What kid of things define teens of the 90's and teens of the 00's, I would def. have to say things are alot more compliated now for a teen versus the 90's, their is also a complete change in the style of clothes each wear same with music also.

I think 90s teenagers got out and about more.  Today's teens don't hang around at malls and fast food joints like 90s/80s teens did.

I also think 90s teens had more aggressive personalities.  2000s teens seem to just have a "whatever" attitude.

I was a teen from 1997 to 2004  :D

Though I was still "90's"...  ::)

Some Zeroes teen like the same music teens liked 5, 10, or even 15 years ago, but generally I'd call '00s teens either completely absorbed into hip hop, emo, or American Idol, or have an "alternative" taste like indie or classic rock. 

As for TV, teens in the Zeroes like the reality shows and animated sitcoms, teens in the Nineties seemed to like MTV and animated sitcoms.  The Zeroes teens are much less angsty and more "whatever"-ish, for sure.

Overall, a '90s high school atmosphere is much more '00s-like than '80s-like.

I think 90s teenagers got out and about more.  Today's teens don't hang around at malls and fast food joints like 90s/80s teens did.

I also think 90s teens had more aggressive personalities.  2000s teens seem to just have a "whatever" attitude.


I used to be out every day. I stay in more now than I did then. Mostly because my friends all work and go to colleges in different states. I used to go to the mall all the time. Every single weekend my friends and I would go there and hang out with kids from all over the town.  In our junior year we were there every day after we'd skateboard. I have no interest in it now really. Enless i'm buying something I go there. Malls are a great place for teens!

I think nothing much has really changed except fashon.etc. I still see heaps of teens crawling about fast-food joints, the local mall (it's like a zoo in there) etc. I think their taste in musics has definately changed, and many of 00s teens tend to be more interested in studying.etc and getting good grades than being a teenager. Being a 00s teen myself (from 1999-2005) I can't really vouch for the 90s. I know there was something different about the older years when I started high school though.

I think the main difference between 90's and 00's teens isn't music(as most 00's music is just a watered down version of 90's music) but like you guys said attitude. Like Trimac said 00's teens seem to concentrate much more on grades and studying than did 90's teens. I'm an 00's teen too(2000-2005 or 2007) so this is just a guess but it seems pretty accurate.

I think the main difference between 90's and 00's teens isn't music(as most 00's music is just a watered down version of 90's music) but like you guys said attitude. Like Trimac said 00's teens seem to concentrate much more on grades and studying than did 90's teens. I'm an 00's teen too(2000-2005 or 2007) so this is just a guess but it seems pretty accurate.


'00s kids are definitely nerdier.  Hell, it's almost cool to be a nerd today.

'00s kids are definitely nerdier.  Hell, it's almost cool to be a nerd today.



Yeah, the whole "picking on nerds thing" kinda died in the 80's it seems like. Today nobody picks on nerds anymore(not that that's a bad thing :))

Yeah, the whole "picking on nerds thing" kinda died in the 80's it seems like. Today nobody picks on nerds anymore(not that that's a bad thing :))


I'd probably say it died in the late '90s.  Nowadays you need to be kind of geeky to get along, since there's so much computer stuff.

I'd probably say it died in the late '90s.  Nowadays you need to be kind of geeky to get along, since there's so much computer stuff.



I wonder if Weezer had anything to do with that? ;D

I wonder if Weezer had anything to do with that? ;D


;D

People in the '00s are far more driven, almost too driven, and seem to have more of a teen-yuppieish "work hard, play hard" and aggressively preppie thing going on.

Some Zeroes teen like the same music teens liked 5, 10, or even 15 years ago, but generally I'd call '00s teens either completely absorbed into hip hop, emo, or American Idol, or have an "alternative" taste like indie or classic rock. 

As for TV, teens in the Zeroes like the reality shows and animated sitcoms, teens in the Nineties seemed to like MTV and animated sitcoms.  The Zeroes teens are much less angsty and more "whatever"-ish, for sure.

Overall, a '90s high school atmosphere is much more '00s-like than '80s-like.


I disagree. I graduated high school in 1994 and the high school atmosphere at that time was not anything close to 00s. Maybe late 90s but now early 90s.

I disagree. I graduated high school in 1994 and the high school atmosphere at that time was not anything close to 00s. Maybe late 90s but now early 90s.


Well, to be honest I really can't remember the first third of the '90s at all and I didn't even start preschool until 1994ish.  The atmosphere, say from 1994 Boy Meets World episodes is pretty different, if that's a fair reference point.

Well, to be honest I really can't remember the first third of the '90s at all and I didn't even start preschool until 1994ish.  The atmosphere, say from 1994 Boy Meets World episodes is pretty different, if that's a fair reference point.


See, I can remember 93 and 94 very clearly.  I can even remember quite a bit from 92(although 90 and 91 are pretty fuzzy).  Young'un. :P

See, I can remember 93 and 94 very clearly.  I can even remember quite a bit from 92(although 90 and 91 are pretty fuzzy).  Young'un. :P


;D

My clear memory begins probably around 1996ish.  It's not really like yesterday until maybe the turn of 1998.  Anything from then on is pretty much like yesterday.

My clear memory begins in like 1994, maybe, or 1995...I can remember some 1992 and 1993 stuff, though, pretty well.

I think the earliest memory I had was back in 1989 when I was just 3...apart fom that it's really patchy until I was 5.

I was also going to point out 00s teens seem to be nerdier. It seems education is even more important these days, since it's so competitive. Nerds are becoming more integrated into society. I mean, it's becoming harder to define a 'true nerd' though they do exist. They would probably the ones who seriously have no social life and do nothing but study on weekends.etc. In that respect I was a semi-nerd in high-school, though I know many nerds who weren't study-freaks. I myself was a pretty mediocre-student; I only studied when I had to, and did best at subjects I liked (like Geography, which I basically never studied) where I got top of the year for one semester (not to boast).

They also seem to have more respect for their parents (that's just a theory), the 'them against us' attittude seeming less pronounced.

I think the earliest memory I had was back in 1989 when I was just 3...apart fom that it's really patchy until I was 5.

I was also going to point out 00s teens seem to be nerdier. It seems education is even more important these days, since it's so competitive. Nerds are becoming more integrated into society. I mean, it's becoming harder to define a 'true nerd' though they do exist. They would probably the ones who seriously have no social life and do nothing but study on weekends.etc. In that respect I was a semi-nerd in high-school, though I know many nerds who weren't study-freaks. I myself was a pretty mediocre-student; I only studied when I had to, and did best at subjects I liked (like Geography, which I basically never studied) where I got top of the year for one semester (not to boast).

They also seem to have more respect for their parents (that's just a theory), the 'them against us' attittude seeming less pronounced.


I think it has to do with us Gen Yers being the first generation to have "cool parents" (the baby boomers) who were relatively like us in high school in that they partied, like rock/r&b music, did drugs and drank alot, had sex, etc. So there's less of a generation gap between the boomers and Yers than say even the silenters and the Xers. Sometimes, parents supporting their kids' drug and alcohol habits or feeling guilty about reprimanding them about it because they did it as teenagers and still have fond memories of it goes more than a bit too far.

They also seem to have more respect for their parents (that's just a theory), the 'them against us' attittude seeming less pronounced.


I'm gonna miss the days when being nice was uncool, it makes it less fun to be nerdy/responsible.

I think it has to do with us Gen Yers being the first generation to have "cool parents" (the baby boomers) who were relatively like us in high school in that they partied, like rock/r&b music, did drugs and drank alot, had sex, etc. So there's less of a generation gap between the boomers and Yers than say even the silenters and the Xers. Sometimes, parents supporting their kids' drug and alcohol habits or feeling guilty about reprimanding them about it because they did it as teenagers and still have fond memories of it goes more than a bit too far.


The generation before the Baby Boomers and before weren't as 'uncool' as people often think. They did all those things as well (maybe minus the Rock and r'n'b, back then Jazz was probably the 'devil's music'), just wasn't as well known. I actually think parents attittude to alcohol, drugs.etc was actually more liberal in the Boomer era than now; there wasn't so much media demonisation of drug use.etc.

I myself never really involved in that. Mainly because I was a nerd, and nerds didn't do those sort of things.

The generation before the Baby Boomers and before weren't as 'uncool' as people often think. They did all those things as well (maybe minus the Rock and r'n'b, back then Jazz was probably the 'devil's music'), just wasn't as well known. I actually think parents attittude to alcohol, drugs.etc was actually more liberal in the Boomer era than now; there wasn't so much media demonisation of drug use.etc.

I myself never really involved in that. Mainly because I was a nerd, and nerds didn't do those sort of things.


According to my parents, most parents in the '60s and '70s just didn't know alot about drugs.

The generation before the Baby Boomers and before weren't as 'uncool' as people often think. They did all those things as well (maybe minus the Rock and r'n'b, back then Jazz was probably the 'devil's music'), just wasn't as well known. I actually think parents attittude to alcohol, drugs.etc was actually more liberal in the Boomer era than now; there wasn't so much media demonisation of drug use.etc.

I myself never really involved in that. Mainly because I was a nerd, and nerds didn't do those sort of things.


I think the people for whom rock was the "devil's music" in high school started in like 1937 or 1938.

Actually, the Blues - 'Coloured music' and even primative African music was seen as the 'devil's music.' Dancing was seen as a primitive, lewd and would lead to uncontrollable promiscuity. Well, anything apart from ball-room dancing with chaperones.

Actually, the Blues - 'Coloured music' and even primative African music was seen as the 'devil's music.' Dancing was seen as a primitive, lewd and would lead to uncontrollable promiscuity. Well, anything apart from ball-room dancing with chaperones.


That's a bit of an exaggeration, or more than a bit of one. Teens would go to parties in the '20s-'50s period and listen to swing music and dance dances like the "foxtrot" and the "Lindy", or listen to traditional pop. People "petted." The conformity of the pre-'60s period has been exaggerated to conform to our societal duty of making boomers feel special.

I think it has to do with us Gen Yers being the first generation to have "cool parents" (the baby boomers) who were relatively like us in high school in that they partied, like rock/r&b music, did drugs and drank alot, had sex, etc. So there's less of a generation gap between the boomers and Yers than say even the silenters and the Xers. Sometimes, parents supporting their kids' drug and alcohol habits or feeling guilty about reprimanding them about it because they did it as teenagers and still have fond memories of it goes more than a bit too far.


A lot of Gen Xers had Boomer parents as well.  My own parents are Boomers that came of age in the 50s and 60s, they were born in 1945 and 1947.  It's usually only the frontline of Generation X (people born in the 60s) that have parents that were part of the Silent Generation.  But even older Xers can have Boomer parents.  However you may be thinking of the younger Baby Boomers that went to high school in the 70s, which are likely what your parents are...i.e., born from 1956 to 1963 or something like that.  That younger Boomer crowd are not even really "true Boomers".  They are, but they really aren't at the same time.  It would be like some future kid thinking his parents that were born in 1983 are pure Gen Xers, simply because he doesn't know any better.

I disagree. I graduated high school in 1994 and the high school atmosphere at that time was not anything close to 00s. Maybe late 90s but now early 90s.


I agree.

A lot of Gen Xers had Boomer parents as well.  My own parents are Boomers that came of age in the 50s and 60s, they were born in 1945 and 1947.  It's usually only the frontline of Generation X (people born in the 60s) that have parents that were part of the Silent Generation.  But even older Xers can have Boomer parents.  However you may be thinking of the younger Baby Boomers that went to high school in the 70s, which are likely what your parents are...i.e., born from 1956 to 1963 or something like that.  That younger Boomer crowd are not even really "true Boomers".  They are, but they really aren't at the same time.  It would be like some future kid thinking his parents that were born in 1983 are pure Gen Xers, simply because he doesn't know any better.


My parents are '55ers, my friends parents were mostly born in the late '50s or so on average, to the early '60s and including the mid '50s. But they're "'70s people", and the '70s was in alot of ways the decade that the drug-sex thing saturated American life.

A lot of Gen Xers had Boomer parents as well.  My own parents are Boomers that came of age in the 50s and 60s, they were born in 1945 and 1947.  It's usually only the frontline of Generation X (people born in the 60s) that have parents that were part of the Silent Generation.  But even older Xers can have Boomer parents.  However you may be thinking of the younger Baby Boomers that went to high school in the 70s, which are likely what your parents are...i.e., born from 1956 to 1963 or something like that.  That younger Boomer crowd are not even really "true Boomers".  They are, but they really aren't at the same time.  It would be like some future kid thinking his parents that were born in 1983 are pure Gen Xers, simply because he doesn't know any better.


My parents are late Boomers.  Gen Yers can also have Gen X parents, my best friend born in 1993 has parents born in the latter '60s.  Boomers can actually be the parents of Gen Xers, Gen Yers, and Gen Zers.

Most of my peers have parents that were born anywhere from a time span covering 1935 to 1953.  With a real focus on people born in the 1940s. 

I did know a couple of people that had younger Boomer parents, (his parents were born in 1959 or something) and they had them when they were in high school.   

My parents are late Boomers.  Gen Yers can also have Gen X parents, my best friend born in 1993 has parents born in the latter '60s.  Boomers can actually be the parents of Gen Xers, Gen Yers, and Gen Zers.


I totally expect anyone born in 1993--+ to see me as a parent type figure.  I mean I graduated high school in 1993.  I AM old enough to be their father!  Some people my age started getting married and having kids (planned pregnancies) as early as the mid 90s when they were only 19.  My own nephew was born in 1997.

Even a couple years back a friend of mine that works with kids told me that the children that were born after 1992 see him differently compared to the kids born in 1989 or so.   

I totally expect anyone born in 1993--+ to see me as a parent type figure.  I mean I graduated high school in 1993.  I AM old enough to be their father!  Some people my age started getting married and having kids (planned pregnancies) as early as the mid 90s when they were only 19.  My own nephew was born in 1997.

Even a couple years back a friend of mine that works with kids told me that the children that were born after 1992 see him differently compared to the kids born in 1989 or so.   


So would you say those born in the early nineties (that is, 1990-1992) are more or less the same biological generation as you, whereas 1993+ is the next one?

^No.  It's just that I would be a bit shocked, perhaps even a bit offended if anyone your age (born in 1990) thought of me as a father figure, even though there were people that had kids when they were 14 and 15 years old.  My friend who worked with kids a few years ago even said so much, that people your age saw him as an older buddy type, whereas a kid born in '93 or '94 tended to view him as a parent. 

But I would not have the same surprised reaction to anyone born in 1993 or after.  I kinda expect them to see me as parental type, though even for them I'd still be a young dad.  There were people my age that got married and started families in the mid 90s when they were only 19 or 20.  That does happen.

^No.  It's just that I would be a bit shocked, perhaps even a bit offended if anyone your age (born in 1990) thought of me as a father figure, even though there were people that had kids when they were 14 and 15 years old.  My friend who worked with kids a few years ago even said so much, that people your age saw him as an older buddy type, whereas a kid born in '93 or '94 tended to view him as a parent.   

But I would not have the same surprised reaction to anyone born in 1993 or after.  I kinda expect them to see me as parental type, though even for them I'd still be a young dad.  There were people my age that got married and started families in the mid 90s when they were only 19 or 20.  That does happen.


Ah. I see :)

My parents are late Boomers.  Gen Yers can also have Gen X parents, my best friend born in 1993 has parents born in the latter '60s.  Boomers can actually be the parents of Gen Xers, Gen Yers, and Gen Zers.



Yeah, even though I was born in '87 both my parents are Gen X. Even though my dad was born in '64 so he's arguably Gen X, my mom was born in 1969 and was just 18 when I was born, so she's defidently Gen X. As far as the parental figure thing I think you really have to be at least 18 years older than somebody to really view them as a parental figure. Anyone born after 1969 really dosent seem like a parent to me but someone born before '69 defidently does. Likewise I would think someone born 2005+ might see me as a parental figure but probably not anybody born before that.

Yeah, even though I was born in '87 both my parents are Gen X. Even though my dad was born in '64 so he's arguably Gen X, my mom was born in 1969 and was just 18 when I was born, so she's defidently Gen X. As far as the parental figure thing I think you really have to be at least 18 years older than somebody to really view them as a parental figure. Anyone born after 1969 really dosent seem like a parent to me but someone born before '69 defidently does. Likewise I would think someone born 2005+ might see me as a parental figure but probably not anybody born before that.


Yeah, although my parents are Boomers they could have easily been X, so I would say anyborn born in 1969 or earlier could be my mom or dad (although since the Gen Xers are so cool they don't seem near as parental as before born pre-'64).  The people born in the '80s are my older peers, hell even the people born in the '70s are like my older cousins or cool young uncles. 

As for people who would see me as their dad, well they'll probably not be born until the last couple years of this decade, but I have to say anyone born after 1995 seems like a baby to me.

Yeah, although my parents are Boomers they could have easily been X, so I would say anyborn born in 1969 or earlier could be my mom or dad (although since the Gen Xers are so cool they don't seem near as parental as before born pre-'64).  The people born in the '80s are my older peers, hell even the people born in the '70s are like my older cousins or cool young uncles. 

As for people who would see me as their dad, well they'll probably not be born until the last couple years of this decade, but I have to say anyone born after 1995 seems like a baby to me.



Oh defidently. Even though they probably wouln't see me as there dad, anyone born in the mid-90's+ seems like a totally different generation to me.

Oh defidently. Even though they probably wouln't see me as there dad, anyone born in the mid-90's+ seems like a totally different generation to me.


Yeah, the mid '90s is odd because their little kid years (and I'm talking really little, like 1 to 4) would be in the late nineties, which I remember really well.  Unlike say a 1992er or 1993er who I wouldn't remember a time before their birth.

Yeah, the mid '90s is odd because their little kid years (and I'm talking really little, like 1 to 4) would be in the late nineties, which I remember really well.  Unlike say a 1992er or 1993er who I wouldn't remember a time before their birth.



Yeah that's true too. Since I can remember 1992+ pretty good those guys really do seem alot yonger than a 1991er or before since I cant remember those years quite as good.

Yeah that's true too. Since I can remember 1992+ pretty good those guys really do seem alot yonger than a 1991er or before since I cant remember those years quite as good.


Yeah that's why I see 1994ers and on as "babies", even though the oldest of them are 12, because I can remember 1994 a little bit.  Unlike a 1991er, '92er or '93er, and of course 1987-1989 who are pretty much the same age as me.

Yeah that's why I see 1994ers and on as "babies", even though the oldest of them are 12, because I can remember 1994 a little bit.  Unlike a 1991er, '92er or '93er, and of course 1987-1989 who are pretty much the same age as me.


Even people graduating in 2004 seem to be pretty much the same age as I am, I was friends with alot of '86ers in '03 when I was 13 and they were 17.

Even people graduating in 2004 seem to be pretty much the same age as I am, I was friends with alot of '86ers in '03 when I was 13 and they were 17.



Yeah, same with me. People born in 1982/1983 dont really seem that much older than me since when I was coming in to high school they were seniors and I hung out with some of them during my freshman year.

Even people graduating in 2004 seem to be pretty much the same age as I am, I was friends with alot of '86ers in '03 when I was 13 and they were 17.


86ers seem a little older to me, but yeah they definitely seem like "peers".  I don't even get a "big brother" sense from them.

That's funny, I don't really know anyone born in the 1982-85 period, though I know quite a few born in 1986-1990. I guess our year group tended to stick to our own year...

That's funny, I don't really know anyone born in the 1982-85 period, though I know quite a few born in 1986-1990. I guess our year group tended to stick to our own year...



yeah ... where the hell are these early '80s people.  I notice late '70s and late '80s, but early '80s?  They're a rare breed it seems.

Most of the teen pop stars of the late 90s/early 00s were early 80s babies.

E.g. Britney Spears, Justin Timberlake, Mandy Moore, Beyonce.etc.

yeah ... where the hell are these early '80s people.  I notice late '70s and late '80s, but early '80s?  They're a rare breed it seems.


I know a few 1982ers and some 1979ers, and they seem to be somewhere in between the two groups. But alot of them seem to have followed the lead of younger Gen Yers and become part of the urban hipsteratti who aren't still in high school. But there's definitely some truth to that 1985-1990 people stick together, because we're just too Y for our own good.

Were fertility rates lower during that era? I know it was definitely the case during the 40s, 50s and 60s. They say the 'peak boomer' period was 46-55, and then there was a definite dip in birth rates from 1955-1965 or so, then an increase. It is possible there was a lull in birth-rates partly due to it being a 'transition' period between one Generation and the Next (in this case Gen X and Gen Y).

I know a few 1982ers and some 1979ers, and they seem to be somewhere in between the two groups. But alot of them seem to have followed the lead of younger Gen Yers and become part of the urban hipsteratti who aren't still in high school. But there's definitely some truth to that 1985-1990 people stick together, because we're just too Y for our own good.



This is very true. 1985-1990 is pretty much peak Y so maybe that is the reason we stick together.

Actually...the US birth rates (not sure about the Australian birth rates) peaked all time in 1955, declined to 1963 slowly, then dropped precipitously and kept dropping to 1976, the all-time low birth year, which is why there are fewer Gen Xers. It then grew in the late '70s and kept slowly growing in the early '80s, and began rapidly advancing through the mid '80s to 1990, one of the highest years since the mid-50s. It slowly declined to 1992 and then started falling out at 1993, remained low through the '90s, with alot of babies being born in '00 and it sort of slowly declining since then.

This is very true. 1985-1990 is pretty much peak Y so maybe that is the reason we stick together.


Yeah, plus we were all in high school around 2004.

Yeah, plus we were all in high school around 2004.


Yeah, we were all in HS 2003-early 2005, which was the absolute peak of the '00s.

Yeah, plus we were all in high school around 2004.



Yeah, 2004 was the year that everyone born in 1986-1990 was together in high school so that makes since.

Yeah, 2004 was the year that everyone born in 1986-1990 was together in high school so that makes since.


I kind of think of late 1985-early 1990 as the prime '00s kids.  They're like Gen Y's equivalent to the Brat Pack.

Yeah, 2004 was the year that everyone born in 1986-1990 was together in high school so that makes since.


I graduated in 2003...which was the normal age (17) over here (we leave at age 17, don't know about America).

I said this in another thread and I'll repeat it here. 

I find it very interesting that people who are 20 or 21 today in 2006 tend to seem to identify themselves as more "'00s kids" then "'90s kids".  Whereas people who were 20 or 21 in 1996 (about my age) tended to still view themselves as "'80s kids" rather then "'90s kids".

I'm a 90s kid, but a 00s teen.  :)

I'm a 90s kid, but a 00s teen.  :)


Same here  8)

I'm a 90s kid, but a 00s teen.  :)



Ditto ;) and I would say that I'm rather glad I'm a 90's kid instead of an 00's kid.

I kind of think of late 1985-early 1990 as the prime '00s kids.  They're like Gen Y's equivalent to the Brat Pack.


Yeah, we're the "brat pack", though I'd say it goes until mid-90, like the end of those graduating in '08. What are we, the MySpace Mongers and iPod Imbeciles  ;) ? We need to think of a better Brat Pack-like name.

Ditto ;) and I would say that I'm rather glad I'm a 90's kid instead of an 00's kid.


Ya I'm a '90s kid and '00s teen.

Yeah, we're the "brat pack", though I'd say it goes until mid-90, like the end of those graduating in '08. What are we, the MySpace Mongers and iPod Imbeciles  ;) ? We need to think of a better Brat Pack-like name.


Yeah, the late 1990ers seem like a *slightly* different people.  I'm kind of defensive about this since I have a nagging (but almost certainly untrue) suspicion that I was actually born in 1991.  I have OCD, so I get worried about such silly things, but I'm almost totally sure I was born in '90.  ;) :D

Yeah, the late 1990ers seem like a *slightly* different people.  I'm kind of defensive about this since I have a nagging (but almost certainly untrue) suspicion that I was actually born in 1991.  I have OCD, so I get worried about such silly things, but I'm almost totally sure I was born in '90.  ;) :D


The thing about the late 1983-mid 1985ers and the late 1990-mid 1992 people is while they're still basically pure Y, they sparkle a bit less in their Yness than the late 1985-mid 1990 bunch in HS around 2004, which I'm semi-proud to belong to.

The thing about the late 1983-mid 1985ers and the late 1990-mid 1992 people is while they're still basically pure Y, they sparkle a bit less in their Yness than the late 1985-mid 1990 bunch in HS around 2004, which I'm semi-proud to belong to.


Yeah they're not the peak.  I wouldn't say they're not full Yers though, just because they're slightly younger than me.  They're not as deep in the generation, but they're still definitely the youngers of our people.  I'd say late 1993ers are the first people that aren't fully with us in our experience of time as 1990ers.

Yeah they're not the peak.  I wouldn't say they're not full Yers though, just because they're slightly younger than me.  They're not as deep in the generation, but they're still definitely the youngers of our people.  I'd say late 1993ers are the first people that aren't fully with us in our experience of time as 1990ers.



Yeah late 1993ers-early 1994ers are the absolute first group that feels really different from me. Maybe it's because of there limited 90's experince.

The thing about the late 1983-mid 1985ers and the late 1990-mid 1992 people is while they're still basically pure Y, they sparkle a bit less in their Yness than the late 1985-mid 1990 bunch in HS around 2004, which I'm semi-proud to belong to.


Yeah, they don't SCREAM 'GenY' like those born in between. They more whisper it in a subtle manner. 

You guys just analyze this sh*t to death.  I keep asking myself why I even keep dropping into these threads.  It's like almost like a train wreck that you can't look away from.

You guys just analyze this sh*t to death.  I keep asking myself why I even keep dropping into these threads.  It's like almost like a train wreck that you can't look away from.


I'm in exactly the same boat as you, Chris MegatronTHX. Just can't help it. I think it's because it's the only instance of people actually being passionate - or totally obsessed about something, and being swept up in all of it.

Threads like,

'differences between 90s and 00s teens'
'pluses and minuses of 00s/90s'
'How are the 90s and 00s different'
'When did the 90s really end?'
'When did the 90s REALLY end?'
'When did the 90s REALLY REALLY end?'

I can say that the discussion is almost totally driven by three or four members (to a lesser extent myself). So it's a nice little sub-community of 3-4 members, kind of a rare thing in msg boards these days.

You guys just analyze this sh*t to death.  I keep asking myself why I even keep dropping into these threads.  It's like almost like a train wreck that you can't look away from.


You know something? If we're interested in analyzing it, it's really none of your f*cking business.

That and well...I think late 1992ers seem sorta different because they probably can't remember the whole mid-90s zeitgeist when everyone wore backwards baseball caps and flannel, seemingly.

I'm in exactly the same boat as you, Chris MegatronTHX. Just can't help it. I think it's because it's the only instance of people actually being passionate - or totally obsessed about something, and being swept up in all of it.

Threads like,

'differences between 90s and 00s teens'
'pluses and minuses of 00s/90s'
'How are the 90s and 00s different'
'When did the 90s really end?'
'When did the 90s REALLY end?'
'When did the 90s REALLY REALLY end?'

I can say that the discussion is almost totally driven by three or four members (to a lesser extent myself). So it's a nice little sub-community of 3-4 members, kind of a rare thing in msg boards these days.



Totally, and one of 'em. ;D. Seriously I have posted at least once in every one of these kinds of threads. I dont really know why I guess I just haven't gotten tired of them yet.

Teens of today seem a lot more spoiled.  When I was in high school (in the early to mid 90's)....people drove around junk cars, but were happy to have wheels...nowadays, I see these kids (looking not much older than 16 or 17) driving these sports cars, Hummers, and other very expensive cars.  Also, when I was in high school....not too many of us had cell phones, and other technological things, as teens of today thrive upon.

ok, i know that were talking about highschoolers but i'll make this quick.

ok, im only in sixth grade ( i'm turning 13 in may) and i hate the majority of my fellow sixth graders. the kids on my bus are always asking eachother if they want to go to cvs pharmacy. (i've been asked a few times too.) it's soo stupid. they go to cvs and just hang out. they dont buy anything. just hang out. i hate those kind of kids. they just go places and take up space. i saw a couple of kids hanging out at the outdoor shopping center where we live. they were just wandering around. taking up space. not buying anything. it just annoys me. there's this one girl (everyone thinks she's really hot but shes not) who was talking about how she'd kissed her boyfriend 9 times and how they were gonna make out. and another who was complaining that if she got braces she wouldn't be able to make out with her boy friend. another was telling one guy that he was obsessed with her friends "boobs." the girl doesn't even have boobs yet. she's completely flat chested. they all think they're so grown up. and i know im not either. i'm just as old as they are. i just can't stand them. (most of them)

ok, i know that were talking about highschoolers but i'll make this quick.

ok, im only in sixth grade ( i'm turning 13 in may) and i hate the majority of my fellow sixth graders. the kids on my bus are always asking eachother if they want to go to cvs pharmacy. (i've been asked a few times too.) it's soo stupid. they go to cvs and just hang out. they dont buy anything. just hang out. i hate those kind of kids. they just go places and take up space. i saw a couple of kids hanging out at the outdoor shopping center where we live. they were just wandering around. taking up space. not buying anything. it just annoys me. there's this one girl (everyone thinks she's really hot but shes not) who was talking about how she'd kissed her boyfriend 9 times and how they were gonna make out. and another who was complaining that if she got braces she wouldn't be able to make out with her boy friend. another was telling one guy that he was obsessed with her friends "boobs." the girl doesn't even have boobs yet. she's completely flat chested. they all think they're so grown up. and i know im not either. i'm just as old as they are. i just can't stand them. (most of them)


That sounds like my 6th grade class. People going out for "dates" and making burn books about each other, basically.

Thank goodness it wasn't so prevalent when I was that age. We actually acted like kids back then. A bit like that Simpsons episode when that new girl whose really popular comes to Springfield elementary, and ...well you pbly know the rest.

Yeah, the mid '90s is odd because their little kid years (and I'm talking really little, like 1 to 4) would be in the late nineties, which I remember really well.  Unlike say a 1992er or 1993er who I wouldn't remember a time before their birth.


Interesting, I guess when you can clearly remember a time someone was born, if not before, it does kinda put them into a different peer group. I have scattered memories of 1985 and '86 (and perhaps a few teeny snippets of '84 too), so that's no big deal, but I vividly recall when my younger cousin was born in '88.

However, expect this stuff to change with time (let's face it, age gaps decrease in significance as both parties get older ;)), but for the time being, this is how I see others. Perhaps for guys like Donnie, who are '90ers, moving it ahead 8 or 9 years would be similar to your experiences as well. :)

1995+: Young kids
1992-94ers: Transitional between above and below.
1987-91ers: Younger brother/sister types. Notably younger than me, but still similar enough to relate/be friends with them.
1983-86ers: Slightly younger peers. Semi noticeable differences to me, but I still think of them totally on my "level".
1981ers (and, what the heck, '82ers too, since I was born late in the year, and also graduated in '00): Same as me. :)
1975-80ers: Older, but still peerlike in basically every way. I've always felt like a "little 77er" for instance.
1962-74ers: "Babysitter"/older buddy type adults
1950-61ers: Younger parental figures. I still share some of their experiences and can be friends with them, though.
1935-49ers: Older parental figures. There's still a shred of likeness, but they've always definitely been older.
Pre-1935ers: Grandparent-types.

... any other takes?

10 years!

I think the main difference between 90's and 00's teens isn't music(as most 00's music is just a watered down version of 90's music) but like you guys said attitude. Like Trimac said 00's teens seem to concentrate much more on grades and studying than did 90's teens. I'm an 00's teen too(2000-2005 or 2007) so this is just a guess but it seems pretty accurate.


You must have went to a different school than me because back in the 00s a lot of them wanted to be rich but could really care less about studying or putting work in anything. I had classes where the class average was say 63.

I became a teenager in the last two years of the 90s. I was born in June, so I only spend half the year 1998 being 12 the other half being 13. The remainder of the 90s for me was jr. high. It felt different than elementary school, my childhood, because the mentality was you've got to act older and you can't like the things you did as a kid. Cliques were the worst, and it was anything but people being mature. Dressing the way you did even in the 6th grade, which was elementary in our district, was not cool. You suddenly had to take on a new appearance and follow trends. The second half of 8th grade it was the year 2000 and felt the same to me as the two previous years. It's hard to say because the last couple years of a decade tend to bring in things that will be prominent in the new decade.

I was in secondary school from 2004-2010 (if calculating age 12-18).
My mobile phone was Nokia all this time since 2004, I only got into social networks in 2009,
I discovered Youtube in 2007; computer was for internet, but more important, for games.
In 2005 I played Runescape all day; and I was still attached to earlier games, as AoE.
Clothes I wore in secondary school: semi-baggy jeans or cargo's with a shirt and in the winter
often a (grey) hoodie. It looked rather shabby when I think about it now, but that's what it was.
Only later things changed. I did not notice in 2008 that a financial crisis occurred, only that Greece
was a country without money and that Obama would change everything. Skinny jeans? Only noticed
them in 2011 I think. Change of music to electroblah? Only noticed later; I did rock and classical things.
Movies which were big: LOTR, Bourne Trilogy, Matrix things, Harry Potter; Books: Harry Potter and maybe
more, but I don't remember immediately. :)

I was in secondary school from 2004-2010 (if calculating age 12-18).
My mobile phone was Nokia all this time since 2004, I only got into social networks in 2009,
I discovered Youtube in 2007; computer was for internet, but more important, for games.
In 2005 I played Runescape all day; and I was still attached to earlier games, as AoE.
Clothes I wore in secondary school: semi-baggy jeans or cargo's with a shirt and in the winter
often a (grey) hoodie. It looked rather shabby when I think about it now, but that's what it was.
Only later things changed. I did not notice in 2008 that a financial crisis occurred, only that Greece
was a country without money and that Obama would change everything. Skinny jeans? Only noticed
them in 2011 I think. Change of music to electroblah? Only noticed later; I did rock and classical things.
Movies which were big: LOTR, Bourne Trilogy, Matrix things, Harry Potter; Books: Harry Potter and maybe
more, but I don't remember immediately. :)

My first phone was some kind of Nokia in 2004, but I was out of high school. I didn't play games on the computer, unless you count internet arcade ones. I wore t-shirts and jeans, and usually a hoodie. My favorite grey hoodie from back then has been retired this year, it's torn up! I just wore that to work because we get dirty. I first noticed skinny jeans some time this decade, stores started carrying them alot. I got on YouTube more in 08 and 09 to comment only. By 2010 I definately noticed pop was very different.

The main difference between 00's teens and 90's teens is that we (00's teens) had social media, youtube, cellphones, internet, msn messenger, myspace, etc and 90's teens had... well... tv, radio and the clueless tv show. ;D 00's teens rule 8)

90s teens had the following

BH 90210
New Kids On The Block
Backstreet Boys
Grunge

No difference! Victorian teens from the 1890s and 1900s were induced into child labour like cleaning chimneys and bottlewashing.

The main difference between 00's teens and 90's teens is that we (00's teens) had social media, youtube, cellphones, internet, msn messenger, myspace, etc and 90's teens had... well... tv, radio and the clueless tv show. ;D 00's teens rule 8)

Late 90's had internet, and before that, don't you think they'd have gone out and done things?  ::) It's funny how the above is coming from someone who thought the 2000's "stunk."  ::)

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The main difference between 00's teens and 90's teens is that we (00's teens) had social media, youtube


I didn't have it, and I was a 00s teen.

When I was a (late) teen, social media and youtube was just getting big, but I remember that Youtube was not that exciting earlier than 2008/09.

I didn't have it, and I was a 00s teen.

When I was a (late) teen, social media and youtube was just getting big, but I remember that Youtube was not that exciting earlier than 2008/09.

It was good for music videos.

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Does being a teen in 2008 and 2009 count?  ???

Does being a teen in 2008 and 2009 count?  ???


Being 13/14... if you see this as "peaking teen years", then maybe. It was not real 00s culture though by 2008. I still see 2008/09 as part of today's era. I also don't see myself as a 90s teen, even though I turned 13 in 1999. I think you should have turned at least 17/18 before 2010 to be a true 00s teen.

Being 13/14... if you see this as "peaking teen years", then maybe. It was not real 00s culture though by 2008. I still see 2008/09 as part of today's era. I also don't see myself as a 90s teen, even though I turned 13 in 1999. I think you should have turned at least 17/18 before 2010 to be a true 00s teen.
Hey in Germany, Did the technology boom come earlier than the U.S.?  As for a true 00s teen, I think it would be someone who spent all of their teenage years in the 00s and/or more than half.


Does being a teen in 2008 and 2009 count?  ???
Yes it does, but you are half. Dont let anyone tell you are not a 00s teen. You may not be a true 00s teen, but you still are part of it.

Hey in Germany, Did the technology boom come earlier than the U.S.? 


What technology boom do you exactly mean?

For the record, which age do you count forr teen years? 12-18? 13-19?

What technology boom do you exactly mean?
the rapid boom of the tablets, Ipads, smartphones etc.

For the record, which age do you count forr teen years? 12-18? 13-19?


All ages that end with "teen", however 13/14 is still very early and has often nothing to do with 18/19.

the rapid boom of the tablets, Ipads, smartphones etc.


I consider everything elso before that also a "technology boom". The digital technology boom actually started in the late 70s with the introduction of the personal computer and continued until today.

I consider everything elso before that also a "technology boom". The digital technology boom actually started in the late 70s with the introduction of the personal computer and continued until today.
But people werent connected to the world like today. Also, It's that why this generation is consider from 1977 to about 2000?

But people werent connected to the world like today. Also, It's that why this generation is consider from 1977 to about 2000?


Ok, when it comes to information/communication technology then would the late 90s be a good starting point for the "technology boom" (internet became household, aswell as cell phones).

I am not sure about the generation.

Ok, when it comes to information/communication technology then would the late 90s be a good starting point for the "technology boom" (internet became household, aswell as cell phones).

I am not sure about the generation.
I can agree with that, but the technology was still at home and not mobile where you can take it everywhere you go.

I can agree with that, but the technology was still at home and not mobile where you can take it everywhere you go.


Yes, ok, that's true, but who knows what comes next? And then we have another "technology boom"... no, I don't think so. It's more or less a very linear process. Cell phones, texting (in Europe common since the late 90s/early 2000s), and early mobile internet existed in the early 00s. Today we are using advanced forms of it.

Yes, ok, that's true, but who knows what comes next? And then we have another "technology boom"... no, I don't think so. It's more or less a very linear process. Cell phones, texting (in Europe common this the late 90s/early 2000s), and early mobile internet existed in the early 00s. Today we are using advanced forms of it.
Thats true we are. As for those 3 things, they did exist, but they werent common especially in the U.S. during the late 90s/early 00s.

All ages that end with "teen", however 13/14 is still very early and has often nothing to do with 18/19.

ok; yeah those ages are very different; for myself I see it as follows:
1996-2004: (age 4-12): kindergarten+primary school, "younger childhood"
2004-2010: (age 12-18): secondary school, "teen years"
2010-I don't know: (age 18-now): college, "college years"

Still remains the question: what's a '00s teen? What's essential to it? Do essential things even exist?
Nokia phone, no facebook, dark clothes? Internet certainly was something you needed to go to a
computer to get is. There are things which distinguish '00s time from '10s time, but these are not that different
from the later '90s..

ok; yeah those ages are very different; for myself I see it as follows:
1996-2004: (age 4-12): kindergarten+primary school, "younger childhood"
2004-2010: (age 12-18): secondary school, "teen years"
2010-I don't know: (age 18-now): college, "college years"

Still remains the question: what's a '00s teen? What's essential to it? Do essential things even exist?
Nokia phone, no facebook, dark clothes? Internet certainly was something you needed to go to a
computer to get is. There are things which distinguish '00s time from '10s time, but these are not that different
from the later '90s..
a 00s teen is someone who was a teen during some point in the 2000s, participated in the teen culture (fashion, Music, TV shows/Movies) and was in middle school or high school at the time. The essential things were Motorola Razr phones, other flip phones, digital camera, camcorders, AOL, Myspace, MP3s/Ipods, baggy clothing, spiky hair, Cesar haircut, lots of bracelets, bling hip-hop music, jean skirts, skunk hair, grillz, and hoop earrings.

Spiky hair was only early 00s though, I can't remember it being common after 2004.

O yes, those huge earrings. I still don't get how you
all managed to walk around without it getting stuck in everything you encountered

ok; yeah those ages are very different; for myself I see it as follows:
1996-2004: (age 4-12): kindergarten+primary school, "younger childhood"
2004-2010: (age 12-18): secondary school, "teen years"
2010-I don't know: (age 18-now): college, "college years"

Still remains the question: what's a '00s teen? What's essential to it? Do essential things even exist?
Nokia phone, no facebook, dark clothes? Internet certainly was something you needed to go to a
computer to get is. There are things which distinguish '00s time from '10s time, but these are not that different
from the later '90s..

A 2000's teen is anyone who's majority of their teen years took place that decade and ended that decade. I'd say more so the ones who graduated high school in a 00 something year than the ones who turned 18 in 2010. When the 2000's nostalgia was popular. The music, the internet trends, the style.

Still remains the question: what's a '00s teen? What's essential to it? Do essential things even exist?


I think, 00s teens are the first people, who spent their entire or most of their teenage years with the internet after it became household.
The 'first wave' of digitally connected teenagers so to speak.

Spiky hair was only early 00s though, I can't remember it being common after 2004.

O yes, those huge earrings. I still don't get how you
all managed to walk around without it getting stuck in everything you encountered


It was for people who were teens during the first half of the decade.
Many late 00s trends are seen as what defines 00s teens but I wasn't a teenager for any of the late 2000s.

Yeah so there are people with many different experiences though all are 00s teens.

I know the spiky hair from primary school.  In secondary school it was longer an rather unruly;
but my experience might be skewed because my school was quite preppy so pop culture was more toned down..

It was for people who were teens during the first half of the decade.
Many late 00s trends are seen as what defines 00s teens but I wasn't a teenager for any of the late 2000s.


Actually I think it's early and mid 2000s, late 2000s is too much like today and therefore it isn't really 00s.

Yeah so there are people with many different experiences though all are 00s teens.

I know the spiky hair from primary school.  In secondary school it was longer an rather unruly;
but my experience might be skewed because my school was quite preppy so pop culture was more toned down..

My school was preppy too and the frosted spiked tips hair was a more jr. high era thing, but in high school boys wore it short on the sides and longer on top, and some would gel theirs.

A 2000's teen is anyone who's majority of their teen years took place that decade and ended that decade. I'd say more so the ones who graduated high school in a 00 something year than the ones who turned 18 in 2010. When the 2000's nostalgia was popular. The music, the internet trends, the style.
So the group who spent majority of their teen years in the 00s were born from 1984 (if they were born late) to 1994 (if they were born early) and the people who turned 18 in 2010 were in high school from 2006-10 or 2007-11 (if they were born late). They were in high school more of the 00s than the 10s.


Spiky hair was only early 00s though, I can't remember it being common after 2004.

O yes, those huge earrings. I still don't get how you
all managed to walk around without it getting stuck in everything you encountered
Thats true. Not only that, some girls actually had their name between their hoop earrings too.

In my opinion, if you remember your teenage years taking place in the 00s rather than in the 10s or 90s, you are a 00s teen. If somebody born in the mid 90s comes and claims to be part of the 00s teen generation, that's just ridicolous. I was born in a mid-decade-year myself and do not consider myself a 90s teen, even though, 1999 (especially the later half) was quite teenage-like for me. But this was so late in the decade and 2000 was just around the corner, that I never considered myself a 90s teen. I don't think it is much different from those born in late 1984/85 who became teenagers around 1997/98.

In my opinion, if you remember your teenage years taking place in the 00s rather than in the 10s or 90s, you are a 00s teen. If somebody born in the mid 90s comes and claims to be part of the 00s teen generation, that's just ridicolous. I was born in a mid-decade-year myself and do not consider myself a 90s teen, even though, 1999 (especially the later half) was quite teenage-like for me. But this was so late in the decade and 2000 was just around the corner, that I never considered myself a 90s teen. I don't think it is much different from those born in late 1984/85 who became teenagers around 1997/98.
You're correct. It's not much different because people who were in the class of '03 (Born 1984-85) were in high school and spent their teen years more in the 00s. (1999-03)

So the group who spent majority of their teen years in the 00s were born from 1984 (if they were born late) to 1994 (if they were born early) and the people who turned 18 in 2010 were in high school from 2006-10 or 2007-11 (if they were born late). They were in high school more of the 00s than the 10s.
Thats true. Not only that, some girls actually had their name between their hoop earrings too.

IMO being done with high school in the 2000's is what I mean. Even at 18 or 19 in the fall of 2010, you'd be entering college or working, so the experiences and life would be different. I became a teenager in the late 90's, but it wasn't the height of my teenage years. A 2000 or 20001 graduate only spent a year or two still in high school, but jr. high and most of high school would have been 90's.

IMO being done with high school in the 2000's is what I mean. Even at 18 or 19 in the fall of 2010, you'd be entering college or working, so the experiences and life would be different. I became a teenager in the late 90's, but it wasn't the height of my teenage years. A 2000 or 20001 graduate only spent a year or two still in high school, but jr. high and most of high school would have been 90's.
Thats true. The 2000 and '01 class did spend 1 or 2 years of high school in the 00s, but the height of their teen years were mostly 90s as they were juniors and seniors in high school when 2000 hit and they were preparing for college and other things. Your height of your teen years would mostly be the early 2000s as that's when you were mostly in high school. As for the people who were 18 and 19 in 2010, that's also true because I have lots of friends born in those two years and they were already getting ready for college and applying for jobs everywhere. Not only that, the height of their of teen years were mostly 00s, so they are definitely 00s teens.

I agree; I see my teen years as ended when I started college in 2010. The late 00s were different from
the rest of the 00s, but when a general change of atmosphere took place in pop culture and politics and economy around 2008, I was a teen already for some years, (though the late 00s are important years of my teenhood).
What about 00s teens as the ones who were teen under Bush' presidency  :P (at least for Americans, I'm European)?

I agree; I see my teen years as ended when I started college in 2010. The late 00s were different from
the rest of the 00s, but when a general change of atmosphere took place in pop culture and politics and economy around 2008, I was a teen already for some years, (though the late 00s are important years of my teenhood).
What about 00s teens as the ones who were teen under Bush' presidency  :P (at least for Americans, I'm European)?
Since Bush #2 was president from 2001-08, there was lot of changes. First, there was 9/11 which shook the whole country and destroyed our innocence. Then, we declared war against Afghanistan in wake of finding Bin Laden. In 2003, we decided to invade Iraq (which was a huge mistake) to find Saddam and his WMDs. In 2004, There was a president election in which was Bush vs. Kerry. I watched some it, but not all of it. In November of that year, Bush won the presidency for a second term which lasted from 2005-08. Then in 2005, we had Hurricane Katrina happening in New Orleans during the summer which destroyed most of the city and caused everyone to relocate to a new area. In 2006, We captured Saddam and very late in the year, he was executed by the government. In 2008, America had a huge change. We went through a big recession which set us back dramatically as lot of people lost their jobs and there was the president election with Obama and McCain. At the end of '08, Obama won the election making him the first black president of America. So the 2000s teens had lots of huge influential changes starting with 9/11 and ending with the 2008 Election. And you're right, the late 00s were way different than most of the decade as there was large changes everywhere spanning from technology to cultural differences. Last, just like you, by the time the american culture changed vastly in 2008, I was already a teenager and in high school.

It's interesting how politics and economy influence your teenage life. Was it really that much different to be a teenager when Bush was president?

Since Bush #2 was president from 2001-08, there was lot of changes. First, there was 9/11 which shook the whole country and destroyed our innocence. Then, we declared war against Afghanistan in wake of finding Bin Laden. In 2003, we decided to invade Iraq (which was a huge mistake) to find Saddam and his WMDs. In 2004, There was a president election in which was Bush vs. Kerry. I watched some it, but not all of it. In November of that year, Bush won the presidency for a second term which lasted from 2005-08. Then in 2005, we had Hurricane Katrina happening in New Orleans during the summer which destroyed most of the city and caused everyone to relocate to a new area. In 2006, We captured Saddam and very late in the year, he was executed by the government. In 2008, America had a huge change. We went through a big recession which set us back dramatically as lot of people lost their jobs and there was the president election with Obama and McCain. At the end of '08, Obama won the election making him the first black president of America. So the 2000s teens had lots of huge influential changes starting with 9/11 and ending with the 2008 Election. And you're right, the late 00s were way different than most of the decade as there was large changes everywhere spanning from technology to cultural differences. Last, just like you, by the time the american culture changed vastly in 2008, I was already a teenager and in high school.


We never had "innocence". We were aware of the Rwandan Genocide, Columbine Massacre, and we were aware of terrorists for several years. The only people who were innocent were little kids (I was almost 6 years old when 9/11 happened and I didn't know about it until I was in middle school).

It's interesting how politics and economy influence your teenage life. Was it really that much different to be a teenager when Bush was president?
Yes, because as a teen, you pay attention to the culture around you. Teenagers actually apply for jobs when they are 15-17 and sometimes earlier. The economy affects everyone on what to buy, to save, and if you should wait for the right moment to use the money now or later. Politics can definitely influence teens as some are interested in government affairs, elections, and worldly debates.


We never had "innocence". We were aware of the Rwandan Genocide, Columbine Massacre, and we were aware of terrorists for several years. The only people who were innocent were little kids (I was almost 6 years old when 9/11 happened and I didn't know about it until I was in middle school).
Yes, we had those too, but that all happened in the 90s and those didnt do much damage to america like 9/11 did and what I mean by innocence, I mean we lost our freedom, people we cared about, the twin towers, and our strength. After 9/11, the country went into a paranoia shock of fear of thinking it might happen again.

We never had "innocence". We were aware of the Rwandan Genocide, Columbine Massacre, and we were aware of terrorists for several years. The only people who were innocent were little kids (I was almost 6 years old when 9/11 happened and I didn't know about it until I was in middle school).

You'd be aware of what is discussed in the news, you'd of course be old enough to understand there is bad in the world, but alot of teenagers didn't give it much thought because it wasn't happening in their life until then. These days it feels like they care more.

Yes, because as a teen, you pay attention to the culture around you. Teenagers actually apply for jobs when they are 15-17 and sometimes earlier. The economy affects everyone on what to buy, to save, and if you should wait for the right moment to use the money now or later. Politics can definitely influence teens as some are interested in government affairs, elections, and worldly debates.
Yes, we had those too, but that all happened in the 90s and those didnt do much damage to america like 9/11 did and what I mean by innocence, I mean we lost our freedom, people we cared about, the twin towers, and our strength. After 9/11, the country went into a paranoia shock of fear of thinking it might happen again.


We never lost our freedom. We can still do a bunch of things, such as own guns, speak freely, choose our religion, choose who we vote for, etc. We never lost that stuff, yes it's been threatened, especially in recent years (with the Obama administration using the Sandy Hook shooting as an excuse/opportunity to take away our guns). 500,000-1,000,000 people died in the Rwandan Genocide, compared to the 2,000+ people who died in 9/11. So much time has passed that we forget the bad and the effect that it had on reality at the time. We never appreciated the twin towers until they were gone, so we took those for granted. Remember, there was a patriotic outlook on America for the next few years, and we were willing to fight for our safety, which made us stronger. I also don't think you realize the effect Columbine had on America because you were only a little kid.

Spiky hair was only early 00s though, I can't remember it being common after 2004.

O yes, those huge earrings. I still don't get how you
all managed to walk around without it getting stuck in everything you encountered


I found out you're European, so if you say spiky hair is early 2000s where you lived, then I believe you. But here in America spiky hair lasted throughout all of the early and mid 2000s according to my sister and my memory of looking at people at the mall in the mid 2000s. The spiky hair trend was kick started by Americans, so it seems natural that Americans latch on to it longer and they tend to be less fickle when it comes to fashion.

We never lost our freedom. We can still do a bunch of things, such as own guns, speak freely, choose our religion, choose who we vote for, etc. We never lost that stuff, yes it's been threatened, especially in recent years (with the Obama administration using the Sandy Hook shooting as an excuse/opportunity to take away our guns). 500,000-1,000,000 people died in the Rwandan Genocide, compared to the 2,000+ people who died in 9/11. So much time has passed that we forget the bad and the effect that it had on reality at the time. We never appreciated the twin towers until they were gone, so we took those for granted. Remember, there was a patriotic outlook on America for the next few years, and we were willing to fight for our safety, which made us stronger. I also don't think you realize the effect Columbine had on America because you were only a little kid.
I understand we can still do all of that today. and I heard about Rwandan. It was sad to hear that over a million people died for no reason. That should never happen to anyone, no matter what happens. You're right about the towers as we didnt appreciate them and now we never will unfortunately. and we sure did fight for our safety. we were not going to give up and let the terrorists tear us apart. As for Columbine, yes, I was a kid when it happened and that was terrible what happened to those people. They didnt deserve to die. None of them did. It also changed alot on what can you bring to school to defend yourself from harm. Not only that, but if you bring any weapons to school today, you are automatically in huge trouble for putting others in danger. Before Columbine, I heard you can bring anything to school. now these days you cant.

There is a main difference of ten years.

There is a slight difference between teenagers of the late 90s (~1980-84) and the early 00s (~1983-87), the internet being more popular in the early 00s.
However, there is a huge difference between teenagers of the early 90s (~1973-77) and the late 00s (~1990-94), growing up in two totally different worlds.

I wish today's teens would just get off their damn electronic devices and pay attention for fudge sake, they're too busy living in lala land!  ::)

Late 2000s teens had good looks.

Late 2000s teens had good looks.


No they didn't. Stop lying. ::)

No they didn't. Stop lying. ::)


I speak from experience.

I speak from experience.


I have proof that late 00's teens weren't good looking.

90's teens:
http://drisswillis.d.r.pic.centerblog.net/db446a7c.jpg

Late 00's teens:
http://cdn.smosh.com/sites/default/files/ftpuploads/bloguploads/0613/celebs-hotdogs-alltimelow.jpg

I rest my case!

Those are old men. I'm talking about teens, and I'm not gonna post pictures or make comparisons because I don't wanna be arrested.

Those are old men. I'm talking about teens, and I'm not gonna post pictures or make comparisons because I don't wanna be arrested.


Like this?

http://fampz.abroaderperspect.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/chris-hansen.jpg

I have proof that late 00's teens weren't good looking.

90's teens:
http://drisswillis.d.r.pic.centerblog.net/db446a7c.jpg

Late 00's teens:
http://cdn.smosh.com/sites/default/files/ftpuploads/bloguploads/0613/celebs-hotdogs-alltimelow.jpg

I rest my case!


Didn't know late 00's teens had a craving for hot dogs. Guess I missed that trend in the late '00s. I'm more of a cheeseburger kind of guy.

I have proof that late 00's teens weren't good looking.

90's teens:
http://drisswillis.d.r.pic.centerblog.net/db446a7c.jpg

Blimey, there should really be a drinking game for each time you post that specific image of Xtreme-era Sum 41! :P

Didn't know late 00's teens had a craving for hot dogs. Guess I missed that trend in the late '00s. I'm more of a cheeseburger kind of guy.


I think Pizza was early 00's because that's what New Found Glory ate in the My Friends Over You video. Not sure what the trend for the mid 00's was, maybe Cyanide? Surely this must of carried on into the late 00's but I cannot confirm.


Blimey, there should really be a drinking game for each time you post that specific image of Xtreme-era Sum 41! :P


Headlines for next week's paper read: "Liver Failure Spikes in US Over Short Period of Time"

I think Pizza was early 00's because that's what New Found Glory ate in the My Friends Over You video. Not sure what the trend for the mid 00's was, maybe Cyanide? Surely this must of carried on into the late 00's but I cannot confirm.


Could go for some pizza right about now.  :P

Could go for some pizza right about now.  :P


Me too! Some pizza and a back-to-back play of NFG's Self-titled and Sticks and Stones... 8)

I speak from experience.


I speak from experience too. Really not my style. Still better than 2010s teens/young adults though.  ;D

Me too! Some pizza and a back-to-back play of NFG's Self-titled and Sticks and Stones... 8)


Don't forget the Tony Hawk video games! Now it's a party!

I speak from experience too. Really not my style. Still better than 2010s teens/young adults though.  ;D


Early 10s was my peak  attractiveness ;D Now I have laugh lines and my hairline has receded  :\'( Somebody stop time!!

Early 10s was my peak  attractiveness ;D Now I have laugh lines and my hairline has receded  :\'( Somebody stop time!!


That's kind of depressing.  :(

Negative thinking like that can affect ones outward appearance  :P. But perhaps, there will be some sort of anti aging machine in the future. :D

That's kind of depressing.  :(

Negative thinking like that can affect ones outward appearance  :P. But perhaps, there will be some sort of anti aging machine in the future. :D


lol true. I still think I look okay, especially since I'm not skin and bones like I used to be. Avril Lavigne has discovered the fountain the youth, I'll ask her where it is.

I have proof that late 00's teens weren't good looking.

90's teens:
http://drisswillis.d.r.pic.centerblog.net/db446a7c.jpg

Late 00's teens:
http://cdn.smosh.com/sites/default/files/ftpuploads/bloguploads/0613/celebs-hotdogs-alltimelow.jpg

I rest my case!
So not true ;D

More like this

90s
http://36.media.tumblr.com/f767aa083a4b47cee13d25f18dae7085/tumblr_n39ilducyZ1r4m57ko1_500.jpg

00s
http://www.curiehs.org/pics/curiehomepage_2004.jpg

late 00s

https://www.greenville.k12.sc.us/trest/images/senior08.jpg

See? There are good looking late 00s adolescents. 

So not true ;D

More like this

90s
http://36.media.tumblr.com/f767aa083a4b47cee13d25f18dae7085/tumblr_n39ilducyZ1r4m57ko1_500.jpg

00s
http://www.curiehs.org/pics/curiehomepage_2004.jpg

late 00s

https://www.greenville.k12.sc.us/trest/images/senior08.jpg

See? There are good looking late 00s adolescents.


It's not even close! Late 2000s teens win. The battle for second place is undecided, but it is moot.

It's not even close! Late 2000s teens win. The battle for second place is undecided, but it is moot.
Would you go back to the culture of that time?

Would you go back to the culture of that time?
Maybe if I could live it differently. I'm happy with my life situation right now though :)

What about you? I'm starting to miss 2007/early 2008. I was talking with my 10 year old sister about what her first memory was, and she remembers as far back as Summer of '08 when we were at the beach. She remembers me playing soccer with my friends and swinging on the swings, and teacher her how to rock throw in the lake. Even I completely forgot about that! It was an awesome summer, especially with the Olympics  ;D

So not true ;D

More like this

90s
http://36.media.tumblr.com/f767aa083a4b47cee13d25f18dae7085/tumblr_n39ilducyZ1r4m57ko1_500.jpg

00s
http://www.curiehs.org/pics/curiehomepage_2004.jpg

late 00s

https://www.greenville.k12.sc.us/trest/images/senior08.jpg

See? There are good looking late 00s adolescents.


I liked the core 2000s teens.

Late 2000s teens had good looks.


How do you know that?  ::)

How do you know that?  ::)


I was in high school 2006-2010. Ipso facto, late 2000s teens are good looking  ;D They are also intelligent.... And modest.

I was in high school 2006-2010. Ipso facto, late 2000s teens are good looking  ;D They are also intelligent.... And modest.


Late 2000s teens were a crazy bunch. How do you compare them to the current age of teens?

Late 2000s teens were a crazy bunch. How do you compare them to the current age of teens?


By simply thinking that current teens are tech-savvy as hell. Sure late 2000s teens were somehow obsessed with their flip-phones, but that's not unhealthy compared to current teens.

By simply thinking that current teens are tech-savvy as hell. Sure late 2000s teens were somehow obsessed with their flip-phones, but that's not unhealthy compared to current teens.


A chart that shows teen cellphone usage compared to adults from 2004-2008
http://www.pewinternet.org/files/old-media/6B18377491434BD4949D22C678EAB33A.jpg

Due to how popular phones are now (seeing a teen without a phone is harder than finding a needle in a hay stack in some areas) I assume that teen phone usage is now on par with adults or it may have surpassed adults (that's assuming adults haven't drastically increased the same way teens did).

Late 2000s teens were a crazy bunch. How do you compare them to the current age of teens?


I'm not the "youth of today are going to destroy the world  >:(" type. Most teens I've met are kind, creative, ambitious people with quirky personifies. They're cool in my book  ;)

I'm not the "youth of today are going to destroy the world  >:(" type. Most teens I've met are kind, creative, ambitious people with quirky personifies. They're cool in my book  ;)


The youth of today are supposed to be Gen Z. Internet articles tell me that Zers will save the world (or at least make it a bit better). Although there are people who disagree with that. I've seen teens who can be creative and ambitious. Good chance these teens will end up running companies someday. But who knows.

The youth of today are supposed to be Gen Z. Internet articles tell me that Zers will save the world (or at least make it a bit better). Although there are people who disagree with that. I've seen teens who can be creative and ambitious. Good chance these teens will end up running companies someday. But who knows.


They're supposed to be Gen Z but I don't notice a generational  difference between them and me. They're only like 5-7 years younger , which will never be a generational gap no matter what age.

Other than that, I have noticed a tech addiction of sorts. I took a first-year writing course (elective) this year. It was full of kids born 1997 mostly. One day I walked into class, and the class was dead silent you could hear a pin drop. Everyone had their face stuck to their phone or on their laptops... Way too uncomfortably quiet. No one was talking to each other! Other than that, I haven't noticed any huge generational difference.

They're supposed to be Gen Z but I don't notice a generational  difference between them and me. They're only like 5-7 years younger , which will never be a generational gap no matter what age.

Other than that, I have noticed a tech addiction of sorts. I took a first-year writing course (elective) this year. It was full of kids born 1997 mostly. One day I walked into class, and the class was dead silent you could hear a pin drop. Everyone had their face stuck to their phone or on their laptops... Way too uncomfortably quiet. No one was talking to each other! Other than that, I haven't noticed any huge generational difference.


The way I see it if a person is 5 years or less older or younger than I'd never call it a generational gap. There is a difference sure, but never something as big as a generational gap. It bothers me on how some would say "Everyone born after the year I was born is in a different generation" as if being born 1-2 year later makes any difference (it doesn't in the slightest).

As for the tech addiction I can see that. And it's crazy how teens would be right next to each other, but don't turn and talk to each other as if the other person doesn't exist at that moment. Late 00's teens didn't even do that in the area that I lived. They may say "Hold up let me text someone", but then would put the flip phone down and chat to their buddies. Heck I've never seen a class room full of teens that didn't talk to each other unless the teacher didn't want them to.

The way I see it if a person is 5 years or less older or younger than I'd never call it a generational gap. There is a difference sure, but never something as big as a generational gap. It bothers me on how some would say "Everyone born after the year I was born is in a different generation" as if being born 1-2 year later makes any difference (it doesn't in the slightest).

As for the tech addiction I can see that. And it's crazy how teens would be right next to each other, but don't turn and talk to each other as if the other person doesn't exist at that moment. Late 00's teens didn't even do that in the area that I lived. They may say "Hold up let me text someone", but then would put the flip phone down and chat to their buddies. Heck I've never seen a class room full of teens that didn't talk to each other unless the teacher didn't want them to.


Yeah, in the late 2000s it was rude to pick up your phone if you were talking to someone in person. I always apologized or just didn't pick up at all. I have to do admit though, even among people my age, we've lost that etiquette, people text and browse the Internet in front of other people without thinking about it. There's no need to apologize these days. For that reason, I can't consider it a generational difference if people my age are doing it too. That dead silence isn't something I noticed in my 4th year classes though (1994 borns and other early 90s borns mostly). If there's awkward silence, someone always breaks it with Why is it so quiet here?.

Yeah, in the late 2000s it was rude to pick up your phone if you were talking to someone in person. I always apologized or just didn't pick up at all. I have to do admit though, even among people my age, we've lost that etiquette, people text and browse the Internet in front of other people without thinking about it. There's no need to apologize these days. For that reason, I can't consider it a generational difference if people my age are doing it too. That dead silence isn't something I noticed in my 4th year classes though (1994 borns and other early 90s borns mostly). If there's awkward silence, someone always breaks it with Why is it so quiet here?.


I've never notice it with early-mid 1990s born (1990-1995/6) in highschools the late 2000s. But in the mid 2010s I've noticed that almost everyone no matter the age have grown a cell phone/computer addiction.

I've never notice it with early-mid 1990s born (1990-1995/6) in highschools the late 2000s. But in the mid 2010s I've noticed that almost everyone no matter the age have grown a cell phone/computer addiction.


I don't really mind the "addiction", just put your phone away when you're around your friends  ;D The phone can wait.

There's some uses for it though, like when I'm debating with my friends about anything, you can use the phone as a fact checker, or maybe show your friends a funny YouTube video, but some people are texting other friends while talking to their friend in front of them. That's just rude...

Don't forget the Tony Hawk video games! Now it's a party!


Too true! Tony Hawk, NFG and Pizza! Livin' it up like it's 1998-2002!


Early 10s was my peak  attractiveness ;D Now I have laugh lines and my hairline has receded  :\'( Somebody stop time!!


Hairline receding... At 23?


So not true ;D

More like this

90s


00s


late 00s


See? There are good looking late 00s adolescents.


Everyone after the 90s looks bland. 8-P In the 90s photo they all look rad like Sum 41 and a blink-182! ;)

Hairline receding... At 23?


At 22! It's stopped now.

At 22! It's stopped now.


Oh, that's good! I've heard that a lot of younger people's hairline's are receding these days. Is this becoming a common thing? ???

Oh, that's good! I've heard that a lot of younger people's hairline's are receding these days. Is this becoming a common thing? ???


I've heard people say that, but I didn't think it was true. My uncle was noticeably bald by the time he was 17 so I thought I got it from him through my mom's side.

I've heard people say that, but I didn't think it was true. My uncle was noticeably bald by the time he was 17 so I thought I got it from him through my mom's side.


Jesus, really? How old's your uncle now?

Jesus, really? How old's your uncle now?


Hmm I think he's just above 40 now.

I think the reason I started shedding was because I didn't get Vitamin D. It was in the winter and the temperatures dropped to - 35C/-30F for weeks on end, and the sun barely came up. And when it did, I didn't make a point to go outside. By the time spring rolled around, it stopped  :o Lesson learnt, don't be a shut in. That might explain why people are losing hair younger these days, but it's my armchair science.

Edit: alternatively, I should blame climate change. Stupid polar vortex!! You know, I think that might work to make people make take action quicker. If you don't tackle climate change, you will all be ugly!  :o

Hmm I think he's just above 40 now.

I think the reason I started shedding was because I didn't get Vitamin D. It was in the winter and the temperatures dropped to - 35C/-30F for weeks on end, and the sun barely came up. And when it did, I didn't make a point to go outside. By the time spring rolled around, it stopped  :o Lesson learnt, don't be a shut in. That might explain why people are losing hair younger these days, but it's my armchair science.

Edit: alternatively, I should blame climate change. Stupid polar vortex!! You know, I think that might work to make people make take action quicker. If you don't tackle climate change, you will all be ugly!  :o


He went bald around 1993-ish, huh? I think around then shaving your head became more acceptable but that might of been around 1995/1996. Did he ever shave it or does he just do the Costanza?

Can we blame Tom Delonge? He's a dick!

I think shaving your head looks pretty cool and tough but leaving the patchy thin hair looks pretty bad.

The youth of today are supposed to be Gen Z. Internet articles tell me that Zers will save the world (or at least make it a bit better). Although there are people who disagree with that. I've seen teens who can be creative and ambitious. Good chance these teens will end up running companies someday. But who knows.
They are. Currently, those in K-12 are mainly Plurals as the atmosphere has changed from Millennials to theirs. As for the articles, I have to disagree because the studies are making predictions way too early considering that neither the Xers nor Millennials haven't made huge changes yet towards the world. I cam see them making great ideas though.


Everyone after the 90s looks bland. 8-P In the 90s photo they all look rad like Sum 41 and a blink-182! ;)
Not even ;D. Both are cool in their own way.


Maybe if I could live it differently. I'm happy with my life situation right now though :)

What about you? I'm starting to miss 2007/early 2008. I was talking with my 10 year old sister about what her first memory was, and she remembers as far back as Summer of '08 when we were at the beach. She remembers me playing soccer with my friends and swinging on the swings, and teacher her how to rock throw in the lake. Even I completely forgot about that! It was an awesome summer, especially with the Olympics  ;D
Yeah, I would as there are some things I would like to change about that period. For instance, I wish I would have attended the school dances (except formal) when they happened (I basically skipped out on them). I wish I would have asked out someone (although it's never too late). I even wish I had played football much sooner. There are more others, but I'll leave it here.


I liked the core 2000s teens.
Me too. They weren't even that bad compared to what Jordan thinks about them.

Not even ;D. Both are cool in their own way.
Me too. They weren't even that bad compared to what Jordan thinks about them.


It's all wing hair PSP madness to me. I prefer the 90's and early 00's style, that's more my thing. 8)

He went bald around 1993-ish, huh? I think around then shaving your head became more acceptable but that might of been around 1995/1996. Did he ever shave it or does he just do the Costanza?

Can we blame Tom Delonge? He's a dick!

I think shaving your head looks pretty cool and tough but leaving the patchy thin hair looks pretty bad.


I thought 1993 was grunge! Shoulder length hair and stuff  ;D He got these nasty hair plugs, they looked atrocious! He got married at 24 though, and he embraced the Costanza a few years later.

My hair looks normal for my age, so I'm not too worried right now. I couldn't pull off scene hair if I tried though.

I thought 1993 was grunge! Shoulder length hair and stuff  ;D He got these nasty hair plugs, they looked atrocious! He got married at 24 though, and he embraced the Costanza a few years later.

My hair looks normal for my age, so I'm not too worried right now. I couldn't pull off scene hair if I tried though.


Yeah, it was but this was also around the time head shaving became common and acceptable or so I think. :P Hair plugs!? Jesus! Did his wife know he was losing his hair or did he hide it? ;D

Good. You need bleached spiky hair. ;)

Yeah, it was but this was also around the time head shaving became common and acceptable or so I think. :P Hair plugs!? Jesus! Did his wife know he was losing his hair or did he hide it? ;D

Good. You need bleached spiky hair. ;)


I have no idea  ;D I don't think I'll get an answer even if I asked. I'm guessing she did, his fake hair was super obvious just by looking at old photos.

I don't do anything fancy with my hair anymore. Just sweep it to the side and it looks decent, like Don Draper in Mad Men without the pomade or brylcream. ;D

I have no idea  ;D I don't think I'll get an answer even if I asked. I'm guessing she did, his fake hair was super obvious just by looking at old photos.

I don't do anything fancy with my hair anymore. Just sweep it to the side and it looks decent, like Don Draper in Mad Men without the pomade or brylcream. ;D


Hahaha, that's pretty funny. Your uncle sounds like a wacky guy! :D

You're telling me you don't want hair like this?! :o

https://fanart.tv/fanart/music/9701356d-08d9-45ba-975d-977ab466e7be/artistbackground/starting-line-the-5004e14f40b00.jpg

Hahaha, that's pretty funny. Your uncle sounds like a wacky guy! :D

You're telling me you don't want hair like this?! :o

https://fanart.tv/fanart/music/9701356d-08d9-45ba-975d-977ab466e7be/artistbackground/starting-line-the-5004e14f40b00.jpg


No, I'm an early 10s hipster.

http://blog.dudepins.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/Pete-Campbell-conservative-hairstyle.jpg

No, I'm an early 10s hipster.

http://blog.dudepins.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/Pete-Campbell-conservative-hairstyle.jpg


Early 00's > Early 10's.

You can't fight with math.

Early 00's > Early 10's.

You can't fight with math.


I had a bowl cut in the late 90s, then I had an emo shag in the early 2000s because we were getting closer to 2004.

I had a bowl cut in the late 90s, then I had an emo shag in the early 2000s because we were getting closer to 2004.


Yes, yes, the previous 3 years you had the bowl cut but then "omg rokkin duh fringe since 03" I get it.

Yeah, I would as there are some things I would like to change about that period. For instance, I wish I would have attended the school dances (except formal) when they happened (I basically skipped out on them). I wish I would have asked out someone (although it's never too late). I even wish I had played football much sooner. There are more others, but I'll leave it here.


Yeah, those would have been awesome things to do, especially the dances. Thanks for sharing, it's always interesting to hear what people would want to do differently. :)

Me, I would have went to the psychiatrist and got pills for my social anxiety. I was practically a mute for most of high school (except the last two years). I didn't really break out of my shell until I got to university, now I'm that guy that makes small talk in the elevator. I wish I could transport my current social skills back in time.

By simply thinking that current teens are tech-savvy as hell. Sure late 2000s teens were somehow obsessed with their flip-phones, but that's not unhealthy compared to current teens.


that's one comparison.

I've never notice it with early-mid 1990s born (1990-1995/6) in highschools the late 2000s. But in the mid 2010s I've noticed that almost everyone no matter the age have grown a cell phone/computer addiction.


and it's going to continue to grow no matter how you look at things.

At 22! It's stopped now.


my hairline receded when I was in my late 20's.

I've heard people say that, but I didn't think it was true. My uncle was noticeably bald by the time he was 17 so I thought I got it from him through my mom's side.


you get the bald "gene" from you're mother's side.

Yeah, those would have been awesome things to do, especially the dances. Thanks for sharing, it's always interesting to hear what people would want to do differently. :)

Me, I would have went to the psychiatrist and got pills for my social anxiety. I was practically a mute for most of high school (except the last two years). I didn't really break out of my shell until I got to university, now I'm that guy that makes small talk in the elevator. I wish I could transport my current social skills back in time.
I agree completely (although it began back in HS despite trying to improve them). Another thing at that time, I wish I would have hung out with more people outside of school (it's getting better now though.)

I agree completely (although it began back in HS despite trying to improve them). Another thing at that time, I wish I would have hung out with more people outside of school (it's getting better now though.)


Do you mean hang out with them after school, or do you mean hang out with people that don't attend your school?

Do you mean hang out with them after school, or do you mean hang out with people that don't attend your school?
Both. I had opportunities at times, but I didn't take them considering that my social skills were not like today. (They weren't bad though)

Both. I had opportunities at times, but I didn't take them considering that my social skills were not like today. (They weren't bad though)


Ah, I see. I had it easy, a lot of my friends lived in the same neighbourhood as me, so they were all walking distance. We walked home together and hung out after school all the time, and my house was close enough to school that me and my friends would often chill at my house for lunch. Maybe you should make a wish for that ;D

Ah, I see. I had it easy, a lot of my friends lived in the same neighbourhood as me, so they were all walking distance. We walked home together and hung out after school all the time, and my house was close enough to school that me and my friends would often chill at my house for lunch. Maybe you should make a wish for that ;D
Although this is late, but no wonder why you had it easy. Since I lived far from my HS, I had took the school bus there and back home, so I didn't have chances to hang with my friends unless it was the weekend (I also had friends who went were on different buses as well and were closer to the school so we were all scattered out). If I had been closer to my HS, I definitely would have hung with them.

Although this is late, but no wonder why you had it easy. Since I lived far from my HS, I had took the school bus there and back home, so I didn't have chances to hang with my friends unless it was the weekend (I also had friends who went were on different buses as well and were closer to the school so we were all scattered out). If I had been closer to my HS, I definitely would have hung with them.


High school in the suburbs must've sucked.  :o

High school in the suburbs must've sucked.  :o
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Nah, it was alright although it would have been much better to be closer to the HS I attended. I also had the option to go to the one that was about 20 minutes near me, but it was ghetto ;D and it just wasn't for me.

Teens of today seem a lot more spoiled.  When I was in high school (in the early to mid 90's)....people drove around junk cars, but were happy to have wheels...nowadays, I see these kids (looking not much older than 16 or 17) driving these sports cars, Hummers, and other very expensive cars.  Also, when I was in high school....not too many of us had cell phones, and other technological things, as teens of today thrive upon.


Gosh, that was so true! I remember being a kid and seeing the high schoolers drive these fabulous automobiles around the districts acting as if they own the place. 🙄 The influence was probably because of crunk and Pimp My Ride ( 8-P ). Even as a 2010's teen, we weren't like this. I did see the very wealthy kids do this (and subsequently crash each other's cars in the parking lot playing ridiculous games), but hey, who didn't have those kind of kids at their school? My generation definitely had a lot of technology though, particularly smartphones such as iPhones and Andriods.

Yeah, those would have been awesome things to do, especially the dances. Thanks for sharing, it's always interesting to hear what people would want to do differently. :)

Me, I would have went to the psychiatrist and got pills for my social anxiety. I was practically a mute for most of high school (except the last two years). I didn't really break out of my shell until I got to university, now I'm that guy that makes small talk in the elevator. I wish I could transport my current social skills back in time.


This! This all the way! In fact, you probably have no idea just how badly I wish I had better social skills back in high school. I would never have ruined my high school crush's perception of me, and it's likely she'd be like my BFF based on her interests and passions.

One large difference I notice between '90s teens and '00s teens is the serious overdevelopment of the boys. While freshmen have always been little and seniors always appeared big, the physical growth of the male students is daunting. This persists into the 2010's as well.

Compare a high school senior in the '90s to a high school senior in the early 21st century and you'll see what I mean. The '90s seniors, while still adult-like in their appearance, look very youthful while the 21st century seniors appear a lot older even though they are the exact same age. Look at these pictures:

Class of 1995:
http://images.classmates.com/pho301/T/h/g/D/4912104228_display.jpghttp://potters95.com/images/ClassShot.jpg
Class of 2005:
http://www.tnyesterday.com/schools/henderson/shhs/2005/large.jpg
Class of 2015:
http://www.swchs.org/editoruploads/images/Senior%20Encounter%202015%20smiles.jpg
Looking at these images, I could pass for a teenager from the '90s. Compared to my peers when I was in high school, I was "underdeveloped". I remember seeing students at my school(s) appear as though they could pass for 21 or 22 if they cut their hair a certain way and wore the right clothes. To be fair, the 2015 one doesn't look as daunting as the 2005 one though!  :o

I think it's because of the ludicrous amounts of growth hormones fed into the plants and animals that are subsequently being fed to us, and Millennials have developed at much more rapid rates at much younger ages than previous generations did (coincidentally, we've also gained a lot more weight a lot quicker as well), which is why you can see a huge difference in the physical makeup of a teen from today versus that of just 20 years earlier. Read this article:

http://www.futuristspeaker.com/business-trends/life-as-a-teenager-in-1994-2014-and-2034-what-a-difference-a-generation-makes-part-2/

By class of 2025 all the students will look like 30 year olds.

I think they look older/manlier because of the beard trend. I haven't noticed a big difference in height. Actually a lot of them are shorter than me, but that's probably because they haven't hit their last growth spurt yet. As for the women, they all look the same age-ish to me.

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Nah, it was alright although it would have been much better to be closer to the HS I attended. I also had the option to go to the one that was about 20 minutes near me, but it was ghetto ;D and it just wasn't for me.


20 minutes is far! Unless you mean walking. I think my school was ghetto... By Canadian standards.  ;D Low income, large number of ESL students, but average in terms of grades and no drug problems thankfully. I actually liked it, most people in my class didn't have a cellphone and there was no pressure to dress preppy.

My elementary school was the real ghetto... And I loved every second of it  ;D


This! This all the way! In fact, you probably have no idea just how badly I wish I had better social skills back in high school. I would never have ruined my high school crush's perception of me, and it's likely she'd be like my BFF based on her interests and passions.


That sucks! You still keep in touch with her though right? I think I heard you say that.

My elementary school was the real ghetto... And I loved every second of it  ;D

This was totally my elementary school. As ghetto as it can get. Still to this day I can't believe the things I've seen, the things we've done, and the discussions we've had that came from 9 year olds in that school.

I think today's teens look down at their phones way too much compared to the 1990's teens.

That sucks! You still keep in touch with her though right? I think I heard you say that.


I've looked her up on Google and found some articles and a website about her, but otherwise, no. I'm not allowed to be friends with her because I made her terrified of me, even though my heart was in the right place. It's all my fault for coming off as a clueless jerk. The two of us can see each other on Facebook again because I rebooted my account (thus nullifying her block on me), but I dare not contact her because I'm worried that'll just start her up again. The effects of my mistakes five years ago are permanent unless I'm able to meet her in person again by some miraculous stroke of luck and we get to know each other again from scratch. I hate to come off as a stalker, because I could not feel any more positive regard for her as an genuine individual. I also really don't want to blur my attraction to her as being something sexual, since she's not a lesbian.

I don't know, I guess I'm just a creep in general. It doesn't matter how true to myself I am, I'm just undesirable because of my uniqueness. The outpouring of support for the anti-transgender bathroom bills makes that all the more clear. All I want is to be able to fully express the desperate love in my heart towards somebody truly significant to me, but the only thing I feel I can ever expect in return is flight. Even with the loving friends and family I do have, I feel totally isolated by my own generation. It sucks, but it's just a reality I have to put up with, for now at least.

This was totally my elementary school. As ghetto as it can get. Still to this day I can't believe the things I've seen, the things we've done, and the discussions we've had that came from 9 year olds in that school.


and this was another reason why middle school was horrible for me. My elementary school was not ghetto at all, in fact, the teachers and principal were very strict, which is why the only few ghetto people that were in my grade throughout my K-5 years got suspended or expelled right away. So by the time I entered middle school in the 6th grade, I didn't know what certain cuss words were, I didn't know what the word gay was, I didn't know what the word virgin was, I learned about all these jokes that were hilarious to me since I'd never heard anything like it before. Middle school is when I was introduced to a lot of douchebags and bitches too  ;D

I'm blessed that I grew up in a non-ghetto elementary school, but had I lived in another district not far from where I lived, I would have probably grown up as a completely different person and figured out what words like "gay" meant at an earlier age.

and this was another reason why middle school was horrible for me. My elementary school was not ghetto at all, in fact, the teachers and principal were very strict, which is why the only few ghetto people that were in my grade throughout my K-5 years got suspended or expelled right away. So by the time I entered middle school in the 6th grade, I didn't know what certain cuss words were, I didn't know what the word gay was, I didn't know what the word virgin was, I learned about all these jokes that were hilarious to me since I'd never heard anything like it before. Middle school is when I was introduced to a lot of douchebags and bitches too  ;D

I'm blessed that I grew up in a non-ghetto elementary school, but had I lived in another district not far from where I lived, I would have probably grown up as a completely different person and figured out what words like "gay" meant at an earlier age.

You're very lucky indeed. Those words were constantly thrown around in my school and neighborhood. A lot of other swear words too. Having said that, from a certain perspective it felt like I was more mature for my age and grew up quicker. I knew all the popular music of the early and mid 00's like 50 Cent, Eminem, Ciara, Nelly, etc even when I was in my single digits. I know a lot of people on this board who didn't get into mainstream pop culture until they were 13 in the late 00's, that's when I stopped listening to the radio.  ;D It feels like I'm 5 years older than a lot of people my age on here. Even though my elementary school was rough around the edges, I still had a lot of memories from there and enjoyed a lot of moments.

You're very lucky indeed. Those words were constantly thrown around in my school and neighborhood. A lot of other swear words too. Having said that, from a certain perspective it felt like I was more mature for my age and grew up quicker. I knew all the popular music of the early and mid 00's like 50 Cent, Eminem, Ciara, Nelly, etc even when I was in my single digits. I know a lot of people on this board who didn't get into mainstream pop culture until they were 13 in the late 00's, that's when I stopped listening to the radio.  ;D It feels like I'm 5 years older than a lot of people my age on here. Even though my elementary school was rough around the edges, I still had a lot of memories from there and enjoyed a lot of moments.


Wow cool! That's interesting how you knew and experienced all those artists throughout the 2000's. Most of my memories of 50 Cent or the early Eminem days were through my parents or aunts/uncles. Yeah, I didn't really get into the mainstream culture until 2007 when I was 11, when songs like Crank That - Soulja Boy debuted or when Rihanna's Good Girl Gone Bad album came out. The 2008 election with Barack Obama and John McCain is the first one I clearly remember too. I didn't pay attention to the 2004 election and I definitely don't remember the 2000 election.

Wow cool! That's interesting how you knew and experienced all those artists throughout the 2000's. Most of my memories of 50 Cent or the early Eminem days were through my parents or aunts/uncles. Yeah, I didn't really get into the mainstream culture until 2007 when I was 11, when songs like Crank That - Soulja Boy debuted or when Rihanna's Good Girl Gone Bad album came out. The 2008 election with Barack Obama and John McCain is the first one I clearly remember too. I didn't pay attention to the 2004 election and I definitely don't remember the 2000 election.

Yeah as soon as Crank That came on I stopped listening because it was so bad lol. It was In Da Club and Candy Shop for me. And Lose Yourself was my jam. I paid a lot of attention to the 2006 election in Canada, but I also was interested in politics at the time too.

I've looked her up on Google and found some articles and a website about her, but otherwise, no. I'm not allowed to be friends with her because I made her terrified of me, even though my heart was in the right place. It's all my fault for coming off as a clueless jerk. The two of us can see each other on Facebook again because I rebooted my account (thus nullifying her block on me), but I dare not contact her because I'm worried that'll just start her up again. The effects of my mistakes five years ago are permanent unless I'm able to meet her in person again by some miraculous stroke of luck and we get to know each other again from scratch. I hate to come off as a stalker, because I could not feel any more positive regard for her as an genuine individual. I also really don't want to blur my attraction to her as being something sexual, since she's not a lesbian.

I don't know, I guess I'm just a creep in general. It doesn't matter how true to myself I am, I'm just undesirable because of my uniqueness. The outpouring of support for the anti-transgender bathroom bills makes that all the more clear. All I want is to be able to fully express the desperate love in my heart towards somebody truly significant to me, but the only thing I feel I can ever expect in return is flight. Even with the loving friends and family I do have, I feel totally isolated by my own generation. It sucks, but it's just a reality I have to put up with, for now at least.


Oh jeez  :( Did she break off from you because you were transgender?

I don't want to sound patronizing, but have you thought about joining LGBT or transgender rights activist groups? The situations aren't really comparable at all, but I remember at the height of my depression during the recession, when I lost my job, when my friends and their parents were losing their jobs, when I felt very sad and angry about the state of the world, I started volunteering at a food drive for low income kids, by asking people at school to donate food stuff, canned goods, money etc. and even organizing fundraisers like bake sales and talent shows. It was a major component of how I got out of my depression. Again, the situations aren't really comparable, I don't know your situation 100%, but I think it can help.  :(

You're very lucky indeed. Those words were constantly thrown around in my school and neighborhood. A lot of other swear words too. Having said that, from a certain perspective it felt like I was more mature for my age and grew up quicker. I knew all the popular music of the early and mid 00's like 50 Cent, Eminem, Ciara, Nelly, etc even when I was in my single digits. I know a lot of people on this board who didn't get into mainstream pop culture until they were 13 in the late 00's, that's when I stopped listening to the radio.  ;D It feels like I'm 5 years older than a lot of people my age on here. Even though my elementary school was rough around the edges, I still had a lot of memories from there and enjoyed a lot of moments.


Wow, your school was way more ghetto than mine. It wasn't really the kids in my neighbourhood who were bad, actually we even thought words like "suck" and "heck" were cuss words  ;D It was more the teens/adults. There was community housing, teen pregnancies, alcoholism, a lot of stoners etc. The only ghetto thing me and the other kids did was graffiti.

For music, punk rock was popular 2002/2003, then in 2003-2005, everyone turned into a wigger/wangster. Extremely embarrassing.

Oh jeez  :( Did she break off from you because you were transgender?

No, she's really liberal, and I wasn't out as a transgendered woman yet, even though I was head of my high school's LGBT support group. The problem was that I was just a basket case in high school with awkward social skills, not to mention I hadn't gotten to know her all that well before I revealed my attraction to her. I just felt something special in her, and so I wanted to become closer to her, but the way I went about that was all botched up. I've actually come to appreciate her even more since she originally blocked me and I saw what she had accomplished in college, but don't think for a moment it was her fault that things went so sour in the first place.

I don't want to sound patronizing, but have you thought about joining LGBT or transgender rights activist groups? The situations aren't really comparable at all, but I remember at the height of my depression during the recession, when I lost my job, when my friends and their parents were losing their jobs, when I felt very sad and angry about the state of the world, I started volunteering at a food drive for low income kids, by asking people at school to donate food stuff, canned goods, money etc. and even organizing fundraisers like bake sales and talent shows. It was a major component of how I got out of my depression. Again, the situations aren't really comparable, I don't know your situation 100%, but I think it can help.  :(


I'm just not an activist by heart. I feel strongly about civil rights, but I feel those gains are often best made by simply setting positive examples in real life and not just confronting the most close-minded institutions. I still think activism is important, but it's not at all something for me, especially with the narrow-minded SJW zeitgeist that defines a lot of these current movements.

Wow, your school was way more ghetto than mine. It wasn't really the kids in my neighbourhood who were bad, actually we even thought words like "suck" and "heck" were cuss words  ;D It was more the teens/adults. There was community housing, teen pregnancies, alcoholism, a lot of stoners etc. The only ghetto thing me and the other kids did was graffiti.

For music, punk rock was popular 2002/2003, then in 2003-2005, everyone turned into a wigger/wangster. Extremely embarrassing.


You mean Pop Punk, right? ;) Did they also grow out their hair to go from spiky to wings in 2003?

You mean Pop Punk, right? ;) Did they also grow out their hair to go from spiky to wings in 2003?


Yeah, pop punk. I don't know about wings, most kids still had spikey hair 2003/2004. I remember the very last haircut I got in my childhood neighbourhood (mid-2004), my friend was there with me, and he got his hair spiked with gel and he's like "oh yeah, now all the girls are gonna be all over me."  ;D


No, she's really liberal, and I wasn't out as a transgendered woman yet, even though I was head of my high school's LGBT support group. The problem was that I was just a basket case in high school with awkward social skills, not to mention I hadn't gotten to know her all that well before I revealed my attraction to her. I just felt something special in her, and so I wanted to become closer to her, but the way I went about that was all botched up. I've actually come to appreciate her even more since she originally blocked me and I saw what she had accomplished in college, but don't think for a moment it was her fault that things went so sour in the first place.

I'm just not an activist by heart. I feel strongly about civil rights, but I feel those gains are often best made by simply setting positive examples in real life and not just confronting the most close-minded institutions. I still think activism is important, but it's not at all something for me, especially with the narrow-minded SJW zeitgeist that defines a lot of these current movements.


Ah, what you said about your social skills makes more sense now.

I don't know about the setting positive examples thing. It relies way too much on getting other people to accept you, and as you had seen with the NC bathroom bill,  some people are just close minded, the problem being them and not you. It's impossible to get everyone to like you. But I can see your problem with the serious group-think/hivemind a lot of the movements have, you value individualism. A lot of the time though, I think people are stronger in groups than they are alone, and joining the activist groups is one way to get your own viewpoint into the conversation. Just my two cents, I'm not an expert by any means in any of this stuff though.  :-\\

Yeah, pop punk. I don't know about wings, most kids still had spikey hair 2003/2004. I remember the very last haircut I got in my childhood neighbourhood (mid-2004), my friend was there with me, and he got his hair spiked with gel and he's like "oh yeah, now all the girls are gonna be all over me."  ;D


True, this is 2003 and 2004 so I can still see the spikes reigning for a little bit longer during that time period. Your friend sounds like a dork. :P ;D

True, this is 2003 and 2004 so I can still see the spikes reigning for a little bit longer during that time period. Your friend sounds like a dork. :P ;D


It was there in 2005 too :P

I thought you'd think he was the cool kid lol.

It was there in 2005 too :P

I thought you'd think he was the cool kid lol.


I don't believe you. We were deep in the wing hair era by then. ;)

Only if he got a proper spiking and not that lame "messy and not really spiky" 00s version of the haircut.

I don't believe you. We were deep in the wing hair era by then. ;)

Only if he got a proper spiking and not that lame "messy and not really spiky" 00s version of the haircut.


There's a difference?

There's a difference?


Yes. You're the guy who saw that Panic At the Disco/Weezer photo I sent and said "oh look, they all have spiky hair now!" Clearly you think of the 00s style when talking about "spiky hair". ;)

Yes. You're the guy who saw that Panic At the Disco/Weezer photo I sent and said "oh look, they all have spiky hair now!" Clearly you think of the 00s style when talking about "spiky hair". ;)
LOL I was trolling  ;D

I don't believe you. We were deep in the wing hair era by then. ;)

Only if he got a proper spiking and not that lame "messy and not really spiky" 00s version of the haircut.


You mean like this:

http://cache2.asset-cache.net/gc/179891671-jesse-mccartney-during-2006-teen-choice-gettyimages.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=GkZZ8bf5zL1ZiijUmxa7Qamhg5hB7TKIlXfDJdQbynRsF1EJe5gEyxH4InkJm%2F20VzpkPKpfVnFWpnTORxCEcQ%3D%3D

;D

LOL I was trolling  ;D


For the longest time now I've been thinking you had a warped definition of "spiky hair". Thanks for clearing that up.


You mean like this:

http://cache2.asset-cache.net/gc/179891671-jesse-mccartney-during-2006-teen-choice-gettyimages.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=GkZZ8bf5zL1ZiijUmxa7Qamhg5hB7TKIlXfDJdQbynRsF1EJe5gEyxH4InkJm%2F20VzpkPKpfVnFWpnTORxCEcQ%3D%3D

;D


Yeah! Something like that! ;D

For the longest time now I've been thinking you had a warped definition of "spiky hair". Thanks for clearing that up.

Yeah! Something like that! ;D


There was also the emo/scene attempt at "spiky" hair.

http://creativefan.com/important/cf/2012/10/scene-hairstyles-for-guys/scenehairstyle-spiky.jpg

I believe this one was actually called the "gunshot wound" style, or something along those lines  ;D

There was also the emo/scene attempt at "spiky" hair.

http://creativefan.com/important/cf/2012/10/scene-hairstyles-for-guys/scenehairstyle-spiky.jpg

I believe this one was actually called the "gunshot wound" style, or something along those lines  ;D


Haha, I remember seeing this everywhere starting around 2004-ish... 8-P

Gunshot wound is right. Can you believe that before 2003, Emo used to mean dressing like you were in Weezer?

You mean like this:

http://cache2.asset-cache.net/gc/179891671-jesse-mccartney-during-2006-teen-choice-gettyimages.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=GkZZ8bf5zL1ZiijUmxa7Qamhg5hB7TKIlXfDJdQbynRsF1EJe5gEyxH4InkJm%2F20VzpkPKpfVnFWpnTORxCEcQ%3D%3D

;D


He looks hot. I think I saw that in the late 2000s/early 10s as well though. The early 2000s spikey hair was still going strong in 2005.

He looks hot. I think I saw that in the late 2000s/early 10s as well though. The early 2000s spikey hair was still going strong in 2005.


He looks like a dweeb! The wings haircut ruled through the real 00s with the faux-spikes coming in second. Real early 00s spikes died in 2003. ;)

He looks like a dweeb! The wings haircut ruled through the real 00s with the faux-spikes coming in second. Real early 00s spikes died in 2003. ;)


Stop judging people by their hair! Unless it's a manbun, then judge away.

No, early 2000s spikey shouldn't even be called early 2000s, it's core 2000s. It's the stereotypical 2000s haircut. Stick straight hair for women, spikey hair for men, if I had to pick the hairstyle for each gender.

Stop judging people by their hair! Unless it's a manbun, then judge away.

No, early 2000s spikey shouldn't even be called early 2000s, it's core 2000s. It's the stereotypical 2000s haircut. Stick straight hair for women, spikey hair for men, if I had to pick the hairstyle for each gender.


Oh yeah, the manbun is the worst!

What? It's also the stereotypical 90's haircut, too! Or at least one of them. Spiky hair was done in 2003 and replaced with fake-spikes and wing haircuts (the true 00s haircuts). 

Oh yeah, the manbun is the worst!

What? It's also the stereotypical 90's haircut, too! Or at least one of them. Spiky hair was done in 2003 and replaced with fake-spikes and wing haircuts (the true 00s haircuts).


Naw, you conceded spikey hair existed in 2004. It existed 2000-2004 at least, that's half the decade. Spikes = 2000s.

Naw, you conceded spikey hair existed in 2004. It existed 2000-2004 at least, that's half the decade. Spikes = 2000s.


Oh true, but that's only 1/2 years of the real 00's and 3 in the faux-90's. Spikes = 90's/early 00's.

Wow, your school was way more ghetto than mine. It wasn't really the kids in my neighbourhood who were bad, actually we even thought words like "suck" and "heck" were cuss words  ;D It was more the teens/adults. There was community housing, teen pregnancies, alcoholism, a lot of stoners etc. The only ghetto thing me and the other kids did was graffiti.

For music, punk rock was popular 2002/2003, then in 2003-2005, everyone turned into a wigger/wangster. Extremely embarrassing.

Yeah the same thing happened in my neighborhood too.

Oh true, but that's only 1/2 years of the real 00's and 3 in the faux-90's. Spikes = 90's/early 00's.


Wha--?? Stop confusing me! The truth is spikey hair went from 2000-2005, that's actually 60% of the decade.

Wha--?? Stop confusing me! The truth is spikey hair went from 2000-2005, that's actually 60% of the decade.


No, no, no. You have it all wrong. Look, this is a table:

http://www.ikea.com/PIAimages/0106117_PE253936_S5.JPG

I am putting these onto the table:

http://www.dartmouth.edu/~jacko/v2/wp-content/uploads/TheFacts.gif

It's up to you to either:

http://i.imgur.com/VKuuF0C.jpg

and learn or:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-154WLuaMnrI/U8PY1NHEhnI/AAAAAAAABM0/__mdHgjrGHs/s1600/ignorant.png

http://i.imgur.com/VKuuF0C.jpg

#WorstDadEver

Making his child pick up stuff. How evil can ya get?!  >:(

#WorstDadEver

Making his child pick up stuff. How evil can ya get?!  >:(


Just you wait. He's Ska now but in a few years, he's gonna turn Emo and deny any association to the brass. 

#WorstDadEver

Making his child pick up stuff. How evil can ya get?!  >:(


Looks like Ska borrowed heavily from Justin Bieber.

Looks like Ska borrowed heavily from Justin Bieber.


Take that back! >:(

Take that back! >:(


QMGuyp2DF7g

http://66.media.tumblr.com/6322162039cca3aaa55cf546f8b38817/tumblr_nbjmboL3kC1ry1prqo5_r2_500.gif
SHOTS FIRED! SHOTS FIRED!

Just you wait. He's Ska now but in a few years, he's gonna turn Emo and deny any association to the brass.


An Emo dad sounds scary.

QMGuyp2DF7g


....That's terrible... People actually listen to this? ???


An Emo dad sounds scary.


There are many types of "emo dads". There is the...

Prehistoric Emo Dad:

http://tr1.cbsistatic.com/hub/i/2015/05/07/0db80d27-f488-11e4-940f-14feb5cc3d2a/geek-dad-2011.jpg

And the MySpace Emo Dad:

http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/096/329/l_034753dcf8bf44eab51c7fe4201b7481.jpg

....That's terrible... People actually listen to this? ???


You missed the joke  >:( "pick it up, pick it up, pick it up, pick it up up up up. Never say never" in the middle of the chorus.

You missed the joke  >:( "pick it up, pick it up, pick it up, pick it up up up up. Never say never" in the middle of the chorus.


Middle of the chorus!? Did you think I was actually going to listen that far in!? You're insane!

You missed the joke  >:( "pick it up, pick it up, pick it up, pick it up up up up. Never say never" in the middle of the chorus.


Justin Bieber is Ska confirmed. :o

Justin Bieber is Ska confirmed. :o


No way! You guys are crazy! Justin Bieber is not Ska!

Does this sound like Justin Bieber?


gmOmAuhAQbE

No! Of course it doesn't!!

Justin Bieber is Ska confirmed. :o


I would say more that Ska is Justin Bieber, like how pop punk is Fall Out Boy.

I would say more that Ska is Justin Bieber, like how pop punk is Fall Out Boy.


So not at all, right?

No way! You guys are crazy! Justin Bieber is not Ska!
Does this sound like Justin Bieber?
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No! Of course it doesn't!!

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That sounds just like Justin Beiber's music.

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That sounds just like Justin Beiber's music.


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No! You did not just say that!!

You mean like this:

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;D


Has he ever heard of a barber? ::)

20 minutes is far! Unless you mean walking. I think my school was ghetto... By Canadian standards.  ;D Low income, large number of ESL students, but average in terms of grades and no drug problems thankfully. I actually liked it, most people in my class didn't have a cellphone and there was no pressure to dress preppy.

My elementary school was the real ghetto... And I loved every second of it  ;D
No. I would have took the city bus in my area. As for the ghettoness, there would also be more fights, low graduation rates, less programs, less clubs and less students.


One large difference I notice between '90s teens and '00s teens is the serious overdevelopment of the boys. While freshmen have always been little and seniors always appeared big, the physical growth of the male students is daunting. This persists into the 2010's as well.

Compare a high school senior in the '90s to a high school senior in the early 21st century and you'll see what I mean. The '90s seniors, while still adult-like in their appearance, look very youthful while the 21st century seniors appear a lot older even though they are the exact same age. Look at these pictures:

Class of 1995:
http://images.classmates.com/pho301/T/h/g/D/4912104228_display.jpghttp://potters95.com/images/ClassShot.jpg
Class of 2005:
http://www.tnyesterday.com/schools/henderson/shhs/2005/large.jpg
Class of 2015:
http://www.swchs.org/editoruploads/images/Senior%20Encounter%202015%20smiles.jpg
Looking at these images, I could pass for a teenager from the '90s. Compared to my peers when I was in high school, I was "underdeveloped". I remember seeing students at my school(s) appear as though they could pass for 21 or 22 if they cut their hair a certain way and wore the right clothes. To be fair, the 2015 one doesn't look as daunting as the 2005 one though!  :o

I think it's because of the ludicrous amounts of growth hormones fed into the plants and animals that are subsequently being fed to us, and Millennials have developed at much more rapid rates at much younger ages than previous generations did (coincidentally, we've also gained a lot more weight a lot quicker as well), which is why you can see a huge difference in the physical makeup of a teen from today versus that of just 20 years earlier. Read this article:

http://www.futuristspeaker.com/business-trends/life-as-a-teenager-in-1994-2014-and-2034-what-a-difference-a-generation-makes-part-2/
This could be it. It's maybe the reason I why I started puberty at an early age and was already taller than everyone my age range. I was 5'11 in the 6th grade making me over the average height at that time.


Haha, I remember seeing this everywhere starting around 2004-ish... 8-P

Gunshot wound is right. Can you believe that before 2003, Emo used to mean dressing like you were in Weezer?
Aren't goths technically emo?

Here's proof that 2004 and 2005 still had spiky hair

http://cdn2.crushable.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/GettyImages-105391313.jpg

https://scdailymakeover.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/ewan_mcgregor-apr_2005.jpg

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/57/10/bb/5710bb0ecb7f82b99a04cad0a98d710e.jpg

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Aren't goths technically emo?


No, there's a huge difference. While post-2003 Emo kids stole a lot of elements from Goth culture (mainly lookwise), Goth was more about being angry, angsty and outward hatred. There was an element of self-hatred but it wasn't the main point like it was for faux-Emo with it's wrist slitting and crybaby stereotypes.


Here's proof that 2004 and 2005 still had spiky hair

http://cdn2.crushable.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/GettyImages-105391313.jpg

https://scdailymakeover.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/ewan_mcgregor-apr_2005.jpg

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/57/10/bb/5710bb0ecb7f82b99a04cad0a98d710e.jpg

http://i1.ezinemark.com/imagemanager2/files/30003665/2013/05/2013-05-06-17-08-24-2-there-are-many-types-of-spikes-and-it-is-easy-to-m.jpeg


All these hairstyles are exactly what I mean when I say that the real 00s were all about lazy messy semi-spikes (does that last photo even count as spiky hair!?) rather than actual spiky hair.

Real spiky hair:
http://cdn.gurl.com/wp-content/gallery/bad-early-00s-fashion-trends/reese-malcom-in-the-middle-frosted-bleach-spikes-tips.jpg

OK, I have to comment on the Weezer = "emo" thing....

The people who listened to Weezer (but more importantly, bands like Built To Spill, Pavement, and Archers of Loaf) were basically called "indie kids."  I never recall hearing the term "emo" to describe them....at least not in the early 00s or before.

And as far as the goth thing, no, that 00s emo stuff was not goth and neither was Marilyn Manson in the late 90s in my opinion.  You're gonna have to go back to the 80s for that, perhaps things like Clan Of Xymox.  A lot of people into the goth culture also enjoyed industrial/EBM stuff too like Skinny Puppy and Front 242.  They were also fans of 80s synthpop in general such as Depeche Mode.  I dont know...thats what "goth" is to me based on my friends born in the early 70s who first got into the scene in the mid-late 80s.  I befriended them by going to goth/industrial club nights throughout the latter half of the 00s.

OK, I have to comment on the Weezer = "emo" thing....

The people who listened to Weezer (but more importantly, bands like Built To Spill, Pavement, and Archers of Loaf) were basically called "indie kids."  I never recall hearing the term "emo" to describe them....at least not in the early 00s or before.

And as far as the goth thing, no, that 00s emo stuff was not goth and neither was Marilyn Manson in the late 90s in my opinion.  You're gonna have to go back to the 80s for that, perhaps things like Clan Of Xymox.  A lot of people into the goth culture also enjoyed industrial/EBM stuff too like Skinny Puppy and Front 242.  They were also fans of 80s synthpop in general such as Depeche Mode.  I dont know...thats what "goth" is to me based on my friends born in the early 70s who first got into the scene in the mid-late 80s.  I befriended them by going to goth/industrial club nights throughout the latter half of the 00s.


By the late 90s Weezer was pretty much known as an Emo band by most people who were aware of what Emo was (or at least it's current incarnation at the time). It's really up to debate whether they, or any other post-Sunny Day Real Estate band, is actual Emo but I they were called it quite a lot. There's even an issue of NME magazine from 1998 that refers to both Pinkerton and Blue as "Emo records" because of the Midwestern Emo bands (i.e. stuff like the Promise Ring, Get Up Kids) being huge fans and taking a ton of influence from their style. The got attached to the Emo label pretty quickly and with how post-1994 Emo sounds (compared to the more Punky stuff like Rites of Spring and Embrace), I see why. Emo kids and Indie kids (This era of Emo is referred to Indiemo by some) were a very, very similar thing until 2003/2004.

Yeah, I agree. There's definitely a pretty big difference between 80's Goth and 90's Goth with how it became more mainstream in the 90's.

Side note: Skinny Puppy is an incredible band. They're one of my favorite industrial acts along with KMFDM.

By the late 90s Weezer was pretty much known as an Emo band by most people who were aware of what Emo was (or at least it's current incarnation at the time). It's really up to debate whether they, or any other post-Sunny Day Real Estate band, is actual Emo but I they were called it quite a lot. There's even an issue of NME magazine from 1998 that refers to both Pinkerton and Blue as "Emo records" because of the Midwestern Emo bands (i.e. stuff like the Promise Ring, Get Up Kids) being huge fans and taking a ton of influence from their style. The got attached to the Emo label pretty quickly and with how post-1994 Emo sounds (compared to the more Punky stuff like Rites of Spring and Embrace), I see why. Emo kids and Indie kids (This era of Emo is referred to Indiemo by some) were a very, very similar thing until 2003/2004.

Yeah, I agree. There's definitely a pretty big difference between 80's Goth and 90's Goth with how it became more mainstream in the 90's.

Side note: Skinny Puppy is an incredible band. They're one of my favorite industrial acts along with KMFDM.


Ah, I see.  You probably know more about it than me.  I never heard "emo" in my social circle. 

Man, your posts take me back.  I remember all the bands you mention.  I listened to a variety of music back in the day.  As an adolescent, I was huge into the alternative metal scene (which brings me to another point...but I'll mention it in a bit), punk, triphop...you name it.  I don't agree with you about Sum 41, though.  Hated that band.  That's when culture started to become lame and MTV was DEAD.  Those guys bugged me.  Them and Good Charlotte.  I don't know which was worse.  And don't even get me started on Avril Lavigne.  I wasn't really a fan of the early 00s like you are.  Everything got too preppy and diva-like.  I checked out of pop culture around that time.  It's really weird how much I agree with you about the mid 00s, though.  However, I can't talk quite as much crap about it as you do because I kind of went off into my own little world during that time. 

Now for the alternative metal comment, or as you like to call it, "Nu-metal."  OK, here's the thing.  I was heavily involved in that scene.  I listened to Korn in their Self-Titled and Life Is Peachy days before Follow The Leader came about etc.  JNCO Jeans and all.  We never called it "Nu-metal."  I have no idea where that term originated, but my friends and I never uttered the word.  Did it come about in the 00s or something?  I stopped listening to that type of music probably mid High School because I got bored with it.  We never really even labeled the music into a particular genre.  When asked what we listened to, we just listed off bands or whatever.  I even included bands like Tool in it.  Their Aenima album was one of my favorites as a teenager. 

Yeah, Skinny Puppy's awesome.  I got their Too Dark Park album in High School and became a huge fan of the genre the rest of the 00s. That was about the same time in HS that I was listening to a lot of Babes In Toyland too.  I'm telling you, I have so much influential music growing up.  Between my childhood and adolescence, the band list is probably in the thousands. 

No, there's a huge difference. While post-2003 Emo kids stole a lot of elements from Goth culture (mainly lookwise), Goth was more about being angry, angsty and outward hatred. There was an element of self-hatred but it wasn't the main point like it was for faux-Emo with it's wrist slitting and crybaby stereotypes.

All these hairstyles are exactly what I mean when I say that the real 00s were all about lazy messy semi-spikes (does that last photo even count as spiky hair!?) rather than actual spiky hair.

Real spiky hair:
http://cdn.gurl.com/wp-content/gallery/bad-early-00s-fashion-trends/reese-malcom-in-the-middle-frosted-bleach-spikes-tips.jpg


You're splitting hairs.

Ah, I see.  You probably know more about it than me.  I never heard "emo" in my social circle. 

Man, your posts take me back.  I remember all the bands you mention.  I listened to a variety of music back in the day.  As an adolescent, I was huge into the alternative metal scene (which brings me to another point...but I'll mention it in a bit), punk, triphop...you name it.  I don't agree with you about Sum 41, though.  Hated that band.  That's when culture started to become lame and MTV was DEAD.  Those guys bugged me.  Them and Good Charlotte.  I don't know which was worse.  And don't even get me started on Avril Lavigne.  I wasn't really a fan of the early 00s like you are.  Everything got too preppy and diva-like.  I checked out of pop culture around that time.  It's really weird how much I agree with you about the mid 00s, though.  However, I can't talk quite as much crap about it as you do because I kind of went off into my own little world during that time. 

Now for the alternative metal comment, or as you like to call it, "Nu-metal."  OK, here's the thing.  I was heavily involved in that scene.  I listened to Korn in their Self-Titled and Life Is Peachy days before Follow The Leader came about etc.  JNCO Jeans and all.  We never called it "Nu-metal."  I have no idea where that term originated, but my friends and I never uttered the word.  Did it come about in the 00s or something?  I stopped listening to that type of music probably mid High School because I got bored with it.  We never really even labeled the music into a particular genre.  When asked what we listened to, we just listed off bands or whatever.  I even included bands like Tool in it.  Their Aenima album was one of my favorites as a teenager. 

Yeah, Skinny Puppy's awesome.  I got their Too Dark Park album in High School and became a huge fan of the genre the rest of the 00s. That was about the same time in HS that I was listening to a lot of Babes In Toyland too.  I'm telling you, I have so much influential music growing up.  Between my childhood and adolescence, the band list is probably in the thousands.


Yeah, I get ya. The stuff's not for everyone. I've never considered 1998-2002 bands Punk. Hell, even 1994-onward I have a hard time categorizing as actual Punk along with the rawer stuff that came before it in the 80s. For me, I just like it because it's hooky and poppy but it's also snotty, in-your-face and annoying (but not like Limp Bizkit...). It's good to Skate, too! But it's definitely not under what I consider the tru punx umbrella. I agree that things did get a lot more preppier and diva-like around that time and MTV was most definitely dead (I'd say it died for me in the mid 90's because of all the reality TV crap that was becoming more and more prevalent) but I still liked how fun and colorful things were back then. Yeah, I checked out around 2005 after the awful, awful Warped Tour lineup. I hated how going to shows turned from something that was unpretentious and fun (most of the time) to being melodramatic sobfests. Totally lame. If there's one thing we probably agree on it's that all these bands mid 00s-now outputs totally stink something awful!

The first Nu Metal band I ever heard about was The Deftones in 1997-ish when they came out with Around the Fur but I don't really remember what they were categorized as. First time I heard the term "Nu Metal" was in some music publication. I think it was AP but I'm not positive. One thing I do remember for sure is that Limp Bizkit got attached to the term right away when Significant Other broke out in 1999 when they were referred to as "Metal's Next Wave" and crap like that. Now, if there's one thing I hate, it's Limp Bizkit. They are the one of the worst bands of all time, right up there with Smash Mouth.

Nice! The first Skinny Puppy album I got into was Mind (the cover looked edgy and offensive so I picked it up without knowing anything about them). Around that time I also got into KMFDM. I got Symbols right around the time of Columbine (a little bit before it happened) and it was weird with all it's controversy. I had one of their tapes in my bag and I think I legitimately scared people because of it. That's pretty rad, man! Back in the day, I was all about discovering new bands. I got super into bands like Green Day, Offspring, Bad Religion, Rancid, Pennywise, NoFX, Strung Out, Jawbreaker all around the same time (1994/1995) and that was a huge, huge thing for me. An entire world just completely opened up. It was right around the time I started skateboarding and playing bass, too. I also started discovering the Punkier stuff from the 70's and 80's like Husker Du, Dead Kennedys, Minor Threat, Crimpshrine, JFA, Screeching Weasel, Op Ivy, The Lookouts, Isocracy, Ramones, Descendents/ALL, Big Drill Car, Dag Nasty etc., etc. I started listening to music of all different kinds, whatever was exciting and I could skate to. Some thrash, too, like Slayer, Megadeth, DRI, Crypic Slaughter. Even more alternative stuff like REM, The Cure and The Smiths I got into and of course, the original Emo bands like Rites of Spring, Embrace and Moss Icon. I was big into late 80's-mid 90's hip hop like The Beastie Boys, Run DMC, Ultra Magnetic MC's, Snoop Doggy Dogg, NWA, DJ Quik, etc. mainly because it was so groovy and fun to play along to with the bass.


You're splitting hairs.


Oh man, you just made a pun...

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I don't know about the setting positive examples thing. It relies way too much on getting other people to accept you, and as you had seen with the NC bathroom bill,  some people are just close minded, the problem being them and not you. It's impossible to get everyone to like you. But I can see your problem with the serious group-think/hivemind a lot of the movements have, you value individualism. A lot of the time though, I think people are stronger in groups than they are alone, and joining the activist groups is one way to get your own viewpoint into the conversation. Just my two cents, I'm not an expert by any means in any of this stuff though.  :-\\


I think it's because of the more unflinchingly close-minded people that activism is necessary to some degree for minorities, but the vast majority of people I come across in my life are still highly respectful of me, even if they learn that I'm queer. The crazy knights templar are just people who I can choose to avoid in real life, instead being in the company of those who think the NC bathroom bill is bullsnitch.

I won't join collective movements if I have to compromise something of myself just to really fit in. Usually, I'm a lot more diplomatic when it comes to ignorance because I really don't like stirring backlash, but it feels like most activists, especially these days, believe that anybody with even a casual misunderstanding of minority issues is the devil. I'd far rather find a beautiful, bold, talented woman who fell in love with me for who I am as an individual than be in the company of hundreds who claim to be standing up for my rights but still exclude me in other respects.

Yeah, I get ya. The stuff's not for everyone. I've never considered 1998-2002 bands Punk. Hell, even 1994-onward I have a hard time categorizing as actual Punk along with the rawer stuff that came before it in the 80s. For me, I just like it because it's hooky and poppy but it's also snotty, in-your-face and annoying (but not like Limp Bizkit...). It's good to Skate, too! But it's definitely not under what I consider the tru punx umbrella. I agree that things did get a lot more preppier and diva-like around that time and MTV was most definitely dead (I'd say it died for me in the mid 90's because of all the reality TV crap that was becoming more and more prevalent) but I still liked how fun and colorful things were back then. Yeah, I checked out around 2005 after the awful, awful Warped Tour lineup. I hated how going to shows turned from something that was unpretentious and fun (most of the time) to being melodramatic sobfests. Totally lame. If there's one thing we probably agree on it's that all these bands mid 00s-now outputs totally stink something awful!

The first Nu Metal band I ever heard about was The Deftones in 1997-ish when they came out with Around the Fur but I don't really remember what they were categorized as. First time I heard the term "Nu Metal" was in some music publication. I think it was AP but I'm not positive. One thing I do remember for sure is that Limp Bizkit got attached to the term right away when Significant Other broke out in 1999 when they were referred to as "Metal's Next Wave" and crap like that. Now, if there's one thing I hate, it's Limp Bizkit. They are the one of the worst bands of all time, right up there with Smash Mouth.

Nice! The first Skinny Puppy album I got into was Mind (the cover looked edgy and offensive so I picked it up without knowing anything about them). Around that time I also got into KMFDM. I got Symbols right around the time of Columbine (a little bit before it happened) and it was weird with all it's controversy. I had one of their tapes in my bag and I think I legitimately scared people because of it. That's pretty rad, man! Back in the day, I was all about discovering new bands. I got super into bands like Green Day, Offspring, Bad Religion, Rancid, Pennywise, NoFX, Strung Out, Jawbreaker all around the same time (1994/1995) and that was a huge, huge thing for me. An entire world just completely opened up. It was right around the time I started skateboarding and playing bass, too. I also started discovering the Punkier stuff from the 70's and 80's like Husker Du, Dead Kennedys, Minor Threat, Crimpshrine, JFA, Screeching Weasel, Op Ivy, The Lookouts, Isocracy, Ramones, Descendents/ALL, Big Drill Car, Dag Nasty etc., etc. I started listening to music of all different kinds, whatever was exciting and I could skate to. Some thrash, too, like Slayer, Megadeth, DRI, Crypic Slaughter. Even more alternative stuff like REM, The Cure and The Smiths I got into and of course, the original Emo bands like Rites of Spring, Embrace and Moss Icon. I was big into late 80's-mid 90's hip hop like The Beastie Boys, Run DMC, Ultra Magnetic MC's, Snoop Doggy Dogg, NWA, DJ Quik, etc. mainly because it was so groovy and fun to play along to with the bass.

Oh man, you just made a pun...

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Jumping in on this, music discussion makes me want to give my two cents!

Teenage girls were if I had to bet, pop punk's biggest fanbase. The whiny vocals just couldn't appeal to more sophisticated music tastes. True punk had more meaningful lyrics and wasn't at all whiny. Compare Rancid to Blink 182 or the White Stripes and hear an obvious difference.

I wish Limp Bizkit would be called something other than metal. Rap rock or something, they aren't metal in my book. I used to like their music way back before I gained some taste, admittedly.

The Deftones are experimental metal these days, the nu metal genre is a fusion of alternative metal plus other influences. Some of those can be rap, but other bands are influenced by grunge and post grunge sound. It's a diverse category of bands often spilling over into heavy metal and hard rock.

Bands like Mudvayne had an electronic element to them, also under the category of nu metal.

Skinny Puppy paved the way for NIN, an influence NIN credits for their style. I can hear it in the sound of Pretty Hate Machine from 1989. They've opened for Skinny Puppy on tour before the PHM album released.

Jumping in on this, music discussion makes me want to give my two cents!

Teenage girls were if I had to bet, pop punk's biggest fanbase. The whiny vocals just couldn't appeal to more sophisticated music tastes. True punk had more meaningful lyrics and wasn't at all whiny. Compare Rancid to Blink 182 or the White Stripes and hear an obvious difference.

I wish Limp Bizkit would be called something other than metal. Rap rock or something, they aren't metal in my book. I used to like their music way back before I gained some taste, admittedly.

The Deftones are experimental metal these days, the nu metal genre is a fusion of alternative metal plus other influences. Some of those can be rap, but other bands are influenced by grunge and post grunge sound. It's a diverse category of bands often spilling over into heavy metal and hard rock.

Bands like Mudvayne had an electronic element to them, also under the category of nu metal.

Skinny Puppy paved the way for NIN, an influence NIN credits for their style. I can hear it in the sound of Pretty Hate Machine from 1989. They've opened for Skinny Puppy on tour before the PHM album released.


I wouldn't really call Rancid "true Punk", especially, since Out Come the Wolves onward (aside from Rancid 2000, of course) is incredibly poppy. Op Ivy, however, is Punk all the way. The White Stripes aren't Pop Punk at all, though. Real Punk did have a lot of meaningful lyrics, that is true, but a good amount of it was also just zit-faced teenage kids playing in their garages for fun. To be honest, it's kind of hard to pigeonhole the lyrics of Punk because there's so much to it. If we look at the 70's, just for two examples: there's the Ramones writing about beating on brats with baseball bats and sniffing glue but then you have The Clash writing about socialism and serious political issues. The Sex Pistols sang about issues but their entire image was all about taking the piss. You also have bands like The Buzzcocks and most of their songs are about how girls don't like them. If we look to the 80's, there we have billions of bands who wrote about so many different topics. We had DC/Boston who wrote about things like abstaining from drugs and while DC was known for being more intelligent, Boston was known for being more hard headed and macho. If you look at LA, a lot of bands from there were more laid back and had a focus on drinking, not getting laid and partying but others also had a political spin on their lyrics. There was a bit of whining in real Punk, too but I'd say it's a lot more angry and genuine. Tons of songs about how parents, teachers etc. suck. For an example, listen to No Way by the Adolescents where he bitches about how he can't get laid and is a "victim of society".

I totally agree. Limp Bizkit isn't metal at all. To me, Metal is bands like Slayer and Megadeth.

Of course, as they always have been but they were attached to the Nu Metal label around the time of KoRn and Bizkit. It's all up to debate whether these artists actually fit the label or not but that's just what the journalists have pinned them as.

Yeah, a lot of Nu Metal bands sound pretty different from each other despite being under the same label.

Oh yeah, of course. Skinny Puppy started it all! They're incredible!

How about the difference between 90's kids and the kids of now. Just this afternoon at around noontime, I was out in the parking lot with my cart job and I've been noticing that the kids, it was the end of the school year BTW and they were just being so boisterous, hanging out, riding their bikes, playing basketball, smoking weed, checking their cell phones and just being kids. That's today's kids (2016) but back then being a 90's kid, after graduation and the end of the school year 25 years ago, My parents took me out to eat and that was it. Whatever happened to enjoying yourself, it was sure a nicer time that I lived in back then during the late 80's and early 90's.

How about the difference between 90's kids and the kids of now. Just this afternoon at around noontime, I was out in the parking lot with my cart job and I've been noticing that the kids, it was the end of the school year BTW and they were just being so boisterous, hanging out, riding their bikes, playing basketball, smoking weed, checking their cell phones and just being kids. That's today's kids (2016) but back then being a 90's kid, after graduation and the end of the school year 25 years ago, My parents took me out to eat and that was it. Whatever happened to enjoying yourself, it was sure a nicer time that I lived in back then during the late 80's and early 90's.

I would imagine it was nicer back then.

Question: are those born in 95-96 the last of the 00s teens (in addition to being early mid 10s teens), or no? I guess it depends on how much impact ages 13-14 had on your life.

Question: are those born in 95-96 the last of the 00s teens (in addition to being early mid 10s teens), or no? I guess it depends on how much impact ages 13-14 had on your life.


Their adolescence wasn't that big during the 2000s, since they were kids during the early-mid 2000s. I might say that 1995-1996 babies were mostly early-mid 2010s teens.

Question: are those born in 95-96 the last of the 00s teens (in addition to being early mid 10s teens), or no? I guess it depends on how much impact ages 13-14 had on your life.

Well I was a teen in 2008 and 2009, so yeah I was part of the last 00s teens. I don't know about impact, all I remember was I was excited to be a teen lol.

I would imagine it was nicer back then.


It sure was, I was a 90's kid and I never was that boisterous like the kids of now which all they do is have no life or have no concept of things. ::)

It sure was, I was a 90's kid and I never was that boisterous like the kids of now which all they do is have no life or have no concept of things. ::)

I think you're more a 90s teen than a 90s kid. I know teens can also be called "kids", but when most people say "kid", they usually mean childhood, i.e. ages 5-12.

I think you're more a 90s teen than a 90s kid. I know teens can also be called "kids", but when most people say "kid", they usually mean childhood, i.e. ages 5-12.

Yeah Howard's an 80s kid.

I was a '90s teen, and I think the main thing was the pop culture was different. The '90s started to look dated in, like, 2006 lol. I think even by 2004.

I think you're more a 90s teen than a 90s kid. I know teens can also be called "kids", but when most people say "kid", they usually mean childhood, i.e. ages 5-12.


I was in my mid teens during the 90's.

Yeah Howard's an 80s kid.


Yes Slim, you can say that.

How about the difference between 90's kids and the kids of now. Just this afternoon at around noontime, I was out in the parking lot with my cart job and I've been noticing that the kids, it was the end of the school year BTW and they were just being so boisterous, hanging out, riding their bikes, playing basketball, smoking weed, checking their cell phones and just being kids. That's today's kids (2016) but back then being a 90's kid, after graduation and the end of the school year 25 years ago, My parents took me out to eat and that was it. Whatever happened to enjoying yourself, it was sure a nicer time that I lived in back then during the late 80's and early 90's.


After my graduation, my class rented out an ice cream parlour and we ate a lot of ice cream and breakfast foods.


Question: are those born in 95-96 the last of the 00s teens (in addition to being early mid 10s teens), or no? I guess it depends on how much impact ages 13-14 had on your life.


Being 13 in 2006, I do find myself calling me a mid-2000s teen/adolescent sometimes. I don't strongly identify with it or anything though, my main teen years were the late 2000s and early 2010s. It would be weird if they made a huge point of being a late 2000s teen and disregarding their 2010s teen years. I haven't seen anyone do that though.

After my graduation, my class rented out an ice cream parlour and we ate a lot of ice cream and breakfast foods.

Being 13 in 2006, I do find myself calling me a mid-2000s teen/adolescent sometimes. I don't strongly identify with it or anything though, my main teen years were the late 2000s and early 2010s. It would be weird if they made a huge point of being a late 2000s teen and disregarding their 2010s teen years. I haven't seen anyone do that though.


I consider myself as an early 2010's teenager. Duh, no question. The peak of my teenage years were spent in high school. Age 14-17 from 2010-2013 is like the prime age. I consider the late 2000's to be my late childhood/early teens and the mid 2010's to be my late teens/early young adult stage right now.

I just realized I was still a teen during most of 2000 too( because I have a late birthday).

I just realized I was still a teen during most of 2000 too( because I have a late birthday).

Ah, so was I, since my birthday is also in the second half of the year (July).

Being 13 in 2006, I do find myself calling me a mid-2000s teen/adolescent sometimes. I don't strongly identify with it or anything though, my main teen years were the late 2000s and early 2010s. It would be weird if they made a huge point of being a late 2000s teen and disregarding their 2010s teen years. I haven't seen anyone do that though.

Well, I have heard people say that the 00s were "the last fun decade to be a teen in", or that "2010s teens are idiots who take selfies, listen to dubstep, and are glued to their phones". So, I can sorta see why someone would say "I was 13-14 in 2009. I was an 00s teen, I was part of the last good generation of teens, I just narrowly dodged a bullet, hah!" ;D

Well, I have heard people say that the 00s were "the last fun decade to be a teen in", or that "2010s teens are idiots who take selfies, listen to dubstep, and are glued to their phones". So, I can sorta see why someone would say "I was 13-14 in 2009. I was an 00s teen, I was part of the last good generation of teens, I just narrowly dodged a bullet, hah!" ;D


Who said this? Imma give 'em a good whoppin' :P Dubstep was the greatest.

I know Internet comments are full of idiots, but most people on Facebook, Twitter, Reddit, etc. claim dubstep sounds like nothing more than "robots having sex" mixed in with power tool noises and ducks quacking (lol).

Me personally, I'm not a fan.

I know Internet comments are full of idiots, but most people on Facebook, Twitter, Reddit, etc. claim dubstep sounds like nothing more than "robots having sex" mixed in with power tool noises and ducks quacking (lol).

Me personally, I'm not a fan.


You're not supposed to "listen" to Dubstep anyway, you're supposed to dance to it. This is why 2000s teen culture sucks. No good dance music :P

edit: Oh if you don't like it then that's fine  ;D I ain't gonna let the ringtone rap teens on Reddit tell me that early '10s teens are idiots though :P

Being 13 in 2006, I do find myself calling me a mid-2000s teen/adolescent sometimes. I don't strongly identify with it or anything though, my main teen years were the late 2000s and early 2010s. It would be weird if they made a huge point of being a late 2000s teen and disregarding their 2010s teen years. I haven't seen anyone do that though.


It's an interesting topic. For folks like me, born in the "7" or "8" year of a decade, there's rarely much debate. We're pretty much universally considered the children of the decade after our birth, the teens of the decade after that, and the young adults of the decade after that. It gets a little harder to define for you guys born in the "3" year, though.

To use another decade for comparison sake, kids that turned 13 in 1986 are really hard to peg. On the one hand, they would've started high school in 1987, which was still prime Big Hair/MTV/Classic Eighties territory, but they were also only 18 in 1991, and still plenty young enough to have embraced the Grunge movement.

I know Internet comments are full of idiots, but most people on Facebook, Twitter, Reddit, etc. claim dubstep sounds like nothing more than "robots having sex" mixed in with power tool noises and ducks quacking (lol).

Me personally, I'm not a fan.


Does Skrillex make dubstep music? He used to sing for From First to Last in the real 00s. Because of this, in my eyes, Dubstep is just a continuation of real 00's faux-Emo. The early 00's died out quick but the real 00's live on in newer forms.

It's an interesting topic. For folks like me, born in the "7" or "8" year of a decade, there's rarely much debate. We're pretty much universally considered the children of the decade after our birth, the teens of the decade after that, and the young adults of the decade after that. It gets a little harder to define for you guys born in the "3" year, though.

To use another decade for comparison sake, kids that turned 13 in 1986 are really hard to peg. On the one hand, they would've started high school in 1987, which was still prime Big Hair/MTV/Classic Eighties territory, but they were also only 18 in 1991, and still plenty young enough to have embraced the Grunge movement.


I consider people born in 1973 to be 80s kids and 80s teens. Kids and teens of the same decade. I mean they turned 16 in 1989 meaning they spent most of their teen years there.
They also turned 7 in 1980, making their core childhood in the early 80s.

After my graduation, my class rented out an ice cream parlour and we ate a lot of ice cream and breakfast foods.

Being 13 in 2006, I do find myself calling me a mid-2000s teen/adolescent sometimes. I don't strongly identify with it or anything though, my main teen years were the late 2000s and early 2010s. It would be weird if they made a huge point of being a late 2000s teen and disregarding their 2010s teen years. I haven't seen anyone do that though.


My parents just took me out to dinner.

I just realized I was still a teen during most of 2000 too( because I have a late birthday).


I was in my late 20's.

After my graduation....



My parents just took me out to dinner.

As did mine, even though it was later in the evening than usual. (Of course, it was in mid June, right before the Summer Solstice, when the Northern Hemisphere has long daylight hours.)

To use another decade for comparison sake, kids that turned 13 in 1986 are really hard to peg. On the one hand, they would've started high school in 1987, which was still prime Big Hair/MTV/Classic Eighties territory, but they were also only 18 in 1991, and still plenty young enough to have embraced the Grunge movement.

Peoples' musical tastes and trends can change, y'know. ;) Teens, in particular, jump on new bandwagons very quickly, to seem "cool" to their friends.

Peoples' musical tastes and trends can change, y'know. ;) Teens, in particular, jump on new bandwagons very quickly, to seem "cool" to their friends.


That's true. I miss the way music use to sound when I was a teen, and we had House, Eurodance, and Dance music. I loved how back then every song that was released on FM radio would have a dance version on the single.

Peoples' musical tastes and trends can change, y'know. ;) Teens, in particular, jump on new bandwagons very quickly, to seem "cool" to their friends.


Like compared to us guys over the age of 40 where we were used to music from the 80's era.

Peoples' musical tastes and trends can change, y'know. ;) Teens, in particular, jump on new bandwagons very quickly, to seem "cool" to their friends.


Oh, I lived it. My musical tastes changed all the time growing up. As a little kid I loved "poppier" stuff like Ace of Base, All 4 One, and Hanson, then I got all rebellious in middle school and started listening to Nu Metal and Post Grunge. I got pretty heavily into Hip-Hop around 1999-00 (OutKast, Xzibit, Nelly, DMX, etc.) also, before ultimately getting interested in the '00s Indie/Garage Rock/Post-Punk Revival scene in high school.

00's teens are more pure and innocent than 90's teens.  8)

00's teens are more pure and innocent than 90's teens.  8)


Because we had Internet porn.

http://i.imgur.com/fRWCWKz.gif

Question for Eric: do you consider yourself an 00s teen in any way shape or form?

On Facebook and YouTube, I have heard people say that the 00s were "the last fun decade to be a teen in", or that 00s teens were the last group of teens "who didn't look effeminate", "weren't addicted to social media yet", and "didn't shout memes in real life".

In that case, I can sorta see why someone would say "I was 13-14 in 2009. I was an 00s teen, I was part of the last good generation of teens, I just narrowly dodged a bullet, take that!" ;D

Yes, I know it's stupid and insecure, but then again, most Internet people are stupid and insecure, always trying to act superior to one another and trying to make others feel bad. :P

Because we had Internet porn.

http://i.imgur.com/fRWCWKz.gif


I started doing that back in the late 90's and I admit it I still do that today.

00's teens are more pure and innocent than 90's teens.  8)


Lol hey! How dare you! ;D

Because we had Internet porn.

http://i.imgur.com/fRWCWKz.gif


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Lol hey! How dare you! ;D


You guys had 90's Madonna. That's dirty and unclean.

https://todayinmadonnahistory.files.wordpress.com/2015/10/madonna-october-30-sex-book-1.jpg

We had innocent Beyoncé, in 2003.

You guys had 90's Madonna. That's dirty and unclean.


What?! That was for 20-somethings I'm guessing, and how dare you turn this around on me!! You're too funny ;D

Ok, I was a teenager in the 90s and I NEVER bought that nonsense nor do I remember anyone my age ever buying that book. She wasn't popular with my age group but mostly with people in their 20s. We never even listened to Madonna. I listened to Mariah, Alanis, Karyn, Mary,  and a bunch of other singers who were popular among teens at the time...Madonna wasn't sorry.

My boyfriend Lee was a teen in the 00s... always telling me about his high school, and how different it use to be compared to now. And then I think wow, when he was in high school I was well into my 20s! At least we're both in our 30s now. But I'll be in my 40s while he is still in his 30s. That's one for me! 8)


Aw, I love you cupcake!

What?! That was for 20-somethings I'm guessing, and how dare you turn this around on me!! You're too funny ;D

Ok, I was a teenager in the 90s and I NEVER bought that nonsense nor do I remember anyone my age ever buying that book. She wasn't popular with my age group but mostly with people in their 20s. We never even listened to Madonna. I listened to Mariah, Alanis, Karyn, Mary,  and a bunch of other singers who were popular among teens at the time...Madonna wasn't sorry.


I listened to her during the 80's.

Question for Eric: do you consider yourself an 00s teen in any way shape or form?

On Facebook and YouTube, I have heard people say that the 00s were "the last fun decade to be a teen in", or that 00s teens were the last group of teens "who didn't look effeminate", "weren't addicted to social media yet", and "didn't shout memes in real life".

In that case, I can sorta see why someone would say "I was 13-14 in 2009. I was an 00s teen, I was part of the last good generation of teens, I just narrowly dodged a bullet, take that!" ;D

Yes, I know it's stupid and insecure, but then again, most Internet people are stupid and insecure, always trying to act superior to one another and trying to make others feel bad. :P


Oh fudge no. Those kids of the 90's aren't going to be jumping on the bandwagon and say that the 2000's was the last good decade to be a teen. Oh hell no. Those same folks talk about how bad the culture of the 2000's was yet they're going to say the 2000's was the last great time to be a teen and make of fun of those same teens of the 2010's who were kids in the 2000's. Very hypocritical.... I don't think so! In fact, there's a lot of mainstream and even kid culture of the 2010's that have been better than the 2000's. Despite how bad the political and lifestyle of the 2010's have been.

I listened to her during the 80's.


You did?

I started doing that back in the late 90's and I admit it I still do that today.


;D

You did?



Yes and I have a load of favorites from her.

;D


Hey, I can't lie.  ;)

What's your favorite Madonna song, Howard?

That's true. I miss the way music use to sound when I was a teen, and we had House, Eurodance, and Dance music. I loved how back then every song that was released on FM radio would have a dance version on the single.

In the mid 90's I was too young to go to a club obviously, so instead we'd go skating and they'd always play that music and it was always fun. Dance mixes of today's pop and hip hop don't always sound right.

What's your favorite Madonna song, Howard?


from years 1983-1988, I have a lot to list but a couple I like are Everybody, Like A Virgin, Material Girl, Who's That Girl, Burning Up and Lucky Star just to name a few.

from years 1983-1988, I have a lot to list but a couple I like are Everybody, Like A Virgin, Material Girl, Who's That Girl, Burning Up and Lucky Star just to name a few.


What about Into The Groove? I think that's her best song.

What about Into The Groove? I think that's her best song.



Into The Groove I like too.

Into The Groove I like too.


I think that's her best song. Good to dance to.