Believe it or not I actually like some hair metal songs. I think its just because the peak of hair metal was around the time I was born so when I hear those songs it makes me think about those times. I think if I would have been my age now in the late-80's I probably would feel the same way about hair metal as I do rap now.



Well yeah, there's a couple of hair metal songs I like, but as a whole.......I don't care much for the genre (was it even a genre?).

I think that glam rap and hair metal have always been very silly genres. I mean, the great majority of '80s music was extremely, extremely silly. I just think it started to become obvious how silly hair metal was in the late '80s and it's soon going to become obvious how silly glam rap is. Yeah, there're some good early hair metal songs-Sister Christian by Night Ranger is probably one of the best.

Well yeah, there's a couple of hair metal songs I like, but as a whole.......I don't care much for the genre (was it even a genre?).



No I dont really think hair metal is a seprate genre. Its pretty much just glam rock except about women, fast cars, etc. I'm not a huge fan the only "hair metal" cd I own is by Guns N' Roses but there are some songs I like.

I think that glam rap and hair metal have always been very silly genres. I mean, the great majority of '80s music was extremely, extremely silly. I just think it started to become obvious how silly hair metal was in the late '80s and it's soon going to become obvious how silly glam rap is. Yeah, there're some good early hair metal songs-Sister Christian by Night Ranger is probably one of the best.



Yeah by 1990 people had pretty much had there fill of hair metal with "Cherry Pie" by Warrant being the song that really made everybody start to turn against it IMO. I think that'll be the downfall of glam rap, when people get to that same moment where everyone realises "What have we spent the last decade listening too?" When that happens it'll get dropped like a ton of bricks ;D

Yeah by 1990 people had pretty much had there fill of hair metal with "Cherry Pie" by Warrant being the song that really made everybody start to turn against it IMO. I think that'll be the downfall of glam rap, when people get to that same moment where everyone realises "What have we spent the last decade listening too?" When that happens it'll get dropped like a ton of bricks ;D


I think so too.

At least nu metal is dead.  Papa Roach's "Scars" kind of demonstrates this.  The radio stations played the hell out of it, but it seems like the only people that buy it are people that worship the radio and Papa Roach's fan base.  Nu metal isn't trendy anymore the way emo is.

I think so too.

At least nu metal is dead.  Papa Roach's "Scars" kind of demonstrates this.  The radio stations played the hell out of it, but it seems like the only people that buy it are people that worship the radio and Papa Roach's fan base.  Nu metal isn't trendy anymore the way emo is.



Yeah nu metal is pretty much dead in the water now but's its really been heading in that direction for a few years now. Heck even Papa Roach took a slight turn toward pop-punk with there last album.

Emo is just as worthlessly manufactured and trendy as nu metal...I seriously believe it was made by the record companies to get in touch with today's terminally self-absorbed teens, it gets all sorts of "hip" graphics and irony to it to make snotty, depressed teens think they're smart when buying it.

Emo is just as worthlessly manufactured and trendy as nu metal...I seriously believe it was made by the record companies to get in touch with today's terminally self-absorbed teens, it gets all sorts of "hip" graphics and irony to it to make snotty, depressed teens think they're smart when buying it.


I agree.

I heard someone say online that it was "Boys crying in the dark".  That's the PERFECT way to describe it.  ;D

Although I do like some emo-ish things, like obviously Donnie Darko and I like the Killers and Weezer too.

I agree.

I heard someone say online that it was "Boys crying in the dark".  That's the PERFECT way to describe it.  ;D

Although I do like some emo-ish things, like obviously Donnie Darko and I like the Killers and Weezer too.



I like the Killers and Weezer too. Not all emo is bad I just dont like the whole "emo-scene"

I like the Killers and Weezer too. Not all emo is bad I just dont like the whole "emo-scene"


I'd agree.

Although I have to say, at least it's different.  At least it gives the '00s some sort of theme, even if it's a sucky one.  Crappy stuff often makes the best nostalgia.

I like the Killers and Weezer too. Not all emo is bad I just dont like the whole "emo-scene"


They're emo?

I'd agree.

Although I have to say, at least it's different.  At least it gives the '00s some sort of theme, even if it's a sucky one.  Crappy stuff often makes the best nostalgia.



Yeah emo has been one of the only distinctive things about this decade.

I like the Killers and Weezer too. Not all emo is bad I just dont like the whole "emo-scene"




I love Weezer.  Their new album is fantastic.

They're emo?


Well, not exactly.  But the emo people dig them.

Well, not exactly.  But the emo people dig them.


Yea come to think of it I remember that one emo girl with the Killers shirt on. I do like some emo music, but I'm not emo, if that makes any sense.

Yea come to think of it I remember that one emo girl with the Killers shirt on. I do like some emo music, but I'm not emo, if that makes any sense.

I'm the same way.  Even Fall Out Boy are kind of good, if only because they're so catchy.

Trying to fit trends into a sociological context is pretty damn fun. The '80s was the final blow to '60s consciousness. Emo is a long-term reaction to September 11th and all the subsequent '00s events by Generation Y. Until then, we were essentially carefree and had experienced some of the best times in American history in the '80s and '90s. We have been forced to confront that we are only made of materialistic pop culture and unable to separate ourselves from it, so we have produced emo to validate our feelings of self-hatred and degradation while staying within the commercial context we know and love.

2007 sounds so far away, but that's less than a year from now, so heck, if that's the case - I'll be one happy camper. I have seen a decline for sometime, but for some reason it still sticks around like a sore thumb. I thought with Outkast, rap may start taking a turn for the better, but it still sounds like crap for the most part.

2007 sounds so far away, but that's less than a year from now, so heck, if that's the case - I'll be one happy camper. I have seen a decline for sometime, but for some reason it still sticks around like a sore thumb. I thought with Outkast, rap may start taking a turn for the better, but it still sounds like crap for the most part.


I think it's huge now, but close to an end.  It's been at its current popularity for about 5 years, but I think 2008ish will be the beginning of a backlash.  Then they'll be a "alternative hip hop" revolution, and Hip Hop will have the same fate Modern Rock has now.

Yeah I'd say that a real noticable decline will begin in 2007 and the backlash against it will begin 2008/'09.

Yeah I'd say that a real noticable decline will begin in 2007 and the backlash against it will begin 2008/'09.


I think so too.

Eventually, something will come along that's so stupid it will wake people up.  Besides, Gen Z will probably have better taste than us anyways :)

What makes us have such bad taste, anyway?

What makes us have such bad taste, anyway?


Well, you and me don't, but Y in general likes dumb stuff like Emo, nu metal and glam rap.

I think it's never having been exposed to anything decent and never having had to distrust corporate America, so most of us just love what they throw at us. Nu metal was more early Gen-Y, it's not that popular anymore, but I remember when it was and I think it was just about the worst sheesh on the face of the planet.

I think it's never having been exposed to anything decent and never having had to distrust corporate America, so most of us just love what they throw at us. Nu metal was more early Gen-Y, it's not that popular anymore, but I remember when it was and I think it was just about the worst sheesh on the face of the planet.



Yeah Nu Metal hit it's peak in '98,'99 with Korn and Limp Bizkit.

Hip-hop is not gonna go anywhere for a while in the US anyway, rap hip-hop has probably weakened a bit, but pseudo hip-hop pop (like Promiscuous, Buttons, SexyBack, Show Stopper, etc) will continue to remain very popular along with today's hip-hop r&b. 3 things rule in the US right now: top 40/urban, adult contemporary, or country, that's what the overwhelming majority of the top 100 is made up of.

I don't care what the style is.  Whether it's Snoop Dogg or Wayne Newton, crap for the masses is here to stay!
:P

I don't care what the style is.  Whether it's Snoop Dogg or Wayne Newton, crap for the masses is here to stay!
:P


Thankfully I like crap music lol.  :D

Thankfully I like crap music lol.  :D

Can't spell "crap" without "rap"!

Thankfully I like crap music lol.  :D


I should say I like *some* crap music, it ain't all crap lol.

2004 was the peak of the rap era or whatever you want to call it, it has been on a slight decline since. It will take until around 2008 or 09 to really notice some real change though. Though I prefer a lot of the hip-hop from 2004 over stuff like Grillz and Laffy Taffy. D4L is probably one of the worst groups/artists ever in hip-hop. Nelly has sucked for a while now. Dem Franchize Boyz also are pretty annoying.


++ Yes, Indie / Independent Rock is huge in my city now.

We had a free dress day at school recently. Not one person had a t-shirt of a Rapper, or anything radically related to Rap. Instead there were alot of alternative Rock / Indie shirts i.e The Strokes, The Sounds, Sonic Youth and TBS. I also bought my ACDC shirt, and there were a couple of people with ACDC shirts, a Guns and Roses shirt, about 5 Nirvana tee's and alot of bands from years ago have had their names on tee's. In fact, even the real "cool" people here have eased back on the Rap scene. Most are listening to Pop Rock i.e Panic! At The Disco now. Either way, a decline in Rap will bring better music hopefully. And it's already happening slowly here, but I don't expect a big change to be seen until perhaps 2008.

Also on a big forum for an online game, mainly used by teenagers. Most people are listening to alternative rock, Indie i.e Interpol, Dirty Pretty Things, progressive rock i.e Dream Theater and Muse, and music from the past - Nirvana, ACDC and the Ramones. Hopefully, we're going to see some decent changes.

Also Emo was perfectly fine before it was so commercially known. It was when you heard it on the radio and the tv, and in your magazine and at the city that it became too big for it's own shoes.

Which, to me, is a good thing. All Rap takes is an IQ of four, lost self respect, an "I-don't-give-a-damn" attitude and alot of spit.

I don't think rap is declining, I just think Power pop/emo is inclining.

Listen...Rap itself is NOT DEAD. It's just that lowlifes, misguided inner city youth and Suburban kids trying to be "down" have made Mainstream or "Crap Rap" sickeningly popular. All the good rap is knocked off of the airwaves by  greedy radio stations or by the likes of Lil Jon, D4L, Young Joc and the fool who made "Chicken Noodle Soup".  Anything that makes money will be mercilessly shoved down our throats and the good (aka non-profitable) stuff gets pushed underground.

You come to New York and go to open mics and Undeground Clubs and you will think twice before even uttering that Rap is dying.

Rap dying? Not here!

Just go down any street (with a stereo blaring) or into any nightclub and it's all rap. The main pop station here is about 90% rap, 9% girl-pop (can't think of a better name for it) and 1% "rock" (ie: emo or nu-metal)

Whilst rock & girl-pop (the likes of Christina Aguilera, The Veronica's, Britney Spears etc) is making a slight incline in pop charts, rap is still #1. Personally, I don't care. I stopped caring long ago. The masses of popular music will always be horrendous. Thank god for underground & alternative music.

Listen...Rap itself is NOT DEAD. It's just that lowlifes, misguided inner city youth and Suburban kids trying to be "down" have made Mainstream or "Crap Rap" sickeningly popular. All the good rap is knocked off of the airwaves by  greedy radio stations or by the likes of Lil Jon, D4L, Young Joc and the fool who made "Chicken Noodle Soup".  Anything that makes money will be mercilessly shoved down our throats and the good (aka non-profitable) stuff gets pushed underground.

You come to New York and go to open mics and Undeground Clubs and you will think twice before even uttering that Rap is dying.


That Chicken Noodle Soup crap sucks so bad lol.  ;D

There's been a few good rap releases this year, Ridin' by Chamilionaire, the lyrics actually have a political meaning (the song is about racial profiling and police brutality) and it's not stupid like that Chain Hang Low garbage. Ludacris's album is really good. Lupe Fiasco is also great lesser known rapper who's lyrics actually have meaning (like Kanye). T.I. is decent as well.

I don't know, Rap is the same as what some people call "black people music". "black people music" will basically never end, there's always going to be something that will be reserved as "black people music".