What? Immunisation causes SIDS now? Is there anything it doesn't cause? Diphtheria maybe? Tetanus? Polio? But we don't need to protect our kids from thoses diseases, because they only occur in the Third World, and measles isn't very harmful.



Those diseases rarely show up in first ot second world countries because of the immunizations.
If we stopped all immunizations, they will be seen here again.
Measles can cause death.


http://www.cdc.gov/nip/diseases/measles/faqs.htm



Why is vaccination necessary?

Before the measles vaccine became available, there were approximately 450,000 measles cases and an average of 450 measles-associated deaths were reported each year. Widespread use of measles vaccine has led to a greater than 99% reduction in measles cases in the U.S. compared with the pre-vaccine era.

However, measles is common in other countries where it spreads rapidly and can be easily brought into the U.S. If vaccinations were stopped, measles would return to pre-vaccine levels in the U.S. and hundreds of people would die from measles-related illnesses.

Is measles still a problem in the United States?

We still see measles among visitors to the U.S. and among U.S. travelers returning from other countries. The measles viruses these travelers bring into our country sometimes causes outbreaks. However, because most people in the U.S. have been vaccinated, these outbreaks are usually small.

Measles vaccination in the U.S. has decreased the number of cases to the lowest point ever reported. Widespread use of the measles vaccine has led to a greater than 99% reduction in measles compared with the pre-vaccine era when approximately 450,000 cases and 450 deaths were reported each year.

If the chance of the diseases is so low, why do I need the vaccine?

It is true that vaccination has enabled us to reduce measles and most other vaccine-preventable diseases to very low levels in the United States. However, measles is still very common

I found the article you are referring to.

http://www.whale.to/vaccines/scheibner1.html

I wouldn't listen to it, one part they are even implying that "Shaken Baby Syndrome" is also caused be vaccinations.



2. SIDS is a rather rubbery diagnosis and the figures can be and are manipulated. However, the total infant deaths are a bit more difficult to manipulate. The definition of SIDS is a death of a child unexpected by history and with insufficient determination of cause of death. So, it depends on the degree of damage whether the infant death will be diagnosed as Sudden Infant Death Syndrome or pneumonitis, bronchiolitis, brain edema etc. With the increasing number of vaccines administered as part of the "routine" now, we shall see increasing numbers of babies with very serious reactions to vaccines and they will not be diagnosed as SIDS. We already see it in the epidemic of Shaken Baby Syndrome, when babies develop serious brain and other haemorrhages and die or remain seriously damaged and the parents are being accused of causing it by allegedly shaking their babies to death (Scheibner 1998).




This of course is not the only information on Japan's statistics upon changing the immunization ages, I just quick referenced it.  There are many cases of aspergers and autism in my family (including my son) so we have chosen to not immunize our babies prior to age 2 (among many other preventative steps) - we simply feel there is an intolerence to chemicals that runs rampant through our family and unless science tells us otherwise, we will note all research, opinions and statistics that might help prevent asperger's or autism.......

Those diseases rarely show up in first ot second world countries because of the immunizations.
If we stopped all immunizations, they will be seen here again.
Measles can cause death.




I was being facetious. I support immunization. Both my children were immunized, as was I. So was my brother, my wife, his wife, my wife's sister and all their kids. That's 15 people that I know personally. Not a single one of them is autistic. If autism was this terrible epidemic that was caused by vaccines, you would expect that at least one of those people would have it. None of them do. Also, that baloney about the relationship between immunization and SIDS is hearsay.

Immunization protects us from diphtheria, polio, tetanus and whooping cough. It also lessens the severity of mumps and measles and helps prevent meningitis. This is a known fact. That it causes autism and SIDS is unproven. It is hearsay. There is no proof. The very fact that it has not had a single side-effect on any one in my immediate family, nor among more than 30 other people that I know personally, is proof enough for me that immunization isn't dangerous.

I was being facetious. I support immunization. Both my children were immunized, as was I. So was my brother, my wife, his wife, my wife's sister and all their kids. That's 15 people that I know personally. Not a single one of them is autistic. If autism was this terrible epidemic that was caused by vaccines, you would expect that at least one of those people would have it. None of them do. Also, that baloney about the relationship between immunization and SIDS is hearsay.

Immunization protects us from diphtheria, polio, tetanus and whooping cough. It also lessens the severity of mumps and measles and helps prevent meningitis. This is a known fact. That it causes autism and SIDS is unproven. It is hearsay. There is no proof. The very fact that it has not had a single side-effect on any one in my immediate family, nor among more than 30 other people that I know personally, is proof enough for me that immunization isn't dangerous.


Reasearch is never based on hearsay - the causes of Autism and SIDS are suspected and varied and the research with regard to immunization and the direct link to both is ongoing.  In other words, there is more than one casue.  Despite the Aspergers in my family I am pro immunization, just not at such a young age.  With regard to the correlation between SIDS and early immunization, it was statistics that prompted the research, not hearsay.  Of the 30 people that you know are there any learning disabilities?  Food intolerances?  If so, do you know the causes?

Powerslave, i just have to say this, you are wrong. i know that is a bit extreme but it is true.

Thimerosal is still in vaccines. infact it is still in common ones like flu and tetanus shots. not only that but pregnant women are encouraged to take the flu vaccines which would diseminate the mercury across the placenta and into the fetus, which cant be good. on top of that, if the mercury were not removed, would you know? did you personally test each and every vaccine you or your family has taken? not only that but have you ever seen the similarities between mercury poisoning and autism? they are virtually identical. it is as simple as linking food poisoning to a bad pork chop you ate.

Just because no one in your family has had a reaction to the vaccines does not mean anything. other people can, and do have reactions and when they do, they can be severe. since the amount of shots that are required has gone up, so has autism rates. i do realize some of that is due to a wider criteria of autism, but that doesnt explain how 1:150 people have autism. 1 in 150 people cant function normally in society, something has to cause it, it cant all be wished away by genetic factors or by blaming parents (which was the original theory for autism). something environmental has to be causing this period.

on another note, the vaccine-autism link has not actually been disproved like so many governmental officials have said, certain government sponsored studies found no evidence to support the theory, but having no proof does not disprove a theory, thats why it is a theory. and if it were proven that vaccines caused autism, the government would stand to lose alot of money, like supporting over 2 million people with free healthcare and services for life, as well as a method proven to prevent deadly or harmful diseases. the only reason the governemtn settled the case of the vaccine causing autism in the POLING case was that the father was a neurologist and the mother was a lawyer and nurse and they documented their child's health.

Powerslave, i just have to say this, you are wrong. i know that is a bit extreme but it is true.

Thimerosal is still in vaccines. infact it is still in common ones like flu and tetanus shots. not only that but pregnant women are encouraged to take the flu vaccines which would diseminate the mercury across the placenta and into the fetus, which cant be good. on top of that, if the mercury were not removed, would you know? did you personally test each and every vaccine you or your family has taken? not only that but have you ever seen the similarities between mercury poisoning and autism? they are virtually identical. it is as simple as linking food poisoning to a bad pork chop you ate.

Just because no one in your family has had a reaction to the vaccines does not mean anything. other people can, and do have reactions and when they do, they can be severe. since the amount of shots that are required has gone up, so has autism rates. i do realize some of that is due to a wider criteria of autism, but that doesnt explain how 1:150 people have autism. 1 in 150 people cant function normally in society, something has to cause it, it cant all be wished away by genetic factors or by blaming parents (which was the original theory for autism). something environmental has to be causing this period.

on another note, the vaccine-autism link has not actually been disproved like so many governmental officials have said, certain government sponsored studies found no evidence to support the theory, but having no proof does not disprove a theory, thats why it is a theory. and if it were proven that vaccines caused autism, the government would stand to lose alot of money, like supporting over 2 million people with free healthcare and services for life, as well as a method proven to prevent deadly or harmful diseases. the only reason the governemtn settled the case of the vaccine causing autism in the POLING case was that the father was a neurologist and the mother was a lawyer and nurse and they documented their child's health.


Let me ask you this question.  Members of the Amish community do not permit their children to be vaccinated.  Yet, they have one of the highest percentages of children with Autism in the U.S.

Autism is also a catch all phrase.  There are at least a dozen forms of it.  Most forms of Autism are mild and the person still functions very well.

Anyone who takes the antivaccination quacks seriously, and doubly so if they're getting their "medical" information from blogs, should add Respectful Insolence to their blog rotation, if for nothing else than an alternative point of view.

The author is one of the best debunkers of pseudoscience and quackery I've ever read.  You don't have to have a Ph.D. in organic chemistry to understand him (well, for some of his posts, you probably do), but the writing is clear, concise, and his wit is razor-sharp when it comes to skewering the purveyors of the woo.

Reynolds, where did you get that information? i can not find ANY information that has said that the Amish have higher rates of autism anywhere! in fact, all i can find are rates ranging from 1:10000 to 1:20000

im curious to your source of information as to Amish having the highest rate of autism.

Reynolds, where did you get that information? i can not find ANY information that has said that the Amish have higher rates of autism anywhere! in fact, all i can find are rates ranging from 1:10000 to 1:20000

im curious to your source of information as to Amish having the highest rate of autism.


I'm from Lancaster County and I know people in the medical field who work specifically with the Amish. Look into research done at Millersville University if you will.

did you mean this report done in Lancaster?:

http://www.nomercury.org/science/documents/Articles/UPI-The_Age_of_Autism-Mercury_and_the_Amish_5-21-05.pdf

the one that specifically states that autism among the amish is extremely low, as little as 1% of the population?

did you mean this report done in Lancaster?:

http://www.nomercury.org/science/documents/Articles/UPI-The_Age_of_Autism-Mercury_and_the_Amish_5-21-05.pdf

the one that specifically states that autism among the amish is extremely low, as little as 1% of the population?


No, that's not the one I meant.  Did it say Millersville University?

then what report? i can not find it on their site...

A very heavy genetic component would seem to present itself in any study of the Amish.

They say you can have mercury but at small dosages. Like a lot of fish like tuna and sushi have mercury and people say not to eat a lot of it because it's not good.

A very heavy genetic component would seem to present itself in any study of the Amish.


Which is why people who want to study rare genetic disorders come to Lancaster.  The gene pool is a small puddle.

then what report? i can not find it on their site...


You might have to go to their research archives in person. ;D  Oh very well, I'm going to be near there this week.  I'll see if they're willing to copy it.  The reason why it may not be on the website is because it would be disrespectful to the Amish Community.

You might have to go to their research archives in person. ;D  Oh very well, I'm going to be near there this week.  I'll see if they're willing to copy it.  The reason why it may not be on the website is because it would be disrespectful to the Amish Community.


The Amish have the intarwebs!?!?!  :o

The Amish have the intarwebs!?!?!  :o


No they don't.  However because the Amish are a religion and very private ya gotta be careful what ya do.  All those photos of Amish you see in travel guides were taken without their permission.  Pictures are graven images big no no.

Ah yes, I have refrained from taking pictures of the Amish after I learned that it wasn't nice.

Ah yes, I have refrained from taking pictures of the Amish after I learned that it wasn't nice.




And for God sake man . . . don't mention weird Al's Amish Paradise. ;D