On one hand, they peaked in 1999, and died by 2001/'02, but many artists from the era continued to be popular/present in the '00s by catching up with trends and staying in the media, so people don't really act like they're completely gone.

The BSB/Nsync/Britney/Christina stuff is very 1998-2000/early '01ish, sort of "rough '00s", although in some form, you could say some more '00slike artists, like Hilary Duff, Lindsay Lohan and Avril Lavigne sort of updated it circa 2003.

But the core of it will probably be (slightly) more '90s. Kinda like the second wave of hair metal's "ascent" being from Bon Jovi and Def Leppard in '87, even though it was around as late as '92.

The BSB/Nsync/Britney/Christina stuff is very 1998-2000/early '01ish, sort of "rough '00s", although in some form, you could say some more '00slike artists, like Hilary Duff, Lindsay Lohan and Avril Lavigne sort of updated it circa 2003.

But the core of it will probably be (slightly) more '90s. Kinda like the second wave of hair metal's "ascent" being from Bon Jovi and Def Leppard in '87, even though it was around as late as '92.


Would you say hair metal was kind of a proto-'90s thing, in a way? Guns 'n' Roses, for instance are quite '90s.

Would you say hair metal was kind of a proto-'90s thing, in a way? Guns 'n' Roses, for instance are quite '90s.


Not the slightly heavier, early Twisted Sister/Scorpions phase. Maybe the midpoint Bon Jovi stuff a teeny, teeny bit, but I agree the later stuff in a way does point to it. GNR's attitude was actually more that of a grunge band than a pop styled hair metal act (even if they looked more hair metalish).

I suppose it's contradictory, but would you compare that with Disco almost foretelling the '80s in a way, despite that being the very genre most often backlashed in the '80s? The early 1976ish Disco stuff wasn't really like it, but even by '78, alot of the Disco hits weren't THAT unlike, say a Pointer Sisters song from 1983.

They're more connected to the late '90s than the core of the '00s. I consider them to be the last of the '90s.

Not the slightly heavier, early Twisted Sister/Scorpions phase. Maybe the midpoint Bon Jovi stuff a teeny, teeny bit, but I agree the later stuff in a way does point to it. GNR's attitude was actually more that of a grunge band than a pop styled hair metal act (even if they looked more hair metalish).

I suppose it's contradictory, but would you compare that with Disco almost foretelling the '80s in a way, despite that being the very genre most often backlashed in the '80s? The early 1976ish Disco stuff wasn't really like it, but even by '78, alot of the Disco hits weren't THAT unlike, say a Pointer Sisters song from 1983.


Disco was the part of the '70s that was pre-'80s rather than post-'60s.

Disco was the part of the '70s that was pre-'80s rather than post-'60s.


Do you think 1976 was the "changing" year? '75 still had that "it's after the '60s and more modern, but still not that different either" feel to it, and 1977 felt closer to the '80s.

The BSB/Nsync/Britney/Christina stuff is very 1998-2000/early '01ish, sort of "rough '00s", although in some form, you could say some more '00slike artists, like Hilary Duff, Lindsay Lohan and Avril Lavigne sort of updated it circa 2003.

But the core of it will probably be (slightly) more '90s. Kinda like the second wave of hair metal's "ascent" being from Bon Jovi and Def Leppard in '87, even though it was around as late as '92.



I agree. While teen pop is still around today it was defidently more popular c.2000 and boy bands are pretty much non-existant compared to there popularity in 1999.

I think it's a '90s thing. It started in 1996 and peaked in 1999-2000 about, during Y2K, and the bottom started noticeably falling out in 2002-2003. I agree with Marty that it sort of follows hair metal's pattern, having started its ascent at the beginning of the decade's last half but still being around through the beginning of the next, in a way. I also think the teen pop is sort of split. Like Britney Spears, with the more explicit, almost glam-rap like sexuality, seems more '00s, but the Spice Girls, Hanson, Backstreet Boys, and even N*Sync seem more '90s in terms of their themes and production. Like a song like "Wannabe" sounds quite dated 1996-1997 right now. There was a more early '00s part of the genre (bands like 98 Degrees, O-Town, Crazy Town, Mandy Moore, Jessica Simpson and her sister), but that never retained as much serious popularity or staying power as the stuff that was popular in 1998 and 1999. Its descent happened a little earlier than nu metal, another Y2K genre that stuck around through the first few years of the '00s. Nowadays, a few teen pop stars (the Simpsons, Britney Spears, Christina Aguilera) still have "tabloid popularity", but most music like that isn't all that popular, and who gives a crap about Justin Timberlake anymore?

But, like in most decades, people hate the words "teen pop" (and "nu metal") as well, as much as people hated the words "hair metal" in the '90s and "disco" in the '80s, even if the music is pretty heavily influenced by it. Like there was that vocal teen pop backlash around 2002 with Avril Lavigne in the teen scene, even if she was slightly emo (in the Good Charlotte sense) teen pop ultimately. My age group was sort of late for that type of teen pop, I think-like I think of your typical Hilary Duff fan as being more somebody born in 1992 than your teenybopper Britney queen born in 1989 or 1990.

Also, I think the production of teen pop and the vocals are still heavily influential upon any music that gets played on the radio today, because it so heavily influenced Gen Y listeners, the same way that pop-punk like Blink 182 still sort of heavily influences the "indie" Gen Y types. Like the vocals are still sort of teen pop-y in most white music out there now.

I still think in many ways, though, it's more of a '90s thing that sort of, like many Y2K-era '90s things, presaged the '00s. Also, there was teen pop before them, although it was less "explicitly" teenybopper pop and targeted to a slightly older audience. Like the early '70s had the Osmonds, Partridge Family, and Jackson 5, the late '80s had NKOTB, Debbie Gibson, Menudo, and Tiffany, and the mid-'80s had some new wave boy bands like Duran Duran and stuff like Cyndi Lauper that was sort of teen pop in many ways.

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I still think in many ways, though, it's more of a '90s thing that sort of, like many Y2K-era '90s things, presaged the '00s. Also, there was teen pop before them, although it was less "explicitly" teenybopper pop and targeted to a slightly older audience. Like the early '70s had the Osmonds, Partridge Family, and Jackson 5, the late '80s had NKOTB, Debbie Gibson, Menudo, and Tiffany, and the mid-'80s had some new wave boy bands like Duran Duran and stuff like Cyndi Lauper that was sort of teen pop in many ways.


Deborah Gibson is more A/C pop and showtunes, though I also like her early songs

I think it's a '90s thing. It started in 1996 and peaked in 1999-2000 about, during Y2K, and the bottom started noticeably falling out in 2002-2003. I agree with Marty that it sort of follows hair metal's pattern, having started its ascent at the beginning of the decade's last half but still being around through the beginning of the next, in a way. I also think the teen pop is sort of split. Like Britney Spears, with the more explicit, almost glam-rap like sexuality, seems more '00s, but the Spice Girls, Hanson, Backstreet Boys, and even N*Sync seem more '90s in terms of their themes and production. Like a song like "Wannabe" sounds quite dated 1996-1997 right now. There was a more early '00s part of the genre (bands like 98 Degrees, O-Town, Crazy Town, Mandy Moore, Jessica Simpson and her sister), but that never retained as much serious popularity or staying power as the stuff that was popular in 1998 and 1999. Its descent happened a little earlier than nu metal, another Y2K genre that stuck around through the first few years of the '00s. Nowadays, a few teen pop stars (the Simpsons, Britney Spears, Christina Aguilera) still have "tabloid popularity", but most music like that isn't all that popular, and who gives a crap about Justin Timberlake anymore?

But, like in most decades, people hate the words "teen pop" (and "nu metal") as well, as much as people hated the words "hair metal" in the '90s and "disco" in the '80s, even if the music is pretty heavily influenced by it. Like there was that vocal teen pop backlash around 2002 with Avril Lavigne in the teen scene, even if she was slightly emo (in the Good Charlotte sense) teen pop ultimately. My age group was sort of late for that type of teen pop, I think-like I think of your typical Hilary Duff fan as being more somebody born in 1992 than your teenybopper Britney queen born in 1989 or 1990.

Also, I think the production of teen pop and the vocals are still heavily influential upon any music that gets played on the radio today, because it so heavily influenced Gen Y listeners, the same way that pop-punk like Blink 182 still sort of heavily influences the "indie" Gen Y types. Like the vocals are still sort of teen pop-y in most white music out there now.

I still think in many ways, though, it's more of a '90s thing that sort of, like many Y2K-era '90s things, presaged the '00s. Also, there was teen pop before them, although it was less "explicitly" teenybopper pop and targeted to a slightly older audience. Like the early '70s had the Osmonds, Partridge Family, and Jackson 5, the late '80s had NKOTB, Debbie Gibson, Menudo, and Tiffany, and the mid-'80s had some new wave boy bands like Duran Duran and stuff like Cyndi Lauper that was sort of teen pop in many ways.


Ashlee Simpson didn't even debut until 2004, I really don't get how she's more of a '90s thing. There's still some sort of teen pop out there, Ashlee Simpson is part of it though her 2nd album isn't nearly as big as the first probably because it really sucks. Britney was still pretty big in 2004, but then she got married to the freeloader and turned into a baby making machine, her career is dead now more because of her personal choices I think. Christina was also still very big 2003-04, but she hasn't come out with an album since 2002, however the new one is coming out later this year. I think it'll do quite well. Actually Christina's best material came in the 2000s. So some of the teen pop stars are still popular or were popular recently, but they changed their music to fit the times more.

On one hand, they peaked in 1999, and died by 2001/'02, but many artists from the era continued to be popular/present in the '00s by catching up with trends and staying in the media, so people don't really act like they're completely gone.




Technically it isn't completely gone, it's just changed and evolved with the times. Boy Bands are pretty much gone now though. I'm still wondering if it's a '90s or '00s thing actually, the main peak was 1999 and into 2000. It was so much bigger around 1999-2000 than it was back in 97-98, which is why some people will say it's more of a very early '00s-ish thing.

I say 90s. The BSB came back last year or whatever it was, but they weren't boybandish like they were in the 90s. Same with Justin Timberlake. He was big in 2003, but his solo album sounded alot different from his NSync stuff. It was more R&B whereas NSync were straight pop. But I wouldn't restrict boy bands and teen pop to just the late 90s or early 00s. What about Michael Jackson and the Jacksons? What about New Edition? There have been boy bands around ever since the very late 60s (when the J5 first emerged).

I say 90s. The BSB came back last year or whatever it was, but they weren't boybandish like they were in the 90s. Same with Justin Timberlake. He was big in 2003, but his solo album sounded alot different from his NSync stuff. It was more R&B whereas NSync were straight pop. But I wouldn't restrict boy bands and teen pop to just the late 90s or early 00s. What about Michael Jackson and the Jacksons? What about New Edition? There have been boy bands around ever since the very late 60s (when the J5 first emerged).


There have been teen idols since the '20s with Rudy Vallee and the '40s with Frank Sinatra, and rock teenybopper idols since the Beatles, Herman's Hermits, and their ilk (the teenybopper stuff of my parent's generation.)