The US Postal Service has issued a stamp celebrating Muslim holidays!! In America!!
Did they forget 9/11?  The USS Cole? The barrack attacks in Saudi Arabia and Lebanon? The 1993 attack on the World Trade Center? ect, etc, etc?

http://www.usps.com/news/2001/philatelic/sr01_054.htm

There are many U.S. citizens who are Muslim. Just like there are many U.S. citizens who are Christian, Jewish, etc. etc. Just because one group of Muslims are terrorists does not mean that all are. By the same token, should we not have Christian holidays on stamps because of Christian groups like Jonestown, the Branch Davidians, etc?


Personally, I am glad that the P.O. are including Muslim holidays. I would also like them to include Wiccan halidays, too.



Cat

Why is this an outrage? Every December you see stamps with the Virgin Mary and Baby Jesus, and you see Hanukkah stamps also. If a person is Muslim it doesn't automatically label them a terrorist or terrorist sympathizer. While yes, the fanatical extremists have caused lots of damage.. let's look at how many other acts of violence there have been and determine what 'faith' they were.  Let us not forget the Christian Crusades, the Holocaust, the Extremist witch hunts  that killed far many more people than any of the tragedies you mentioned.. and they were all committed in the name of God.  Your rage is rather misguided and actually if I might be so frank, doesn't say a lot about your knowledge on the attacks that you've mentioned.  Bring on the postage stamps!!

Who cares, and this is from way back in August 2001! You're really on top of your news lol.

The US Postal Service has issued a stamp celebrating Muslim holidays!! In America!!
Did they forget 9/11?  The USS Cole? The barrack attacks in Saudi Arabia and Lebanon? The 1993 attack on the World Trade Center? ect, etc, etc?

http://www.usps.com/news/2001/philatelic/sr01_054.htm



You sound like a bigot.  Be quiet.

You sound like a bigot.  Be quiet.


I concur.

You sound like a bigot.  Be quiet.


uninformed does not equal bigot. 

uninformed does not equal bigot. 



I took what he said to be bigoted.  Almost that because of what the actions of a group of Muslims did, it makes the whole group bad and therefore we have no business honoring their holidays on a postage stamp.  I don't disagree with "uninformed" but I believe you can be both at the same time.

uninformed does not equal bigot. 


Chucky, this is bigotry. Don't disguise it as misinformation please.

I agree that was bigoted.  :P

I agree that was bigoted.  :P



I took what he said to be bigoted.  Almost that because of what the actions of a group of Muslims did, it makes the whole group bad and therefore we have no business honoring their holidays on a postage stamp.  I don't disagree with "uninformed" but I believe you can be both at the same time.

Chucky, this is bigotry. Don't disguise it as misinformation please.


I agree with the majority.. This is bigotry..and bigotry = ignorance.  Ignorance doesn't = bigotry as Chucky said, but Bigotry ALWAYS = Ignorance.

First of all.

Bigotry does not equal ignorance. Some people learn.. and still have exactly the same opinions.

Second.

I agree. I don't want to see Muslim holidays on stamps. I don't want to see Jewish holidays on stamps, I don't want to see Christian holidays on stamps. The post office is a government agency and I want religion as far away from the government as possible.

Division of Church and State.  I thought I was the only one who believes in that concept.  tolerance has been known to come out of bigotry. :)

First of all.

Bigotry does not equal ignorance. Some people learn.. and still have exactly the same opinions.

Second.

I agree. I don't want to see Muslim holidays on stamps. I don't want to see Jewish holidays on stamps, I don't want to see Christian holidays on stamps. The post office is a government agency and I want religion as far away from the government as possible.

If they 'learn' and still hold the same opinions, then they haven't learned. If tolerance overcomes one's formerly bigoted thoughts, then the lesson has been effective.


And the "almighty worship" of the greenback is going to keep the post office from ever changing their policy on selling Jesus and Mary in December. They probably sell more stamps in November and December than any other months of the year. So if they can sell Jesus in December, then let them sell Ramadan stamps whenever Ramadan is.. and any other stamps they want to sell. If there is a customer who's buying them, why not?

First of all.

Bigotry does not equal ignorance. Some people learn.. and still have exactly the same opinions.

Second.

I agree. I don't want to see Muslim holidays on stamps. I don't want to see Jewish holidays on stamps, I don't want to see Christian holidays on stamps. The post office is a government agency and I want religion as far away from the government as possible.


Good point, Davey!!!  ;)

First of all.

Bigotry does not equal ignorance. Some people learn.. and still have exactly the same opinions.



If someone learns, and refuses to change their opinions, that's even worse.  They are an even bigger bigot.  And some other words that Chucky won't let me use.


Of course Muslims should have stamps.  One of the most famous terror organizations in the world is the Mafia, and most of them are Catholic.  You never hear anyone yelling about that. 

If someone learns, and refuses to change their opinions, that's even worse.  They are an even bigger bigot.  And some other words that Chucky won't let me use.


Of course Muslims should have stamps.  One of the most famous terror organizations in the world is the Mafia, and most of them are Catholic.  You never hear anyone yelling about that. 

THANK YOU ! that was my point in my first post. If you take all these other acts of violence anywhere in the world and judge the acts solely based on  what religion they are... then You're gonna have a whole lotta 'christians'.

THANK YOU ! that was my point in my first post. If you take all these other acts of violence anywhere in the world and judge the acts solely based on  what religion they are... then You're gonna have a whole lotta 'christians'.


I know - it just kills me that people don't get it.  I guess ignorance really is bliss.  ::)

I know - it just kills me that people don't get it.  I guess ignorance really is bliss.   ::)



I always say.. "Do you want to stay in that ignorant little box or do you want to come out and learn?" " Wake Up!"

First of all.

Bigotry does not equal ignorance. Some people learn.. and still have exactly the same opinions.

Second.

I agree. I don't want to see Muslim holidays on stamps. I don't want to see Jewish holidays on stamps, I don't want to see Christian holidays on stamps. The post office is a government agency and I want religion as far away from the government as possible.


Aaaaaaaamen.

Who cares? If the government is going to shove religion on us, it might as well be all of them.

And this article is from 2001, why even bring it up now?

I wanted to mention I love that avatar of yours. That baby is so dang cute! ^
:)

uninformed does not equal bigot. 

That's half the recipe, just add:

http://www.rotten.com/library/bio/entertainers/pundits/rush-limbaugh/limbaugh.jpg

Don't try to think.  It will only confuse you.
Just listen to me, my friends, because I am right!

I wanted to mention I love that avatar of yours. That baby is so dang cute! ^
:)


He'd thank you, but Rice_Cube is putting him down for bed. :D



That's half the recipe, just add:

http://www.rotten.com/library/bio/entertainers/pundits/rush-limbaugh/limbaugh.jpg

Don't try to think.  It will only confuse you.
Just listen to me, my friends, because I am right!



Godammit, Max, I'm trying to get drunk WITHOUT throwing up. Refrain from posting fugly pictures. :D

He'd thank you, but Rice_Cube is putting him down for bed. :D


Godammit, Max, I'm trying to get drunk WITHOUT throwing up. Refrain from posting fugly pictures. :D


Just don't mix it with OxyContin, like Rush does!
http://www.inthe00s.com/smile/12/drunken_smilie.gif

Just don't mix it with OxyContin, like Rush does!
http://www.inthe00s.com/smile/12/drunken_smilie.gif


Hells no. Just me and the George Dickel. ;D

I agree. I don't want to see Muslim holidays on stamps. I don't want to see Jewish holidays on stamps, I don't want to see Christian holidays on stamps. The post office is a government agency and I want religion as far away from the government as possible.
I agree.

Just don't mix it with OxyContin, like Rush does!
http://www.inthe00s.com/smile/12/drunken_smilie.gif

it's a cheap high, but a good one!  :D

First of all.

Bigotry does not equal ignorance. Some people learn.. and still have exactly the same opinions.

Second.

I agree. I don't want to see Muslim holidays on stamps. I don't want to see Jewish holidays on stamps, I don't want to see Christian holidays on stamps. The post office is a government agency and I want religion as far away from the government as possible.

I just had a thought for the religiously inclined--do you really want to see your prophet, your savior, your revered ancestor, or your spiritual teacher blotted out with the postman's cancellation mark?  Smacks of sacrilege to me!
http://www.inthe00s.com/smile/14/nono.gif

tell it to the Pope! :P

If they 'learn' and still hold the same opinions, then they haven't learned. If tolerance overcomes one's formerly bigoted thoughts, then the lesson has been effective.


I'm not sure you're understanding what I'm saying here.

So, by being informed, you like something?

I dislike Islam. Alot. But.. I actually went and did my research and read up on a lot of what is the Koran.. now, here's the deal with Islam. The Koran is.. as they say, a peaceful book. However, the teachings of Mohammed himself are not. That is the problem as far as Islam is concerned. If the Muslims could get over the prophet and concentrate on the word of Allah then they'd be in a much better shape.

I'm informed, but I'd still say I am a bigot when it comes to Islam. I don't like it.. at all.


Of course Muslims should have stamps.  One of the most famous terror organizations in the world is the Mafia, and most of them are Catholic.  You never hear anyone yelling about that. 


I've never seen these mafia stamps. Ash.. you're telling me.. as somebody from Utah (ahem!) that you want to see ANY religion involved with ANY government agency. Come on.


Aaaaaaaamen.


Not amen.. yes sir will do.


I agree.


Right!


I just had a thought for the religiously inclined--do you really want to see your prophet, your savior, your revered ancestor, or your spiritual teacher blotted out with the postman's cancellation mark?  Smacks of sacrilege to me!
http://www.inthe00s.com/smile/14/nono.gif


Furthermore.. do you want a fat guy named Hank licking the back of your prophet's head?

I'll be applying to the USPS to have a stamp issued commemorating my church.

The stamp will show a coiled rattlesake to commemorate our practice of the ancient ritual of snake handling.  True believers never get bitten.

.

The stamp will show a coiled rattlesake to commemorate our practice of the ancient ritual of snake handling.  True believers never get bitten.



That seems backward to me.  Shouldn't it be true believers never bite?

I agree. I don't want to see Muslim holidays on stamps. I don't want to see Jewish holidays on stamps, I don't want to see Christian holidays on stamps. The post office is a government agency and I want religion as far away from the government as possible.



You have a valid point. However because the P.O. DOES have Christian holidays on its stamps, I think it should also have stamps for other religion holidays.


Contrary to what many believe, the U.S. is NOT a Christian nation. It is made up of many different religions. If they are going to honor one, they have to honor them all OR not honor any of them.



Cat

You have a valid point. However because the P.O. DOES have Christian holidays on its stamps, I think it should also have stamps for other religion holidays.


Contrary to what many believe, the U.S. is NOT a Christian nation. It is made up of many different religions. If they are going to honor one, they have to honor them all OR not honor any of them.


I do see the argument here.

The only reason I can even accept there being Christian holidays on stamps is that as a nation we celebrate christmas (or the vast majority of us do) which is a Christian holiday. That being said.. stick a christmas tree on a stamp. Not Jesus 'Millions have died because of me' Christ.

I do see the argument here.

The only reason I can even accept there being Christian holidays on stamps is that as a nation we celebrate christmas (or the vast majority of us do) which is a Christian holiday. That being said.. stick a christmas tree on a stamp. Not Jesus 'Millions have died because of me' Christ.



I can see that-objects rather than people. A Christmas tree (or Hanukkah bush  ;) ), a menorah, the Hajj, the Pentagram, etc. etc. Of course with Islam, it is sacrilege to have a pic of Mohammad.



Cat

Of course with Islam, it is sacrilege to have a pic of Mohammad.


Well.. not according to the Koran. It's Mohammad's teachings that claim that.

That's a different topic, I just like to harp on about that point.

..and yes, it would be more acceptable to have objects instead of people. Everybody has seen candles and such like before.

How about just the icons?


http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:SNupDzKTalq6HM:http://www.bbc.co.uk/health/images/300/religions.jpg


Of course they forgot this one:


http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:2RErbk1tyx13DM:http://paranormal.se/images/symbol/pentagram.png



Cat

How about just the icons?


http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:SNupDzKTalq6HM:http://www.bbc.co.uk/health/images/300/religions.jpg


Of course they forgot this one:


http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:2RErbk1tyx13DM:http://paranormal.se/images/symbol/pentagram.png



Cat


Nah, iconography is essentially the same thing as religious figures.

..and they forgot another one.

http://www.esbenboye.dk/diverse/imgs/pentagram.jpg

Nah, iconography is essentially the same thing as religious figures.

..and they forgot another one.

http://www.esbenboye.dk/diverse/imgs/pentagram.jpg



You can create that by putting stamp upside down (which ironically means "I love you"). You create the same effect by put a cross stamp upside down, too.



Cat

I'm not sure you're understanding what I'm saying here.

So, by being informed, you like something?





gaining information about something and acceptance to 'agree to disagree' is known as TOLERANCE. You don't have to like something or agree with something , but alas, you live and let live.
Gaining information about something and continuing on with inflammatory, provocative outbursts, that only shows one side of the coin, well that's still bigotry. You said you researched Islam and still don't like it. But did you go on to research the opposing religions as well ? In all actuality Judaism, Christianity and I'm sure other religions also, have their darker seamier sides also. Some Christians will yell that the Jews killed Jesus, while  some Jews will say Jesus is a blasphemer. And they will stand by that one sole point to carry on their intolerance for each other. But if you research both religions, neither has room to point fingers at each other. You yourself said you read about islam and still consider yourself a bigot against them.

As for your earlier point, yes, technically the USPS shouldn't be selling any Religious stamps... as they are a government agency.. but you know, they  have that whole prayer in school thing they are dealing with right now.. they are WAY TOO BUSY to be worried about some 39cent postage stamp image.
As for me , I don't care one way or another who's on the postage stamp, as long as it's gonna get my mail delivered.

And one other thing.. at Christmas time, they give you a choice of stamps to buy.. You can buy the secular ones (images of Snowmen, Polarbears, etc) or you can buy the Religious ones (Madonna and Child, etc) .

How about just the icons?


http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:SNupDzKTalq6HM:http://www.bbc.co.uk/health/images/300/religions.jpg


Of course they forgot this one:


http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:2RErbk1tyx13DM:http://paranormal.se/images/symbol/pentagram.png



Cat

Is there a significance in the difference in colors of the pentagram. Cat's was shown with a white background, in black. and Davey's is shown in white with a black background. Does that signify  a difference in "White Magic" vs "Black Magic" or does it mean something else? or isn't there any significance at all?

Is there a significance in the difference in colors of the pentagram. Cat's was shown with a white background, in black. and Davey's is shown in white with a black background. Does that signify  a difference in "White Magic" vs "Black Magic" or does it mean something else? or isn't there any significance at all?



I supposed the background can be seen as having significance but there really is any (I have a rug with the Pentigram that is all black except for the Pentigram itself). The significance is that the "head" point is either at the top or the bottom. With it up, it represents the Goddess, with it down, it represents the devil. Same thing with an upside down cross.



Cat

You can create that by putting stamp upside down (which ironically means "I love you"). You create the same effect by put a cross stamp upside down, too.



Cat


Does the post office not care if people stick stamps upside down?


gaining information about something and acceptance to 'agree to disagree' is known as TOLERANCE. You don't have to like something or agree with something , but alas, you live and let live.
Gaining information about something and continuing on with inflammatory, provocative outbursts, that only shows one side of the coin, well that's still bigotry. You said you researched Islam and still don't like it. But did you go on to research the opposing religions as well ? In all actuality Judaism, Christianity and I'm sure other religions also, have their darker seamier sides also. Some Christians will yell that the Jews killed Jesus, while  some Jews will say Jesus is a blasphemer. And they will stand by that one sole point to carry on their intolerance for each other. But if you research both religions, neither has room to point fingers at each other. You yourself said you read about islam and still consider yourself a bigot against them.

As for your earlier point, yes, technically the USPS shouldn't be selling any Religious stamps... as they are a government agency.. but you know, they  have that whole prayer in school thing they are dealing with right now.. they are WAY TOO BUSY to be worried about some 39cent postage stamp image.
As for me , I don't care one way or another who's on the postage stamp, as long as it's gonna get my mail delivered.

And one other thing.. at Christmas time, they give you a choice of stamps to buy.. You can buy the secular ones (images of Snowmen, Polarbears, etc) or you can buy the Religious ones (Madonna and Child, etc) .


You're right. All religions have their underbellys.. I am not a fan of any monotheistic religion. I feel they all breed hatred and.. shockingly.. bigotry. As for your definitions, again, I'd say you're correct, but I do feel that you can be informed and bigoted. There are many people that know about things but continue to 'spin' them as it were.

Again, I agree. I think that getting prayer out of schools is more important than getting religious symbols off stamps, but that dosen't mean I want them there.

AND.. yes, I know you can buy secular stamps, I have on several occasions.

First of all.

Bigotry does not equal ignorance. Some people learn.. and still have exactly the same opinions.

Second.

I agree. I don't want to see Muslim holidays on stamps. I don't want to see Jewish holidays on stamps, I don't want to see Christian holidays on stamps. The post office is a government agency and I want religion as far away from the government as possible.


Well yer one of them "secular progressives then", well, you'll have to pry my blatantly religious stamps from my cold, dead hands!

Well yer one of them "secular progressives then", well, you'll have to pry my blatantly religious stamps from my cold, dead hands!


'Hey look, the second coming'