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Subject: Indicators that the "classic" 2000s are finally coming to an end
Written By: TheBlackGuy.returns on 03/01/07 at 6:26 pm
celebration now...COME ON!!!!!!!!!!!!! 8)
The classic 2000s (02' to 06'), the most stale and commercialized decade of pop culture is show signs of decline!!!! :D The mid-riff bearing low-rise jeans craze has been replaced by longer tunics and mid-rise jeans. The media obsessions of the decade (Lindsay Lohan, Britney Spears, Paris Hilton, etc.) are losing their popularity amid negative publicity and rehab. And finally, according to this article, Glam rap, the single worst musical development since the advent dance-pop in the late 80s (Milli Vanili, MC Hammer, Vanilla Ice, etc), is facing a backlash and declining sales (the same way the decline in alt. rock and gangsta rap sales in spelled an end to the classic 90s in 1997...what a coincidence :o) Now that Glam rap is on its way out...all that is left is Emo
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17386527/
Hip-hop faces increasing backlash
Minstrelization of the music combined with negativity equals poor sales
The Associated Press
Updated: 7:12 p.m. CT Feb 28, 2007
NEW YORK - Maybe it was the umpteenth coke-dealing anthem or soft-porn music video. Perhaps it was the preening antics that some call reminiscent of Stepin Fetchit.
The turning point is hard to pinpoint. But after 30 years of growing popularity, rap music is now struggling with an alarming sales decline and growing criticism from within about the culture’s negative effect on society.
Rap insider Chuck Creekmur, who runs the leading Web site Allhiphop.com, says he got a message from a friend recently “asking me to hook her up with some Red Hot Chili Peppers because she said she’s through with rap. A lot of people are sick of rap ... the negativity is just over the top now.”
The rapper Nas, considered one of the greats, challenged the condition of the art form when he titled his latest album “Hip-Hop is Dead.” It’s at least ailing, according to recent statistics: Though music sales are down overall, rap sales slid a whopping 21 percent from 2005 to 2006, and for the first time in 12 years no rap album was among the top 10 sellers of the year. A recent study by the Black Youth Project showed a majority of youth think rap has too many violent images. In a poll of black Americans by The Associated Press and AOL-Black Voices last year, 50 percent of respondents said hip-hop was a negative force in American society.
Nicole Duncan-Smith grew up on rap, worked in the rap industry for years and is married to a hip-hop producer. She still listens to rap, but says it no longer speaks to or for her. She wrote the children’s book “I Am Hip-Hop” partly to create something positive about rap for young children, including her 4-year-old daughter.
“I’m not removed from it, but I can’t really tell the difference between Young Jeezy and Yung Joc. It’s the same dumb stuff to me,” says Duncan-Smith, 33. “I can’t listen to that nonsense ... I can’t listen to another black man talk about you don’t come to the ’hood anymore and ghetto revivals ... I’m from the ’hood. How can you tell me you want to revive it? How about you want to change it? Rejuvenate it?”
Is hip-hop to blame?
Hip-hop also seems to be increasingly blamed for a variety of social ills. Studies have attempted to link it to everything from teen drug use to increased sexual activity among young girls.
Even the mayhem that broke out in Las Vegas during last week’s NBA All-Star Game was blamed on hip-hoppers. “ David Stern seriously needs to consider moving the event out of the country for the next couple of years in hopes that young, hip-hop hoodlums would find another event to terrorize,” columnist Jason Whitlock, who is black, wrote on AOL.
While rap has been in essence pop music for years, and most rap consumers are white, some worry that the black community is suffering from hip-hop — from the way America perceives blacks to the attitudes and images being adopted by black youth.
But the rapper David Banner derides the growing criticism as blacks joining America’s attack on young black men who are only reflecting the crushing problems within their communities. Besides, he says, that’s the kind of music America wants to hear.
“Look at the music that gets us popular — ‘Like a Pimp,”’ he says, naming two of his hits.
“What makes it so difficult is to know that we need to be doing other things. But the truth is at least us talking about what we’re talking about, we can bring certain things to the light,” he says. “They want to shuck and jive, but they don’t want us to tell the real story because they’re connected to it.”
Criticism of hip-hop is certainly nothing new — it’s as much a part of the culture as the beats and rhymes. Among the early accusations were that rap wasn’t true music, its lyrics were too raw, its street message too polarizing. But they rarely came from the youthful audience itself, which was enraptured with genre that defined them as none other could.
“As people within the hip-hop generation get older, I think the criticism is increasing,” says author Bakari Kitwana, who is currently part of a lecture tour titled “Does Hip-Hop Hate Women?”
“There was a more of a tendency when we were younger to be more defensive of it,” he adds.
Women tired of stereotypes
During her ’90s crusade against rap’s habit of degrading women, the late black activist C. Dolores Tucker certainly had few allies within the hip-hop community, or even among young black women. Backed by folks like conservative Republican William Bennett, Tucker was vilified within rap circles.
In retrospect, “many of us weren’t listening,” says Tracy Denean Sharpley-Whiting, a professor at Vanderbilt University and author of the new book “Pimps Up, Ho’s Down: Hip-Hop’s Hold On Young Black Women.”
“She was onto something, but most of us said, ‘They’re not calling me a bitch, they’re not talking about me, they’re talking about those women.’ But then it became clear that, you know what? Those women can be any women.”
One rap fan, Bryan Hunt, made the searing documentary “Hip-Hop: Beyond Beats and Rhymes,” which debuted on PBS this month. Hunt addresses the biggest criticisms of rap, from its treatment of women to the glorification of the gangsta lifestyle that has become the default posture for many of today’s most popular rappers.
“I love hip-hop,” Hunt, 36, says in the documentary. “I sometimes feel bad for criticizing hip-hop, but I want to get us men to take a look at ourselves.”
Minstrelization of hip-hop
Even dances that may seem innocuous are not above the fray. Last summer, as the “Chicken Noodle Soup” song and accompanying dance became a sensation, Baltimore Sun pop critic Rashod D. Ollison mused that the dance — demonstrated in the video by young people stomping wildly from side to side — was part of the growing minstrelization of rap music.
“The music, dances and images in the video are clearly reminiscent of the era when pop culture reduced blacks to caricatures: lazy ‘coons,’ grinning ‘pickaninnies,’ sexually super-charged ‘bucks,”’ he wrote.
And then there’s the criminal aspect that has long been a part of rap. In the ’70s, groups may have rapped about drug dealing and street violence, but rap stars weren’t the embodiment of criminals themselves. Today, the most popular and successful rappers boast about who has murdered more foes and rhyme about dealing drugs as breezily as other artists sing about love.
Creekmur says music labels have overfed the public on gangsta rap, obscuring artists who represent more positive and varied aspects of black life, like Talib Kweli, Common and Lupe Fiasco.
“It boils down to a complete lack of balance, and whenever there’s a complete lack of balance people are going to reject it, whether it’s positive or negative,” Creekmur says.
Yet Banner says there’s a reason why acts like KRS-One and Public Enemy don’t sell anymore. He recalled that even his own fans rebuffed positive songs he made — like “Cadillac on 22s,” about staying away from street life — in favor of songs like “Like a Pimp.”
“The American public had an opportunity to pick what they wanted from David Banner,” he says. “I wish America would just be honest. America is sick. ... America loves violence and sex.”
Subject: Re: Indicators that the "classic" 2000s are finally coming to an end
Written By: Marty McFly on 03/01/07 at 7:36 pm
Interesting article.
While the rap genre has been huge for awhile, no doubt (I'd say 1995 was when it first began equalling or surpassing rock), I agree with a few points the article is making. I've sensed some skepticism and doubt as to the staying power of current glam rap. Lots of people, including on this board, have predicted it losing popularity. Sure, when something amasses a huge number of fans, it's not gonna completely fade away. It has too big of a following (and, as long as people like it, the industry will keep pumping it out), however, I do think it's at least bound to start changing soon.
I'd agree the 2002-'05 "Bling Bling/50 Cent era" is definitely losing steam. That stuff almost seems like a joke now. In fact, I think the whole genre has kinda turned into what hair metal was around 1990, which may very well be its downfall too.
During the '90s, even if people vehemently hated gangsta rap for its sometimes violent, loud, obnoxious and obscene nature, at least it had some merit since it was "real". Like, you just knew lots of these guys really were bad*sses who were accurately depicting street life or prison life. Whereas, it's more of a joke now.
Subject: Re: Indicators that the "classic" 2000s are finally coming to an end
Written By: Brian06 on 03/01/07 at 9:18 pm
Still rules the singles charts, well hip-hop does, there is definite difference there between hip-hop influenced pop/r&b songs and actual rap. Albums sales have always favored rock more generally. The new number 1 song on the Hot 100 is a rap song. Akon's album has been successful in sales, though that is R&B and not rap.
Subject: Re: Indicators that the "classic" 2000s are finally coming to an end
Written By: Marty McFly on 03/01/07 at 11:32 pm
Stil rules the singles charts, well hip-hop does, there is definite difference there between hip-hop influenced pop/r&b songs and actual rap. Albums sales have always favored rock more generally. The new number 1 song on the Hot 100 is a rap song. Akon's album has been successful in sales, though that is R&B and not rap.
That's very true, actually. The true hardcore, badass rappers often make their music so loud and explicit just so that no mainstream listeners such as little kids or soccer moms will start getting into it. Just as old-school Metallica fans hated the Black Album, many purists of any musical style can get extremely protective, because they want it to remain "theirs".
Even the bling bling stuff is really more pop than true rap. Pop is basically just mainstreamized versions of different kinds of music.
Subject: Re: Indicators that the "classic" 2000s are finally coming to an end
Written By: Brian06 on 03/01/07 at 11:39 pm
That's very true, actually. The true hardcore, badass rappers often make their music so loud and explicit just so that no mainstream listeners such as little kids or soccer moms will start getting into it. Just as old-school Metallica fans hated the Black Album, many purists of any musical style can get extremely protective, because they want it to remain "theirs".
Even the bling bling stuff is really more pop than true rap. Pop is basically just mainstreamized versions of different kinds of music.
Right now what is big, is generally stuff like you know Fergie, Justin Timberlake, Nelly Furtado, Akon, Gwen Stefani, etc. None of them are rap, but are hip-hop influenced in one way or another. There's some big rap songs now, but in general the stuff I mentioned is more popular than any of them and sells more albums.
Subject: Re: Indicators that the "classic" 2000s are finally coming to an end
Written By: Marty McFly on 03/02/07 at 12:25 am
Right now what is big, is generally stuff like you know Fergie, Justin Timberlake, Nelly Furtado, Akon, Gwen Stefani, etc. None of them are rap, but are hip-hop influenced in one way or another. There's some big rap songs now, but in general the stuff I mentioned is more popular than any of them and sells more albums.
Yeah, they're mostly hip hop-oriented pop or dance stuff. Gwen isn't even hip hop per se at all, she just adapted some elements of it. Black Eyed Peas are also hip hop, not rap, imo.
Subject: Re: Indicators that the "classic" 2000s are finally coming to an end
Written By: tv on 03/02/07 at 1:49 pm
Radio personality Michael Baisedan was just talking about this(the current state of hip-hop) yesterday with callers yesterday on his radio show "love, lust, and lies". Michael Baisedan also had old-school rappers like MC Lyte and Kurtis Blow on his show yesterday too talking about the current state of hip-hop.
Subject: Re: Indicators that the "classic" 2000s are finally coming to an end
Written By: mach!ne_he@d on 03/02/07 at 6:34 pm
Interesting article.
While the rap genre has been huge for awhile, no doubt (I'd say 1995 was when it first began equalling or surpassing rock), I agree with a few points the article is making. I've sensed some skepticism and doubt as to the staying power of current glam rap. Lots of people, including on this board, have predicted it losing popularity. Sure, when something amasses a huge number of fans, it's not gonna completely fade away. It has too big of a following (and, as long as people like it, the industry will keep pumping it out), however, I do think it's at least bound to start changing soon.
I'd agree the 2002-'05 "Bling Bling/50 Cent era" is definitely losing steam. That stuff almost seems like a joke now. In fact, I think the whole genre has kinda turned into what hair metal was around 1990, which may very well be its downfall too.
During the '90s, even if people vehemently hated gangsta rap for its sometimes violent, loud, obnoxious and obscene nature, at least it had some merit since it was "real". Like, you just knew lots of these guys really were bad*sses who were accurately depicting street life or prison life. Whereas, it's more of a joke now.
I agree that current glam rap is reaching the point that hair metal was in back in 1990. Remember, back then hair metal was actually still pretty popular, at least on the charts. Quite a few hair metal songs charted pretty highly then, even on into 1991 and 1992, when grunge really started to take off.
I think current glam rap will continue to be on the charts pretty highly, maybe even into the next 2 or so years, but it's in a decline for sure.
Subject: Re: Indicators that the "classic" 2000s are finally coming to an end
Written By: TheBlackGuy.returns on 03/02/07 at 11:22 pm
We’re only about two months into 2007, and there's been a PBS documentary as well as a CNN special about how hip-hop is the worst thing that ever happened to this country. If you notice, this is happening right at a time when hip-hop is reaching an epic commerical nadir. According to an AP story’s that’s been making the rounds today, rap album sales were down 21 percent from 2005 to 2006. Furthermore, 2006 marked the first time in 12 years that top ten best-selling albums of the year did not include a rap album. How ironic that only four years ago, hip hop was dominating the charts (see link)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/3168554.stm
Subject: Re: Indicators that the "classic" 2000s are finally coming to an end
Written By: Marty McFly on 03/02/07 at 11:33 pm
I agree that current glam rap is reaching the point that hair metal was in back in 1990. Remember, back then hair metal was actually still pretty popular, at least on the charts. Quite a few hair metal songs charted pretty highly then, even on into 1991 and 1992, when grunge really started to take off.
I think current glam rap will continue to be on the charts pretty highly, maybe even into the next 2 or so years, but it's in a decline for sure.
Yeah, there's always a "popular, but declining and getting more generic" period of any musical genre. This tends to happen right after its peak and usually has more copycat bands than innovators which made it popular in the first place. For hair metal, this happened from 1989 to mid 1991, and maybe even a teeny bit in 1992 (this was the Nineties, no doubt, but the grunge and gangsta rap styles hadn't yet quite caught up to everyone), whereas its creative peak years were when Bon Jovi, Def Leppard and Motley Crue were topping the charts - say late 1986-1988/early '89.
In the future, I'd say the peak glam rap time will get categorized as late 2001-early 2005 or so, with 2006 to 2009-11ish as the "fading" point.
Subject: Re: Indicators that the "classic" 2000s are finally coming to an end
Written By: mach!ne_he@d on 03/03/07 at 11:36 am
Yeah, there's always a "popular, but declining and getting more generic" period of any musical genre. This tends to happen right after its peak and usually has more copycat bands than innovators which made it popular in the first place. For hair metal, this happened from 1989 to mid 1991, and maybe even a teeny bit in 1992 (this was the Nineties, no doubt, but the grunge and gangsta rap styles hadn't yet quite caught up to everyone), whereas its creative peak years were when Bon Jovi, Def Leppard and Motley Crue were topping the charts - say late 1986-1988/early '89.
In the future, I'd say the peak glam rap time will get categorized as late 2001-early 2005 or so, with 2006 to 2009-11ish as the "fading" point.
Yeah, that sounds right. Glam rap first started to become really popular around the middle of 2001, and started to peak around the same time the boy/girl band craze started to die down in '02. I first started to notice it's decline around the middle of 2005 or so, and it was pretty obvious last year.
Like I've said, I think it'll linger around probably until the end of this decade, but won't be nearly as popular as it was.
Subject: Re: Indicators that the "classic" 2000s are finally coming to an end
Written By: tv on 03/03/07 at 12:00 pm
Yeah, that sounds right. Glam rap first started to become really popular around the middle of 2001, and started to peak around the same time the boy/girl band craze started to die down in '02. I first started to notice it's decline around the middle of 2005 or so, and it was pretty obvious last year.
Like I've said, I think it'll linger around probably until the end of this decade, but won't be nearly as popular as it was.
No, rap was still R&B influenced in 2001 and 2002 mostly I think even though it did have a glam attiude sort of(money, cars, girls) in 2001-2002 but not to the extent it had a glam atttide of 2003-2005. I think 2003 or was the year Glam Rap become big with 50 Cent coming onto the scene and Lil Jon as well with his single called "Get Low" blew up on the charts in 2003 or 2004 maybe.
Subject: Re: Indicators that the "classic" 2000s are finally coming to an end
Written By: tv on 03/03/07 at 12:22 pm
Interesting article.
While the rap genre has been huge for awhile, no doubt (I'd say 1995 was when it first began equalling or surpassing rock), I agree with a few points the article is making. I've sensed some skepticism and doubt as to the staying power of current glam rap. Lots of people, including on this board, have predicted it losing popularity. Sure, when something amasses a huge number of fans, it's not gonna completely fade away. It has too big of a following (and, as long as people like it, the industry will keep pumping it out), however, I do think it's at least bound to start changing soon.
No, 1995 rock was still big then with bands like Live, Green Day, Collective Soul, Soul Astlum, and Better Than Ezra. I think 1996 was the break even here when hip-hop started to take off in popularity with artists like Coolio, 2 Pac and Bone Thugs N' Hamrmony hitting #1 on the Billboard Hot 100 with their single "Cross roads" but rock was still pretty popular. I'd say 1997 is when hip-hop blew up in popularity after 2 Pac's and Biggie's death and than Puff Daddy topping the charts with songs like "Mo Money, More problems" "Been Around The World" and the smash hit "I'll Be Missing You" which sampled the Poilice's mega 1983 hit "Every Breath You Take". Hip Hop than did die down in popuarity but remained mainstream with artists like Ja Rule and Jay-Z when Teen-pop was big from 1999-2001. Id say 2002 was the break even year(for this decade) which I think rock was still as big as Hip-Hop but Hip-Hop did start get noticed more because of the fued between rappers Nas and Jay-Z in that year and that Nas and Jay-Z were the closest thing critically to 2Pac and Biggie respectively(since they died) music wise that hip had in 2002. 2003 was the year hip-hop blew up in popularity with 50 Cent as I said before and Lil Jon and maybe Kanye West to a smaller extent. So in conclusion Hip was big in 1997-1998 but died down in popularity from 1999-2001(rock was as popular as hip-hop) and was huge from 2003-early 2006.
"I'd agree the 2002-'05 "Bling Bling/50 Cent era" is definitely losing steam. That stuff almost seems like a joke now. In fact, I think the whole genre has kinda turned into what hair metal was around 1990, which may very well be its downfall too."
No, 2002 stuff like Vanessa Carlton, Michelle Branch, and avril Lavigne were big not hip-hop. Also, Kylie Minogue was big in the US in 2002 too with the single "Can't Getta Out Of My Head".
Subject: Re: Indicators that the "classic" 2000s are finally coming to an end
Written By: Marty McFly on 03/03/07 at 12:29 pm
^That's true, there was still alot of rock and pop acts from 1995-2002 (I've always said that rap was just one popular genre in the '90s, but it didn't dominate the charts or anything, like it started to in 2003). Yeah, even the early '00s had more basic Top 40 varitety.
I guess 2003 was when the early '00s stuff finally mainstreamized (usually it takes 2-3 years for that to happen - i.e. late 1982 being when the new wavish sound that was underground in 1979-most of '82 hit big).
Subject: Re: Indicators that the "classic" 2000s are finally coming to an end
Written By: tv on 03/03/07 at 12:51 pm
celebration now...COME ON!!!!!!!!!!!!! 8)
The classic 2000s (02' to 06'), the most stale and commercialized decade of pop culture is show signs of decline!!!! :D The mid-riff bearing low-rise jeans craze has been replaced by longer tunics and mid-rise jeans. The media obsessions of the decade (Lindsay Lohan, Britney Spears, Paris Hilton, etc.) are losing their popularity amid negative publicity and rehab. And finally, according to this article, Glam rap, the single worst musical development since the advent dance-pop in the late 80s (Milli Vanili, MC Hammer, Vanilla Ice, etc), is facing a backlash and declining sales (the same way the decline in alt. rock and gangsta rap sales in spelled an end to the classic 90s in 1997...what a coincidence :o) Now that Glam rap is on its way out...all that is left is Emo
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17386527/
Hip-hop faces increasing backlash
Minstrelization of the music combined with negativity equals poor sales
The Associated Press
Updated: 7:12 p.m. CT Feb 28, 2007
Hip-hop also seems to be increasingly blamed for a variety of social ills. Studies have attempted to link it to everything from teen drug use to increased sexual activity among young girls.
Even the mayhem that broke out in Las Vegas during last week’s NBA All-Star Game was blamed on hip-hoppers. “ David Stern seriously needs to consider moving the event out of the country for the next couple of years in hopes that young, hip-hop hoodlums would find another event to terrorize,” columnist Jason Whitlock, who is black, wrote on AOL.
While rap has been in essence pop music for years, and most rap consumers are white, some worry that the black community is suffering from hip-hop — from the way America perceives blacks to the attitudes and images being adopted by black youth.
But the rapper David Banner derides the growing criticism as blacks joining America’s attack on young black men who are only reflecting the crushing problems within their communities. Besides, he says, that’s the kind of music America wants to hear.
“Look at the music that gets us popular — ‘Like a Pimp,”’ he says, naming two of his hits.
“What makes it so difficult is to know that we need to be doing other things. But the truth is at least us talking about what we’re talking about, we can bring certain things to the light,” he says. “They want to shuck and jive, but they don’t want us to tell the real story because they’re connected to it.”
Creekmur says music labels have overfed the public on gangsta rap, obscuring artists who represent more positive and varied aspects of black life, like Talib Kweli, Common and Lupe Fiasco.
“It boils down to a complete lack of balance, and whenever there’s a complete lack of balance people are going to reject it, whether it’s positive or negative,” Creekmur says.
Yet Banner says there’s a reason why acts like KRS-One and Public Enemy don’t sell anymore. He recalled that even his own fans rebuffed positive songs he made — like “Cadillac on 22s,” about staying away from street life — in favor of songs like “Like a Pimp.”
“The American public had an opportunity to pick what they wanted from David Banner,” he says. “I wish America would just be honest. America is sick. ... America loves violence and sex.”
First off, Hip-Hop should not be blamed for what happened at the All-Star Game. It wasn;t even one of their players(NBA) in that Pac-Man's Jones incident who happens to a football player(Pac-Man Jones) for the Tennesee Titans. As far as moving the All-Star Game out of the country thats extreme.
As far as blaming hip-hop for the increased sexual activity again among young girls thats ridicolous. I understand the video's and lyrics in rap songs the past few years are extreme and I agree are ridiculous but young women have to be responsible for themselves.
As far as David Banners comments are concerned I understand what he's saying that some of his songs with a message didn;t do well but a song lLike a Pimp" did do well. Its not that America is sick as Mr. Banner suggests but I think songs "Like A Pimp" that teenagers maybe listen too are done just to scare their parents. I mean kids since the beggining of time always want to scare their parents with the music they listen too.
As far as white kids being most of the consumers for rap music that has been the case since the late 90's I think because rock music some of its rebellion that it had in 70's, 80's and early to mid 90's and rock music has been basically dead since 2003 thus there is no musical movement for the white kids too graviate too. Usually rock music is very innovative but the radio has a select play list with Clear Channel owning most of the stations in the country(US) and Clear Channel is not going to play anthing "complex" for their audience if you catch my drift of what I am saying. Unless Top 40 radio stagnates like it did in the early 90's when Top 40 radio was "forced" to play alternative rock basically its not going to play anything "complex".
Subject: Re: Indicators that the "classic" 2000s are finally coming to an end
Written By: tv on 03/03/07 at 1:05 pm
I agree that current glam rap is reaching the point that hair metal was in back in 1990. Remember, back then hair metal was actually still pretty popular, at least on the charts. Quite a few hair metal songs charted pretty highly then, even on into 1991 and 1992, when grunge really started to take off.
Hair metal had the same attitude that glam rap has or had lyrically but Hair Metal lyrically doesn;t make me as mad as Glam Rap does lyrically.
Subject: Re: Indicators that the "classic" 2000s are finally coming to an end
Written By: Marty McFly on 03/03/07 at 1:06 pm
I agree, people are responsible for their own actions.
Yeah, the media has always been quick to blame crimes or generally rebellious behavior - especially by younger people - on forms of entertainment. Music, in particular. The reason I think why this happens (I don't agree with it, but I can kinda see why) is that, understandably, people are upset about the crime in question (say, a school shooting, or an unwanted teen pregnancy, drive-by's), so they look for the easiest thing to blame, in looking for a way to eliminate it.
Of course though, violence and crime have existed way longer than video games, TV or music have, so that's an unproductive, stupid way to do it. One which alot of the "establishment" type authority figures still tend to latch onto.
Yeah, obscene hip hop I agree has taken over from rock as the rebellious music of choice. Which has also been there since the beginning. Teens in the '50s listened to Elvis and Little Richard to tick off their parents and the "elders", many of whom thought it was evil and corruptive.
Subject: Re: Indicators that the "classic" 2000s are finally coming to an end
Written By: Brian06 on 03/03/07 at 4:16 pm
No, 1995 rock was still big then with bands like Live, Green Day, Collective Soul, Soul Astlum, and Better Than Ezra. I think 1996 was the break even here when hip-hop started to take off in popularity with artists like Coolio, 2 Pac and Bone Thugs N' Hamrmony hitting #1 on the Billboard Hot 100 with their single "Cross roads" but rock was still pretty popular. I'd say 1997 is when hip-hop blew up in popularity after 2 Pac's and Biggie's death and than Puff Daddy topping the charts with songs like "Mo Money, More problems" "Been Around The World" and the smash hit "I'll Be Missing You" which sampled the Poilice's mega 1983 hit "Every Breath You Take". Hip Hop than did die down in popuarity but remained mainstream with artists like Ja Rule and Jay-Z when Teen-pop was big from 1999-2001. Id say 2002 was the break even year(for this decade) which I think rock was still as big as Hip-Hop but Hip-Hop did start get noticed more because of the fued between rappers Nas and Jay-Z in that year and that Nas and Jay-Z were the closest thing critically to 2Pac and Biggie respectively(since they died) music wise that hip had in 2002. 2003 was the year hip-hop blew up in popularity with 50 Cent as I said before and Lil Jon and maybe Kanye West to a smaller extent. So in conclusion Hip was big in 1997-1998 but died down in popularity from 1999-2001(rock was as popular as hip-hop) and was huge from 2003-early 2006.
"I'd agree the 2002-'05 "Bling Bling/50 Cent era" is definitely losing steam. That stuff almost seems like a joke now. In fact, I think the whole genre has kinda turned into what hair metal was around 1990, which may very well be its downfall too."
No, 2002 stuff like Vanessa Carlton, Michelle Branch, and avril Lavigne were big not hip-hop. Also, Kylie Minogue was big in the US in 2002 too with the single "Can't Getta Out Of My Head".
And Kelly Clarkson, Green Day, Lifehouse were big in 2005, and not hip-hop. Though yes, the charts were somewhat friendlier to non hip-hop before 2003. Avril is definitely back in 2007, her new video is very popular already and her song is one of the top downloaded songs on itunes, it will probably be debuting in the top 10 on the hot 100 next week. Vanessa Carlton has an album coming out with "The Inc. (formerly Murder Inc.)" believe it or not of course that means that she's probably gone somewhat hip-hop now.
Subject: Re: Indicators that the "classic" 2000s are finally coming to an end
Written By: tv on 03/03/07 at 5:47 pm
And Kelly Clarkson, Green Day, Lifehouse were big in 2005, and not hip-hop. Though yes, the charts were somewhat friendlier to non hip-hop before 2003. Avril is definitely back in 2007, her new video is very popular already and her song is one of the top downloaded songs on itunes, it will probably be debuting in the top 10 on the hot 100 next week. Vanessa Carlton has an album coming out with "The Inc. (formerly Murder Inc.)" believe it or not of course that means that she's probably gone somewhat hip-hop now.
Well in 2005 50 Cent, Kanye West , and The Game were pretty big though.
Vaneesa Carlton is with Murder Inc?That is hard to believe I don;t know if she could pull off a change of style musically like Nelly Furtado did.
Subject: Re: Indicators that the "classic" 2000s are finally coming to an end
Written By: Brian06 on 03/03/07 at 5:52 pm
Well in 2005 50 Cent, Kanye West , and The Game were pretty big though.
Vaneesa Carlton is with Murder Inc?That is hard to believe I don;t know if she could pull off a change of style musically like Nelly Furtado did.
Of course, just saying there was popular non-hip-hop music in 2005. 50 Cent was ridiculously big in 2005 (at one point he was credited on 4 songs in the top 10), similar to Usher in 2004.
Subject: Re: Indicators that the "classic" 2000s are finally coming to an end
Written By: tv on 03/03/07 at 5:53 pm
Of course, just saying there was popular non-hip-hop music in 2005. 50 Cent was ridiculously big in 2005 (at one point he was credited on 4 songs in the top 10), similar to Usher in 2004.
Uh ok.
BTW, I heard 50 Cent has a new album coming out in May so it'll be interesting to see how his album sells considering he hasn' t put anything out in 2 years I think and considering the declining state of glam rap and overall in the past year or so.
Subject: Re: Indicators that the "classic" 2000s are finally coming to an end
Written By: Brian06 on 03/03/07 at 6:37 pm
Uh ok.
BTW, I heard 50 Cent has a new album coming out in May so it'll be interesting to see how his album sells considering he hasn' t put anything out in 2 years I think and considering the declining state of glam rap and overall in the past year or so.
I doubt he could top the success of Get Rich or Die Trying or The Massacre, it'll be pretty big still. The Massacre sold 1.15 million in 4 days, don't see that happening with the new album.
Subject: Re: Indicators that the "classic" 2000s are finally coming to an end
Written By: twistedwarp on 03/03/07 at 10:00 pm
BTW, I heard 50 Cent has a new album coming out in May so it'll be interesting to see how his album sells considering he hasn' t put anything out in 2 years I think and considering the declining state of glam rap and overall in the past year or so.
Yeah Im waiting what the outcome is going to be beacuase Lloyd banks only sold 400,000 copies so far, and mobb deep and yayo albums just flopped big time. Also The Game's album sold only 1.0 mil so far (I think). not bad but not as good as his last album when he was with g-unit. I wouldnt say "Glam rap" is fading or dying beacuase theres alot of artist coming out the south. MIMS,Richboy,Young Joc,Young jeezy etc. I dont know about rock dont listen to it too much. :-\\
Subject: Re: Indicators that the "classic" 2000s are finally coming to an end
Written By: tv on 03/04/07 at 1:09 pm
BTW, I heard 50 Cent has a new album coming out in May so it'll be interesting to see how his album sells considering he hasn' t put anything out in 2 years I think and considering the declining state of glam rap and overall in the past year or so.
Yeah Im waiting what the outcome is going to be beacuase Lloyd banks only sold 400,000 copies so far, and mobb deep and yayo albums just flopped big time. Also The Game's album sold only 1.0 mil so far (I think). not bad but not as good as his last album when he was with g-unit. I wouldnt say "Glam rap" is fading or dying beacuase theres alot of artist coming out the south. MIMS,Richboy,Young Joc,Young jeezy etc. I dont know about rock dont listen to it too much. :-\\
Yeah Lloyd Banks's album really hasn't done anything. As for "The Game" he's not collobarating with 50 Cent anymore because they don;t get along anymore thus having 50 Cent not rap on some his songs with him maybe costs him album sales. "The Game" doesn;t have that commercial rap appeal that 50 Cent does either. Mobb Deeps album sales are a big diisapointment too. I think Mobb Deeps fan's accused them of selling out a few years ago when they did that song with R&B group 112 called "Anything".
As for MIMs I think he might be a one hit wonder. Young Joc and Young Jeezy have become popular in the last year or so so I agree with you there.