I'm wondering what impact we think this would have on the decade as a whole in posterity and on people growing up and living in this decade. I always thought the crystal meth problem in rural areas was a symbol of economic dereliction and depression, like it was with the late '80s-early '90s crack epidemic in poor urban areas. I think it'll gain steam through white economically depressed areas through the late '00s and start calming down sometime in the early '10s. It's apparently an even worse drug for child abuse than crack, so I think in parts of the country Generation Z will be known for having alot of kids who were foster children from meth-addicted parents. I think this might be part of the source of what will be Gen Z disillusionment with American corporate culture, tech, current economy, elitism, etc. in the '10s and '20s.

It's pretty bad out here in the Midwest. I know several people from high school who have severely f*cked up their lives (and even died) because of this sh*t.  >:(

It's pretty bad out here in the Midwest. I know several people from high school who have severely f*cked up their lives (and even died) because of this sh*t.  >:(


I have a friend who lives in Lincoln, Nebraska and basically says it's a plague out there, particularly in the agricultural countryside. Around here, urban areas are still recovering from the massive Northeastern crack epidemic of the late '80s and early '90s, but we haven't had a serious drug epidemic since then.

I've had friends become addicted to drugs, but none of them to meth.  Two had cocaine habits, two had heroin problems and unfortunately one of them OD'd a few years ago.  Where I used to live in Chicago and where I currently live in Georgia are not exactly hotbeds of crystal meth activity, but it wouldn't surprise me if there was a hidden lab around here somewhere.  I live not too far from Country Club of the South and a lot of rich teenagers with daddy's money are running around; Lord knows what they're into.


Drugs are stupid and people who do them are stupid, or at the very least mentally ill.  I can think of no other reason why anyone would want to subject themselves and the people around them to that kind of torture other than the fact they hate themselves and those around them.  You can't possibly love someone and put them through that kind of hell.

I have a friend who lives in Lincoln, Nebraska and basically says it's a plague out there, particularly in the agricultural countryside. Around here, urban areas are still recovering from the massive Northeastern crack epidemic of the late '80s and early '90s, but we haven't had a serious drug epidemic since then.
Serious? I'm from Lincoln (actually Waverly) originally.

I've had friends become addicted to drugs, but none of them to meth.  Two had cocaine habits, two had heroin problems and unfortunately one of them OD'd a few years ago.  Where I used to live in Chicago and where I currently live in Georgia are not exactly hotbeds of crystal meth activity, but it wouldn't surprise me if there was a hidden lab around here somewhere.  I live not too far from Country Club of the South and a lot of rich teenagers with daddy's money are running around; Lord knows what they're into.


Drugs are stupid and people who do them are stupid, or at the very least mentally ill.  I can think of no other reason why anyone would want to subject themselves and the people around them to that kind of torture other than the fact they hate themselves and those around them.  You can't possibly love someone and put them through that kind of hell.

Yeah, my friend is from North Lincoln, she's a high school senior now.


I have friends who live in the city, and go to a prep school where the kids do coke. It's very strange these people will all grow up to be doctors, lawyers, and businesspeople. My town has a problem where everyone but me and a few other kids seemingly spends the weekends drinking excessive amounts of beer and vodka they filch from their parents' liquor cabinets while their parents are god knows where, at spas or business trips or something (none of us are WASPs but alot of us like to pretend to be, we're mostly German-Irish or Italian), and drinking massive amounts of shots. A really bright kid, set for Harvard, an all-around musician/athlete/student of excellence, almost died this fall of alcohol poisoning and choking on his own vomit. I just don't get the appeal of alcoholism...who wants to end up miserable and alcoholic at 45?

People around here don't even know what crystal meth is, I'm guessing, unless they're part of the gay club crowd. The inner city people consider it classless and "white trash/crackery", and the suburban people just don't have it under their radar.

Saw a thing on the news only last week which said it had started to become a problem in the U.K , I had never heard of it before until that report. They said it is worse than E and causes serious, irreversable psychological problems.

Drugs are stupid and people who do them are stupid, or at the very least mentally ill.  I can think of no other reason why anyone would want to subject themselves and the people around them to that kind of torture other than the fact they hate themselves and those around them.  You can't possibly love someone and put them through that kind of hell.
Hmm that's a very naive way of looking at drugs.Yes drugs are stupid and doing them is stupid but people don't try them due to mental health. People try drugs out of curiosity in the main,I certainly did, also boredom or peer pressure. As a friend of mine, who is a recovered Heroin addict says 'What all those anti drugs campaigns in the world never tell you is just how good it makes you feel' THAT'S what makes people keep taking them and then before the bad stuff kicks in it's too late you're hooked. I'm sure if you ask 100 drug addicts not one of them would say 'I started taking drugs because I hate my family and want to make their lives hell'
My friend thinks campaigns should be honest and say, yes this is probably the best feeling you will ever have in your life, BUT you will never quite get that first high again and this is all the bad stuff that comes with it.He thinks there are alot of people out there who try drugs knowing what anti-campaigns say and think 'wow this is fantastic, those people lied when they said that stuff about how bad it is' 

Drugs are stupid and people who do them are stupid, or at the very least mentally ill.  I can think of no other reason why anyone would want to subject themselves and the people around them to that kind of torture other than the fact they hate themselves and those around them.  You can't possibly love someone and put them through that kind of hell.
I wouldn't say that. I think there are certain drugs that are dangerous and harmful (like meth and crack) and yeah, are stupid. However, there are other drugs, IMO, which are relatively benign and, I believe, are no more harmful than alcohol if used responsibly and in moderation. For example, I myself see absolutely nothing wrong with going home after work and smoking a joint to unwind, and the only reason I don't do it myself is that I'm subject to random drug testing at my job and I feel that it isn't worth the risk.
  Besides, who are you to preach about drugs, Sister "Morphine?"  ::)

I live in a mostly rural section of Ohio, and crystal meth labs have been popping up here the last three or four years. In fact, one was raided not far from my place of employment a few months ago. I'm sure there are more around here somewhere. Clearly, the pushers have found a new market.  :( Growing up in a city that was rife with cocaine trafficking and the like, I never would have guessed the countryside would be the next battleground in the war on drugs.

I live in a mostly rural section of Ohio, and crystal meth labs have been popping up here the last three or four years. In fact, one was raided not far from my place of employment a few months ago. I'm sure there are more around here somewhere. Clearly, the pushers have found a new market.  :( Growing up in a city that was rife with cocaine trafficking and the like, I never would have guessed the countryside would be the next battleground in the war on drugs.




The hard drug merchants are always looking for a new group of poor and disenfranchised people to ruin. They just raided a meth lab in the Jersey countryside, and I've heard more talk of meth lately...it's almost everywhere now, except the cities.

There's alwys SOME drug that comes around to screw perople up big-time.

In the '60s there was LSD.

In the 70's cocaine hit the big time.

The 80's saw the advent of 'basing and crack

The '90s saw oxycontin take off

The '00s have oxy and crystal meth.\

It's always something...  >:(

I wouldn't say that. I think there are certain drugs that are dangerous and harmful (like meth and crack) and yeah, are stupid. However, there are other drugs, IMO, which are relatively benign and, I believe, are no more harmful than alcohol if used responsibly and in moderation. For example, I myself see absolutely nothing wrong with going home after work and smoking a joint to unwind, and the only reason I don't do it myself is that I'm subject to random drug testing at my job and I feel that it isn't worth the risk.
  Besides, who are you to preach about drugs, Sister "Morphine?"  ::)



My screenname is a Stones song.  I shouldn't have to not listen to it or like it, just because a medicinal pain killer is in the title.  I "preach" because I've seen how dangerous drug use is from a personal standpoint.  I've had a friend die from an OD, and for you to assume that because my screenname has the word "morphine" in it, I'm some how not allowed to express my views on the subject............well, frankly it shows you're not quite bright.

My screenname is a Stones song.  I shouldn't have to not listen to it or like it, just because a medicinal pain killer is in the title.  I "preach" because I've seen how dangerous drug use is from a personal standpoint.  I've had a friend die from an OD, and for you to assume that because my screenname has the word "morphine" in it, I'm some how not allowed to express my views on the subject............ well, frankly it shows you're not quite bright.


Hmmm

I find your screen-name offensive and your 'couldn't gve a flying f**k' attitude too, especially over the past few days.

My mother had morphine pumped into her intravenously for a full day before she died of a ruptured aortic aneurysm, massively high but also still in chronic pain. What a way to go huh!  Your screen name is inappropriate. 

I have friends who live in the city, and go to a prep school where the kids do coke. It's very strange these people will all grow up to be doctors, lawyers, and businesspeople.
...
I just don't get the appeal of alcoholism...who wants to end up miserable and alcoholic at 45?



I've worked with/around professional white collar people all my adult life and have never heard, seen or been involved with people who have had a drug problem. Alcohol, yes, but probably only two or three people I can think of in the last 20 years.

People who get involved with drugs at an early age (or people who are just into drugs) aren

Hmmm

I find your screen-name offensive and your 'couldn't gve a flying f**k' attitude too, especially over the past few days.

My mother had morphine pumped into her intravenously for a full day before she died of a ruptured aortic aneurysm, massively high but also still in chronic pain. What a way to go huh!  Your screen name is inappropriate. 




My attitude is a direct result of people on this board.  When people in one thread start insinuating you have herpes and then after you ask them not to joke about you in that manner, they do it anyway, it tends to piss you off.  I don't find jokes like that funny and where I come from, if you ask someone nicely to do something, they should do it.  If they want to joke about others in that manner, then fine, but leave me out.  I posted my views on drugs because of what I experienced with my own two eyes; for someone to tell me that because the word "morphine" is in my name, I can't do that.....who the hell are they to say that?

Furthermore, my screenname is a rock song, no more and no less.  I'm sorry about what happened to your mother, but trying to make me look bad because of my choice of a screenname is reaching, and you know it.  It's extrapolation and it's unnecessary. 

If you want to see how drugs can really screw people up, make the completely paranoid, and do really, REALLY stupid things, you should watch the movie Wonderland starring Val Kilmer and Lisa Kudrow.

where I come from, if you ask someone nicely to do something, they should do it. 


okay.

are you seriously claiming, with a straight face, that you "asked nicely," though?

If you want to see how drugs can really screw people up, make the completely paranoid, and do really, REALLY stupid things, you should watch the movie Wonderland starring Val Kilmer and Lisa Kudrow.


Everybody calm down! Let's talk about meth!

I've seen that movie, it's like a more realistic footnote to Boogie Nights.

This is obviously topical in every country at the moment - my morning paper had an article about how it is the latest nightclub drug "because its easier and cleaner than lining up coke on a dirty bathroom sink".

Personally I didnt know drug users bothered to check their hygiene first !!!  And please dont take that as being flippant. I have lost a lot of aquaintances to overdoses - both intentional and unintentional - over the years. Their habits disgusted me and their continual use of peer pressure style encouragement for me to join them in their habits was generally the end of our friendships.

Here are a couple of articles from todays paper which are about Perths current drug problems.

http://www.sundaytimes.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,7034,18352143%255E2761,00.html

http://www.sundaytimes.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,7034,18352145%255E2761,00.html

okay.

are you seriously claiming, with a straight face, that you "asked nicely," though?



I believe my words were something along the lines of "I don't know what kind of sense of humor you have, but I don't like you joking about me in that manner and I would like you to stop".  After the person didn't do it, then I asked again in a not-so-nice manner.

I don't want to bring that bullsheesh into this thread because it has no place here, but if you can't see how someone would not like people they don't know saying they have herpes, I don't know what else to say.  Also, the reason I said "I have no idea what this thread is about" was not an attempt to make anyone feel stupid, as someone in the 2nd thread stated.  I had never been to that thread before, and I genuinely didn't know what it was about. 

And that's the last I'm speaking on that thread.

My screenname is a Stones song.  I shouldn't have to not listen to it or like it, just because a medicinal pain killer is in the title.  I "preach" because I've seen how dangerous drug use is from a personal standpoint.  I've had a friend die from an OD, and for you to assume that because my screenname has the word "morphine" in it, I'm some how not allowed to express my views on the subject............well, frankly it shows you're not quite bright.
Your name is about drugs...

...And drugs are bad

And bad is wrong

And wrong is sinful

And sin leads to eternal damnation

AND HOT BURNIN' FIRE

HOT BURNIN' FIRE

HOT BURNIN' FIRE

HOT BURNIN' FIRE

SCREAMS OF AGONY!

SCREAMS OF AGONY!

SCREAMS OF AGONY!

SCREAMS OF AGONY!

AAAAAAaaaa you're going to hell.

Everybody calm down! Let's talk about meth!

I've seen that movie, it's like a more realistic footnote to Boogie Nights.


Yes, Boogie Nights was written by Paul Thomas Anderson after he read a magazine article about the real events leading up to the Wonderland murders, and the biographies of some of the "players". 

Several of the real-life players participated in the production of Wonderland, but none participated in Boogie Nights, which had a much happier ending than the real-life version  :-\\.

Yes, Boogie Nights was written by Paul Thomas Anderson after he read a magazine article about the real events leading up to the Wonderland murders, and the biographies of some of the "players". 

Several of the real-life players participated in the production of Wonderland, but none participated in Boogie Nights, which had a much happier ending than the real-life version  :-\\.


Nina Hartley though, another porn star (and a Jewish one, no less) was in Boogie Nights.

Nina Hartley though, another porn star (and a Jewish one, no less) was in Boogie Nights.


Oh yeah, I forgot about that.

Other notable jewish porn figures are/were Harry Reems (Herb Streicher), Ron Jeremy (Ron Hyatt), and Al Goldstein

Oh yeah, I forgot about that.

Other notable jewish porn figures are/were Harry Reems (Herb Streicher), Ron Jeremy (Ron Hyatt), and Al Goldstein


I feel so proud to be part of a group that dips its fingers in literally everything.

Where I used to live in Chicago and where I currently live in Georgia are not exactly hotbeds of crystal meth activity, but it wouldn't surprise me if there was a hidden lab around here somewhere. 


Uhhh, most of the SE is a major area for the manufacture and sale of Meth.  This is especially true in Georgia and Alabama.  And both states have rather high arrest rates for both possession and manufacture of meth.

Just because you do not see it, that does not mean it is not there.

This is obviously topical in every country at the moment - my morning paper had an article about how it is the latest nightclub drug "because its easier and cleaner than lining up coke on a dirty bathroom sink".

Personally I didnt know drug users bothered to check their hygiene first !!! 


One of my favorite shows is Cops, and I watch it every chance I get.

About 2 weeks ago, they were doing a show on Cops in Las Vegas.  They went into this bar to do a "Bar Check", because it was a known place where dealers sold drugs.  They were just walking around, and one of them walked into the bathroom.

And there was this guy, snorting coke from the top of the urinal!

Even the cops were flabbergasted.  They were not sure if they should laugh, or be sick as they arrested the Chuck.

Uhhh, most of the SE is a major area for the manufacture and sale of Meth.  This is especially true in Georgia and Alabama.  And both states have rather high arrest rates for both possession and manufacture of meth.

Just because you do not see it, that does not mean it is not there.



I didn't say it wasn't there.  I said that where I live, it's not common, but I wouldn't be surprised if there was a hidden lab somewhere.  I live in Alpharetta, which is north of Atlanta.  There's a lot of rich people up my direction, so I wouldn't be surprised if some of them are doing some of this on the side. 

I didn't say it wasn't there.  I said that where I live, it's not common, but I wouldn't be surprised if there was a hidden lab somewhere.  I live in Alpharetta, which is north of Atlanta.  There's a lot of rich people up my direction, so I wouldn't be surprised if some of them are doing some of this on the side. 


Meth is not a rich people's drug...its use is highest among lower middle-class to impoverished rural people and the gay club scene. The stink of poverty it has makes it unappealing to the rich.

Meth is not a rich people's drug...its use is highest among lower middle-class to impoverished rural people and the gay club scene. The stink of poverty it has makes it unappealing to the rich.



I wasn't aware of that.  I just thought it was chalked up to initiative and time; if you want it, you'll find some way to get it.

I wasn't aware of that.  I just thought it was chalked up to initiative and time; if you want it, you'll find some way to get it.


Oh, it's all right! I'm sure there are ways to get meth where I live, but it's not popular because it doesn't fit in with the whole "preppie" scheme of things. 

Part of the reason for this is that the ingredients used to make it are readily found on farms and it can be "cooked up" in your own kitchen.  For anyone who's tried to buy cold medicine lately and found it "behind the counter", meth is part of the reason for that as one of the ingredients is also found in OTC cold medicine.

I was watching a show on TV about meth and it's scary to think that the ingredients in meth are the same used in the Oklahoma city bomb :o


Meth is pretty scary. I'm just glad it's probably not hitting my neck of the woods anytime soon...the urban market thinks it's classless and the suburban market doesn't know what it is and thinks the same. Thank god for BosNePhilWash snootiness!

Part of the reason for this is that the ingredients used to make it are readily found on farms and it can be "cooked up" in your own kitchen.  For anyone who's tried to buy cold medicine lately and found it "behind the counter", meth is part of the reason for that as one of the ingredients is also found in OTC cold medicine.

I was watching a show on TV about meth and it's scary to think that the ingredients in meth are the same used in the Oklahoma city bomb :o
One of the ingredients that can be used to make meth is anhydrous ammonia, which farmers use as a fertilizer, and which they transport out to their fields in large trailer tanks. Over the last several years there's been a rash of incidents where these tanks have either been stolen or have at least been broken into, and the farmers now have to lock up their tanks.
    Not only has the meth epidemic had devastating effects on people's lives in terms of addiction, but the manufacture of meth has had disastrous environmental consequences as well. The mixture of chemicals used to make meth can be so volatile and potentially deadly that whenever the authorities raid a meth lab, they have go in wearing chemical suits and call in hazmat teams in order to clean up the sites, and this has proven to be very expensive, dangerous, and time consuming. A guy I knew from my hometown, who was a few years older than me, died as a result of being overcome by toxic fumes from a chemical reaction while attempting to cook meth.
    I'll readily admit that I've experimented with a few different drugs when I was younger, but I never had any desire to try meth. When I think about what goes into it, it just seems so nasty and bad for your system.
 

I'm still waiting for Virtual reality to be advanced enough so that any experience will be possible...without the bad side effects (apart from VR addiction).

I'm still waiting for Virtual reality to be advanced enough so that any experience will be possible...without the bad side effects (apart from VR addiction).


It never will be, VR will never happen...sorry.

Many farmers here have stopped using it.  I haven't heard about any being stolen, but I can see it happening.  One question, though.....where the heck do you hide a tanker ??? ;D
Oh, I don't mean those large tanker-trailers that are pulled by semis.  I meant those smaller tanks that can be pulled by a pickup truck. I mean, you're an Iowegian, I know you've seen them. ;)
   
They look like this:
http://cropwatch.unl.edu/photos/cwphoto/anhydrou.jpg

I imagine they could probably fit in someone's garage. Although pulling one of these things down the road at 2 am is going to look just a tad suspicious... ::)

Serious? I'm from Lincoln (actually Waverly) originally.


Now yo' from Missura.

Meth is not a rich people's drug...its use is highest among lower middle-class to impoverished rural people and the gay club scene. The stink of poverty it has makes it unappealing to the rich.


Actually, rich people tend to avoid drugs like Crack and Meth because of the high level of addiction.

These are both highly addictive drugs, and this is a distraction to somebody who wants to appear to have a "normal" life.  After all, it is kinda hard to be a "recreational crack head".

Instead, they stick to drugs that are just as dangerous, but have a lower level of addiction, like Coke, Grass, and E.  Or drugs which have much lower impact on their day-to-day lives, like uppers or downers.

Now yo' from Missura.
Well, you got it mostly right. You got the "Missura" part correct, but people say "yer" instead of "yo."

It's funny, though...when I first moved down here about a year-and-a-half ago, I kept hearing the same thing quite a bit. I actually live in Independence, which is a suburb of Kansas City, (and the hometown of President Harry S Truman), and when I first got here and would talk to people, they'd all refer to Independence as being "the meth capital of the world."

As I would've suspected, meth use is highest on the west coast (buoyed by rural areas and the gay communities there), the midwest, the Southwest, and the mountains, and lowest in the Northeast, the Virginia-Carolina-Tennessee area of the south, and Ohio, Illinois, and Wisconsin.

lowest in the Northeast, the Virginia-
well, sucks for me!

Yeah, living on the Illinois, Iowa boarder I'm in the "Meth" capital of the US. Frankly after hearing how it was made I was totally taken back. This is the stupidest most inconvient way of getting high that I've seen compared to all the "natural" based substances. Heck, sniffing paint seems healthier. The ingrediants alone by themselves are enough to kill someone. And then there's the delivery system of injecting it with a needle between one's toes!