This came to mind after the constant 'Amber Alerts' given (at least in the LA area)...

Do we know how many of these cases are 'estranged boyfriends','ex-husbands', 'disgruntled lovers', doing the swiping of the kids and/or adults on the loose?

I just feel PEOPLE SHOULD LOOK AT WHO THEY LET NEAR THEM instead of being part of someones 'Jiffy Pop' personality disorder and exploding into a kidnapping fit!

There are those missing of loving concern i.e. Alzheimer patients who wander off, or missing persons who have no explanation for disappearing..but time after time..we hear the result of the story: someones ex-boyfriend, babysitter, or roommate took off with someone.

Why do WE need to look for them..it's an issue between the two of you to begin with!

We'd love to find missing people but because YOU happen to be related to a 'buzz' head who wants revenge, that's YOUR problem! >:( 

This came to mind after the constant 'Amber Alerts' given (at least in the LA area)...

Do we know how many of these cases are 'estranged boyfriends','ex-husbands', 'disgruntled lovers', doing the swiping of the kids and/or adults on the loose?

I just feel PEOPLE SHOULD LOOK AT WHO THEY LET NEAR THEM instead of being part of someones 'Jiffy Pop' personality disorder and exploding into a kidnapping fit!

There are those missing of loving concern i.e. Alzheimer patients who wander off, or missing persons who have no explanation for disappearing..but time after time..we hear the result of the story: someones ex-boyfriend, babysitter, or roommate took off with someone.

Why do WE need to look for them..it's an issue between the two of you to begin with!

We'd love to find missing people but because YOU happen to be related to a 'buzz' head who wants revenge, that's YOUR problem! >:( 


So we're not supposed to keep our eyes open for kids who have been abducted by fruitcakes just because it was their parent's fault for associating with the wrong people? Nuh uh. I don't think so. Maybe you want to climb into your little hole and ignore the innocents who are suffering for something they didn't bring upon themselves, but I won't. It doesn't matter who a child was kidnapped by. If they are in danger, you keep a look out for them.

a$$hat.

This came to mind after the constant 'Amber Alerts' given (at least in the LA area)...

Do we know how many of these cases are 'estranged boyfriends','ex-husbands', 'disgruntled lovers', doing the swiping of the kids and/or adults on the loose?

I just feel PEOPLE SHOULD LOOK AT WHO THEY LET NEAR THEM instead of being part of someones 'Jiffy Pop' personality disorder and exploding into a kidnapping fit!

There are those missing of loving concern i.e. Alzheimer patients who wander off, or missing persons who have no explanation for disappearing..but time after time..we hear the result of the story: someones ex-boyfriend, babysitter, or roommate took off with someone.

Why do WE need to look for them..it's an issue between the two of you to begin with!

We'd love to find missing people but because YOU happen to be related to a 'buzz' head who wants revenge, that's YOUR problem! >:( 


I'm sorry, but that's a pretty ignorant attitude to have.

I'm sorry, but that's a pretty ignorant attitude to have.
Ha, no kidding. I find it odd they post this under "guest" as well... ???

I'm wiling to modify if innocent 'CHILDREN' are the victims..but like the runaway bride, if MY tax money is being spent to find the kids that were part of a family dipute..you pay for it after it is over.

Time to take responsibilty for running around with the ex con or nut job that snaps..gee, didn't see it coming...I thought he would just 'beat me' ..know your partners is what makes up the relationship.  ???

Everything is not so black and white.

For those not familiar with the recent police encounter which a baby was killed in LA when her 'drug crazed' father used her as a sheild (they are trying to determine if the police bullets killed her or the fathers...the CHIEF OF POLICE BRATTON made the statement to which my earlier comments concur...THAT BABY DIED BECAUSE OF THE FATHERS ACTIONS!

HE IS TO BLAME FOR THIS..{so I state in connection with the amber kidnappings, the guardian of the missing child is to blame if anything were to happen to the child thanks to them running around with an unstable potential lunatic}

If the signs are there i.e. it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, THEY MAY BE A DUCK!

Just as I may be the victim of a crazed neighbor loon who shouts and screams when people walk by the house..if I live next to them I can only take the blame for not leaving the situation or changing it. That's all to that.      :-X

I'm wiling to modify if innocent 'CHILDREN' are the victims..but like the runaway bride, if MY tax money is being spent to find the kids that were part of a family dipute..you pay for it after it is over.

Time to take responsibilty for running around with the ex con or nut job that snaps..gee, didn't see it coming...I thought he would just 'beat me' ..know your partners is what makes up the relationship.  ???


Uhhh....they don't use the Amber Alert for adults. It's for children.


For those not familiar with the recent police encounter which a baby was killed in LA when her 'drug crazed' father used her as a sheild (they are trying to determine if the police bullets killed her or the fathers...the CHIEF OF POLICE BRATTON made the statement to which my earlier comments concur...THAT BABY DIED BECAUSE OF THE FATHERS ACTIONS!

No, the baby died because the cops were trigger happy.

{so I state in connection with the amber kidnappings, the guardian of the missing child is to blame if anything were to happen to the child thanks to them running around with an unstable potential lunatic}

That's not what you said in the first post. You basically stated that you wouldn't look for people who had been kidnapped because of someone else's actions. Make up your mind.

If the signs are there i.e. it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, THEY MAY BE A DUCK!

Quack.

Just as I may be the victim of a crazed neighbor loon who shouts and screams when people walk by the house..if I live next to them I can only take the blame for not leaving the situation or changing it. That's all to that. :-X


Big difference between someone being stupid in a neighborhood and somebody getting kidnapped for someone else's actions.

Uhhh....they don't use the Amber Alert for adults. It's for children.


I was going to point that out, but you beat me to it.  :)

Here is the most common definition of what an "Amber Alert" is:

Although each regional AMBER Alert sets the criteria for activation, most alerts follow the following guidelines:

1.  The missing child is 17 years of age or younger and the law enforcement agency believes the child has been abducted.
2.  The agency believes the missing child is in danger of serious bodily harm or death.
3.  A law enforcement investigation has taken place that verified the abduction or eliminated alternative explanations.
4.  Sufficient information is available to disseminate to the public that could assist in locating the child, suspect, and/or the suspect's vehicle.


No, the baby died because the cops were trigger happy.


Actually, all reports I have heard and read, the father is the one that opened fire first, and that is after he threatened many members of his family.  Here is part of an article on this tragedy:

Pena was intoxicated and armed with a 9 mm handgun when he threatened to kill his wife, teenage stepdaughter and toddler in the hours before the shootout.

Nearly two hours later, the man's 17-year-old stepdaughter called police from Pena's car business to report that she was being threatened. When officers arrived, Pena opened fire, police said.

During the ensuing standoff, Pena "indicated clearly he was not going to go to jail" and shot again at officers and the teen as she escaped, Bratton said. The girl, whose name was not released, told police Pena had also threatened to kill his 19-month-old daughter.

WHen the police arrived, they were shot at.  They did not fire back, but tried to talk to him.  It was when he opened fire a second time (wounding one of the cops) that they finally returned fire.

And this is a tragedy, but what should they have done?  Let him continue to shoot, possibly hitting more cops and bystanders?  Myself, I see this as a classic case of "Suicide By Cop", except he took his daughter with him.  And until the autopsy is released, the cops should not be blamed at all.  At this moment, for all we know Mr. Peña shot her BEFORE he confronted the cops a second time.  RIght now, anything along this line is pure speculation.

so the public is supposed to sit back and not be concerned about missing children, etc?  Thank goodness for observant people who have helped rescue many children who were abducted by sickos....if it had not been for them, watching out, etc....the children who were rescued might be dead.



Erin

For those not familiar with the recent police encounter which a baby was killed in LA when her 'drug crazed' father used her as a sheild (they are trying to determine if the police bullets killed her or the fathers...the CHIEF OF POLICE BRATTON made the statement to which my earlier comments concur...THAT BABY DIED BECAUSE OF THE FATHERS ACTIONS!

HE IS TO BLAME FOR THIS..{so I state in connection with the amber kidnappings, the guardian of the missing child is to blame if anything were to happen to the child thanks to them running around with an unstable potential lunatic}

If the signs are there i.e. it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, THEY MAY BE A DUCK!

Just as I may be the victim of a crazed neighbor loon who shouts and screams when people walk by the house..if I live next to them I can only take the blame for not leaving the situation or changing it. That's all to that.      :-X


Your arguments do not make sense.

I added the situation, mother/girl with child lives with kooky boyfriend boyfriend gets in fight with her, steals kid..or ex husband upset with verdict takes kids..yes. kids are the victims but when many of the perpetrators are people with evil intentions,let's go after THEM..or how that took place...A PERFECT LEGITIMATE ARGUEMENT..

I never raised a hand to anyone that got me upset let alone stole something from them...but if people wish to relate with those who do..then there are consequences...

When driving through the states, I thought there were instances which adults were missing and 'some sort of alert' was listed on illuminated highway signs.

Fine keep the AMBER ALERT to save kids but PLease don't bring a fox into the henhouse and (familial speaking) we won't have to send these alerts...

Kidnappings are different..like the IDAHO case..that was worth getting us all on the look out.


No sense..? guy with irate temper prone to violence+ mother with kid= potential hazard  YOU DO THE MATH! 

I was going to point that out, but you beat me to it.  :)

Glad someone else caught it as well. :)

At this moment, for all we know Mr. Peña shot her BEFORE he confronted the cops a second time.  RIght now, anything along this line is pure speculation.


Nope, twas the cops. They just released that information. I'm still very angry about this, but you did raise a good point about him getting even more nutso and opening fire on a bigger crowd. It's just sad that the little girl had to be a victim. I hate when cr*p like this happens.  :\'(