so Brittney little 16 year old sister is pregnant.... this is found on yahoo http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071219/ap_on_en_tv/people_jamie_lynn_spears
http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20071219/capt.14e950fad50044ab90d5922a22ace34b.people_jamie_lynn_spears_la201.jpg?x=180&y=240&sig=3qd95MsjfgyVyP0UNrRmIg--

NEW YORK - Another Spears baby is reportedly on the way — and it's not Britney's. Jamie Lynn Spears, the 16-year-old "Zoey 101" star and sister of Britney, told OK! magazine that she's pregnant and that the father is her boyfriend, Casey Aldridge.
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"It was a shock for both of us, so unexpected," she said. "I was in complete and total shock and so was he."

Spears is 12 weeks along and initially kept the news to herself when she learned of the pregnancy from an at-home test and subsequent doctor visit, she told the celebrity magazine, which hits stands in New York on Wednesday and the rest of the country by Friday.

What message does she want to send to other teens about premarital sex? "I definitely don't think it's something you should do; it's better to wait," she told the magazine. "But I can't be judgmental because it's a position I put myself in."

After she found out from a doctor that she was pregnant, she said, "I took two weeks to myself where I didn't tell anybody."

"Only one of my friends knew because I needed to work out what I would do for myself before I let anyone's opinion affect my decision. Then I told my parents and my friends. I was scared, but I had to do what was right for me," she said.

Spears broke the news to her mother, Lynne, just before Thanksgiving, the magazine reported.

"She was very upset because it wasn't what she expected at all," Spears said. "A week after, she had time to cope with it and became very supportive."

Lynne Spears, already grandmother to Britney's young sons, told the magazine: "I didn't believe it because Jamie Lynn's always been so conscientious. She's never late for her curfew. I was in shock. I mean, this is my 16-year-old baby."

She said her actress daughter, the telegenic heroine of her popular Nickelodeon series, has known Aldridge for years and began dating him in high school.

But in a recent interview with The Associated Press, Spears said she had no steady boyfriend. "I kind of just keep my options open," she said. "I have a bunch of friends that I always hang out with, a bunch of guy friends." She declined to talk about her older sister.

Spears spoke to the AP shortly before Thanksgiving, the day she told OK! she informed her mother about the pregnancy.

Jamie Lynn plans to raise the baby in her home state of Louisiana — "so it can have a normal family life."

Nickelodeon released a statement: "We respect Jamie Lynn's decision to take responsibility in this sensitive and personal situation. We know this is a very difficult time for her and her family, and our primary concern right now is for Jamie Lynn's well being."

A publicist for the network did not immediately respond to phone and e-mail requests for additional comment.

"Zoey 101" is scheduled to conclude its third season Jan. 4 with a cliffhanger episode in which Spears' character must decide whether to leave her fictional Pacific Coast Academy boarding school in California to join her parents in London.

The show is scheduled to resume in February, and its producer, Dan Schneider, has said filming on the fourth season has already been completed.

I've heard of wanting to be like your big sis, but this is ridiculous.  Will she too flash her hot spot, shave her head, and go psycho with an umbrella? LOL

Reading her interview, it sounds like she has a much better head on her shoulders than her sister does. It doesn't have to be a bad thing.

it sounds like she has a much better head on her shoulders than her sister does.


If she did, maybe she would not exactly be in this predicament...  :P

If she did, maybe she would not exactly be in this predicament...   :P



I'm not saying that it was a good decision for her to have sex at 16-years-old, it obviously wasn't. However, think of the role models in her life. I'm sure that plays at least some part in it. Plus, things happen, I guess, and she might have thought she was being smart, but protection doesn't always live up to it's full potential.


I think it could be a lot worse, honestly. My friend had a child at a young age, and it totally caused her to make a change for the better. She's not throwing her baby around, or leaving him/her in the car while she goes shopping yet, so I'm not about to judge her this early. So far, she's acting much more mature than her sister has been.


Everyone has made mistakes in their lives, so what gives me the right to look down on another person for making one, as well? Alas, I guess not everyone can be as perfect as you, Lyricboy  ::).

I told my daughter about this and her exact words ' I thought she was suppose to be the good one" We all know things like this happen,but when one is in the public eye and millions of teenage girls adore you, common sense and precautions should have taken place. As a mother I know it's hard when your daughter gets that age,last year when her father worked the midnight shift I let my daughter go to a friends house,I found out months later they snuck out of that house and went to visit some boys and lost her virginity,needless to say her father & I were devasted, we tried to get the boy arrested (He was 20 & she was 14) but too much time had passed,and when the police set up phone conversations he would not even talk about it. There is some good news ,we just found out he is in jail for breaking into houses,so hopefully he will due some time.

There is some good news, we just found out he is in jail for breaking into houses,so hopefully he will due some time.




I'd have paid someone to do some bitch slapping on him.

so Brittney little 16 year old sister is pregnant.... this is found on yahoo http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071219/ap_on_en_tv/people_jamie_lynn_spears
http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20071219/capt.14e950fad50044ab90d5922a22ace34b.people_jamie_lynn_spears_la201.jpg?x=180&y=240&sig=3qd95MsjfgyVyP0UNrRmIg--

"Lynne Spears, already grandmother to Britney's young sons, told the magazine: "I didn't believe it because Jamie Lynn's always been so conscientious. She's never late for her curfew. I was in shock. I mean, this is my 16-year-old baby."


Thats just it she's a young woman now not a baby. Just because she was never late for curfew doesn't have anything to do with sex.

Honestly, I was thinking about this some more last night, and Beth has it right. It happened, she's knocked up, and she seems to be taking responsibility for her actions. I'm not usually one to defend stars, but this is out and out ridiculous. I've seen on some sites people calling her a slut and a whore. Come on! If she were Jamie Lynn Nobody from Louisiana, no one would give a rip. She's just be another statistic. As far as her role model status....well, that's up to the parents to say, "Yes, she made a mistake and now she's taking responsibility for it." Then, you know, maybe explain the consequences of having sex at that age, even while using protection. It is an unfortunate thing that people will have to explain this to their daughters, but it's way better than them going out and repeating her mistakes and then saying, "Well, Jamie Lynn did it."

It does beg the question though.....how looney is Britney going to get because she's no longer in the spotlight? :o

Prego's ???

Italian restaurant,anyone?

"She was never late for her curfew..."  How long does Mrs. Spears think it takes to get pregnant?  ;D

Prego's ???

Italian restaurant,anyone?



I was thinking, She's spaghetti sauce?

http://www.rootsweb.com/~njcamden/prego.jpg



Cat

I'd have paid someone to do some bitch slapping on him.

We had to restrain my husband from going over to his house and kicking his ass in.

Reading her interview, it sounds like she has a much better head on her shoulders than her sister does.



If she did, maybe she would not exactly be in this predicament...   :P



Everyone has made mistakes in their lives, so what gives me the right to look down on another person for making one, as well? Alas, I guess not everyone can be as perfect as you, Lyricboy  ::).


Midnight, read my post again.  I think my humour went right over your head...  ;)

Honestly, I was thinking about this some more last night, and Beth has it right. It happened, she's knocked up, and she seems to be taking responsibility for her actions. I'm not usually one to defend stars, but this is out and out ridiculous. I've seen on some sites people calling her a slut and a whore. Come on! If she were Jamie Lynn Nobody from Louisiana, no one would give a rip. She's just be another statistic. As far as her role model status....well, that's up to the parents to say, "Yes, she made a mistake and now she's taking responsibility for it." Then, you know, maybe explain the consequences of having sex at that age, even while using protection. It is an unfortunate thing that people will have to explain this to their daughters, but it's way better than them going out and repeating her mistakes and then saying, "Well, Jamie Lynn did it."

It does beg the question though.....how looney is Britney going to get because she's no longer in the spotlight? :o


I'm with you on this, Jess.  I have heard everything from slut to trailer trash.  Just because she is 16 and pregnant doesn't mean she is like her sister.  All she has to do is watch how Brit is with her boys and do the opposite and she will be a great mother.

Midnight, read my post again.  I think my humour went right over your head...   ;)



It's not that it went over my head. I just never thought you were very funny.

What message does she want to send to other teens about premarital sex? "I definitely don't think it's something you should do; it's better to wait," she told the magazine. "But I can't be judgmental because it's a position I put myself in."

why is it every pregnant teen says this afterwards...i think its simple if you 'don't think you should do it' then don't!!

What message does she want to send to other teens about premarital sex? "I definitely don't think it's something you should do; it's better to wait," she told the magazine. "But I can't be judgmental because it's a position I put myself in."

why is it every pregnant teen says this afterwards...i think its simple if you 'don't think you should do it' then don't!!



THAT'S the million dollar prize winning question...tie that into whenever a gruesome criminal is brought into court and asked WHY he did it, they always say- 'I WASN'T THINKIN' RIGHT' or 'I WASN'T IN MY RIGHT MIND AT THE TIME'...so let's fry those guys and say the same thing...save onthe criminal containment!

Give your kid a name like a porn star and whatd'ya expect?     I wonder how many 16 year old girls got pregnant in 2007? and this one makes the headlines. Oh well, exploitation goes with the territory, and face it, she and the boy/father of the embryo made a huge mistake that will alter their lives. Didn't Sarah Silverman call Britney's kids mistakes?  ???  well, Jamie Lynn's really is.   So here is a case where neither abstinence or contraceptives were used. well, stupid is as stupid does & that goes for both horny kids. I can't chastise too much because I wasn't much smarter when I was that age. well, I was a little bit smarter, but not much.  ;D

All the invective is aimed at a 16 years old who has been manipulated by everyone around her.  She should be left alone entirely and if there is any invective to be spewed it should be aimed at the adults.  Continuing with the double standard, I would bet the father-to-be has been returning high-fives all around.

It's not that it went over my head. I just never thought you were very funny.


Well that certainly would explain the Darkness... ;D

once again i think its a shame this is a girl who had become a role model to many kids and now what...now she is having a baby-is she going to continue to tape her show for Nickelodeon, a channel that million of kids watch-they are going to start thinking having a baby while in 10th grade is the cool thing to do...don't get me wrong i hope all will work out, but at the same rime would not be shocked if it didn't however why must the new shove this around for the kids to see...i don't get the world...i think thats it...

once again i think its a shame this is a girl who had become a role model to many kids and now what...now she is having a baby-is she going to continue to tape her show for Nickelodeon, a channel that million of kids watch-they are going to start thinking having a baby while in 10th grade is the cool thing to do...don't get me wrong i hope all will work out, but at the same rime would not be shocked if it didn't however why must the new shove this around for the kids to see...i don't get the world...i think thats it...
Call me cynical, but personally I think a girl who would think it's great to have a baby at 16 just because her favourite actress did it is the one who would do it anyway.

Call me cynical, but personally I think a girl who would think it's great to have a baby at 16 just because her favourite actress did it is the one who would do it anyway.



Yes. t is just a matter of what excuse to use.

What message does she want to send to other teens about premarital sex? "I definitely don't think it's something you should do; it's better to wait," she told the magazine. "But I can't be judgmental because it's a position I put myself in."

why is it every pregnant teen says this afterwards...i think its simple if you 'don't think you should do it' then don't!!



I can't believe this. Everyone has made a mistake- several, actually. People make mistakes on a daily basis. When you say something you don't mean, when you do something you know isn't quite right, afterwards, your initial thought is "Wow, that was stupid of me.." You can't say that has never happened to you, whether it be a big, or small situation. It's how you handle the consequences that really shows what kind of person you are in the end.

Everyone is calling her a whore and a slut. If she would have never have gotten pregnant, no one would have known what she has been up to. So, who knows what everyone's daughters and sons are doing right now. They could be doing the same exact thing, but just haven't been caught yet. Even her mom said she never expected it. So, before anyone goes pointing fingers, know that anything can happen, so it's best not to judge anyone.

Everyone is calling her a whore and a slut. If she would have never have gotten pregnant, no one would have known what she has been up to. So, who knows what everyone's daughters and sons are doing right now. They could be doing the same exact thing, but just haven't been caught yet. Even her mom said she never expected it. So, before anyone goes pointing fingers, know that anything can happen, so it's best not to judge anyone.




People who engage in calling 16year olds those names are ignorant fools.

Everyone is calling her a whore and a slut. If she would have never have gotten pregnant, no one would have known what she has been up to. So, who knows what everyone's daughters and sons are doing right now. They could be doing the same exact thing, but just haven't been caught yet. Even her mom said she never expected it. So, before anyone goes pointing fingers, know that anything can happen, so it's best not to judge anyone.




I think this makes me the most angry at all the crap surrounding this.  It only takes one time to get pregnant, why do we assume slut just because she is 16 and pregnant.  I think it takes more than just being pregnant to be a slut. 

^And you will notice, as I said before, the invective is aimed at her.  Usually the people  who aim at the female with this crap are the kind who will also blame her and high five the guy involved.  I love the "she tricked him into getting her pregnant sh$t.  What?  He doesn't know how babies are made, and how to prevent it.  I'll bet dollars to donuts this guy will insist "doing the right thing".  (Better get a pre-nup.)

once again i think its a shame this is a girl who had become a role model to many kids and now what...now she is having a baby-is she going to continue to tape her show for Nickelodeon, a channel that million of kids watch-they are going to start thinking having a baby while in 10th grade is the cool thing to do...don't get me wrong i hope all will work out, but at the same rime would not be shocked if it didn't however why must the new shove this around for the kids to see...i don't get the world...i think thats it...
Come on, do you REALLY believe 10th graders will think this is cool?  You are responsible for yourself.  Period. Give the kid a break. 

once again i think its a shame this is a girl who had become a role model to many kids and now what...now she is having a baby-is she going to continue to tape her show for Nickelodeon, a channel that million of kids watch-they are going to start thinking having a baby while in 10th grade is the cool thing to do...don't get me wrong i hope all will work out, but at the same rime would not be shocked if it didn't however why must the new shove this around for the kids to see...i don't get the world...i think thats it...


I would say the show will be cancelled.  The role model crap doesn't hold. She is 16, for heavens sake, and should not have to carry the mantle of role model.

^And you will notice, as I said before, the invective is aimed at her.  Usually the people  who aim at the female with this crap are the kind who will also blame her and high five the guy involved.  I love the "she tricked him into getting her pregnant sh$t.  What?  He doesn't know how babies are made, and how to prevent it.  I'll bet dollars to donuts this guy will insist "doing the right thing".  (Better get a pre-nup.)


The latest thing I've read is that they're not seeing each other anymore. I don't know if this happened before or after she told him she was pregnant.

And now you've got all of his family and friends coming out and saying, "Well he's such a nice guy, blah blah blah blah...." I'm not really sure what that has to do with it though. It's not like he murdered someone. ::)

I agree with Danoota on this one, and I've said it before: you wanna blame someone? Blame her parents. It's not as if they exactly pushed for their kids to have normal lives. Now Britney might have already been a little weird in the head, but who will know now? And that bullsh*t about her mom writing a parenting book is laughable. One daughter is totally nutso from being thrust into the limelight and sexualized at a young age and the other is 16 and expecting a baby. Way to go guys!

Wasn't their mother the one who was writing the book about raising kids?  I heard the  book has been postponed indefinitely.  I think Jamie Lynn is a bit more level headed than Britney.  Who knows there may be a normal member of the Spears family yet.  As for her being 16, I went to school with girls who became pregnant at 16.  The only difference is Jamie Lynn is famous and appears on a kids TV show.

^And you will notice, as I said before, the invective is aimed at her.  Usually the people  who aim at the female with this crap are the kind who will also blame her and high five the guy involved.  I love the "she tricked him into getting her pregnant sh$t.  What?  He doesn't know how babies are made, and how to prevent it.  I'll bet dollars to donuts this guy will insist "doing the right thing".  (Better get a pre-nup.)


You are so right.  Even when I was in high school (and I am sure before) the girl was branded "easy" and the guy was cool because he "did it".  Ridiculous

I think they might still tape some of the show. (Before any signs start showing) Or they can make it some kind of Alien Wizzard or something.

Now c'mon 'all, who ya gonna believe, I just seen Brit on Tv and she said 'my sister ain't pregnant' when asked.

Or do we believe the magazine(to be nameless) that paid her $1,000,000 to give a story and have rights to show the first pictures of a kid of hers..

while now they are saying she broke up with her 'stud muffin', she'll have enough cash to raise it on her own or jump the next guys bones she meets...

all in the family I say.... :-\\

Now c'mon 'all, who ya gonna believe, I just seen Brit on Tv and she said 'my sister ain't pregnant' when asked.

Or do we believe the magazine(to be nameless) that paid her $1,000,000 to give a story and have rights to show the first pictures of a kid of hers..

while now they are saying she broke up with her 'stud muffin', she'll have enough cash to raise it on her own or jump the next guys bones she meets...

all in the family I say.... :-\\
Jump the next guys bones she meets?  Why, you  >:(  This just proves the point Danoota&Me was making.  I don't know how old you are, but grow up!

Me wonders how many of these critics actually have chilluns, and of those, how many actually have a vagina...and of those, how many can actually be called "good parents"...  ???

Me wonders how many of these critics actually have chilluns, and of those, how many actually have a vagina...and of those, how many can actually be called "good parents"...  ???
Well, with that criteria, I'd say about 2%.  It's ridiculous, really.

Now c'mon 'all, who ya gonna believe, I just seen Brit on Tv and she said 'my sister ain't pregnant' when asked.

Or do we believe the magazine(to be nameless) that paid her $1,000,000 to give a story and have rights to show the first pictures of a kid of hers..

while now they are saying she broke up with her 'stud muffin', she'll have enough cash to raise it on her own or jump the next guys bones she meets...

all in the family I say.... :-\\




It's not like she picked this guy up at a bar, and got impregnated the same night. She's been dating him for years. When you've been with someone for a long time, the lines you once drew can become a little bit blurred. Last time I checked, she WAS a human being.

Looks like it's time for me to once again drop everything I'm doing.

Because, unfortunately, a lot of 16 year-old girls get seem to get knocked up these days, but since this particular one just happens to be related to Britney Spears, I guess it's supposed to have some major impact on my life.

Looks like it's time for me to once again drop everything I'm doing.

Because, unfortunately, a lot of 16 year-old girls get seem to get knocked up these days, but since this particular one just happens to be related to Britney Spears, I guess it's supposed to have some major impact on my life.



I couldn't have said it better. Karma to you.



Cat

I couldn't have said it better. Karma to you.



Cat


Karma backatcha!  ;)

Looks like it's time for me to once again drop everything I'm doing.

Because, unfortunately, a lot of 16 year-old girls get seem to get knocked up these days, but since this particular one just happens to be related to Britney Spears, I guess it's supposed to have some major impact on my life.


Don't you see, if your 16 year old neighbor girl gets knocked up, how many other 16 yr. girls around the world who do the same will say: 'well, AL-B's neighbor had a kid at 16, no big deal'...

did you notice how Whoopi G. glossed over her famiy situation on the 'View'? They talked a little of the event and Whoopi basically said in my familys' case...etc..
but never mentioned how her 15 yr. old daughter had a kid.  It would've been good to hear how that was handled...

I guess it's supposed to have some major impact on my life.


Apparently it's having some major impact on saver, because he keeps posting about it. :D

Don't you see, if your 16 year old neighbor girl gets knocked up, how many other 16 yr. girls around the world who do the same will say: 'well, AL-B's neighbor had a kid at 16, no big deal'...

did you notice how Whoopi G. glossed over her famiy situation on the 'View'? They talked a little of the event and Whoopi basically said in my familys' case...etc..
but never mentioned how her 15 yr. old daughter had a kid.  It would've been good to hear how that was handled...



That has happened in celeb families more than they would like to admit.  Remember the Beach Boys.  Dennis Wilson knocked up Mike Loves 15 year old daughter,and they are cousins.  Then there is Jerry Lee Lewis marrying his 13 year old cousin, that move almost sent him into oblivion, but he went on.  None of this stuff is new or exciting.

Apparently it's having some major impact on saver, because he keeps posting about it. :D




Since this was a new thread, I jumped on, I guess I said what I needed on my original thread, but it was just to bring up for discussion...or we could go back to: Hey how about that Michael Jackson? Did you know the 'former kid actor' who played OLIVER is  MJ's kids godfather?

I guess MacCauley Culkin wasn't available. :o

Don't you see, if your 16 year old neighbor girl gets knocked up, how many other 16 yr. girls around the world who do the same will say: 'well, AL-B's neighbor had a kid at 16, no big deal'...

did you notice how Whoopi G. glossed over her famiy situation on the 'View'? They talked a little of the event and Whoopi basically said in my familys' case...etc..
but never mentioned how her 15 yr. old daughter had a kid.  It would've been good to hear how that was handled...

Do you know ANY 16 year old girls?  Have you met any, like ever?  I don't know ANY 16 year old who CHOSE to be a mother, never mind doing it because some other 16 year old did it, regardless of her popularity.  You have absolutely no idea what the hell you're talking about.

   Would you believe my ex and I became parents @ 15 and 16 y/o, respectively.  That's right, she was 14 y/o when I got her pregnant...

   Why?  For my part I was pretty much out of control at that age.  I mean out of control.  I was doing whatever I wanted whenever I wanted and felt I need answer to no one.  I was raised by my paternal grandparents for most of my life and my late grandfather was simply getting too old to keep on top of my hijinks and to drop the hammer on me when I needed it.  My father was still around on the fringes of my life but played no active part in raising me...

   Her, she had problems at home.  Remember the scene in The Breakfast Club where they're all sitting on the floor complaining about their parents?  That was her.   She had, as Ally Sheedy's character put it, "An unsatisfying home life."  She kept running away from home.  She used to talk of being molested and beaten by her father, I had serious doubts about that but I still have the stack of letters she wrote me while she was sitting in her bedroom.  We cut school, we partied, we got drunk, we got stoned.  She lived in our house for around two months before being discovered, using windows to enter and exit my room.  I used to sneak food to her.  She'd take showers at night while everyone was asleep.  They thought it was me.   It really was quite unbelievable.  She ran away so many times that her parents actually wrote her off as gone.  They moved..!

   Long story short, we got married five days before our son was born.  She had reconnected with her parents and younger brother and I enlisted in the military to support them...

   20+ years later, I'm still not sure where I'm at with the whole thing.  Everything happened incredibly fast and it just seemed too easy.  Be both needed...something.  Counseling?  A change of school?  A good kick in the ass might have went a long way in snapping me out of it...

   

   

Do you know ANY 16 year old girls?  Have you met any, like ever?  I don't know ANY 16 year old who CHOSE to be a mother, never mind doing it because some other 16 year old did it, regardless of her popularity.  You have absolutely no idea what the hell you're talking about.


I'm talking about AFTER the fact, I know of young teen mothers as well, and they sure grew up fast...or had to..luckily they had a good support system.

But after the fact, you hear some people rationalizing......using well-known names to support their beliefs that THEY can get through it because(celeb/model) did it...
and that's what I get sick of hearing, but then maybe I've heard it more than others?

do we need MORE education in this area teaching safe sex? Or teaching parents to talk with their children about this ahead of it all?

Do you know ANY 16 year old girls?  Have you met any, like ever?  I don't know ANY 16 year old who CHOSE to be a mother, never mind doing it because some other 16 year old did it, regardless of her popularity.  You have absolutely no idea what the hell you're talking about.

They p*ss and moan if 16-year-olds get pregnant.  They p*ss and moan if you distribute contraceptives to 16-year-olds.  They're the same people who p*ssed and moaned when thy were 16 years old....because they couldn't get laid!  Can't win.
:D

I'm talking about AFTER the fact, I know of young teen mothers as well, and they sure grew up fast...or had to..luckily they had a good support system.

But after the fact, you hear some people rationalizing......using well-known names to support their beliefs that THEY can get through it because(celeb/model) did it...
and that's what I get sick of hearing, but then maybe I've heard it more than others?

do we need MORE education in this area teaching safe sex? Or teaching parents to talk with their children about this ahead of it all?


You're still wrong.  Teenagers DO NOT envy a teenage mother, even if she is "getting through it".  Also, I think you're mistaking rationalization for support (which we can all agree an under-age parent will need).

Finally, to answer your question: education is the key to almost everything, but even armed with knowledge, safe sex is only as good as your contraception.

   Would you believe my ex and I became parents @ 15 and 16 y/o, respectively.  That's right, she was 14 y/o when I got her pregnant...

   Why?  For my part I was pretty much out of control at that age.  I mean out of control.  I was doing whatever I wanted whenever I wanted and felt I need answer to no one.  I was raised by my paternal grandparents for most of my life and my late grandfather was simply getting too old to keep on top of my hijinks and to drop the hammer on me when I needed it.  My father was still around on the fringes of my life but played no active part in raising me...

   Her, she had problems at home.  Remember the scene in The Breakfast Club where they're all sitting on the floor complaining about their parents?  That was her.   She had, as Ally Sheedy's character put it, "An unsatisfying home life."  She kept running away from home.  She used to talk of being molested and beaten by her father, I had serious doubts about that but I still have the stack of letters she wrote me while she was sitting in her bedroom.  We cut school, we partied, we got drunk, we got stoned.  She lived in our house for around two months before being discovered, using windows to enter and exit my room.  I used to sneak food to her.  She'd take showers at night while everyone was asleep.  They thought it was me.   It really was quite unbelievable.  She ran away so many times that her parents actually wrote her off as gone.  They moved..!

   Long story short, we got married five days before our son was born.  She had reconnected with her parents and younger brother and I enlisted in the military to support them...

   20+ years later, I'm still not sure where I'm at with the whole thing.  Everything happened incredibly fast and it just seemed too easy.  Be both needed...something.  Counseling?  A change of school?  A good kick in the ass might have went a long way in snapping me out of it...

   

   
Wow!  What a life you've led.  If you don't mind my saying so, I think stronger parental presence in your lives might have made a difference, not really a change of schools.  At any rate, it still would not guarantee that you'd be an under-age parent, it would just be less likely.

Wow!  What a life you've led.  If you don't mind my saying so, I think stronger parental presence in your lives might have made a difference, not really a change of schools.  At any rate, it still would not guarantee that you'd be an under-age parent, it would just be less likely.



   I hate sitting back and second guessing our parents.  It's too easy to do, but like you said we needed our parents to step in and mightily take control.  Some judicious parenting would've went a long way in possibly preventing that altogether.  That just never happened.  We'd get chewed out, maybe grounded for a week and then business as usual.  Things were allowed to progress and we took that as a green light.  Another thing, for me, was my grandfather's general aloofness, which I took advantage of.  I ran rough shod over him.  I could've been enriching uranium under the house and he would've been none the wiser...

   In the end, nobody won.  It was bad for all concerned.  There were no winners...

     

Don't you see, if your 16 year old neighbor girl gets knocked up, how many other 16 yr. girls around the world who do the same will say: 'well, AL-B's neighbor had a kid at 16, no big deal'...

Um...yeah. I'm flattered that you think so highly of me, but I doubt that there's millions of 16 year-old girls around the world who are monitoring what my neighbors' children are up to. Unless I'm like Jim Carrey in "The Truman Show," and I've somehow become some worldwide celebrity without my even realizing it.

If that is indeed true, and I have indeed become famous without my knowing it, then could someone here at least have the common decency to drop me a few hints?  ::)

did you notice how Whoopi G. glossed over her famiy situation on the 'View'? They talked a little of the event and Whoopi basically said in my familys' case...etc..
but never mentioned how her 15 yr. old daughter had a kid.  It would've been good to hear how that was handled...



OK...I never watch "The View," and I could give a flying f*ck less about Whoopi Goldberg's daughter or Britney Spears' sister or whoever.

Then again, I just turned 37, and I'm pretty much out of touch with most of today's pop culture, so forgive me if I really don't know much about the mindset of younger people. Am I a bad person for not caring about this? Does the fact that I am not standing outside right now in sub-freezing temperatures holding my own personal candlelight vigil for Whoopi Goldberg's daughter and Britney Spears' sister somehow make me a heartless, callous individual?

Has the world passed me by?  :-\\

If that is indeed true, and I have indeed become famous without my knowing it, then could someone here at least have the common decency to drop me a few hints?  ::)

OK...I never watch "The View," and I could give a flying f*ck less about Whoopi Goldberg's daughter or Britney Spears' sister or whoever.

Then again, I just turned 37, and I'm pretty much out of touch with most of today's pop culture, so forgive me if I really don't know much about the mindset of younger people. Am I a bad person for not caring about this? Does the fact that I am not standing outside right now in sub-freezing temperatures holding my own personal candlelight vigil for Whoopi Goldberg's daughter and Britney Spears' sister somehow make me a heartless, callous individual?

Has the world passed me by?  :-\\


That wasn't what I intended to point out...just that by listening to the young mindset of the guys/girls out there is what they say when word gets out(usually in the mags or from word of mouth.

I heard of Jamies story while standing in line at a grocery store, the young 16 year old girls couldn't believe it, the cashier said her daughter watches her show and she will not let her watch it anymore...but it has an effect..big or mall....******okay this is where 'crybaby guy' from youtube jumps in LEAVE BRITNEYS SISTER ALONE!!!!

I have no more on this, the talk of it has run its course to me...

I'm off this subject...   :-X

   Would you believe my ex and I became parents @ 15 and 16 y/o, respectively.  That's right, she was 14 y/o when I got her pregnant...

   Why?  For my part I was pretty much out of control at that age.  I mean out of control.  I was doing whatever I wanted whenever I wanted and felt I need answer to no one.  I was raised by my paternal grandparents for most of my life and my late grandfather was simply getting too old to keep on top of my hijinks and to drop the hammer on me when I needed it.  My father was still around on the fringes of my life but played no active part in raising me...

   Her, she had problems at home.  Remember the scene in The Breakfast Club where they're all sitting on the floor complaining about their parents?  That was her.   She had, as Ally Sheedy's character put it, "An unsatisfying home life."  She kept running away from home.  She used to talk of being molested and beaten by her father, I had serious doubts about that but I still have the stack of letters she wrote me while she was sitting in her bedroom.  We cut school, we partied, we got drunk, we got stoned.  She lived in our house for around two months before being discovered, using windows to enter and exit my room.  I used to sneak food to her.  She'd take showers at night while everyone was asleep.  They thought it was me.   It really was quite unbelievable.  She ran away so many times that her parents actually wrote her off as gone.  They moved..!

   Long story short, we got married five days before our son was born.  She had reconnected with her parents and younger brother and I enlisted in the military to support them...

   20+ years later, I'm still not sure where I'm at with the whole thing.  Everything happened incredibly fast and it just seemed too easy.  Be both needed...something.  Counseling?  A change of school?  A good kick in the ass might have went a long way in snapping me out of it...

   

   

That is quite a story, Davester.  I couldn't have handled fatherhood at 15.  I doubt I could handle it now, for chrissakes!  I did manage to put my girlfriend in the family way when I was 21 and she was 20.  I got this phone call one night:
"M-m-m-max, I-I-I have to t-t-talk to you..." she said in a quavering voice.
I knew instantly.  You know that feeling when the rollercoaster car drops down the steepest incline?  That's what I felt like!
"You're pregnant!" I blurted.
"Well...I, I was!" She replied, bursting into tears.
She recounted the harrowing events--the interrupted cycle, the positive test at the doctor's, the week of terror about what to tell her parents and what to tell me, and then the traumatic miscarriage. 
I was at the same time terribly relieved and terribly guilty.  The last thing either of us could handle was parenthood.  That poor girl was so fragile and so confused, like something from a Bergman film.  I myself had been fired from three jobs in quick succession, endured bouts of panic attacks, and spent afternoons in my tenament apartment staring at cracks in the ceiling whilst listening to Beethoven and shaking.  We couldn't manage our own lives let alone the life of a helpless infant!  However, she was bipolar and the run-in with pregnancy triggered a major depressive episode.  If I had taken more care, it wouldn't have happened. 

We were almost always careful, but almost doesn't cut it, especially at that age!
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I know what you mean about the crummy home life.  I went to live with my mother at 15.  She missed that window of opportunity a parent has to establish authority over an adolescent child.  Even though she was in her forties, she was still a teenager herself in many ways.  I didn't have all that business with curfews, social monitoring, rules about grades, rules about partying.  My peers thought that was cool.  They looked at me funny when I tried to explain it really wasn't cool.  I actually envied kids who got grounded for C's and had parents who could actually do something about it when I skipped school to hang out in Harvard Square.  Ironically, other than truancy, I did little else in the way of misbehaving.  I worked at a grocery store 30 hours a week because my dad was a deadbeat and my mom had no money.  Homework?  Too tired for that.
::)

"The Breakfast Club" came out at just the right time for me.  I'd say I was a very strange blend of Brian Johnson (brains), John Bender (anger), and Allison Reynolds (general weirdness).

all i have to say is after talking with my 13 yo sister, she said she can't believe this..she compares Jamie to that Hannah Montana girl...and said to me when i asked if she thought them as role models.' yes they are to lots of kids...look at Hannah, she just sold a tour....i wish i could be her.......' then we talked a bit about the prego stuff...and she said kids are not getting taught the right stuff at school...this is my 13 yo sister...she said her friend in 5 or 6th grade was handed tampons and condoms...i was appalled...i also have another sister, she teaches in a High school in phoenix, AZ she has had dozens of pregnant teens...and quite a few are happy, why...so that they can have some one love them back...now i do think its some what stupid if one is having a child just to be loved...where are the parents, why aren't they loving there on child? ugh life is just getting difficult...and davester i commend you for doing it...i don't think...wait i know i could have never done it...how are things now?

That is quite a story, Davester.  I couldn't have handled fatherhood at 15.  I doubt I could handle it now, for chrissakes!  I did manage to put my girlfriend in the family way when I was 21 and she was 20.  I got this phone call one night:
"M-m-m-max, I-I-I have to t-t-talk to you..." she said in a quavering voice.
I knew instantly.  You know that feeling when the rollercoaster car drops down the steepest incline?  That's what I felt like!
"You're pregnant!" I blurted.
"Well...I, I was!" She replied, bursting into tears.
She recounted the harrowing events--the interrupted cycle, the positive test at the doctor's, the week of terror about what to tell her parents and what to tell me, and then the traumatic miscarriage. 
I was at the same time terribly relieved and terribly guilty.  The last thing either of us could handle was parenthood.  That poor girl was so fragile and so confused, like something from a Bergman film.  I myself had been fired from three jobs in quick succession, endured bouts of panic attacks, and spent afternoons in my tenament apartment staring at cracks in the ceiling whilst listening to Beethoven and shaking.  We couldn't manage our own lives let alone the life of a helpless infant!  However, she was bipolar and the run-in with pregnancy triggered a major depressive episode.  If I had taken more care, it wouldn't have happened. 

We were almost always careful, but almost doesn't cut it, especially at that age!
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I know what you mean about the crummy home life.  I went to live with my mother at 15.  She missed that window of opportunity a parent has to establish authority over an adolescent child.  Even though she was in her forties, she was still a teenager herself in many ways.  I didn't have all that business with curfews, social monitoring, rules about grades, rules about partying.  My peers thought that was cool.  They looked at me funny when I tried to explain it really wasn't cool.  I actually envied kids who got grounded for C's and had parents who could actually do something about it when I skipped school to hang out in Harvard Square.  Ironically, other than truancy, I did little else in the way of misbehaving.  I worked at a grocery store 30 hours a week because my dad was a deadbeat and my mom had no money.  Homework?  Too tired for that.
::)

"The Breakfast Club" came out at just the right time for me.  I'd say I was a very strange blend of Brian Johnson (brains), John Bender (anger), and Allison Reynolds (general weirdness).


   Wow, she miscarried..?

   Well I didn't handle it well at 16 y/o.  She handled it better.  I could go into why she handled it so well, but the story gets even more ridiculous...

   I remember first learning she was preggies from a mutual friend at school.  You know, the broken typewriter.  So, I'm seriously freaking out, "We're dead!  We're dead!  We're s-o-o-o-o dead..!"  And she's stitting there like, "Do you think James is a good name for a boy..?"  I'm like, "Chris, WE - ARE - DEAD!  Your parents are going to kill us!  My parents are going to kill us!  The school is going to kill us!  The cops are going to kill us!  We're dead..!" 

   We could be described, in the lingo of the time, as "troubled youth".  It was only a matter of time before that particular thing happened...

   I wish I'd have left my other post here, but I was saying that at our young ages I think we would have been quite receptive to some firm intervention before the whole thing hit the fan.  That intervention was simply not forthcoming.  When given an inch, we took a mile.  I could not be convinced that I didn't know what I was doing.  I knew it all, and things went from bad to worse, to better, to bad, to worse to the worst...

   Sounds like we both had somewhat similar experiences in our teens.  It wasn't all peach fuzz, back then...well, you know...

A WHOLE NEW BALLGAME IF IT'S TRUE:


Rumor or a media leak...it's been said the 'father' may be an OLDER executive from the show and the 19 yr. old is the fall guy, but Jaime is not going with the young guy anymore and may be saying HE is not the dad..so we may have an older guy set-if revealed- who could be charged with sex with a minor...

I may wait for other shoes to drop when I hear a juicy story next time instead of jumping on the first word...so chat on this if you like speculative talk...

What kind of mind does she have now if it's true and should the family cover the deed doer if they know it to be true...
It's all in their court but how dumb would Jaime have to be to let it happen THAT way and should we/will we(the public) be treated to know who the actual dad is, now that we've embraced this situation as it did turn into a national story in OK magazine....(yeah, like the Spears' family will listen to us)... :o   

A WHOLE NEW BALLGAME IF IT'S TRUE:


Rumor or a media leak...it's been said the 'father' may be an OLDER executive from the show and the 19 yr. old is the fall guy, but Jaime is not going with the young guy anymore and may be saying HE is not the dad..so we may have an older guy set-if revealed- who could be charged with sex with a minor...

I may wait for other shoes to drop when I hear a juicy story next time instead of jumping on the first word...so chat on this if you like speculative talk...

What kind of mind does she have now if it's true and should the family cover the deed doer if they know it to be true...
It's all in their court but how dumb would Jaime have to be to let it happen THAT way and should we/will we(the public) be treated to know who the actual dad is, now that we've embraced this situation as it did turn into a national story in OK magazine....(yeah, like the Spears' family will listen to us)... :o   


Yeah, if it turns out that some dirty old man was hittin' it on a regular basis, that will put the nail in Jamie's "wholesome" image for good.  Yeah, I know that's a double standard but I do not make the rules, I just observe them.

And yes, the dirty old man likely will be "high fiiving" with his buddies once he is outed.

Do you know ANY 16 year old girls?  Have you met any, like ever?  I don't know ANY 16 year old who CHOSE to be a mother, never mind doing it because some other 16 year old did it, regardless of her popularity.  You have absolutely no idea what the hell you're talking about.


The welfare rolls have LOTS of young teenage mothers who got there on purpose.  It is not all that unusual (and also not all that common) for a girl that age to get pregnant to entrap her boyfried, or to become "one of the gang" in the slums, by having a child.  Pretty soon thereafter, of course, they realize that they F-ed up.

I'm not saying that is the norm, just that it happens and it has been going on forever.  Part of the cycle of poverty.

But a teenager gettng pregos intentionally is nothing new...

... a girl that age to get pregnant to entrap her boyfried...


  Whoa, hold the phone...

  Is that what it was.?! 

  Goodbye self respect, nice knowing ya...

The welfare rolls have LOTS of young teenage mothers who got there on purpose.  It is not all that unusual (and also not all that common) for a girl that age to get pregnant to entrap her boyfried, or to become "one of the gang" in the slums, by having a child.  Pretty soon thereafter, of course, they realize that they F-ed up.



Whoa with the entrap crap.  This is 2007/8 and boys are just as aware as girls on how babies are made.  If a female doesn't want to have a baby she knows how to prevent it.  If a male doesn't want to have a baby he knows how to prevent it.  The time is long passed when the female has had to take the blame for the males behavior.  It is a thing called personal responsibility, if a male doesn't want to have a baby he has to take it upon himself to see that he doesn't and not leave the decision to anyone else.

Whoa with the entrap crap.  This is 2007/8 and boys are just as aware as girls on how babies are made.  If a female doesn't want to have a baby she knows how to prevent it.  If a male doesn't want to have a baby he knows how to prevent it.  The time is long passed when the female has had to take the blame for the males behavior.  It is a thing called personal responsibility, if a male doesn't want to have a baby he has to take it upon himself to see that he doesn't and not leave the decision to anyone else.


I hear you, Danoota, but it is not unheard of for a girl to tell her BF that she's on The Pill when she isnt.  And yes, if the boy were smart he'd be wearing a condoom nonetheless.  But under that circumstance, while the boy was deceived, the girl in fact should shoulder more of the "blame" because she deliberately deceived the guy (who was stupid enuf to believe her and not put on a prophy).

So... I stand by my "entrapment" comment...  This of course is not always the case, and most likely is not the case but for a minority of cases.  But when it happens, then the pregnancy occurred due to the girl's deceit and the boy's stupidity.  That is called a "con game".

Therefore teenage guys... ALWAYS WEAR YOUR RAIN COAT!!!!!!

I hear you, Danoota, but it is not unheard of for a girl to tell her BF that she's on The Pill when she isnt.  And yes, if the boy were smart he'd be wearing a condoom nonetheless.  But under that circumstance, while the boy was deceived, the girl in fact should shoulder more of the "blame" because she deliberately deceived the guy (who was stupid enuf to believe her and not put on a prophy).

So... I stand by my "entrapment" comment...  This of course is not always the case, and most likely is not the case but for a minority of cases.  But when it happens, then the pregnancy occurred due to the girl's deceit and the boy's stupidity.  That is called a "con game".

Therefore teenage guys... ALWAYS WEAR YOUR RAIN COAT!!!!!!
I had not considered the welfare situation and maybe I stand corrected in that regard, however, it ALWAYS takes 2 people to conceive a child, entrapment or not! 

Everyone should be responsible for protecting themselves!

Now, excuse me while I do a happy dance that I made it out of my 20's without incident  :D

The welfare rolls have LOTS of young teenage mothers who got there on purpose.  It is not all that unusual (and also not all that common) for a girl that age to get pregnant to entrap her boyfried, or to become "one of the gang" in the slums, by having a child.  Pretty soon thereafter, of course, they realize that they F-ed up.

I'm not saying that is the norm, just that it happens and it has been going on forever.  Part of the cycle of poverty.

But a teenager gettng pregos intentionally is nothing new...

Hey, I was about to make that post...
but I left my Rush Limbaugh phrase book at Don Imus' house.




Therefore teenage guys... ALWAYS WEAR YOUR RAIN COAT!!!!!!

What'dya mean just "teenage" guys?  You can still do it after you turn 20.  Did you know that?  You didn't, did you?  Oh, no wonder you're so frustrated!
:P

   Wow, she miscarried..?
Yeah, as a recovering anorexic she wasn't in prime shape for it.  Cheryl could recover from anorexia, but not bipolarity.  She jumped off a ferrry boat into the Puget Sound at the age of 33.  Mind you, I'd had zero contact with her for ten years.  I never forgot about her, but the way we broke up, zero contact was for the best.  So all those years later I thought I would track her down and see how she was doing.  I was two months too late.  From what I gathered emailing with one of her girlfriends and her former fiance, things never got easier for her.  I hope she finally got some peace where ever she is.

   
   Sounds like we both had somewhat similar experiences in our teens.  It wasn't all peach fuzz, back then...well, you know...


You said it!  Sure would have been a gas to be normally abnormal like those kids in the John Hughes movies!  Mine was more like "Clockwork Orange" without the crime.
:-\\

I hear you, Danoota, but it is not unheard of for a girl to tell her BF that she's on The Pill when she isnt.  And yes, if the boy were smart he'd be wearing a condoom nonetheless.  But under that circumstance, while the boy was deceived, the girl in fact should shoulder more of the "blame" because she deliberately deceived the guy (who was stupid enuf to believe her and not put on a prophy).

So... I stand by my "entrapment" comment...  This of course is not always the case, and most likely is not the case but for a minority of cases.  But when it happens, then the pregnancy occurred due to the girl's deceit and the boy's stupidity.  That is called a "con game".

Therefore teenage guys... ALWAYS WEAR YOUR RAIN COAT!!!!!!


Nope, I still won't go for it.  The boy has the information, he has to make the call for himself. The "but she said..." argument doesn't hold water in certain situations and this one is at the top of the list. It wouldn't be so pitiful/pathetic if it was only teenage boys, it is an argument made in paternity cases by grown men everyday.

Karma for you, Danoota. :)

Karma for you, Danoota. :)



Here is a good one for you.  Way back when, if a girl was unmarried and pregnant she could go ask the judge for child support, but if more than one male said that they slept with her the judge wouldn't award support.  It was a common ploy for a guy to have a couple of his buddies say that they could be the father, the judge in turn wouldn't order support, not taking her word for who the father was.  Well here in Massachusetts, back in the 80s when the support tide started to turn, a similar case came up.  A guy came in with two friends who swore that they had slept with her and they could be the father.  The judge then ordered each one to pay 1/3 of the support.  PRICELESS!  Needless to say the real father was soon taking responsibility for the entire amount.

Smart judge. ;D