The Phenix Horns Esquire, Earth, Wind & Fire's famous brass section. Another notable contribution to this album was made by the vocal group Afrodiziak, who sang on four tracks.

In 2006, Heaven 17's first three albums were remastered and reissued with bonus tracks.





Track listing
"Five Minutes to Midnight" (3:46)
"Sunset Now" (3:35)
"This is Mine" (3:51)
"The Fuse" (3:05)
"Shame is on the Rocks" (3:59)
"The Skin I'm In" (3:46)
"Flamedown" (2:59)
"Reputation" (3:03)
"And That's No Lie" (10:02)
"This is Mine (Cinemix)" (8:43) +
"...(And That's No Lie) (Re-mixed to Enhance Danceability)" (6:17) +
"Counterforce II" (3:08) +
"Sunset Now (Extended Version)" (5:21) +
Tracks marked with "+" are bonus tracks added to the 2006 remastered version of the album; all originally appeared on various formats of the singles taken from the album and had never appeared on CD before. "Counterforce II" was originally a B-side from the "Sunset Now" 12-inch single, and was also released under the title "Chase Runner" on the Electric Dreams soundtrack.


Personnel
Glenn Gregory
Ian Craig Marsh
Martyn Ware



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Written By: Tia on 05/29/08 at 6:34 pm



Sexism
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Sexism is a belief or attitude that one gender or sex is inferior to or less valuable than the other and can also refer to a hatred or distrust towards either sex as a whole (see also misogyny and misandry), or imposing stereotypes of masculinity on men or femininity on women.. It is also called male and female chauvinism.

Sexism refer to any and all systemic differentiations based on the sex of the individuals not based on their individual merits, and is commonly considered to be sex discrimination, which in some forms is illegal in some countries.
Contents


    * 1 Generalization and partition
          o 1.1 Sexism against women
          o 1.2 Sexism against men
          o 1.3 Sexism against transsexuals
    * 2 Sexism and sexual expression
          o 2.1 The Sexual Revolution
          o 2.2 Pornography
    * 3 Occupational sexism
    * 4 Sexual discrimination and law
    * 5 See also
    * 6 References
    * 7 External links

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Sexist beliefs, as a part of essentialism, holds that individuals can be understood or judged based primarily on the characteristics of the group to which they belong—in this case, their sexual group, as men or women. This assumes that all individuals fit into the category of male or female and does not take into account intersexed people who are born with a mixture of male and female sexual characteristics. This also assumes a significant degree of homogeneity in the characteristics of men and women respectively, and generally does not take into account the differences that exist within these groups. XY males and XX females who are genetically one sex but have developed the characteristics of the opposite sex during the foetal stage are usually considered with respect to their phenotypes under this system.

Certain forms of sexual discrimination are illegal in many countries, but nearly all countries have laws that give special rights, privileges, or responsibilities to one sex or two sexes.
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Sexism against women

    For more details on this topic, see Chauvinism.

The term 'sexism' is most commonly applied to sexism against women, and when expressed by a man is often called male chauvinism. Related terms are misogyny and gynophobia, which refer to the hatred and fear of women or femininity.

Historically, in many patriarchal societies, women have been and are viewed as the "weaker sex". Women's lower status can be seen in cases in which women were not even recognized as persons under the law of the land. The feminist movement promotes women's rights to end sexism against women by addressing issues such as equality under the law, political representation of women, access to education and employment, women victims of domestic violence, self-ownership of a woman's body, and the impact of pornography on women.

Sexism against men

The view that women are superior to men is also a form of sexism, and when expressed by a woman can be called female chauvinism.

Sexism against men has been referred to as "reverse sexism." Suedfeld criticizes this label, stating that discrimination against men is sexism, and that the reverse of discrimination is non-discrimination. Androphobia refers to the fear of men or masculinity.

In The War Against Boys Christina Hoff Sommers analyzes the gender gap in education using studies that show that by twelfth grade, "males are four times as likely as females not to do homework." Sommers argues that this gender gap is troubling and that it is not being addressed due to institutionalized sexist attitudes towards men. Canadian authors Nathanson and Young have also claimed that the modern feminist movement has contributed to sexism against men.

Glenn Sacks, an American men's and fathers' issues columnist and radio broadcaster, initiated a campaign in 2003 against T-shirts carrying the slogan "Boys are stupid, throw rocks at them!". He claimed that these T-shirts were part of a general societal mood that stigmatizes and victimizes boys. The company that produced the shirts claimed that they were meant only to be humorous. The campaign against the line received support from several men's rights groups, such as the National Coalition of Free Men, but also from groups with broader agendas, such as the Southern Poverty Law Center. Many critics of the T-shirts pointed out that similar slogans directed against girls or ethnic groups would be widely regarded as unacceptable. The Canadian Children's Rights Council termed the slogan hate speech. The campaign led to the removal of the shirts from more than 3,000 retail outlets. The slogan has also been criticized by Bernard Goldberg in his book, 100 People Who Are Screwing Up America, where Todd Goldman, the shirts' creator, was listed as number 97.

Sexism against transsexuals

    Main article: Transphobia

Transsexuality (also known as transgender) is a complex condition that is defined differently by different people. Transphobia refers to discrimination against transsexuality and transsexual or transgender people, based on their personal gender identification (see Phobia - terms indicating prejudice or class discrimination). Whether intentional or not, transphobia can have severe consequences for the person the object of the negative attitude. The LGBT movement has campaigned against sexism against transsexuals. The most typical forms of sexism against transsexuals are how many "women-only" and "men-only" events and organizations have been criticized for rejecting transfemales, and transmales respectively.

Sexism and sexual expression

The expression of sexual intimacy is a part of the human condition. However, various aspects of human sexuality have been argued as having contributed to sexism.

The Sexual Revolution

During the sexual revolution, there was a change in the cultural perception of sexual morality and sexual behavior. The sexual revolution has been known as the sexual liberation by feminists since some saw this new development in the West as a leveling ground for females to have as many choices concerning their sexuality as males--hoping to eliminate the problematic virgin/whore dichotomy of traditional Western society.

Modern feminists like Ariel Levy have warned that the current state of commercial sexuality has created a "Raunch Culture". This cultural development, (which has largely occurred in the West) the commercialization of the sexual objectification of women, has been criticized as being limiting for men and women. Rather than being liberating, some feminists argue that the "pornification" of Western society has reduced and equated the scope of feminine power to sexual power only. Some feminists argue that women are themselves objectifying other women by becoming producers and promoters of the "Raunch Culture".

Some masculist theorists posit that prior to the sexual revolution the idealized male was expected to be virile while the idealized female was expected to be modest. They note that after the sexual revolution, women were given more liberty to express virility while the reverse has not been true for men, who have yet to be given a choice to be non-virile. They argued that the dual identity of hypersexuality and asexuality is a luxury and special status that only exists for women. However, many feminists believe that this dual identity rather allows men to condemn a women for her sexuality for being either modest or virile (see double standard).

Pornography

Some individuals express the view that pornography is contributing to sexism, arguing that in usual pornographic performances for male spectators the actresses are sexually objectified. They state that the narrative is usually formed around men's pleasure as the only goal of sexual activity. The German feminist Alice Schwarzer is one representative of this point of view. She has brought this topic up repeatedly since the 1970s, in particular in the feminist magazine Emma. The reverse, where female spectators are objectifying male actors, has also been identified as sexism.

On the other hand, some famous pornographic actresses such as Teresa Orlowski and Tímea Vágvölgyi have publicly stated that they do not feel themselves to be victims of sexism against women. In fact, many female pornographic stars and sex-positive feminists view pornography to be progressive, since they are paid money for performing consensual acts, and also since many directors and managers of the industry are women as well. Porn positive feminists often support their position by pointing out the situation of women in countries with strict pornography laws (e.g., Saudi Arabia) versus women in countries with liberal pornography laws (e.g., the Netherlands). Many opponents of pornography believe that pornography gives a distorted view of men and women's bodies, as well as the actual sexual act, often showing the performers with synthetic implants or exaggerated expressions of pleasure. Some opponents believe pornographic films tend to show women in particular as being extremely passive, or that the acts women perform are degrading and solely for the pleasure of their sexual partner, and that this is evidence of sexism.


Occupational sexism

    Main article: Occupational sexism

Occupational sexism refers to any discriminatory practices, statements, actions, etc. based on a person's sex that are present or occur in a place of employment. One form of occupational sexism is wage discrimination, which is prohibited in the US.

Sexual discrimination and law

    See also: Discrimination

Sex discrimination is discrimination based on sex or gender. Currently, discrimination based on sex is defined as adverse action against another person, that would not have occurred had the person been of another sex. This is considered a form of prejudice and is illegal in certain enumerated circumstances in most countries.

Sexual discrimination can arise in different contexts. For instance an employee may be discriminated against by being asked discriminatory questions during a job interview, or because an employer did not hire, promote or wrongfully terminated an employee based on his or her gender, or employers pay unequally based on gender. In an educational setting there could be claims that a student was excluded from an educational institution, program, opportunity, loan, student group, or scholarship due to his or her gender. In the housing setting there could be claims that a person was refused negotiations on seeking a house, contracting/leasing a house or getting a loan based on his or her gender. Another setting where there have been claims of gender discrimination is banking; for example if one is refused credit or is offered unequal loan terms based on one’s gender.

Socially, sexual differences have been used to justify different roles for men and women, in some cases giving rise to claims of primary and secondary roles. While there are non-physical differences between men and women, there is little agreement as to what those differences are.

The United Nations had concluded that women often experience a "glass ceiling" and that there are no societies in which women enjoy the same opportunities as men.

The term "glass ceiling" is used to describe a perceived barrier to advancement in employment based on discrimination, especially sex discrimination. In the United States, the Glass Ceiling Commission, a government-funded group, stated: "Over half of all Master’s degrees are now awarded to women, yet 95 percent of senior-level managers, of the top Fortune 1000 industrial and 500 service companies are men. Of them, 97 percent are white." In its report, it recommended affirmative action, which is the consideration of an employee's gender and race in hiring and promotion decisions, as a means to end this form of discrimination.

Transgendered individuals, both male to female and female to male, often experience problems which often lead to dismissals, underachievement, difficulty in finding a job, social isolation, and, occasionally, violent attacks against them.

See also

    * Chauvinism
    * Equal Pay Act
    * Gender Egalitarianism
    * Gender role
    * Intersectionality
    * LGBT stereotypes
    * Misandry
    * Misogyny
    * Occupational sexism
    * Sexual harrassment
    * Sex in advertising
    * Stereotype
    * Triple oppression

References

  1. ^ Brittan, Arthur (1984). Sexism, racism and oppression. Blackwell, 236. ISBN 9780855206748.
  2. ^ "What is AIS?" AISSG. 13 Sep 2006. http://www.medhelp.org/www/ais/21_overview.htm
  3. ^ Neuwirth, Jessica. "Unequal-A Global Perspective on Women Under the Law." Ms. Magazine. 2004. http://www.msmagazine.com/summer2004/globalwomenlaw.asp
  4. ^ Bell, Linda A., 'Introduction' in Overcoming Racism and Sexism (eds) Linda A. Bell and David Blumenfeld (Rowman & Littlefield, 1995), ISBN 9780847680312
  5. ^ Holland, J: "Misogyny: The World's Oldest Prejudice," pp. 12-13. Avalon Publishing Group, 2006
  6. ^ Monroe, Kristen R (2002). Political Psychology. Lawrence Erlbaum Associates, 321. ISBN 0805838864. “Part IV, Chapter 17: Postmodernism, Identity Politics, and Other Political Influences in Political Psychology, by Peter Suedfeld. "Although the 'reverse sexism' (or racism) label is widely used, what it refers to is not 'reverse' anything. Discrimination against men is sexist, and against Whites, racist, just as discrimination against women and Blacks is sexist and racist. The real reverse of discrimination is nondiscrimination." (p.321, footnote)”
  7. ^ a b Hoff Sommers, Christina, The War Against Boys (Simon & Schuster) ISBN 9780684849577
  8. ^ Hoff Sommers, Christina (1994). The War against Boys: How Misguided Feminism Is Harming Our Young Men. Simon and Schuster. ISBN 9780671794248.
  9. ^ Nathanson, Paul, Young, Katherine R (2001). Spreading Misandry: The Teaching of Contempt for Men in Popular Culture. McGill-Queen's University Press. ISBN 9780773530997. “One specific group of people is identified as the threatening source of all suffering and another as the promising source of all healing. There is nothing new about this theory; only the names have changed." (p.7)”
  10. ^ Glenn Sacks' blog on the campaign, Final Update, 4 March, 2004.
  11. ^ Georgie Binks. 'The mean T-shirt: From the Stupid Factory'. The National Post 29 May, 2004.
  12. ^ Dana Williams. 'Clothing Designer Misses Point of 'Girl Power"'. Tolerance.org. 23 January, 2004.
  13. ^ Canadian Children's Rights Council. 'Hate Crime Complaint filed with Toronto police'. Commentary. 9 March, 2004.
  14. ^ The U.S. Equal Employment Opportunity Commission. Facts About Compensation Discrimination. Retrieved on 2008-04-23.
  15. ^ A Solid Investment: Making Full Use of the Nation's Human Capital (1995-11). Retrieved on 2008-05-23.

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: Tia on 05/29/08 at 6:37 pm

oo! i saw this...

"Ableism · Adultism · Biphobia · Classism
Elitism · Ephebiphobia · Gerontophobia
Heightism · Heterosexism · Homophobia
Lesbophobia · Lookism · Misandry
Misogyny · Pediaphobia · Sizeism
Transphobia
Against cultures"

i have these ones.

Ableism Adultism Elitism Ephebiphobia Heightism Lookism Misandry Pediaphobia Sizeism

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: AL-B Mk. III on 05/29/08 at 9:41 pm


oo! i saw this...

"Ableism · Adultism · Biphobia · Classism
Elitism · Ephebiphobia · Gerontophobia
Heightism · Heterosexism · Homophobia
Lesbophobia · Lookism · Misandry
Misogyny · Pediaphobia · Sizeism
Transphobia
Against cultures"

i have these ones.

Ableism Adultism Elitism Ephebiphobia Heightism Lookism Misandry Pediaphobia Sizeism


Go tia!  ;)

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: Foo Bar on 05/29/08 at 10:00 pm

That reminds me.  This thread is sadly lacking in Space Moose.

http://www.subvulture.com/spacemoose/take_back.gif

As you might guess, Space Moose's attempt to Take Back The Night didn't go quite the way he planned.  He was captured during Clobberin' Time, endured extensive rehabilitation, and made his escape during midterms, with exfiltration by means of blending in with the university's political science department.

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: karen on 05/30/08 at 8:09 am

In honour of the person starting this thread I think we really need some...

Debbie Gibson

Deborah Ann "Debbie" Gibson (born August 31, 1970), is an American singer-songwriter who was a teen pop icon. She was popular in the late 1980s and the early 1990s. At age seventeen, Gibson was the youngest person to write, produce, and perform a Billboard Hot 100 #1 hit single (in the U.S.) with her song "Foolish Beat."
She appeared repeatedly on the covers of teen magazines (in the USA) such as Tiger Beat. Gibson has gone on to starring roles on Broadway and touring musicals, as well as independent film and television work. She continues to record, and reached the Billboard Adult Contemporary chart as high as #24 during 2006 in a duet with Jordan Knight titled "Say Goodbye."

Early life

Gibson was born in Brooklyn, New York. She grew up on the Long Island suburb of Merrick, New York. At the age of five, she began performing in community theater with her sisters and wrote her first song "Make Sure You Know Your Classroom." When she was eight, she sang in the children's chorus at the Metropolitan Opera House in New York. She began playing the ukulele and taking piano lessons soon thereafter, including with the noted American pianist Morton Estrin. Gibson has stated that her household was probably the only one where you'd hear kids fighting over piano playing time.

Music career
1987-1990

Her official fan club, D.G.I.F., published fan magazines early in her career.

Gibson spent years knocking on doors and handing her demos to every director, agent, and producer with whom she came into contact. Eventually, at the age of sixteen, with the help of manager of Doug Breitbart, she caught the attention of Atlantic Records, which signed the teenager, and thus began her successful pop music career.
Gibson performed around the U.S. at various track dates. These dates included venues such as straight, gay, and teen nightclubs. Simultaneously, Gibson was recording what would become her debut album, Out Of The Blue. The album was recorded in a total of 4 weeks.

Four singles from her debut LP Out Of The Blue reached the Top 5 of the Billboard Top 100: "Only in My Dreams," "Shake Your Love," "Out Of The Blue," and the number-one hit "Foolish Beat," followed by "Staying Together," which performed more modestly, reaching #22. "Foolish Beat" set a record for Gibson, making her the youngest female artist ever to write, produce, and perform on a Billboard number-one single, a record which stands to this day. By the time Out Of The Blue was established as a hit album, and she had considerable success in the UK, as well as in Japan and southeast Asia, with stadium tours.

Throughout 1988 and early 1989, Gibson was racking up studio time recording her second release. Electric Youth was released in March 1989, and spent 5 weeks at #1. The first single released, "Lost in Your Eyes," held the #1 spot on the Billboard Hot 100 for three weeks. Gibson achieved an additional honor of having both a #1 single and album charting simultaneously. She also shared ASCAP Songwriter of the Year Award 1989 with Bruce Springsteen.

In parallel with the album, she created an Electric Youth perfume under Revlon, and various makeup essentials for young girls through Natural Wonder Cosmetics, one of her sponsors at the time, distributed nationwide. Subsequent singles from this album missed the Top 10: Electric Youth (#11),No More Rhyme (#17) and We Could Be Together (#71).

1990-1995

Gibson eventually recorded two more albums for Atlantic Records: Anything Is Possible (1990), and Body Mind Soul (1992). Atlantic compiled Greatest Hits as a 1995 release oddly in conjunction with her release of SBK album Think With Your Heart.

Also during this time, Gibson was part of a supergroup that recorded the charity single Voices that Care which peaked at #11 on Billboard's Hot 100 chart.
In 1995, she signed with EMI's SBK Records division and recorded what would be her only album for the label, Think With Your Heart. This album is an Adult Contemporary heavy album consisting of piano ballads and keyboard ballads, and is widely considered among her fans to be her best work. The album's producer, Niko Bolas (usually Neil Young's co-producer), was also producing the reunion album for veteran punk band Circle Jerks, and invited Gibson to a recording session for that band's album. She subsequently ended up singing background vocals on the song "I Wanna Destroy You," as well as appearing at and participating in the Circle Jerks' performance at legendary punk venue CBGB, wearing one of the band's t-shirts and sharing a microphone with frontman Keith Morris.

Independent releases

After parting company with EMI, Gibson formed her own record label, Espiritu, to release her original material. Her sixth album, Deborah, marked her full return to dance-pop, albeit with a more mature approach. Deborah includes the lead single "Only Words." "Only Words" (Dance Edit) became a Top 40 Hot Dance Music/Club Play hit. The album's other single is the ballad, "Naturally." Deborah was well received by fans and remains one of her most respected works, though it only sold 20,000 units in the US.

In 2001, Gibson released her seventh album on her then-new record label, Golden Egg, titled M.Y.O.B. (AKA Mind Your Own Business). It features the three singles, the sensual pop song "What You Want," the Latin-infused Dance-pop song "Your Secret," and the bass heavy "M.Y.O.B." Highlights from the album include the sultry Latin favoured Smooth Jazz song "In Blue," her vintage style ballad "Wishing You Were Here," "Jaded," and a remix of "M.Y.O.B." Her single M.Y.O.B. also had the background vocals of her two nieces.

In 2005, Gibson co-wrote and recorded a song titled "Someone You Love" with the O'Neill Brothers. With the O'Neill Brothers, Gibson also released an updated, acoustic version of her former #1 hit "Lost in Your Eyes."

Theater career

Gibson debuted on Broadway in 1992, playing Eponine in Les Misérables. She then went to London, where she played Sandy in the West End production of Grease to sold out shows, breaking box office sales records. The single version of "You're the One That I Want," a duet with Craig McLachlan, taken from the Original Cast Recording, reached #13 on the UK charts in 1993.

On returning to the States, she appeared in the Broadway touring production, this time playing Rizzo. She played Fanny Brice in a revamped Funny Girl tour. She has had many successful theater credits; she was among the many actresses who took on the starring role of Belle in the Broadway production of Beauty and the Beast. She replaced Kerry Butler in July 1997 and was in the show until 1998 when she was then replaced by Kim Huber. She also starred the critically lauded production of Gypsy (in a production staged at The Papermill Playhouse). She starred as Louise opposite Broadway legend Betty Buckley. Additionally, she participated in the national tour of Joseph and the Amazing Technicolor Dreamcoat, where she played the part of The Narrator, and starred as Cinderella in the national tour of Rodgers & Hammerstein's famed musical. In October 2002, she starred in the Boston production of Chicago. In 2003, she played Sally Bowles in the Broadway revival of Cabaret. From March to April of 2004, she played the role of 'Marta' in the UCLA Reprise! production of Company.

Reality TV

In the summer of 2003, Gibson was a judge on the short-lived American Idol spin-off American Juniors.

In January 2006, she joined the cast of Skating with Celebrities on Fox Television, partnered with former Canadian World Champion figure skater Kurt Browning. She was voted out in the third episode.

2005–present

Controversially for some of her fans who were more comfortable with her earlier wholesome image, the March 2005 issue of Playboy featured a nude pictorial with Gibson, the publication of which also coincided with the release of her single, "Naked (Radio Mix) " This single peaked #35 on the Billboard "Hot single sales" chart in March 2005. "Naked (Unplugged Mix)"

Following her Skating with Celebrities appearance, she has had a resurgence of popularity in niche markets. Her single "Your Secret" came back from its dormant state and became popular on some radio stations including Super 91.7 WMPH in Wilmington, DE. "Your Secret" has been on their request show, Total Control Radio, for 12 months. "Your Secret" reached #1 on its third week on that station's chart in May 2006. It charted along with a few of her other singles, "M.Y.O.B." and "Only Words" (Dance Edit) which is a Eurodance mix of the song. They all have become recurrent hits on the station since.Total Control Radio

Gibson continues to tour and has become a popular attraction at Gay Pride parades and various charity and music festivals around the US. Her 2006 single, "Say Goodbye," featuring dance-pop artist Jordan Knight, has made a good impression on the Soft AC and Hot AC radio formats, becoming the third-most added single on the format during summer 2006. It debuted at #35 on the Billboard magazine Hot Contemporary chart, peaking at #24 in early September through late November. The same year, Gibson appeared in the independent film Coffee Date with Wilson Cruz and Jonathan Silverman.
November 14,2006 Deborah released a song to her Official Website called "Famous" is written by Deborah and Tiziano Lugli and produced by T. Lugli.Famous

May 2007 the world premiere of "Electric Youth: The Musical" was unveiled at The Starlight Theatre in Orlando, FL. The musical featured 14 of Deborah's most loved songs and was directed by Dean Parker. Electric Youth Musical

August 2007 Deborah and Frankie Avalon hosted Time Life Presents Dick Clark's American Bandstand 50th Anniversary Collection on August 24,2007 Timelife

September 2007- Ideas for Camp Electric Youth Deborah started toiling with the idea of creating a camp on the West Coast. She is founder and creator of a children's summer day camp scheduled to open in the summer of 2008. Deborah along with Howard Fine, Cynthia Bain, and others will be teaching and coaching at the camp, to be located in Hollywood, California. Deborah will teach voice lessons and songwriting. Her mother, Diane, will be teaching: managing classes. Other classes offered at this camp will include stand up comedy, acting, musical theatre, camera technique, dance and movement, and stage combat. This is the first camp of its kind in the LA area. Camp Electric Youth

Nov 2007 - Season 1 on Total Pop Star , Andrew Van Slee (producer and judge) along with Deborah and Joey Lawrence(from Blossom) are judges on one of the largest online singing competitions. First season runs Nov 12,2007-May 30,2008. The top 6 contestants will be selected by judges and on June 9,2008 -Top 6 will be announced. On June 14,2008 the Top 6 will be flown to LA . June 16, 2008 -
June 20, 2008 the contestants will be in the studio. June 23, 2008 to June 26, 2008 will be final voting on the website for fan voting. Winner Announced on June 29,2008 for a record contract and over $150,000 in prizes. The first season was originally scheduled to wrap up in early 2008 but then extended. Total Pop Star

In January 2008, Gibson announced that she'll revive and perform her 80s hits -- along with her Broadway role songs -- during a three-run week in May 2008 at Harrah's in Atlantic City.

On January 6, 2008, Gibson appeared on Deal or No Deal along with Corey Feldman as part of an '80s special. Deal or Deal episode

April 2008 is on the cover of Lavender Magazine (Minnesota's GLBT magazine) and is interviewd about her career and upcoming projects Lavendar Magazine

April 24,2008 Deborah hosted and performed on Spotlightlive 80's Karaoke Experience in NY singing songs such as Only in my dreams,Out of the blue, Love Shack from the B-52's and 9-5 from Dolly Parton. Audience members could sing with Deborah. Spotlightlive

Interviews and Media in 2008
Stuck in the 80's
CNN with AJ Hammer on Showbiz
People/04/18/2008]
Phily Daily News
Heyman Hustle
OK Magazine
The Daily Journal
Philly Mag
Better Livng NewJersey.com
AC Weekly
Interview with Dr Phil on May 27,2008
Courier Post
Lynchburg News
FMQB

Personal life

Gibson has been romantically linked to English singer-actor Darren Day, American actor Lorenzo Lamas, former Beverly Hills 90210 actor Joey Gian and actor/singer Chris Bruno. In April 2008, she told the Stuck in the 80s podcast that she is in a relationship, but that her boyfriend wasn't an actor or celebrity. She has never been married and has no children.

Discography
Main article: Deborah Gibson discography

Studio albums
1987: Out of the Blue
1989: Electric Youth
1990: Anything Is Possible
1992: Body Mind Soul
1995: Think With Your Heart
1997: Deborah
2001: M.Y.O.B.
2003: Colored Lights: The Broadway Album

Compilations
1995: Greatest Hits
1999: Lost in Your Eyes and Other Hits
2005: Memory Lane, Volume 1
2005: Memory Lane, Volume 2

Charted singles
The following singles charted in the U.S., the United Kingdom, Canada, Australia, Japan, Switzerland and/or the Netherlands. For a full singles discography, see Deborah Gibson discography.
Year Single Album Peak positions
U.S.
Hot Dance Music/Club Play
U.S. AC
UK
CAN
AUS
JPN
SWI
NET

1987 "Only In My Dreams"
Out of the Blue
4
12 31 11 6 — — — 46
"Shake Your Love"
4 6 — 7 10 27 — 19 24
1988 "Out of the Blue"
3 44 16 19 21 71 — — 88
"Foolish Beat"
1 — 8 9 1 49 — 10 8
"Staying Together"
21 — — 53 29 — — — —
1989 "Lost In Your Eyes"
Electric Youth
1 — 3 34 5 8 — — 45
"Electric Youth"
11 3 — 14 15 17 — — 35
"No More Rhyme"
17 — 13 — — 59 — — —
"We Could Be Together"
71 — — 22 — 53 — — —
1990 "Without You"2
Single only (Japan)
— — — — — — 26 — —
"Anything Is Possible"
Anything Is Possible
26 — 48 51 17 63 — — —
1991 "One Step Ahead"
— 18 — — — — — — —
"In His Mind"
— — — — — — 90 — —
"Losin' Myself"
Body Mind Soul
86 49 — — — — — — —
1993 "Shock Your Mama"
— — — 74 — — — — —
1993 "You're The One That I Want"
Duet with Craig McLachlan
Grease - The Original London Cast Recording — — — 13 — — — — —
2006 "Say Goodbye"
Duet with Jordan Knight
Jordan Knight - Love Songs
— — 24 — — — — — —

Active supporter of charities
Pediatric AIDS Foundation
The Make-A-Wish Foundation
St. Mary's Children & Families Foundation
Red Cross Clothes Drive

References
1. ^ Biography at official site of Deborah Gibson
2. ^ Morton Estrin - Concert Pianist. Recording Artist. Master Teacher
3. ^ Stuck in the '80s | tampabay.com: Archives
4. ^ Debbie Gibson
5. ^ http://www.deborah-gibson.com/press/debstarb.jpg
6. ^ Anne Carlini - Exclusive Magazine
7. ^ Deborah Gibson - TV.com
8. ^ http://blogs.tampabay.com/80s/2008/04/the-fountain-of.html
9. ^ Billboard Hot 100 link for single Only In My Dreams
10. ^ Anne Carlini - Exclusive Magazine
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Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: Foo Bar on 05/30/08 at 9:48 pm


In honour of the person starting this thread I think we really need some...

Debbie Gibson



Oh yeah.  I remember her.  She was pregnant with Mojo Nixon's two-headed love child, and when the news came out, it finally quashed the rumor about her and Spuds McKenzie.

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: AL-B Mk. III on 05/30/08 at 11:45 pm


Oh yeah.  I remember her.  She was pregnant with Mojo Nixon's two-headed love child, and when the news came out, it finally quashed the rumor about her and Spuds McKenzie.


Actually I think our "guest" is a different Debbie.  ;)

DEBBIE DOES DALLAS.

Debbie Does Dallas is a famous 1978 pornographic movie starring Bambi Woods and Christie Ford (appearing under the name of Misty Winter). The plot of the film focuses on a team of cheerleaders attempting to earn enough money to send the title character to Dallas, Texas, to try out for the famous Dallas Cowboys cheerleading squad. It had the fictional name "Cowgirls," but it was seen as a take on the real-life Dallas Cowboys Cheerleaders. Each girl finds that she can make extra money during her after school job by having a sexual encounter with her employer.

Contrary to the title, the film is not set in Dallas nor does the titular Debbie "do" anyone in or from Dallas.

The opening scenes were shot at the State University of New York, Stony Brook on the field west of the Quad and in the Roosevelt Hall locker room. The notorious library scene was filmed at Stony Brook University in the Frank Melville Library. Other scenes were shot at Pratt Institute in Brooklyn, New York, without the administration's knowledge or approval. The movie spawned a number of sequels and spin-offs including Debbie Does New Orleans and Debbie Does Wall Street. It has also been remade with contemporary porn stars.

In 2001, "Debbie Does Dallas: The Musical" was created by Susan L. Schwartz for the New York Fringe Festival. In 2002 it was made into an Off-Broadway musical comedy of the same name. Unlike the original movie, the musical did not contain any actual sex or nudity, which caused some disappointment among people, as false hype had been made and the musical's producers did nothing to dismiss it. Since then, the show has been performed around the world, often with racier direction and more explicit choreography. The story, dialogue and characters are fairly faithful to the original film, with musical numbers standing in for sex scenes or added for comic effect.

In 2005 a documentary called Debbie Does Dallas Uncovered was produced and shown on British television.

In 2006, VCX employed Media Blasters to digitally re-master the movie from the original 35mm film into a "Definitive Collectors Edition" 2-Disc set on DVD.

On April 11, 2007, Vivid Entertainment Group began including the original Debbie Does Dallas with a new release titled Debbie Does Dallas ... Again in DVD, Blu-ray, and HD DVD formats.
Contents


    * 1 Credits
    * 2 Sequels
          o 2.1 Debbie Does Dallas 2 (1981)
          o 2.2 Debbie Does Dallas 3 (1985)
          o 2.3 Debbie Does Dallas 4 (1988)
          o 2.4 Debbie Does Dallas 5 (1988)
    * 3 Spin-offs
    * 4 External links

Credits

Debbie Does Dallas (1978)

    * Studio: VCX
    * Directed by Jim Clark
    * Writing credits: Maria Minestra
    * Credited cast:
          o Bambi Woods .... Debbie Benton
          o Robert Kerman .... Mr. Greenfeld (as R. Bolla)
          o Christie Ford .... Roberta (as Misty Winter)
          o Robin Byrd .... Mrs. Hardwick
          o Eric Edwards .... Mr. Hardwick
          o Rikki O'Neal .... Rikki (as Sherri Tart)
          o Jenny Cole .... Annie
          o David Suton .... Mr. Bradley
          o Merle Michaels .... Donna (as Merril Townsend)
          o Jake Teague .... Mr. Biddle (as Jack Teague)
          o Herschel Savage .... Tim (as Bill Barry)
          o Georgette Sanders .... Lisa
          o Peter Lerman .... Hamilton
          o Ben Pierce .... Ashley
          o Arcadia Lake .... Tammy
    * Also Known As: The Games People Play , Runtime: 80 min , Country: USA

Sequels

Debbie Does Dallas 2 (1981)

    * Directed by Jim Clark
    * Writing credits Paul Gatsby
    * Credited cast:
          o Bambi Woods .... Debbie Benton
          o Robert Kerman .... Trucker (as R. Bolla)
          o Ashley Welles .... Betty Sue
          o Daniella .... Exotic Dancer
          o Lisa Cintrice .... Mary Lou
          o Jean Silver .... Betsy Lou (as Jeanne Silver)
          o Belle Stevens .... Mary Sue
          o Lisa Be .... Sissy (as Lisa Bee)
          o Jamie St. James .... Henry (as Jamie St. John)
          o Ron Jeremy .... The Coach
          o Alan Adrian .... Willie John (as Spike Adrian)
          o Ron Hudd .... Little John
          o Park Richard .... The Voyeur
          o Bobby Golden .... Willie Mac

Debbie Does Dallas 3 (1985)

    * Directed by Joseph F. Robertson
    * Credited cast:
          o Kristara Barrington
          o Jerry Butler
          o Jannette Cummings
          o Debra Hardin
          o Ron Jeremy
          o Robert Kerman (as R. Bolla)
          o Jay Sterling
          o Joanna Storm
          o Bambi Woods

Debbie Does Dallas 4 (1988)

    * Credited cast:
          o Doreen Belmont
          o Jon Dough
          o Gail Force
          o Robin Lee
          o Kristi Leigh
          o Lynn LeMay
          o Dana Lynn
          o Tamy Reynolds

Debbie Does Dallas 5 (1988)

    * Credited cast:
          o Robin Lee (as Fallon)

Spin-offs

    * Debbie Does Las Vegas (1981)
    * Debbie Does 'em All (1985)
    * Debbie Does the Devil in Dallas (1987)
    * Debbie Does 'em All 2 (1988)
    * Debbie Does 'em All 3 (1989)
    * Debbie Does Wall Street (1991) (V)
    * Dallas Does Debbie (1992) (V)
    * Debbie Does Dallas Again (1994) (V)
    * Debbie Does Dallas: The Next Generation(1997) (V)
    * Debbie Does Dallas '99 (1999) (V)
    * Debbie Does Iowa (2000) (V)
    * Debbie Does New Orleans (2000) (V)
    * Debbie Does Dallas: The Revenge (2003) (V)
    * Debbie Does Dallas: East vs. West (2004) (V)
    * Debbie Does S&M
    * Debbie Does Jordan(2007)

TV Series: Debbie Does Dallas ... Again (2007)

A comic book series of 16 issues by Aircel Comics (1991-1992)

A Limited Edition comic book by Terminal Press (2008)

Debbie Does Dallas 1 VCX
Debbie Does Hawaii Unknown
Debbie Does Hollywood Unknown
Debbie Does Las Vegas Unknown
Debbie Does Dallas 2 Caballero Home Video
Debbie Does ‘em All Caballero Home Video
Debbie Does Dallas 3 VCA
Debbie Duz Dishes AVC
Debbie Duz Dishes 2: Blazing Mattresses AVC
Debbie Goes to College Essex Video / Electric Hollywood
Debbie Does the Devil in Dallas Essex Video/ Electric Hollywood
Debbie Duz Dishes 3 AVC
Debbie Class of ’88 Coast to Coast
Debbie Does Dallas 4 Leisure Time Entertainment
Debbie Does Dallas 5 Leisure Time Entertainment
Debbie for Hire Executive Video
Debbie for President Coast to Coast
Debbie Goes to Hawaii Vidco Entertainment
Debbie Class of ’89 Coast to Coast
Debbie Does ‘em All 2 Metro
Debbie Does ‘em All 3 Metro
Debbie Does Wall Street VCA
Dallas Does Debbie HIP Video
Debbie Does Dallas Again Arrow Productions
Debbie Class of ’95 Coast to Coast
Debbie Does Dallas ‘99 Vivid
Debbie Does Dallas The Next Generation Vivid
Debbie Does Fem-dom 1 Red Board Video
Debbie Does Iowa Vivid
Debbie Does New Orleans Vivid
Debbie Does Whip-ass Red Board Video
Debbie Does S & M Red Board Video
Debbie Does Spanking 1 Red Board Video
Debbie Does Spanking 2 Red Board Video
Debbie Does Whip-ass 2 Red Board Video
Debbie Does Whip-ass 3 Red Board Video
Debbie Does Fem-dom 2 Red Board Video
Debbie Does Whip-ass 4 Red Board Video
Debbie Does Dallas The Revenge Vivid
Debbie Does Fem-dom 3 Red Board Video
Debbie Does Fem-dom 4 Red Board Video
Debbie Does Spanking 3 Red Board Video
Debbie Does Whip-ass 5 Red Board Video
Debbie Goes to War Coast to Coast
Debbie Does Dallas East vs. West Vivid
Debbie Does Unknown
Debbie Goes to Rehab Unknown
Debbie Does Dallas…Again Vivid
Debbie Loves Dallas Vivid

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: MaxwellSmart on 05/31/08 at 4:45 pm


Actually I think our "guest" is a different Debbie.  ;)

DEBBIE DOES DALLAS.


That was the one with the high school football players with beer paunches and comb-overs!
:D

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: CatwomanofV on 05/31/08 at 5:48 pm

Ok, can someone PLEASE explain what this thread is about? Or do I really want to know?




Cat

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: Step-chan on 05/31/08 at 6:16 pm


Ok, can someone PLEASE explain what this thread is about? Or do I really want to know?




Cat


The thread was originally about man-bashing(at least the was the troll's topic creator's intention). :D

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: thewolrab on 05/31/08 at 6:22 pm

Women allowed to cheat on their men?

You amuse me.

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: AL-B Mk. III on 06/01/08 at 4:35 am


Ok, can someone PLEASE explain what this thread is about? Or do I really want to know?




Cat


Who cares?

EDUCATE  us!

(You know you want to.  ;) )

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: Reynolds1863 on 06/01/08 at 9:55 pm


Actually I think our "guest" is a different Debbie.  ;)

DEBBIE DOES DALLAS.

Debbie Does Dallas is a famous 1978 pornographic movie starring Bambi Woods and Christie Ford (appearing under the name of Misty Winter). The plot of the film focuses on a team of cheerleaders attempting to earn enough money to send the title character to Dallas, Texas, to try out for the famous Dallas Cowboys cheerleading squad. It had the fictional name "Cowgirls," but it was seen as a take on the real-life Dallas Cowboys Cheerleaders. Each girl finds that she can make extra money during her after school job by having a sexual encounter with her employer.

Contrary to the title, the film is not set in Dallas nor does the titular Debbie "do" anyone in or from Dallas.

The opening scenes were shot at the State University of New York, Stony Brook on the field west of the Quad and in the Roosevelt Hall locker room. The notorious library scene was filmed at Stony Brook University in the Frank Melville Library. Other scenes were shot at Pratt Institute in Brooklyn, New York, without the administration's knowledge or approval. The movie spawned a number of sequels and spin-offs including Debbie Does New Orleans and Debbie Does Wall Street. It has also been remade with contemporary porn stars.

In 2001, "Debbie Does Dallas: The Musical" was created by Susan L. Schwartz for the New York Fringe Festival. In 2002 it was made into an Off-Broadway musical comedy of the same name. Unlike the original movie, the musical did not contain any actual sex or nudity, which caused some disappointment among people, as false hype had been made and the musical's producers did nothing to dismiss it. Since then, the show has been performed around the world, often with racier direction and more explicit choreography. The story, dialogue and characters are fairly faithful to the original film, with musical numbers standing in for sex scenes or added for comic effect.

In 2005 a documentary called Debbie Does Dallas Uncovered was produced and shown on British television.

In 2006, VCX employed Media Blasters to digitally re-master the movie from the original 35mm film into a "Definitive Collectors Edition" 2-Disc set on DVD.

On April 11, 2007, Vivid Entertainment Group began including the original Debbie Does Dallas with a new release titled Debbie Does Dallas ... Again in DVD, Blu-ray, and HD DVD formats.
Contents


    * 1 Credits
    * 2 Sequels
          o 2.1 Debbie Does Dallas 2 (1981)
          o 2.2 Debbie Does Dallas 3 (1985)
          o 2.3 Debbie Does Dallas 4 (1988)
          o 2.4 Debbie Does Dallas 5 (1988)
    * 3 Spin-offs
    * 4 External links

Credits

Debbie Does Dallas (1978)

    * Studio: VCX
    * Directed by Jim Clark
    * Writing credits: Maria Minestra
    * Credited cast:
          o Bambi Woods .... Debbie Benton
          o Robert Kerman .... Mr. Greenfeld (as R. Bolla)
          o Christie Ford .... Roberta (as Misty Winter)
          o Robin Byrd .... Mrs. Hardwick
          o Eric Edwards .... Mr. Hardwick
          o Rikki O'Neal .... Rikki (as Sherri Tart)
          o Jenny Cole .... Annie
          o David Suton .... Mr. Bradley
          o Merle Michaels .... Donna (as Merril Townsend)
          o Jake Teague .... Mr. Biddle (as Jack Teague)
          o Herschel Savage .... Tim (as Bill Barry)
          o Georgette Sanders .... Lisa
          o Peter Lerman .... Hamilton
          o Ben Pierce .... Ashley
          o Arcadia Lake .... Tammy
    * Also Known As: The Games People Play , Runtime: 80 min , Country: USA

Sequels

Debbie Does Dallas 2 (1981)

    * Directed by Jim Clark
    * Writing credits Paul Gatsby
    * Credited cast:
          o Bambi Woods .... Debbie Benton
          o Robert Kerman .... Trucker (as R. Bolla)
          o Ashley Welles .... Betty Sue
          o Daniella .... Exotic Dancer
          o Lisa Cintrice .... Mary Lou
          o Jean Silver .... Betsy Lou (as Jeanne Silver)
          o Belle Stevens .... Mary Sue
          o Lisa Be .... Sissy (as Lisa Bee)
          o Jamie St. James .... Henry (as Jamie St. John)
          o Ron Jeremy .... The Coach
          o Alan Adrian .... Willie John (as Spike Adrian)
          o Ron Hudd .... Little John
          o Park Richard .... The Voyeur
          o Bobby Golden .... Willie Mac

Debbie Does Dallas 3 (1985)

    * Directed by Joseph F. Robertson
    * Credited cast:
          o Kristara Barrington
          o Jerry Butler
          o Jannette Cummings
          o Debra Hardin
          o Ron Jeremy
          o Robert Kerman (as R. Bolla)
          o Jay Sterling
          o Joanna Storm
          o Bambi Woods

Debbie Does Dallas 4 (1988)

    * Credited cast:
          o Doreen Belmont
          o Jon Dough
          o Gail Force
          o Robin Lee
          o Kristi Leigh
          o Lynn LeMay
          o Dana Lynn
          o Tamy Reynolds

Debbie Does Dallas 5 (1988)

    * Credited cast:
          o Robin Lee (as Fallon)

Spin-offs

    * Debbie Does Las Vegas (1981)
    * Debbie Does 'em All (1985)
    * Debbie Does the Devil in Dallas (1987)
    * Debbie Does 'em All 2 (1988)
    * Debbie Does 'em All 3 (1989)
    * Debbie Does Wall Street (1991) (V)
    * Dallas Does Debbie (1992) (V)
    * Debbie Does Dallas Again (1994) (V)
    * Debbie Does Dallas: The Next Generation(1997) (V)
    * Debbie Does Dallas '99 (1999) (V)
    * Debbie Does Iowa (2000) (V)
    * Debbie Does New Orleans (2000) (V)
    * Debbie Does Dallas: The Revenge (2003) (V)
    * Debbie Does Dallas: East vs. West (2004) (V)
    * Debbie Does S&M
    * Debbie Does Jordan(2007)

TV Series: Debbie Does Dallas ... Again (2007)

A comic book series of 16 issues by Aircel Comics (1991-1992)

A Limited Edition comic book by Terminal Press (2008)

Debbie Does Dallas 1 VCX
Debbie Does Hawaii Unknown
Debbie Does Hollywood Unknown
Debbie Does Las Vegas Unknown
Debbie Does Dallas 2 Caballero Home Video
Debbie Does ‘em All Caballero Home Video
Debbie Does Dallas 3 VCA
Debbie Duz Dishes AVC
Debbie Duz Dishes 2: Blazing Mattresses AVC
Debbie Goes to College Essex Video / Electric Hollywood
Debbie Does the Devil in Dallas Essex Video/ Electric Hollywood
Debbie Duz Dishes 3 AVC
Debbie Class of ’88 Coast to Coast
Debbie Does Dallas 4 Leisure Time Entertainment
Debbie Does Dallas 5 Leisure Time Entertainment
Debbie for Hire Executive Video
Debbie for President Coast to Coast
Debbie Goes to Hawaii Vidco Entertainment
Debbie Class of ’89 Coast to Coast
Debbie Does ‘em All 2 Metro
Debbie Does ‘em All 3 Metro
Debbie Does Wall Street VCA
Dallas Does Debbie HIP Video
Debbie Does Dallas Again Arrow Productions
Debbie Class of ’95 Coast to Coast
Debbie Does Dallas ‘99 Vivid
Debbie Does Dallas The Next Generation Vivid
Debbie Does Fem-dom 1 Red Board Video
Debbie Does Iowa Vivid
Debbie Does New Orleans Vivid
Debbie Does Whip-ass Red Board Video
Debbie Does S & M Red Board Video
Debbie Does Spanking 1 Red Board Video
Debbie Does Spanking 2 Red Board Video
Debbie Does Whip-ass 2 Red Board Video
Debbie Does Whip-ass 3 Red Board Video
Debbie Does Fem-dom 2 Red Board Video
Debbie Does Whip-ass 4 Red Board Video
Debbie Does Dallas The Revenge Vivid
Debbie Does Fem-dom 3 Red Board Video
Debbie Does Fem-dom 4 Red Board Video
Debbie Does Spanking 3 Red Board Video
Debbie Does Whip-ass 5 Red Board Video
Debbie Goes to War Coast to Coast
Debbie Does Dallas East vs. West Vivid
Debbie Does Unknown
Debbie Goes to Rehab Unknown
Debbie Does Dallas…Again Vivid
Debbie Loves Dallas Vivid


The guys in the first DDD are ugly enough to induce vomiting.  Of course the tradition was carried on by using Ron Jeromy in a sequel.  Wait, did that say Debbie Does Dishes? ;D

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: Reynolds1863 on 06/01/08 at 10:01 pm


Well, you can tune it for him, you're just not allowed to play it  :)


Sounds like part of a groupie caste system.  Guess the girls who tune are on the higher level.

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: CatwomanofV on 06/02/08 at 9:40 am


Actually I think our "guest" is a different Debbie.  ;)

DEBBIE DOES DALLAS.

Debbie Does Dallas is a famous 1978 pornographic movie starring Bambi Woods and Christie Ford (appearing under the name of Misty Winter). The plot of the film focuses on a team of cheerleaders attempting to earn enough money to send the title character to Dallas, Texas, to try out for the famous Dallas Cowboys cheerleading squad. It had the fictional name "Cowgirls," but it was seen as a take on the real-life Dallas Cowboys Cheerleaders. Each girl finds that she can make extra money during her after school job by having a sexual encounter with her employer.

Contrary to the title, the film is not set in Dallas nor does the titular Debbie "do" anyone in or from Dallas.

The opening scenes were shot at the State University of New York, Stony Brook on the field west of the Quad and in the Roosevelt Hall locker room. The notorious library scene was filmed at Stony Brook University in the Frank Melville Library. Other scenes were shot at Pratt Institute in Brooklyn, New York, without the administration's knowledge or approval. The movie spawned a number of sequels and spin-offs including Debbie Does New Orleans and Debbie Does Wall Street. It has also been remade with contemporary porn stars.

In 2001, "Debbie Does Dallas: The Musical" was created by Susan L. Schwartz for the New York Fringe Festival. In 2002 it was made into an Off-Broadway musical comedy of the same name. Unlike the original movie, the musical did not contain any actual sex or nudity, which caused some disappointment among people, as false hype had been made and the musical's producers did nothing to dismiss it. Since then, the show has been performed around the world, often with racier direction and more explicit choreography. The story, dialogue and characters are fairly faithful to the original film, with musical numbers standing in for sex scenes or added for comic effect.

In 2005 a documentary called Debbie Does Dallas Uncovered was produced and shown on British television.

In 2006, VCX employed Media Blasters to digitally re-master the movie from the original 35mm film into a "Definitive Collectors Edition" 2-Disc set on DVD.

On April 11, 2007, Vivid Entertainment Group began including the original Debbie Does Dallas with a new release titled Debbie Does Dallas ... Again in DVD, Blu-ray, and HD DVD formats.
Contents


    * 1 Credits
    * 2 Sequels
          o 2.1 Debbie Does Dallas 2 (1981)
          o 2.2 Debbie Does Dallas 3 (1985)
          o 2.3 Debbie Does Dallas 4 (1988)
          o 2.4 Debbie Does Dallas 5 (1988)
    * 3 Spin-offs
    * 4 External links

Credits

Debbie Does Dallas (1978)

    * Studio: VCX
    * Directed by Jim Clark
    * Writing credits: Maria Minestra
    * Credited cast:
          o Bambi Woods .... Debbie Benton
          o Robert Kerman .... Mr. Greenfeld (as R. Bolla)
          o Christie Ford .... Roberta (as Misty Winter)
          o Robin Byrd .... Mrs. Hardwick
          o Eric Edwards .... Mr. Hardwick
          o Rikki O'Neal .... Rikki (as Sherri Tart)
          o Jenny Cole .... Annie
          o David Suton .... Mr. Bradley
          o Merle Michaels .... Donna (as Merril Townsend)
          o Jake Teague .... Mr. Biddle (as Jack Teague)
          o Herschel Savage .... Tim (as Bill Barry)
          o Georgette Sanders .... Lisa
          o Peter Lerman .... Hamilton
          o Ben Pierce .... Ashley
          o Arcadia Lake .... Tammy
    * Also Known As: The Games People Play , Runtime: 80 min , Country: USA

Sequels

Debbie Does Dallas 2 (1981)

    * Directed by Jim Clark
    * Writing credits Paul Gatsby
    * Credited cast:
          o Bambi Woods .... Debbie Benton
          o Robert Kerman .... Trucker (as R. Bolla)
          o Ashley Welles .... Betty Sue
          o Daniella .... Exotic Dancer
          o Lisa Cintrice .... Mary Lou
          o Jean Silver .... Betsy Lou (as Jeanne Silver)
          o Belle Stevens .... Mary Sue
          o Lisa Be .... Sissy (as Lisa Bee)
          o Jamie St. James .... Henry (as Jamie St. John)
          o Ron Jeremy .... The Coach
          o Alan Adrian .... Willie John (as Spike Adrian)
          o Ron Hudd .... Little John
          o Park Richard .... The Voyeur
          o Bobby Golden .... Willie Mac

Debbie Does Dallas 3 (1985)

    * Directed by Joseph F. Robertson
    * Credited cast:
          o Kristara Barrington
          o Jerry Butler
          o Jannette Cummings
          o Debra Hardin
          o Ron Jeremy
          o Robert Kerman (as R. Bolla)
          o Jay Sterling
          o Joanna Storm
          o Bambi Woods

Debbie Does Dallas 4 (1988)

    * Credited cast:
          o Doreen Belmont
          o Jon Dough
          o Gail Force
          o Robin Lee
          o Kristi Leigh
          o Lynn LeMay
          o Dana Lynn
          o Tamy Reynolds

Debbie Does Dallas 5 (1988)

    * Credited cast:
          o Robin Lee (as Fallon)

Spin-offs

    * Debbie Does Las Vegas (1981)
    * Debbie Does 'em All (1985)
    * Debbie Does the Devil in Dallas (1987)
    * Debbie Does 'em All 2 (1988)
    * Debbie Does 'em All 3 (1989)
    * Debbie Does Wall Street (1991) (V)
    * Dallas Does Debbie (1992) (V)
    * Debbie Does Dallas Again (1994) (V)
    * Debbie Does Dallas: The Next Generation(1997) (V)
    * Debbie Does Dallas '99 (1999) (V)
    * Debbie Does Iowa (2000) (V)
    * Debbie Does New Orleans (2000) (V)
    * Debbie Does Dallas: The Revenge (2003) (V)
    * Debbie Does Dallas: East vs. West (2004) (V)
    * Debbie Does S&M
    * Debbie Does Jordan(2007)

TV Series: Debbie Does Dallas ... Again (2007)

A comic book series of 16 issues by Aircel Comics (1991-1992)

A Limited Edition comic book by Terminal Press (2008)

Debbie Does Dallas 1 VCX
Debbie Does Hawaii Unknown
Debbie Does Hollywood Unknown
Debbie Does Las Vegas Unknown
Debbie Does Dallas 2 Caballero Home Video
Debbie Does ‘em All Caballero Home Video
Debbie Does Dallas 3 VCA
Debbie Duz Dishes AVC
Debbie Duz Dishes 2: Blazing Mattresses AVC
Debbie Goes to College Essex Video / Electric Hollywood
Debbie Does the Devil in Dallas Essex Video/ Electric Hollywood
Debbie Duz Dishes 3 AVC
Debbie Class of ’88 Coast to Coast
Debbie Does Dallas 4 Leisure Time Entertainment
Debbie Does Dallas 5 Leisure Time Entertainment
Debbie for Hire Executive Video
Debbie for President Coast to Coast
Debbie Goes to Hawaii Vidco Entertainment
Debbie Class of ’89 Coast to Coast
Debbie Does ‘em All 2 Metro
Debbie Does ‘em All 3 Metro
Debbie Does Wall Street VCA
Dallas Does Debbie HIP Video
Debbie Does Dallas Again Arrow Productions
Debbie Class of ’95 Coast to Coast
Debbie Does Dallas ‘99 Vivid
Debbie Does Dallas The Next Generation Vivid
Debbie Does Fem-dom 1 Red Board Video
Debbie Does Iowa Vivid
Debbie Does New Orleans Vivid
Debbie Does Whip-ass Red Board Video
Debbie Does S & M Red Board Video
Debbie Does Spanking 1 Red Board Video
Debbie Does Spanking 2 Red Board Video
Debbie Does Whip-ass 2 Red Board Video
Debbie Does Whip-ass 3 Red Board Video
Debbie Does Fem-dom 2 Red Board Video
Debbie Does Whip-ass 4 Red Board Video
Debbie Does Dallas The Revenge Vivid
Debbie Does Fem-dom 3 Red Board Video
Debbie Does Fem-dom 4 Red Board Video
Debbie Does Spanking 3 Red Board Video
Debbie Does Whip-ass 5 Red Board Video
Debbie Goes to War Coast to Coast
Debbie Does Dallas East vs. West Vivid
Debbie Does Unknown
Debbie Goes to Rehab Unknown
Debbie Does Dallas…Again Vivid
Debbie Loves Dallas Vivid



We have the first 3 in the series but I have never watched it.  :-\\  Of course we just got all three of them a few months ago. I have seen Debbie Duz Dishes, thought.



Cat

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: AL-B Mk. III on 06/02/08 at 3:23 pm



We have the first 3 in the series but I have never watched it.  :-\\  Of course we just got all three of them a few months ago. I have seen Debbie Duz Dishes, thought.



Cat


You know, I've never actually seen any of those movies either.

However, Debbie must've really gone downhill quite a bit if she went from doing Dallas to doing dishes.  :D

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: bookmistress4ever on 06/02/08 at 5:06 pm




You know, I've never actually seen any of those movies either.

However, Debbie must've really gone downhill quite a bit if she went from doing Dallas to doing dishes.  :D


Never saw any of them either, but it makes sense 'cause after high school, it all goes downhill from there and Lord knows that there are ALWAYS dishes to do.  ;D

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: Tia on 06/02/08 at 9:58 pm

http://youtube.com/watch?v=KACQuZVAE3s

:o

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: Denise on 06/03/08 at 11:12 am

I think one day the entire male species will die out completely and women will completely take over the universe, hense the reasons for cloning so we wouldn't have to put up with men anymore!!  Personally...I happen to think all men are a$$holes!!

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: Jessica on 06/03/08 at 11:17 am


I think one day the entire male species will die out completely and women will completely take over the universe, hense the reasons for cloning so we wouldn't have to put up with men anymore!!  Personally...I happen to think all men are a$$holes!!


Awwww, someone needs a nice boinking.

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: Tia on 06/03/08 at 11:23 am


I think one day the entire male species will die out completely and women will completely take over the universe, hense the reasons for cloning so we wouldn't have to put up with men anymore!!  Personally...I happen to think all men are a$$holes!!
this is more blowback cuz hillary didn't win, isn't it?

hey, at least now there's some drama to make the board interesting again. i'll go ahead and be argumentative and i say that i once met this one guy who wasn't an a$$hole. so i think there's one.

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: La Roche on 06/03/08 at 11:55 am


I think one day the entire male species will die out completely and women will completely take over the universe, hense the reasons for cloning so we wouldn't have to put up with men anymore!!  Personally...I happen to think all men are a$$holes!!


Hold on, let me fetch my Batman costume.

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: Tia on 06/03/08 at 12:04 pm


Hold on, let me fetch my Batman costume.
that's batPERSON >:(

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: AL-B Mk. III on 06/03/08 at 1:39 pm


I think one day the entire male species will die out completely and women will completely take over the universe, hense the reasons for cloning so we wouldn't have to put up with men anymore!!  Personally...I happen to think all men are a$$holes!!


Save the drama for your mama.

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: Tia on 06/03/08 at 1:39 pm


Save the drama for your mama.
typical male :P

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: AL-B Mk. III on 06/03/08 at 1:45 pm


typical male :P


http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s78/AL-B_photos/IMG_2010.jpg<----CREEP.

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: Step-chan on 06/03/08 at 2:19 pm


I think one day the entire male species will die out completely and women will completely take over the universe, hense the reasons for cloning so we wouldn't have to put up with men anymore!!  Personally...I happen to think all men are a$$holes!!


Hi Debbie! ;D

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: Jessica on 06/03/08 at 4:03 pm


http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s78/AL-B_photos/IMG_2010.jpg<----CREEP.


http://www.inthe00s.com/smile/07/naughty.gif

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: Reynolds1863 on 06/03/08 at 4:37 pm


I think one day the entire male species will die out completely and women will completely take over the universe, hense the reasons for cloning so we wouldn't have to put up with men anymore!!  Personally...I happen to think all men are a$$holes!!


Awww sweetie pie than who could you blame your blatant low self esteem on?

Excuse me,  but can I wipe this WD40 that I have on my hands on you?  I hate soap.

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: Reynolds1863 on 06/03/08 at 4:40 pm


http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s78/AL-B_photos/IMG_2010.jpg<----CREEP.


Don't make me have to bitch-slap you creep.  Ford is vile, Chevy is where it's at. >:(

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: Dagwood on 06/03/08 at 5:28 pm


Awwww, someone needs a nice boinking.


;D Karma

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: MaxwellSmart on 06/03/08 at 8:53 pm


Awwww, someone needs a nice boinking.

I'd settle for an indifferent boinking....
:-\\

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: bookmistress4ever on 06/03/08 at 8:58 pm


I think one day the entire male species will die out completely and women will completely take over the universe, hense the reasons for cloning so we wouldn't have to put up with men anymore!!  Personally...I happen to think all men are a$$holes!!


I've seen the movie Multiplicity, I don't think I want to be in a world where you get a copy of a copy of a copy.  Eventually they get degraded and then how much better would you really be off then?  ;D  Besides...who would open the pickle jar for me?  I never can open the damn thing.  >:(

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: Foo Bar on 06/03/08 at 9:59 pm

Besides...who would open the pickle jar for me? 


Careful what you ask for.  Someone might just call Rule 34 on Debbie/Denise opening a pickle jar, perhaps using screen grabs from South Park's Hillary Clinton episode (Season 11, Episode 4, "The Snuke") for source images.

(Whaddya mean, of course the mic's off, we're not live to air or anything, are we?)

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: AL-B Mk. III on 06/04/08 at 12:44 am

Denise is just bitter because her parents are so dumb they named her brother DeNephew.

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: whistledog on 06/04/08 at 12:54 am


Denise is just bitter because her parents are so dumb they named her brother DeNephew.


;D

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: AL-B Mk. III on 06/04/08 at 1:23 am


Don't make me have to bitch-slap you creep.  Ford is vile, Chevy is where it's at. >:(


Here's a little poem I made up about my car:


I'm not a cop.

I'm not a dick.

I just got a good deal on a used Crown Vic.  8)

http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s78/AL-B_photos/IMG_1888.jpg

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: Debbie on 06/04/08 at 10:50 am

A few sayings to think about:

BEHIND EVERY GOOD MAN IS A BETTER WOMAN!!

BEHIND EVERY GOOD WOMAN IS HERSELF!!

MEN NEED WOMEN MORE THAN WOMEN NEED MEN!!

MEN ARE BAD AT ONLY TWO THINGS....EVERYTHING THEY SAY AND EVERYTHING THEY DO!!

I HAVE LEARNED TWO VERY VALUABLE LESSONS IN LOVE....WOMEN CAN DO NO WRONG AND MEN CAN DO NO RIGHT!!

WOMEN RULE....MEN DROOL!!

IT'S A WOMAN'S WORLD AND MEN ARE JUST PIECES OF CRAP WHO DONATE SPERM!!

WHEN GOD INVENTED MEN...SHE WAS ONLY KIDDING!!

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: Tia on 06/04/08 at 11:00 am


A few sayings to think about:

BEHIND EVERY GOOD MAN IS A BETTER WOMAN!!

BEHIND EVERY GOOD WOMAN IS HERSELF!!

MEN NEED WOMEN MORE THAN WOMEN NEED MEN!!

MEN ARE BAD AT ONLY TWO THINGS....EVERYTHING THEY SAY AND EVERYTHING THEY DO!!

I HAVE LEARNED TWO VERY VALUABLE LESSONS IN LOVE....WOMEN CAN DO NO WRONG AND MEN CAN DO NO RIGHT!!

WOMEN RULE....MEN DROOL!!

IT'S A WOMAN'S WORLD AND MEN ARE JUST PIECES OF CRAP WHO DONATE SPERM!!

WHEN GOD INVENTED MEN...SHE WAS ONLY KIDDING!!
or, to paraphrase

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XluSejBDiIQ

;D

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: Tia on 06/04/08 at 11:06 am

RELATIONSHIP ARITHMETIC :

Smart man + smart woman = romance
Smart man + dumb woman = affair
Dumb man + smart woman = marriage
Dumb man + dumb woman = pregnancy

GENERAL EQUATIONS & STATISTICS :

A woman worries about the future until she gets a husband.  A man never worries about the future until he gets a wife.

A successful man is one who makes more money than his wife  can spend. A successful woman is one who can find such a man.

To be happy with a man, you must understand him a lot and love  him a little. To be happy with a woman, you must love her a lot and not try to understand her at all.

Married men live longer than single men, but married men are a lot more willing to die.

Any married man should forget his mistakes, there's no use in two people remembering the same thing.

Men wake up as good-looking as they went to bed. Women somehow deteriorate during the night.

A woman marries a man expecting he will change, but he doesn't. A man marries a woman expecting that she won't change, and she does.

A woman has the last word in any argument. Anything a man says after that is the beginning of a new argument.

There are 2 times when a man doesn't understand a woman - before marriage and after marriage.

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: Jessica on 06/04/08 at 1:08 pm


A few sayings to think about:

BEHIND EVERY GOOD MAN IS A BETTER WOMAN!!

BEHIND EVERY GOOD WOMAN IS HERSELF!!

MEN NEED WOMEN MORE THAN WOMEN NEED MEN!!

MEN ARE BAD AT ONLY TWO THINGS....EVERYTHING THEY SAY AND EVERYTHING THEY DO!!

I HAVE LEARNED TWO VERY VALUABLE LESSONS IN LOVE....WOMEN CAN DO NO WRONG AND MEN CAN DO NO RIGHT!!

WOMEN RULE....MEN DROOL!!

IT'S A WOMAN'S WORLD AND MEN ARE JUST PIECES OF CRAP WHO DONATE SPERM!!

WHEN GOD INVENTED MEN...SHE WAS ONLY KIDDING!!


Seriously....sex. Cure all. If not with a man, then with a giant dildo.

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: ?????????????????????? on 06/04/08 at 1:36 pm

Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeellllll Debbie is a ##### she's a big fat ***** she's the biggest $$$$$ in the whole wide world


Sorry but it's true.

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: CrazyDude on 06/04/08 at 1:41 pm

So, is Debbie the best troll in inthe00's history yet?

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: Tia on 06/04/08 at 1:51 pm


So, is Debbie the best troll in inthe00's history yet?
god, i only wish. ;D

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: AL-B Mk. III on 06/04/08 at 2:07 pm


So, is Debbie the best troll in inthe00's history yet?


No.

This kid is.

http://www.inthe00s.com/index.php?topic=9314.0

You're not even close.  :P

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: Tia on 06/04/08 at 2:10 pm


No.

This kid is.

http://www.inthe00s.com/index.php?topic=9314.0

You're not even close.  :P
we appreciate the effort, though. we don't get nearly enough trolls.

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: AL-B Mk. III on 06/04/08 at 2:12 pm


we appreciate the effort, though. we don't get nearly enough trolls.


http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s78/AL-B_photos/applause.gif

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: Step-chan on 06/04/08 at 3:46 pm


A few sayings to think about:

BEHIND EVERY GOOD MAN IS A BETTER WOMAN!!

BEHIND EVERY GOOD WOMAN IS HERSELF!!

MEN NEED WOMEN MORE THAN WOMEN NEED MEN!!

MEN ARE BAD AT ONLY TWO THINGS....EVERYTHING THEY SAY AND EVERYTHING THEY DO!!

I HAVE LEARNED TWO VERY VALUABLE LESSONS IN LOVE....WOMEN CAN DO NO WRONG AND MEN CAN DO NO RIGHT!!

WOMEN RULE....MEN DROOL!!

IT'S A WOMAN'S WORLD AND MEN ARE JUST PIECES OF CRAP WHO DONATE SPERM!!

WHEN GOD INVENTED MEN...SHE WAS ONLY KIDDING!!


I believe in gender equality myself.

I win. ;D

Subject: Is it too late?

Written By: ?????????????????????? on 06/04/08 at 3:51 pm

Is it too late for random articles? Cause I miss those.

(I'M NOT THAT MISANDRIST DEBBIE!!!)

Subject: Re: Is it too late?

Written By: Step-chan on 06/04/08 at 3:54 pm


Is it too late for random articles? Cause I miss those.

(I'M NOT THAT MISANDRIST DEBBIE!!!)


That's up to you.

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: CrazyDude on 06/04/08 at 7:52 pm


I believe in gender equality myself.

I win. ;D
Gender Equality FTW!!!!

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: quirky_cat_girl on 06/04/08 at 9:29 pm

This is what happens when non-registered GUESTS are allowed to post. SPAM. TROLLS. Ugh. ::) At least if they were registered...they could be banned. ;)

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: RhodesGoddess84 on 06/04/08 at 10:11 pm

I agree...this is one messed up thread!  I happen to believe in gender equality and that no one should have to suffer regardless of their gender, or backround.  There is alot of bias against men these days, especially on TV ads and shows and movies.  Not taking away all the crap we women have to go through.  I'm pissed off about Hilary dropping out of the race, but at the same time, I don't feel the need to "cut" every man I come in contact with.  I guess this is why I will never be a co-host on "The View".  ;D

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: bookmistress4ever on 06/04/08 at 10:13 pm


I agree...this is one messed up thread!  I happen to believe in gender equality and that no one should have to suffer regardless of their gender, or backround.  There is alot of bias against men these days, especially on TV ads and shows and movies.  Not taking away all the crap we women have to go through.  I'm pissed off about Hilary dropping out of the race, but at the same time, I don't feel the need to "cut" every man I come in contact with.  I guess this is why I will never be a co-host on "The View".  ;D


lol  I agree and welcome to the boards.  :)

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: RhodesGoddess84 on 06/04/08 at 10:14 pm

By the way, AL-B, I'm curious...what's that little icon at the bottom of your posts?  The one with the guy who has the big mouth?  Where is that from?

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: RhodesGoddess84 on 06/04/08 at 10:15 pm


lol  I agree and welcome to the boards.   :)


Thank you very much.

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: AL-B Mk. III on 06/04/08 at 11:40 pm


By the way, AL-B, I'm curious...what's that little icon at the bottom of your posts?  The one with the guy who has the big mouth?  Where is that from?
LOL, I don't remember.

I must've just found it surfing around the net one day.

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: La Roche on 06/04/08 at 11:50 pm


LOL, I don't remember.

I must've just found it surfing around the net one day.


I remember you had it as your avatar for a while... but then saw sense and bought tounguey back.

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: AL-B Mk. III on 06/04/08 at 11:57 pm


I remember you had it as your avatar for a while... but then saw sense and bought tounguey back.


Actually I did a poll on it, remember?

For some reason, the female members were especially vocal about me bringing the tongue-toilet back.

But, for the life of me, I can't figure out why a toilet with a two-foot long tongue that never stops wagging would be appealing to women.  ???

Maybe Debbie/Denise might be able to explain.

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: La Roche on 06/05/08 at 12:24 am


Actually I did a poll on it, remember?

For some reason, the female members were especially vocal about me bringing the tongue-toilet back.

But, for the life of me, I can't figure out why a toilet with a two-foot long tongue that never stops wagging would be appealing to women.  ???

Maybe Debbie/Denise might be able to explain.


Maybe because it's the only thing that matches their tongue wagging?

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: bookmistress4ever on 06/05/08 at 1:23 am

I think Debbie/Denise might write commercials/sitcoms for Hollywood now, because they usually portray the guys as being morons.  ::)

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: RhodesGoddess84 on 06/05/08 at 5:01 am


Actually I did a poll on it, remember?

For some reason, the female members were especially vocal about me bringing the tongue-toilet back.

But, for the life of me, I can't figure out why a toilet with a two-foot long tongue that never stops wagging would be appealing to women.  ???

Maybe Debbie/Denise might be able to explain.


Well...it's very tongue-in-cheek!!  ;D ;) :D Bad joke, sorry!!

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: AL-B Mk. III on 06/05/08 at 12:44 pm


Well...it's very tongue-in-cheek!!  ;D ;) :D Bad joke, sorry!!





<----------Don't make me sic my toilet on you.  :o :o :o

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: ?????????????????????? on 06/05/08 at 1:50 pm

I'll eat my candy with the Pork and Beans/Excuse my manners if I make a scene/I ain't gonna wear the clothes that you like/I'm fine and dandy with the me inside/One look in the mirror and I'm tickled pink/I don't give a hoot about what you think!

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: Reynolds1863 on 06/05/08 at 6:18 pm


Here's a little poem I made up about my car:


I'm not a cop.

I'm not a dick.

I just got a good deal on a used Crown Vic.  8)

http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s78/AL-B_photos/IMG_1888.jpg


That's lovely. :)

I'd suggest a reference to an explosion at the end.

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: Step-chan on 06/05/08 at 10:00 pm

dandan

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: Tia on 06/06/08 at 1:12 pm

http://joshreads.com/images/jla/0410/i041008barneygoogle.gif

"Fellas, don’t let the ladies fool you when they talk about wanting men who are “sensitive”, “caring”, “literate”, or “not felons”. Since time immemorial, girls have always gone in for bad boys. No matter how nicely they dress, with their big fluffy pastel-colored bows and such, they’re inevitably hanging around places where bad boys go — bars, detention, prison — waiting to get their hands on some surly, untameable stallion.

It’s good to see that the teachers in Hootin’ Holler, untouched by the educational reforms that have swept over the U.S. since the end of the Hoover administration, are still publicly humiliating naughty children Cultural Revolution-style. Also, Whar Th’ Boys Are would be a great beach movie in which four hillbillies, or possibly four pirates, came to Ft. Lauderdale on spring break in search of a little action."

from the comics curmudgeon, my obsession of the week.

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: AL-B Mk. III on 06/06/08 at 2:25 pm


http://joshreads.com/images/jla/0410/i041008barneygoogle.gif

"Fellas, don’t let the ladies fool you when they talk about wanting men who are “sensitive”, “caring”, “literate”, or “not felons”. Since time immemorial, girls have always gone in for bad boys. No matter how nicely they dress, with their big fluffy pastel-colored bows and such, they’re inevitably hanging around places where bad boys go — bars, detention, prison — waiting to get their hands on some surly, untameable stallion.

It’s good to see that the teachers in Hootin’ Holler, untouched by the educational reforms that have swept over the U.S. since the end of the Hoover administration, are still publicly humiliating naughty children Cultural Revolution-style. Also, Whar Th’ Boys Are would be a great beach movie in which four hillbillies, or possibly four pirates, came to Ft. Lauderdale on spring break in search of a little action."

from the comics curmudgeon, my obsession of the week.


Which one is "Jughaid???"  ;D

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: Step-chan on 06/06/08 at 3:03 pm


http://joshreads.com/images/jla/0410/i041008barneygoogle.gif

"Fellas, don’t let the ladies fool you when they talk about wanting men who are “sensitive”, “caring”, “literate”, or “not felons”. Since time immemorial, girls have always gone in for bad boys. No matter how nicely they dress, with their big fluffy pastel-colored bows and such, they’re inevitably hanging around places where bad boys go — bars, detention, prison — waiting to get their hands on some surly, untameable stallion.

It’s good to see that the teachers in Hootin’ Holler, untouched by the educational reforms that have swept over the U.S. since the end of the Hoover administration, are still publicly humiliating naughty children Cultural Revolution-style. Also, Whar Th’ Boys Are would be a great beach movie in which four hillbillies, or possibly four pirates, came to Ft. Lauderdale on spring break in search of a little action."

from the comics curmudgeon, my obsession of the week.


Ironically, alot of the "nice" guys are secretly bad themselves. :D

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: Tia on 06/06/08 at 3:04 pm


Which one is "Jughaid???"   ;D
i think he's the bushy-haired guy next to cletus! you know, with the dunce cap?

p.s.

http://www.joshreads.com/images/0410/i041028peanuts.gif

p.p.s.

http://www.joshreads.com/images/0411/i041127famcirc.jpg

"I’m thankful that at least one member of this family is beginning to question the oppressive patriarchal suburban hell in which she lives."

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: CrazyDude on 06/06/08 at 4:08 pm

Green Grass and High Tides forever.....

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: Tia on 06/06/08 at 8:35 pm


Green Grass and High Tides forever.....
when i was in high school i was riding with two friends of mine, one white and one black, and this song came on the radio and i turned around and said to my black friend in my most crazed hick accent, "HYEW BETTER WATCH IT THAR, BUDDAH, MUSIC LIKE THIS GETS US WHITE FOLKS ALL RILED UP." he thought it was the funniest thing in the world. my, how things have changed.

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: Step-chan on 06/07/08 at 4:53 pm

Makes a phone call

Step-chan: Hello, Quagmire? We have a woman who needs your attention.

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: ?????????????????????? on 06/07/08 at 5:19 pm

^That "Rama gun" in your sig.....

Use it on Debbie.  :)

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: Step-chan on 06/07/08 at 7:24 pm


^That "Ranma gun" in your sig.....

Use it on Debbie.  :)


Okay.

Do you know where I got that sig from?

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: Green Lantern on 06/07/08 at 10:23 pm


I think one day the entire male species will die out completely and women will completely take over the universe, hense the reasons for cloning so we wouldn't have to put up with men anymore!!  Personally...I happen to think all men are a$$holes!!




Hey Denise ... give a dog a bad name ... it might as well live up to it ?    ???

Being a male .... I MUST be an 'a$$hole' right ?      :-\\  :-http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/5476/frenchguardthumbog3.jpg
"FART .... in your general direction !"    :P















Where's Al B when you need him ?  ???    :(
















http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/4881/albtruckguyik8.jpg

Ahh, THERE you are, my 'good man' !    :)    8)
















Please be good enough to deliver that truck load of manure .... over in Denise's direction. 
































http://www.pound-maker.ca/images/manure_truck.jpg


Nicely done, Al .... nicely done !


8)












:D




;D

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: Jessica on 06/08/08 at 12:28 am

I couldn't resist.

http://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/fail-math-woman.jpg

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: Midas on 06/08/08 at 11:30 am


I couldn't resist.

http://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/fail-math-woman.jpg


Therefore, using that logic and if Denise/Debbie = a woman,

Tracey = Denise/Debbie

Tracey is wrong = Denise/Debbie is wrong.

:D

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: bookmistress4ever on 06/08/08 at 1:19 pm

^ Too much of this higher math stuff spoils my pretty little brain.  :P

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: AL-B Mk. III on 06/08/08 at 2:11 pm


Where's Al B when you need him ?  ???    :(


Sorry Al, I was over at Denise's house making a service call.

http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s78/AL-B_photos/bigals-1.jpg


Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: Reynolds1863 on 06/08/08 at 2:32 pm


Sorry Al, I was over at Denise's house making a service call.

http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s78/AL-B_photos/bigals-1.jpg





That's one heck of a big truck.  Denise must have some serious problems.  The poor girl. :\'(

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: CatwomanofV on 06/08/08 at 2:54 pm


Sorry Al, I was over at Denise's house making a service call.

http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s78/AL-B_photos/bigals-1.jpg






Too funny.



Cat

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: ?????????????????????? on 06/08/08 at 2:59 pm


Okay.

Do you know where I got that sig from?
No, where?

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: Step-chan on 06/08/08 at 3:06 pm


No, where?


An animated flash short series, right now there are only two of this series.

It's called "Attack of the evil TV", my sig comes from the second vid of it.

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: ?????????????????????? on 06/08/08 at 10:20 pm

^Still, use it on Debbie/Denise, s/he'll get a kick out ofit!

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: Step-chan on 06/08/08 at 10:31 pm

Uses the Ranma Gun on Debbie/Denise.

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: Debbie on 06/08/08 at 10:41 pm

Ah! I'm a fithy pug! I'm the scum of the Universe, I'M A MAN!!!!!


*Killls self*

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: ?????????????????????? on 06/08/08 at 10:42 pm

^Ok, THAT was me :)

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: AL-B Mk. III on 06/09/08 at 12:41 am


Ah! I'm a fithy pug! I'm the scum of the Universe, I'M A MAN!!!!!


*Killls self*


Actually, if there really was such a thing as a "ranma gun" that could instantly change someone's gender, and someone fired it at Denise/Debbie, it'd be more like this:


Ah! I'm a fithy pug! I'm the scum of the Universe, I'M A MAN!!!!!

Hey, wait a minute....Aha!  NOW I understand why men spend so much time playing with these things!  :D :D :D


(Not to mention that if someone hit ME with a ranma gun and I turned into a woman, I'd probably spend the first several hours in the shower soaping my boobs up.  :o :o :o)

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: bookmistress4ever on 06/09/08 at 1:45 am



(Not to mention that if someone hit ME with a ranma gun and I turned into a woman, I'd probably spend the first several hours in the shower soaping my boobs up.  :o :o :o)


After the first 5 minutes, they lose all their novelty.  Trust me on that one.  ;D

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: AL-B Mk. III on 06/09/08 at 2:00 am


After the first 5 minutes, they lose all their novelty.  Trust me on that one.  ;D


Yeah, maybe, but I can guarantee that if Step-chan zapped YOU with his ranma gun, then, well, after you reached down and gave it a couple tugs you'd be just like a kid with a brand-new toy.

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: Green Lantern on 06/09/08 at 2:29 am


Actually, if there really was such a thing as a "ranma gun" that could instantly change someone's gender, and someone fired it at Denise/Debbie, it'd be more like this:

(Not to mention that if someone hit ME with a ranma gun and I turned into a woman, I'd probably spend the first several hours in the shower soaping my boobs up.  :o :o :o)



Yes .... and if I too was converted into a woman ........ my no.1 priority would be to give myself a VERY thorough medical examination .... lasting several days ... with the intent of experiencing their No. 1 advantage over us !    >:(    :-MULTIPLE ORGASMS !!!!!!!!!!!!!












:D

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: AL-B Mk. III on 06/09/08 at 2:49 am



Yes .... and if I too was converted into a woman ........ my no.1 priority would be to give myself a VERY thorough medical examination .... lasting several days ... with the intent of experiencing their No. 1 advantage over us !    >:(    :-MULTIPLE ORGASMS !!!!!!!!!!!!!












:D


Isn't it fun driving these threads straight into the gutter?  ;D ;D ;D

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: Reynolds1863 on 06/09/08 at 9:27 am

Denise will be so disappointed that we demolished her crusade against the male sex.  *shugs* Oh well, I need a beer.  I'm gonna go watch a few episodes of Married With Children. :)

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: Step-chan on 06/09/08 at 2:17 pm


^Ok, THAT was me :)


Good one.  ;D

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: Step-chan on 06/09/08 at 2:19 pm


Yeah, maybe, but I can guarantee that if Step-chan zapped YOU with his ranma gun, then, well, after you reached down and gave it a couple tugs you'd be just like a kid with a brand-new toy.


Ain't that the truth. ;)

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: Step-chan on 06/09/08 at 2:21 pm



Yes .... and if I too was converted into a woman ........ my no.1 priority would be to give myself a VERY thorough medical examination .... lasting several days ... with the intent of experiencing their No. 1 advantage over us !    >:(    :-MULTIPLE ORGASMS !!!!!!!!!!!!!












:D


:D :D :D :D :D

Does anybody know what the "Ranma" gun is a reference to?

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: CatwomanofV on 06/09/08 at 2:56 pm


:D :D :D :D :D

Does anybody know what the "Ranma" gun is a reference to?



Does anybody know what this thread is about?



Cat

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: Step-chan on 06/09/08 at 3:21 pm



Does anybody know what this thread is about?



Cat


A guest trolling...  :D ;D ::) ;)

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: ?????????????????????? on 06/09/08 at 3:50 pm

How about we list why being a man is great!

-Men don't have to wear a shirt
-Men are generally stronger
-Men maturing isn't as bad
-Men can grow hair everywhere and look like less of a creep.
-Animal men are better looking then animal women (Humans, that's different)

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: whistledog on 06/09/08 at 4:06 pm


How about we list why being a man is great!

-Men don't have to wear a shirt
-Men are generally stronger
-Men maturing isn't as bad
-Men can grow hair everywhere and look like less of a creep.
-Animal men are better looking then animal women (Humans, that's different)


How about we list why you post as a guest and not as a member :D

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: ????????????????????? on 06/09/08 at 5:55 pm


How about we list why you post as a guest and not as a member :D



Posting as a guest ..... well I'll give you one. I could be ANY body


I could be one of you ! I could be a member here .... messing wit' you ! I get to stir the pot in total anonymity !    8)


Anyway, for now, I'm : a series of question marks ............ cos it suits me ! Wanna do something about it, 'Whistledog' ?  >:(    ???
















Oh .... just for the record ..................................................................................please do NOT confuse me with:

?? ?  ?? ? ?? ?  ?? ? ?? ?  ?? ?  (He, she, it .... may have posted here before ?    ??? ).



I am: ?? ?  ?? ? ?? ?  ?? ? ?? ?  ??     









(Yes, if you count ... that's one '?' ... LESS ! ) ..........




which makes ALL  the difference.    :P













That unmistakeably  ::)  .......... reveals me to actually be one of YOU 'ass clowns' .........and when it comes to 'Ass' ...  they don't come much bigger than ........




















'Mr. Mister' !










:P




(YES .... it IS   I !)





;D








Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: ?????????????????????? on 06/09/08 at 6:37 pm

^Ok, that's another poser.

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: ??????????? on 06/09/08 at 6:51 pm


^Ok, that's another poser.
hey, what's going on around here?

another lying male chauvinist, afraid to reveal his true identity, most likely. >:(

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: Step-chan on 06/09/08 at 8:00 pm


hey, what's going on around here?

another lying male chauvinist, afraid to reveal his true identity, most likely. >:(


No different than a trolling misandrist... Here, I'll sing a song for you.

Stagecoach lady
Hourglass body
Making things glow in the night
Well she would if she could
And she'd be good if she would only
Be a lover, she'd be out tonight

Cause I'm a bad
A lonely school boy
And I'm a rat
It's too bad.... Can't get me none of that.

:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: ?????????????????????? on 06/09/08 at 9:37 pm


hey, what's going on around here?

another lying male chauvinist, afraid to reveal his true identity, most likely. >:(


^FAKER! I'M THE REAL ???????????!!!! You're debbie!

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: AL-B Mk. III on 06/10/08 at 2:33 am


^FAKER! I'M THE REAL ???????????!!!! You're debbie!


http://img2.timeinc.net/ew/dynamic/imgs/050519/9554__fgorshin_l.jpg

?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: Yeah_Funking_sandman on 06/10/08 at 5:27 pm

.........................

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: whistledog on 06/10/08 at 8:32 pm


http://www.clipartof.com/images/emoticons/xsmall2/377_pac-man.gif .........................

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: AL-B Mk. III on 06/11/08 at 2:28 am

http://x86code.com/pacman.gif

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: Reynolds1863 on 06/11/08 at 8:31 am

http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa93/ak_fithelement22/video%20game%20pics/2eaa.jpg

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: Foo Bar on 06/12/08 at 1:55 am

Seeing as how we still have a bit of a (Happy burnsday, Thich Quang Duc!) flamewar going on here, I might as well toss a little more gasoline on the fire.

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: Tia on 06/12/08 at 7:42 am


Seeing as how we still have a bit of a (Happy burnsday, Thich Quang Duc!) flamewar going on here, I might as well toss a little more gasoline on the fire.
i dunno, there's really not enough incoming from the "all men must die" side to constitute a flame war. it's really just us joking around. i might have to take up the all-men-must-die side just to heat things up.

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: ?????????????????????? on 06/12/08 at 2:21 pm

No, just keep gofing off here.

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: Step-chan on 06/12/08 at 5:12 pm

Goofing off!

Goofing off!

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: Green Lantern on 06/12/08 at 5:24 pm

Jerking off !


Beating the 'meat' !


8)


:P



:D

;D

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: MaxwellSmart on 06/12/08 at 7:56 pm

This thread may have punctuated lifespan!
:o

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: Step-chan on 06/12/08 at 9:23 pm

Hmm... So far it does seem that way.

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: Green Lantern on 06/12/08 at 9:56 pm


This thread may have punctuated lifespan!
:o






Hmm... So far it does seem that way.






: ! " ? ,  ; >  <  '   { } / -  <  and now  <    ...........just a little more punctuated ?      ???              :P      ;D

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: CatwomanofV on 06/13/08 at 10:57 am

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7_3RLtptk8




Cat

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men.

Written By: thereshegoes on 06/13/08 at 11:03 am

I like the title of this thread. First half is really true!

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men.

Written By: La Roche on 06/13/08 at 2:16 pm


I like the title of this thread. First half is really true!


'Women really are....'


Fill in the blank?

I could...

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men.

Written By: Reynolds1863 on 06/13/08 at 2:42 pm


'Women really are....'


Fill in the blank?

I could...


Oh, the endless possibilities.

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: Step-chan on 06/13/08 at 3:39 pm

Hmm...

Women really are ___________

;) :D ;D

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: ?????????????????????? on 06/13/08 at 6:25 pm

Women really are.............HOT!!!

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: thereshegoes on 06/13/08 at 7:47 pm


'Women really are....'


Fill in the blank?

I could...


:P
The title of this thread has two sentences,am i right?
Women really are better than men. = truth!
Here's why... = Who cares why? They just are!

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: Green Lantern on 06/13/08 at 8:13 pm


Women really are.............HOT!!!



WHAT !!!! http://forum.pc-freakz.com/style_emoticons/default/yikes.gif    ?? !!! 




You're trying to tell me .....






http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/9249/oldwomanwr3.png
She's 'hot'  ?    ^    ::)











But WAIT !      ???    .... What's THIS ! ?  http://forum.pc-freakz.com/style_emoticons/default/yikes.gif  ................































http://img73.imageshack.us/img73/8062/humour19zq6.gif

                  ^

So ...... NOW you can understand ........... WHY I'm an alcoholic ?      ???







:P






:D




;D

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: ?????????????????????? on 06/13/08 at 8:20 pm


:P
The title of this thread has two sentences,am i right?
Women really are better than men. = truth!
Here's why... = Who cares why? They just are!


Hi Debbie!

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: MaxwellSmart on 06/14/08 at 1:01 am

I don't like when people think it's cute to sign as as a bunch of question marks.

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: ????whoamI???????? on 06/14/08 at 3:26 am


I don't like when people think it's cute to sign as as a bunch of question marks.



Maxwell Smart, eh?    ???      ::)  So, you've got something about us guys who like to have a bunch of ?'s in our name, eh ?    >:(





Well, 'Maxwell'. Riddle me this then.  What kind of joker .... make that 'riddler' ... would bother to get dressed up in some stupid suit, and then pose a stupid question ... like 'whoamI ?    >:(















http://img73.imageshack.us/img73/1601/riddler1px4.jpg




















http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/9321/riddler2va2.jpg

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: Reynolds1863 on 06/14/08 at 12:01 pm


Hi Debbie!


Thereshegoes isn't Debbie. Can't believe you insulted Thereshegoes.  http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd293/MrsRoryWeasley/Other/Smilies/Millan%20Smilies/nono-1-1.gif

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: Green Lantern on 06/14/08 at 12:08 pm

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd293/MrsRoryWeasley/Other/Smilies/Millan%20Smilies/nono-1-1.gif


That '?' guy  ....
Hi Debbie!


Is NOT to be confused with ....
Maxwell Smart, eh?    ???      ::)  So, you've got something about us guys who like to have a bunch of ?'s in our name, eh ?    >:(




Who I have a strong hunch, is an entirely different 'kettle of fish' !    :P      ;D

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: Step-chan on 06/14/08 at 3:09 pm


:P
The title of this thread has two sentences,am i right?
Women really are better than men. = truth!
Here's why... = Who cares why? They just are!


That's a far more intelligent reason than what Debbie/Denise posted! ;)

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: AL-B Mk. III on 06/14/08 at 4:49 pm


:P
The title of this thread has two sentences,am i right?
Women really are better than men. = truth!
Here's why... = Who cares why? They just are!


Yeah, but...being male is so much more convenient!

Especially when it comes to peeing.  :D :D :D

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: La Roche on 06/15/08 at 10:56 pm


:P
The title of this thread has two sentences,am i right?
Women really are better than men. = truth!
Here's why... = Who cares why? They just are!


That's why you're the new Chelsea boss right?  ;) ;D

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: ?????????????????????? on 06/15/08 at 11:00 pm

This thread is just might get past gumby_fan's.

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: AL-B Mk. III on 06/16/08 at 11:41 pm


This thread is just might get past gumby_fan's.


NEVER!!!  >:( >:( >:(

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: Green Lantern on 06/17/08 at 1:03 am


This thread is just might get past gumby_fan's.



???


Whatever THAT might mean ?    ::)

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: bookmistress4ever on 06/17/08 at 1:23 am



???


Whatever THAT might mean ?    ::)


It's an old old (infamous) thread where a random teenager started a thread asking for everybody to send him money because his stupid mother wouldn't buy him an I-pod.    I'm too tired to search for it right now,maybe in a little bit.

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: Green Lantern on 06/17/08 at 2:57 am


It's an old old (infamous) thread where a random teenager started a thread asking for everybody to send him money because his stupid mother wouldn't buy him an I-pod.    I'm too tired to search for it right now,maybe in a little bit.



Well ... if our ? mark guest (can't be bothered to count) knows of that thread ............ suggests THEY could be a former member ?

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: Green Lantern on 06/17/08 at 3:14 am


This thread is just might get past gumby_fan's.


Or, alternatively ... they could be a CURRENT member ... here in 'alter ego' (?) .... amongst OTHER possibilities.

Well, if I can do it .........

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: bookmistress4ever on 06/17/08 at 5:01 am



Well ... if our ? mark guest (can't be bothered to count) knows of that thread ............ suggests THEY could be a former member ?


Here's the thread, it was actually not too hard to find after all

http://www.inthe00s.com/archive/inthe00s/smf/1113609852.shtml

It makes for an amusing (yet sad) read if you have nothing better to do.

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: Reynolds1863 on 06/17/08 at 8:25 am


It's an old old (infamous) thread where a random teenager started a thread asking for everybody to send him money because his stupid mother wouldn't buy him an I-pod.    I'm too tired to search for it right now,maybe in a little bit.


That's pretty lame.

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: Reynolds1863 on 06/17/08 at 8:29 am


Here's the thread, it was actually not too hard to find after all

http://www.inthe00s.com/archive/inthe00s/smf/1113609852.shtml

It makes for an amusing (yet sad) read if you have nothing better to do.


Too bad I can't post a response. http://www.inthe00s.com/smile/13/laughing7.gif  I like Cat's response telling him to go ask Bush.

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: Step-chan on 06/17/08 at 3:28 pm



Well ... if our ? mark guest (can't be bothered to count) knows of that thread ............ suggests THEY could be a former member ?


Or could be the gumby_fan himself. :D

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: bookmistress4ever on 06/17/08 at 3:41 pm


Too bad I can't post a response. http://www.inthe00s.com/smile/13/laughing7.gif  I like Cat's response telling him to go ask Bush.


Actually...you CAN respond, I linked to the wrong area.

Here is where you can read all 37 pages of response AND think of a reply yourself.

http://www.inthe00s.com/index.php?topic=9314.0

I wonder if he ever did get that I-pod or if he wants uh something more expensive now like an I-phone...  Maybe he grew up since then, it HAS been 3 years.  ;)

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: CatwomanofV on 06/18/08 at 2:59 pm


Poor man = bum
Poor woman = prostitute ;D



Um...I think most prostitutes get PAID for their services therefore they are working and making $$$ so they are NOT poor.



Cat

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: ?????????????????????? on 06/18/08 at 3:27 pm

We'll Drink and Drink and Drink and Drink and Drink and Drink and fight
We'll Drink and Drink and Drink and Drink and Drink and Drink and fight
And If I see a pretty girl I'll sleep with her tonight
Drink and Drink and Drink and Drink and Drink and Drink and fight

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: Step-chan on 06/18/08 at 5:35 pm

^ Umm... What?  ???

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: ?????????????????????? on 06/19/08 at 12:23 pm

Just felt like singing.

At least it isn't Decadeology.

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: AL-B Mk. III on 06/19/08 at 1:35 pm


Just felt like singing.

At least it isn't Decadeology.


NOOOOOOOOOOO!!! Not decadeology!!!

http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s78/AL-B_photos/arrrrrgh.gif

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: ?????????????????????? on 06/19/08 at 4:31 pm

But really, Decadeology Topics>>>>>>>>>>>>Women are better than Men Topics.

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: ?????????????????????? on 06/20/08 at 10:09 pm

So Won't the real Slim Shady Please Shut Up, Please Shut Up, Please Shut up.

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: CrazyDude on 06/24/08 at 5:31 pm

Let's keep this going!

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: Tia on 06/24/08 at 5:55 pm


Let's keep this going!
let's get this party started!

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: ?????????????????????? on 06/25/08 at 7:11 pm

This is better than emo.

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: MaxwellSmart on 06/25/08 at 10:29 pm

Stick a fork in it, it's done!
http://www.inthe00s.com/smile/11/confused3.gif

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: AL-B Mk. III on 06/25/08 at 11:16 pm


Stick a fork in it, it's done!
http://www.inthe00s.com/smile/11/confused3.gif


And...down goes Debbie!!!

http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s78/AL-B_photos/Do-not-feed-the-troll.png

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: bookmistress4ever on 06/25/08 at 11:20 pm

As if anything actually dies on this board!  Heck we're still talking about the kid that asked for money to buy an i-pod years later.  ;D

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: ?????????????????????? on 06/26/08 at 4:38 pm

Besides, like I said, this beats Emo and Decadeology.

Subject: Re: Women really are better than men. Here's why...

Written By: Reynolds1863 on 06/29/08 at 1:12 pm

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd293/MrsRoryWeasley/Other/Smilies/Millan%20Smilies/gaah.gif

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