You know how things can be controversial and generally disliked while it's occuring (especially music, technology, the way youth act, or just the state of the world in general), but gets regarded as "innocent" or at least "much better than today" when people look back on it in the following decades?

This is absolutely simple but I was just thinking....a big reason for that probably is because we know the outcome of anything controversial in the past. So since it's no longer considered a threat, we can say "ah it wasn't too bad after all". But when it's actually going on, nobody knows how it'll progress, which I think is why it worries people. Like it's obvious that the world didn't collapse by teenagers listening to Elvis (and just generally starting to have more fun) in the mid '50s, or watching MTV in 1983.

Does anyone agree with this? It just came to me, but it might make sense in relation to everything people have said over the years about this stuff.

Good point, Marty, and Karma +1. 

The sex, violence, and dissolution of any era seems like the end of the world when you're actually in it.  The way Tipper Gore was talking about MTV in 1985 (and I remember) you'd think it was the four horsemen of the apocalypse!  More to the point, people forget.  There was sex, violence, and dissolution in every era.  In the past it was more repressed, but it was there.  A director 50 years ago could not get a film distributed with profanity, nudity/sex, raunchy themes, or realistic violence in it...but there was plenty of all that in the country in 1958!

Things seem particularly nasty today with the Internet porn and the gang violence, but on the other hand, 50 years ago it was unthinkable that a black and a woman would be serious contenders for the presidency.

Agree with you there. ^

Back then things like that where repressed(which is why it didn't seem like there was much porn then... oh, there was... just harder to find).

I remember seeing something about when Elvis performed on TV(I forgot if it was Sullivan or not)... They only showed him from the waste up on camera... Just because they fought his dancing was risque.(Which is nothing compared to today... heck it didn't really look like anything obscene back then)

:D

You know how things can be controversial and generally disliked while it's occuring (especially music, technology, the way youth act, or just the state of the world in general), but gets regarded as "innocent" or at least "much better than today" when people look back on it in the following decades?

This is absolutely simple but I was just thinking....a big reason for that probably is because we know the outcome of anything controversial in the past. So since it's no longer considered a threat, we can say "ah it wasn't too bad after all". But when it's actually going on, nobody knows how it'll progress, which I think is why it worries people. Like it's obvious that the world didn't collapse by teenagers listening to Elvis (and just generally starting to have more fun) in the mid '50s, or watching MTV in 1983.

Does anyone agree with this? It just came to me, but it might make sense in relation to everything people have said over the years about this stuff.



Great point Marty. I have always thought that at least one part of what makes nostalgia so powerful, is the safety of the past, and knowing that things you though were terrible before really turned out to be 'no big deal'. To add to Max's point about the '50s, there was plenty of violence in the '50s and before, and that was also around the time that the Cold War really began, not to mention the fact that the Civil Rights movement began in earnest then, even if it didn't reach its apex until the '60s. Yet, the '50s are often considered to be an extremely 'innocent' time, and I'm sure to many they were, but just ask my grandparents about some of the things they saw here in the south around then, and it really changes your point of view.

I will admit that I fall into the same trap myself. The '90s, especially when I was really young in the late '80s and early '90s, always seem like such a more innocent time than today, but there were many problems then. Also, events later on in the '90s like the Oklahoma City bombing, the Olympic Park bombing not far from here in Atlanta, and the school shootings in the late '90s all effected me as a kid, but now that so many years have gone by, I've almost sort of forgotten how big of a deal they were at the time.

Agree with you there. ^

Back then things like that where repressed(which is why it didn't seem like there was much porn then... oh, there was... just harder to find).

I remember seeing something about when Elvis performed on TV(I forgot if it was Sullivan or not)... They only showed him from the waste up on camera... Just because they fought his dancing was risque.(Which is nothing compared to today... heck it didn't really look like anything obscene back then)

:D


That was Ed Sullivan indeed.  Not the decision of Ed himself, but the network.  

There is much more porn nowadays because its so cheap to make and distribute and girls work so cheap, just throw in the Internet and a liberal interpretation of the 1st Amendment and voila!

Smut mags were expensive and available only in certain corners of certain towns.  I'm talking hardcore stuff, not Playboy and Hustler;  stuff that's now just a mouse click away!

I agree with everyone so far. I'll have to go into more detail later, but I agree it's really a tradeoff as far as the '50s and the first half of the '60s compared to anytime after, say the Vietnam War and the Summer of Love...which, for the next generation would correspond to, say 1982 to pre-September 11th 2001.

Both are the "more innocent" times for their era in relation to what came later, but especially with the Fifties, on the one hand, I believe people (especially who were kids then) consider it to be innocent because of being more shielded from the negative aspects. It's true you didn't really hear about people smoking drugs and there wasn't "wild and crazy" music like Jimi Hendrix and it had a more family-oriented, quiet feeling. Yet on the other hand, in some ways it was far worse beneath the surface, with things like public racism and sexism still being tolerated.

That was Ed Sullivan indeed.  Not the decision of Ed himself, but the network.  

There is much more porn nowadays because its so cheap to make and distribute and girls work so cheap, just throw in the Internet and a liberal interpretation of the 1st Amendment and voila!

Smut mags were expensive and available only in certain corners of certain towns.  I'm talking hardcore stuff, not Playboy and Hustler;  stuff that's now just a mouse click away!


Stuff not unlike 2 Girls 1 Cup. :P :D

Heck, some of the ones who thought that Elvis's gyrating pelvis was bad just need to see that one and they'll change their mind. :D

Stuff not unlike 2 Girls 1 Cup. :P :D

Heck, some of the ones who thought that Elvis's gyrating pelvis was bad just need to see that one and they'll change their mind. :D

Elvis the Pelivs had a little brother named Enos who was popular at dances.
:P

This is very true.  Throughout history, one can see a cycle.  The older people bemoan the state of affairs in the world and complain about the youth.  Then the youth grow up and start bemoaning the state of affairs in their world and complaining about the new generation of youth.  

I think that knowing the outcome, as you said, is a key part of why we view the past as innocent.  I'll use the 60s and 70s as examples of this.  At the time in the 60s, it seemed like America was coming apart to many people.  The questioning of age-old values, the sexual revolution, the unwinnable war of Vietnam, and a newly rebellious and socially concious youth coming of age were all things that people bemoaned in the 60s.  However, now, many of these elements (the rebellious youth, sexual revolution, questioning age-old values) are seen in a more positive light and even seem to be romanticized by some people (including myself, I must admit, although I dislike how the politically involved anti-war boomers seemed to sell out in the 80s and become yuppies).

The 1970s were a dark time that seemed impossible to romanticize and make the 00s situation look like a picnic.  An exploding divorce rate, violent crime rates higher than they were in the 90s or 00s, a seemingly decade long recession complete with gas shortages (even rationing), Watergate, and the continuation and eventual loss of Vietnam.  It was just total disillusionment.  I even saw a book from 1980 about the 70s that called it "the decade America lost faith in everything."  It's no coincidence that nostalgia first started to become mainstream in the 70s (look at all the 50s nostalgia - Happy Days, Grease, etc.).  However, most people I know who grew up in the 70s neglect to remember these facts.  For them, its all about disco, Star Wars, Happy Days, and stuff like that.

We sort of gloss over the bad when remembering things.  I think that, as you said, knowing the outcome is partially a result of this, although I think people in general tend to gloss over the bad things, especially if they're remembering something from their youth.  Look at how many people romanticize high school as being "the best years of your life" when I knew plenty of people who hated high school when they were actually in it.  They just forgot the bad, or at least tend to put it in the back of minds rather than having it front and center, in favor of the good.

Yes...collective hindsight is a wonderful thing.......

The 1970's were not "innocent" as far as porno and local newspapers were concerned.

Back in '72 through '77, you could pick up any local newspaper and see full-page ads for the latest porno movie, such as "Flesh Gordon", "Deep Throat", "Tell Them Johnny Wadd is Here", or the classic "Behind the Green Door", featuring the Ivory Snow Girl.

Porn stars like Linda Lovelace, Harry Reems, John C Holmes, and Tony "The Hook" Perez were common household names back then.

Can you imagine picking up a newpaper with that kind of stuff advertised today?

The 1970's were not "innocent" as far as porno and local newspapers were concerned.

Back in '72 through '77, you could pick up any local newspaper and see full-page ads for the latest porno movie, such as "Flesh Gordon", "Deep Throat", "Tell Them Johnny Wadd is Here", or the classic "Behind the Green Door", featuring the Ivory Snow Girl.

Porn stars like Linda Lovelace, Harry Reems, John C Holmes, and Tony "The Hook" Perez were common household names back then.

Can you imagine picking up a newpaper with that kind of stuff advertised today?


Yes..but to see them you had to catch three trains and a bus (from memory) and then show ID to prove you were over 21 (and then 18 later). Now you can see all of that (and a lot more) without ever leaving the home.....

The 1970's were not "innocent" as far as porno and local newspapers were concerned.

Back in '72 through '77, you could pick up any local newspaper and see full-page ads for the latest porno movie, such as "Flesh Gordon", "Deep Throat", "Tell Them Johnny Wadd is Here", or the classic "Behind the Green Door", featuring the Ivory Snow Girl.

Porn stars like Linda Lovelace, Harry Reems, John C Holmes, and Tony "The Hook" Perez were common household names back then.

Can you imagine picking up a newpaper with that kind of stuff advertised today?


What?  Where do you get this?  ??? No, you could not pick up any local paper and see full page ads for porno, and Lovelace, Reems, and Perez were not in any way common household names. There were specific newspapers(one or two), usually in large cities with large a huge student population that would have these papers. 99% of the population probably never set eyes on them, and anyone who did had to make an effort to get them.

This is very true.  Throughout history, one can see a cycle.  The older people bemoan the state of affairs in the world and complain about the youth.  Then the youth grow up and start bemoaning the state of affairs in their world and complaining about the new generation of youth. 

I think that knowing the outcome, as you said, is a key part of why we view the past as innocent.  I'll use the 60s and 70s as examples of this.  At the time in the 60s, it seemed like America was coming apart to many people.  The questioning of age-old values, the sexual revolution, the unwinnable war of Vietnam, and a newly rebellious and socially concious youth coming of age were all things that people bemoaned in the 60s.  However, now, many of these elements (the rebellious youth, sexual revolution, questioning age-old values) are seen in a more positive light and even seem to be romanticized by some people (including myself, I must admit, although I dislike how the politically involved anti-war boomers seemed to sell out in the 80s and become yuppies).

The 1970s were a dark time that seemed impossible to romanticize and make the 00s situation look like a picnic.  An exploding divorce rate, violent crime rates higher than they were in the 90s or 00s, a seemingly decade long recession complete with gas shortages (even rationing), Watergate, and the continuation and eventual loss of Vietnam.  It was just total disillusionment.  I even saw a book from 1980 about the 70s that called it "the decade America lost faith in everything."  It's no coincidence that nostalgia first started to become mainstream in the 70s (look at all the 50s nostalgia - Happy Days, Grease, etc.).  However, most people I know who grew up in the 70s neglect to remember these facts.  For them, its all about disco, Star Wars, Happy Days, and stuff like that.

We sort of gloss over the bad when remembering things.  I think that, as you said, knowing the outcome is partially a result of this, although I think people in general tend to gloss over the bad things, especially if they're remembering something from their youth.  Look at how many people romanticize high school as being "the best years of your life" when I knew plenty of people who hated high school when they were actually in it.  They just forgot the bad, or at least tend to put it in the back of minds rather than having it front and center, in favor of the good.



I agree. The '60s and '70s were not only far from 'innocent', they were probably two of the most turbulent decades in American history.

Elvis the Pelivs had a little brother named Enos who was popular at dances.
:P


LMAO!  ;D ;D ;D

(+1 karma to Max)

What?  Where do you get this?   ??? No, you could not pick up any local paper and see full page ads for porno, and Lovelace, Reems, and Perez were not in any way common household names. There were specific newspapers(one or two), usually in large cities with large a huge student population that would have these papers. 99% of the population probably never set eyes on them, and anyone who did had to make an effort to get them.


Well where I live (Pittsburgh PA area) all the local papers carried these ads... that oncludes the Pittsburgh Post Gazette, the now-defunct Pittsbirgh Press, and the Beaver County Times.  Lovelace and Reems were big names in porno 'round these parts, ever since their movie "Deep Throat" made the scene in 1972.  :P

Behind the Green Door... This movie was shown ON CAMPUS when I was going to Penn State along with "The Devil in Miss Jones".  :o

So in my part of the world... porno was indeed widely advertised in the newspapers.  The biggest local venue was a drive-in theatre called The Dependable, and there was also a porn district back then in Pittsburgh along Liberty Avenue (which has since been legislated out of existence).

I remember when I was a kid, one of the theatres always ran an ad, promoting the "all male action" in their movies.  For a really long time I thought these were Army flicks until somebody told me what "all male action" really was.  :-[

This is very true.  Throughout history, one can see a cycle.  The older people bemoan the state of affairs in the world and complain about the youth.  Then the youth grow up and start bemoaning the state of affairs in their world and complaining about the new generation of youth.  

I think that knowing the outcome, as you said, is a key part of why we view the past as innocent.  I'll use the 60s and 70s as examples of this.  At the time in the 60s, it seemed like America was coming apart to many people.  The questioning of age-old values, the sexual revolution, the unwinnable war of Vietnam, and a newly rebellious and socially concious youth coming of age were all things that people bemoaned in the 60s.  However, now, many of these elements (the rebellious youth, sexual revolution, questioning age-old values) are seen in a more positive light and even seem to be romanticized by some people (including myself, I must admit, although I dislike how the politically involved anti-war boomers seemed to sell out in the 80s and become yuppies).

The 1970s were a dark time that seemed impossible to romanticize and make the 00s situation look like a picnic.  An exploding divorce rate, violent crime rates higher than they were in the 90s or 00s, a seemingly decade long recession complete with gas shortages (even rationing), Watergate, and the continuation and eventual loss of Vietnam.  It was just total disillusionment.  I even saw a book from 1980 about the 70s that called it "the decade America lost faith in everything."  It's no coincidence that nostalgia first started to become mainstream in the 70s (look at all the 50s nostalgia - Happy Days, Grease, etc.).  However, most people I know who grew up in the 70s neglect to remember these facts.  For them, its all about disco, Star Wars, Happy Days, and stuff like that.

We sort of gloss over the bad when remembering things.  I think that, as you said, knowing the outcome is partially a result of this, although I think people in general tend to gloss over the bad things, especially if they're remembering something from their youth.  Look at how many people romanticize high school as being "the best years of your life" when I knew plenty of people who hated high school when they were actually in it.  They just forgot the bad, or at least tend to put it in the back of minds rather than having it front and center, in favor of the good.


  From my own experience, and to the best of my recollection, comes to ethics, morals, &etc. I think I was expected to know about these already for some reason.  It was a kind of "hands off" policy.  The situation reminds me of the warden's line in The Shawshank Redemption to the new inmates, "Rule Number One: No blasphemy.  I'll not have the Lord's name taken in vain in my prison.  The other rules you'll figure out as you go along..."

  The 70s were about parental experimentation and some of the best selling books were "Ourselves and our Children" ("Ourselves" coming before "Our Children") where parents are encouraged to:

        ~"Consider yourself first..."
        ~"Benefitting our children is not necessarily our first motivation..."

  New Realism Movement.  Determinism.  Zero Population Growth Movement, blah, blah, blah.  Experimentation...

  People don't realize how screwed things were until they're old enough, or interested enough, to look back on them with a little curiosity.  But give me my chocolate coated sugarbombs and my cartoons and I was good to go... ;D



 

As far as past times being "more innocent," well, just look at the 1920's and 30's during Prohibition. As a matter-of-fact, think about the whole idea behind Prohibition in the first place. Apparently after World War I, there was such an perceived decline in morality that enough people in high places deemed it necessary to outlaw the consumption of alcohol. And all Prohibition really accomplished in the end was to allow the rapid rise of organized crime and a dramatic increase in gang-related violence, particularly in Chicago.

Not to mention that there was also a large public outcry due to the perceived immorality of Hollywood in the 1920's (triggered in large part by the Fatty Arbuckle scandal) that culminated in the Hollywood Production Code (also known as the Hays Code) of 1930, which heavily censored motion pictures and ultimately wasn't abandoned until 1968, when the MPAA adopted a new rating system.

Throughout human history there has always been a demand for vice, whether they be mind-altering substances, gambling, or sexual gratification in one form or another, and there's no shortage of passages in the Bible that address those very things (Sodom and Gomorrah, for example). As far as people believing that past times were "more innocent," I can't help but think that this belief may very well have also been a common theme throughout human history as well. For example, as the Roman Empire fell into decline and decadence during its waning years, it's not hard to imagine that there was no shortage of Romans wishing out loud that they had been alive during "the good old days."  ;)

I kind of understand this sentiment, and in a predominanately Protestant country like the US, I'll even include the UK as well, even though it's in Europe, you kind of would expect that. And I kind of feel that way. Music 20 years ago was MORE innocent that the stuff out there today.

The real difference is technology and not so much an increased or decreased amount of profane material. It goes up and down - the 70's and 90's had a lot of violent films and TV, the 50's, 60's and 80's didn't. actual crime rates were low in the late 90's and early 00's even though the media was filthy then. i think with cable and the net etc, it's just possible to have shows like South Park now - it wasn't really even possible until the 80s for something like that to get so popular.

Cause back then you didn't have all this security,that's why back then it was considered an "innocent era".

I kind of understand this sentiment, and in a predominanately Protestant country like the US, I'll even include the UK as well, even though it's in Europe, you kind of would expect that. And I kind of feel that way. Music 20 years ago was MORE innocent that the stuff out there today.


I would disagree.  20 years ago we were entering the early 90s and in my opinion music and culture in general pushed the morality envelope during that era far more than it does today.  It was in the 90s that it became commonplace to hear expletives in mainstream music and on popular sitcom TV.  You had very little of that in the '80s.  That culture continued into the late '90s until 2001 when it seemed culture became more conservative.  I guess the more conservative tone of our country during the Bush years was reflected in popular culture.  Hip-hop, rock, dance, etc are all far more innocent now than they were in 2000 for instance.  Just look at the stuff Eminem is putting out today vs what he was putting out in 2000.  Huge difference.  I think now, with artists like Lady Gaga, we are entering another liberal cultural age where the envelope will be pushed, though this time I think it will be sexual content rather than violence/rebellion/profanity as it was in the '90s. 

The early 90's(1990-1991) had alot of innocent music like "Rush, Rush" by Paula Abdul,  I'll Give All My Love To You by Keith Sweat, "Vision of Love" and "I Don;t Wanna Cry" by Mariah Carey, "More Than Words" by Extreme, "The First Time" by Surface, "Baby, Baby" by Amy Grant, and dance music like "C&C Music Factory and "Black Box". Even a group like :The Scorpions who had a hit in 1983 with the hard hitting "Rock You Like A Hurricane": did a soft song like "Wind Of Change".

I would disagree.  20 years ago we were entering the early 90s and in my opinion music and culture in general pushed the morality envelope during that era far more than it does today.  It was in the 90s that it became commonplace to hear expletives in mainstream music and on popular sitcom TV.  You had very little of that in the '80s.  That culture continued into the late '90s until 2001 when it seemed culture became more conservative.  I guess the more conservative tone of our country during the Bush years was reflected in popular culture.  Hip-hop, rock, dance, etc are all far more innocent now than they were in 2000 for instance.  Just look at the stuff Eminem is putting out today vs what he was putting out in 2000.  Huge difference.  I think now, with artists like Lady Gaga, we are entering another liberal cultural age where the envelope will be pushed, though this time I think it will be sexual content rather than violence/rebellion/profanity as it was in the '90s. 


Yeah the 90's was "in your face gory", like South Park. I think culture became more conservative in 2001 because of 911. And I mean, really, look at the rappers of today compared to the 90's gangsta rap era, way more violence and profanity. Hip hop has slowly been moving away from the gangsta influence that was so dominate from 1992 to around 2005. 2010 does seem kind of sleazy though and we probably are beginning a liberal age with Lady Gaga's antics, President Obama, and the fading memory of 911.

I would disagree.  20 years ago we were entering the early 90s and in my opinion music and culture in general pushed the morality envelope during that era far more than it does today.  It was in the 90s that it became commonplace to hear expletives in mainstream music and on popular sitcom TV.  You had very little of that in the '80s.  That culture continued into the late '90s until 2001 when it seemed culture became more conservative.  I guess the more conservative tone of our country during the Bush years was reflected in popular culture.  Hip-hop, rock, dance, etc are all far more innocent now than they were in 2000 for instance.  Just look at the stuff Eminem is putting out today vs what he was putting out in 2000.  Huge difference.  I think now, with artists like Lady Gaga, we are entering another liberal cultural age where the envelope will be pushed, though this time I think it will be sexual content rather than violence/rebellion/profanity as it was in the '90s. 


Agreed.  Music from the 90s was very depressing, and most of the TV programming was all about Trash Entertainment.  There was a huge difference between what 1991 was and what 1996 was IMO.

The 90s was actually pretty awesome. I like it a lot more now than I did when it actually was the 90s. The pop culture was more envelope pushing yes, but I've started to see it's kind of always been like that, just not as in your face. Even Stand By Me has a lot of f words and such.

Agreed.  Music from the 90s was very depressing, and most of the TV programming was all about Trash Entertainment.  There was a huge difference between what 1991 was and what 1996 was IMO.


back in the 80's you had pure family entertainment liike The Cosby Show,Family Ties,Silver Spoons and Different Strokes,Today you have Trash TV.  :P

Damn, I never knew how raunchy the 90's was until you guys pointed it out!

back in the 80's you had pure family entertainment liike The Cosby Show,Family Ties,Silver Spoons and Different Strokes,Today you have Trash TV.  :P


You also had the birth of modern trash TV with "Inside Edition," "A Current Affair," "Hard Copy," "Geraldo" all starting in the late '80s.  In fact, "Inside Edition" was Bill O'Reilly's big breakthrough.  When the Fairness Doctrine was abandoned in 1987, broadcast news rapidly deteriorated into "infotainment."  The coinage "infotainment" had been around for 10 years before media critics popularized it for the new tabloid style shows, which featured less hard news and news analysis and more sensationalism, celebrity gossip, "human interest stories," and partisan panelists screaming at one another.  We used to call the "McLaughlin Group," "Crossfire," and such, "shout shows." 

You don't hear the word "infotainment" much anymore because that's all there is on commercial broadcasting.  There's no longer a frame of reference.
::)

Damn, I never knew how raunchy the 90's was until you guys pointed it out!




Now we have sex,violence,raunchiness,cursed out,women in string bikinis selling products,gays and lesbians coming out,That's pretty raunchy.

Agreed.  Music from the 90s was very depressing, and most of the TV programming was all about Trash Entertainment.  There was a huge difference between what 1991 was and what 1996 was IMO.
Oh please there was sitcoms in the 90's just like in the 80's. Yeah the 90's did have its trash I admit but it had its innocent stiff just like the 80's.

Now we have sex,violence,raunchiness,cursed out,women in string bikinis selling products,gays and lesbians coming out,That's pretty raunchy.


Speaking of sex; Wasn't the 70's and 80's the golden age of porn videos? Lol.

Speaking of sex; Wasn't the 70's and 80's the golden age of porn videos? Lol.


Yes.  Now all you need is an iPhone!

Yes.  Now all you need is an iPhone!



Whoa!..I didn't know that. I'm gonna go on my iPhone now!  ;D

Speaking of sex; Wasn't the 70's and 80's the golden age of porn videos? Lol.


Jeez,don't get me started on that subject.  ::)

Whoa!..I didn't know that. I'm gonna go on my iPhone now!  ;D


If you're a dude, don't upload pics of yourself doing that!
8-P

If you're a dude, don't upload pics of yourself doing that!
8-P


I am a dude. An obese 21 year old dude! 

Don't worry I won't do such a thing to anyone; it'll traumatize them!  ;D
Of course I was just kidding.

If you're a dude, don't upload pics of yourself doing that!
8-P



unless you're Ron Jeremy. ;D

unless you're Ron Jeremy. ;D


Nooo thanks! You can have Ron's upload all to yourself, Howard!
:o

Nooo thanks! You can have Ron's upload all to yourself, Howard!
:o


Hey,Ron was the man back then,he just loved "carpet".  ;)

Hey,Ron was the man back then,he just loved "carpet".  ;)


Yeah, back then!
8-P

Yeah, back then!
8-P


No one believed in shaving at that time,It was the late 70's a time to be free let your hair down.

I think everyone has their own personal 'innocent' era.

Mine will always be the 90's and 00's. The 10's will be all about me growing up!  :)

I think there was less security back then but today we have more police than ever.

I think there was less security back then but today we have more police than ever.


I guess the more people there are in this world which means the more probability for crime and chaos, thus more police. Just a theory; I might be wrong.  :o

I guess the more people there are in this world which means the more probability for crime and chaos, thus more police. Just a theory; I might be wrong.  :o


You didn't see police and security hanging around in the late 70's early 80's on trains and buses.

I guess the more people there are in this world which means the more probability for crime and chaos, thus more police. Just a theory; I might be wrong.  :o


"The policemen are not here to create disorder.  They are here to preserve disorder."
  - Richard J. Daley, Mayor of Chicago, during the riots of 1968.  Emphasis in original. 

It was before I was born, it was just a gaffe, but it turned out he was more right than he could possibly have imagined.

"The policemen are not here to create disorder.  They are here to preserve disorder."
  - Richard J. Daley, Mayor of Chicago, during the riots of 1968.  Emphasis in original. 

It was before I was born, it was just a gaffe, but it turned out he was more right than he could possibly have imagined.


Whoa, the late 60s was one chaotic, but revolutionary time! I like the quote.

"The policemen are not here to create disorder.  They are here to preserve disorder."
  - Richard J. Daley, Mayor of Chicago, during the riots of 1968.  Emphasis in original. 

It was before I was born, it was just a gaffe, but it turned out he was more right than he could possibly have imagined.


Hey Foo,Were you around at that time? ???

"The policemen are not here to create disorder.  They are here to preserve disorder."
  - Richard J. Daley, Mayor of Chicago, during the riots of 1968.  Emphasis in original. 

It was before I was born, it was just a gaffe, but it turned out he was more right than he could possibly have imagined.


I remember Daley. I remember the riots.  He was right about preserving, but the also created it, too.

Hey Foo,Were you around at that time? ???


  Foo Foo said it was before he was born.  Must have been exiting times.  While ripping-up the pavement, built on a layer of sand, to hurl at the police a hopeful cry goes out, "Sous les pavés la plage!!" ("Through the pavement to the beach!")...

"The policemen are not here to create disorder.  They are here to preserve disorder."
  - Richard J. Daley, Mayor of Chicago, during the riots of 1968.  Emphasis in original. 

It was before I was born, it was just a gaffe, but it turned out he was more right than he could possibly have imagined.


Dan Quayle
Al Haig
both Bushes
Sarah Palin
Bernard Kerik

They've all get something in common.  They operate from their reptilian brain stem. 
::)

BTW, In those other Mayor Daley films, he's not shouting "faker" or "vacuum," "he's yelling  F---  you!"

I remember Daley. I remember the riots.  He was right about preserving, but the also created it, too.
There was the Newark, New Jersey riots too I think in the 60's. My mom grew up in Newark but she was out of the country at the time of the Newark riots.

Don't forget Watts and Detroit.  A whole bunch of cities went up in flames. 

BUT

As our pal Strom Thrumond said at the time:

"Them's just nigruhs!"

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