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Subject: Engagement Rings? Old Fashioned and Sexist?

Written By: Lara Spencer on 11/21/05 at 2:50 pm

Yes or No to Engagement Rings?  :-[

Subject: Re: Engagement Rings? Old Fashioned and Sexist?

Written By: Comcast Sux on 11/21/05 at 3:30 pm

No.  When we got engaged, we took the money we would have spent on rings and a fancy wedding and bought a much nicer house in a much nicer part of town away from the riff and raff.  A wedding lasts a day, but a good real estate investment lasts a lifetime.  ;)

Subject: Re: Engagement Rings? Old Fashioned and Sexist?

Written By: barefootrobin on 11/21/05 at 3:44 pm

Yes.  Old Fashioned?  Yes.  Sexist?  No.  What, I'm going to accept a marriage proposal and partner up with someone who didn't even take the time to go and get a ring?  Eeeewwww!  There is nothing wrong with Tradition.

Subject: Re: Engagement Rings? Old Fashioned and Sexist?

Written By: LyricBoy on 11/21/05 at 6:24 pm

Lara,

I watch you every evening on The Insider.  Judging by that rock on your hand, you must not think they are old fashioned at all.

:P

Subject: Re: Engagement Rings? Old Fashioned and Sexist?

Written By: MaxwellSmart on 11/21/05 at 7:49 pm

The quality of engagement ring my fiance will get shall depend on how well she can operate that little crane at the arcade.
:D

I'd like to see more lasting engagements and marriages, rings or no rings.  That's how old-fashioned I am!

Now class rings, that's another story.  I don't see how anybody wears one of them without feeling like a big jerk.  If you do happen to be wearing a Josten's, lose it. 

I gave you my high school ring
At the root beer stand
We had a teen-age love baby
I thought it was sharp
It was really so grand...

--Frank Zappa
"Go Cry On Somebody Else's Shoulder"

Subject: Re: Engagement Rings? Old Fashioned and Sexist?

Written By: Lara Spencer on 11/21/05 at 7:54 pm

Lyric Boy, you are talking about my namesake, the TV ho.  The ring she wears on TV is a prop -- it just keeps her (supposed) male fans at bay.

And Maxwell Smart, as a matter of fact, I do own a very cute, very tasteful white gold Josten's pinky ring (no gemstone) to commemorate my cum laude graduation from the Spence School in Manhattan, thankyouverymuch.

Subject: Re: Engagement Rings? Old Fashioned and Sexist?

Written By: Teofilo on 11/21/05 at 11:22 pm

Marriage is old-fashioned.  It doesn't really work anymore.  The divorce rate is ridiculous.  It should stop.

Subject: Re: Engagement Rings? Old Fashioned and Sexist?

Written By: quirky_cat_girl on 11/21/05 at 11:23 pm

Yes..totally.

Subject: Re: Engagement Rings? Old Fashioned and Sexist?

Written By: quirky_cat_girl on 11/21/05 at 11:24 pm


Marriage is old-fashioned.

Subject: Re: Engagement Rings? Old Fashioned and Sexist?

Written By: karen on 11/22/05 at 3:47 am

We bought each other his and hers watches when we got engaged.

Subject: Re: Engagement Rings? Old Fashioned and Sexist?

Written By: LyricBoy on 11/22/05 at 5:34 am


Lyric Boy, you are talking about my namesake, ....The ring she wears on TV is a prop -- it just keeps her (supposed) male fans at bay.



Prop?  Supposed?  Oh, we are very REAL.  ;)

Subject: Re: Engagement Rings? Old Fashioned and Sexist?

Written By: Gis on 11/22/05 at 6:47 am

I have a beaut of a ring which I love.
I actually hate it when people get married but don't wear rings it seems to me like they are pretending they aren't really married just incase someone else is interested, like those guys you get in bars who take their ring off and start chatting up other girls..........

Subject: Re: Engagement Rings? Old Fashioned and Sexist?

Written By: jaytee on 11/22/05 at 7:20 am

I've got a beautiful engagement ring.  I really hate it when women upgrade their engagement rings when money is more plentiful.  I would never have my ring redesigned or replace it with a more expensive ring .... it's the ring Paul gave me in 1983 and it represents a lot.  He gave me a beautiful eternity ring after our firstborn.  I suppose I am old fashioned but what's wrong with that?  My mother has a ring made out of a shilling coin and a piece of toothbrush handle which my father made for her when he was in the army.

Subject: Re: Engagement Rings? Old Fashioned and Sexist?

Written By: danootaandme on 11/22/05 at 8:00 am


I've got a beautiful engagement ring.  I really hate it when women upgrade their engagement rings when money is more plentiful.  I would never have my ring redesigned or replace it with a more expensive ring .... it's the ring Paul gave me in 1983 and it represents a lot.  He gave me a beautiful eternity ring after our firstborn.  I suppose I am old fashioned but what's wrong with that?  My mother has a ring made out of a shilling coin and a piece of toothbrush handle which my father made for her when he was in the army.


You have the right idea. I don't think engagement rings are a bad thing.  It is a custom that people can perpetuate, or not, to their discretion.  The notion that it has to be a diamond is ludicrous, as is the notion that the bigger or more expensive the more he(or she) cares.  I would say that your mothers ring is more precious than anything anyone could buy at Shreve, Crump and Low.

Subject: Re: Engagement Rings? Old Fashioned and Sexist?

Written By: The Boer on 11/22/05 at 9:00 am

Buying a diamond supports all kinds of bad labor practices and human rites violations.  When you walk out of Tiffany with your fancy blue box feeling proud of yourself, you should really feel ashamed.

Subject: Re: Engagement Rings? Old Fashioned and Sexist?

Written By: CatwomanofV on 11/22/05 at 10:10 am

I didn't get an engagement ring because Carlos doesn't "believe" in diamonds-which is the one thing that we disagree on. I love diamonds because they are my birth stone. But, I do have the ring that REALLY matters-my wedding ring-just a band of gold, no ornaments, no inscription-just a plain ring with no beginning and no end-just like our love for each other.

But, if I were to have a diamond ring-I wouldn't want the stone to be any bigger than a 1/4 karat because I have such small hands and anything bigger would look very gawdy on me.




Cat

Subject: Re: Engagement Rings? Old Fashioned and Sexist?

Written By: Mushroom on 11/22/05 at 2:13 pm

I totally believe in both marriage and egagement.  I also believe in the rings and what they represent.

And to be honest, I think that if I had not given either my ex or my late fiancee' a ring, they would have questioned my seriousness.  And being willing to spend the money shows that you are serious about the commitment.

When I got my ex her ring, it was nothing special.  Just a simple wedding set with a small diamond in the center.  In fact, to show that the marriage was final, she sent the rings to me after she had cut them in half with tin snips.

For my late fiancee, I was lucky enough to be working at a pawn shop at the time.  A set I saw caught my eye, and it happened to be the perfect size for her.  It was an antique set (approx 80-100 years old), with a small diamond in the center, and the base of the stone was surrounded with either white gold or platinum.  It was a very petite set, which worked very well.  The set is being saved, so our oldest son can give it to his beloved when the time comes.

I know there are some who are saying that marriage is old-fashioned.  If that is the case for you, fine.  Don't get married, just shack up with your partner (or partners).  But please, do not dispariage those of us who believe in tradition, perminance, and stability.

Subject: Re: Engagement Rings? Old Fashioned and Sexist?

Written By: Teofilo on 11/22/05 at 2:20 pm



I know there are some who are saying that marriage is old-fashioned.

Subject: Re: Engagement Rings? Old Fashioned and Sexist?

Written By: Teofilo on 11/22/05 at 2:23 pm

And as for your "(or partners)" comment:

like if I don't accept your lifestyle of marriage and divorce and buying rings and cutting them up and giving them away, I must be some loose person who has more than one partner.  You are such hypocrasy and fake holiness.

Subject: Re: Engagement Rings? Old Fashioned and Sexist?

Written By: danootaandme on 11/22/05 at 2:33 pm




I didn't get an engagement ring because Carlos doesn't "believe" in diamonds-which is the one thing that we disagree on. I love diamonds because they are my birth stone.




Cat




Jakes birthstone was the diamond until I looked up and found that there is more than one stone for
April.  I am with Carlos on this, not a cent to deBeers and the false market that they have created. For Wiccans the April birthstone is Mother of Pearl.  The traditional birthstone would be Sapphire.  I have a
mothers ring with Sapphire for Jake. The diamond is the modern age birthstone.

Subject: Re: Engagement Rings? Old Fashioned and Sexist?

Written By: barefootrobin on 11/22/05 at 2:56 pm


Tipical family values hipocrasy.

Subject: Re: Engagement Rings? Old Fashioned and Sexist?

Written By: danootaandme on 11/22/05 at 3:03 pm

^

What are you two going on about.  This was a topic about the giving of rings and you have turned it into a tirade about the government.  A bit far afield.

Subject: Re: Engagement Rings? Old Fashioned and Sexist?

Written By: barefootrobin on 11/22/05 at 3:06 pm


^

What are you two going on about.

Subject: Re: Engagement Rings? Old Fashioned and Sexist?

Written By: Teofilo on 11/22/05 at 3:16 pm

everybody needs to mind there own businesses.  I state an opinion that insults nobody and this person starts insults me about "shacking up" with many women like he knows about my life.  It is none of his business nohow.

Subject: Re: Engagement Rings? Old Fashioned and Sexist?

Written By: barefootrobin on 11/22/05 at 3:21 pm


everybody needs to mind there own businesses.

Subject: Re: Engagement Rings? Old Fashioned and Sexist?

Written By: danootaandme on 11/22/05 at 3:38 pm


everybody needs to mind there own businesses.  I state an opinion that insults nobody and this person starts insults me about "shacking up" with many women like he knows about my life.  It is none of his business nohow.


???
A message board is not the place to be if you want to be somewhere where people mind their own business.

Subject: Re: Engagement Rings? Old Fashioned and Sexist?

Written By: Teofilo on 11/22/05 at 3:46 pm


???
A message board is not the place to be if you want to be somewhere where people mind their own business.



This from is from troublemaker No. 2 telling people they are off the topic. 

Subject: Re: Engagement Rings? Old Fashioned and Sexist?

Written By: barefootrobin on 11/22/05 at 3:50 pm


This from is from troublemaker No. 2 telling people they are off the topic.

Subject: Re: Engagement Rings? Old Fashioned and Sexist?

Written By: Teofilo on 11/22/05 at 4:03 pm


Who is trouble maker #1?

Subject: Re: Engagement Rings? Old Fashioned and Sexist?

Written By: barefootrobin on 11/22/05 at 4:18 pm

So anyway, I really love my engagement.  A friend of my husbands family is a retired jeweler and he has made all the wedding rings for 2 generations.  I did not choose my ring, nor did I see it prior to the proposal.  It's beautiful, I don't know how many Karats it is, I don't know what it's appraised at, it's not to big and not to small.  But the whole setting is quite pleasing and did I mention that I love it?  I also believe in being married.  It's probably the most difficult and character building project 2 people can take on, I expect that there will be time I can't stand my husband and I know that there are times I love him so much there aren't proper words to describe how I feel.  I respect people who get married and stay married and within my peer group we all (couples) try to support each other through the hard times to ensure that we can all stay together as well.

Subject: Re: Engagement Rings? Old Fashioned and Sexist?

Written By: Mushroom on 11/22/05 at 5:09 pm


Tipical family values hipocrasy.

Subject: Re: Engagement Rings? Old Fashioned and Sexist?

Written By: Teofilo on 11/22/05 at 5:57 pm


Look, you do not know me.

Subject: Re: Engagement Rings? Old Fashioned and Sexist?

Written By: CatwomanofV on 11/22/05 at 6:16 pm


Jakes birthstone was the diamond until I looked up and found that there is more than one stone for
April.  I am with Carlos on this, not a cent to deBeers and the false market that they have created. For Wiccans the April birthstone is Mother of Pearl.  The traditional birthstone would be Sapphire.  I have a
mothers ring with Sapphire for Jake. The diamond is the modern age birthstone.



I know, you would think that I would know this. But, it is true that you learn something everyday. Thanks for the info.  Carlos did buy me a sapphire a few years back and told me at the time that it WASN'T an engagement ring. After we got ingaged, then he said that that ring he got (which is several sizes too big) was my engagement ring.  ;D :D




Cat



Cat

Subject: Re: Engagement Rings? Old Fashioned and Sexist?

Written By: danootaandme on 11/23/05 at 5:58 am



I know, you would think that I would know this. But, it is true that you learn something everyday. Thanks for the info.  Carlos did buy me a sapphire a few years back and told me at the time that it WASN'T an engagement ring. After we got ingaged, then he said that that ring he got (which is several sizes too big) was my engagement ring.  ;D :D



Cat


Now this is a whole separate issue.  I would say he owes you a nice new sapphire.  One that fits.  Best thing to do is to go, pick it out, buy it, wrap it, open it up on Christmas Dayand say "Thank you honey, how did you know"  ;D

Subject: Re: Engagement Rings? Old Fashioned and Sexist?

Written By: CatwomanofV on 11/23/05 at 10:56 am


Now this is a whole separate issue.  I would say he owes you a nice new sapphire.  One that fits.  Best thing to do is to go, pick it out, buy it, wrap it, open it up on Christmas Dayand say "Thank you honey, how did you know"  ;D




Only if I can use HIS credit card to pay for it.  ;D ;D ;D




Cat

Subject: Re: Engagement Rings? Old Fashioned and Sexist?

Written By: danootaandme on 11/23/05 at 4:10 pm




Only if I can use HIS credit card to pay for it.  ;D ;D ;D




Cat


That goes without saying!  ;)

Subject: Re: Engagement Rings? Old Fashioned and Sexist?

Written By: STAR70 on 11/23/05 at 5:46 pm

why do we need marriage at all?

Subject: Re: Engagement Rings? Old Fashioned and Sexist?

Written By: MaxwellSmart on 11/23/05 at 10:07 pm


why do we need marriage at all?

You don't if you don't want to make babies, which I most certainly do not!

Subject: Re: Engagement Rings? Old Fashioned and Sexist?

Written By: Dagwood on 11/23/05 at 10:22 pm

I love the idea of an engagement ring.  I don't think it has to be diamonds, though.  When I was married he gave me a black hills gold ring.  I loved it because it was from him.  He chose it on his own. 

If I were to get married again, I would want a simple engagement ring.  A solitaire with a small diamond or a ring like the one I bought a couple of years ago.  It is a gold ring with a heart shaped purple stone called Mystic Fire.  The ring cost $100.  IMO, an engagement ring is a symbol period.  I don't think it has to be expensive.  It is the thought not the money.  I always thought the 2 months salary rule was dumb. 

As for marriage.  I am all for it.  I know it doesn't always work, heck, I am proof.  I still dream of finding Mr. Right, though.  I would love to get married again, except this time I would take it slower and hopefully it would last for the rest of my life.

Subject: Re: Engagement Rings? Old Fashioned and Sexist?

Written By: danootaandme on 11/24/05 at 7:43 am


why do we need marriage at all?


I wouldn't mind getting married, It's the living together part that has kept me single.  The Queen must
have her own castle    ;)

Subject: Re: Engagement Rings? Old Fashioned and Sexist?

Written By: CatwomanofV on 11/24/05 at 11:40 am


I love the idea of an engagement ring.  I don't think it has to be diamonds, though.  When I was married he gave me a black hills gold ring.  I loved it because it was from him.  He chose it on his own. 

If I were to get married again, I would want a simple engagement ring.  A solitaire with a small diamond or a ring like the one I bought a couple of years ago.  It is a gold ring with a heart shaped purple stone called Mystic Fire.  The ring cost $100.  IMO, an engagement ring is a symbol period.  I don't think it has to be expensive.  It is the thought not the money.  I always thought the 2 months salary rule was dumb. 

As for marriage.  I am all for it.  I know it doesn't always work, heck, I am proof.  I still dream of finding Mr. Right, though.  I would love to get married again, except this time I would take it slower and hopefully it would last for the rest of my life.



I know what you mean. I lived alone for many, many years after my first marrige ended. I thought about getting married again but wasn't going to get married for the sake of getting married again. And I always dreamed of "Mr. Right" and to my surprised, he finally came into my life.  ;D ;D  We didn't HAVE to get married. We were perfectly happy living together-but decided to get married for many reasons-some were financal. Does it make a differance? Not too sure. I don't think we could love each other any more than we already do. But in some ways, I think it does make a differance. I am very proud to be his wife-even though after two years, it still floors me when I hear him call me that or when people call me "Mrs. Carlos". 




Cat

Subject: Re: Engagement Rings? Old Fashioned and Sexist?

Written By: Don Carlos on 11/25/05 at 2:00 pm



I know, you would think that I would know this. But, it is true that you learn something everyday. Thanks for the info.  Carlos did buy me a sapphire a few years back and told me at the time that it WASN'T an engagement ring. After we got ingaged, then he said that that ring he got (which is several sizes too big) was my engagement ring.  ;D :D




Cat



Cat


Yes, yes, I am a cheap SOB  ;)





  We didn't HAVE to get married. We were perfectly happy living together-but decided to get married for many reasons-some were financal. Does it make a differance? Not too sure. I don't think we could love each other any more than we already do. But in some ways, I think it does make a differance. I am very proud to be his wife-even though after two years, it still floors me when I hear him call me that or when people call me "Mrs. Carlos". 




Cat


After my X left the marriage, some years before the divorce, and I had other disappointing relationships, I was "gun shy", so it took a good deal of thought and time for me to pop the question to Cat.  Only later did i discover that there were tax advantages beyond thoase we already enjoyed.  Emotionally I think it does make a difference too.  So, so far so good. :)  :)  :)

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