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all the nominees are cool picks, but I have to wonder why KISS has been passed over for seven years now.

I'm of course disappointed Duran Duran didn't get a nod this year, but not surprised either.

KISS? Rush? They don't deserve to be nominated into the RnRHOF. At least not while Grandmaster Flash isn't in. I mean c'mon, whose done more for rock than The Furious Five? ::) Perhaps next year they can nominate Menudo.

KISS? Rush? They don't deserve to be nominated into the RnRHOF. At least not while Grandmaster Flash isn't in. I mean c'mon, whose done more for rock than The Furious Five? ::) Perhaps next year they can nominate Menudo.


I think what many people fail to understand is that the RNRHOF comprises itself of all genres where rock has stemmed from (e.g. blues, soul, r&b) and where it's headed (alternative, rap). It's not a pure rock hall of fame b/c honestly there's no such thing. Rock is a child of many lineages.

I'm calling these as inductees: Grandmaster Flash and his outfit, the Furious Five, R.E.M., The Ronettes, Joe Tex, and Van Halen. Let's see if I'm correct.

KISS? Rush? They don't deserve to be nominated into the RnRHOF. At least not while Grandmaster Flash isn't in. I mean c'mon, whose done more for rock than The Furious Five? ::) Perhaps next year they can nominate Menudo.


I'm glad Rush didn't get a nod.  The only hall of fame they belong in is the "crappy bands that somehow became popular" hall of fame ;D

(I can't stand Rush, so don't mind me.  I just like making fun of them whenever I can lol)

If they admit The Stooges and Patti Smith, I won't b*tch!

R-E-M was of course going to get nominated, but they're too boring for me to care less.

I know this will raise ire among some, but IMO Kiss deserves squat!
::)

(I can't stand Rush, so don't mind me.  I just like making fun of them whenever I can lol)


My hatred of Rush is strong, we must discuss assasination plots.

I'm thinking Van Halen HAVE to go in, so do the Stooges and REM.
Then you'd think Patti Smith and the Dave Clark Five.

Crue should be in there soon!

KISS should be in there.  You may not like their music, but what they've done for pop culture is tremendous.  I don't know if Rush should be there, though.  They had what.....one song most people can identify on the radio if they hear it?  Obviously if you're into Rush you'll know more than one song, but if you're just a listener to classic rock radio, you'll know Tom Sawyer and I bet that's it. 

It's time to induct more members to the Rock And Roll Hall Of Shame. The concept may
be right but whatever the selection committee is doing is way wrong. These bands are in,
The Talking Heads, The Clash, ZZ Top, and The Pretenders, has there ever been a more
aptly named band? What have these bands done to achieve hall of fame status. Like them
or not, Kiss along with Alice Cooper changed the way live performances were staged. Bands
like ELP, Yes, Jethro Tull were pioneers of the progressive movement and who gets nominated,
Van Stinking Halen. I was there for Van Halen's First album, I saw Van Halen open for Black Sabbath
when Van Halen were newcomers. I said wow, these guys are great. Trouble is, they've done
nothing different since then. Led Zeppelin wrote a song that fits these guys to a tee. " The
Song Remains The Same." I ask, what have they done to deserve this status?

I find the RnRHoF hokey and incosnequential. 
I won't respect it until they put the Dead Kennedys in there!
8)

My hatred of Rush is strong, we must discuss assasination plots.

I'm thinking Van Halen HAVE to go in, so do the Stooges and REM.
Then you'd think Patti Smith and the Dave Clark Five.

Crue should be in there soon!


If Motley Crue make it into the HOF before KISS it will only prove just how assanine the people who organize this garbage are. On second thought, who needs proof? They're no smarter than the idiots who vote for the grammys.


KISS should be in there.  You may not like their music, but what they've done for pop culture is tremendous.  I don't know if Rush should be there, though.  They had what.....one song most people can identify on the radio if they hear it?  Obviously if you're into Rush you'll know more than one song, but if you're just a listener to classic rock radio, you'll know Tom Sawyer and I bet that's it. 


23 Gold albums, 14 Platinum (3 multi Platinum). Sorry, I think Rush have contributed a bit more to rock n roll then Grandmaster Flash. I think you're bang on about KISS though. I don't really like their music, but ask just about any rock musician who they were influenced by, and more often then not you'll hear KISS.


I think what many people fail to understand is that the RNRHOF comprises itself of all genres where rock has stemmed from (e.g. blues, soul, r&b) and where it's headed (alternative, rap). It's not a pure rock hall of fame b/c honestly there's no such thing. Rock is a child of many lineages.


Yes, it comprises itself of all genres where rock has stemmed from. But it's still rock. You can't connect rock with rap just because a rapper is influenced by r&b, and a rock musician is influenced by the blues. They're creating two entirely different types of music. If they wanted to include everyone, they should have named it the Hall Of Fame of Music.

Yes, it comprises itself of all genres where rock has stemmed from. But it's still rock. You can't connect rock with rap just because a rapper is influenced by r&b, and a rock musician is influenced by the blues. They're creating two entirely different types of music. If they wanted to include everyone, they should have named it the Hall Of Fame of Music.


Well, Rock is the umbrella and everything else is subgenre. Should they change the name? Yes, but I think you will continue to breathe if they don't. The semantics really aren't all that important  ;). Quite frankly, music is supposed to unite, not divide. All the further categorizing of music negates that point.

My hatred of Rush is strong, we must discuss assasination plots.



Count me in.  I lived in Indiana and Illinois for 20 years and you RARELY heard Rush.

Then I move back to Pittsburgh and WDVE plays them all the time.  ::)  I would not be surprised if their record label pays for air time.  ???

23 Gold albums, 14 Platinum (3 multi Platinum). Sorry, I think Rush have contributed a bit more to rock n roll then Grandmaster Flash. I think you're bang on about KISS though. I don't really like their music, but ask just about any rock musician who they were influenced by, and more often then not you'll hear KISS.


Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five were some of the first real successful rap artists back in the very early 80s.  Take a listen to "The Message".....that song started rap on the course that it is now.  If not for that song and that group, rap might have been relegated to merely party music, like the Sugarhill Gang.  They were far more influential than you think. 

I don't know if the same could be said for Rush.

The Stooges? F*ck yeah!

If not for that song and that group, rap might have been relegated to merely party music, like the Sugarhill Gang.  They were far more influential than you think. 

I don't know if the same could be said for Rush.


Yes the same could be said for Rush. Geddy is quite the rapper, nobody can beat box quite like Alex, and with Neil on the turntable they were quite fresh. ;) Like Tanya said, it's semantics at this point. I know how important GF and the Furious Five were to rap. My whole point was that they weren't rock, so they shouldn't be in the RnRHOF. That's all.

I'm of course disappointed Duran Duran didn't get a nod this year, but not surprised either.


But when did they first make any impact in The States?  Was it as early as 1981?

The Talking Heads, The Clash, ZZ Top, and The Pretenders. What have these bands done to achieve hall of fame status.


Released countless superb records, played to millions live around the world, made great efforts to push music forward... ya know.. played.. real freakin good.

Yes.. in the RARHOF... HAHAHAHAHA! Dude, Yes.... No.


If Motley Crue make it into the HOF before KISS it will only prove just how assanine the people who organize this garbage are. On second thought, who needs proof? They're no smarter than the idiots who vote for the grammys.

23 Gold albums, 14 Platinum (3 multi Platinum). Sorry, I think Rush have contributed a bit more to rock n roll then Grandmaster Flash. I think you're bang on about KISS though. I don't really like their music, but ask just about any rock musician who they were influenced by, and more often then not you'll hear KISS.


I'm not a Kiss fan, but yeah, they should be in there. I'm not a kiss fan, because the music I listen to and grew up with wasn't kiss.. it was the next step forwards. But I'm not blind, I know Kiss paved the way for a lot of people. Hell, my main fuc.kin man, Dimebag, was the biggest Kiss fan in the Universe.

But Rush.. no..just, no.
I won't respect it until they put the Dead Kennedys in there!
8)


Gotta agree with that.

Here's a point for you all.

Iron Maiden played to the biggest audience EVER! Have sold hundreds of millions of records to people from every walk of life. Have created some of the most timeless masterpieces music has ever seen. Are still fresh and innovative 30 years after they started playing, are still touring all over the world. Have gone on some of the biggest grossing and longest tours in the history of music.. and yet, they're not in the hall of fame.

Iron Maiden played to the biggest audience EVER! Have sold hundreds of millions of records to people from every walk of life. Have created some of the most timeless masterpieces music has ever seen. Are still fresh and innovative 30 years after they started playing, are still touring all over the world. Have gone on some of the biggest grossing and longest tours in the history of music.. and yet, they're not in the hall of fame.

Biggest audience ever?  When was that?
Is Black Sabbath in there yet?  Both Sabbath and Maiden merit a place in the RRHoF for their contributions to the Heavy Metal genre.  They both set standards for Heavy Metal and its sub-genres since the '70s.  Often imitated, rarely duplicated.  You can quibble about genres, but I don't consider either Kiss or Motley Crue to be 'metal.  Kiss is definitely "hard rock," but they're too glam to be 'metal.  Crue is glam rock as well, though Mick Mars did give their sound some Heavy Metal chops.  Without Mick Mars, Crue would have been like the L.A. Guns or Quiet Riot or something!
:P

I also think GG Allin should be inducted, with a special room dedicated to GG because "with GG Allin, you don't get what you want, you get what you deserve!"

Biggest audience ever?  When was that?
Is Black Sabbath in there yet?  Both Sabbath and Maiden merit a place in the RRHoF for their contributions to the Heavy Metal genre.  They both set standards for Heavy Metal and its sub-genres since the '70s.  Often imitated, rarely duplicated.  You can quibble about genres, but I don't consider either Kiss or Motley Crue to be 'metal.  Kiss is definitely "hard rock," but they're too glam to be 'metal.  Crue is glam rock as well, though Mick Mars did give their sound some Heavy Metal chops.  Without Mick Mars, Crue would have been like the L.A. Guns or Quiet Riot or something!
:P

I also think GG Allin should be inducted, with a special room dedicated to GG because "with GG Allin, you don't get what you want, you get what you deserve!"


Rock in Rio dude.

Yeah Kiss and Crue aren't really metal. Kiss is just poppy rock with good technical skill. Crue is borderline metal, but they just don't have the substance.

Where the hell is Motorhead?!!?!

I find the RnRHoF hokey and incosnequential. 
I won't respect it until they put the Dead Kennedys in there!
8)


Or Leo Sayer...

Yes the same could be said for Rush. Geddy is quite the rapper, nobody can beat box quite like Alex, and with Neil on the turntable they were quite fresh. ;) Like Tanya said, it's semantics at this point. I know how important GF and the Furious Five were to rap. My whole point was that they weren't rock, so they shouldn't be in the RnRHOF. That's all.




But without rock and roll there'd be no rap.  The same as without rockabilly and the blues, there'd be no rock and roll.  So it makes sense that those genres would be honored there.  At the end of the day, it's about great music.  Who cares if not just "rock" artists are admitted?

Is Black Sabbath in there yet?


Yes, they were inducted in the last batch...


Where the hell is Motorhead?!!?!

Scanning through the past inductees (as you do), I seem to sense a pattern of 'US mainstream success' attached to all the chosen ones (with the notable exceptions of Bob Marley, The Pistols and Sabbath...see below)...

For all their notable successes, both 'Head and Maiden have never really gotten that much of a comparative toe-hold in the US, which may, just may, have some bearing on it...

So why Sabbath?

Perhaps the success of 'The Osbournes' may have helped... ;)

Or Leo Sayer...

Paul, I love you more than I can say...
:-\\

But without rock and roll there'd be no rap.  The same as without rockabilly and the blues, there'd be no rock and roll.  So it makes sense that those genres would be honored there.  At the end of the day, it's about great music.  Who cares if not just "rock" artists are admitted?


I do. Tell ya what, since rap wouldn't be around if it weren't for RnR, then I think it would be appropriate for Buddy Holly, Bill Haley, and Chuck Berry to be honored by the Hip Hop Hall Of Fame.

Like I said. I don't think Grandmaster Flash should be inducted simply because he is not Rock n Roll, period. I don't care if he was influenced by the blues, bagpipe music, or fisherman's shanties. He did not play rock n roll.
Oh yeah. Where the hell is Maiden in all of this? Oh well, can't please em all, least of all me.

Yes, they were inducted in the last batch...

Scanning through the past inductees (as you do), I seem to sense a pattern of 'US mainstream success' attached to all the chosen ones (with the notable exceptions of Bob Marley, The Pistols and Sabbath...see below)...

For all their notable successes, both 'Head and Maiden have never really gotten that much of a comparative toe-hold in the US, which may, just may, have some bearing on it...

So why Sabbath?

Perhaps the success of 'The Osbournes' may have helped... ;)

Osbournes or not, Sabbath should be there on merit.  You can segue a Sabbath song with present-day Death Metal/Black Metal/Doom Metal and it fits right in.  Doesn't sound dated at all.  That's how prescient and influential Sabbath was.  I say so, and I don't even like 'metal personally! 

The Sex Pistols deserve to be in the RRHoF only because of their influence.  The Pistols were a catalyst for a lot of great music, even though they themselves suuuuuucked bigtime!  John Lydon turned out to be an interesting and creative guy.  PIL's great!  The rest of the Pistols weren't worth their weight in sh*t.  I like the Sid Vicious phenomenon because it proves you can become a cultural icon even if you're a stupid thug who can't do anything and die at 22 of a heroin O.D.
:P

R.E.M.!

R.E.M.!

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I do. Tell ya what, since rap wouldn't be around if it weren't for RnR, then I think it would be appropriate for Buddy Holly, Bill Haley, and Chuck Berry to be honored by the Hip Hop Hall Of Fame.

Like I said. I don't think Grandmaster Flash should be inducted simply because he is not Rock n Roll, period. I don't care if he was influenced by the blues, bagpipe music, or fisherman's shanties. He did not play rock n roll.
Oh yeah. Where the hell is Maiden in all of this? Oh well, can't please em all, least of all me.


You are entitled to your opinion but don't negate the history of rock, or else you truly don't get the music at all. Iron Maiden was inducted in the British Music Hall of Fame, btw.

You are entitled to your opinion but don't negate the history of rock, or else you truly don't get the music at all. Iron Maiden was inducted in the British Music Hall of Fame, btw.


Oh spare me. Nowhere in my post did I negate the history of rock. By saying Rap music is the evolution of rock, I think that you are the one who doesn't get the music at all. Unless of course you can explain to me, without talking about his influences, or the rappers he influenced, just what contribution Grandmaster Flash made to the rock scene. Other than sampling other people's work of course.

Iron Maiden was inducted in the British Music Hall of Fame, btw.


DAMN STRAIGHT!


Yes, they were inducted in the last batch...

Scanning through the past inductees (as you do), I seem to sense a pattern of 'US mainstream success' attached to all the chosen ones (with the notable exceptions of Bob Marley, The Pistols and Sabbath...see below)...

For all their notable successes, both 'Head and Maiden have never really gotten that much of a comparative toe-hold in the US, which may, just may, have some bearing on it...

So why Sabbath?

Perhaps the success of 'The Osbournes' may have helped... ;)


You are correct there Paul.

But I think even without The Osbournes show, Sabbath would have been put in.

Released countless superb records, played to millions live around the world, made great efforts to push music forward... ya know.. played.. real freakin good.

Yes.. in the RARHOF... HAHAHAHAHA! Dude, Yes.... No.


Typical response from someone who doesn't like a particular style of music, "Because I like Them," shouldn't
be a criteria for induction. Nowhere in the Rock And Roll Hall Of Shame is progressive rock represented. I don't
think ELP or Yes really deserve to be there, but they deserve it more than the Talking Heads.

People forget what a Hall Of Fame means. The majority of inductees don't deserve to be there. The Beatles,
The Rolling Stones, Led Zeppelin, Elvis Presley deserve the status of Hall Of Famers. Are you really putting The
Pretenders in the same category as The Beatles?

Oh spare me. Nowhere in my post did I negate the history of rock. By saying Rap music is the evolution of rock, I think that you are the one who doesn't get the music at all. Unless of course you can explain to me, without talking about his influences, or the rappers he influenced, just what contribution Grandmaster Flash made to the rock scene. Other than sampling other people's work of course.




For the record, he has influenced many, oh close-minded one. In fact, Duran Duran covered "White Lines". As for sampling other people's work, Rock is built around stealing riffs and chords from everyone. It's the one genre that is overwhelming incestrous.

Typical response from someone who doesn't like a particular style of music, "Because I like Them," shouldn't
be a criteria for induction. Nowhere in the Rock And Roll Hall Of Shame is progressive rock represented. I don't
think ELP or Yes really deserve to be there, but they deserve it more than the Talking Heads.

People forget what a Hall Of Fame means. The majority of inductees don't deserve to be there. The Beatles,
The Rolling Stones, Led Zeppelin, Elvis Presley deserve the status of Hall Of Famers. Are you really putting The
Pretenders in the same category as The Beatles?

The Beatles are a stand-alone.  Can't touch 'em.  But listen, man, the Pretnders are a great band.  If you make the RRHoF and exclusive club for icons, then you might as well close nominations for good.  All the universally recognized rock icons are in there already.
Now, I don't want to see Great White in there, there are limits!  I do think Depeche Mode should be nominated next year.  Let the synth-pop haters scream all they want.  Every artist is going to have its detractors.  Kiss probably merits a RRHoF induction for their accomplishments, it's just that I personally can't stand them!

For the record, he has influenced many, oh close-minded one. In fact, Duran Duran covered "White Lines". As for sampling other people's work, Rock is built around stealing riffs and chords from everyone. It's the one genre that is overwhelming incestrous.



And IMO, there is a huge difference between listening to Willie Dixon then penning Whole Lotta Love, and putting another persons album on a turntable and scratching it.

People forget what a Hall Of Fame means. The majority of inductees don't deserve to be there. The Beatles,
The Rolling Stones, Led Zeppelin, Elvis Presley deserve the status of Hall Of Famers. Are you really putting The
Pretenders in the same category as The Beatles?


No, The Pretenders are much better than those scouse pricks.

By your definition then.. if somebody isn't as good a Ball player as Babe Ruth, they shouldn't be in Cooperstown.  ???

And IMO, there is a huge difference between listening to Willie Dixon then penning Whole Lotta Love, and putting another persons album on a turntable and scratching it.




The difference is only in the implementation, my friend. But thanks for bringing up Whole Lotta Love, which is one of my favorite Zeppelin tracks.

By your definition then.. if somebody isn't as good a Ball player as Babe Ruth, they shouldn't be in Cooperstown.  ???


This is not what I'm saying at all, but are you saying someone of Scott Rolens caliber should be
in Cooperstown?

It seems they are so anxious to put people in that they are selecting bands who are average at best.
Walk down the street and ask people, from teens to seniors, who the Stones are and I'm pretty sure
they'll know who you are talking about. I'm not so sure the same can be said about The Pretenders.

Look at the list of inductees, is there anyone on the list you think don't belong? Look at the players
in Cooperstown, Anyone there don't belong? I think the Rock And Roll list will be quite longer than
that of baseball. Like I've said before, I think any Hall Of Fame should reserved for those exeptional
in their field, those who change the way things are done. Not those who are slightly above average.

And IMO, there is a huge difference between listening to Willie Dixon then penning Whole Lotta Love, and putting another persons album on a turntable and scratching it.






I'm not a fan of rap either, but I'm not close-minded enough to deny the influence it's had on popular music and popular culture.  I've seen footage of Grandmaster Flash in action, and if you think what he does is easy......go ahead and give it a try. 

I'm not a fan of rap either, but I'm not close-minded enough to deny the influence it's had on popular music and popular culture.  I've seen footage of Grandmaster Flash in action, and if you think what he does is easy......go ahead and give it a try. 


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>=O R.E.M.

This is not what I'm saying at all, but are you saying someone of Scott Rolens caliber should be
in Cooperstown?

It seems they are so anxious to put people in that they are selecting bands who are average at best.
Walk down the street and ask people, from teens to seniors, who the Stones are and I'm pretty sure
they'll know who you are talking about. I'm not so sure the same can be said about The Pretenders.

Look at the list of inductees, is there anyone on the list you think don't belong? Look at the players
in Cooperstown, Anyone there don't belong? I think the Rock And Roll list will be quite longer than
that of baseball. Like I've said before, I think any Hall Of Fame should reserved for those exeptional
in their field, those who change the way things are done. Not those who are slightly above average.



Well, as a Cardinals fan.. and a fan of great baseball then yes, Scott Rolen is a Hall of Famer. He's been the best Third Baseman in the National League for several years and in the age of the shortstop was the shining light of the corner. Regardless.. I do see what you mean.

The problem with what you're saying is this, those sorts of bands come around once every decade maybe.. you might get a couple. In the last 25 years I can think of maybe 7 or 8 bands/artists at a REAL push that could fit that mold.
Nirvana, Metallica, Bruce Springsteen, Guns n' Roses, U2, Madonna, Michael Jackson and Duran Duran.

I understand what you're saying here, that a hall of fame should really be for the greats, but come on.. Is Greg Maddux a great.. we all know he's going to the hall.

I'm not the biggest fan of the Pretenders in the world. I think they're a very good band who sold a lot of records, had some great hits and entertained a lot of people. I think there are more deserving bands, but the music industry has always placed image over talent. I think when it comes down to it, that's what is happening here.

In my opinion Diamond Head have done far more for music in general than 95% of bands we could all mention. You realize that Diamond Head and the other early NWOBHM pioneers led the way for Thrash Metal, which led the way to Hair and glam metal. They led the way for shredding pioneers like Van Halen and Pantera. Sorry, but without Diamond Head, there would be no Motley Crue, there would be no Van Halen, there would be no Nirvana.
But here's the thing. Diamond Head never sold that many records, they never played in front of 200,000. They never had number one hit after number one hit and thus.. eventually, they'll be lost in the forgotten fibres of history like so many others.

In all honesty, all the Rock & Roll hall of fame is.. is a platform to apply greater ass kissing leverage. But ya know what, it's fun and we get to hear some cool songs at the induction ceremony.

^..I used Scott Rolen as an example knowing you're a Cardinals fan. A well above average ballplayer,
but an overwhelming choice for the Hall?

If mediocrity or slightly above is honored in the Hall, what is left for the truely exceptional? This was my
point, I agree with what you say about image. MTV and VH1 are a huge promoter of image. There is
a large number of talented artist from the 60's and 70's who will get left behind because they didn't
have the TV exposure.

I'm not a fan of rap either, but I'm not close-minded enough to deny the influence it's had on popular music and popular culture.  I've seen footage of Grandmaster Flash in action, and if you think what he does is easy......go ahead and give it a try. 


Ummmm please indulge me. If you can point out exactly where in my post I said it was easy to do what Grandmaster Flash does, you'll get a big gold star miss openmindedness.

I never denied his influence on pop music, or pop culture. People like him and Afrika Bambaataa took hip hop to places no one else even dreamed about. ya know, hip hop, Hip Hop, HIP HOP. As in NOT ROCK.

Something tells me that when a young child first played The Message on their hi-fi, they didn't run out to the pawn shop or beg their parents to buy them a new guitar so they could learn how to play it. Yet a band like Deep Purple is still not inducted. Of course it's not like anyone ever picked up a guitar and tried to play Smoke On The Water. ::)

Deep Purple - 2007 Hip Hop Hall of Fame inductees... Catch the fever!!

Ummmm please indulge me. If you can point out exactly where in my post I said it was easy to do what Grandmaster Flash does, you'll get a big gold star miss openmindedness.

I never denied his influence on pop music, or pop culture. People like him and Afrika Bambaataa took hip hop to places no one else even dreamed about.

But something tells me that when a young child first played The Message on their hi-fi, they didn't run out to the pawn shop or beg their parents to buy them a new guitar so they could learn how to play it. Yet a band like Deep Purple is still not inducted. Of course it's not like anyone ever picked up a guitar and tried to play Smoke On The Water. ::)

Deep Purple - 2007 Hip Hop Hall of Fame inductees... Catch the fever!!






You said that it didn't take much skill to go up to a turntable and scratch a record.  Is that or is that not the same as saying that what hip-hop/rap DJs do isn't that hard?  To me, that's saying that it's rather easy and that anyone can do it.  So I told you to watch some footage of Grandmaster Flash or even DJ Spinderella and tell me if you can do that.  If it's that easy, you shouldn't have a problem. 

I also think you're missing the point of why artists other than just traditional "rock" artists are inducted.  You don't like the fact that artists from other genres, like metal, rap, blues and jazz are being inducted while other "rock" artists are being left off the ballot, like Deep Purple.  It sounds that if you had it your way, the RRHOF would be for straight-up "rock" artists only and no one else.  Aside from being whitebread and boring, it would be a rather small room.  Rock and Roll over the years has grown to include more than just "rock" as a genre in and of itself.  You have soul artists in there, jazz artists, blues artists, rockabilly artists......they have had just as much influence on "rock" music as The Beatles, Led Zeppelin and The Rolling Stones. 


Hip-hop artists have had an effect on "rock" music the same as "rock" music has had an effect on rap/hip-hop.  If not for Run DMC duetting on "Walk This Way" by Aerosmith.....Aerosmith might not have achieved the success in the last 20 years that they have.  They were pretty much dead and forgotten before that song came and both groups benefited heavily from it.  A lot of "rock" artists TODAY have cited rap/hip-hop pioneers as the reason they started making music.  A lot of these "rock" artists have also worked with these rap/hip-hop artists to help increase their visibility and fan base.  It's the same sort of thing you saw in the early days of rock and roll with it's connection to the blues.

>=O R.E.M.

Exactly, Rapid Eye Movement.  One of the world's most boring bands is named after sleep!
;D

You said that it didn't take much skill to go up to a turntable and scratch a record.  Is that or is that not the same as saying that what hip-hop/rap DJs do isn't that hard?  To me, that's saying that it's rather easy and that anyone can do it.  So I told you to watch some footage of Grandmaster Flash or even DJ Spinderella and tell me if you can do that.  If it's that easy, you shouldn't have a problem. 



Bah! Forget it. I understand your point. I don't think you completely understand where i'm coming from. But it's definately not worth fighting over, or me being snide.

So. I agree to disagree. :)

Exactly, Rapid Eye Movement.  One of the world's most boring bands is named after sleep!
;D


;D

R.E.M. aren't all that bad, but I tell ya, my trash compactor sure likes their CDs

  Guess I agree with the choice of nominees, 'sept I've never heard of Joe Tex...

  I don't keep track of RRHoF inductees, but I am a bit suprised to learn KISS hasn't made it yet...

Typical response from someone who doesn't like a particular style of music, "Because I like Them," shouldn't
be a criteria for induction. Nowhere in the Rock And Roll Hall Of Shame is progressive rock represented. I don't
think ELP or Yes really deserve to be there, but they deserve it more than the Talking Heads.

People forget what a Hall Of Fame means. The majority of inductees don't deserve to be there. The Beatles,
The Rolling Stones, Led Zeppelin, Elvis Presley deserve the status of Hall Of Famers. Are you really putting The
Pretenders in the same category as The Beatles?
I could not believe my eyes when I saw 2007's nominees. Chic? grandmaster flash? Patti Smith? I disagreed when Prince was inducted before Black Sabbath and I sstill don't think he belongs in the ROCK & Roll Hall Of FAME! Some of these acts are not rock'n'Roll at all!! I believe that there are bands more deserving od this honor such as : Rush, Deep Purple, Triumph, and T-Rex. After all, these bands have influenced countless other bands and, let's not forget, they are actually rock bands. The alking Heads being inducted before Deep Purple? Blondie being inducted before Rush? Prince being inducted before Sabbath? What i find aggravating is that some of these bands are noe part of an exclusive club which counts the Beatles, Zeppelin, Hendrix, The Stones and Pink Floyd among its members. Can these  acts really think that they are in the same league as the great bands mentioned above? If they do they are morons, and so are the members of the commitee who nominated these mediocre acts and many others in the past. Every year i look forward to watching the awards ceremony. Not this time. I will rather channel surf until I find some Cheers or Seinfeld re-runs!!! They are trying to kill Rock-n-Roll!!

I can't believe Kraftwerk still haven't been inducted yet. The've been eligible since 1996. They pretty much invented electronic music.

The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is certainly open to criticism over who should and shouldn't get in. Here's a page that voices some of that criticism:

http://www.futurerockhall.com/

Grandmaster Flash is NOT Rock & Roll! They have no business being in Cleveland!
I have no argument with inducting R.E.M. & Van Halen, but I can name you at least 5 bands that have been eligible for just as long, if not longer:

Why not Hall & Oates?
Why not Journey?
Why not Heart?
Why not Huey Lewis & The News?
Why not Duran Duran?

Let's get on the ball, Cleveland! I think there's room for a few more.

Your Pal,
Doc
8)

Why not Heart?


Because they were awful?  ;D

producers Nile Rodgers and Bernard Edwards' funk group Chic ("Good Times");
British Invasion band the Dave Clark Five ("Glad All Over");
"White Lines" hip-hop pioneer Grandmaster Flash and his outfit, the Furious Five;
college/indie-rock icons R.E.M.;
1960s girl-group/Phil Spector project The Ronettes ("Be My Baby");
punk poet Patti Smith (Horses);
Iggy Pop's breakthrough act, the Stooges ("I Wanna Be Your Dog");
the late soul singer/rap innovator Joe Tex ("Hold What You've Got"); and
arena-rock gods Van Halen.

Ronnie, Patti, Iggy, Joe Tex?  I rather like this slate, less Van Halen and R.E.M.  Those two belong on the "Didn't Know When to Quit" wing of the RRHF.

producers Nile Rodgers and Bernard Edwards' funk group Chic ("Good Times");
British Invasion band the Dave Clark Five ("Glad All Over");
"White Lines" hip-hop pioneer Grandmaster Flash and his outfit, the Furious Five;
college/indie-rock icons R.E.M.;
1960s girl-group/Phil Spector project The Ronettes ("Be My Baby");
punk poet Patti Smith (Horses);
Iggy Pop's breakthrough act, the Stooges ("I Wanna Be Your Dog");
the late soul singer/rap innovator Joe Tex ("Hold What You've Got"); and
arena-rock gods Van Halen.

Ronnie, Patti, Iggy, Joe Tex?  I rather like this slate, less Van Halen and R.E.M.  Those two belong on the "Didn't Know When to Quit" wing of the RRHF.


Patti Smith... grossly overrated.

What I wonder is when the heck is legendary rock vocalist Paul Rodgers gonna be instated into the RNRHOF ?

Paul is the real deal.  Lead singer with the seminal band "Free" (he sang the lead vocal on All Right Now at the tender age of 20), lead singer with super band "Bad Company" (singing classics like Bad Company,  Shooting Star, Silver Blue and Gold, Feel Like Makin' Love), and lead singer with the Jimmy Page's "The Firm".

He also tours occasionally with "Queen" as a stand-in for Freddie Mercury, who, while a great singer, could not hold a candle to Paul's enormous talent.

Heck, when Paul Rodgers farts, it sounds better than 99% of today's rock vocalists.