I'm just wondering when people think the backlash towards the hipster emo/indie subculture is coming. I'm guessing 2008 or 2009. The effect it will probably have is moving the 2010s away from the more pretentious, deliberately smart, materialistic, upscaled '00s culture.

Yeah. 2008-'09.  Either it will decline or only get bigger.  Emo is still pretty new.

Yeah. 2008-'09.  Either it will decline or only get bigger.  Emo is still pretty new.


I think the trend will peak later this year through early 2008, and probably decline after that. It's so damn whiny I can't see it getting that huge after about 08-09.

That's true, LOL.  I mean, really, they're crying in the freaking dark.  ;D

That's true, LOL.  I mean, really, they're crying in the freaking dark.  ;D


I think at some point all the emo people will just wake up and go take a walk on a sunny day through a meadow of tulips or something.

I think at some point all the emo people will just wake up and go take a walk on a sunny day through a meadow of tulips or something.


lol

I hate emo music.  I like artists who can be diverse musically and maybe do a few sad songs, but a whole album of Morrisey-esque whining?  Please, please, please take your Thorazine and smile for once.

Backlash??!!

I must be real far behind in times cause I just found out the other day exactly what Emo is! lol

:( ;D

I hate emo music.  I like artists who can be diverse musically and maybe do a few sad songs, but a whole album of Morrisey-esque whining?  Please, please, please take your Thorazine and smile for once.


That perfectly describes a Bright Eyes CD!

That perfectly describes a Bright Eyes CD!



I'm sure Conor Oberst is a fine musician, but does his life suck that much?  He's rich and good-looking; what the hell is the problem?

I'm sure Conor Oberst is a fine musician, but does his life suck that much?  He's rich and good-looking; what the hell is the problem?


"Oooh, I'm so sad, I got $500,000 instead of a million this year!"  ;D

"Oooh, I'm so sad, I got $500,000 instead of a million this year!"  ;D



It's almost as annoying as Neil Young's incessant whining.

^Yeah, why whine?  I guess it's better than super-angry music.

I dont mind some emo songs but I woulnt consider myself a fan of the genre by any means.btw the backlash will really take off in 2009.

I don't mind Emo music honestly.  It's certainly better than the Nu Metal explosion that dominated rock at the beginning of the decade.  I do think a lot of them aren't really whiney or emotional in real life.  I get the feeling the "whiney, suicidal emo kid" is just an image and that a lot of them are actually happy, well adjusted people.  That's the way it is with a lot of emo kids at my school.  They may look emo, but they're not sad or whiney at all.  Some of them even border on being preppy.

I don't mind Emo music honestly.  It's certainly better than the Nu Metal explosion that dominated rock at the beginning of the decade.  I do think a lot of them aren't really whiney or emotional in real life.  I get the feeling the "whiney, suicidal emo kid" is just an image and that a lot of them are actually happy, well adjusted people.  That's the way it is with a lot of emo kids at my school.  They may look emo, but they're not sad or whiney at all.  Some of them even border on being preppy.


What does an "emo kid" mean, anyway? There're these people who spend their entire lives trying to classify people as "emo", basically meaning anyone who's thoughtful and isn't mindless-that's not true, the whole emo culture is as mindless and self-absorbed as any culture. It doesn't even matter, it's so stupid what an "emo" person is, it's not a legitimate "lifestyle." Basically, all the music amounts to is masturbation with a hankie for your tears.

I don't mind Emo music honestly.  It's certainly better than the Nu Metal explosion that dominated rock at the beginning of the decade.  I do think a lot of them aren't really whiney or emotional in real life.  I get the feeling the "whiney, suicidal emo kid" is just an image and that a lot of them are actually happy, well adjusted people.  That's the way it is with a lot of emo kids at my school.  They may look emo, but they're not sad or whiney at all.  Some of them even border on being preppy.


I kind of like some of the music.  It certainly beats numetal :)

I wasn't aware of the fact that it eclipsed numetal around 2002/'03.  That's probably because our local rock station is grunge-based.

I kind of like some of the music.  It certainly beats numetal :)

I wasn't aware of the fact that it eclipsed numetal around 2002/'03.  That's probably because our local rock station is grunge-based.


You do live in the Pacific Northwest. Emo is really more of a Northeast/Midwest/Florida/Arizona and Californialand thing, I suppose.

You do live in the Pacific Northwest. Emo is really more of a Northeast/Midwest/Florida/Arizona and Californialand thing, I suppose.


Oh, it's probably everywhere.

Actually, the PNW has a lot of indie rock.

Oh, it's probably everywhere.

Actually, the PNW has a lot of indie rock.


The PNW has alot of indie rock, but it's not quite the really whiny sounding emo of the New York area.

The PNW has alot of indie rock, but it's not quite the really whiny sounding emo of the New York area.


No.  Indie and emo are very different.  Indie is more '60s-influenced, emo is a mix of '90s alternative, boy bands, New Wave, and indie rock.

No.  Indie and emo are very different.  Indie is more '60s-influenced, emo is a mix of '90s alternative, boy bands, New Wave, and indie rock.


They get a similar audience among teenagers, though.

They get a similar audience among teenagers, though.


Well, yeah, they're both a hip subculture.

Well, yeah, they're both a hip subculture.


I think New York is the thriving place of this, it'll probably go really far downhill, along with NYC's culture in general, after the '00s is over. You'll see all sorts of emo kids walking around in a daze c. 2010 at the end of their existence. This happened in the '90s when Seattle and Portland stole NYC's thunder...or really manufactured their own. NYC always thinks it's the home of the thunder gods, if you know what I mean, so it's pretty funny when they realize it isn't always the center of the universe.

I don't mind Emo music honestly.  It's certainly better than the Nu Metal explosion that dominated rock at the beginning of the decade.  I do think a lot of them aren't really whiney or emotional in real life.  I get the feeling the "whiney, suicidal emo kid" is just an image and that a lot of them are actually happy, well adjusted people.  That's the way it is with a lot of emo kids at my school.  They may look emo, but they're not sad or whiney at all.  Some of them even border on being preppy.



That's because you are a fudgein ****** who knows sheesh about history and music, Nu Metal synthesized the turn of millennium spirit...a style so innovative, diverse and unpretentious. It was the last innovation in rock music, whatever that means. On the other hand emo is poor and formulaic while indie retro sheesh is boring recycled crap which will never match the originals, why go analog in the 00s anyway? fudge THAT...we need to resume where nu-metal stopped.

It's here, already!

;D

That's because you are a (i_idiotically_tried_to_break_the_rules_by_using_profanity) ****** who knows sheesh about history and music, Nu Metal synthesized the turn of millennium spirit...a style so innovative, diverse and unpretentious. It was the last innovation in rock music, whatever that means. On the other hand emo is poor and formulaic while indie retro sheesh is boring recycled crap which will never match the originals, why go analog in the 00s anyway? fudge THAT...we need to resume where nu-metal stopped.


Nu-Metal had a good concept and bands such as Sevendust, RATM, and Deftones were good nu-metal bands.  Others, such as Limp Bizkit, was trying to cash in on the whole teen-angst with songs like "Break Stuff" or "My Generation" with lyrics involving hating your parents and confusion, etc...

I still prefer it to emo.  I honestly don't know how anyone can find it to be good music let alone even hearing it for a few seconds before you shut it off because of the horrible out-of-tune screamings.  I imagine others so different strokes for different folks.

That said, an emo backlash might or might not happen. 

I don't think there was ever an "emo backlash." I think it's more that its time passed as a musical force. Emo peaked in 2005 and 2006; by mid-late 2007 emo and its derivatives in "indie" music were already going the way of the dinosaurs. Bands like Fall Out Boy, Panic at the Disco!, My Chemical Romance, and Dashboard Confessional peaked around the time the mid '00s were transitioning to the late '00s: the summer and fall of 2006. In terms of indiemo (Death Cab for Cutie, Bright Eyes, The Postal Service) that stuff was also very 2004 and very 2005 with diminishing interest into 2007.

What came into fashion starting in spring 2006 was a more diverse array of indie rock, like Arcade Fire, Of Montreal, Broken Social Scene, Regina Spektor, Vampire Weekend, that took from earlier stuff like the Unicorns and Belle and Sebastian. Alot of this music is vaguely inspired, at least, by the Smiths, the Beatles, and the later work of the Velvet Underground, as opposed to the more Talking Heads, Television, and Joy Division-inspired music that predominated the "hip" scene of the early '00s...even if Bloc Party was very well inspired by this scene and reached huge popularity in 2007. By late 2007, emo was going into a lull. I think it was a combination of slowly changing popular taste to stuff that's edgier than emo can offer, and also just the vagaries of music release. Late 2007 and the first part of 2008 just lacked big releases by emo bands...the last one was Fall Out Boy's in early winter '07. As a result, the subculture began to stagnate.

Pretty much 2007 was the last "hipster" year in opinon...this indie stuff was dying down around the later end of that year and it was getting more commercialized stuff.  2008 was the end of emo.. we had more "scene" and "hardcore" last year...emo was a thing in the late 1990s - mid 2000s thing.  Emo music is not that mainstream, but I'm hearing lots of high school life is great power pop.  Around 2009 for sure.

Pretty much 2007 was the last "hipster" year in opinon...this indie stuff was dying down around the later end of that year and it was getting more commercialized stuff.  2008 was the end of emo.. we had more "scene" and "hardcore" last year...emo was a thing in the late 1990s - mid 2000s thing.   Emo music is not that mainstream, but I'm hearing lots of high school life is great power pop.  Around 2009 for sure.

No, I would say EMO(non pop-EMO) was more of a 2002-mid 2006 thing. EMO really wasn't around in the 90's at all.

Pretty much 2007 was the last "hipster" year in opinon...this indie stuff was dying down around the later end of that year and it was getting more commercialized stuff.  2008 was the end of emo.. we had more "scene" and "hardcore" last year...emo was a thing in the late 1990s - mid 2000s thing.  Emo music is not that mainstream, but I'm hearing lots of high school life is great power pop.  Around 2009 for sure.



I am curious on how the Emo scene got huge anyways, due to the fact that MTV isn't playing music videos anymore(which, with TRL, helped make Nu-Metal huge).

Sorry but the emo subculture is not dieing down neither is indie.